russian complicity in the attack makes no sense to me. the very existence of the pipelines was an incentive for Germany (and by extension other countries) to seek some settlement with russia and ease the energy crisis. assuming the pipelines can't be easily repaired, that leverage is vastly reduced now.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. What better reason for USA to covertly sabotage the pipelines, thus removing any chance that Germany/EU would say "enough" and reach a settlement with Russia. Folks, no matter what nation you live in, consider the possibility that your rulers have hidden agendas that appear to not include your best interests, or even your safety anymore.
The "American" government is now a skinsuit occupied by something non-American, too powerful and sinister to openly name. But they/it evidently despises the European Peoples.
I wish this were true. The Biden Regime more than just non-American, it is anti-western civilization. Many so called Americans are 100% behind pedoJoe.
Not only do Americans have to wake up to the value of the America First Movement, but so do all the people of the world. It is the only stop-gate between freedom and global tyranny.
Yes, the skinsuit is occupied by anti-western civilization entities (apparently people, but they hate us). They destroyed the original America First movement (of the 1930s-40s) that was based out of the Midwest (the manufacturing center of America), and later destroyed US Manufacturing as part of their scorched-earth war on us. They've hated us for a long time. They funded and orchestrated Bolshevism, Pornography, destruction of the Family, etc. Our People have been losing for long, long time. But the information landscape has changed. They've awakened a distributed, amorphous resistance gives me reason to believe we WILL prevail: https://heroesvsvillains.substack.com/p/they-awakened-their-nemesis
I really want to know what exactly is in that skinsuit. I want to see my enemy finally in its pure form. All this hiding and pretending and lying. Show yourself you monster! Maybe we will see soon!!
There certainly are many inside the skinsuit who claim that label. And there are many who claim that label who are not inside the skinsuit. As a group, they do seem to be "over-represented" among those obviously participating in and celebrating the victimization of Westernkind. Some say it's related to stories they say that their god tells them that they must exterminate and erase "Amalek", "Edom", or somesuch. As an outsider, it's hard for me to sort out the truth of these claims.
what you fail to see maybe on purpose is the gentiles that side with the jews have been bought off by them. no better example then the saudis and all the other dupe arabs that signed the abraham accords which is pissraels attempt at creating a mideast NATO to fight Iran. then look at the palestine authority headed by Abass. their job is to provide security for israel in the west bank as well as rat on their own people so israel can go in kill or arrest them. then look at rabbi trump servant of israel
Australia is far more China's lapdog than anyone else's today. And they've become really skilled little authoritarians with their COVID live-fire practice.
Expect Oz to import a few more Chinese politicians into their government in the next few years and the annexation will be over soon.
I wonder if it would make sense for China to sabotage the pipelines. This would force Russian to sell more oil and lower prices to China, and it would draw Russia towards China economically and away from Europe.
I think NATO has the motive while Russia doesn't, but to be fair, Russia could have put some kind of autonomous crawler into the pipe from their end and then made it explode.
That's an interesting possibility. It seems that rather than crawling, the explosive device could flow along with the pipeline contents.
I don't see how Germany can continue to align with NATO on the Ukraine conflict if it means their people can't heat their homes. It won't serve NATO's interests if Germany bails-out.
That's a good point. I don't know if China would have the capability or not.
I don't think the US would do this, because it puts pressure on Europe to reach a peaceful settlement with Russian in Ukraine so the pipelines there can function.
We'll see how popular "Putin Apologism" becomes when thousands across Europe die of cold this winter, while the European economy collapses.
Personally, I blame Biden. He had the power to prevent this war, and continues to refuse to even negotiate for peace. Meanwhile in the USA, we've spent an amount that would have added a lane to our entire interstate highway system, on this useless effort. Even if the USA gets its goal of a "permanently weakened Russia," (which I doubt is likely), how exactly do we gain from this? It's hard to imagine that a "permanently weakened Russia" is going to want to turn the taps back on any time soon.
Meanwhile, apparently a big chunk of Russian oil production flows due to the now-halted technical expertise of firms like Shell and Halliburton. When those flows stop, oil will be closer to $200 than to $100.
American foreign policy here seems to be a classic case of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Cheers,
Kim G
Roma Sur, CDMX
Where at least one can get through winter without heat, though it's a bit chilly.
This is spot on: "Personally, I blame Biden." He is a radical with dementia.
But do remember when the German delegation to the UN laughed at Trump when he said Germany was idiotic for depending on Russia for energy? Soon enough the Germans will see the truth. It might be too late for them, but it isn't took late for America.
Of course it is reasonable to blame Biden as long as we recognize he is part of a band of kleptocrats known as the WEF. Wish this was limited to USA hegemony and corporate criminals. Unfortunately it now encompasses nearly all nations. We are going to have to beat all of these terrorists.
Unfortunately what I’ve gleaned over the last few years is that there are sufficient numbers of the gullible or clueless to allow Western governments to get away with anything if adequately peppered with a little propaganda.
At the moment there appear to be enough clueless, but the number of us who see through the pattern of lies is increasing daily. Let us use each new opportunity to awaken more people to the con being played on them.
The problem is that it takes a nose bleed and a pound of liver level effort to wake people up regarding the “current thing”, and even if you get near achieving a critical mass, they roll out the new thing and the lemmings are then caught in its thrall all over again. Time may be better spent preparing yourself and your family for the spectrum of possible futures, instead of trying to teach monkeys theoretical physics. A problem with the anti current thing movements is that you are stuck playing their game. You want to win the minds of the mindless, while the regime plays on their emotions. This must be one of the most asymmetrical contests in history.
Good points, @Miami MD. In my experience, people vary widely in how deeply entranced they are. Most fit your description, but there are a minority on the edge who can be awakened from their hypnosis, and once awakened, notice the hypnotist and become resistant to further tricks. These are the people I'm suggesting we seek to help. I agree that the great majority don't think and are moved only by emotions (rhetoric). And I judge that we can reach some of those with good rhetoric. (Not my specialty, but some comedians like Owen Bejnamin and J.P. Sears seem to be able to reach people this way.)
Your view is not wrong but still mired in the materialistic.
It's a spiritual war, and the churches are not guides - they were corrupted from the origin of the romish church.
The scripture does contain the hints for the eternal blood fued playing out. You'll need to prepare yourself with revisionist history going back at least 100 years before you are ready for the spiritual side.
That con was the biggest, no? It took me a long time to accept that one and integrate into my map. That guy and the great majority of the circle of actors around him arguably weren't German. http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf makes the case the case that opened my eyes.
Having watched workplace bullying dynamics or awful-person bosses in a couple German workplaces, it is no surprise that this cultural context enabled the actors of WWII to succeed.
It seems that normal and good people shrink away from making a single peep and just let it abusive people continue harassing colleagues for years; the caustic personalities are coddled and kept at the top so as not to provoke them, while normal people whisper fearfully about it behind the scenes rather than anybody standing up and saying something.
They don't seem to have the stand-up-for-justice impulse drilled in like an American upbringing. This, however, is currently positive in the era of cancel-culture...
It will be interesting to see if/when the German people realize they have been destroyed by their Green Party, their reckless leadership and the Biden Regime.
Speculation is that the USSA will now send LNG over to the EU via ships; that could mean shortages in the USSA, and... wait for it... how many of THOSE ships will meet with "accidents?"
The West must die according to the WEF, so we can be enslaved.
Yes, as the WEF appears to be attempting to wipe out all life besides themselves the attempts to survive their manipulation will surely get interesting. Of course they fear America and Americans. Many of us are deeply committed to our once prevalent freedoms.
Just because the US doesn't make enough LNG to make up the shortfall doesn't mean that Our Betters won't put a bunch of it on tankers and send it to Europe to create pain in the US.
Yes, I agree. But since I've seen the deception as an international one (equal opportunity Fascism) from the WEF partners, of which Green Energy deceptions are a part ,I wait for the entire planet to awaken. Including America to the hideous deceptions perpetrated by Biden & Co. Nearly all leaders are WEF connected.
Most Americans are sadly in the dark about about the WEFers, and the Biden Regime. But at least there is the America First Movement to counter the globalists. It is getting stronger by the day, and given the civilization destruction in Europe and world famine that will happen next year, I think it will grow stronger. It's the only way to save the World.
Yes, I believe the American cause (still alive for some people) is key and will not be the sole cause to help but will work in conjunction with the spirit of freedom which all hearts harbor. Saving the world is do or die now.
Yes, just like it being interesting when people around the planet, including American citizens, recognize this. The lack of political sophistication is immense.
Also interesting if/when other pipelines get the same treatment. I doubt only one side of this conflict is capable of underwater sabotage. https://www.baltic-pipe.eu/the-project/
Same as when the Russians are controlling the Zaparhoza nuclear plant... and the Ukrainians claim that the Russians were shelling themselves and western MSM reports that as fact. They really do think the western plebs are dumb as GWB. Aka like a doorknob.
It's working well with those who are that dumb, but rather than despair at this, I judge we can use these obvious lies to awaken ever more of the growing minority of our brothers and sisters with eyes to see. Once eyes are opened, the lies fail and the whole edifice of lies crumbles. Let's make them a laughing stock!
The problem is that we've probably reached the point of no return. Even if the masses opened their eyes tomorrow, what could they actually do? I wrote just yesterday in a comment on this 'stack that I expected one European government after another to stop obeying Brussels and to try to negotiate with Moscow directly. Yeah, well, so much for that. Thanks to our American "allies," this is pretty much impossible now. What are you going to negotiate about? About the gas that cannot physically be delivered? So, impoverishment it is. Let's hope we avoid WWIII at least. (I actually don't think that anyone wants WWIII, but remember how WWI started: one thing led to another, and four years later, millions were dead.)
Neither Russians or Ukrainians wanted war, either. Ukrainians elected Zelenskiy based on his promise to end the war in Donbass and improve relationships with Russia. How did that turn out?
I remember that! Early on in his presidency (or maybe it was during his presidential campaign?) he addressed the people in Donbas in Russian, and he was saying that they were "ours" (i.e. Ukrainian), etc. Basically, it was a peace message. Except that Zelensky is clearly a puppet, which he may or may not have realized when he ran for president. Well, his bosses are probably happy with him. After all, he's a pretty good actor (ha!).
"What could they [Germans] actually do?" One think for sure, that if the German people replace their leadership with those who see the truth, there would be no stopping the Germans from fixing their energy problems. Yes it would take time, but the Germans have the skills and innate ability to get things done.
