The AfD allegedly understand Germanness to be “defined by ethnic descent,” which is “incompatible with the free democratic basic order" of the Federal Republic.
I must admit that I don't think Britishness encompasses the Pakistani gangs that have drugged, raped and tortured thousands of young girls.
That said, I don't give a shit that people think I'm racist for holding that viewpoint. It is however dangerous to post this under our Two Tier justice system when hurty words result in multi-year sentences.
You're arguing besides the point. An ethnic understanding of Britishness would not only exclude grooming gangs but also people like Rishi Sunak, Sadiq Khan, Kemi Badenoch, Jude Bellingham, Bukayo Saka,...just to name a few. Unfortunately, culture and ethnicity get mixed up all the time in this debate. Of course many Afghan or Pakistani migrants carry aspects of their religious or tribal culture that clash with modern-day Britain or Germany. Saying so isn't racist. But talking about deporting your own citizens because of where their parents or grandparents came from is. I understand why people are worried about AfD because such ideas certainly exist in the party, but they are not the official party line. That's why calls for banning AfD never rest on election programmes, but on stupid comments individual AfD politicians made on some local event after 2 beers. But even if the party as a whole was as racist as it is painted banning a party that's leading the polls would be undemocratic.
Sadick Khan is hardly an example of what it means to be British or someone who is a success story. London is being destroyed under his watch. I suspect he is more loyal to Pakistan and islam than the country he was born in. I would rather use English here. No one can argue he's English
Completely disagree there. No matter what you think of Sadiq Khan as a political actor (I don't like him either BTW!), he's clearly British, and a success story (in "official", mainstream terms at least). I don't think his Muslim background is a good explanation of why his policies are wrong: I'd go for him being part of the Labour machine, and so (necessarily in these days of Starmerism) an absolute devotee of whatever nonsense the machine puts out, as better candidate explanations.
This lumping together of all Muslims (no matter whether devout or not) as all part of some giant plot is no more helpful or explanatory than the same broad brush applied to another Semitic group. Which would lump together Netanyahu, Hannah Arendt (the original and best "self-hating Jew"), and the local very much DGAF-about-Zionism Chasidic Orthodox Jews.
I agree with regard to Khan. He is more an odious opportunist race mechant. But make no mistake, he hates white British people. Remember when he stated that the too whitw picture of London didn't represent his city. He also likes to play the rae card when cornered. He would always be Pakistani first. Also look at the Quran. That's their guiding principle. That's why you have muslim MPs demanding blasphemy and islamophobia laws to protect criticism against their ideology. Europe fought against islam for centuries. Do you now suddenly think that they are coming in peace? It's irrelevant to me whether the majority is peaceful. They are mostly tribal firstly (while white people are individualistic to our disadvantage) and secondly the non-moderates (ie one who follow the commands of the quran) sets the tone. Here you can look at Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and most recently to Syria for examples
Everyone is tribal. Some just more so than others.
“Everyone is tribal and when the churn comes, the tribe shrinks”.
Amos Burton, The Expanse
This was a classic sci-fi series but this is one of the deepest thoughts I’ve read.
The churn is coming, and when it does people retreat into their groups for self protection, “the tribe shrinks”.
The left is forcing a recalibration.
In canada a majority has always favored immigration but that is now destroyed because the excrable liberals opened the floodgates based on the ideology of the Century Initiative, a think tank pushing the idea we need to get to 100 mil by 2100. We are ~40 mil today.
And lest anyone think we fixed it by finally being rid of the awful Trudeau, the even more awful Carney had the head of this century initiative on his election team.
WEF Carney, full speed ahead.
WEF Chuck the 3rd coming to read the throne speech in support of WEF climate/insane and immigration/insane policy choices.
"In canada a majority has always favored immigration"
I don't think that is correct. Traditionally the populations of Canada, Australia, the United States (etc) favored some EUROPEAN immigration. There is no evidence that they favored high levels of immigration from Africa, India, the Arab world, etc.
In both Canada and the USA the government lied to the electorate about their plans for immigration. During the discussions about the changes to the US immigration system in 1965, voters were repeatedly told that the changes would not affect the demographic character of the country. The same was true in Canada.
The government lied. Flat out. If you had taken a poll of people in 1970 and told them that immigration would make them a hated minority in their own country, would they have supported it?
In what sense is he "British" apart from having a document saying that he is a citizen? He has no genetic continuity with the traditional peoples of the British Isles. He is not culturally British.
If Sadiq Khan is British, then all of the colonists from Europe who conquered North America are Native Americans.
I already expected such a reply although I haven't followed British politics enough to have an own opinion on him. I just tried to choose the 5 most prominent most obviously not "white British" UK politicians and footballers that came to my mind.
If you expected this reply it means that the argument wasn't very convincing. Khan was also used as paragon of muslimness by a Sky presenter (aka propagandist) recently when he tried to pin down Douglas Murray when he stated the Britain needs less islam, not more. Khan also represended Hamas in the past. That tell me everything I need to know of him and his Englishness
To be voted mayor you have to be extremely well-integrated into society. I can't comment about Khan's politics, I just took him as an example of someone successful. In Germany, I could think of Cem Özdemir or Philipp Rösler who were federal ministers. And half our national football team isn't "white German", which luckily isn't really a concept in Germany society the way "white British" is, no one ever asks me for my colour and I'd like it to stay that way.
"To be voted mayor you have to be extremely well-integrated into society."
Talk about a textbook example of "begging the question."
Such a politician is representative of society only BECAUSE that society has deliberately been remade into his image.
No one can argue that brother-marrying fraudster Ilhan Omar is representative of conservative agricultural Minnesota society... until one notes that her district has been deliberately and methodically swamped by the leftist federal government with over 40,000 transplanted native Somali "refugees."
You certainly need not be well integrated to be voted mayor (or councillor) in the UK. You only need to make use of the fact that London isn't majority English anymore and on sectarian voting as we see increasing in British politics. That's why you have councillors who get elected on the Gaza ticket. This will be coming soon to Germany. But at least our football team is winning, hey?
But I have to agree with you on one point at least. I think Cem has actually integrated and can reconcile islam and german values. This is maybe due to thr fact that he is more of a secular Turk.
British Londoners went through a Germanesque decade or two of self-loathing and guilt, needing to bring in new pets to take care of so they felt less guilt over the bounties Western Civ gave them- like food, education, relative wealth.
Yes, I said pets. Emphasis on the keepers, not the kept. Not meant disparagingly against anyone except those unwise enough to give away their country.
Mr Khan, modestly referred to as 'Lord TfL of bus', is a humble man who mainly serves himself. Mr Khan openly despises most of the UK citizens, mainly due to his over-active imagination. Of course, Mr Khan is from a special protected group, and so is impossible to be considered as a zealot.
Mr Khan would like to be prime Minister one day, as long as the people with pale skin leave the country first. A truly remarkable zealot.
Absolutely. The term "racist" has become meaningless because of how it is being weaponised. There is very real racism in the sense of a belief of superiority of some ethnic groups over others. Although even that can be grounded on facts. I wouldn't call someone racist for discussing differences in average IQ or penis length between different populations. I think globalisation will end racism naturally in a few generations. The current resurgence of ethnonationalism doesn't help though, and it's only fueled by the hypersensitive reaction of the left.
I actually think the most racist of peoples - ethnicity, religion, skin color, race & all the rest aside - are the ones constantly bleating “racist” & “racism”. It’s always projection w/ them.
Religion is not the same as ethnicity. Get circumcised and repeat thrice that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet and boom, you're a Muslim. Changed your mind? Sorry, Islam comes with no 30 days return policy but with capital punishment for apostates. As bollocks as islam seems to me as an atheist, most Muslims are reasonable people who don't let their religion get in the way of being a good citizen. And let's not forget people have all kinds of silly ideas. Christianity also has its violent edge. Not long ago I could have been killed for doubting that a virgin gave birth, and I'd still not shout my beliefs from a soap box in any African country or probably even parts of America. In Germany it's safer because most people who would get seriously offended would be too old to fight me.
Christianity today (as portrayed by the Catholic, Lutheran, etc. varieties of manmade religions) has nothing to do with the early church you read about in the New Testament. There is no violent edge, except the violence against it.
For a real superiority complex, read "Alamut" (Vladimir Bartol). Hassan ibn Sabbah - at least as fictionalised in that book - was superior to all other Muslims. It's a seriously fun and thought-provoking book, with no doubt more stings in its tail, probably about real 1930s European fascism (I haven't finished it yet).
The Quran commands the muslim not to take any christian and jewish friends. It also say that these people are the worst of creatures. Seems quite supremacist to me.
"I think globalization will end racism naturally in a few generations"
You're completely wrong on that one. Historically, forced integration has never worked. Every empire in history employed forced integration. For globalization to be enacted, it requires a global empire, because people won't do it willingly. Someone has to run it, set the standards, make the rules, codify the morality, etc. The chances are 99.9999% it won't be you. Almost everyone will feel disenfranchised by the result, except those that benefit financially from the system. The world is moving in the direction of ethnic tribalism because of globalization, not in spite of it.
I'm not sure. The type of globalisation I had in mind is the one of the past decades that has its problems, but I wouldn't say it was an overall failure. I'm mainly thinking of the trend that people, businesses and information are more mobile on a global scale. Admittedly, it has already changed our culture quite a lot. But there are still enough remains to distinguish different countries' cultures. Yet, I'm not sure if I disagree entirely with kertch. Our culture has changed and it was 99.9999% not us who set the standards and made the rules with regard to these changes. I'm probably just too young to know anything else, so I treat globalised culture as a given. We can try to turn the clock back and reenact local traditions that have died out, but it would be fake.
Culture has always been fluid and changing, just the speed of change has increased. 100 years ago, every village had its own culture, that was still very similar within the region, already quiet dissimilar across the country, and completely different to the culture on another continent. Today, local cultures still exist, but are fading and increasingly only conserved by old people. A young person today likely still shares aspects of that culture, but they share other aspects with people around the globe. People watch Star Wars or Lord of the Rings everywhere on the globe, music and fashion trends also spread globally. Most educated young people know English and are part of the digital anglosphere. We still have our German oddities, we still know some German songs or believe it gives bad luck to prematurely wish someone a happy birthday. But we can also laugh about the same memes as someone in Japan or Brazil. I feel as a part of a globalised culture. I don't like how much of it is controlled by Google, Microsoft, Hollywood,... essentially by rich Californians. Then again, our local culture was partly controlled by the Pope for thousands of years.
I agree it won’t end because it’s mostly a cooked up scheme in the modern west created to divide us and create hierarchies of oppression. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, it’s just that it is much more insightful than political elites would have us believe.
