Calling for people to be jabbed against their will? Totally legal in Germany. Pointing out that others have called for this? Potentially a violation of the criminal code.
Glad MicLiberal was acquitted. In clown world America, Ricky Vaughn was indicted for making memes that the regime doesn't like. You are right that it doesn't matter what you say or how you say it. The flaming fucking egregious retards must be mocked and ridiculed. Let the spice flow, comrade.
Herd immunity. The best defense to political prosecution/persecution is building the size of the herd being targeted for committing the same "offense." That "criminal" tweet should become everyone's profile picture, shared widely by all who care about free speech. Even those who supported the politicians making the statements they made - and who also support free speech - should "offend."
The best defense is a strong offense. Their intention is to intimidate and cower opposition. Resolve to stiffen one's spine instead, and shout out loud what maybe had been merely a thought. Build the herd. They might pick off a gazelle here or there, but the herd will survive, and thrive.
Are you familiar with the role of the flag-bearer in battle? The line 'em up battles of yore. Armies fighting for lord, king or country would have battle flags that would determine the direction of attack, retreat or annihilation. Flags pressing forward, running to the rear, or on the ground being trampled.
Because flags were so important to the outcome of a battle opposing armies would target the flag bearer. As we entered the age of rifle and automatic fire weapons in the 19th century defenders were able to be more accurate, quickly taking out their targets. The average life expectancy for a flag-bearer on a Civil War battlefield during an assault was about thirty seconds. And if the flag fell to the ground without anyone picking it up the battlefield would become chaotic, disorganized, the soldiers didn't know the direction they were supposed to go. They would all be annihilated.
To avoid that worst-of-all outcome the duty fell to the closest person to the flag to pick it up as the previous flag-bearer was struck. Not only was it their duty, it was their obligation, their sacred honor. And so they did it. Knowing they only had about thirty seconds to live.
Uncommon bravery became common on the battlefield. Because the stakes between winning and losing were so high. The saying, "freedom isn't free" isn't just a slogan. It's the truth.
Reiner Fullmich, all of the political prisoners who carry the flag forward, pressing the attack know it is a war. And how important each battle is. Their efforts are only in vain if nobody else on the battlefield will pick up the flag and carry it forward. If nobody else will because they are afraid to be targeted then that means nobody else believes freedom is worth fighting for.
And for now, to be a casualty in this war for most of us our only risk is imprisonment. Not gaping holes in our chests or skulls. Is freedom worth fighting for? I don't think Reiner would want us to see what's happened to him and quit because he's in jail. That's not what he carried the flag for.
"Next man up" is Steven Bannon's rallying cry now. He says he served the nation once in the Armed Forces and he will serve the nation again behind bars. Next. Man. Up.
Yep. He's reintroduced that term from relative obscurity. I was familiar with it from long, long ago, I also served. Became obscure as mano-a-mano warfare was displaced by remote technology. Fits this generation of information warfare, where combatants are engaged in mano-a-mano battles on the battlefield of ideas. The most proficient removed from the battlefield with censorship and lawfare.
What a name and place to go on the offense against while carrying the flag? Pictures and info on the county health department head who got the lockdown ball rolling in the USA:
I know a German-Canadian professional couple in Berlin who are smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous, and who used to be my very close friends, but they dropped me like an unwanted turd when they found out I was a "Qverdenker". It's still very painful to think about. So yes, I have personally been insulted, defamed and marginalised by the grotesquely abusive and totally unwarranted government propaganda campaigns against the unvaccinated. One does not forget.
"I know a German-Canadian professional couple in Berlin who PRETEND TO BE smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous,..."
FIFY, Arabella.
I have no doubt it is actually YOU that is "smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous."
You're more forgiving than me - I would require an unequivocal acceptance by them of having done wrong, along with an abject apology. (And would in addition re-calibrate my view of them downwards.) But then that's why I don't have any golf partners left. :-)
And you just may find out in the later stages of life suffering these fools gets harder and harder each day. When you shrug your shoulders and leave them in the past, life becomes simpler and you realize you don't really miss them.
A relative of mine and their spouse are both doctors, the spouse stated that “all the unvaccinated should be shot”. The hypocrisy and irony of that statement obviously eluded them.
It is "doctors" of that ilk who gleefully shot up r̷u̷n̷-̷d̷e̷a̷t̷h̷-̷i̷s̷-̷n̷e̷a̷r̷ ̷ Remdesivir into patients knowing it would kill them, to teach them a lesson and set an example to others (all for a good cause, of course).
Read Dr. Ana Milhalcea's Substack to understand what they probably will do to you if you would meet them. I'm talking about shedding of virus like particles in nano format, nano robots, that have the power to transform you into a cyborg, cause plastic "blood clots" etc. Be happy not to have them around.
On a practical level, I also find it's helpful to just stick with respecting medical privacy— don't ask, don't tell. But it's tricky, I know.
Things are changing, and things will continue to change. I'm really sorry to say this, and I hope I am wrong, but the people to most carefully avoid about the jabs conversations, the ones who get all hot & bothered if you're a Querdenker, I don't think they'll be available for social get togethers anyway in another 5 years. They'll either be in the ground or for the most part unable to leave their house. Again, I hope I'm wrong. But it's Russian roulette to be taking all these jabs, and many are still jabbing. So in another 5 years, who's left? Well, plenty of people. Most of them probably Querdenkers.
I fear that we are, or will be poisoned by other means, surreptitiously, through food, water, air, etc., and if that doesn't work to exterminate us, they might start making use of those c̷o̷n̷c̷e̷n̷t̷r̷a̷t̷i̷o̷n̷ quarantine camps they've built, under the pretext of keeping us, or those around us "safe".
My whole family has been poisoned, so I'm also hoping you and I are mistaken about the coming decade. :-(
Correct, I don't avoid or even think about the possible harms of interacting with my vaxxed friends and family, if I get affected, well, that's God's or the Universe's will, but socializing with friends and family comes first and foremost, can't lose relationships over this psyop and mass democide of the global ruling class.
No, I was talking about http://coronistan.blogspot who claims that vaccinated people shed nanobots that can get into unvaccinated people in their vicinity. I have an open mind on the spike protein shedding theory as I frequently succumb to flu like symptoms when I have mixed with big crowds of vaccinated people for extended periods. However, since I don't believe the theories of nanobot laced vaccines anyway, I'm certainly not going to believe that not only are they are being shed by vaccinated people, but that they can actually enter the bodies of the unvaccinated.
Forgiveness and trust are two different things. Forgiveness is undeserved but offered generously; trust, however, needs to be earned. You can forgive someone ( and God bless you for being so willing to), but wisdom would suggest caution in trusting them again unless trustworthiness is demonstrated.
Nothing wrong with forgiveness, so long as they are honestly changing... although you'd never be certain how true they would be when the next witch hunt came 'round :-(
Would they have any moral compass to guide them through the next psyop?
Yes. And it's always the few that stand up to tyranny.
But it does suck to be stuck between a "live and let live" and "leave me the eff alone" mentality. The problem is, is that if the later is not the case, the former will only make the later worse.
What else are we going to do?...to know the truth is to know it will make you "mad"...in both senses if the word.
Most don't get that because they couldn't take it.
Where would they have found one of those? They couldn't even navigate a cold virus or see through a bunch of freaks in scrubs jumping around in TikTok videos.