Right! The key is to awaken them to the truth regarding how they've been victimized. The problem is that they've "internalized the commands of their victimizers" as a result of decades of "social engineering". I pray we can use the ever-more-obvious lies of the globalizers as a wedge to pry open their propagandized minds.
I agree that the gas can not be physically delivered at this time, so just negotiating a settlement with the Russians will not be enough. But realizing who did this, who the real enemy/enemies is/are, is key to putting ending the victimization. And this attack (combined with Rand report, and the deeper history of the war the enemy has waged against Europeans for a long, long time now) provides us with persuasive evidence to awaken our sisters and brothers to big picture of why we've been losing at every turn for so long. We need to be able to show Our Peoples more accurate maps about the world than they've been shown by the those controlling their information feed previously, and the maps we can now show them are much more helpful to our cause than what they've been fed by our victimizers. Let's make use of this advantage!
German NPR had an article back in August (03.08.22) called "US navy zeigt flagge in der ostlichen ostsee". As translated by Google, "A total of 4,000 US soldiers, helicopter pilots, naval infantrymen, doctors, strategists are on their way east. On Wednesday morning at around 6 a.m., the association has already passed the Danish island of Bornholm, then the Americans switch off their automatic ship identification systems (AIS) and can no longer be located without further ado." Coincidence?
How did they ever get away with that claim? As I understand it today they can ascertain where a shell comes from and send back 'counter battery' fire within a couple of minutes. Hence who can hide where a shell comes from? So: why didn't Russia simply show the world their instruments documenting the flight path of the shells & displaying origin?
Dude, guess you didn't follow the farce closely. IAEA inspectors were on site, the U-Nazis launched an attack to try and capture them (and use them as hostage).. but the Russians repelled the attack(s). So the inspectors were onsite and could see where the shells were coming from.. but in their final report, demurred on calling out the U-Nazis. They were geniunely grateful though that the Russians saved their asses from becoming bargaining chips.
Arthur the shells don't go off flying ,the shells fall to the ground and the explosive with copper wrapping flies over to the shooters on the other side and explodes ,so they don't go to sleep .As a kid in Germany I used a Panzer Faust against the wild pigs to prevent them from digging up my potatoes at night .
As Zelenskiy said, Russians are attacking the plant using it as a shield... Even some shrewd Ukrainians called out the logical impossibility of doing both. Now of course it will be the Russians who destroyed their own pipelines that they invested in billions of dollars and finished it in spite of multiple US sabotage and sanctions. By the way, Nord stream 2 was halted by Germany two days before the invasion, Feb 22, if I am not mistaken. Who needs enemies if you have such great "allies"?
There is natural gas under pressure in the pipelines that will leak out for about a week. I suspect the pipeline was shut off on the Russian side months ago.
I think the implication, is if Putin turned off the switch, he becomes a monster/enemy of the world for letting people die/freeze. If the .... pipeline "failed" wink wink wink, the same-outcome but who can blame Putin for a failure of mechanics or for being a victim of an attack by a foreign power? If anything, he gains sympathy. Narratives matter in psychological warfare.
The incentive is he gets his desired outcome (presuming he wanted to starve Germany), without the reputational damage/potential political backlash or literal World War against Russia. Where turning off the switch, might launch a World War. Try telling modern Germans and the "new arrivals" to Germany, no heat, no power for the foreseeable future.
Putin's desired outcome re: the Germans isn't to starve them but to stop them supporting Ukraine. Not that I think he'll refuse to starve them if that turns out to be the best way of stopping them, but starving Germans isn't his terminal goal. For actually stopping them, leaving the gas pipes up and ready to run as an incentive to normalise relations again would surely be more effective: people fight less hard if you leave them an escape route.
"Not that I think he'll refuse to starve them if that turns out to be the best way of stopping them"
The Green party had issued several statements about, Germans must suffer in order to help Ukraine and basically stating, the sanctions/support will remain, no matter what. That NOTHING will stop them and poof no gas/power. I wonder if.... that was incentive for him to reach the point of "the best way to stop them" calculation.
What if Putin and Z are on the same side, and are both the willing servants of the WEF? If the goal is to make the EU suffer, well, both are playing their role well.
That being said, listening to the past words of Resident Grandpa Sniffy Hair in the US, I'd say we are behind it.
You got a point. I think this is actually what happened. Putin in order to avoid full on ww3 can pressure the west into its knees this winter without gas, heat without being the one who did it since now we can only guess. That might set the huge German nato hubris some notches lower make them realize they dont just live in virtual reality and they actually still need physical stuff to live not just their high flying morals and ideals. Might work. Maybe the best solution tactically the more I think about it. Let reality set in this winter. My hope to this utter madness. And over what in the big picture guys? Over what really? We all live on one planet together. We all are humans and all are very similar really.
Does cutting off the gas make war more or less likely?
If people are freezing, they could turn on the political class. A war would *distract* from that and perhaps make it less likely people will opt for the 'rope, noose, some assembly required' solution.
True, and the fact that the US is now controlled by a corrupt globalist regime, makes it harder to do the right thing and negotiate. Stolen elections have consequences!
No way! He is only doing that to diminish the losses in the 2022 elections. He and his regime would rather be like Trudope and tell the Germans to pound sand when they asked for more natural gass. Trudope is a WEFer. Very sad for Canadians.
I don't think this is a good analysis. Why would Putin want to destroy Germany, when he could use natural gas as a carrot? I'll stop your people from freezing an end the collapse of your economy, if you just butt out. Now that is not a possibility.
But the Green Party in charge of Germany specifically said they'd do whatever it takes and never backdown, even if it meant energy-problems and they'd just print-money to counter rising cost of energy prices. So you can't use "natural gas" as a carrot if the horse is allergic to carrots and refuses to eat carrots; ie if the horse is actually a mule. However, frozen/dead economies can't fight. If you removed the oil from the US military, for example, it would just be chunks of useless metal. This has taken the proverbial wind from Germany's sails. Even if they want to help, they can't.
If you scroll down a little you'll see a video posted from ABC News; where Biden said this in February: ""If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
Then there's some other stories on Revolver News I haven't read yet but are about this:
Interesting, German NPR had an article back in August (03.08.22) called "US navy zeigt flagge in der ostlichen ostsee". As translated by Google, "A total of 4,000 US soldiers, helicopter pilots, naval infantrymen, doctors, strategists are on their way east. On Wednesday morning at around 6 a.m., the association has already passed the Danish island of Bornholm, then the Americans switch off their automatic ship identification systems (AIS) and can no longer be located without further ado." Coincidence?
If I were Putin I would attack it in a way I could repair it quickly instead of waiting for someone else to do it sloppy. Also it would put blame on the US during the winter
I don’t believe Russia could legally just stop the flow of gas; this is why they had “maintenance issues” on NS1 instead of just giving the Germans the middle finger. Russia has thus far played by the rules, unlike the US and NATOstan.
I personally lean toward a Russian false flag op, mostly because the US attacking the pipelines would be too obvious. Russia wanted to cut Europe off anyway, and now they can blame the US.
We will probably never know with 100% certainty who did this because I doubt anyone will admit it. But over time it will become obvious. Just like it’s obvious by now that the US government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.
Has Russia been substantially hurt by this war outside of losing the life of soldiers? Is it experiencing any of the effects that Europe and the West are experiencing? From what I understand, Russia is NOT having a problem.
If you step back, this war has hurt Europe and to a much lesser extent, the US.
So consequently, if they decide to do more to "hurt Russia" it will likely only hurt Europe and the US.
Who does that benefit? The WEF. Who wants all nations to be third world nations.
Sanctions to fight Putin are like the lockdowns for covid and promoting Floyd riots for the sake improving racial relations. The media runs cover while we are the intended victims every time.
This is certainly not what I hear from Russians that I know (I was born in USSR and lived in Russia for a while, so I know many). They say that all is basically going down the drain. Companies closing, clients leaving (can't pay), prices increasing. So many of those better off (in large cities), they already lost their normal life, future perspectives. And for what, may I ask? Hundreds of thousands left the country, most highly qualified (that before the recent "mobilization", now way more).
Then, what do you compare it with? Leaving on a pension of 200 USD, or on a salary of 300-400 USD (very good one f. ex. for a doctor (!) in the area I'm familiar with), you are probably not going to feel much yet, because you didn't have much before. High prices for gas? Many areas in Russia don't have gas at all. A suburb of St. Petersburg where some people I quote live, there is no working heating at this time of year yet, and it's very typical.
I stand corrected. I'm just repeating things I've seen online which may or may not be true. Thank you for clarifying.
If this was about the biolabs and they're destroyed, well then, this should stop. Putin should stop punishing his own people, and the West should stop punishing their own people.
However, I doubt that it will stop, since I think Putin, Z and the those behind the punishment are all on the same side.
Not saying he did it, but if he did and then pinned it on the US or the Green Cult, then he would look like a victim and gain sympathy across the world. Just shutting off the pipeline? He'd be labeled a murderer of poor old people.
No one cares what Putin says in the West anyway, he would be a "villain" either way. Just don't see the reason to make such an expensive and complex operation when the pipeline is not operational anyways. Interesting how it happened literally a day after reports in media about rallies in Germany to open NS2. Saying "Ukrainians" did it is ludicrous - while I have no doubts they would love to permanently shut it down, they simply do not have the means to do something like that. Technologically, it could only be US/NATO or Russia, and the only side with the motive is US/NATO. It's them who did every dirty trick in the playbook to stop it and destroy other infrastructure, why would it be any different now. It's revenge for the referendums and the almost inevitable return of those lands to Russia.
Everybody here is simply speculating. My own speculation is that blowing up his own pipeline and then blaming it on the USA or NATO will give Putin the excuse he wants to extend the war to the Baltic states.
Many wars begin due to miscalculation. After Trump's defeat (he WAS tough on the Russians, despite media propaganda to the contrary) and then Biden's embarrassing withdrawal from Afghanistan, Putin may have calculated that he could invade Ukraine with minimal consequences beyond a lot of huffy rhetoric and pathetically limited sanctions.
That didn't turn out to be the case exactly, but doubts remain as to how deeply committed NATO is to resisting Russian aggression. So increasing the pressure by taking the war to, say, Lithuania in an attempt to create a corridor between the Kaliningrad district and Putin's satrapy in Belarus, would be doubling down on the Ukraine bet.