" I think globalisation will end racism naturally in a few generations"
Based on what? Hand waving?
There's an entire literature on this sort of thing. First, there are studies that examine the implications of various traits for survival. For instance, in-group preference is a massive advantage when it comes to competing for resources. And even a small amount of in-group preference can help large groups dominate in multi-cultural settings.
Second, there's also a literature in psychology and social science on diversity, multiculturalism, and group cohesion. Robert Putnam's work comes to mind. He studied the impact of diversity on trust and social cohesion, finding (much to his dismay) that the impact is largely negative.
In short, homogeneous societies have massive advantages, and ethnic groups that maintain strong in-group preferences (ie, nepotism) will outcompete groups that do not. You can see this with China right now... it is starting to dominate not only in terms of manufacturing, but in terms of research output.
The "kumbaya" view that racism will fade, all ethnic groups will get along (etc etc) is childish and unsupported by either history or the research literature.
By your logic, our choice to accept being made extinct via migration and migrants outbreeding us in our ancestral homelands (Sweden in my case), or being "racists".
Chalk me up as racist. This is my land. This is my people's land.
If you argue against that, you are arguing for genocide.
The term race is erroneous, but it is - thanks to US cultural imperialism - the modern go-to term for what is otherwise called Kultur and Folkslag (Culture and People). Both are well-established and well-defined sociological and anthropological concepts in no dispute, and cover both from their own angle that multifaceted phenomena we would call ethnicity, if not for the American insistence on using "race".
Pakistani is the collective term for the peoples occupying the territory called Pakistan; you either use "Pakistani" as a shorthand for that group of peoples with ther shared ancestry and lineage, or you have to list all of them every time you mean Pakistani. Anyone seriously debating Kultur and Folk knows and understands this, and do not dodge the issue.
The same goes for Palestinian: they are Arabs, 99% of them moslem Arabs. But since there are oher Arabs and other moslems, when talking about the Arabs occupying what is called 'Palestine', Palestinian means everyone knows which group you speak about.
What is it that you are rejecting? Neither Pakis nor Palis are English, or British.
It's not 'erroneous'. It's a folk concept. "Race" is much like the term "blue". If you are a physicist or electrical engineer you speak in terms of wavelengths or frequencies. Regular people use terms like "blue".
Despite the fact that neither is grounded in some scientific theory, they are obviously useful. We can all understand what it means for the sky to be "blue" or for a particular oil paint to be on the "greenish" side of "yellow".
Similarly we can understand that "black" people generally have a different blood type than "white" people. If you are a paramedic at the scene of an accident and you refuse to use "race" as a means of figuring out which blood type to give an accident victim, well...
I was rejecting the initial subject of the post preceding mine.
“By your logic, our choice to accept being made extinct via migration and migrants outbreeding us in our ancestral homelands (Sweden in my case), or being "racists".
Chalk me up as racist.”
I realize USAID and Fauci money were used to push US propaganda in Europe. Perhaps it was more than just state and corporate media parroting American language. Probably European politicians were also paid. However, ya’ll are free to reject American lunacy when you encounter it.
Europeans can adopt logic and reason as they are free tools given to all of mankind. I have rejected the stoopid as have countless others in USA. No need to blame America as forcing language or DEI for that matter upon you. As humans we have free will.
Btw…. I was going to say, “Two Wongs don’t make a Wight.” But that would be racist so I won’t.
'That's why calls for banning AfD never rest on election programmes, but on stupid comments individual AfD politicians made on some local event after 2 beers.'
A very good point that is almost always overlooked.
Everyone has an ethnic understanding, including the migrants themselves. A indigenous German exists. It’s insane that we even have to talk about this. The German constitution acknowledges this obvious fact. A Kurd with a Turkish passport will never call himself Turkish and a Turk would never consider him Turkish either. What is happening right now is a genocide and even acknowledging indigenous Germans/ Europeans exists makes you a right wing extremist. And yes many people who have a German passports have no allegiance towards the German people. Liberalism is truly fucking insane. You people don’t know what time it is. We will become persecuted minorities and the people who will destroy us will have German passports but won’t be German. Only retarded western liberals don’t understand this.
Westerners bought into the fact that they, like white bread, are not very colorful and therefore lack richness, or interest, therefore not valuable. Then, add the “guilt” for being successful. All leads to redistribution of wealth by force. This is the goal. Making strong, intelligent, industrious nations become impotent.
If you’re busy because you’re increasingly poor or fighting off local violence with no redress, you’re too busy to notice Starmer is rejoining Britain to the EU as he was doing last week.
"An ethnic understanding of Britishness would not only exclude grooming gangs but also people like Rishi Sunak, Sadiq Khan, Kemi Badenoch, Jude Bellingham, Bukayo Saka,...just to name a few."
"But talking about deporting your own citizens because of where their parents or grandparents came from is."
Is it? Even if it is, what's particularly wrong about it?
Many countries have implemented policies to preserve their traditional populations. Uganda expelled its Indian population at some point. Malaysia imposes restrictions on citizens of Chinese descent.
At the moment Fiji is being colonized by Indians who are taking over its power structure and discriminating against the indigenous population. Is it wrong (in some moral sense) for the Fijians to rise up and expel them?
It's rather hard to argue that colonization is bad when Europeans do it, but approve of the Indian colonization of Canada, the UK, or Fiji.
All parties contain some extreme elements. Our canadian NDP party contains openly communist individuals even tho the platform doesn’t necessarily, which makes them unelectable to me, but I don’t want to ban them.
My conservative parties contain people who want to ban abortion and yes some that want no immigration except white people, but those are fringe views not reflected in policy.
And those ideas are far less damaging than communism.
No one would object to and indeed the left explicitly supports an ethnic understanding of eg Indian or Sudanese (hence concepts such as colonisation and cultural appropriation). On that basis the English ought to be the afforded the same reality on the basis that the culture that flows from group identity is often ancient, meaningful and worth preserving. That is not to say that the people from elsewhere cannot assimilate into any other group but that is not what is happening if new people cling to other identities and norms, being what inevitably happens with mass migration.
You are not racist, in my humble opinion. There is a dark shadow coming across Europe and the UK. Not sure how you folks will be able to fight back. But damn sure hope you do.
If it helps, you can calmly explain to the loonies that Pakistan is not a “race.” Nor is Islam, Muslim, English, or British. The word “race” is a term of science. So let’s use nomenclature correctly. Don’t fall for their baloney jargon. Yes?
I get big eyes and maybe, “….but, but….” If you are calm and not accusatory what can they say? Usually just crickets.
To label probably the most philosemitic party in the world that's not actually represented in the Knesset as "right wing" may seem absurd, particularly when it's led by a lesbian in a same sex marriage to a Sri Lankan.
However, those wanting to ban the AfD might have noted that the DNA analysis of Hitler's remains conducted in 2009 found that Hitler was XX, i.e., a biological woman, albeit probably with the SRY gene for male genitalia coded on one of those two X chromosomes (de la Chapelle syndrome), meaning that Hitler, who was married to a woman now known to have been of Jewish descent and whose own relatives have been found to have haplotypes associated with Ashkenazi and North African ancestry, was a gay intersex or transexual woman of likely mixed Jewish and Arab ancestry in a same sex marriage to a woman who was also of Jewish descent.
Thus, who are the racists and homophobes?
Hitler herself, as well as Alice Weidel and the leadership of the AfD would have been rounded up and marked for extermination by a real "right wing extremist" party in government.
I am super skeptical about this. I read up on it and the brain tested was a woman between 20 and 40 years old and the teeth tested were that of a vegetarian. I am more apt to believe the rumors that the US Government high tailed Hitler out Germany on a flight to Argentina. CIA records supposedly suggest this, the Argentina President alluded to it and the US Government has been extremely untrustworthy throughout history. I don’t think they have ever told the truth about a major event ie 911, JFK, RFK, MLK, Oklahoma bombing etc, etc.
Hitler herself was a vegetarian and the skulls of de la Chapelle syndrome transwomen such as her may well have different characteristics to those of normal "cisgender " women jeasing to mistaken estimates of age. Only one in several thousand purported men is in reality a transwoman such as Hitler..
The British laid the foundations for this investigation as early as 1940. Their findings were encapsulated in the following verse rendering, which was set to a rousing melody:
Hitler has only got one ball,
Goering has two but very small,
Himmler has something similar,
And poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.
I'm told by the British that it must be delivered in a "Cockney" accent, so "Himmler" and "similar" form a perfect rhyme (imla/simla), while the masterstroke in the last line requires "Goebbels" to be pronounced roughly as "Go-balls".
Apparently, the British ascribe their victory in the war to this song.
From now on I'm referring to Hitler (somehow the 21st century's most popular political figure) with They/Them pronouns, as we have no right to assume their chosen gender. Genocides happen all the time but misgendering is the true crime against humanity.
This is hilarious. Supposedly some Freudian headshrinker hired by the British made a study of Hitler's personality and concluded that he was missing a testicle, without any solid evidence whatsoever to support his thesis. This sounds like more of the same kind of nonsense.
There's a big difference between Sigmund Fraud and actual medical records. Medical records, taken after her arrest in 1923, show Hitler had "right-side cryptorchidism," meaning one of her testicles did not descend. This also suggests one testicle was likely stunted. Cryptorchidism is a common feature of de la Chapelle syndrome.
Those with the condition are infertile, as Hitler likely was, short and not very hirsute. Hitler most likely also had a micropenis (similar to a large clitoris) and possibly a vagina, like Harvey Weinstein (who is of similar ancestry to Hitler) does, according to the Italian actress who gave evidence against Weinstein.
Salvador Dali, who got erections whenever he saw pictures of Hitler in the newspapers, and was booted out of the dadaist movement for his obsession with wanting to penetrate Hitler sexually, described Hitler as the most feminine 'man' he had ever seen.
Also, if you consider Hitler's actions, they were typically feminist. Women are far more violent and likely to wage wars than men, according to studies of European history.
“Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV)” is quite the Orwellian term. The new Gestapo has arrived. BfV is protecting the constitution by destroying democracy.
The sad part is that I suspect the majority of germans think the Stasi V2 is an independent institution and a force for good. Just like smooth brains think antifa (modern black shirts) are anti-fascist.
It's an interesting thing. Not that long ago – as late as the last Merkel cabinet – critique of BfV came primarily from left-leaning mainstream-adjacent critics and journalists, who didn't like the fact that their environmental protests and their leftoid student orgs were being spied on by BfV. Then after Maaßen and the whole hase-du-bleibst-hier thing in Chemnitz, BfV changed direction, esp. during Corona becoming primarily an "anti-right" organisation and now the left and centre-left never speak a word against it.
