“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
The American political establishment that Rove occupies would have used covert national security moves to try and undermine Maduro and support regime change. Not only is that method no longer effective, it is much more dark and dirty than Trump's direct and transparent use of the US military to effect the same indented change.
The EUtards clearly eager to milk this as more anti-US and anti-Trump vibes meanwhile are deep into their own old ineffective spook games to set the global stage for their county's advantage.
Agreed that outright military violation of another country's borders is a small improvement over clandestine un"intelligence" agency regime change like in 2014 Ukraine
We did not need to adopt that circus, nor those monkeys.
Yeah, yeah, drugs bad. I know. Prohibition 2.0 is twice as retarded and equally effective as Prohibition 1.0 was. Twice as retarded, I say, because we really should have learned something the first time.
No one ever learns anything. I was astonished how people who were adults during the Vietnam debacle nonetheless decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
It struck me as orchestrated as ritual humiliation. Our Leaders' boss (which was/is obviously not the citizens) wanted to make the USA eat shit....and die.
One surprising comparison I learned much later was how similar Vietnam was to the 1775-1783 revolution. The imperial power fought peasants on the other side of a huge ocean which they had to ship almost all their supplies across, the peasants had the help of foreign powers, and the peasants won.
Questionable, honestly, as regards WWI. If the US *hadn't* gotten involved, WWII might not have happened at all. Impossible to prove at this point, of course.
My instinct too. The war was the result of too many interlocking mutual aid treaties, and while Kaiser WIlhelm II was the primary troublemaker, if Britain had stayed out, it would have been a replay of 1870 and over within the year ... probably. If Woodrow Wilson and his cronies had not taken Britain's side and loaned them so much with tacit government backing, Britain would have had to drop out.
Thomas "Woodrow" Wilson was a tool of the Brits. In fact, Wilson was just a disgusting thing. It's no wonder that the US Senate voted against the League of Nations, a nice slap in Wilson's face.
I'm not convinced Germany was the problem. They faced almost certain annihilation if France and Russia both attacked at once. Nick was already amassing troops on the border. This was the existential threat that the Schlieffen plan was developed for.
'Course, worked out about the same for Germany as if they had just let those other empires roll over them.
England was getting ready to pull out, and let the Kaiser have what he'd taken of France, until we stepped in. It was also a far more even battle until we did, and the absolutely crushing defeat of the Germans allowed the imposition of the ruinous Treaty of Versailles. German nationalism got a large boost from the humiliating terms of that treaty, and the costs imposed by it.
If the US had not backed Britain, the war would have been over sooner, there would have been no Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and there would have been no stab in the back fable for Hitler to latch on to.
It was -zero- of the US's business. Woodrow Wilson's excuse for the war was Germany enforcing its own blockade of Britain, in retaliation for Britain's blockade of Germany, which was -- surprise surprise! -- in violation of accepted international law at the time, yet Woodrow Wilson let that slide.
I am unfamiliar with Hitler's involvement with WWI, beyond the fact that he was part of the Bundeswehr as a dispatch runner then. Or perhaps I have misunderstood your question? In the comment you are replying to, I am saying that if the USA had not stuck its dick into WWI, then WWII might never have happened.
Having *done* so, I do actually feel that getting stuck in on WWII was something of a moral responsibility. Though of course all of the wrong people got the short end of that. But then, it's never the "Masters of War" that end up in the trenches or on the front lines. I don't really want to retroactively consign either of my grandfathers to that, but it does seem to be the case that the lower classes always end up paying for the policy choices of the upper classes.
The Nazis *were* an abomination at least equal to the Communists. "We" having paved the way for their rise, "we" also had something of an ethical duty to put them down. Easy for me to say, of course, some 85 years later, and at no risk of having to deal with it myself. I don't know, none of these philosophical questions are easy.
but that's none of US' business. remember T allegedly lost in 2022 due to Smartmatic and Dominion meddling? such a magical excuse. same-same for all the botched elections lately in Europe: elections are an internal affair, has to do with sovereignity.
It was 2020 and Trump’s attorney Powell submitted the Affidavit of Chavez’s assistant who created the program for CHAVEZ to win every election forever. I read the brief. The case was denied cert by SCOTUS, as they all were.
Reminiscent of our favorite congressman lately, and true statements about the existential threat to USA via CCP precursors, Venezuelan trafficking, and Mexican manufacturing and delivery to the USA. I’m not sure all understand that Fentanyl is masked to sell as an imitation of common drugs. Touching it can kill. A couple grains of salt sized dose has killed hundreds of thousands in the last few years. It has been a war and a comfort to see our military fight for us.
