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Through the looking glass's avatar

He has just waded into the grooming gangs scandal in the U.K, so now the English left are losing their heads!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/04/grooming-gangs-scandal-cover-up-oldham-telford-rotherham/

Like this?!

Could you imagine being so cold hearted you'd rather cover up rape than being able to disingenuously virtue signal?

Just disgusting.

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Hollis Brown's avatar

even the name they chose for these perpetrators is designed to mislead. ‘Asian grooming gang’ sounds like a group of Kung-Fu barbers riding around on scooters.

it’s much better than ‘Pakistani Rape Gangs’ which is much more accurate…

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Codebra's avatar

"Asian" in the UK normally refers to people from the Indian subcontinent.

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6jgu1ioxph's avatar

True, but if I understand correctly, the rape gangs are far more of a Pakistani Muslim phenomenon than an Indian Hindu phenomenon.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

The biggest slaver, rape and sex-trafficking gang was and is Jewish. Think Epstein, Maxwell, Hollywood and The Jewish State. P DIddy was just a short and stubby branch of it.

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Barekicks's avatar

Yep. They are exclusively Muslim rape gangs, the vast majority led by Pakistanis whose origins are in rural Punjab. However in some cases Bangladeshis, Somalis and other ethnicities have also been involved.

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Kerry Davie's avatar

Probably 'exclusively' I'd suggest.

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Hollis Brown's avatar

I realize that but I believe it’s intentional.

to the average modern citizen an Asian is a non threatening Chinese guy.

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Through the looking glass's avatar

It's horrendous. I've been reading about this for years now, but in the last few days new details have emerged, and it's truly sickening. Not just the sheer depravity of the crimes, but the massive cover-up.

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Völva's avatar

What is the ultimate force and ulterior motive behind destroying European and European originating societies?

The ugly PC/wokeness virus has deeply infected societies, but to allow one’s own children to be abused by foreigners is unthinkably sick. It reminds me of fidelity tests that e.g. gang initiations incorporate. “Prove that you are a true believer by committing this heinous act”.

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DAM on the beach's avatar

That is the question. What is the force? One must identify a problem to root it out.

What is that malevolent force?

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Fred Ickenham's avatar

I believe it is the globalists such as the World Economic Council that try to cause chaos in western societies in order to undermine nationalism which is the chief enemy to unifying globalist rule via financial mechanisms primarily.

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Steven Work's avatar

What force?

What group has captured our Federal Gov and into our States and local to the DEI pushing white men poverty-genociding Zionist-Satanist Cock-sucking violent-criminal releasing white Church-going defenders of family arresting, shop-lifting law-order destroying Judicial System, and through international corporations more powerful then entire nations mind-raping us all, steady Christian virtue-based societies killing and those men defending them arresting and make homeless, Sickening and making vicious Delusional psychotic our Womanhood and turning them into murdering destroying soul-killing horrors all around and in our families, and-or the immune genociding inHuman demonic monsters from Hell .. perhaps?

Inquiring minds want to know.

God Bless., Steve

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Soulminkey's avatar

That's a lot of words just to say "freemasons".

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly. Well said

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Tommy Robinson and Peter McClaughlin’s book was very illuminating on this. Tommy tried for years to bring this to the attention of the world.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Easy Meat: Peter McLoughlin and Tommy Robinson. Peter being the main author. That’s the one I was talking about.

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Barekicks's avatar

Banned from Amazon, crazily enough. But available through other retailers.

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Völva's avatar

Thank you, much appreciated!

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Like I said. It’s on my phone Kindle but not my actual Kindle. I have most of those books and they are on my Kindle.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Amazon should have it. I found it on by y Kindle.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

I cannot find the one on the grooming gangs here. As I paid for it I hope it is still there.

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Völva's avatar

What is the book called? I can’t find any books by those authors on Amazon, for example.

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Connect The Dots's avatar

Info about their book according to Grok

https://x.com/i/grok/share/cHLmpmfeuqtIXZ441aQ8DJO8p

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Let me look on my kindle.

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Kerry Davie's avatar

It has been 'disappeared' on Amazon. When you type in Peter McLoughlin it responds with 'peter mclaughlin' and entirely different books.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

I have it on my phone. Hopefully it will disappear. I paid for it so it’s a bit rich to make it unavailable is a bit rich.

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ShirtlessCaptainKirk's avatar

This cover-up is incredible as an example of manufacturing public consent. The power structure, engineering the social dynamics needed for such atrocities to occur, hides the truth as long as possible. The important thing to know (more important than your daughters being raped?!) is that grooming gangs are fads of other cultures and have nothing to do with the pure religion of Islam. Therefore, this is no different than white men who commit rape. Your objections are frankly racist. You need to be silenced, and "do better." It's amazing how boilerplate postmodern dogma can sweep so many things into the Marxist sandbox. Think: an ideological optic on truth that takes priority over the observable reality of child rape and human trafficking. But at least they're not racists. I'd be angry if I didn't know that I'm a victim of 'false consciousness.'