This overt move may satisfy the 'left' voices and attempt to silent the 'right', however, we all know that outlawing a particular way of thinking is the best way to ensure it's overall growth. The 'forbidden fruit' effect.
Here in the US, we woke up to the news (surprise, surprise...ya'll wonder why Vance is VP?) that Palantir (Thiel/Musk/Palpal mafia) won a no bid contract to 'track immigrants'. And the 'right' cheers.
How many on the 'right' will beg for a digital ID system that ensures their 'right to vote'? Even now, the deadline approaches where we Americans will need to produce our "papers" (real ID) to travel from state-to-state (thanks Bush/Cheney and the Patriot Act) for punishing your own citizens.
It's disheartening to realize how incredibly stupid people are to trust their governments when it is the governments themselves that causes and perpetuates this mess. All in the name of some moronic, undefined idea called 'democracy'.
> Americans will need to produce our "papers" (real ID) to travel from state-to-state
I'm no fan of "Real ID" but let's not engage in hysterics here. Not having one in no way precludes one from driving to any state one can reach in a car. It *will* prevent one from boarding an aircraft. It may be fucking retarded, but it's hardly the cataclysm you are claiming.
I refuse to let the "immigration problem" and the "deadline" panic me into signing up for Real ID, after resisting it ever since it went by the name of "Total Information Awareness." Since even before the anal-probers of TSA (which further cemented my resolve) I've taken only two air trips in the past 25 years -- one to a child's wedding in Hawaii, where I couldn't drive, and one to an immediate family funeral across the country, where I couldn't drive in time. Any long trip I need to take, I take by RV. And if ever I need to enter a federal building (other than my post office, which has no need to verify my ID), it won't be voluntarily, and my lack of a proper ID to attend my own persecution will be someone else's problem, not mine.
Perhaps it simply doesn't bother me, as I hold both a CDL and a DOE Q clearance. I never even had to *ask* for my DL to be a "Real ID", it just *was*. Though I will grant that I would prefer if it were required to vote. Make it actually *worth* something.
Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. I got a real ID years ago when they warned us we would need it to fly. Yeah I could have used my passport, but when flying around the states,it was just one more thing to deal with. It was simple to get it and I didn't think it was very intrucive
LOL. yes. I fly all of the time. so will use my passport.. a PO is a federal building ( where many murders take place. hence the term “going postal”) so i would think that would be the one place you would need it .. meanwhile enjoy to RV life
all about the money. as it costs to get. “REAL ID”: A fake ID was what I used to buy beer when I was 17.. the “real ID should be dropped.. I wont get one..
Darlin', you're talking to someone who doesn't think we should require driver's licenses. My point is to not blow things out of proportion. You wanna rail against the concept of ID in general? I'll back you up. But you can't win arguments with falsehoods.
We all need a Driver’s License to fly now. Try to get on a plane without one. Or a Passport. What different info is on a Real ID other than a star in the upper right hand corner. I’ve been vetted 6 ways to Sunday by having TSA precheck, Global entry and Clear ID. Plus, everyone has my SS number it’s been hacked so many times. I’m more irritated that every doctor, pharmacy, medical cartel shares my private, medical info without permission. I went to the eye doctor and they had all my pharmacy records. I never said they could have that. I was told everyone shares everything. What more can be tracked? They already know where I travel, where I shop, what kind of car I drive, where I live, if I take cholesterol pills. What’s left to know?
Here in the US, illegal aliens not possessing verified ID to get on a flight can show TSA a copy of their "warrant for arrest of undocumented immigrant" and be waved aboard.
Yes, "cultural sensitivity" of that sort is flamingly retarded. But that's somewhat orthogonal to the question of whether one will require a Real ID to leave one's home state.
But no one needs anything to vote in the US. That's why I object to Real ID. And I'll admit that I'm finally going to break down and get one as my family lives in Texas and Florida and I don't know how much longer I can make long car trips.
QUOTE: ... we Americans will need to produce our "papers" (real ID) to travel from state-to-state (thanks Bush/Cheney and the Patriot Act) for punishing your own citizens.
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The entire TSA/airport rigmarole introduced after the 9/11 operation had been planned and refined for many years in advance, the real aim being to teach the hoi polloi that airline travel (indispensable in a large country like the U.S.) and indeed any travel is now a "privilege," to be granted or withheld at the whim of the powers that be.
Meanwhile, private jet usage has continued to grow, with a large boost following the start of the worldwide COVID operation. Our neo-feudal betters prefer to travel in peace, "far from the madding crowd."
“Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV)” is quite the Orwellian term."
Two things you can always count on from the Left -- they will accuse their opponents (often out of nowhere) of exactly the crimes they themselves are secretly committing (the candidate never legitimized by a single citizen's vote, accusing her opponents of "destroying democracy"); and they will describe their programs as the opposite of what they really do (the "Inflation Reduction Act," "Inclusion" for a program of anti-white racism).
Yes, this is how the filthy Democrats operate in the US. And our liberal media shrieks to High Heaven about everything a Republican does about anything, ever. Dems lie, cheat and steal. Over and over. It’s nauseating and exhausting.
So, in order to save Germany, we must conclude that there is no such thing as an actual German. All that matters is that you occupy a certain piece of real estate in central Europe. Make it to the banks of the Rhine and you're in. And all that "culture" stuff, just another rightwing construct designed to discriminate against brown people.
This dovetails nicely with your last post about political stupidity.
Is it the official position of the BfV and the German state that everyone who holds German citizenship papers bears an equal moral burden for the Holocaust, irrespective of ethnic descent, ancestry, or immigration history?
exactly the question I would like to press. also as as German, should I renounce my citizenship, am I then relieved of inherited responsibility for the Holocaust
They are also eroding citizenship rights for ethnic Germans, by the way. If you're a German citizen born overseas after 1999, your children will lose their German citizenship if their birth is not reported to a German authority within one year (§ 4 Abs. 4 StAG). I absolutely would have lost my own German citizenship if such a law had applied to me, and as a fren of the German-American diaspora I think you will find this outrageous.
To think and act otherwise distorts otherwise rational viewpoints. With very bad consequences.
Consider the fact that Germany is now the number one (USA apart - but they don't really count as The RPTB there are mostly Jewish) supporter of Israel.
Putin is on record as saying modern day Germans should not feel responsible for the death of 25- 30 million souls in WW2.
Yet UVDL and similar are intent on carrying on the family tradition...
Another interesting question is whether the right to German citizenship by ancestry still exists. I don't know whether it does. It was originally set up to help _ethnic_ (or "cultural"? Or "linguistic"?) Germans who were expelled from e.g. Silesia or Slavonia immediately post WW2: and who, inevitably, ended up in a Germany to which they had no ties, except the "ethnic" tie, and recourse to Germany as the "welcoming nation of last resort" (Arendt's "Origins..." is excellent on the development of ethnic - and 1:1 mapped nation - they're not the same thing - identities where they perhaps didn't previously exist). Even language may have been a problem for them, given the 400-year-divergent varieties of German spoken in those areas.
I do remember reading that the question of the German-Polish border was not resolved for decades, partly because the Silesian German exiles were politically powerful and (obviously) still furious about their expulsion.
It's an interesting contrast. A "migrant" policy which was founded on an idea of cultural/linguistic/ethnic "Germanness", very recently in German history. But now it seems it's the opposite.
I suppose this "contradiction" or "aporia" could be resolved by the hypothesis that officially-approved migrant policy, rather than being founded on timeless principles, is _always_ opportunistic, always made for practical reasons. Humanely, in the case of that post-WW2 idea to officially recognise an already-occurring flood of "German" refugees; boldly and bravely (and perhaps foolhardily), when Merkel resolved the crisis at Hegyeshalom/Nickelsdorf with her "wir schaffen das" (I ask you, what else could have solved that, given Orbán's - I think justified - refusal of Dublin II?); and now, cynically: to cast anyone who has any reservations about mass, unlimited immigration as "far-right".
Another interesting question: where do the German Turks, or Germans of Turkish origin (or whatever the correct term is) stand on this? One of my German teachers was one of them. And many of them (like him) are 2nd-generation, born in Germany of German citizens with Turkish ancestry.
Only here in America where I am guilty of slavery because I am white. Well, half guilty. My paternal Grandfather was not here until 1903 according to records. My maternal ancestor came to Jamestown in 1680 so I half guilty of the sin of slavery.
I'm from Minnesota, a state that never had slavery and in fact was the first one to volunteer troops to President Lincoln in the Civil War on behalf of the Union.
More directly, one of my ancestors volunteered to fight on the Union side, and ended up imprisoned in a grisly Confederate POW camp.
I have NOTHING to do with slavery, in the USA or anywhere else.
Indeed, my cultural, political, and religious upbringing roundly condemn anything resembling the enslavement of other humans.
On this subject, I insist I be left alone.
Stop bothering me and rubbing my nose in historical excrement that by now is fossilized and nobody I know had anything to do with producing.
I'm reminded of that famous quote by a witness at a Senator McCarthy hearing during the Red Scare of the early 1950's: "At long last, sir, have you no decency?"
Americans need to stand up to the grifting race baiters once and for all.
It's over, long ago.
The brilliant US Constitution applies to every US citizen.
The 1100 pages are probably just screenshots of hurty tweets. And I found the inclusion of islamophobia in the list of grievances quite revealing. Especially the part where they say the irrational fear of islam. There is nothing irrational about fearing and despising islam. I would say that islam is even less compatible with the German constitution than the views held by many in the AfD.
>>The central political crime of the AfD and its members is alleged to be their “prevailing understanding of the German people” as a group “defined by ethnic descent” – an understanding they say is “incompatible with the free democratic basic order.”<<
Hmm... so Vlad Putin could export 60 million of his supporters to Germany, and these noble protectors of the free democratic basic order would be fine with that?
I often wonder about this. What if, instead of invading Ukraine, Putler just sent a million Russians across the eastern border of Ukraine and had them all claim asylum.
I used a similar example two decades ago against multi-kulti cultists here:
"China is an oppressive dictatorship where people can be jailed for their opinions, yes?"
"Yes?"
"That makes the oppressed into political refugees, yes?"
"Yes?"
"So if China was to send 10 000 000 adult Chinese of either sex to Sweden, we would by law and praxis be obligated to grant asylum, residence and eventually citizenship and franchise, yes?"
"Uhm, erhm, technically, yes...?"
"So what would then stop these 10 000 000 to start their own party, win elections and majority and then rule that Sweden is now a province of China?"
Cue rage, incoherent ramplings, insults, the usual crap. One guy I know and am still on speaking terms with, is still pissed at me for "trapping him" (his words) in his own logic; he had argued that we must always accept people in if they come from nations where they are oppressed, without any limit in numbers.