I could not agree more. Almost nobody in this country has not been touched by that substance in one form or other.
But it’s not really about the drugs. It’s about global power and control. And it’s about oil.
It’s not a war with Venezuela. It is however a war with China. They occupied this country and all its resources using Maduro as a front. And all that comes downstream of that is what comes.
So we took it from them.
Either we assert dominance and control over Venezuela or China does. It’s really that simple.
With no other options available (not in fantasy land of international “law”), I know which option I’m taking.
So I agree with the people saying “it’s about oil”. They’re correct. And that’s why I support the action (among other reasons)
I understand the oil will be for Venezuelan economic rebirth. It was a joint venture with the US in the past as the infrastructure for drilling was built by the US and we will rebuild it.
The drug cartels may look like a joke as a reason for a criminal conviction but the citizens in the US, it is a mark on our ability to keep our people safe by keeping the poisonous materials across our borders where enemies made them. The boats being shot up in the Caribbean were a relief to us, even as the rest of the world saw it as unnecessary.
The oil drilling equipment and infrastructure was made by Chevron, an American company. Hugo Chavez stopped oil drilling and stole US tankers. Drilling and selling may be what brings prosperity back to Venezuela.
Rubio's parents were Cuban, and he undoubtedly sees the removal of Maduro as a step to finally freeing the Cubans of the never ending dictatorship there. Cuba is supposedly propped up by Venezuela and Maduro at this point. Without Maduro, maybe that Commie regime will finally fall. Cubans in Florida are extremely happy about Maduro's removal.
Criminal illegal aliens, like the Trend De Arauga gangs who committed multiple felonies in the United States will be detained and deported by ICE per law.
Bullshit. It is to thwart Venezuela's fuckery of our US national security by interdictng $$ from drugrunning offshore and oil which has been propping up the regime of this boobied arm flapping and former idiot bus driver Maduro who, with Cuba, has digitally hi-jacked our elections.
Regarding the oil. Before Chavez nationalized it, the US oil companies (CHEVRON) built the infrastructure first drilling oil off of Venezuela. The US Americans and the Venezuelans both drilled oil from the same field. The US is drilling in our land, but if the oil companies agree, we will be spending billions of dollars to restore the drilling business in Venezuela for the Venezuelans to become wealthy again. As Rubio stated yesterday, the USA doesn’t need oil. I wouldn’t rule out a trade restoration with Venezuela in the future, but the remarks about billions for oil are to restore Venezuela.
Drugs is never enough. Most Central and South American regimes have varying degrees of involvement with drug cartels as at least a necessary evil to maintain some modicum of order (not to mention historical use of drug trade by the CIA to finance preferred regimes). If drugs were enough, we’d invade most of Central and South America.
The pragmatic reality is that the world runs on energy and that energy will primarily be hydrocarbon based for the foreseeable future. As such, dominant powers will do what is necessary to secure control.
Unfortunately the many cartels are on our borders, receiving precursors from China, with entry into the United States via Mexico, where the manufacturing sites are. A necessary evil?
That anyone even questions this when it is what Trump is openly saying, is astonishing to me. Guys you can’t rationalise this. He’s telling us his actual motives and they are as disgusting as the left would have you believe. Just admit that you’re a bunch of animals who simply do not care and never had any moral standards, and start openly lobbying to legalise paedophilic incest, it’s the next logical step of this path you are on.
Oh no, it's dead on. I just wish we weren't one, and that we were smart enough to learn from our own mistakes.
As long as I'm making wishes, I'll take thirty billion dollars and my 23 year old body back, though if I could get it without the arthritis or depression, that'd be nice too.
Do note that Rove nowhere says the actions taken - the reality created - will conform to any specific political notion of anything, either.
In a way, it is a peculiar blend of realpolitik and the basic truth that [might makes right] in one scale, and of postmodernism and relativism [it is right if I say so] in the other.
Also, it is a good example of how to be straightforward while not really saying anything (and coming from me who can't write a straight sentence without meandering off into sub-sub-sub-clauses that's borderline a professional endorsement of the style...), letting the recipient fill in what he/she thinks is being said - as evidenced by the sub-thread the quote spawned.
I wonder why Rove never seems to have tried for presidency himself. Deemed too dangerous by his peers among the Republican party hierarchy maybe.
Fentanyl is an order of magnitude worse than alcohol or even coke. Ending the perverse retake of Bolivaran Republic and allowing a nation with among the most oil reserves actually prosper is worth a 1 hour war.