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Völva's avatar

Any culture that produces and at least on some levels condones this sort of behavior, ie it’s not perpetrated only by the insane, is objectively shit. An unfortunate dead end of human civilization that will harm and torment untold numbers of individuals in its way to the dustbin of history.

Desmond Morris talked about this already 50+ years ago. Not all expressions of human culture are representative of humanity as a whole, some are dead ends, cultures gone wrong. This is most certainly an example of what he was talking about, and unfortunately there are many more.

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Chiadrum's avatar

To be fair, every privileged, white orifice in the world deserves to be violated. Yes, this is sarcasm. Although the BBC certainly feels that way.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Why would this surprise us?

It's my understanding that child rape is an integral part of British society and history, performed by both imported men and their so-called 'royalty'.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Yes. It looks like the Droit de Seigneur, among other 'rights' such as plundering the serfs and being above the law, was never rescinded. Did you know that Jizzlain [sic] Maxwell [also sic] had a key to the Palace and her own apartment in it?

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Moonspinner's avatar

Recall the 2015 video and photo of the nude young man escaping from Buckingham Palace -- dangerously hanging from sheets tied together, that was videotaped by a tourist waiting for the changing of the Queen's Guard. The ridiculous "explanation" subsequently offered when the video went viral was that the video was a marketing ploy for the launch of an E! entertainment show called "The Royals," as if the Queen would have allowed Buckingham Palace to be used for such a disgusting marketing gimmick.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

nothing has changed since the 'dark' middle ages. nobility could marry a child, could rape a new bride, could have a concubine unpunished. Who knows what else, we don't know?

Recently a meme of Muhamed with a 9 year old 'birde' is doing the rounds. Several years ago I read a book about Muhamed, it turned out that he 'married' several orphans and widows, who would otherwise have starved. I don't agree at all with the violent Islam, but there is little of it in the Qran (which I read almost completely). If you look at the old testament, there is a lot of violence in it as well, all the parts that never get read in church.

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Steven Work's avatar

I remember that a father went to a house where his 14-year-old was being gang-raped by grown men and while the father was trying to get his daughter away from them, he, the rapists, or someone called the UK Police, and Poice arrested him and dragged him away - leaving the daughter with the gang in the house.

Kind of like fathers after being divorced-raped and the Sick back-stabbing psycho mother is refusing him access, using the police to remove him, while dress-up the son in girl cloths and making him call himself a female name and scheduling sterilizing drugs and sexual mutilations coordinated with the Witch teachers .. At what point to do kill everyone but the children, and pray to God before the police kill you as you trying to kill the Judge, pray they not trafficked by family-services to pedo-raping homosexual couples?

Maybe UK and EU populations need a 2nd Amendment and they and we all have regular assassinations of those vile elites - until they are pissing themselves in fear and Elites stop Sucking Zionist-Satan Stap-ons, perhaps?

God Bless., Steve

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Police are masters of violence. They probably felt a strong affinity for the rapists.

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Jeff McRockets's avatar

You have to remember that profit (sic) Mohammed was raping a 9 yr old “wife” so pedophilia is integral to islam

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Given that Slavery, Banking, The Sex 'Trade' and the Porn "Industry" has been and is clearly run by Jews, you might consider sewing your mouth shut, if only for your own self-preservation.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

It's a fucked up religion. All you have to do is read the Koran. It's all there in plain sight

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Perhaps, but nowhere is genocide championed and sanctified as much as in the Old Testament. It was seen as so odious and irrelevant to Christianity that it was actually not used in the Early Church for almost a Century. I am not sure its rehabilitation was entirely a good idea.

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Jeff McRockets's avatar

FFS Franz. Genocide has been part of human history - it’s just the OT Jews were good at writing it down…

Islam is the current world champ for 14 centuries of murder and mayhem and yes - pedophilia - if for nothing other than over a 120:1 goat fakker to Jew ratio in the world.

Relax Frank…. It’ll be OK. Are there Jews in your closet?

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Any sources, even anonymous, or statistics, even fake for your self-serving and sleazy claim... ending in an ad hominem attack? You lost bigly in the eyes of anyone who reads your post.