By the same token, blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines would increase the pressure on Europeans to cry uncle during a harsh winter.
Like I said, we are all speculating here and the above considerations are not implausible.
Spending billions of dollars and many years to build a complex system only to blow it up as an excuse must be a special definition of insane. Russia would be much better off simply with the operational NS2 and good trade relations with Germany. I see a much more obvious beneficiary here. And the definition of "aggression" depends on who you ask - those who lived under constant bombing for eight years just because they are Russian may disagree with you. But, again, they are Russian, and thus deserve to be exterminated either way, right? No wonder the deafening silence about those people in any mainstream media in the West. Goes against the "narrative"
I don't think Putin is insane, I think he's desperate. The war hasn't gone nearly as well as expected and admitting failure could be fatal for him personally. In these circumstances, it is not inconceivable that he would roll the dice by opening a new front where he can claim to be defending against an "act of war."
Regarding this nonsense about "Russians deserve to be exterminated," this is your thought, not mine, and an irrelevant one.
That said, I have not believed a single thing coming out of the Russian side since 2014 when they sent out a tweet (whoops!) boasting about the downing of a "Ukrainian military plane" and it turned out to be the Dutch airliner, then they claimed it wasn't them who did it. The same year, after invading Crimea they claimed to overwhelmingly win a "referendum" for joining Russia where the ballot boxes were made of clear glass and the ballots went in unfolded for everyone to see how the person voted.
God it is depressing being a Westerner these days. Whenever there is a filthy dirty trick or something colossally stupid we know it's 'our side' that did it.
We know just from how stupid it is and/or how filthy it is. We don't have to look any further.
And, truly, sitting at home writing these armchair opinions the feeling of faint alarm slowly grows in the background: when are they going to come knocking on my door?
If you are, say, a member of the Chinese nomenclatura, it must be a baffling sight, a mixture of watching a train wreck and watching somebody shoot themselves in the foot, and all the time you think "Surely they can't be THAT stupid..oh yes, they can. OK. Well, but surely they can't be so stupid as to...ok, oh well, here we go again."
The simplest explanation is that "Western" governments are now a skinsuit occupied by people who hate Western Europeans? Is e.g. Merrick Garland a "Westman"? Is Anthony Blinken?
And who do they NOT hate? Russians? Ukrainians (sending them to slaughter)? US citizens (who are "deplorables" and "domestic terrorists")? Canadians? Australians? Chinese? Middle Easterners? South Americans? Africans? I seriously struggle to find any group they love (except when they use them for their means). It's keeping everyone apart and fighting each other is what lets them get away with all they do for so long.
They appear to not hate the fellow psychopaths within their cabal. They appear to hate all good, normal, healthy people who do not grovel before their alleged superiority.
I believe it is because the motivation for them all is money.
They see themselves as simply businessmen increasing the profits of the companies they work for.
Company directors and such they are actually required by law to put company profits ahead of all else. Companies are not required to act in the best interests of their employees nor of the country within which they are.
They can turn a blind eye to the social consequences of their actions, their decisions, and flatter themselves that they've simply performed their duty well.
America - all Western nations but particularly the USA - is simple corporation. A group of corporations. It can be considered as one vast corporation.
And its sole interest is maximising profit.
Promoting wars.
Destroying other nations.
Promoting insane virus scares and 'remedies'.
'War on drugs'.
Anything and everything can be monetized and then it becomes subject to that imperative: promote that which maximises profit.
The whole, the entire, the sole, the public justification for the systematic perversion of human rights in Europe, the interference in national politics, the murder of thousands of young men is simply to 'weaken Russia and Europe'. Not from fear they will come and wage war on the USA. But from fear they will reduce America's profits.
The total ineptitude and apparent insanity, incoherence, irrationality of what they do can be seen to be explained by this mechanism, too. For they are at odds with each other, leads to conflicting and irrational choices, actions. They are greedy for immediate short term gain, leads to irrational actions when considered in the long run. They are without deep expertise in consideration of ramifications which leads to ill considered manipulations and coercions which eventually come back and bite them. They are by definition without humane or human considerations which leads to actions which will have social implications and results that will be counter productive but they don't see that.
and so on.
The people have no leaders representing the people.
I mean, it more or less takes a negotiated peace off the table no? Pipeline sanctions are now a moot point, if there are no pipelines that are functional
"Russia Propaganda" "Russian disinformation" "Don't believe your ears or eyes!" "Find out the latest on CNN about Russian lies against the US", "Get your 6th booster. Its the safest yet!"
How does one "prove" something, when anything you say is considered misinformation and propaganda? Russia on a country-level is the equivalent of mRNA skeptics who are questioning "the Science".
People sometimes just immediately cover their ears and go "lalalalala" or "no no no, myocarditis is more common from covid!" "no no no no, that Harvard, Stanford, ULCA combined paper is wrong. lalalala." "no no no no, VAERS, UK Yellow Card, This and that reporting system is wrong. Myocarditis comes more from covid. Lalalalala."
The same thing would happen if you tried to convince them the US just murdered citizens of an allied country, in effect, by forcing them to freeze to death this winter. (Not really but maybe).
"How does one "prove" something, when anything you say is considered misinformation and propaganda? Russia on a country-level is the equivalent of mRNA skeptics who are questioning "the Science"."
The US GOVERNMENT (CIA) is responsible for so much tragedy, death, destruction and foreign country take overs. It just doesn’t surprise me anymore. I love my country. I despise my government.
Unlikely they would be able to "prove" it -- the leak presumably occurred in "NATO" waters, where Russians would almost certainly not have the capability to monitor all NATO submarine movements. On the other hand, NATO almost certainly has the ability to monitor Russian submarine movements in these waters, so if the Russians did it the proof would already be on CNN.
When "Covid" first started I felt lik ewe are in a secret war of some kind -- and now I also feel that way. A "war" that they keep telling us isn't a war.
They definitely are trying hard, and still have the majority of the people believing their lies, but you saw through the lies enough to get where you are today, and I see more people seeing through every day. The majority are followers and will come over when enough of us say no to the lies. This is what Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn believed: https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-lies
I've found most of the people I know (liberal, over 50) do NOT accept the truth about C0VID. At all.
However, they are open to learning things about the WEF and CBDCs. So even though their minds are closed on one topic (COVID) it doesn't mean their minds are closed on all topics.
The German government does not realize that German industry is finished without cheap Russian energy and commodity inputs. The destruction won't happen overnight, it will take a few years for companies to relocate, go bust or to shut down operations. We will go the way of Greece without the family ties and family support networks. It will get ugly when system after system collapses slowly. Industrial style healthcare, care for the elderly, welfare payments, pension systems, they will all collapse within the next ten years.
For me it is quite clear that Germany will no longer be a rich country in a few years. To make up for the loss of wealth, we will surely get a nice totalitarian state, much better than the good old DDR.
I absolutely agree. We're fucked, and we don't even have community or family support networks the way people do that are used to the ineptitude of politicians and government officials.
Yes, I agree. But I personally draw the line at accepting being fucked. It is up to us to be the sane ones, to form family & community networks to go against the politicians, government, corporate idiots who are working to dominate us all. Nothing means F’all if we don’t. Allowing these cretins to win without a fight is seriously wrong.
That's a good point about the family support networks. I'm American, but living in an Asian country right now. The family networks here make a huge difference in quality of life, and getting things done in general. They are vital if something goes wrong. Wealth let people in the US drift away from their family networks, but without the money, it will get very difficult.
Yeah, when the debt and economic crisis hit Greece, Spain and Italy following the 2008/2009 financial crisis, family members supported each other massively. Grandparents, parents and children often live in a common household and they usually own their homes since generations. All of this is not the case in individualized Germany. We dump our old people into care homes, most Germans don't own their home we have loads of single people living isolated in their flats.
And it's going to take decades to go back to some sort of networks, and older people without a family won't be able to rely on such a network that spans the generations at all.
Yes, it is already very difficult. It is entirely possible we are experiencing the end of the sort of wealth we have become accustomed to around the world. It may be necessary to re learn to be real humans on the earth. If this is true we will need to learn things we have thoroughly forgotten. But regardless of the final form we discover necessary we will need real grounded sanity, families, communities and dispensing with the evil force social media has fostered.
It is already not a rich country if you look at the median net value of German citizens. At around 50k EUR it's about half that of 'poor' Greece.
That of course doesn't stop the occupational government from squandering our treasure overseas, or shipping the products of our labor out in exchange for devalued printed banknotes.
I know how this movie ends, just not the day or the hour.
Wait until you see how that vast sea of third world "refugees" reacts when all the shit they came there for stops working. Germany is going to find out how thin the veneer of civilization is.
The Great Reset. The WEF. Communism 2.0. 'You will own nothing and be happy about it.' The elites such as Schiff Bankers sponsored Bolsheviks, because stealing a state's entire assets/resources and its population's entire current and future labor output/GDP is the greatest corporate profit/scam of all.
President Biden said in early February that in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.”
So WHY would anyone with a functioning brain DOUBT this expressed INTENTION of the leader of the west? Being a German myself - with those kind of "friends" - we don't need no enemy anymore . . .
Maybe consider that the President doesn’t have a functioning brain? He has no clue what comes up on his teleprompter and if he’s speaking off the cuff he makes even less sense. Hey may have been thinking of the Keystone pipeline he so stupidly shut down here. Who knows?
He misspeaks all the time and says stupid things, but it seems like he slips in accidental revelations esp. when he is bragging (a truly venal and vain man IMHO). Still, you are very right to criticize.
I'm going with corrupt. He might not be the smartest person in the world, but he is getting 10% of what his crack head son is doing. The US government is looking t he other way, so it's all perfectly legal. It's a nice big grift the Xiden's have going, which is something most "smart" people cannot effort.
“Someone” is determined to escalate this conflict into a European war. Putin is mobilizing and the plebiscite in the Russian occupied territories looks like annexation is on the way. Whether it is a free election representing the will of those people is a moot point as Biden will claim it is fraudulent and Putin will claim otherwise. Once the territories are annexxed they will become part of the Russian Homeland and Putin has stated very clearly he will use nuclear weapons to “defend” them against NATO! None of this had to happen. Clinton and Obama played ball with the war cabal at the State and Defense Departments which have been gunning for Putin since his ascendancy. This could well be the ultimate folly of “Regime Change” started by the US and perpetrated with impunity …until now. The millions of Europeans out of work, penniless and freezing in their homes in a few months will have some REAL second thoughts about US “leadership” and where its hubristic corrupt policies have taken them.