I suggest spreading the question, but definitely using Russia/Ukraine instead.
I'm astonished. Haven't your leftist friends heard that logic is merely a White patriarchal construct, a tool in the apparatus of oppression wielded against the colonial Other? Etc.
The Chinese, by the way, call these people 白左 ("white left") and mock them mercilessly on the internet. The term isn't officially used in CCP circles, but if the CCP disapproved in any way, it would have been banned years ago. Of course, the stupid 白左 unwittingly serve the CCP in weakening China's rivals.
Ironically, Ukraine would then -- by their own laws -- require them to learn to speak Ukrainian, and undergo other means of "Ukrainization". Which is certainly not a thing Germany is doing to the immigrants and asylum seekers there.
But you are describing the situation that already existed PRIOR to his invasion, in the region of Ukraine that he invaded. Rather than those ethnic Russians winning any sort of representation in Ukraine proper, they were harassed and persecuted by OG Nazis, who were, shall we say, staunchly unreceptive to any sort of "ethnic representation" argument.
"Hmm... so Vlad Putin could export 60 million of his supporters to Germany, and these noble protectors of the free democratic basic order would be fine with that?"
You are precisely describing what went on at our southern border under Biden. Not all our invaders were Latin American, they came from every country on earth... including such a sizable contingent from China that they had their own (militarized and secure from observation) base camp on the far side of the Darien Gap. Our MSM has never found this story interesting enough to present -- the conspiracy persists.
“Imagining you can fend off Leviathan by waving papers in His face takes into account neither the nature of the individuals who make up the State, nor that of the system in which they operate.”
The technocratic and Leftist governments of the West are chasing their own legalistic pathway. They cannot go back or they will collapse.
Their hatred for the ties that bind us as peoples is clear. In the process they take a well constructed brick house and dissolve the mortar holding the bricks together.
The result will be collapse of the whole house.
The mortar seems to be such a small part of the house,so it can be ignored in their minds,but eventually reality will win.
Totally agree. It is all part of a concerted effort to destroy the European cultural edifice. It is all too reminiscent of the fall of the Roman empire through the progressive weakening of what Rome stood for and from which it derived its strength.
We 🇺🇸 the people are just moving on from government and politics or at least parties to our own solutions. We just aren’t waiting.
Nor should you.
Government as we knew it is done. In particular given legal systems of any kind, never mind the hidebound legacy systems of the West with its absurd rituals and priesthood of the Judiciary, government as we knew it is finished. We aren’t. Just moving past them at our own pace- speed of digital communication and the handshake.
Nor are nations finished, nor peoples, Globalism got it backwards; it’s governments that are - as we knew the government- finished and in their place the nation returns.
Of course they’ll be governance and governments, but it will be the networked state- the networked nation state, and the network that governs least will focus best on what the state has always been there to do - defense, order, common rules, protection to the minimal necessary from each other.
Trust returns to being paramount.
(No, the global digital nomad won’t rise, anymore than Gypsies or Roma or Bedouin take over the world. Trust remains everything).
These three 'incontrovertible extreme rightwing' quotes from AfD politicians have, as you wrote, been leaked to the German press. The reader comment posts i saw were scathing, observing that, if factual observations e.g. about crime, makes one right-wing then not just AfD voters would be right wing.
I was flabbergasted though when I read the BfV statement that this 1100-pages long 'dossier' was only for 'internal use' and couldn't be published ... perhaps, as in earlier such cases, there were too many BfV 'employees' in the Party, as agents provocateurs?
Yes, Madame Faeser did this to force the hands of the incoming government. Recall - the elections were at the end of February - a good two months ago. This is the result of the much[vaunted proportional election system. When I see this - where ousted politicians can still decide huge national issues, the I say: gimme FPTP (first past the post)!
Moving the goalposts to get the result you have decided to get is delusional and even worse dangerous as it will radicalise the people who expected a fair game and have been told and assured for years that it is a game where the same rules apply for everyone.
Forgetting for a moment that this is in itself a betrayal of democracy, the German people and the German nation and history and culture -
- it is also patently stupid.
You don't squash a peaceful contender for power; you invite them in and co-opt and corrupt their movement, until you have stolen all their popular talking points and made them yours, leaving them with the option to blanderise themselves to resemble you, or give voice to the more extreme and outrageous stuff which is too far from the middle and mainstream to garner enough real support in elections.
Either way, you win (you meaning "the party/parties in power").
Even better, in a parliamentary democracy you don't even need to actually do anything once you've co-opted stuff; you can bury it in "investigations" and committees and "waiting on expert opinions" for decades if needed, while only making incremental changes to policies.
By treating the AfD as challengers, they have become challengers. Had they invited them in when they were at 5%-10% on the national level, they would have stopped growing and after two-three elections they would splinter. One part, the ones given seats in councils and the Bundestag, would have been blanderised and corrupt as above, too enamoured with their paychecks and privileges to consider risking rocking the boat. The other part would splinter off into various no-chance parties that would soon disintegrate under their own dysfunctional leadership.
And after inviting them in, and after about half the time between elections, have state & regime-loyal media start pushing out pieces on how masterfully [insert mainstream politician/party here] has out-maneuvered and/or tamed the contender, neutralising their attempts at extremism and forcing them to behave. The object of this is to cause internal strife, where grass-roots members and actual True Believers start publicly scandalising and criticising party leadership for "not getting anything done" and having been "tamed". This serves to stop growth, and drive potential fence-sitters from the other parties.
Also, consider having some heavy names "defect" to the contender party in return for high-level positions within the party, and guarantees for important seats in any future coalition. This ensures the contending party will move towards your position on all issues, since they will come to depend on the contacts and networks made available by the "defectors".
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Am I right in assuming the above is no longer taught at German universities in the pol-sci, psychology, sociology and information/communications-departments?
absolutely. Union parties should have given AfD the hug of death in 2017, when they first got into Bundestag. instead, because they are retarded, they walled off the party and basically bred this lab-perfect sterilised populist right-leaning party in a petri dish. something this insane has never been attempted anywhere else.
The UK is giving the Petri dish strategy a good try with Reform. But to be fair they did try the bear hug first, until it lost credibility with the public.
Your last sentence is the most intriguing. The AFD is now not only the most popular party, but the only real "alternative" now that BSW is out (possibly through voter fraud). Will the AFD take even more voters from the traditional parties as they double down on their Hellward trajectory, more desparate than ever to maintain a firewall whose foundation is crumbling? How many more authoritarian tricks will they need to pull out of their hats to keep this shit going?
This is what Vance pointed out in Munich in his speech : that Europe’s greatest threat comes from within - it is sliding towards totalitarianism where free speech is curtailed. They cancelled elections in Roumania, cancelled Le Pen in France and now preparing to illegalize AfD in Germany. And yet not a word about that Von der Leyen character and her shady negotiations with Pfizer whose vaccines have killed and injured millions. I personally want no part of what EU has become.
Well, you'd nailed it before anyone else and there's little joy in having sharp vision.
We ought to sneak in shipping containers to you guys full of Trump mugshot tee-shirts, perhaps with those tiny thingies used to play greetings in birthday cards sewn into the side seams and activated when you put one on. What was that song that had the authorities all knicker-twisted last year?
The German magazine, Compact, offers bathrobes for sale on their website to commerate the dawn raid of their house last year when Faeser banned their publication and their publisher was photographed standing on the sidewalk in his bathrobe. Best to be prepared if you're a regime critic.
I must admit that I don't think Britishness encompasses the Pakistani gangs that have drugged, raped and tortured thousands of young girls.
That said, I don't give a shit that people think I'm racist for holding that viewpoint. It is however dangerous to post this under our Two Tier justice system when hurty words result in multi-year sentences.
You're arguing besides the point. An ethnic understanding of Britishness would not only exclude grooming gangs but also people like Rishi Sunak, Sadiq Khan, Kemi Badenoch, Jude Bellingham, Bukayo Saka,...just to name a few. Unfortunately, culture and ethnicity get mixed up all the time in this debate. Of course many Afghan or Pakistani migrants carry aspects of their religious or tribal culture that clash with modern-day Britain or Germany. Saying so isn't racist. But talking about deporting your own citizens because of where their parents or grandparents came from is. I understand why people are worried about AfD because such ideas certainly exist in the party, but they are not the official party line. That's why calls for banning AfD never rest on election programmes, but on stupid comments individual AfD politicians made on some local event after 2 beers. But even if the party as a whole was as racist as it is painted banning a party that's leading the polls would be undemocratic.
Sadick Khan is hardly an example of what it means to be British or someone who is a success story. London is being destroyed under his watch. I suspect he is more loyal to Pakistan and islam than the country he was born in. I would rather use English here. No one can argue he's English
Completely disagree there. No matter what you think of Sadiq Khan as a political actor (I don't like him either BTW!), he's clearly British, and a success story (in "official", mainstream terms at least). I don't think his Muslim background is a good explanation of why his policies are wrong: I'd go for him being part of the Labour machine, and so (necessarily in these days of Starmerism) an absolute devotee of whatever nonsense the machine puts out, as better candidate explanations.
This lumping together of all Muslims (no matter whether devout or not) as all part of some giant plot is no more helpful or explanatory than the same broad brush applied to another Semitic group. Which would lump together Netanyahu, Hannah Arendt (the original and best "self-hating Jew"), and the local very much DGAF-about-Zionism Chasidic Orthodox Jews.
Yes, clearly British. The first thing people think when they hear the name “Sadiq Khan” is that he must be British.
Wrath of khan
As in Chaka Khan, surely?
You liberals are lost. The end of western civilization. Dumb and naive. No in group presence, no clue about ethnic and religious interests.
I agree with regard to Khan. He is more an odious opportunist race mechant. But make no mistake, he hates white British people. Remember when he stated that the too whitw picture of London didn't represent his city. He also likes to play the rae card when cornered. He would always be Pakistani first. Also look at the Quran. That's their guiding principle. That's why you have muslim MPs demanding blasphemy and islamophobia laws to protect criticism against their ideology. Europe fought against islam for centuries. Do you now suddenly think that they are coming in peace? It's irrelevant to me whether the majority is peaceful. They are mostly tribal firstly (while white people are individualistic to our disadvantage) and secondly the non-moderates (ie one who follow the commands of the quran) sets the tone. Here you can look at Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and most recently to Syria for examples
Everyone is tribal. Some just more so than others.
“Everyone is tribal and when the churn comes, the tribe shrinks”.
Amos Burton, The Expanse
This was a classic sci-fi series but this is one of the deepest thoughts I’ve read.
The churn is coming, and when it does people retreat into their groups for self protection, “the tribe shrinks”.