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SnowInTheWind's avatar

Good point. And we might add that Islam began with Mohammad's failed attempt to sell himself to a Jewish community as a new prophet of their religious tradition.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

That sounds at least as plausible as the claim that Mohammed took dictation from the Real Estate God of the Jews, whom Jesus posited He was 'the Son' of. Not really implausible at all, unless you deny the agency of 'fairy tales' and myths to convey the Truth and prefer to rely on the CIA version of 'reality'. And to quote a Great American who understood at least something: "Fuck the Jews. They do not vote for us anyway."

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Have you ever read the OT or the Talmud? You should. It will broaden your horizons.

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Jeff McRockets's avatar

Just read Abraham’s 318 man Special Forces attack at night on Chedo and his 4 buddies. Cool stuff.

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Riri's avatar

It's brilliant to witness. 2025 certainly started off good. Let's hope this is the year we beat the leftist woke cult

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SCA's avatar

Let's hope this is the year we start beating all cults.

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ZuZu’s Petals's avatar

I do wish the press would ditch the expression “grooming gangs” and replace it with a more honest “raping gangs”. The word “grooming” diminishes the wickedness involved in these activities.

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Through the looking glass's avatar

Completely agree

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Yes, "grooming" sounds like what happens to people, or dogs, in a 'salon'.

And while they are at reform, perhaps they should drop the CIA fabricated terms Conspiracy Theory and Anti Semite.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Not quite. 'The English' are annoyed at the State cover up of mass criminality by men mainly from Pakistan. Why are they encouraged to import ideas based only on skin colour because rape and inter-family marriage are OK in their homeland? What happened about rule of law in the host country? What's next?

We've been angry about this long before Mr Musk spoke about it.

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Vivian Evans's avatar

Indeed we have! I've been outraged ever since the first report appeared in the then still useful Times - that was 12 years ago! More reports came out, there were inquiries - and after a little wave of outrage it all was brushed back under the carpet.

It will peter out again - and I think this last 'outrage' where suddenly a few more 'experts' are jumping on the bandwagon, will peter out as usual.

Meanwhile I wonder what TPTB want to hide by diverting our attention to the latest replay of 'grooming gang outrage' ...

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wolf's avatar

What do you expect when the same garbage people that commit those crimes become DEI hires in the police force and city officials.

Time to send that human garbage back home including their families.

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Batia's avatar

People who commit such crimes should be executed, not sent back home to their countries.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Given the evidence which should finally become public knowledge later this month, and the very same former DPP involved in this issue, it is 'save the Kier' time. In other words, he decisions may yet turn out to be unsafe. Now we see the national party is happy to leave a bunch of locals to write this up. 'Save the Kier!'

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Vivian Evans's avatar

Indeed - and never mind that staunch party 'comrades' like the current minister (can't recall for what) Miss Jess Phillips will lose her seat - to islamic groups. She only kept by the skin of her teeth.

Fun times ahead in old Blighty.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Ms Jess Pillipps MP is Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State (Minister for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls).

Who refuses to act.

Fire her.

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alexei's avatar

Musk stated she should be in prison but refrained from suggesting the same penance should apply to Prime Minister Starmer, who was the Director of Public Prosecutions at the time (2008-2013) that this scandal was first revealed and is now trying to excuse his inaction to the public.

The gist of most public comment now seems to be that all those involved in closing their eyes to this unspeakable crime should face prison.

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Vivian Evans's avatar

Moreover, she is trying tow easel out by saying the local communities should investigate. That would be a local community where she bare scraped because islamist candidates garnered so many votes ...

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Arrest her for dereliction of duty?

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Being an MP in any parliamentary democracy looks more and more like a taskless thanks.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Sir Queer Stormtruper.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

One of many in all mainstream political parties.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

It seems there is no more arguing 'cultural differences'.

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janoskar.hansen@gmail.com's avatar

somebody must lance the poison called gang rape

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Or lance the perpetrators and enablers of gang rape.

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Colin Hunt's avatar

This used to be solved by a noose. You did not coddle criminals and rapists they were hanged. The only real problem was that then the aristocrats tended to get away with it.

Unpleasantly that's still the case. Flagrant public examples would be Jeffrey Epstein, Prince Andrew, or Harvey Weinstein. Or all of the other "celebrities" who were among the visitors to Pedophile Island.

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EppingBlogger's avatar

Yep. There is nothing the left in all the old parties like more than a bit of under age rape by culturally diverse immigrants.

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Peter Hönig's avatar

My inner conspiracy theorist says that this is his answer to the horse’s head that MI6 has laid into his bed in Las Vegas. Interesting times.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Yet the Perfidious English did not 'lose their heads' when Moishe (Boris) Johnson (Der Pfeffelstein) interfered in the Peace of Astana thus ensuring the deaths of an extra 500,000 Christian Ukrainian Slavs?