True of nearly all nations including all of North America, Europe, Asia, Middle East, Pacific nations, Africa, Caribbean. From the beginning of 2020 and before this was a hostile takeover & intended genocide. Why is tyranny so impossible for people to understand?
There is a very interesting interview of Michael Yon by Jordan Peterson that people here might find fascinating. He connects some very terrifying dots along these lines.
One big batch of fires corresponded with the Chinese lining up warships along South America. This was the same time as the 'accidental' clogging of the Suez Canal.
Edit: Speaking of which,
Today's news: 119 forest fires set intentionally in Brandenburg
119 Waldbrände in Brandenburg möglicherweise mit Absicht gelegt
I dont doubt the sabotage and i dont doubt the west involvement. Just another strike to heart to the citizens of the west like the dutch farmers being regulated out of business. We shall drift off the face the earth by either starvation or hypothermia. Its all part of the cull.
This is CIA/NATO without any possible doubt to me.
The USA are making tons of money selling their gas to Europe and the possibility to be able to blame the Russians for the sabotage was too good to ignore.
Today I can fully understand why the USA are considered the “Big Satan” in many countries around the planet.
No it doesn’t actually, the country that wins the most does and that’s China. Now China has way more leverage in trade against Russia, they can resell to Europe, and further it breaks ties between allies which further weakens the USA for their plans to take Taiwan.
Interesting point. We are mostly westerners here and we are not immune to the oikophobia that drives many of the suicidal cretins whom we criticize here. "Of course it must have my been my government!" (Guy from Andorra) ;)
I suppose as an American that could be considered defensive thinking... but perhaps there are multiple tacit agendas and alliances of convenience?
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Lol, the Green "adjacent" journalists are demanding Germany destroy itself to hurt Putin?
Putin and Lavrov must see this stuff, or watch these policies being enacted, in utter bewilderment. How has Europe become ruled by such utter imbeciles?
Putin and Xi are supporters of many of the west's self destructive movements and tendencies. Cash and ideology flow to groups that make massive trouble out of negligible issues. It's inexpensive to sow discord and despondency among your enemies.
Things like racism, which has been reduced to the lowest plausibly achievable level in most Western countries are blown out of all proportion by groups like BLM. The inevitable result is actually an increase in racism in predictable response. Same with trans. If 1 bloke in 200000 wants to cut his dick off, wear a frock, and call himself Dolores, literally no one cares. But ram it down everyone's throats 24/7 and there is predictable push back and life is worse for everyone. Green the same. We have spent my entire life fixing environmental problems, very succcessfully, but there is always one more, and carbon is great because it is invisible, intractable (you don't want to live in a carbon zero civilisation as it won't be a civilisation), and as with all religions the bad stuff will only come after you are dead.
All of these are western ideas and problems, all rooted to a sufficient extent in reality you can't just dismiss them, but there are many interested in keeping these small and diminishing problems at the top of the agenda. Including foreign powers.
Putin is not our friend, and plays all kinds of games against us. The fact that our own hopelessly ignorant leaders are now fully co-opted enemies of their own people has him laughing the loudest.
Agreed. They claim Putin wants to reconstruct the Soviet Empire but they have no idea. He's a nationalist, something antithetical to Bolshevism and to Western Globalist Elites (which is why they will never understand him). They say he's corrupt, which I suppose is true to some degree, a less than basic standard our own politicians couldn't hope to compare to and make no attempt to pretend to do so, but he does at least appear competent and doesn't behave as though he hate's the country and the people he represents.
Putin's rise to power was via helping the oligarch's who raped post-Soviet Russia, but then 'surprise!' he turned on them when he realized there'd be nothing left of Russia if they had their way. He tried to play ball, but the conditions of that game were too heinous.
Since then he's done an admirable job of putting the boot to some of the subversives. But I am curious whether the Gamaleya National Research Center adenovirus also encodes for full s-protein, which would make it equally criminal to the rest of the gene-jabs. To my knowledge though, Russia never mandated them.
One of them in Germany have a statement. I can't recall his name which is really annoying but the statement, regarding reactivating a nuclear plant, was to the effect of
"I've been trying to close this plant for 30 years and I won't let them take away my victory now"
On another hand, US neocons were selling "orange revolutions" with the promise the people will live like in "Europe". Unlikely they can sell that pie in the sky any more...
If you have ANY doubts whatsoever - WHO CUTS LINES BETWEEN RUSSIA & GERMANY - listen to George Friedman from STRATFOR at the Chicago Council on global affairs.
"George Friedman, STRATFOR, The Chicago Council, 04.02.2015"
He explains WHO is the most deeply fearful nation on this planet & WHY America has created WorldWar 1, WorldWar 2 & is now creating WorldWar 3 - he explains the FEAR of american leaders of GERMANY & RUSSIA becoming friends and joining forces in a synergy between GERMAN know-how & RUSSIAN natural resources.
FEAR is the hidden, but driving power in any psychopath . . .
Why would Putin attack his valuable assets when he could simply switch them off?
There was no pressure no incentive for him to do that.
USA and NATO knew what happened.
russian complicity in the attack makes no sense to me. the very existence of the pipelines was an incentive for Germany (and by extension other countries) to seek some settlement with russia and ease the energy crisis. assuming the pipelines can't be easily repaired, that leverage is vastly reduced now.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. What better reason for USA to covertly sabotage the pipelines, thus removing any chance that Germany/EU would say "enough" and reach a settlement with Russia. Folks, no matter what nation you live in, consider the possibility that your rulers have hidden agendas that appear to not include your best interests, or even your safety anymore.
It's no longer "our" government. Not even pretending any more. I pray they've overplayed their hand.
Nope, we in American are under the boots of facscists
I know I don't have to look past the borders of what was once my nation for enemies. I'm actually safer from people who live thousands of miles away.
Disgustingly true
They are more than delivering gas - they could serve as a potential peace pipelines. Why would be the stakeholders be engaged in MAD activities?
The same forces pimping Z to provoke Russia were also behind those collapses.
Like including the old man in diapers who still gets rowled up over a 12 year old girl?
You noticed. A pedophile as Commander in Chief certainly brings them out of the woodwork. That is my primary disgust in this clusterf___ of tragedies.
This attack just shows the true character of American foreign policy. The only thing that American "allies" can expect is a knife in the back.
The "American" government is now a skinsuit occupied by something non-American, too powerful and sinister to openly name. But they/it evidently despises the European Peoples.
I wish this were true. The Biden Regime more than just non-American, it is anti-western civilization. Many so called Americans are 100% behind pedoJoe.
Not only do Americans have to wake up to the value of the America First Movement, but so do all the people of the world. It is the only stop-gate between freedom and global tyranny.
Yes, the skinsuit is occupied by anti-western civilization entities (apparently people, but they hate us). They destroyed the original America First movement (of the 1930s-40s) that was based out of the Midwest (the manufacturing center of America), and later destroyed US Manufacturing as part of their scorched-earth war on us. They've hated us for a long time. They funded and orchestrated Bolshevism, Pornography, destruction of the Family, etc. Our People have been losing for long, long time. But the information landscape has changed. They've awakened a distributed, amorphous resistance gives me reason to believe we WILL prevail: https://heroesvsvillains.substack.com/p/they-awakened-their-nemesis
I hope. I am so down. I font know now. Everybody hot addicted to his piece of silver. No honor and courage I see.
100% yes
They despise the American people as well.
They apparently despise Westernkind, wherever in the world they may be.
I really want to know what exactly is in that skinsuit. I want to see my enemy finally in its pure form. All this hiding and pretending and lying. Show yourself you monster! Maybe we will see soon!!
it is the jews...there are none so blind as those who will not see.
fd
I will name them....it is the jews
There certainly are many inside the skinsuit who claim that label. And there are many who claim that label who are not inside the skinsuit. As a group, they do seem to be "over-represented" among those obviously participating in and celebrating the victimization of Westernkind. Some say it's related to stories they say that their god tells them that they must exterminate and erase "Amalek", "Edom", or somesuch. As an outsider, it's hard for me to sort out the truth of these claims.
what you fail to see maybe on purpose is the gentiles that side with the jews have been bought off by them. no better example then the saudis and all the other dupe arabs that signed the abraham accords which is pissraels attempt at creating a mideast NATO to fight Iran. then look at the palestine authority headed by Abass. their job is to provide security for israel in the west bank as well as rat on their own people so israel can go in kill or arrest them. then look at rabbi trump servant of israel
I am soo ashamed. I sound like a lefty now but it is true now.
Australia is far more China's lapdog than anyone else's today. And they've become really skilled little authoritarians with their COVID live-fire practice.
Expect Oz to import a few more Chinese politicians into their government in the next few years and the annexation will be over soon.
These governments are all skinsuits. 'Golems' of the globalizers?
Well to be fare, the Australia leadership is in lockstep with the globalist. See your governments tyrannical response to a bad flu.
99.999999% chance that the United States did this, and/or planned it, coordinated it, trained the resources (SpecOps) for this, etc.
For these precise reasons it reads far more like a hardline faction burning a bridge.
I wonder if it would make sense for China to sabotage the pipelines. This would force Russian to sell more oil and lower prices to China, and it would draw Russia towards China economically and away from Europe.
It has to be someone with the means to get to NATO waters and spend there considerable amount of time unnoticed
Specifically, get into Danish waters.
Maybe, ex Danish Prime Minister / Nato Secretary General Rasmussen hosting his friends?
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/US-Navy-zeigt-Flagge-in-der-oestlichen-Ostsee,usnavy102.html
Ha!
I think NATO has the motive while Russia doesn't, but to be fair, Russia could have put some kind of autonomous crawler into the pipe from their end and then made it explode.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/US-Navy-zeigt-Flagge-in-der-oestlichen-Ostsee,usnavy102.html
That's an interesting possibility. It seems that rather than crawling, the explosive device could flow along with the pipeline contents.
I don't see how Germany can continue to align with NATO on the Ukraine conflict if it means their people can't heat their homes. It won't serve NATO's interests if Germany bails-out.
That's a good point. I don't know if China would have the capability or not.
I don't think the US would do this, because it puts pressure on Europe to reach a peaceful settlement with Russian in Ukraine so the pipelines there can function.