If you are asking me why I would still welcome my Berlin friends back (I am getting lost on these sub-threads), it is because love is stronger than having been wounded, and I do not consider love to be a weakness. But when I say, "if they would only let me", I mean that they would first need to understand what they had done to me, and they will clearly never be able to do that in this lifetime, so the point is moot.
Why not offer to take a PCR test just before the dinner, and then if they let you attend bring a large handbell with you and ring it loudly as you walk through the door and around the house shouting "Unclean! Unclean!". Thereafter, you can depart with a disdainful smile on your face.
Ryan: Agree. The main point of the Psy-Op was to divide the public into hard camps, each pitted against the other. The main point of the Psy-Op was to degrade social cohesion, if not outright destroy it.
It still hurts that even immediate family accused me of being a selfish b!tch and said I was trying to kill my own mother. They have all died, lost their partners or are vaccine injured……
Our priest had told us to "take one for the team" (take the jabs) and treated us as selfish for not getting jabbed "to protect others". He was perfectly fine with closing the church doors to the unjabbed. Well, when it got to be mainstream news that taking the jabs did NOT prevent transmission of the virus, there was no apology from him. But there was karma for him. He took all the jabs and then had to have his foot amputated due to neuropathy.
I ceased going to my local Lutheran church because it acquiesced without so much as a whimper to the dictates of our state's petty tyrants and closed their doors to the congregation just when we needed our religion and our church most. If when push comes to shove your church does the wrong thing, what good is it?
It's painful isn't it? I'm sure we all have similar experiences we could share. One that sticks out for me is from the time of "Vaccine passports" here in NZ, when a very close young relative died suddenly (that's another story in itself). We were under the abhorrent "traffic light system" and if there were to be more than a certain number at an event it could be for "passport" holders only. It was very upsetting, but I was casually told (as though it was perfectly normal) that yes I could come to the funeral, no problem, but that I would have to stand outside, no problem. Suggesting that was bad enough - but I would have had to have been excluded from any of the normal grief sharing social functions afterwards, because of being unable to go into an event centre, cafe or bar without a "passport". Now that this craziness has ended the people that did this to us "Qverdenkers" seem oblivious to the distress it caused and still causes. If it ever gets mentioned it's with a "we need to move on - it's over" type of attitude. Anyway - hugs to you - you are not alone xx
I'm in Ireland...we had the vaccine passports for most things in life....not supermarkets or funerals luckily. Though I stopped going to funerals anyway...to hard to listen to all the s/he was so young and do healthy🤷♀️. Lost a lot of lifelong 'friends' (40 yrs plus) and starting all over again. The past few years have changed me forever.
As an American, I was stunned during the virus hysteria crisis to find that good old New Zealand had become ruled by jack-booted thugs. My psyche and worldview - along with millions upon millions of other Westerners' - will never be the same.
Never forget what was intentionally done, as policy, with malice, by those setting the rules - long after they were in a position to know better (and certainly did, despite how they may now try to portray things).
I'll never forget such things, either. I know a lot of peeps like these. They've all had 5 or more jabs and they're going to keep on taking whatever jabs the TV and their doctors recommend for them. They're mystified as to why anyone "educated" and "decent" wouldn't line up along with them, and from Querdenkers / anti-vaxxers / anyone who merely raises an eyebrow over any of this O Holy Covidian Credo Crap they cringe from and rage about in nauseous horror. I've seen it.
And now, mid-2024, it seems they're not going to be taking a different path to the one they're already on. I wouldn't want to trade places with them.
And you know, the world's a big place, full of wonders and wonderful people.
It's sad but better for you that you had to find out that their warmth and openheartedness was not truly genuine and more conditional and superficial... better to find out now than in a time of crisis, need, or vulnerability.
Imagine if you'd had to realize this in one of the latter situations.
Great shame on them (to what extent such people are actually capable of shame), and kudos to you for being true and holding to principles. You truly deserve better company/friends.
Just as heartbreaking is the loss of true friends, who took the vax for the advertised reasons but were accepting of those of us who chose not to, dying quickly of turbocharged cancers previously under control.
True. Still, it can be a terrible shock, and take time to heal. The older I get, the faster I heal. I'm tough to kill and I'm generally very cheerful. Lol.
Maybe they're funny. The other things, definitely not. More the opposite - thick, anti-intellectual, uneducated, cold hearted, and cruel. Consider the effects on you of their treatment toward you. Would you treat someone else the way they treated you?
It can be even harder when this happens within a family. We have all changed, some have stayed the same, or are just drifting in a different direction. And yes, if you can open your heart and forgive, that is a wonderful and positive experience that benefits all involved.
Yep. During the "hard lockdown" here in NZ, scads of Kiwis reported to the police the OUTRAGE of lone people walking on the beach (where no one else was, of course) to get some fresh air instead of being shut in for weeks in their own homes or apartments. Why, those dissident beach-goers were putting at RISK ... um ... shorebirds ... or ... um ... fish!
If the type of people that would do this were honest with themselves, they'd realise they were only outraged at the lone beach walker or surfer, because they themselves were too cowardly to do likewise.
That is what "liberalism" leads to isn't it: people "turning you in" to gain favor with the state implementors of lawfare. Like the Phil Ochs song: "Love Me, I'm a Liberal."
RG, thats what Hitler, Mao and Stalin did. Red youth bridgades turning their parents and teachers into the authorities. Indeed cheap authoritarians, but it can backfire as what almost happened in Tienneman Square revolution.
Hence the reason we love reading your commentary, especially when you say what you said in your final paragraph, especially about the flaming fucking egregious retards! HAHAHA.
"I’m happy to say MicLiberal was acquitted yesterday" - it was a relief to read that.
"Culturally and politically, those were the darkest months I have ever lived through; they changed my life forever and I will never forget them". Just as I feel, word for word. I was a child during WW2 and I remember the deaths of relatives but I don't remember any sense of repression as we have experienced. I had a cousin who was in the British army in Germany during the war, who in the 1950s went cycling in Germany and made a friend with someone who had been in the German army. They said each might have killed the other 10 years prior. That's my world, enemies become friends.
I lived in Germany in the 1960s and 1970s as the child of a UK meteorologist. We didn't live 'on camp', but in local housing. My dad had spent the last two years of WW2 forecasting for Bomber Command, giving briefings to the crews tasked with destroying Germany's war machine. Our neighbour was a highly decorated german fighter pilot. It wasn't as if he hid it either , as there was a display cabinet in their living room with his medals in it. We became firm friends and even after we moved away would visit regularly. There seemed to be (despite my tender years) a sense of relief that despite the tragedies and insanity of the past we could treat each other just as people and get on with life in what was then a busily rebuilding Germany. Contrast the attitudes of the generation of my parents and our neighbours , who has been at war with each other, with nowadays, where differences in the ideas people hold to can prevent them from speaking to their family. Even worse (as in the case reported here) , simply repeating others' statements made in public can get you arrested and charged. Utter madness.
I think the opposite is true, our betters never stop looking/preening in the mirror except their mirrors work like reverse-Pictures of Dorian Grey, no matter how ugly their deeds and thoughts, they always only see brave defenders of freedom and protectors of the oppressed.
Being elite and powerful means being able to afford only self-flattering mirrors, where you're never not perfect and beautiful and all your ugly faults are reflected onto others.
just like the true believers of the various Communist revolutions of the 20th century, there is no level of disaster that will ever get these people to admit fault, error or any kind of guilt.
they will cling till death to the purity of their vision and intentions, while saving all their rage and hatred for we recalcitrant humans who refused to be molded to their precise specifications.
it just seems to be an iron law of every species of "benefactor of humanity" that they end up hating all the people they'd claimed to want to help/save.