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Ernest Judd's avatar

"Rape Gangs"

They are "Rape gangs".

don't kid yourself.

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Dr. X's avatar

Democracy “with guardrails” (for which the German state is the prototype) is a model the entire Western establishment is either in the process of adopting or would like to. In the US, since “guardrails” for democracy are unconstitutional, a secret government has emerged which is putting up guardrails anyway.

It’s important to stand on the principle that “democracy with guardrails” is no democracy at all.

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Dr. X's avatar

And, in before and just to be clear, laws against murder are universal and should not be able to be impeded or eliminated by “democracy”. There are also natural and human rights which any polity has the right to protect against “democracy”.

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forceOfHabit's avatar

Ummm...pretty sure the whole US constitution is all about "democracy with guardrails" (the electoral college and all that, a republic not a democracy, blah, blah, blah).

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Henrybowman's avatar

Those are guardrails to limit the government, not the people.

"Democracy with guardrails," what a risible concept. What other analogies are possible? Training wheels. Horse blinders. Those inflatable tubes installed in bowling alley gutters for toddler birthday parties.

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Colin Hunt's avatar

The 'guard rails' in the US constitution were to limit both. The Founding Fathers took one look at what was happening in France after 1789. The US Constitution wsa structured to avoid all that by rejecting any notion of 'direct' democracy.

The United States is not a true Democracy; it is a Republic which has many of its officials elected.

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Henrybowman's avatar

All of what you say is true. What is an important distinction is that the government in Washington was deliberately designed to be a federal government, not a national government. It was a government of and over states, not of and over citizens. It had no police powers directly over the people except for four enumerated federal crimes: counterfeiting, treason, piracy, and violations of international law. The people's opinion was filtered through proportionate representation (House), but the states' participation (Senate) was a direct democracy. Alas, entropy and the tendency for the powerful to accumulate more power destroyed this wonderful concept during the Civil War years, and we now have an overweening "national" government to rival any other empire's. Too late we learn that the Antifederalists were right.

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Colin Hunt's avatar

Henry, agreed entirely. The US Constitution was designed to PREVENT majorities from crushing some minority. What seemed to be happening in France was repeated successful attempts by "the mob" to overturn government violently. There were a succession of government coups, until finally a mob riot overthrew the government and produced Napoleon as an absolute ruler.

The impact France was important and is ongoing, In just over two centuries, France has gone through two Monarchies, one Committee of Public Safety, two Empires, one Paris Commune, and five Republics. All of these changes were done by violently overthrowing the previous system. The most recent such change, the formation of the Fifth Republic, happened in 1961 in OUR lifetime. And yes, all of this is confirmation that Thomas Jefferson was right and that Alexander Hamilton was wrong.

And it's good to remember that the United States was founded and sustained by people fleeing assorted tyrannies in Europe. They wanted no part in recreating the sort of tyranny they fled. And this included England, let alone the misery, absolutism and chaos of Russia, Austro-Hungary and Germany.

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Silva's avatar

The founders took a look at what was happening in France after 1789, and decided to use what they had learned during the framing of our Constitution... which was written in 1787!

America's founders were already aware of the nature of democracy and its propensity to devolve into mob rule before the French Revolution. Their writings to this effect predate the unrest in France, as does the text of the Constutution itself.

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Colin Hunt's avatar

Many Amendments to the Constitution came later, starting in 1795. The 11th through 27th amenments came 1795-1992

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forceOfHabit's avatar

Hi Henry, OK maybe you can explain to me how the Electoral College which allows for a candidate to win the presidency despite losing the popular vote is a restriction on the government and not the people.

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Henrybowman's avatar

It goes to the heart of my earlier explanation that the DC government was designed to be federal, not national. Presidents are elected by states, not by people, because presidential power is over states, not people... by design, anyway. A person's controlling government was meant to be his own local state, not a compound full of bureaucrats in DC.

As for the German "guardrails" fantasy, my response is this:

Many politicians are in the habit of laying it down as a self-evident proposition, that no people ought to be free till they are fit to use their freedom. The maxim is worthy of the fool in the old story, who resolved not to go into the water till he had learned to swim. If men are to wait for liberty till they become wise and good in slavery, they may indeed wait forever.

-- LORD THOMAS MACAULAY

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Colin Hunt's avatar

Agreed, Henry. There's an old, old saying. "Freedom thrives when government is terrified of its people. Slavery thrives when people are terrified of their governments."

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forceOfHabit's avatar

Oh ffs. Founding father James Madison explicitly said the US constitution was written to protect against "the tyranny of the majority" (e.g. https://www.founderoftheday.com/founder-of-the-day/federalist-51). If that doesn't fit the definition of "democracy with guard rails" I don't know what does.