The US is the only obvious beneficiary of this, preventing the cheap gas to Germany and ensuring the prolonged conflict to "weaken" Russia.
The German government benefits too, because there will be less political pressure to open the pipelines when they are not functional.
“ hubris, sanctimony and stupidity”?
You’re giving cold, hard destruction some flowery names.
We'll see how popular "Putin Apologism" becomes when thousands across Europe die of cold this winter, while the European economy collapses.
Personally, I blame Biden. He had the power to prevent this war, and continues to refuse to even negotiate for peace. Meanwhile in the USA, we've spent an amount that would have added a lane to our entire interstate highway system, on this useless effort. Even if the USA gets its goal of a "permanently weakened Russia," (which I doubt is likely), how exactly do we gain from this? It's hard to imagine that a "permanently weakened Russia" is going to want to turn the taps back on any time soon.
Meanwhile, apparently a big chunk of Russian oil production flows due to the now-halted technical expertise of firms like Shell and Halliburton. When those flows stop, oil will be closer to $200 than to $100.
American foreign policy here seems to be a classic case of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Cheers,
Kim G
Roma Sur, CDMX
Where at least one can get through winter without heat, though it's a bit chilly.
This is spot on: "Personally, I blame Biden." He is a radical with dementia.
But do remember when the German delegation to the UN laughed at Trump when he said Germany was idiotic for depending on Russia for energy? Soon enough the Germans will see the truth. It might be too late for them, but it isn't took late for America.
Of course it is reasonable to blame Biden as long as we recognize he is part of a band of kleptocrats known as the WEF. Wish this was limited to USA hegemony and corporate criminals. Unfortunately it now encompasses nearly all nations. We are going to have to beat all of these terrorists.
The ship of fools and its passengers, the "useful idiots"...
Weapons, weapons, they need weapons, war, war, war, peace is so unprofitable, man...!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pnFR7DeZA
Unfortunately what I’ve gleaned over the last few years is that there are sufficient numbers of the gullible or clueless to allow Western governments to get away with anything if adequately peppered with a little propaganda.
At the moment there appear to be enough clueless, but the number of us who see through the pattern of lies is increasing daily. Let us use each new opportunity to awaken more people to the con being played on them.
The problem is that it takes a nose bleed and a pound of liver level effort to wake people up regarding the “current thing”, and even if you get near achieving a critical mass, they roll out the new thing and the lemmings are then caught in its thrall all over again. Time may be better spent preparing yourself and your family for the spectrum of possible futures, instead of trying to teach monkeys theoretical physics. A problem with the anti current thing movements is that you are stuck playing their game. You want to win the minds of the mindless, while the regime plays on their emotions. This must be one of the most asymmetrical contests in history.
Good points, @Miami MD. In my experience, people vary widely in how deeply entranced they are. Most fit your description, but there are a minority on the edge who can be awakened from their hypnosis, and once awakened, notice the hypnotist and become resistant to further tricks. These are the people I'm suggesting we seek to help. I agree that the great majority don't think and are moved only by emotions (rhetoric). And I judge that we can reach some of those with good rhetoric. (Not my specialty, but some comedians like Owen Bejnamin and J.P. Sears seem to be able to reach people this way.)
Your view is not wrong but still mired in the materialistic.
It's a spiritual war, and the churches are not guides - they were corrupted from the origin of the romish church.
The scripture does contain the hints for the eternal blood fued playing out. You'll need to prepare yourself with revisionist history going back at least 100 years before you are ready for the spiritual side.
Good luck and god bless.
As with SARS2 and CO2, it really is teaching theoretical physics to monkeys.
That's the spirit!
They have not re C19 matters.....
Remember those supported a guy who did not even look German in WWII ...
That con was the biggest, no? It took me a long time to accept that one and integrate into my map. That guy and the great majority of the circle of actors around him arguably weren't German. http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf makes the case the case that opened my eyes.
At the time, the majority of Austrians were ethnically German, and voted with overwhelming majority to join the Reich.
But was he "Austrian" in the same way that Victoria Nuland and Anthony Blinken are "American"?
Having watched workplace bullying dynamics or awful-person bosses in a couple German workplaces, it is no surprise that this cultural context enabled the actors of WWII to succeed.
It seems that normal and good people shrink away from making a single peep and just let it abusive people continue harassing colleagues for years; the caustic personalities are coddled and kept at the top so as not to provoke them, while normal people whisper fearfully about it behind the scenes rather than anybody standing up and saying something.
They don't seem to have the stand-up-for-justice impulse drilled in like an American upbringing. This, however, is currently positive in the era of cancel-culture...
It will be interesting to see if/when the German people realize they have been destroyed by their Green Party, their reckless leadership and the Biden Regime.
Speculation is that the USSA will now send LNG over to the EU via ships; that could mean shortages in the USSA, and... wait for it... how many of THOSE ships will meet with "accidents?"
The West must die according to the WEF, so we can be enslaved.
Yes, as the WEF appears to be attempting to wipe out all life besides themselves the attempts to survive their manipulation will surely get interesting. Of course they fear America and Americans. Many of us are deeply committed to our once prevalent freedoms.
" Of course they fear America and Americans."
As well they should. We have not been quite as neutered as the rest of the West.
The US doesn't produce enough LNG to make up the shortfall of gas due to the closure (and now bombing) of Nord Stream 1 & 2. All covered here:
https://renegademind.substack.com/p/a-cold-dark-winter-is-coming
Just because the US doesn't make enough LNG to make up the shortfall doesn't mean that Our Betters won't put a bunch of it on tankers and send it to Europe to create pain in the US.
Dire, really dire. Thanks for the information.
eat zee bugs
Yes, I agree. But since I've seen the deception as an international one (equal opportunity Fascism) from the WEF partners, of which Green Energy deceptions are a part ,I wait for the entire planet to awaken. Including America to the hideous deceptions perpetrated by Biden & Co. Nearly all leaders are WEF connected.
Most Americans are sadly in the dark about about the WEFers, and the Biden Regime. But at least there is the America First Movement to counter the globalists. It is getting stronger by the day, and given the civilization destruction in Europe and world famine that will happen next year, I think it will grow stronger. It's the only way to save the World.
Yes, I believe the American cause (still alive for some people) is key and will not be the sole cause to help but will work in conjunction with the spirit of freedom which all hearts harbor. Saving the world is do or die now.
Yes, just like it being interesting when people around the planet, including American citizens, recognize this. The lack of political sophistication is immense.
Hurting your own people to make it less likely a war is settled somewhere else.
Also interesting if/when other pipelines get the same treatment. I doubt only one side of this conflict is capable of underwater sabotage. https://www.baltic-pipe.eu/the-project/
Oh, you mean like Americans, too????
Same as when the Russians are controlling the Zaparhoza nuclear plant... and the Ukrainians claim that the Russians were shelling themselves and western MSM reports that as fact. They really do think the western plebs are dumb as GWB. Aka like a doorknob.
spot-on parallel
"They really do think the western plebs are dumb"
So far it's working well.
Aye. They have excellent, well founded reasons to think the plebs are very, very dumb indeed.
They cut the non-dumb out of the conversation and out of roles of meaningful responsibility,
communicate (emotionally orchestrate) directly to the dumb
in order to manufacture (the appearance of) consent
It's working well with those who are that dumb, but rather than despair at this, I judge we can use these obvious lies to awaken ever more of the growing minority of our brothers and sisters with eyes to see. Once eyes are opened, the lies fail and the whole edifice of lies crumbles. Let's make them a laughing stock!
The problem is that we've probably reached the point of no return. Even if the masses opened their eyes tomorrow, what could they actually do? I wrote just yesterday in a comment on this 'stack that I expected one European government after another to stop obeying Brussels and to try to negotiate with Moscow directly. Yeah, well, so much for that. Thanks to our American "allies," this is pretty much impossible now. What are you going to negotiate about? About the gas that cannot physically be delivered? So, impoverishment it is. Let's hope we avoid WWIII at least. (I actually don't think that anyone wants WWIII, but remember how WWI started: one thing led to another, and four years later, millions were dead.)
Neither Russians or Ukrainians wanted war, either. Ukrainians elected Zelenskiy based on his promise to end the war in Donbass and improve relationships with Russia. How did that turn out?
I remember that! Early on in his presidency (or maybe it was during his presidential campaign?) he addressed the people in Donbas in Russian, and he was saying that they were "ours" (i.e. Ukrainian), etc. Basically, it was a peace message. Except that Zelensky is clearly a puppet, which he may or may not have realized when he ran for president. Well, his bosses are probably happy with him. After all, he's a pretty good actor (ha!).
> Ukrainians elected Zelenskiy based on his promise to end the war in Donbass and improve relationships with Russia. How did that turn out?
About as well as every other attempt to seek peace out of war weariness or weakness turns out.
"What could they [Germans] actually do?" One think for sure, that if the German people replace their leadership with those who see the truth, there would be no stopping the Germans from fixing their energy problems. Yes it would take time, but the Germans have the skills and innate ability to get things done.
Right! The key is to awaken them to the truth regarding how they've been victimized. The problem is that they've "internalized the commands of their victimizers" as a result of decades of "social engineering". I pray we can use the ever-more-obvious lies of the globalizers as a wedge to pry open their propagandized minds.
I agree that the gas can not be physically delivered at this time, so just negotiating a settlement with the Russians will not be enough. But realizing who did this, who the real enemy/enemies is/are, is key to putting ending the victimization. And this attack (combined with Rand report, and the deeper history of the war the enemy has waged against Europeans for a long, long time now) provides us with persuasive evidence to awaken our sisters and brothers to big picture of why we've been losing at every turn for so long. We need to be able to show Our Peoples more accurate maps about the world than they've been shown by the those controlling their information feed previously, and the maps we can now show them are much more helpful to our cause than what they've been fed by our victimizers. Let's make use of this advantage!
My article: https://heroesvsvillains.substack.com/p/apparent-sabotage-disables-nord-stream
German NPR had an article back in August (03.08.22) called "US navy zeigt flagge in der ostlichen ostsee". As translated by Google, "A total of 4,000 US soldiers, helicopter pilots, naval infantrymen, doctors, strategists are on their way east. On Wednesday morning at around 6 a.m., the association has already passed the Danish island of Bornholm, then the Americans switch off their automatic ship identification systems (AIS) and can no longer be located without further ado." Coincidence?
And those Z-nazis also shelled their own prisoners held by the Russians.