The left is forcing a recalibration.
In canada a majority has always favored immigration but that is now destroyed because the excrable liberals opened the floodgates based on the ideology of the Century Initiative, a think tank pushing the idea we need to get to 100 mil by 2100. We are ~40 mil today.
And lest anyone think we fixed it by finally being rid of the awful Trudeau, the even more awful Carney had the head of this century initiative on his election team.
WEF Carney, full speed ahead.
WEF Chuck the 3rd coming to read the throne speech in support of WEF climate/insane and immigration/insane policy choices.
"In canada a majority has always favored immigration"
I don't think that is correct. Traditionally the populations of Canada, Australia, the United States (etc) favored some EUROPEAN immigration. There is no evidence that they favored high levels of immigration from Africa, India, the Arab world, etc.
In both Canada and the USA the government lied to the electorate about their plans for immigration. During the discussions about the changes to the US immigration system in 1965, voters were repeatedly told that the changes would not affect the demographic character of the country. The same was true in Canada.
The government lied. Flat out. If you had taken a poll of people in 1970 and told them that immigration would make them a hated minority in their own country, would they have supported it?
we dont have to “lump them together”. they do it themselves as you can see by their women
In what sense is he "British" apart from having a document saying that he is a citizen? He has no genetic continuity with the traditional peoples of the British Isles. He is not culturally British.
If Sadiq Khan is British, then all of the colonists from Europe who conquered North America are Native Americans.
Richi Sunak was a disaster as well and a self-serving Torrey.
I already expected such a reply although I haven't followed British politics enough to have an own opinion on him. I just tried to choose the 5 most prominent most obviously not "white British" UK politicians and footballers that came to my mind.
If you expected this reply it means that the argument wasn't very convincing. Khan was also used as paragon of muslimness by a Sky presenter (aka propagandist) recently when he tried to pin down Douglas Murray when he stated the Britain needs less islam, not more. Khan also represended Hamas in the past. That tell me everything I need to know of him and his Englishness
To be voted mayor you have to be extremely well-integrated into society. I can't comment about Khan's politics, I just took him as an example of someone successful. In Germany, I could think of Cem Özdemir or Philipp Rösler who were federal ministers. And half our national football team isn't "white German", which luckily isn't really a concept in Germany society the way "white British" is, no one ever asks me for my colour and I'd like it to stay that way.
"To be voted mayor you have to be extremely well-integrated into society."
Talk about a textbook example of "begging the question."
Such a politician is representative of society only BECAUSE that society has deliberately been remade into his image.
No one can argue that brother-marrying fraudster Ilhan Omar is representative of conservative agricultural Minnesota society... until one notes that her district has been deliberately and methodically swamped by the leftist federal government with over 40,000 transplanted native Somali "refugees."
You certainly need not be well integrated to be voted mayor (or councillor) in the UK. You only need to make use of the fact that London isn't majority English anymore and on sectarian voting as we see increasing in British politics. That's why you have councillors who get elected on the Gaza ticket. This will be coming soon to Germany. But at least our football team is winning, hey?
As to Khan's level of integration, has he disavowed imposition of sharia law in the UK? Or is he still secretly holding out hope?
You are an idiot. Cem Özdemir is scum btw.
But I have to agree with you on one point at least. I think Cem has actually integrated and can reconcile islam and german values. This is maybe due to thr fact that he is more of a secular Turk.
British Londoners went through a Germanesque decade or two of self-loathing and guilt, needing to bring in new pets to take care of so they felt less guilt over the bounties Western Civ gave them- like food, education, relative wealth.
Yes, I said pets. Emphasis on the keepers, not the kept. Not meant disparagingly against anyone except those unwise enough to give away their country.
Mr Khan, modestly referred to as 'Lord TfL of bus', is a humble man who mainly serves himself. Mr Khan openly despises most of the UK citizens, mainly due to his over-active imagination. Of course, Mr Khan is from a special protected group, and so is impossible to be considered as a zealot.
Mr Khan would like to be prime Minister one day, as long as the people with pale skin leave the country first. A truly remarkable zealot.
'Saying so isn't racist.'
But it is cast as racist by the zealots.
Absolutely. The term "racist" has become meaningless because of how it is being weaponised. There is very real racism in the sense of a belief of superiority of some ethnic groups over others. Although even that can be grounded on facts. I wouldn't call someone racist for discussing differences in average IQ or penis length between different populations. I think globalisation will end racism naturally in a few generations. The current resurgence of ethnonationalism doesn't help though, and it's only fueled by the hypersensitive reaction of the left.
The most racist of all people are Muslims.
Read the Koran. They truly believe they are superior.
I actually think the most racist of peoples - ethnicity, religion, skin color, race & all the rest aside - are the ones constantly bleating “racist” & “racism”. It’s always projection w/ them.
That's a very good point.
Like this:
https://x.com/AmericanPravda/status/1918319856178565149?s=19
Watch this and tell me who's the racist
Ryan, check out the Talmud.
Remember, the Talmud is NOT part of the Bible.
Amen John Henry
Religion is not the same as ethnicity. Get circumcised and repeat thrice that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet and boom, you're a Muslim. Changed your mind? Sorry, Islam comes with no 30 days return policy but with capital punishment for apostates. As bollocks as islam seems to me as an atheist, most Muslims are reasonable people who don't let their religion get in the way of being a good citizen. And let's not forget people have all kinds of silly ideas. Christianity also has its violent edge. Not long ago I could have been killed for doubting that a virgin gave birth, and I'd still not shout my beliefs from a soap box in any African country or probably even parts of America. In Germany it's safer because most people who would get seriously offended would be too old to fight me.
I said Muslim people. People that practice Islam.
62% of Muslims that were American citizens thought it was just fine that 3k Americans were killed on 9/11.
It is a religion of superiority. It's a nasty religion.
And if they had the means and the opportunity the most radical of them would kill you and think they did good.
I would wager that Islam has many more radicals than all other religions combined.
Christianity today (as portrayed by the Catholic, Lutheran, etc. varieties of manmade religions) has nothing to do with the early church you read about in the New Testament. There is no violent edge, except the violence against it.
That's not my experience of Muslims I've met.
For a real superiority complex, read "Alamut" (Vladimir Bartol). Hassan ibn Sabbah - at least as fictionalised in that book - was superior to all other Muslims. It's a seriously fun and thought-provoking book, with no doubt more stings in its tail, probably about real 1930s European fascism (I haven't finished it yet).
The Quran commands the muslim not to take any christian and jewish friends. It also say that these people are the worst of creatures. Seems quite supremacist to me.
"I think globalization will end racism naturally in a few generations"
You're completely wrong on that one. Historically, forced integration has never worked. Every empire in history employed forced integration. For globalization to be enacted, it requires a global empire, because people won't do it willingly. Someone has to run it, set the standards, make the rules, codify the morality, etc. The chances are 99.9999% it won't be you. Almost everyone will feel disenfranchised by the result, except those that benefit financially from the system. The world is moving in the direction of ethnic tribalism because of globalization, not in spite of it.
I don’t think you two are using globalization in the same manner.
I'm not sure. The type of globalisation I had in mind is the one of the past decades that has its problems, but I wouldn't say it was an overall failure. I'm mainly thinking of the trend that people, businesses and information are more mobile on a global scale. Admittedly, it has already changed our culture quite a lot. But there are still enough remains to distinguish different countries' cultures. Yet, I'm not sure if I disagree entirely with kertch. Our culture has changed and it was 99.9999% not us who set the standards and made the rules with regard to these changes. I'm probably just too young to know anything else, so I treat globalised culture as a given. We can try to turn the clock back and reenact local traditions that have died out, but it would be fake.
Culture has always been fluid and changing, just the speed of change has increased. 100 years ago, every village had its own culture, that was still very similar within the region, already quiet dissimilar across the country, and completely different to the culture on another continent. Today, local cultures still exist, but are fading and increasingly only conserved by old people. A young person today likely still shares aspects of that culture, but they share other aspects with people around the globe. People watch Star Wars or Lord of the Rings everywhere on the globe, music and fashion trends also spread globally. Most educated young people know English and are part of the digital anglosphere. We still have our German oddities, we still know some German songs or believe it gives bad luck to prematurely wish someone a happy birthday. But we can also laugh about the same memes as someone in Japan or Brazil. I feel as a part of a globalised culture. I don't like how much of it is controlled by Google, Microsoft, Hollywood,... essentially by rich Californians. Then again, our local culture was partly controlled by the Pope for thousands of years.
I agree it won’t end because it’s mostly a cooked up scheme in the modern west created to divide us and create hierarchies of oppression. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, it’s just that it is much more insightful than political elites would have us believe.
" I think globalisation will end racism naturally in a few generations"
Based on what? Hand waving?
There's an entire literature on this sort of thing. First, there are studies that examine the implications of various traits for survival. For instance, in-group preference is a massive advantage when it comes to competing for resources. And even a small amount of in-group preference can help large groups dominate in multi-cultural settings.
Second, there's also a literature in psychology and social science on diversity, multiculturalism, and group cohesion. Robert Putnam's work comes to mind. He studied the impact of diversity on trust and social cohesion, finding (much to his dismay) that the impact is largely negative.
In short, homogeneous societies have massive advantages, and ethnic groups that maintain strong in-group preferences (ie, nepotism) will outcompete groups that do not. You can see this with China right now... it is starting to dominate not only in terms of manufacturing, but in terms of research output.
The "kumbaya" view that racism will fade, all ethnic groups will get along (etc etc) is childish and unsupported by either history or the research literature.
It is racist and that's a good thing.
You mean the radical jackasses.
By your logic, our choice to accept being made extinct via migration and migrants outbreeding us in our ancestral homelands (Sweden in my case), or being "racists".
Chalk me up as racist. This is my land. This is my people's land.
If you argue against that, you are arguing for genocide.
https://x.com/Mr_Scott_Cheggs/status/1917521608845242876
Things don’t get to this extreme overnight. Progressivism is a cancer. Fight like your life depends upon it.
Marco Rubio instructed Germany to reverse course in banning AfD for what it’s worth. Maybe Germany will listen though probably not.
Nope I reject it. Pakistani or Palestinian is still, NOT a race.
Reject what, specifically?
The term race is erroneous, but it is - thanks to US cultural imperialism - the modern go-to term for what is otherwise called Kultur and Folkslag (Culture and People). Both are well-established and well-defined sociological and anthropological concepts in no dispute, and cover both from their own angle that multifaceted phenomena we would call ethnicity, if not for the American insistence on using "race".