As for the German version of "guardrails", I agree: ludicrous. But it is still true that the US is basically, by design, a democracy with guardrails (whether you think those guardrails are well intentioned, well designed, are fulfilling their intended function, or not).

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Silva's avatar

There is no popular vote. It's a made-up thing that has no meaning.

The states are empowered to select their electors by any means they wish. They are not required by the US Constitution to hold a presidential election. It happens that all the states have chosen to hold elections to determine the electors who will be sent to Washington, but that is by no means required.

Each election for "president" is a statewide election to select that state's slate of electors in a manner regulated by the state. Each state's delegation of electors is completely distinct from every other state's. It makes no sense to add together one state's votes for one group of people who like Trump to any other state's votes for a completely separate group of people who also like Trump. Doing that would be as meaningful as adding up the total number of votes cast for Republican candidates for the House and comparing that to the total votes cast for Democratic candidates for the House.

In my state, the ballot for the presidential election has the names of all of the electors for whom a person will be voting printed right on it.

These elections for a state's given delegation of electors are statewide elections, as the only federal election in existence is the one that happens in the District of Columbia in the Electoral College. The states have full authority over any election that happens within their borders, which means that any federal election cannot be conducted within any state. A federal election, like any other act of the federal government, must take place within a special district created specifically for the purpose of not being within any state. We call it Washington, DC.

It would be a bit of a tough thing to ask if you wanted a national popular vote. Asking 160 million Americans to travel to Washington, DC to participate in an election on a single day would, quite obviously, not work.

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forceOfHabit's avatar

Interesting, I didn't realize the technical details / geographical restrictions of what would count as a "federal" election. I don't disagree that technically there is nothing legally defined as a "popular vote" for president, but in the mind of the citizenry of today, there certainly is.

In the context of this debate, does that mean you are taking the position that the US is not a "democracy" in the first place (i.e. it is a republic with some democratic principles like state elections), and so obviously not a "democracy with guardrails"? In which case, I fail to see any essential difference between the two characterizations, and prefer the latter only because so many Americans are convinced they live in the "world's greatest democracy".

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SnowInTheWind's avatar

From the sound of it, the federal government is not a democracy at all in theory, but only a constitutionally limited governing body that has power over certain special things, within which laws and leaders are decided by the vote of delegates sent by the constituent states. In that sense, it would be like the UN, which does not take a world-wide popular vote to decide its secretary-general.

Regarding the idea of dumping the Electoral College in favor of nation-wide popular vote, we would first have agree on a standard set of rules for voting in every state. Then I would be worried about fights over hanging chads, not only in one state, but all over the country.

Leaving the current method seems to leave every state sovereign in how it handles elections, in which case one party could take over a state government and rig the elections going forward so they could never lose. Then the ruling Party in that state guarantees that its own party delegates are sent to Washington in that state's proportion, either to vote in Congress or to vote in selecting the President.

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Jennifer's avatar

The electoral college protects the minority.

Otherwise states with large populations would aways win.

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forceOfHabit's avatar

So, the US is not a democracy, it's a republic, right? And I guess if it's not a democracy it can't be a democracy with guard rails: OK.

So can y'all stop with the "world's greatest democracy" mind f*ck? Or maybe ditch the union and revert to 50 states, each one of which, on it's own, might actually be a democracy?

And as a side note, what is the difference between the US as a constitutional republic overlayed on (arguably) democratic individual states, and the Chinese system of "democracy with Chinese characteristics". Should we call the US system "democracy with American characteristics"?

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Colin Hunt's avatar

Democracy in practise is a word used mostly for propaganda purposes. It describes little or nothing of how a country actually functions. North Korea calls itself "the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea." East Germany called itself "the German Democratic Republic." Both of them, like the USSR, Nazi Germany, the PRC under Mao, pretended that "the People" were supreme.

They were not. All of the above were merciless absolute tyrannies where citzens' lives were expended like pop bottles or soup cans.

Democracy is, and occasionally has been, an instrument of absolute tyranny in suppression of individuals. Just ask Socrates of Athens in 399 BC, forced to commit suicide by State decree. The Romans took one look at the democratic tyranny over the individual by the State and wanted it to have nothing to do with their Republic. Roman citizens had rights. These included property rights and legal rights and protections under the law. Even slaves had rights (not very good ones, but the Romans were the first to proclaim that everyone had rights.)

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Dr. X's avatar

The US Constitution could be construed as an anti-democratic document. But the recent development of

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Rocío Matamoros's avatar

Sorry, I interrupted you. Please continue.