Unfortunately, most of them are.
What mortal dares to speak of the Doorknob? 😈
How did they ever get away with that claim? As I understand it today they can ascertain where a shell comes from and send back 'counter battery' fire within a couple of minutes. Hence who can hide where a shell comes from? So: why didn't Russia simply show the world their instruments documenting the flight path of the shells & displaying origin?
Dude, guess you didn't follow the farce closely. IAEA inspectors were on site, the U-Nazis launched an attack to try and capture them (and use them as hostage).. but the Russians repelled the attack(s). So the inspectors were onsite and could see where the shells were coming from.. but in their final report, demurred on calling out the U-Nazis. They were geniunely grateful though that the Russians saved their asses from becoming bargaining chips.
Arthur the shells don't go off flying ,the shells fall to the ground and the explosive with copper wrapping flies over to the shooters on the other side and explodes ,so they don't go to sleep .As a kid in Germany I used a Panzer Faust against the wild pigs to prevent them from digging up my potatoes at night .
@ joe stuerzi
Interesting story, Joe, but you've confused me.... I don't really understand what you're saying about the shells..
As Zelenskiy said, Russians are attacking the plant using it as a shield... Even some shrewd Ukrainians called out the logical impossibility of doing both. Now of course it will be the Russians who destroyed their own pipelines that they invested in billions of dollars and finished it in spite of multiple US sabotage and sanctions. By the way, Nord stream 2 was halted by Germany two days before the invasion, Feb 22, if I am not mistaken. Who needs enemies if you have such great "allies"?
The Russians could just close a valve on their shore
There is natural gas under pressure in the pipelines that will leak out for about a week. I suspect the pipeline was shut off on the Russian side months ago.
https://news.yahoo.com/known-far-nord-stream-gas-132923466.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb
FYI - Russia, energy/geo politics - four months ago?
https://youtu.be/qWyhKobyM68
I think the implication, is if Putin turned off the switch, he becomes a monster/enemy of the world for letting people die/freeze. If the .... pipeline "failed" wink wink wink, the same-outcome but who can blame Putin for a failure of mechanics or for being a victim of an attack by a foreign power? If anything, he gains sympathy. Narratives matter in psychological warfare.
The incentive is he gets his desired outcome (presuming he wanted to starve Germany), without the reputational damage/potential political backlash or literal World War against Russia. Where turning off the switch, might launch a World War. Try telling modern Germans and the "new arrivals" to Germany, no heat, no power for the foreseeable future.
Putin's desired outcome re: the Germans isn't to starve them but to stop them supporting Ukraine. Not that I think he'll refuse to starve them if that turns out to be the best way of stopping them, but starving Germans isn't his terminal goal. For actually stopping them, leaving the gas pipes up and ready to run as an incentive to normalise relations again would surely be more effective: people fight less hard if you leave them an escape route.
"Not that I think he'll refuse to starve them if that turns out to be the best way of stopping them"
The Green party had issued several statements about, Germans must suffer in order to help Ukraine and basically stating, the sanctions/support will remain, no matter what. That NOTHING will stop them and poof no gas/power. I wonder if.... that was incentive for him to reach the point of "the best way to stop them" calculation.
What if Putin and Z are on the same side, and are both the willing servants of the WEF? If the goal is to make the EU suffer, well, both are playing their role well.
That being said, listening to the past words of Resident Grandpa Sniffy Hair in the US, I'd say we are behind it.
You got a point. I think this is actually what happened. Putin in order to avoid full on ww3 can pressure the west into its knees this winter without gas, heat without being the one who did it since now we can only guess. That might set the huge German nato hubris some notches lower make them realize they dont just live in virtual reality and they actually still need physical stuff to live not just their high flying morals and ideals. Might work. Maybe the best solution tactically the more I think about it. Let reality set in this winter. My hope to this utter madness. And over what in the big picture guys? Over what really? We all live on one planet together. We all are humans and all are very similar really.
Does cutting off the gas make war more or less likely?
If people are freezing, they could turn on the political class. A war would *distract* from that and perhaps make it less likely people will opt for the 'rope, noose, some assembly required' solution.
NATO and US have a strong motivation as well. Can't negotiate with Russia if the pipelines are not functional.
And, how, exactly would Germany conduct a war against Russia without energy to heat buildings and power factories?
True, and the fact that the US is now controlled by a corrupt globalist regime, makes it harder to do the right thing and negotiate. Stolen elections have consequences!
Perhaps Brandon will drain what is left of the Strategic Reserve to help the Germans....
No way! He is only doing that to diminish the losses in the 2022 elections. He and his regime would rather be like Trudope and tell the Germans to pound sand when they asked for more natural gass. Trudope is a WEFer. Very sad for Canadians.
I don't think this is a good analysis. Why would Putin want to destroy Germany, when he could use natural gas as a carrot? I'll stop your people from freezing an end the collapse of your economy, if you just butt out. Now that is not a possibility.
But the Green Party in charge of Germany specifically said they'd do whatever it takes and never backdown, even if it meant energy-problems and they'd just print-money to counter rising cost of energy prices. So you can't use "natural gas" as a carrot if the horse is allergic to carrots and refuses to eat carrots; ie if the horse is actually a mule. However, frozen/dead economies can't fight. If you removed the oil from the US military, for example, it would just be chunks of useless metal. This has taken the proverbial wind from Germany's sails. Even if they want to help, they can't.
I get it, and the good people of Germany need to neuter the Green Party so they can survive. But they have to see that truth first.
Someone pointed me to this story/video:
https://www.revolver.news/2022/09/the-americans-have-declared-war-on-europe-nord-stream/
If you scroll down a little you'll see a video posted from ABC News; where Biden said this in February: ""If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
Then there's some other stories on Revolver News I haven't read yet but are about this:
https://www.revolver.news/
Most are at or near the top of the page.
But who knows for sure what's REALLY going on or who REALLY did something?
I keep hearing rumblings about America being nuked because 'we' (Our GOV'T, not really US) keeps on poking one bear or another.
Cause they did it as they'd threatened
Those poor fish and birds
Interesting, German NPR had an article back in August (03.08.22) called "US navy zeigt flagge in der ostlichen ostsee". As translated by Google, "A total of 4,000 US soldiers, helicopter pilots, naval infantrymen, doctors, strategists are on their way east. On Wednesday morning at around 6 a.m., the association has already passed the Danish island of Bornholm, then the Americans switch off their automatic ship identification systems (AIS) and can no longer be located without further ado." Coincidence?
If I were Putin I would attack it in a way I could repair it quickly instead of waiting for someone else to do it sloppy. Also it would put blame on the US during the winter
He's part of the globalist take-over
I don’t believe Russia could legally just stop the flow of gas; this is why they had “maintenance issues” on NS1 instead of just giving the Germans the middle finger. Russia has thus far played by the rules, unlike the US and NATOstan.
I personally lean toward a Russian false flag op, mostly because the US attacking the pipelines would be too obvious. Russia wanted to cut Europe off anyway, and now they can blame the US.
We will probably never know with 100% certainty who did this because I doubt anyone will admit it. But over time it will become obvious. Just like it’s obvious by now that the US government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks.
Whoever wants the war to continue would want the pipelines destroyed
Why would Putin destroy the pipeline when he can turn it on and off at will? He wouldn't.
This is an act of war.
"This is an act of war."
Yup... against both countries - actually.
They don't care about their "NATO allies".They will destroy all of Europe if it gets them an inch closer to the destruction of Russia.
Has Russia been substantially hurt by this war outside of losing the life of soldiers? Is it experiencing any of the effects that Europe and the West are experiencing? From what I understand, Russia is NOT having a problem.
If you step back, this war has hurt Europe and to a much lesser extent, the US.
So consequently, if they decide to do more to "hurt Russia" it will likely only hurt Europe and the US.
Who does that benefit? The WEF. Who wants all nations to be third world nations.
Sanctions to fight Putin are like the lockdowns for covid and promoting Floyd riots for the sake improving racial relations. The media runs cover while we are the intended victims every time.
This is certainly not what I hear from Russians that I know (I was born in USSR and lived in Russia for a while, so I know many). They say that all is basically going down the drain. Companies closing, clients leaving (can't pay), prices increasing. So many of those better off (in large cities), they already lost their normal life, future perspectives. And for what, may I ask? Hundreds of thousands left the country, most highly qualified (that before the recent "mobilization", now way more).
Then, what do you compare it with? Leaving on a pension of 200 USD, or on a salary of 300-400 USD (very good one f. ex. for a doctor (!) in the area I'm familiar with), you are probably not going to feel much yet, because you didn't have much before. High prices for gas? Many areas in Russia don't have gas at all. A suburb of St. Petersburg where some people I quote live, there is no working heating at this time of year yet, and it's very typical.
I stand corrected. I'm just repeating things I've seen online which may or may not be true. Thank you for clarifying.
If this was about the biolabs and they're destroyed, well then, this should stop. Putin should stop punishing his own people, and the West should stop punishing their own people.
However, I doubt that it will stop, since I think Putin, Z and the those behind the punishment are all on the same side.
Yes, I also think that they might be on the same side, one way or another.
US is willing to fight not only to the last Ukrainian, but also to the last European.
Not saying he did it, but if he did and then pinned it on the US or the Green Cult, then he would look like a victim and gain sympathy across the world. Just shutting off the pipeline? He'd be labeled a murderer of poor old people.
No one cares what Putin says in the West anyway, he would be a "villain" either way. Just don't see the reason to make such an expensive and complex operation when the pipeline is not operational anyways. Interesting how it happened literally a day after reports in media about rallies in Germany to open NS2. Saying "Ukrainians" did it is ludicrous - while I have no doubts they would love to permanently shut it down, they simply do not have the means to do something like that. Technologically, it could only be US/NATO or Russia, and the only side with the motive is US/NATO. It's them who did every dirty trick in the playbook to stop it and destroy other infrastructure, why would it be any different now. It's revenge for the referendums and the almost inevitable return of those lands to Russia.
My gut tells me you are 💯
Everybody here is simply speculating. My own speculation is that blowing up his own pipeline and then blaming it on the USA or NATO will give Putin the excuse he wants to extend the war to the Baltic states.
If Russians could pull this off in spite of heavy NATO presence, so much for NATO "expensive" protection then. Why would Germans pay for it?