Pakistani is the collective term for the peoples occupying the territory called Pakistan; you either use "Pakistani" as a shorthand for that group of peoples with ther shared ancestry and lineage, or you have to list all of them every time you mean Pakistani. Anyone seriously debating Kultur and Folk knows and understands this, and do not dodge the issue.
The same goes for Palestinian: they are Arabs, 99% of them moslem Arabs. But since there are oher Arabs and other moslems, when talking about the Arabs occupying what is called 'Palestine', Palestinian means everyone knows which group you speak about.
What is it that you are rejecting? Neither Pakis nor Palis are English, or British.
"The term race is erroneous"
It's not 'erroneous'. It's a folk concept. "Race" is much like the term "blue". If you are a physicist or electrical engineer you speak in terms of wavelengths or frequencies. Regular people use terms like "blue".
Despite the fact that neither is grounded in some scientific theory, they are obviously useful. We can all understand what it means for the sky to be "blue" or for a particular oil paint to be on the "greenish" side of "yellow".
Similarly we can understand that "black" people generally have a different blood type than "white" people. If you are a paramedic at the scene of an accident and you refuse to use "race" as a means of figuring out which blood type to give an accident victim, well...
I was rejecting the initial subject of the post preceding mine.
“By your logic, our choice to accept being made extinct via migration and migrants outbreeding us in our ancestral homelands (Sweden in my case), or being "racists".
Chalk me up as racist.”
I realize USAID and Fauci money were used to push US propaganda in Europe. Perhaps it was more than just state and corporate media parroting American language. Probably European politicians were also paid. However, ya’ll are free to reject American lunacy when you encounter it.
Europeans can adopt logic and reason as they are free tools given to all of mankind. I have rejected the stoopid as have countless others in USA. No need to blame America as forcing language or DEI for that matter upon you. As humans we have free will.
Btw…. I was going to say, “Two Wongs don’t make a Wight.” But that would be racist so I won’t.
'That's why calls for banning AfD never rest on election programmes, but on stupid comments individual AfD politicians made on some local event after 2 beers.'
A very good point that is almost always overlooked.
Everyone has an ethnic understanding, including the migrants themselves. A indigenous German exists. It’s insane that we even have to talk about this. The German constitution acknowledges this obvious fact. A Kurd with a Turkish passport will never call himself Turkish and a Turk would never consider him Turkish either. What is happening right now is a genocide and even acknowledging indigenous Germans/ Europeans exists makes you a right wing extremist. And yes many people who have a German passports have no allegiance towards the German people. Liberalism is truly fucking insane. You people don’t know what time it is. We will become persecuted minorities and the people who will destroy us will have German passports but won’t be German. Only retarded western liberals don’t understand this.
Westerners bought into the fact that they, like white bread, are not very colorful and therefore lack richness, or interest, therefore not valuable. Then, add the “guilt” for being successful. All leads to redistribution of wealth by force. This is the goal. Making strong, intelligent, industrious nations become impotent.
If you’re busy because you’re increasingly poor or fighting off local violence with no redress, you’re too busy to notice Starmer is rejoining Britain to the EU as he was doing last week.
"An ethnic understanding of Britishness would not only exclude grooming gangs but also people like Rishi Sunak, Sadiq Khan, Kemi Badenoch, Jude Bellingham, Bukayo Saka,...just to name a few."
Good?
"But talking about deporting your own citizens because of where their parents or grandparents came from is."
Is it? Even if it is, what's particularly wrong about it?
Many countries have implemented policies to preserve their traditional populations. Uganda expelled its Indian population at some point. Malaysia imposes restrictions on citizens of Chinese descent.
At the moment Fiji is being colonized by Indians who are taking over its power structure and discriminating against the indigenous population. Is it wrong (in some moral sense) for the Fijians to rise up and expel them?
It's rather hard to argue that colonization is bad when Europeans do it, but approve of the Indian colonization of Canada, the UK, or Fiji.
All parties contain some extreme elements. Our canadian NDP party contains openly communist individuals even tho the platform doesn’t necessarily, which makes them unelectable to me, but I don’t want to ban them.
My conservative parties contain people who want to ban abortion and yes some that want no immigration except white people, but those are fringe views not reflected in policy.
And those ideas are far less damaging than communism.
No one would object to and indeed the left explicitly supports an ethnic understanding of eg Indian or Sudanese (hence concepts such as colonisation and cultural appropriation). On that basis the English ought to be the afforded the same reality on the basis that the culture that flows from group identity is often ancient, meaningful and worth preserving. That is not to say that the people from elsewhere cannot assimilate into any other group but that is not what is happening if new people cling to other identities and norms, being what inevitably happens with mass migration.
2-4% of any political party will have some extremists. It doesn’t mean they represent the whole.
You are not racist, in my humble opinion. There is a dark shadow coming across Europe and the UK. Not sure how you folks will be able to fight back. But damn sure hope you do.
"I must admit that I don't think Britishness encompasses the Pakistani gangs that have drugged, raped and tortured thousands of young girls."
Well, it does now...
"Heroin, pedophilia, and torture" is simply a modernization of the traditional "rum, buggery, and the lash" -- though still not a culural improvement.
Somehow, I don't think the Pakistani gangs are building a world-class navy...
A world class navy made up of underage girls? USAID would have gladly funded that, just to allow US Democrats to claim another meaningless "first."
I don’t think it’s very canadian to firebomb a synagogue so I guess I’m racists too.
Seems to be a lot of us.
That is the key.
If it helps, you can calmly explain to the loonies that Pakistan is not a “race.” Nor is Islam, Muslim, English, or British. The word “race” is a term of science. So let’s use nomenclature correctly. Don’t fall for their baloney jargon. Yes?
I get big eyes and maybe, “….but, but….” If you are calm and not accusatory what can they say? Usually just crickets.
As in shock and slack jawed confusion.
Does " Britishness" encompass Prince Andrew, Saville, Maxwell or the thousands of white-bread pedos in Britain?
Yes, if they are indigenous. Ethnically.
The Right will always be extremist when the Left risks loosing an election. How extreme is that?
If germans don’t pour onto the streets Germany is a dictatorship.
Well said.
To label probably the most philosemitic party in the world that's not actually represented in the Knesset as "right wing" may seem absurd, particularly when it's led by a lesbian in a same sex marriage to a Sri Lankan.
However, those wanting to ban the AfD might have noted that the DNA analysis of Hitler's remains conducted in 2009 found that Hitler was XX, i.e., a biological woman, albeit probably with the SRY gene for male genitalia coded on one of those two X chromosomes (de la Chapelle syndrome), meaning that Hitler, who was married to a woman now known to have been of Jewish descent and whose own relatives have been found to have haplotypes associated with Ashkenazi and North African ancestry, was a gay intersex or transexual woman of likely mixed Jewish and Arab ancestry in a same sex marriage to a woman who was also of Jewish descent.
Thus, who are the racists and homophobes?
Hitler herself, as well as Alice Weidel and the leadership of the AfD would have been rounded up and marked for extermination by a real "right wing extremist" party in government.
I am super skeptical about this. I read up on it and the brain tested was a woman between 20 and 40 years old and the teeth tested were that of a vegetarian. I am more apt to believe the rumors that the US Government high tailed Hitler out Germany on a flight to Argentina. CIA records supposedly suggest this, the Argentina President alluded to it and the US Government has been extremely untrustworthy throughout history. I don’t think they have ever told the truth about a major event ie 911, JFK, RFK, MLK, Oklahoma bombing etc, etc.
What possible benefit would there be in keeping Hitler alive in some backwater country?
Hitler herself was a vegetarian and the skulls of de la Chapelle syndrome transwomen such as her may well have different characteristics to those of normal "cisgender " women jeasing to mistaken estimates of age. Only one in several thousand purported men is in reality a transwoman such as Hitler..
Interesting theory.
The British laid the foundations for this investigation as early as 1940. Their findings were encapsulated in the following verse rendering, which was set to a rousing melody:
Hitler has only got one ball,
Goering has two but very small,
Himmler has something similar,
And poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.
I'm told by the British that it must be delivered in a "Cockney" accent, so "Himmler" and "similar" form a perfect rhyme (imla/simla), while the masterstroke in the last line requires "Goebbels" to be pronounced roughly as "Go-balls".
Apparently, the British ascribe their victory in the war to this song.
Love that song! My husband taught it to me with that accent.
love this!
From now on I'm referring to Hitler (somehow the 21st century's most popular political figure) with They/Them pronouns, as we have no right to assume their chosen gender. Genocides happen all the time but misgendering is the true crime against humanity.
This is hilarious. Supposedly some Freudian headshrinker hired by the British made a study of Hitler's personality and concluded that he was missing a testicle, without any solid evidence whatsoever to support his thesis. This sounds like more of the same kind of nonsense.
There's a big difference between Sigmund Fraud and actual medical records. Medical records, taken after her arrest in 1923, show Hitler had "right-side cryptorchidism," meaning one of her testicles did not descend. This also suggests one testicle was likely stunted. Cryptorchidism is a common feature of de la Chapelle syndrome.
Those with the condition are infertile, as Hitler likely was, short and not very hirsute. Hitler most likely also had a micropenis (similar to a large clitoris) and possibly a vagina, like Harvey Weinstein (who is of similar ancestry to Hitler) does, according to the Italian actress who gave evidence against Weinstein.
Salvador Dali, who got erections whenever he saw pictures of Hitler in the newspapers, and was booted out of the dadaist movement for his obsession with wanting to penetrate Hitler sexually, described Hitler as the most feminine 'man' he had ever seen.
Also, if you consider Hitler's actions, they were typically feminist. Women are far more violent and likely to wage wars than men, according to studies of European history.
Medical record shows Hitler only had one testicle
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0U20KI/
Didn't something happen oh, 100 years or so ago?
It is unironically the sensible and centrist position to want to deport those who aren't ethically European.
Our governments are occupied by radicals and extremists.
The germans didn't do this in the 1930s, why would they do this now? What's different?
“Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV)” is quite the Orwellian term. The new Gestapo has arrived. BfV is protecting the constitution by destroying democracy.
The sad part is that I suspect the majority of germans think the Stasi V2 is an independent institution and a force for good. Just like smooth brains think antifa (modern black shirts) are anti-fascist.
It's an interesting thing. Not that long ago – as late as the last Merkel cabinet – critique of BfV came primarily from left-leaning mainstream-adjacent critics and journalists, who didn't like the fact that their environmental protests and their leftoid student orgs were being spied on by BfV. Then after Maaßen and the whole hase-du-bleibst-hier thing in Chemnitz, BfV changed direction, esp. during Corona becoming primarily an "anti-right" organisation and now the left and centre-left never speak a word against it.
Left/right, what's the difference any longer?