Absolutely. This one has really stretched my understanding as to what I ever thought could be possible in a “democratic” country with - supposedly - accountable public figures.
Perhaps Eugyppius can elaborate on possible legal moves for MicLiberal now that he's been acquitted. Can such a person under German law file suit against the prosecutors in civil court? Or, does the fact that the Regional Court allowed the prosecution to proceed automatically make the prosecutors immune from civil actions (akin to a "malicious prosecution" suit here in the U.S.)?
yes, here in the US it would certainly be worth considering.
These turds have no shame. They get away with so much, mainly because we do not have the funds to sue and counter sue. Lawyers and representation is expensive/
The stupidity with the woke liberal mob knows no bounds.
What is really funny it that those so called tolerant and inclusive people are the most intolerant people out there. If you don't agree with their wrapped logic you will be cancelled and prosecuted.
It is really sad that he western world is slowly being destroyed by liberal idiots from within and uncontrolled mass immigration/invasion. The same liberal idiots will also be the first to cry once they will be the victim of their own policies.
It's being destroyed by the cowards who won't stand up to the idiots. They're not that much of an opposition, really; they're unwilling even to take a stand on the question of what a woman is. People so mentally unstable and divorced from reality can win only because people who know better are afraid to oppose them.
Here is the USA we have something similar occurring. We call this type of prosecution, “lawfare”. The purpose in bringing folks to trial under inventive/novel interpretation/application of law is never to further the concept of justice, but rather to subvert justice and punish political opponents. The object is to bankrupt your opponent through bringing myriad charges in as many jurisdictions as possible such that the defendant must spend time and money defending himself. Few defendants have enough financial resources to survive such an attack. In short, the accusation itself is the punishment as here in the USA, there is no recompense for defending yourself successfully against such charges.
I suspect everyone in Germany follows our most egregious example of lawfare, the current trials of ex-President Trump. But the Trump travails are only one of many such cases now occurring. Here in my State, there are several trials just beginning that involve residents who had the audacity to question the 2020 elections. The laws being used are ones of sedition and conspiracy—the individuals accused having little financial resources to fight such in the courts.
The message is clear here. Free speech is no longer “free” and there is a price to be paid when you are on the losing side of any political debate, so best to keep your mouth shut and your head down in these matters. Political decisions are for your betters to make.
At least here there is a chance for recompense with malicious prosecution suits. I know there is a high bar for this, and more money, but there's always Give-Send-Go.
Yep. A lesson to be learned here is how all these events are turned into a “moral issue” that Leftist claim the “side of the angels” on. By claiming moral superiority, they can do the most evil and wicked things to rather mundane and innocent folk.
It is precisely people keeping their heads down and mouths shut that not only strengthens the oppressor(s), but then emboldens them and leads to an intensification and multiplication of such criminal behaviour.
It is incumbent on all who would not want to live in totalitarianism to speak up and speak truth as often as possible.
This is true in theory, but not so straightforward in practice. Consider the hundreds and hundreds of people rounded up after the Jan 6, 2021 protests in our Capital, Washington DC. They too were speaking up, but nevertheless tracked down and imprisoned in solitary confinement—some for close to two years— pending trial or plea deal—no presumption of innocence, no bail allowed. One was an 80 yo grandmother on chemo-therapy for her cancer. For her to remain in jail and go to trial was a death sentence.
An object lesson was made with these people. If you have family and other responsibilities, you do not wish to be the “nail sticking up”.
He actually said "Screw your freedom!", but yeah, bigger morons are a rarity, coming from an immigrant who came to a country that purports to be a beacon of freedom.
Had he shame, he would be backtracking and explaining how he has seen the error of his former ways, but I'm not holding my breath.
considering Germany's recent "troubles" with coerced medical procedures you'd have thought it would be the last place to try that sort of shite, but somehow they ignored the obvious lessons of history and the letter of the law and went and did it!
No doubt about it UNLESS their elections are as phoney as Biden’s 81 million!!! As if a sane population could EVER vote for a nappy wearing dementia patient???
AFD is barely in second place. They're a new party and will take some more years to grow their base. I hope they do really well in the upcoming elections but "center-right" (Merkel's party) is up by major numbers.
Meanwhile the prosecution is appealing the acquittal.
MicLiberal talks about it on Twitter, how this is very hard on him emotionally, and he also fears for his financial future.
The aim is of course to make normal citizens afraid to voice their opinions. This is why it was much more loudly covered when young people sing a forbidden song on Sylt, than when an Islamist murdered in Mannheim.
You, Eugyppius, are the exception.
"Normal" people will think twice and thrice before voicing an opinion against the regime
With the regime getting more and more afraid of losing it's grip on the population, they will become much more virulent. They were quite hysteric already before the un-important EU election. They will go to 11 in the coming German elections.
This gets ever more terrifying. How can there be an appeal of an acquittal? Where's the ECHR when you really need it?
I was however personally awoken recently to the opportunities for dull-witted repression available under German law. Some years ago, I posted a review on Google about a hotel restaurant I had been to in the Black Forest. It was OK but not remarkable, and I gave it what I thought was a very fair three stars out of five, with a single short comment about the bread being rather dry: not inedibly, teeth-crackingly, chokingly dry, just (with my usual English understatement) "rather" dry. A couple of weeks ago, I received a notification that my review had been removed, because of a complaint about "defamation". The notion that a hotel would be able to characterise such a review (from so long ago) as defamatory is somewhere between absurd and creepy. But it fits with Eugyppius's accounts of defamation claims made by offended German politicians and at least my experience has not had the financial and emotional consequences visited upon MicLiberal.
I guess the Libs of Tik-Tok account on the awful Mr Musk's hate platform, X, is going to be geo-blocked in Europe at any moment now.
You wrote: "How can there be an appeal of an acquittal?"
Apparently we are spoiled rotten here in the U.S. - where double jeopardy prinicples prevent such madness. Such an appeal should be actionable by MicLiberal for the intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Many nations give the state's prosecutor the ability to appeal an acquittal, for any number of reasons - from procedural snafus (such as lab reports arriving too late to be admitted as evidence, due to the lab in question f.e.) to the prosecutor "knowing" that the acquitted person is guilty (a know career criminal f.e.) but needing more time to come up with more evidence, or the state/prosecution wanting the matter tried in a higher court to establish prejudice.
Rather reasonable stuff. Which can be abused for political reasons, obviously.
Also, in some nations defamation (and slander, libel et c) is not dependent on the information in question being true or false; instead the case hinges on how "public" the complainant is, and if the information was diseminated with intent to cause harm, bodily or otherwise.
It's weird, but it harkens back to old (really old) laws and times, back when dueling was still a thing and the method de jure to settle such things, and it is too useful a tool to use to silence those who use needling remarks to embarass the people in power.
The examples you give are all reasons why a prosecutor might want to postpone the trial, but if the prosecution nevertheless pulls the trigger and backfires, well.... There's a vast canon of case law from the European Court of Human Rights on double jepoardy, or ne bis in idem as bewigged chaps like to call it.
Yes, but while the defendent may appeal to the ECER, the trial goes off as planned, the defendent found guilty or not (or degrees of), fined or jailed, has his/her life upturned justly or not, and then maybe 10-15 years down the line the ECER says "Shame on you!" to the offending nation in case of a politicised trial.