Many wars begin due to miscalculation. After Trump's defeat (he WAS tough on the Russians, despite media propaganda to the contrary) and then Biden's embarrassing withdrawal from Afghanistan, Putin may have calculated that he could invade Ukraine with minimal consequences beyond a lot of huffy rhetoric and pathetically limited sanctions.
That didn't turn out to be the case exactly, but doubts remain as to how deeply committed NATO is to resisting Russian aggression. So increasing the pressure by taking the war to, say, Lithuania in an attempt to create a corridor between the Kaliningrad district and Putin's satrapy in Belarus, would be doubling down on the Ukraine bet.
By the same token, blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines would increase the pressure on Europeans to cry uncle during a harsh winter.
Like I said, we are all speculating here and the above considerations are not implausible.
Spending billions of dollars and many years to build a complex system only to blow it up as an excuse must be a special definition of insane. Russia would be much better off simply with the operational NS2 and good trade relations with Germany. I see a much more obvious beneficiary here. And the definition of "aggression" depends on who you ask - those who lived under constant bombing for eight years just because they are Russian may disagree with you. But, again, they are Russian, and thus deserve to be exterminated either way, right? No wonder the deafening silence about those people in any mainstream media in the West. Goes against the "narrative"
I don't think Putin is insane, I think he's desperate. The war hasn't gone nearly as well as expected and admitting failure could be fatal for him personally. In these circumstances, it is not inconceivable that he would roll the dice by opening a new front where he can claim to be defending against an "act of war."
Regarding this nonsense about "Russians deserve to be exterminated," this is your thought, not mine, and an irrelevant one.
That said, I have not believed a single thing coming out of the Russian side since 2014 when they sent out a tweet (whoops!) boasting about the downing of a "Ukrainian military plane" and it turned out to be the Dutch airliner, then they claimed it wasn't them who did it. The same year, after invading Crimea they claimed to overwhelmingly win a "referendum" for joining Russia where the ballot boxes were made of clear glass and the ballots went in unfolded for everyone to see how the person voted.
Like the release of Rona?
Like the release of mRNAona?
God it is depressing being a Westerner these days. Whenever there is a filthy dirty trick or something colossally stupid we know it's 'our side' that did it.
We know just from how stupid it is and/or how filthy it is. We don't have to look any further.
And, truly, sitting at home writing these armchair opinions the feeling of faint alarm slowly grows in the background: when are they going to come knocking on my door?
If you are, say, a member of the Chinese nomenclatura, it must be a baffling sight, a mixture of watching a train wreck and watching somebody shoot themselves in the foot, and all the time you think "Surely they can't be THAT stupid..oh yes, they can. OK. Well, but surely they can't be so stupid as to...ok, oh well, here we go again."
The same feelings looking at them still clinging to zero covid in 2022.
The simplest explanation is that "Western" governments are now a skinsuit occupied by people who hate Western Europeans? Is e.g. Merrick Garland a "Westman"? Is Anthony Blinken?
And who do they NOT hate? Russians? Ukrainians (sending them to slaughter)? US citizens (who are "deplorables" and "domestic terrorists")? Canadians? Australians? Chinese? Middle Easterners? South Americans? Africans? I seriously struggle to find any group they love (except when they use them for their means). It's keeping everyone apart and fighting each other is what lets them get away with all they do for so long.
They appear to not hate the fellow psychopaths within their cabal. They appear to hate all good, normal, healthy people who do not grovel before their alleged superiority.
I have a simple explanation.
I believe it is because the motivation for them all is money.
They see themselves as simply businessmen increasing the profits of the companies they work for.
Company directors and such they are actually required by law to put company profits ahead of all else. Companies are not required to act in the best interests of their employees nor of the country within which they are.
They can turn a blind eye to the social consequences of their actions, their decisions, and flatter themselves that they've simply performed their duty well.
America - all Western nations but particularly the USA - is simple corporation. A group of corporations. It can be considered as one vast corporation.
And its sole interest is maximising profit.
Promoting wars.
Destroying other nations.
Promoting insane virus scares and 'remedies'.
'War on drugs'.
Anything and everything can be monetized and then it becomes subject to that imperative: promote that which maximises profit.
The whole, the entire, the sole, the public justification for the systematic perversion of human rights in Europe, the interference in national politics, the murder of thousands of young men is simply to 'weaken Russia and Europe'. Not from fear they will come and wage war on the USA. But from fear they will reduce America's profits.
The total ineptitude and apparent insanity, incoherence, irrationality of what they do can be seen to be explained by this mechanism, too. For they are at odds with each other, leads to conflicting and irrational choices, actions. They are greedy for immediate short term gain, leads to irrational actions when considered in the long run. They are without deep expertise in consideration of ramifications which leads to ill considered manipulations and coercions which eventually come back and bite them. They are by definition without humane or human considerations which leads to actions which will have social implications and results that will be counter productive but they don't see that.
and so on.
The people have no leaders representing the people.
WEF Satanists?
Certainly one possibility. They don't invite us to their meetings...
Psychopaths and Sociopaths in a secular explanation some prefer. The book "Political Ponerology" offers a perspective from Eastern Europe.
When they do come knocking, it was R hackers who broke into your wifi and posted these unsavory opinions.
SURE! We're living in the bestest Germany of All Times! Mrs Merkel said so and I cannot remember ever not agreeing with her!
@ bird
Ah, right.. of course...
More importantly, what are you going to do when they do?
I will go meekly along with them, Of course. What else?
I mean, it more or less takes a negotiated peace off the table no? Pipeline sanctions are now a moot point, if there are no pipelines that are functional
yes, this seems to be the purpose.
On the other hand - if the Russians can prove it was done by a western power, isn't that tantamount to a declaration of war?
"Russia Propaganda" "Russian disinformation" "Don't believe your ears or eyes!" "Find out the latest on CNN about Russian lies against the US", "Get your 6th booster. Its the safest yet!"
How does one "prove" something, when anything you say is considered misinformation and propaganda? Russia on a country-level is the equivalent of mRNA skeptics who are questioning "the Science".
People sometimes just immediately cover their ears and go "lalalalala" or "no no no, myocarditis is more common from covid!" "no no no no, that Harvard, Stanford, ULCA combined paper is wrong. lalalala." "no no no no, VAERS, UK Yellow Card, This and that reporting system is wrong. Myocarditis comes more from covid. Lalalalala."
The same thing would happen if you tried to convince them the US just murdered citizens of an allied country, in effect, by forcing them to freeze to death this winter. (Not really but maybe).
Bingo.
"How does one "prove" something, when anything you say is considered misinformation and propaganda? Russia on a country-level is the equivalent of mRNA skeptics who are questioning "the Science"."
The US GOVERNMENT (CIA) is responsible for so much tragedy, death, destruction and foreign country take overs. It just doesn’t surprise me anymore. I love my country. I despise my government.
Unlikely they would be able to "prove" it -- the leak presumably occurred in "NATO" waters, where Russians would almost certainly not have the capability to monitor all NATO submarine movements. On the other hand, NATO almost certainly has the ability to monitor Russian submarine movements in these waters, so if the Russians did it the proof would already be on CNN.
Who watches CNN? LMAO!
When "Covid" first started I felt lik ewe are in a secret war of some kind -- and now I also feel that way. A "war" that they keep telling us isn't a war.
Agree. I judge it is now apparent that "they" have been at war with us for much longer than we realized. Generations? Evidently.
It's an information war, and the forces against the people-- aka the government and the media-- are winning.
What happened to Trump woke a lot of people up to how dirty government and media are. Covid just woke up a lot more. Truth will win.
They definitely are trying hard, and still have the majority of the people believing their lies, but you saw through the lies enough to get where you are today, and I see more people seeing through every day. The majority are followers and will come over when enough of us say no to the lies. This is what Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn believed: https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-lies
There is something else to note in the US.
I've found most of the people I know (liberal, over 50) do NOT accept the truth about C0VID. At all.
However, they are open to learning things about the WEF and CBDCs. So even though their minds are closed on one topic (COVID) it doesn't mean their minds are closed on all topics.
The German government does not realize that German industry is finished without cheap Russian energy and commodity inputs. The destruction won't happen overnight, it will take a few years for companies to relocate, go bust or to shut down operations. We will go the way of Greece without the family ties and family support networks. It will get ugly when system after system collapses slowly. Industrial style healthcare, care for the elderly, welfare payments, pension systems, they will all collapse within the next ten years.
For me it is quite clear that Germany will no longer be a rich country in a few years. To make up for the loss of wealth, we will surely get a nice totalitarian state, much better than the good old DDR.
I absolutely agree. We're fucked, and we don't even have community or family support networks the way people do that are used to the ineptitude of politicians and government officials.
Yes, I agree. But I personally draw the line at accepting being fucked. It is up to us to be the sane ones, to form family & community networks to go against the politicians, government, corporate idiots who are working to dominate us all. Nothing means F’all if we don’t. Allowing these cretins to win without a fight is seriously wrong.
Time to awaken. Time to see through the lies, or be enslaved/erased, no?
That's a good point about the family support networks. I'm American, but living in an Asian country right now. The family networks here make a huge difference in quality of life, and getting things done in general. They are vital if something goes wrong. Wealth let people in the US drift away from their family networks, but without the money, it will get very difficult.
Yeah, when the debt and economic crisis hit Greece, Spain and Italy following the 2008/2009 financial crisis, family members supported each other massively. Grandparents, parents and children often live in a common household and they usually own their homes since generations. All of this is not the case in individualized Germany. We dump our old people into care homes, most Germans don't own their home we have loads of single people living isolated in their flats.
And it's going to take decades to go back to some sort of networks, and older people without a family won't be able to rely on such a network that spans the generations at all.
Yes, it is already very difficult. It is entirely possible we are experiencing the end of the sort of wealth we have become accustomed to around the world. It may be necessary to re learn to be real humans on the earth. If this is true we will need to learn things we have thoroughly forgotten. But regardless of the final form we discover necessary we will need real grounded sanity, families, communities and dispensing with the evil force social media has fostered.
They do realise it.
That is why it is so frightening to be living under this government.
Unfortunately, the German Govt is co-opted and now believes in Utopian unicorns.
Do the people running the government believe in utopian unicorns or are they being paid/bribed to say they believe that?
It is already not a rich country if you look at the median net value of German citizens. At around 50k EUR it's about half that of 'poor' Greece.
That of course doesn't stop the occupational government from squandering our treasure overseas, or shipping the products of our labor out in exchange for devalued printed banknotes.