This overt move may satisfy the 'left' voices and attempt to silent the 'right', however, we all know that outlawing a particular way of thinking is the best way to ensure it's overall growth. The 'forbidden fruit' effect.
Here in the US, we woke up to the news (surprise, surprise...ya'll wonder why Vance is VP?) that Palantir (Thiel/Musk/Palpal mafia) won a no bid contract to 'track immigrants'. And the 'right' cheers.
How many on the 'right' will beg for a digital ID system that ensures their 'right to vote'? Even now, the deadline approaches where we Americans will need to produce our "papers" (real ID) to travel from state-to-state (thanks Bush/Cheney and the Patriot Act) for punishing your own citizens.
It's disheartening to realize how incredibly stupid people are to trust their governments when it is the governments themselves that causes and perpetuates this mess. All in the name of some moronic, undefined idea called 'democracy'.
> Americans will need to produce our "papers" (real ID) to travel from state-to-state
I'm no fan of "Real ID" but let's not engage in hysterics here. Not having one in no way precludes one from driving to any state one can reach in a car. It *will* prevent one from boarding an aircraft. It may be fucking retarded, but it's hardly the cataclysm you are claiming.
I refuse to let the "immigration problem" and the "deadline" panic me into signing up for Real ID, after resisting it ever since it went by the name of "Total Information Awareness." Since even before the anal-probers of TSA (which further cemented my resolve) I've taken only two air trips in the past 25 years -- one to a child's wedding in Hawaii, where I couldn't drive, and one to an immediate family funeral across the country, where I couldn't drive in time. Any long trip I need to take, I take by RV. And if ever I need to enter a federal building (other than my post office, which has no need to verify my ID), it won't be voluntarily, and my lack of a proper ID to attend my own persecution will be someone else's problem, not mine.
Perhaps it simply doesn't bother me, as I hold both a CDL and a DOE Q clearance. I never even had to *ask* for my DL to be a "Real ID", it just *was*. Though I will grant that I would prefer if it were required to vote. Make it actually *worth* something.
Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. I got a real ID years ago when they warned us we would need it to fly. Yeah I could have used my passport, but when flying around the states,it was just one more thing to deal with. It was simple to get it and I didn't think it was very intrucive
LOL. yes. I fly all of the time. so will use my passport.. a PO is a federal building ( where many murders take place. hence the term “going postal”) so i would think that would be the one place you would need it .. meanwhile enjoy to RV life
all about the money. as it costs to get. “REAL ID”: A fake ID was what I used to buy beer when I was 17.. the “real ID should be dropped.. I wont get one..
Every ID costs money to get.
Just wait...the frog in the hot water.
Darlin', you're talking to someone who doesn't think we should require driver's licenses. My point is to not blow things out of proportion. You wanna rail against the concept of ID in general? I'll back you up. But you can't win arguments with falsehoods.
actaully it is the frog in the cold water to start.. but yes..amping up
We all need a Driver’s License to fly now. Try to get on a plane without one. Or a Passport. What different info is on a Real ID other than a star in the upper right hand corner. I’ve been vetted 6 ways to Sunday by having TSA precheck, Global entry and Clear ID. Plus, everyone has my SS number it’s been hacked so many times. I’m more irritated that every doctor, pharmacy, medical cartel shares my private, medical info without permission. I went to the eye doctor and they had all my pharmacy records. I never said they could have that. I was told everyone shares everything. What more can be tracked? They already know where I travel, where I shop, what kind of car I drive, where I live, if I take cholesterol pills. What’s left to know?
makes you wonder. or makes me wonder when I am at Heathrow.. and so many women in full burquas get on planes. how are they IDed?
Warning, the truth may explode your mind.
Here in the US, illegal aliens not possessing verified ID to get on a flight can show TSA a copy of their "warrant for arrest of undocumented immigrant" and be waved aboard.
I'm not sh*g you.
https://www.risch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2022/3/illegal-immigrants-are-using-arrest-warrants-to-get-through-airport-security
Maybe next time, I'll wear my 'nun' costume from Halloween? 😉
Yes, "cultural sensitivity" of that sort is flamingly retarded. But that's somewhat orthogonal to the question of whether one will require a Real ID to leave one's home state.
When you get a certain age, what they “know” about me becomes more and more irrelevant. In other words, who cares?
But no one needs anything to vote in the US. That's why I object to Real ID. And I'll admit that I'm finally going to break down and get one as my family lives in Texas and Florida and I don't know how much longer I can make long car trips.
QUOTE: ... we Americans will need to produce our "papers" (real ID) to travel from state-to-state (thanks Bush/Cheney and the Patriot Act) for punishing your own citizens.
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The entire TSA/airport rigmarole introduced after the 9/11 operation had been planned and refined for many years in advance, the real aim being to teach the hoi polloi that airline travel (indispensable in a large country like the U.S.) and indeed any travel is now a "privilege," to be granted or withheld at the whim of the powers that be.
Meanwhile, private jet usage has continued to grow, with a large boost following the start of the worldwide COVID operation. Our neo-feudal betters prefer to travel in peace, "far from the madding crowd."
Smooth brains.
+10. Useful term. Thx!
“Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV)” is quite the Orwellian term."
Two things you can always count on from the Left -- they will accuse their opponents (often out of nowhere) of exactly the crimes they themselves are secretly committing (the candidate never legitimized by a single citizen's vote, accusing her opponents of "destroying democracy"); and they will describe their programs as the opposite of what they really do (the "Inflation Reduction Act," "Inclusion" for a program of anti-white racism).
Yes, this is how the filthy Democrats operate in the US. And our liberal media shrieks to High Heaven about everything a Republican does about anything, ever. Dems lie, cheat and steal. Over and over. It’s nauseating and exhausting.
So, in order to save Germany, we must conclude that there is no such thing as an actual German. All that matters is that you occupy a certain piece of real estate in central Europe. Make it to the banks of the Rhine and you're in. And all that "culture" stuff, just another rightwing construct designed to discriminate against brown people.
This dovetails nicely with your last post about political stupidity.
Excellent comment.
Absolutely correct assumption of what the "liberal elite" espouse in their ideology. They have absolutely no cultural awareness.
In their view it would be something like "Economic zone 1326, former designation 'Germany'".
Is it the official position of the BfV and the German state that everyone who holds German citizenship papers bears an equal moral burden for the Holocaust, irrespective of ethnic descent, ancestry, or immigration history?
exactly the question I would like to press. also as as German, should I renounce my citizenship, am I then relieved of inherited responsibility for the Holocaust
They are also eroding citizenship rights for ethnic Germans, by the way. If you're a German citizen born overseas after 1999, your children will lose their German citizenship if their birth is not reported to a German authority within one year (§ 4 Abs. 4 StAG). I absolutely would have lost my own German citizenship if such a law had applied to me, and as a fren of the German-American diaspora I think you will find this outrageous.
Germany has none.
To think and act otherwise distorts otherwise rational viewpoints. With very bad consequences.
Consider the fact that Germany is now the number one (USA apart - but they don't really count as The RPTB there are mostly Jewish) supporter of Israel.
Putin is on record as saying modern day Germans should not feel responsible for the death of 25- 30 million souls in WW2.
Yet UVDL and similar are intent on carrying on the family tradition...
Another interesting question is whether the right to German citizenship by ancestry still exists. I don't know whether it does. It was originally set up to help _ethnic_ (or "cultural"? Or "linguistic"?) Germans who were expelled from e.g. Silesia or Slavonia immediately post WW2: and who, inevitably, ended up in a Germany to which they had no ties, except the "ethnic" tie, and recourse to Germany as the "welcoming nation of last resort" (Arendt's "Origins..." is excellent on the development of ethnic - and 1:1 mapped nation - they're not the same thing - identities where they perhaps didn't previously exist). Even language may have been a problem for them, given the 400-year-divergent varieties of German spoken in those areas.
I do remember reading that the question of the German-Polish border was not resolved for decades, partly because the Silesian German exiles were politically powerful and (obviously) still furious about their expulsion.
It's an interesting contrast. A "migrant" policy which was founded on an idea of cultural/linguistic/ethnic "Germanness", very recently in German history. But now it seems it's the opposite.
I suppose this "contradiction" or "aporia" could be resolved by the hypothesis that officially-approved migrant policy, rather than being founded on timeless principles, is _always_ opportunistic, always made for practical reasons. Humanely, in the case of that post-WW2 idea to officially recognise an already-occurring flood of "German" refugees; boldly and bravely (and perhaps foolhardily), when Merkel resolved the crisis at Hegyeshalom/Nickelsdorf with her "wir schaffen das" (I ask you, what else could have solved that, given Orbán's - I think justified - refusal of Dublin II?); and now, cynically: to cast anyone who has any reservations about mass, unlimited immigration as "far-right".
Another interesting question: where do the German Turks, or Germans of Turkish origin (or whatever the correct term is) stand on this? One of my German teachers was one of them. And many of them (like him) are 2nd-generation, born in Germany of German citizens with Turkish ancestry.
Very thought provoking comment.
Thank you.
Only here in America where I am guilty of slavery because I am white. Well, half guilty. My paternal Grandfather was not here until 1903 according to records. My maternal ancestor came to Jamestown in 1680 so I half guilty of the sin of slavery.
I'm from Minnesota, a state that never had slavery and in fact was the first one to volunteer troops to President Lincoln in the Civil War on behalf of the Union.
More directly, one of my ancestors volunteered to fight on the Union side, and ended up imprisoned in a grisly Confederate POW camp.
I have NOTHING to do with slavery, in the USA or anywhere else.
Indeed, my cultural, political, and religious upbringing roundly condemn anything resembling the enslavement of other humans.
On this subject, I insist I be left alone.
Stop bothering me and rubbing my nose in historical excrement that by now is fossilized and nobody I know had anything to do with producing.
I'm reminded of that famous quote by a witness at a Senator McCarthy hearing during the Red Scare of the early 1950's: "At long last, sir, have you no decency?"
Americans need to stand up to the grifting race baiters once and for all.
It's over, long ago.
The brilliant US Constitution applies to every US citizen.
That's it.
As they used to say, "Right On."
I get the joke, but it never works out trying to haggle with your enemies when they hold power.
"You can't negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth!"
Good question
The 1100 pages are probably just screenshots of hurty tweets. And I found the inclusion of islamophobia in the list of grievances quite revealing. Especially the part where they say the irrational fear of islam. There is nothing irrational about fearing and despising islam. I would say that islam is even less compatible with the German constitution than the views held by many in the AfD.
>>The central political crime of the AfD and its members is alleged to be their “prevailing understanding of the German people” as a group “defined by ethnic descent” – an understanding they say is “incompatible with the free democratic basic order.”<<
Hmm... so Vlad Putin could export 60 million of his supporters to Germany, and these noble protectors of the free democratic basic order would be fine with that?