People keep playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. The promise was made that nothing would remain hidden. What is whispered in the ear will be shouted from the rooftops, says Jesus Christ. God's will be done. Amen.
I was utterly taken by the law they settled on to prosecute this person.
“ German Criminal Code (Paragraph 126a). This provision makes it a crime to “disseminate the personal data of another person in a matter that is … intended to expose this person … to the risk of a criminal offence directed against them.”
If I am interpreting it correctly, does it not say you can’t reveal facts about someone who may very well themselves be exposed for having potentially committing a crime?
It's a very bad law, but it's a little less tangled than that. It means you can't disseminate information ('personal data') about a person that will expose them to the criminal offences of third parties. It's been called the 'enemy list' law – the idea is that it criminalises assembling lists of 'enemies' or people who other like-minded criminals might target.
Still, the "personal data" in this case was composed of PUBLIC statements made by the people he quoted. Those people he quoted could not have had any expectation that their PUBLIC statements were really somehow private, such that it could be considered a crime even under that code section to reveal their PUBLIC statements later in a critical compilation - and, like Suzie - I am aghast that the Regional Court could have come to that conclusion. Do the judges on that Regional Court have any clue how stupid this makes them look? Or are they protected in their positions such that they don't care?
So, a stupid law just to protect stupid people who’ve said or done stupid things, from being ganged up on, by other people who may also think they’re stupid and have said or done stupid or criminal things.
It’s prosecution for pre-crime. Somebody might do something at some point in the future, and blame me. Perhaps even a person who hasn’t been born yet. A population who will “Say Nothing and Be Safe” is the desired outcome.
"arguing that MicLiberal had suggested that the people he cited were “perpetrators” and therefore associated them with “fascism.” "
Uh, how does calling people "perpetrators" do that?
Are the German authorities operating on the assumption that all criminality is fascist?
How would they react to this statement?
Compared to the mass murders of perpetrators like Mao Zedong and Josef Stalin, the fascists in Germany from the 1930s are well behind in the body count of innocent victims.
There. I called two Communist dictators mass murderers and perpetrators. Was that bad because I have, in doing so, called them fascists? They were both leaders of their respective Communist party organizations.
The reality is that the people who were quoted have associated themselves with fascism, by (get this) behaving like fascists. The person simply pointing out what they said or wrote is not "associating" anyone with anything. These perpetrators did all of that on their own.
Here in the US, I don't fear citing any person and quoting their posts here, but we're prosecuting people for having the wrong political opinions (as fascists and communists alike will do).
Antifa thugs can burn police stations to the ground, commit multiple assaults, throw incendiary devices into occupied police cars, and take over entire neighborhoods for days on end, and have nothing happen to them for doing these things during a "mostly peaceful" protest, while people who attended a protest against Biden and did nothing violent are accused of insurrection and sedition and sent to the gulag for a very long time-- even those who never actually accepted the offer of the Capitol Police who ushered them into the building, and some who were not even in Washington, DC on the day of the skirmishes. Anyone who attended the January 6 protest, regardless of what they actually did, is automatically now an insurrectionist.
We have an openly criminal president who didn't win his election, who has obvious late stage dementia, and who (to the extent that he has any agency with his tapioca pudding brain) is using the power of government to persecute his opponent, while using the power of media censorship (in true fascist fashion) to smear him at every opportunity.
I am not sure which is worse. In either case, the things that are supposed to define a so-called western liberal democracy are nowhere in sight. Tyranny is sweeping across all such traditional "free" countries, with the only bright points being the former Soviet satellite countries of Eastern Europe.
Yes, those countries understand tyranny, they've lived it, and with this knowledge and lived experience, they quickly see through the hypocrisies of Western governments, and just as quickly recognize their growing totalitarianism.
Glad MicLiberal was acquitted. In clown world America, Ricky Vaughn was indicted for making memes that the regime doesn't like. You are right that it doesn't matter what you say or how you say it. The flaming fucking egregious retards must be mocked and ridiculed. Let the spice flow, comrade.
Herd immunity. The best defense to political prosecution/persecution is building the size of the herd being targeted for committing the same "offense." That "criminal" tweet should become everyone's profile picture, shared widely by all who care about free speech. Even those who supported the politicians making the statements they made - and who also support free speech - should "offend."
The best defense is a strong offense. Their intention is to intimidate and cower opposition. Resolve to stiffen one's spine instead, and shout out loud what maybe had been merely a thought. Build the herd. They might pick off a gazelle here or there, but the herd will survive, and thrive.
Absolutely. This shit should be Streisand-effected to the nines.
Herd immunity for the Zombie Herd.
Possible. But did this principal work out with Reiner Fullmich?
Next man up.
Are you familiar with the role of the flag-bearer in battle? The line 'em up battles of yore. Armies fighting for lord, king or country would have battle flags that would determine the direction of attack, retreat or annihilation. Flags pressing forward, running to the rear, or on the ground being trampled.
Because flags were so important to the outcome of a battle opposing armies would target the flag bearer. As we entered the age of rifle and automatic fire weapons in the 19th century defenders were able to be more accurate, quickly taking out their targets. The average life expectancy for a flag-bearer on a Civil War battlefield during an assault was about thirty seconds. And if the flag fell to the ground without anyone picking it up the battlefield would become chaotic, disorganized, the soldiers didn't know the direction they were supposed to go. They would all be annihilated.
To avoid that worst-of-all outcome the duty fell to the closest person to the flag to pick it up as the previous flag-bearer was struck. Not only was it their duty, it was their obligation, their sacred honor. And so they did it. Knowing they only had about thirty seconds to live.
Uncommon bravery became common on the battlefield. Because the stakes between winning and losing were so high. The saying, "freedom isn't free" isn't just a slogan. It's the truth.
Reiner Fullmich, all of the political prisoners who carry the flag forward, pressing the attack know it is a war. And how important each battle is. Their efforts are only in vain if nobody else on the battlefield will pick up the flag and carry it forward. If nobody else will because they are afraid to be targeted then that means nobody else believes freedom is worth fighting for.
And for now, to be a casualty in this war for most of us our only risk is imprisonment. Not gaping holes in our chests or skulls. Is freedom worth fighting for? I don't think Reiner would want us to see what's happened to him and quit because he's in jail. That's not what he carried the flag for.
"Next man up" is Steven Bannon's rallying cry now. He says he served the nation once in the Armed Forces and he will serve the nation again behind bars. Next. Man. Up.
Yep. He's reintroduced that term from relative obscurity. I was familiar with it from long, long ago, I also served. Became obscure as mano-a-mano warfare was displaced by remote technology. Fits this generation of information warfare, where combatants are engaged in mano-a-mano battles on the battlefield of ideas. The most proficient removed from the battlefield with censorship and lawfare.
Well said FF, wonderful illumination.
What a name and place to go on the offense against while carrying the flag? Pictures and info on the county health department head who got the lockdown ball rolling in the USA:
https://ajvalleyheartsdelight.substack.com/p/saint-claires-royal-rulers
Let the latest Meme War battle begin at Ground Zero.
LOVE
For these people, criticism is one thing they can sometimes tolerate, but mockery is intolerable.
I know a German-Canadian professional couple in Berlin who are smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous, and who used to be my very close friends, but they dropped me like an unwanted turd when they found out I was a "Qverdenker". It's still very painful to think about. So yes, I have personally been insulted, defamed and marginalised by the grotesquely abusive and totally unwarranted government propaganda campaigns against the unvaccinated. One does not forget.