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Dr. X's avatar

I was trying to write a longish comment about the neologism “Our Democracy” which turns meaning on its head to say that, “Our Democracy” is coterminous with the regime, and that replacing the regime, even by democratic means, is illegitimate and makes the use of the OTHER “N word” for regime political opponents legitimate, even laudable.

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Rocío Matamoros's avatar

Yes, the new-fangled spellings can be confusing to old-timers:

Our Democracy - pronounced "oligarchy"

Social Justice - pronounced "injustice"

The Science - pronounced "bureaucratic decree"

Diversity is our Strength - pronounced "Allahu akbar"

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Silva's avatar

Aristocracy-- Government by aristocrats

Autocracy-- Government by autocrats

Kleptocracy-- Government by kleptocrats

Democracy-- ???

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Colin Hunt's avatar

The United States is not a democracy. It is a republic in which, under well understood limits, offices are elected. Any government must have restrictions on its powers. Otherwise it becomes mere tyranny. The German state is not a model for anything. It was a crude compromise manufactured out of the ruins of Nazi Germany. It seems to have inherited some of Nazi Germany's more totalitarian aspects.

Your notion of "democracy without guardrails is no democracy at all" is clearly and obviously wrong. Democracies without restrictions on them easily justify the mass murder of some minority of their citizenry by the majority. This has happened in the case of every one of the great socialisms of the 20th century: Nazi Germany, Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, and Pol Pot's Cambodia. In very recent years, will of the majority was used by the Hutus to justify the massacres in Rwanda in 2014.

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Erik Hoffmann's avatar

"Democracy" by Elon Musk:

"You′re just too good to be true

Can't take my hands off of you

You′d be like Heaven to touch

I wanna hold you so much."

https://x.com/ErikHoffma35980/status/1875619292189950216

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SimonB's avatar

Democracy with guardrails is just another way to say a democracy that is defined by the institutions to suit their needs and preserve their power.

Mike Benz explains very well the origins of the current "defending democracy" trend in western countries.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vKBOrkk1FZE

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Serhei's avatar

American interference in German affairs, redux:

blowing up major gas pipeline — business as usual between close allies

publishing a libertarian pablum in Die Welt and bruising ego of narcissist finger-wagging politician — major diplomatic incident FINGER WEG IMMEDIATELY

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eugyppius's avatar

yes.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Mind blowing.

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Chiadrum's avatar

It’s important to remember that in order to save democracy we must throw as many children as possible into the meat grinder of war and manufacture endless pysops in perpetuity. Just shuddup and let the “good people” run the show.

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Rosemary B's avatar

Where are we going and why am I in this hand basket?

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carily myers's avatar

lol, literally!

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Chris Gorman's avatar

Awesome!! Enjoyed that

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Apparently, someone once quipped that the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered (with blood) from time to time. Too bad the Gardeners this time are all Oligarchs and the people who do the dying, are us.

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Mrs Bucket's avatar

Here's how media 'independence' works: https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo?si=z0dqHGFFRtt1vNqJ

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Rocío Matamoros's avatar

Wittgenstein, in picking apart some entrenched erroneous way of thinking, compared it "buying two copies of the same newspaper in order to check one against the other".

The updated version would be "buying two (or twenty) copies of different newspapers in order to check one against the other".

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Jana Crawford's avatar

If you can't shoot them up with vaccines and perpetual bad health, shoot' em with bullets.

Every 'good' American knows that war is good for the economy.

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Myriad Mike's avatar

I’d say that if your sacred “democracy” can be weakened, undermined, and compromised by a few WORDS from a rich foreigner, then your sacred and feckless democracy is a sham and breathing it’s death rattle.

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

I agree. Germany is in great trouble if they try to "control" and "ban" social movements like the AdF or opinions and direct attacks tweeted by Musk. I am and always was anti-Trump,but the hypocrisy of the German MSM is mind-blowing. Der Spiegel, especially, tried to massively "intervene" in the US elections with paintung Trump as the new Hitler. So did many German politicians. No surprise the "winners" of the US elections are retaliating now.

Saying all this, Musk can't be trusted at all and is an extreme transhuman threat to democracies and billions of ordinary people. But he has to be fended off in an open, free speech, uncensored, intelligent and fact-based manner by aware and wise German independent thought leaders, not these stupid ideology captured clowns of the German press and politicians that lost all credibility and trust during Covid.

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vinegaroon's avatar

Well put. Did you catch any of Steve Bannon's brutal response to Elon and his fellow would-be techno-feudal overlords on the H1B issue? "When you go low, we will go to the center of the earth." I'll take that any day over the fake moral outrage from puppets who are way out of their depth.

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jdm's avatar

In agreement. I found this line "freedom of expression can be forfeited if its aim is to fight the free and democratic basic order" to be particularly telling in its meaningless word salad-y-ness.