I know how this movie ends, just not the day or the hour.
And selling off the small-medium family businesses, largest buyer China
Wait until you see how that vast sea of third world "refugees" reacts when all the shit they came there for stops working. Germany is going to find out how thin the veneer of civilization is.
The model is south africa.
The Great Reset. The WEF. Communism 2.0. 'You will own nothing and be happy about it.' The elites such as Schiff Bankers sponsored Bolsheviks, because stealing a state's entire assets/resources and its population's entire current and future labor output/GDP is the greatest corporate profit/scam of all.
I see you are well on your way. Very good.
As a targeted individual I am hesitant to provide more explicit links, but do continue on your path.
Uncover lies going backwards, decade by decade.
President Biden said in early February that in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.”
So WHY would anyone with a functioning brain DOUBT this expressed INTENTION of the leader of the west? Being a German myself - with those kind of "friends" - we don't need no enemy anymore . . .
Maybe consider that the President doesn’t have a functioning brain? He has no clue what comes up on his teleprompter and if he’s speaking off the cuff he makes even less sense. Hey may have been thinking of the Keystone pipeline he so stupidly shut down here. Who knows?
He misspeaks all the time and says stupid things, but it seems like he slips in accidental revelations esp. when he is bragging (a truly venal and vain man IMHO). Still, you are very right to criticize.
Indeed. He can’t figure out how to walk off a stage and no one understands WTH he says. He was a dim bulb before dementia.
Dim or corrupt?
I'm going with corrupt. He might not be the smartest person in the world, but he is getting 10% of what his crack head son is doing. The US government is looking t he other way, so it's all perfectly legal. It's a nice big grift the Xiden's have going, which is something most "smart" people cannot effort.
And his brother is getting 10%. And Hunter is getting 20%.
Total of 40% for the Bidens. Pretty good gig if you can get it.
“Someone” is determined to escalate this conflict into a European war. Putin is mobilizing and the plebiscite in the Russian occupied territories looks like annexation is on the way. Whether it is a free election representing the will of those people is a moot point as Biden will claim it is fraudulent and Putin will claim otherwise. Once the territories are annexxed they will become part of the Russian Homeland and Putin has stated very clearly he will use nuclear weapons to “defend” them against NATO! None of this had to happen. Clinton and Obama played ball with the war cabal at the State and Defense Departments which have been gunning for Putin since his ascendancy. This could well be the ultimate folly of “Regime Change” started by the US and perpetrated with impunity …until now. The millions of Europeans out of work, penniless and freezing in their homes in a few months will have some REAL second thoughts about US “leadership” and where its hubristic corrupt policies have taken them.
Russia will bring peace to the world. Just not in the way we think.
https://narrowpath.substack.com/p/will-russia-bring-peace-to-the-world?r=171xjv&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Someone must REALLY hate Germany; with allies like these, who needs enemies?
True of nearly all nations including all of North America, Europe, Asia, Middle East, Pacific nations, Africa, Caribbean. From the beginning of 2020 and before this was a hostile takeover & intended genocide. Why is tyranny so impossible for people to understand?
Legacy media plays a huge role in deceiving people and pushing them off track...
Yes, worldwide they are WEF 's and government, corporate, mainstream propaganda machines.
Maybe it is by the same folks who are blowing up all the food processing plants and the fuel depots?
And the same who shut down the Keystone pipeline to not rely on fossil fuels?
There is a very interesting interview of Michael Yon by Jordan Peterson that people here might find fascinating. He connects some very terrifying dots along these lines.
Thanks, I will check this out
For months there have been handmade videos online of Russian various facilities in flames.
One speculation in the US is that it is Antifa burning food plants.
The other is that it is the Efff Bee Aye.
If it is the latter, well, the conclusion would be that the USSA is behind it, which Xiden pretty much admitted.
It will be interesting to see if Press Secretary Affirmative Action has to say about this.
One big batch of fires corresponded with the Chinese lining up warships along South America. This was the same time as the 'accidental' clogging of the Suez Canal.
Edit: Speaking of which,
Today's news: 119 forest fires set intentionally in Brandenburg
119 Waldbrände in Brandenburg möglicherweise mit Absicht gelegt
https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2022/09/waldbraende-brandenburg-brandstiftung-vorsatz-oberhavel.html
Press Secty Affirmative Action will say "I don't have any information right now about that."
Bingo
“Everything speaks against a coincidence.”
How cute that they disclaimed "coincidence" when it suited them,
How could they have not installed sophisticated systems to monitor those sites? They monitor the movements of every residents but not those sites?
The pipelines don't have cell phones
I dont doubt the sabotage and i dont doubt the west involvement. Just another strike to heart to the citizens of the west like the dutch farmers being regulated out of business. We shall drift off the face the earth by either starvation or hypothermia. Its all part of the cull.
Don't stop punching, Rob.
You know im a pacifist John 😁
This is CIA/NATO without any possible doubt to me.
The USA are making tons of money selling their gas to Europe and the possibility to be able to blame the Russians for the sabotage was too good to ignore.
Today I can fully understand why the USA are considered the “Big Satan” in many countries around the planet.
The bigger issue is that the US is being run by people who do not have the best interests of the American people at heart. Sound familiar?
Absolutely. It is the same here in France and in Europe in general.
Yes, it is the Eve of Destruction on every parameter in the Xiden USA.
The destruction by USA/NATO makes the most sense, as even here in Germany the protests are getting bigger. And it is not even cold yet.
Scholz would have had to decide between following the German wishes, or adhering to the sanctions.
Now he does not have to make any decision.
A great Merkel-move.
The sanction as alternative-los.
No it doesn’t actually, the country that wins the most does and that’s China. Now China has way more leverage in trade against Russia, they can resell to Europe, and further it breaks ties between allies which further weakens the USA for their plans to take Taiwan.
Interesting point. We are mostly westerners here and we are not immune to the oikophobia that drives many of the suicidal cretins whom we criticize here. "Of course it must have my been my government!" (Guy from Andorra) ;)
I suppose as an American that could be considered defensive thinking... but perhaps there are multiple tacit agendas and alliances of convenience?
They can't resell LNG to Europe at a price that will allow industry to be competitive here.
Lol, the Green "adjacent" journalists are demanding Germany destroy itself to hurt Putin?
Putin and Lavrov must see this stuff, or watch these policies being enacted, in utter bewilderment. How has Europe become ruled by such utter imbeciles?
A lot of plebs like me are watching this unfolding tragedy in Europe and UK in disbelief.
Might I add, a situation inflicted upon us by our mendacious elites and oligarchs.
Putin and Xi are supporters of many of the west's self destructive movements and tendencies. Cash and ideology flow to groups that make massive trouble out of negligible issues. It's inexpensive to sow discord and despondency among your enemies.
Things like racism, which has been reduced to the lowest plausibly achievable level in most Western countries are blown out of all proportion by groups like BLM. The inevitable result is actually an increase in racism in predictable response. Same with trans. If 1 bloke in 200000 wants to cut his dick off, wear a frock, and call himself Dolores, literally no one cares. But ram it down everyone's throats 24/7 and there is predictable push back and life is worse for everyone. Green the same. We have spent my entire life fixing environmental problems, very succcessfully, but there is always one more, and carbon is great because it is invisible, intractable (you don't want to live in a carbon zero civilisation as it won't be a civilisation), and as with all religions the bad stuff will only come after you are dead.
All of these are western ideas and problems, all rooted to a sufficient extent in reality you can't just dismiss them, but there are many interested in keeping these small and diminishing problems at the top of the agenda. Including foreign powers.
Putin is not our friend, and plays all kinds of games against us. The fact that our own hopelessly ignorant leaders are now fully co-opted enemies of their own people has him laughing the loudest.
Agreed. They claim Putin wants to reconstruct the Soviet Empire but they have no idea. He's a nationalist, something antithetical to Bolshevism and to Western Globalist Elites (which is why they will never understand him). They say he's corrupt, which I suppose is true to some degree, a less than basic standard our own politicians couldn't hope to compare to and make no attempt to pretend to do so, but he does at least appear competent and doesn't behave as though he hate's the country and the people he represents.
Putin's rise to power was via helping the oligarch's who raped post-Soviet Russia, but then 'surprise!' he turned on them when he realized there'd be nothing left of Russia if they had their way. He tried to play ball, but the conditions of that game were too heinous.
Since then he's done an admirable job of putting the boot to some of the subversives. But I am curious whether the Gamaleya National Research Center adenovirus also encodes for full s-protein, which would make it equally criminal to the rest of the gene-jabs. To my knowledge though, Russia never mandated them.
Well put, and sadly oh so true.
The Greens have been trying to get Germany to destroy itself for the sake of Gaia for decades.
One of them in Germany have a statement. I can't recall his name which is really annoying but the statement, regarding reactivating a nuclear plant, was to the effect of
"I've been trying to close this plant for 30 years and I won't let them take away my victory now"
On another hand, US neocons were selling "orange revolutions" with the promise the people will live like in "Europe". Unlikely they can sell that pie in the sky any more...
Those collapses were caused by:
1. Putin
2. Trump
3. Climate change.
4. The unvaccinated.
You forgot 5. Racism
They, of course, tried that trick at the start of their rollouts. However, even they had to retire that trick.
Seriously: it were Navy Seals
Parent terrorists at school board meetings.
Add white supremacists.
Ironically, though it could be the Ukrainian Nazis... I guess a stopped clock is right twice a day after all
Who controls and funds those 'nazis'? Who did the 2014 coup? The 2004 coup?
The demon clowns love you to call them 'nazis'. They love flipping your mind with layer uipon layer of misdirection.
Not even trhem would have the gall to blame those strawpeople for the NoGasStream matters.
Deplorables
If you have ANY doubts whatsoever - WHO CUTS LINES BETWEEN RUSSIA & GERMANY - listen to George Friedman from STRATFOR at the Chicago Council on global affairs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r3UiQkW7o8
Title:
"George Friedman, STRATFOR, The Chicago Council, 04.02.2015"
He explains WHO is the most deeply fearful nation on this planet & WHY America has created WorldWar 1, WorldWar 2 & is now creating WorldWar 3 - he explains the FEAR of american leaders of GERMANY & RUSSIA becoming friends and joining forces in a synergy between GERMAN know-how & RUSSIAN natural resources.
FEAR is the hidden, but driving power in any psychopath . . .