"I know a German-Canadian professional couple in Berlin who PRETEND TO BE smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous,..."
FIFY, Arabella.
I have no doubt it is actually YOU that is "smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous."
That is kind of you to say so. The saddest part of all this is that I would still welcome them back if they would just let me.
You're more forgiving than me - I would require an unequivocal acceptance by them of having done wrong, along with an abject apology. (And would in addition re-calibrate my view of them downwards.) But then that's why I don't have any golf partners left. :-)
And you just may find out in the later stages of life suffering these fools gets harder and harder each day. When you shrug your shoulders and leave them in the past, life becomes simpler and you realize you don't really miss them.
"When you shrug your shoulders and leave them in the past, life becomes simpler and you realize you don't really miss them."
This can't be said enough. I question anyone whose spiritual journey takes them back in this direction. Remember Lot's wife.
What happened to "Lord, forgive them for they know not what they do"?
Great comment.
Yep.
A relative of mine and their spouse are both doctors, the spouse stated that “all the unvaccinated should be shot”. The hypocrisy and irony of that statement obviously eluded them.
It is "doctors" of that ilk who gleefully shot up r̷u̷n̷-̷d̷e̷a̷t̷h̷-̷i̷s̷-̷n̷e̷a̷r̷ ̷ Remdesivir into patients knowing it would kill them, to teach them a lesson and set an example to others (all for a good cause, of course).
How did you do that with "run-death-is-near"?
well said sir
Shake hands ❤️
Cough on them first.
Read Dr. Ana Milhalcea's Substack to understand what they probably will do to you if you would meet them. I'm talking about shedding of virus like particles in nano format, nano robots, that have the power to transform you into a cyborg, cause plastic "blood clots" etc. Be happy not to have them around.
I know all this, but it is impossible to avoid this now and still participate in society, unless one wants to move to unvaxed Africa.
Well, there's nattokinase. Anise tea, dandelion tea, curcumin, garlic.
On a practical level, I also find it's helpful to just stick with respecting medical privacy— don't ask, don't tell. But it's tricky, I know.
Things are changing, and things will continue to change. I'm really sorry to say this, and I hope I am wrong, but the people to most carefully avoid about the jabs conversations, the ones who get all hot & bothered if you're a Querdenker, I don't think they'll be available for social get togethers anyway in another 5 years. They'll either be in the ground or for the most part unable to leave their house. Again, I hope I'm wrong. But it's Russian roulette to be taking all these jabs, and many are still jabbing. So in another 5 years, who's left? Well, plenty of people. Most of them probably Querdenkers.
I fear that we are, or will be poisoned by other means, surreptitiously, through food, water, air, etc., and if that doesn't work to exterminate us, they might start making use of those c̷o̷n̷c̷e̷n̷t̷r̷a̷t̷i̷o̷n̷ quarantine camps they've built, under the pretext of keeping us, or those around us "safe".
My whole family has been poisoned, so I'm also hoping you and I are mistaken about the coming decade. :-(
Try Arizona in the US...
Correct, I don't avoid or even think about the possible harms of interacting with my vaxxed friends and family, if I get affected, well, that's God's or the Universe's will, but socializing with friends and family comes first and foremost, can't lose relationships over this psyop and mass democide of the global ruling class.
Just don't move to a Boer farm and get hacked to death instead
Aha, we have a conspiracy theorist on this thread.
f you mean me, then it sounds from other posts that I am in good company. And I prefer the term "conspiracy factualist".
No, I was talking about http://coronistan.blogspot who claims that vaccinated people shed nanobots that can get into unvaccinated people in their vicinity. I have an open mind on the spike protein shedding theory as I frequently succumb to flu like symptoms when I have mixed with big crowds of vaccinated people for extended periods. However, since I don't believe the theories of nanobot laced vaccines anyway, I'm certainly not going to believe that not only are they are being shed by vaccinated people, but that they can actually enter the bodies of the unvaccinated.
Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality?
About 3-6 months....
Forgiveness and trust are two different things. Forgiveness is undeserved but offered generously; trust, however, needs to be earned. You can forgive someone ( and God bless you for being so willing to), but wisdom would suggest caution in trusting them again unless trustworthiness is demonstrated.
Nothing wrong with forgiveness, so long as they are honestly changing... although you'd never be certain how true they would be when the next witch hunt came 'round :-(
Would they have any moral compass to guide them through the next psyop?
No. They'll REsheep.
They couldn't even give up their Costco privileges for freedom.
Lol. "REsheep" is an excellent term, describing as it does the people eager to buy tickets to every shitty sequel.
Hopefully we also get to "DEsheep" (sooner, rather than later) after we burn down the box office.
DEsheep is perfect.
It's the only way to prevent a REpeat
Agreed, the majority will, but I am always open to those who honestly realize and who exercise contrition and try to be better, that is all.
Yes. And it's always the few that stand up to tyranny.
But it does suck to be stuck between a "live and let live" and "leave me the eff alone" mentality. The problem is, is that if the later is not the case, the former will only make the later worse.
What else are we going to do?...to know the truth is to know it will make you "mad"...in both senses if the word.
Most don't get that because they couldn't take it.
Where would they have found one of those? They couldn't even navigate a cold virus or see through a bunch of freaks in scrubs jumping around in TikTok videos.
Why?
If you are asking me why I would still welcome my Berlin friends back (I am getting lost on these sub-threads), it is because love is stronger than having been wounded, and I do not consider love to be a weakness. But when I say, "if they would only let me", I mean that they would first need to understand what they had done to me, and they will clearly never be able to do that in this lifetime, so the point is moot.
My wife and I had a 20+ year old friendship with another couple terminated by them because we didn't get vaccinated, so I feel your pain.
We've since come to realize that the friends we've made since are far better, truer friends than they ever were.
Fuck 'em....
I was disinvited from the family Thanksgiving get together because my family wasn't vaccinated.
No apologies or acknowledgement whatsoever.
They act as if I'm hung up on it.
Same. I was disinvited to the family Thanksgiving dinner as well because I was unvaccinated.
Why not offer to take a PCR test just before the dinner, and then if they let you attend bring a large handbell with you and ring it loudly as you walk through the door and around the house shouting "Unclean! Unclean!". Thereafter, you can depart with a disdainful smile on your face.
Haha! I should have tried it.
It was all part of the plan with the PSYOP. Probably the most critical aspect for it's success.
Ryan: Agree. The main point of the Psy-Op was to divide the public into hard camps, each pitted against the other. The main point of the Psy-Op was to degrade social cohesion, if not outright destroy it.
It's disgusting....the entire abomination
That's insane, but all too common. The world is filled to the brim with "useful idiots." I never thought I'd see the day.
Me either but here we are. Wheat from the chaff kind of thing
My sentiments exactly.
It still hurts that even immediate family accused me of being a selfish b!tch and said I was trying to kill my own mother. They have all died, lost their partners or are vaccine injured……
Our priest had told us to "take one for the team" (take the jabs) and treated us as selfish for not getting jabbed "to protect others". He was perfectly fine with closing the church doors to the unjabbed. Well, when it got to be mainstream news that taking the jabs did NOT prevent transmission of the virus, there was no apology from him. But there was karma for him. He took all the jabs and then had to have his foot amputated due to neuropathy.
I ceased going to my local Lutheran church because it acquiesced without so much as a whimper to the dictates of our state's petty tyrants and closed their doors to the congregation just when we needed our religion and our church most. If when push comes to shove your church does the wrong thing, what good is it?