I often wonder about this. What if, instead of invading Ukraine, Putler just sent a million Russians across the eastern border of Ukraine and had them all claim asylum.
Cool, exploiting the internal contradictions of their own philosophy. That would make their heads explode.
BTW, "Putler" -- I see what you did there! 😄
But what if their heads remain intact?
Hollowpoints.
I used a similar example two decades ago against multi-kulti cultists here:
"China is an oppressive dictatorship where people can be jailed for their opinions, yes?"
"Yes?"
"That makes the oppressed into political refugees, yes?"
"Yes?"
"So if China was to send 10 000 000 adult Chinese of either sex to Sweden, we would by law and praxis be obligated to grant asylum, residence and eventually citizenship and franchise, yes?"
"Uhm, erhm, technically, yes...?"
"So what would then stop these 10 000 000 to start their own party, win elections and majority and then rule that Sweden is now a province of China?"
Cue rage, incoherent ramplings, insults, the usual crap. One guy I know and am still on speaking terms with, is still pissed at me for "trapping him" (his words) in his own logic; he had argued that we must always accept people in if they come from nations where they are oppressed, without any limit in numbers.
I suggest spreading the question, but definitely using Russia/Ukraine instead.
I'm astonished. Haven't your leftist friends heard that logic is merely a White patriarchal construct, a tool in the apparatus of oppression wielded against the colonial Other? Etc.
The Chinese, by the way, call these people 白左 ("white left") and mock them mercilessly on the internet. The term isn't officially used in CCP circles, but if the CCP disapproved in any way, it would have been banned years ago. Of course, the stupid 白左 unwittingly serve the CCP in weakening China's rivals.
Nicely done.
However, as a Canadian, importing numbers of Russians and Ukrainians would give us some skilled hockey players.
Ping pong is not a great draw here.
The "liberal" - as they're called here in the USA - worldview is utterly incoherent.
These people can't even connect two dots.
Norfolk: "You lay traps for me!"
More: "Nay, I show you the times."
Ironically, Ukraine would then -- by their own laws -- require them to learn to speak Ukrainian, and undergo other means of "Ukrainization". Which is certainly not a thing Germany is doing to the immigrants and asylum seekers there.
But you are describing the situation that already existed PRIOR to his invasion, in the region of Ukraine that he invaded. Rather than those ethnic Russians winning any sort of representation in Ukraine proper, they were harassed and persecuted by OG Nazis, who were, shall we say, staunchly unreceptive to any sort of "ethnic representation" argument.
The history of Slavs is quite the rabbit hole. I need to learn more about the "Kievan Rus" - circa 900 A.D.
Gosh, who would try such a dastardly trick as that?
Wow.
That would be a stroke of genius on the part of Russia.
Force the "West" to put its money where its mouth is.
Word games not backed by power are meaningless.
Words are fundamentally commands, not descriptions.
To point out hypocrisy is merely to point out who has power or is acting on behalf of power.
"Hmm... so Vlad Putin could export 60 million of his supporters to Germany, and these noble protectors of the free democratic basic order would be fine with that?"
You are precisely describing what went on at our southern border under Biden. Not all our invaders were Latin American, they came from every country on earth... including such a sizable contingent from China that they had their own (militarized and secure from observation) base camp on the far side of the Darien Gap. Our MSM has never found this story interesting enough to present -- the conspiracy persists.
Not a conspiracy . Fact
That is why I said conspiracy -- not conspiracy theory.
Most of which also become proven facts, but I digress.
The president of Panama claims to have closed the Darien Gap. Not sure how we could prove that to be true or not, but at least he said it out loud.
Wow, what a he-man, to be sure.
Any Idiot can repair a faucet washer once someone else has turned off the house water feed for him.
It never works trying to play word games against enemies who hold power over you.
I repeat, word games, while they may tickle our own minds, DO NOT WORK.
Power will just ignore you and make whatever decision it wants.
“Imagining you can fend off Leviathan by waving papers in His face takes into account neither the nature of the individuals who make up the State, nor that of the system in which they operate.”
–VICTOR MILAN
The technocratic and Leftist governments of the West are chasing their own legalistic pathway. They cannot go back or they will collapse.
Their hatred for the ties that bind us as peoples is clear. In the process they take a well constructed brick house and dissolve the mortar holding the bricks together.
The result will be collapse of the whole house.
The mortar seems to be such a small part of the house,so it can be ignored in their minds,but eventually reality will win.
Totally agree. It is all part of a concerted effort to destroy the European cultural edifice. It is all too reminiscent of the fall of the Roman empire through the progressive weakening of what Rome stood for and from which it derived its strength.
Great comment.
We 🇺🇸 the people are just moving on from government and politics or at least parties to our own solutions. We just aren’t waiting.
Nor should you.
Government as we knew it is done. In particular given legal systems of any kind, never mind the hidebound legacy systems of the West with its absurd rituals and priesthood of the Judiciary, government as we knew it is finished. We aren’t. Just moving past them at our own pace- speed of digital communication and the handshake.
Nor are nations finished, nor peoples, Globalism got it backwards; it’s governments that are - as we knew the government- finished and in their place the nation returns.
Of course they’ll be governance and governments, but it will be the networked state- the networked nation state, and the network that governs least will focus best on what the state has always been there to do - defense, order, common rules, protection to the minimal necessary from each other.
Trust returns to being paramount.
(No, the global digital nomad won’t rise, anymore than Gypsies or Roma or Bedouin take over the world. Trust remains everything).
Hope you’re right…..
Well WE have to DO IT,
These three 'incontrovertible extreme rightwing' quotes from AfD politicians have, as you wrote, been leaked to the German press. The reader comment posts i saw were scathing, observing that, if factual observations e.g. about crime, makes one right-wing then not just AfD voters would be right wing.
I was flabbergasted though when I read the BfV statement that this 1100-pages long 'dossier' was only for 'internal use' and couldn't be published ... perhaps, as in earlier such cases, there were too many BfV 'employees' in the Party, as agents provocateurs?
Yes, Madame Faeser did this to force the hands of the incoming government. Recall - the elections were at the end of February - a good two months ago. This is the result of the much[vaunted proportional election system. When I see this - where ousted politicians can still decide huge national issues, the I say: gimme FPTP (first past the post)!
"Today in Stuttgart, a German man..."
Today a Gothenburger was killed in Syria ...
Moving the goalposts to get the result you have decided to get is delusional and even worse dangerous as it will radicalise the people who expected a fair game and have been told and assured for years that it is a game where the same rules apply for everyone.
They cannot get through a day without a rationalization as to why moving the goal posts was absolutely the correct, most constiutional thing to do.
Forgetting for a moment that this is in itself a betrayal of democracy, the German people and the German nation and history and culture -
- it is also patently stupid.
You don't squash a peaceful contender for power; you invite them in and co-opt and corrupt their movement, until you have stolen all their popular talking points and made them yours, leaving them with the option to blanderise themselves to resemble you, or give voice to the more extreme and outrageous stuff which is too far from the middle and mainstream to garner enough real support in elections.
Either way, you win (you meaning "the party/parties in power").
Even better, in a parliamentary democracy you don't even need to actually do anything once you've co-opted stuff; you can bury it in "investigations" and committees and "waiting on expert opinions" for decades if needed, while only making incremental changes to policies.
By treating the AfD as challengers, they have become challengers. Had they invited them in when they were at 5%-10% on the national level, they would have stopped growing and after two-three elections they would splinter. One part, the ones given seats in councils and the Bundestag, would have been blanderised and corrupt as above, too enamoured with their paychecks and privileges to consider risking rocking the boat. The other part would splinter off into various no-chance parties that would soon disintegrate under their own dysfunctional leadership.
And after inviting them in, and after about half the time between elections, have state & regime-loyal media start pushing out pieces on how masterfully [insert mainstream politician/party here] has out-maneuvered and/or tamed the contender, neutralising their attempts at extremism and forcing them to behave. The object of this is to cause internal strife, where grass-roots members and actual True Believers start publicly scandalising and criticising party leadership for "not getting anything done" and having been "tamed". This serves to stop growth, and drive potential fence-sitters from the other parties.
Also, consider having some heavy names "defect" to the contender party in return for high-level positions within the party, and guarantees for important seats in any future coalition. This ensures the contending party will move towards your position on all issues, since they will come to depend on the contacts and networks made available by the "defectors".
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Am I right in assuming the above is no longer taught at German universities in the pol-sci, psychology, sociology and information/communications-departments?
absolutely. Union parties should have given AfD the hug of death in 2017, when they first got into Bundestag. instead, because they are retarded, they walled off the party and basically bred this lab-perfect sterilised populist right-leaning party in a petri dish. something this insane has never been attempted anywhere else.
The UK is giving the Petri dish strategy a good try with Reform. But to be fair they did try the bear hug first, until it lost credibility with the public.
Completely tactically right. Apparently no one has any strategy.
the enemy of my enemy is my friend
Your last sentence is the most intriguing. The AFD is now not only the most popular party, but the only real "alternative" now that BSW is out (possibly through voter fraud). Will the AFD take even more voters from the traditional parties as they double down on their Hellward trajectory, more desparate than ever to maintain a firewall whose foundation is crumbling? How many more authoritarian tricks will they need to pull out of their hats to keep this shit going?
'How many more authoritarian tricks will they need to pull out of their hats to keep this shit going?'
And perhaps the more potent question, do they really think it will work indefinitely?
How likely is it that some BSW voters will cross over to AfD? Like Bernie Bros going over to Trump.
Thank you for the lovely word „hellward.“
This is what Vance pointed out in Munich in his speech : that Europe’s greatest threat comes from within - it is sliding towards totalitarianism where free speech is curtailed. They cancelled elections in Roumania, cancelled Le Pen in France and now preparing to illegalize AfD in Germany. And yet not a word about that Von der Leyen character and her shady negotiations with Pfizer whose vaccines have killed and injured millions. I personally want no part of what EU has become.
Well, you'd nailed it before anyone else and there's little joy in having sharp vision.
We ought to sneak in shipping containers to you guys full of Trump mugshot tee-shirts, perhaps with those tiny thingies used to play greetings in birthday cards sewn into the side seams and activated when you put one on. What was that song that had the authorities all knicker-twisted last year?
The German magazine, Compact, offers bathrobes for sale on their website to commerate the dawn raid of their house last year when Faeser banned their publication and their publisher was photographed standing on the sidewalk in his bathrobe. Best to be prepared if you're a regime critic.
Isn't it remarkable how rare a genuine sense of humor is?