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JayBee's avatar

This is actually something worth a much deeper investigation by E&co.

The FDGO is an invented construct without any basis or mentioning in the Verfassung. It currently exists and is abused solely to give the establishment a way to badmouth and ideally prohibit the AfD.

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Penny Rose's avatar

Absolutely brilliant - made me laugh out loud!

We're going through something similar - though somewhat less orchestrated and hysterical in the UK. I think it's the tantrums of a political and media class who are slowly waking up to the fact that they don't control the narrative any more. And that their well paid sinecures are therfore under threat.

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NoraDG's avatar

This is all extremely concerning. If Musk continues to escalate, at some point he might even be capable of tweeting a poop emoji at Habeck.

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Charlotte's avatar

Lol

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yet, so many Germans do not question the shitty propaganda the US government unleashes on them.

This is exactly what you get when you have weak men as rulers.

I'm convinced we're in a battle between those who want a collective society and those who want an individualistic society.

And just like every socialist/fascist/communists regime the collective responsibility boils down to the method and process being one in the same

It's a very similar method and process as the "shock-workers" (a devised scheme, ostensibly, for the common good) from the Russian gulags where prisoners who attained "shock" status would get a slightly reduced sentence (the motivation) ...but refused to leave the camp because...wait for it....THE COLLECTIVE.

And that my friends was the purpose of the process and the method being the same.

What they really want is a collective organism, living, working, eating, sleeping, and suffering together in pitiless and forced symbiosis.

In other words they do not believe in the individual and that is the source of their contempt, blindness, cruelty and worldview towards us peasants.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Just like Mao.

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Colin Hunt's avatar

Agreed. And to that list of vicious socialists you can add Hitler, Lenin, Marx, Stalin and Pol Pot. And let's not forget the insane murderer Che Guevara who really got off on murdering people.

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SCA's avatar

Ha yes. As you said the other day--it's glorious. Hollywood and Cannes won't think so of course. We can sit on our own tatty sofas instead of those nasty cinema seats and pop our own much cheaper popcorn and laugh at the dwindling chances of screenwriters to match anything we got unfolding hour to hour in real life.

And it proves one of life's most enduring truths. Guys one can otherwise despise for a billion gazillion trahillion reasons can be extremely useful and be the instruments and catalysts we need to get some mighty important things accomplished. We just gotta remember not to swoon over 'em. Keep your head cool and never switch off your instincts, for any reason.

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Charlotte's avatar

Someone said once, Elon “is just a battery salesman.” He is, he’s changing algorithms on X to make more money and more control to the detriment of the platform and free speech, while finger wagging at UK and Germany the opposite. We have to watch everything.

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SCA's avatar

He bought himself a real big toy. In my view he can play with it as he will. There ain't no shortages of autistic geniuses who can compete with him if they got the right stuff, too.

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Charlotte's avatar

This is true. But I do think his ego got bruised with the raw data X produced about H1B’s being primarily used to the detriment of the USA, and this is now retaliatory.

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SCA's avatar

Since when has that guy not ever been touchy?

He ain't no wise statesman. I mean geez. In the most important work in the world--being a good father providing a stable home life to his kids--he's a miserable failure. But like I said to start. He got his utility to us, too.

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Charlotte's avatar

I’m just super grateful for the Substack platform. I hope it stays true. I was just getting a bit too comfortable on X but the rug got shifted beneath my feet and I realize, it cannot be a home.

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SCA's avatar

Back in the bad old days--the ones that keep coming around again--people passed secret messages on pottery shards, or toilet paper rolls, or little knotted thingies with pre-memorized codes.

We should never get misty-eyed about anything we get handed for free.

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Barekicks's avatar

I lurk on X now but ration my use of it..and I post only sparingly.

I recommend using the List feature to create clusters of around 50-100 accounts that are actually worth listening to and go directly there instead of your feed.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Not making any excuses but many great men were terrible, awful fathers. King David comes to mind, what a mess!

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SCA's avatar

I'd like to stick with the real-life examples.

And me, I might be a little churlish, but I do not consider anyone "great" who ravaged their families because saving or dominating the world was more dear to their hearts.

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deathcap's avatar

Miles Davis was a pretty crap dad and not really the most pleasant person to be around, but arguably one of the most important figures in 20th century music as a whole.

I'm sure there are lots more examples.

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SCA's avatar

Anything can be a tool, can't it?

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Tardigrade's avatar

Learn to recognize and consciously avoid Cults of Personality (and all other cults too, of course).

For example, who gives a shit what George Cloony thinks?