Shame on your pastor. Martin Luther would've given him a kick in the backside ...
Now I just got this craving for a cold dish.
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Wow, that's sad, none of them at all accepted you?
It's painful isn't it? I'm sure we all have similar experiences we could share. One that sticks out for me is from the time of "Vaccine passports" here in NZ, when a very close young relative died suddenly (that's another story in itself). We were under the abhorrent "traffic light system" and if there were to be more than a certain number at an event it could be for "passport" holders only. It was very upsetting, but I was casually told (as though it was perfectly normal) that yes I could come to the funeral, no problem, but that I would have to stand outside, no problem. Suggesting that was bad enough - but I would have had to have been excluded from any of the normal grief sharing social functions afterwards, because of being unable to go into an event centre, cafe or bar without a "passport". Now that this craziness has ended the people that did this to us "Qverdenkers" seem oblivious to the distress it caused and still causes. If it ever gets mentioned it's with a "we need to move on - it's over" type of attitude. Anyway - hugs to you - you are not alone xx
I'm in Ireland...we had the vaccine passports for most things in life....not supermarkets or funerals luckily. Though I stopped going to funerals anyway...to hard to listen to all the s/he was so young and do healthy🤷♀️. Lost a lot of lifelong 'friends' (40 yrs plus) and starting all over again. The past few years have changed me forever.
"The past few years have changed me forever". Same.
US here. Same.
It's a before and after event for my family
Is it? Many of my family act as if it was a "nothing" event - just a blip that was inconvenient but manageable by doing as they were told.
Gosh. You just explained it perfectly...and succinctly.
But that's EXACTLY why it's a before and after event for me.
The irony...
As an American, I was stunned during the virus hysteria crisis to find that good old New Zealand had become ruled by jack-booted thugs. My psyche and worldview - along with millions upon millions of other Westerners' - will never be the same.
Never forget what was intentionally done, as policy, with malice, by those setting the rules - long after they were in a position to know better (and certainly did, despite how they may now try to portray things).
I'll never forget such things, either. I know a lot of peeps like these. They've all had 5 or more jabs and they're going to keep on taking whatever jabs the TV and their doctors recommend for them. They're mystified as to why anyone "educated" and "decent" wouldn't line up along with them, and from Querdenkers / anti-vaxxers / anyone who merely raises an eyebrow over any of this O Holy Covidian Credo Crap they cringe from and rage about in nauseous horror. I've seen it.
And now, mid-2024, it seems they're not going to be taking a different path to the one they're already on. I wouldn't want to trade places with them.
And you know, the world's a big place, full of wonders and wonderful people.
It's sad but better for you that you had to find out that their warmth and openheartedness was not truly genuine and more conditional and superficial... better to find out now than in a time of crisis, need, or vulnerability.
Imagine if you'd had to realize this in one of the latter situations.
Great shame on them (to what extent such people are actually capable of shame), and kudos to you for being true and holding to principles. You truly deserve better company/friends.
Apparently your former “friends” aren’t as “smart, highly educated, intellectual, warm, funny, openhearted and generous” as you thought. Their loss.
i think not getting cancer will be worth the loss of fake friends.
Just as heartbreaking is the loss of true friends, who took the vax for the advertised reasons but were accepting of those of us who chose not to, dying quickly of turbocharged cancers previously under control.
Me too, lost our 2 best friends, I would describe them the same way but now we are social pariah to them.
To lose "friends" such as that is to gain.
True. Still, it can be a terrible shock, and take time to heal. The older I get, the faster I heal. I'm tough to kill and I'm generally very cheerful. Lol.
Maybe they're funny. The other things, definitely not. More the opposite - thick, anti-intellectual, uneducated, cold hearted, and cruel. Consider the effects on you of their treatment toward you. Would you treat someone else the way they treated you?
Never.
It can be even harder when this happens within a family. We have all changed, some have stayed the same, or are just drifting in a different direction. And yes, if you can open your heart and forgive, that is a wonderful and positive experience that benefits all involved.
We have always been at war with the Historical Record.
Oceania and Eastasia are wankers.
They are at war this week, the official story is that Oceania is the liberator so they are not wankers, but Eurasia are
lol
😂😂😂
this is hilarious and really disturbing at the same time. I mean history is just a long documentation of people forgetting lessons from history.
I just can't get the image out of my head of those morons in the red guard who would keep clapping until their legs gave out.
'I just can't get the image out of my head of those morons in the red guard who would keep clapping until their legs gave out.'
Huh?
Look up red guard clapping.
There's a lot of GIFS that'll give you an ideal
So true
Rat wins the thread, as the kool kidz say.
This all ends with your neighbors being the henchmen for the surveillance security state.
Just watch. That's the ultimate goal. It's the lowest "acquisition cost" for the state to build out their technocratic neo-feudal state.
Yep. During the "hard lockdown" here in NZ, scads of Kiwis reported to the police the OUTRAGE of lone people walking on the beach (where no one else was, of course) to get some fresh air instead of being shut in for weeks in their own homes or apartments. Why, those dissident beach-goers were putting at RISK ... um ... shorebirds ... or ... um ... fish!
If the type of people that would do this were honest with themselves, they'd realise they were only outraged at the lone beach walker or surfer, because they themselves were too cowardly to do likewise.
Yes, many are cowardly, but don't forget the "low IQ" peeps!
Bingo
Madness.
That is what "liberalism" leads to isn't it: people "turning you in" to gain favor with the state implementors of lawfare. Like the Phil Ochs song: "Love Me, I'm a Liberal."
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
you're right it works every time throughout the history of mankind. you put it succinctly
well the economy is already firmly neo-feudal.
RG, thats what Hitler, Mao and Stalin did. Red youth bridgades turning their parents and teachers into the authorities. Indeed cheap authoritarians, but it can backfire as what almost happened in Tienneman Square revolution.
Agree
Hence the reason we love reading your commentary, especially when you say what you said in your final paragraph, especially about the flaming fucking egregious retards! HAHAHA.
I know, I'm still laughing at that!!!! I need to make a poster and read it every time I'm feeling down!
What a brilliant idea!!! Or put it on a t-shirt!!
LIKE
"I’m happy to say MicLiberal was acquitted yesterday" - it was a relief to read that.
"Culturally and politically, those were the darkest months I have ever lived through; they changed my life forever and I will never forget them". Just as I feel, word for word. I was a child during WW2 and I remember the deaths of relatives but I don't remember any sense of repression as we have experienced. I had a cousin who was in the British army in Germany during the war, who in the 1950s went cycling in Germany and made a friend with someone who had been in the German army. They said each might have killed the other 10 years prior. That's my world, enemies become friends.
I lived in Germany in the 1960s and 1970s as the child of a UK meteorologist. We didn't live 'on camp', but in local housing. My dad had spent the last two years of WW2 forecasting for Bomber Command, giving briefings to the crews tasked with destroying Germany's war machine. Our neighbour was a highly decorated german fighter pilot. It wasn't as if he hid it either , as there was a display cabinet in their living room with his medals in it. We became firm friends and even after we moved away would visit regularly. There seemed to be (despite my tender years) a sense of relief that despite the tragedies and insanity of the past we could treat each other just as people and get on with life in what was then a busily rebuilding Germany. Contrast the attitudes of the generation of my parents and our neighbours , who has been at war with each other, with nowadays, where differences in the ideas people hold to can prevent them from speaking to their family. Even worse (as in the case reported here) , simply repeating others' statements made in public can get you arrested and charged. Utter madness.
Today it seems the most trivial issues can get you threats of death.
Robert Dyson - what a wonderful story
Amen
Absurdistan
every time you think you have read the most egregious free speech prosecution story, you find another one to top it.
they never look in the mirror.
in fact, they avoid at all costs to look in the mirror
I think the opposite is true, our betters never stop looking/preening in the mirror except their mirrors work like reverse-Pictures of Dorian Grey, no matter how ugly their deeds and thoughts, they always only see brave defenders of freedom and protectors of the oppressed.
Being elite and powerful means being able to afford only self-flattering mirrors, where you're never not perfect and beautiful and all your ugly faults are reflected onto others.
Only servants and Deplorables are ugly.
you are correct on that point. They think they are valuable and insist that we listen closely to their instructions.
just like the true believers of the various Communist revolutions of the 20th century, there is no level of disaster that will ever get these people to admit fault, error or any kind of guilt.
they will cling till death to the purity of their vision and intentions, while saving all their rage and hatred for we recalcitrant humans who refused to be molded to their precise specifications.
it just seems to be an iron law of every species of "benefactor of humanity" that they end up hating all the people they'd claimed to want to help/save.
Boy you dug deep on reverse pictures of Dorian Grey...but it's perfect.
thanks
i was born to be wilde ;)
Yes. "Be yourself; everyone else is taken".
What other choice did you have?!
sounds like a moral version of Dunning Kruger
Because, like other bloodsuckers, they don't have reflections.
They don't care. They have no shame.
like Jordan Peterson says, a lot of them are psychopathic
Absolutely. This one has really stretched my understanding as to what I ever thought could be possible in a “democratic” country with - supposedly - accountable public figures.
we keep taking on sock puppets like Biden and Zelensky.
All government attracts and distills psychopathy. No government imaginable can fail to fall victim to this.
A certain type of person wants to be in a government position and tell others what to do and what to think.
The prosecutors here should be ashamed of themselves. They won't be, because they obviously *have* no shame. But they should be.
Correct, they have no shame. But they are truly shameful human beings.
The Milgram and the Stanford Prison experiments prove this reality.
the problem is they don't even need a crime. the process is the penalty.
it achieves the same thing; cowering people so they don't step out of line.
Perhaps Eugyppius can elaborate on possible legal moves for MicLiberal now that he's been acquitted. Can such a person under German law file suit against the prosecutors in civil court? Or, does the fact that the Regional Court allowed the prosecution to proceed automatically make the prosecutors immune from civil actions (akin to a "malicious prosecution" suit here in the U.S.)?
yes, here in the US it would certainly be worth considering.
These turds have no shame. They get away with so much, mainly because we do not have the funds to sue and counter sue. Lawyers and representation is expensive/
I would love to contribute to any crowdfunding mechanism.
True
well put
hahahaha
I'm glad for the acquittal. If you ever run into trouble, I'm happy to contribute to the defence fund.
The stupidity with the woke liberal mob knows no bounds.
What is really funny it that those so called tolerant and inclusive people are the most intolerant people out there. If you don't agree with their wrapped logic you will be cancelled and prosecuted.
It is really sad that he western world is slowly being destroyed by liberal idiots from within and uncontrolled mass immigration/invasion. The same liberal idiots will also be the first to cry once they will be the victim of their own policies.
We can only pray the warped idiots will be the FIRST VICTIMS of their open borders madness!!!!
It's being destroyed by the cowards who won't stand up to the idiots. They're not that much of an opposition, really; they're unwilling even to take a stand on the question of what a woman is. People so mentally unstable and divorced from reality can win only because people who know better are afraid to oppose them.
I presume the prosecutors aren't up for election. And whoever gets elected may not even have the authority to fire them.
It's not a great situation.
Here is the USA we have something similar occurring. We call this type of prosecution, “lawfare”. The purpose in bringing folks to trial under inventive/novel interpretation/application of law is never to further the concept of justice, but rather to subvert justice and punish political opponents. The object is to bankrupt your opponent through bringing myriad charges in as many jurisdictions as possible such that the defendant must spend time and money defending himself. Few defendants have enough financial resources to survive such an attack. In short, the accusation itself is the punishment as here in the USA, there is no recompense for defending yourself successfully against such charges.
I suspect everyone in Germany follows our most egregious example of lawfare, the current trials of ex-President Trump. But the Trump travails are only one of many such cases now occurring. Here in my State, there are several trials just beginning that involve residents who had the audacity to question the 2020 elections. The laws being used are ones of sedition and conspiracy—the individuals accused having little financial resources to fight such in the courts.
The message is clear here. Free speech is no longer “free” and there is a price to be paid when you are on the losing side of any political debate, so best to keep your mouth shut and your head down in these matters. Political decisions are for your betters to make.
At least here there is a chance for recompense with malicious prosecution suits. I know there is a high bar for this, and more money, but there's always Give-Send-Go.
As I heard Steven Bannon say the other day, "the Democrats play smashmouth while the Republicans twiddle their thumbs."
Yep. A lesson to be learned here is how all these events are turned into a “moral issue” that Leftist claim the “side of the angels” on. By claiming moral superiority, they can do the most evil and wicked things to rather mundane and innocent folk.
It is precisely people keeping their heads down and mouths shut that not only strengthens the oppressor(s), but then emboldens them and leads to an intensification and multiplication of such criminal behaviour.
It is incumbent on all who would not want to live in totalitarianism to speak up and speak truth as often as possible.
This is true in theory, but not so straightforward in practice. Consider the hundreds and hundreds of people rounded up after the Jan 6, 2021 protests in our Capital, Washington DC. They too were speaking up, but nevertheless tracked down and imprisoned in solitary confinement—some for close to two years— pending trial or plea deal—no presumption of innocence, no bail allowed. One was an 80 yo grandmother on chemo-therapy for her cancer. For her to remain in jail and go to trial was a death sentence.
An object lesson was made with these people. If you have family and other responsibilities, you do not wish to be the “nail sticking up”.
Yep. The chilling effect is real.
Bravo, eugyppius, for another eloquent defense of actual liberalism!
BTW the phrase, "the tyranny of the unvaccinated," always struck me as meaning "the tyranny of those who won't submit to my demands."
Ahnuld S. said it most succinctly:
"F* your freedoms!"
He actually said "Screw your freedom!", but yeah, bigger morons are a rarity, coming from an immigrant who came to a country that purports to be a beacon of freedom.
Had he shame, he would be backtracking and explaining how he has seen the error of his former ways, but I'm not holding my breath.
He was always a fake tough guy.
Send him back to Austria where they implemented his values big-time.
considering Germany's recent "troubles" with coerced medical procedures you'd have thought it would be the last place to try that sort of shite, but somehow they ignored the obvious lessons of history and the letter of the law and went and did it!
No sh-t
I pray these clowns get smacked down in Germany’s next elections, a la EU parliament. GO AfD!
No doubt about it UNLESS their elections are as phoney as Biden’s 81 million!!! As if a sane population could EVER vote for a nappy wearing dementia patient???
AFD is barely in second place. They're a new party and will take some more years to grow their base. I hope they do really well in the upcoming elections but "center-right" (Merkel's party) is up by major numbers.
Meanwhile the prosecution is appealing the acquittal.
MicLiberal talks about it on Twitter, how this is very hard on him emotionally, and he also fears for his financial future.