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SCA's avatar

Well, all cults begin around a personality. Either a self-designated leader or a chosen object of the hour of veneration

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EppingBlogger's avatar

Some international billionaires appear to be more acceptable to the elites than others: Musk bad, Soros, Gates, etc good.

What an odd bunch they are, these “liberal democrats”.

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Charlotte's avatar

Having a bit of experience with dealing with autism, if you tell an autistic child to not do something, it is still giving them attention, negative attention is still attention and is provoking a reaction. Most behavioral strategies involve ignoring the behavior (as difficult as this is to do, grin and bear it), in order to stop it. Every single article and retort they give to Elon seems to provoke an even stronger reaction, maybe their strategy right now isn’t the wisest. Meanwhile, I will chuckle with my tea mug in hand, and watch Keir Starmer and Olaf and Habeck create a group chat to give each other condolences…

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carol ann's avatar

This applies to most children.

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Oregonian's avatar

If only ‘an evil tropical fruit’ didn’t do such actual real harm to normal, working class Germans…”

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Pawsative's avatar

Fascists are leftists just like Nazis, globalists, communists, socialists, Maoists, Stalinist, Leninist, etc, because all of them are big government authoritarian collectives who stomp on the rights of individuals and freedom.

Far Right = Individual Freedom

Far Left = Collective Authoritarianism

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Jim's avatar

"Fascism is merely what happens when normal people realize that the left will never stop until they're forced to." -- Martyr Made

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Irina Metzler's avatar

Seems the early weeks of a new year are being turned into some kind of Ersatz religious event … if memory serves correctly, January last year saw German politicians organising those incredibly spontaneous and grassroots “marches against the right” (Gemeinsam gegen Rechts), and now Habeck is agitating for something similar. Why don’t they just declare January “National Defend Democracy Month” and have an annual virtue-signalling bonanza to fill the gap in the calendar between Christmas and Easter.

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eugyppius's avatar

yes. inter alia I think there's a price mechanism. in winter energy prices go up, everybody gets economically freaked out, AfD inches up in the polls, they respond with a freakout against the right. who knows how many years this will repeat itself.

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Charlotte's avatar

I lived for a long time in Miami, where they have these non native iguanas. They are everywhere and breed like rabbits and get pretty large and poop on everything. Few natural predators. So every 10 years or so, a massive cold front will settle on Miami and kill off 90%of the creatures and then the cycle starts all over again. I’m kind of hoping we get a massive cold winter to burn off all of the phony arguments about solar panels and windmills so we can really address the issues as hand in Germany.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Looks like Germany (or should I say 'Europe') is getting hit hard with pneumonia this winter.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-pneumonia/

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Warmek's avatar

But iguana is tasty! 🤣

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Moonspinner's avatar

Can it be made into cat food?

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Tardigrade's avatar

It's already cat food.

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Moonspinner's avatar

Is it? I haven't seen any commercial cat food made from iguana (have you?), and online info indicates that cats are in danger from iguana.

"Wild iguanas can physically harm cats. Larger iguanas have powerful tails and claws, which they use defensively against perceived threats. These reptiles can deliver painful bites that could lead to infections.

Moreover, while an adult cat may be able to defend itself, kittens or smaller cats are more vulnerable. Another significant concern is disease transmission. Although not common, iguanas can carry pathogens harmful to cats. Monitoring your pet and avoiding close encounters are critical."

from -- https://iguanacontrol.com/iguanas-and-cats/

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God Bless America's avatar

I think this happened to us in Texas a couple of winters back… It showed very succinctly that solar panels and windmills do nothing to help the situation during an ice or winter weather event… 😵😵😵🥶🥶🥶

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

Isn’t that happening?

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Charlotte's avatar

It’s very slow, we need a brutal deep freeze to just cut the BS and have Germans talk openly how these new energy strategies are a complete failure. The system has to break down much more before the Overton window can be shifted in Germany.

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Jillian Stirling's avatar

The GFS maps show snow coverage and freezing temperatures across the Northern hemisphere even down to Thailand and Vietnam.

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God Bless America's avatar

Looks like global warming is really working hard… 🙄

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Pat Robinson's avatar

As it is here in North America “our democracy” is just coded left-speak for “when we win”.

And same as in North America those claiming to defend democracy are the greatest danger to it by far.

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Viv's avatar

Elon could shut them all up by simply offering to interview Habeck, Merzkel, and Scholz.

Damned if they do, ...

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eugyppius's avatar

I have thought already that he should do that. They will run away in fear of course, probably only Lindner would take him up on it.

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God Bless America's avatar

Now that would be an interesting interview 🤔😈

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Nat's avatar

Elon callled Keir Starmtrooper in a tweet the other day. I spit my coffee. For that tweet alone he'll have my undying love till the end of times.

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