The aim is of course to make normal citizens afraid to voice their opinions. This is why it was much more loudly covered when young people sing a forbidden song on Sylt, than when an Islamist murdered in Mannheim.
You, Eugyppius, are the exception.
"Normal" people will think twice and thrice before voicing an opinion against the regime
With the regime getting more and more afraid of losing it's grip on the population, they will become much more virulent. They were quite hysteric already before the un-important EU election. They will go to 11 in the coming German elections.
This gets ever more terrifying. How can there be an appeal of an acquittal? Where's the ECHR when you really need it?
I was however personally awoken recently to the opportunities for dull-witted repression available under German law. Some years ago, I posted a review on Google about a hotel restaurant I had been to in the Black Forest. It was OK but not remarkable, and I gave it what I thought was a very fair three stars out of five, with a single short comment about the bread being rather dry: not inedibly, teeth-crackingly, chokingly dry, just (with my usual English understatement) "rather" dry. A couple of weeks ago, I received a notification that my review had been removed, because of a complaint about "defamation". The notion that a hotel would be able to characterise such a review (from so long ago) as defamatory is somewhere between absurd and creepy. But it fits with Eugyppius's accounts of defamation claims made by offended German politicians and at least my experience has not had the financial and emotional consequences visited upon MicLiberal.
I guess the Libs of Tik-Tok account on the awful Mr Musk's hate platform, X, is going to be geo-blocked in Europe at any moment now.
You wrote: "How can there be an appeal of an acquittal?"
Apparently we are spoiled rotten here in the U.S. - where double jeopardy prinicples prevent such madness. Such an appeal should be actionable by MicLiberal for the intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Many Tweets on X are blocked in Germany, this is why many Germans tell their location is a different country.
The EU already works on the "European Democracy Shield", to shield us from the wrong opinions.
some of us are working on turning platforms into distributed protocols for self hosting mesh networks.
Basically it means blanket bans would be impossible.
Many nations give the state's prosecutor the ability to appeal an acquittal, for any number of reasons - from procedural snafus (such as lab reports arriving too late to be admitted as evidence, due to the lab in question f.e.) to the prosecutor "knowing" that the acquitted person is guilty (a know career criminal f.e.) but needing more time to come up with more evidence, or the state/prosecution wanting the matter tried in a higher court to establish prejudice.
Rather reasonable stuff. Which can be abused for political reasons, obviously.
Also, in some nations defamation (and slander, libel et c) is not dependent on the information in question being true or false; instead the case hinges on how "public" the complainant is, and if the information was diseminated with intent to cause harm, bodily or otherwise.
It's weird, but it harkens back to old (really old) laws and times, back when dueling was still a thing and the method de jure to settle such things, and it is too useful a tool to use to silence those who use needling remarks to embarass the people in power.
The examples you give are all reasons why a prosecutor might want to postpone the trial, but if the prosecution nevertheless pulls the trigger and backfires, well.... There's a vast canon of case law from the European Court of Human Rights on double jepoardy, or ne bis in idem as bewigged chaps like to call it.
Yes, but while the defendent may appeal to the ECER, the trial goes off as planned, the defendent found guilty or not (or degrees of), fined or jailed, has his/her life upturned justly or not, and then maybe 10-15 years down the line the ECER says "Shame on you!" to the offending nation in case of a politicised trial.
As Mark Steyn has often observed (and personally suffered) the process is the punishment.
Jeezy! This needs to go to the top of the thread! He needs to set up a Give Send Go! I'll donate!!!!
Right there with you!
Me, too
People keep playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. The promise was made that nothing would remain hidden. What is whispered in the ear will be shouted from the rooftops, says Jesus Christ. God's will be done. Amen.
Amen
I was utterly taken by the law they settled on to prosecute this person.
“ German Criminal Code (Paragraph 126a). This provision makes it a crime to “disseminate the personal data of another person in a matter that is … intended to expose this person … to the risk of a criminal offence directed against them.”
If I am interpreting it correctly, does it not say you can’t reveal facts about someone who may very well themselves be exposed for having potentially committing a crime?
So, it’s a crime to report on a possible crime?
Help me out here!
It's a very bad law, but it's a little less tangled than that. It means you can't disseminate information ('personal data') about a person that will expose them to the criminal offences of third parties. It's been called the 'enemy list' law – the idea is that it criminalises assembling lists of 'enemies' or people who other like-minded criminals might target.
Still, the "personal data" in this case was composed of PUBLIC statements made by the people he quoted. Those people he quoted could not have had any expectation that their PUBLIC statements were really somehow private, such that it could be considered a crime even under that code section to reveal their PUBLIC statements later in a critical compilation - and, like Suzie - I am aghast that the Regional Court could have come to that conclusion. Do the judges on that Regional Court have any clue how stupid this makes them look? Or are they protected in their positions such that they don't care?
Ah.
So, a stupid law just to protect stupid people who’ve said or done stupid things, from being ganged up on, by other people who may also think they’re stupid and have said or done stupid or criminal things.
I get it.
Jeesh. Talk about Nanny government!
lol
would it work if you faintly praised all those posts?
It is hard to spot parody nowadays,
That would be funny.
It’s prosecution for pre-crime. Somebody might do something at some point in the future, and blame me. Perhaps even a person who hasn’t been born yet. A population who will “Say Nothing and Be Safe” is the desired outcome.
"arguing that MicLiberal had suggested that the people he cited were “perpetrators” and therefore associated them with “fascism.” "
Uh, how does calling people "perpetrators" do that?
Are the German authorities operating on the assumption that all criminality is fascist?
How would they react to this statement?
Compared to the mass murders of perpetrators like Mao Zedong and Josef Stalin, the fascists in Germany from the 1930s are well behind in the body count of innocent victims.
There. I called two Communist dictators mass murderers and perpetrators. Was that bad because I have, in doing so, called them fascists? They were both leaders of their respective Communist party organizations.
The reality is that the people who were quoted have associated themselves with fascism, by (get this) behaving like fascists. The person simply pointing out what they said or wrote is not "associating" anyone with anything. These perpetrators did all of that on their own.
Here in the US, I don't fear citing any person and quoting their posts here, but we're prosecuting people for having the wrong political opinions (as fascists and communists alike will do).
Antifa thugs can burn police stations to the ground, commit multiple assaults, throw incendiary devices into occupied police cars, and take over entire neighborhoods for days on end, and have nothing happen to them for doing these things during a "mostly peaceful" protest, while people who attended a protest against Biden and did nothing violent are accused of insurrection and sedition and sent to the gulag for a very long time-- even those who never actually accepted the offer of the Capitol Police who ushered them into the building, and some who were not even in Washington, DC on the day of the skirmishes. Anyone who attended the January 6 protest, regardless of what they actually did, is automatically now an insurrectionist.
We have an openly criminal president who didn't win his election, who has obvious late stage dementia, and who (to the extent that he has any agency with his tapioca pudding brain) is using the power of government to persecute his opponent, while using the power of media censorship (in true fascist fashion) to smear him at every opportunity.
I am not sure which is worse. In either case, the things that are supposed to define a so-called western liberal democracy are nowhere in sight. Tyranny is sweeping across all such traditional "free" countries, with the only bright points being the former Soviet satellite countries of Eastern Europe.
Yes, those countries understand tyranny, they've lived it, and with this knowledge and lived experience, they quickly see through the hypocrisies of Western governments, and just as quickly recognize their growing totalitarianism.
Agree