Sounds more like an 89 year war *against our own citizens* than one hour. But, I'm sorry, you had something vastly historically ignorant to say about Prohibition 2.0?
I am a former EMT who used to be married to a pharmacist. I am *precisely* aware of how much more potent fentanyl is than other opiates. I'm also aware of how we got to the point where people were using that *instead* of other opiates.
I've also actually read the Constitution. No doubt you are aware that the 18th Amendment provided Congress with the authority to ban alcohol, and the 21st Amendment repealed that authority.
Please cite which subsequent amendment granted Congress the authority to ban **any other** substance "for our own good".
Wasn't an amendment. They dusted off "the treaty making power" and used that to end-run it. From Missouri v. Holland:
"We do not mean to imply that there are no qualifications to the treaty-making power; but they must be ascertained in a different way. It is obvious that there are matters of the sharpest exigency for the national well being that an act of congress cannot deal with but that a treaty followed by such an act could..."
The implications were so threatening that OH Senator Bricker proposed an amendment to clarify that the fedguv could not use treaties as an excuse to seize new powers otherwise undelegated to it. To a constitutionalist, this would be a slam dunk.. but after years of fighting, it was defeated by a coalition of pinkos, deep-staters, and "conservative" President Eisenhower.
Thanks for the article. It touches on so many issues that are still relevant. I didn’t really know what you were responding to since it was primarily about International Treaties, and Past Presidents positions on national sovereignty.
Ah, I see. The thing is that the US doesn't live in splendid isolation from the rest of the world and to some extent it matters to Americans what other countries are doing, especially those not a million miles away. If America were located in the Andromeda Galaxy then I would agree with you.
I mean, it's true that we don't, but most of the problems we face from Venezuela could be remedied in far better fashion than taking the place over. Hopefully we'll hand things over to the fellow who actually won their last election and get out quickly. And hopefully that guy won't be a complete shitshow too.
And if that happens you will still maintain that it was a mistake to go in? If your answer is 'yes' then we can stop this discussion right now. And if your answer is 'no', then what the hell are you talking about here?
Er, no. I don't see your point. It is YOU, not me, who is advocating non-intervention because you believe what vbenezuela does doesn't affect the US. That's not a view that I take.
People who say prohibition one didn’t achieve its goals don’t understand quite how much Americans were drinking before it was initiated. How many drug and alcohol deaths would we have to see annually before we got prohibition again? We were there.
The problem is that Fentanyl is not easy to identify. China manufactures it to look like other pharmaceuticals that people buy on the street, most notably Adderall for ADHD. Many have been prescribed this drug since they were children. It’s made to look the same, therefore safe. Unlike a glass of whiskey.
That is why many of us never imbibe, but we all have seen others drink too much. The comparison is between what kills every time, and what is drunk without killing on most occasions. Prohibition was the second, or there would be no need for a law.
If fentanyl killed "every time", they wouldn't have given me patches containing it to stock on the ambulance.
Warfarin, prescribed as a blood thinner, is *literally* sold as rat poison.
Alcohol, as mentioned, is also a poison so common that it's used as a sterilizing agent.
More to the point, Congress lacks the constitutional authority to regulate any of it. At least with Prohibition 1.0 they went to the effort of following the rules to grant themselves that.
Narcan is used by Police, First Responders, and Emergency Rooms, as it was used for heroin OD’s. Lately police have reported that they are not able to stock the amount of NARCAN necessary to stop Fentanyl OD’s due to the quantity needed. Glad you got it.
A truth that one-size-fits-all laws never wish to accommodate.
It is truly amazing the effort we expend on defeating Darwin, and all to our own detriment. We complain about political elites who act as if laws apply to everyone but them, then we evade natural laws with the same insolence because "we're special."
Frank, i think you nailed it. The EUtards (which includes the UK as they can’t seem to scratch their own ass w/o EHCR this and Euro logic that… what a wasted opportunity brexit was/is) seem to be stuck in envy mode and anti-NATO mode aka anti-US mode. If Britain continues its destabilization it should expect a rendition of its own (of 2TK Starmer).
well I recall this, when Rove mentioned it and it maybe me laugh. These Bush boys believed they were inventing the wheel. A typical manifestation of almost total lack of culture, knowledge of History. Because since ever brute force does obviously impact flow of events. Maybe Rove could study European History and try to understand what happens in Northern Black Sea since 2014,, as Russia secured Crimea, now Donbass and will probably shut off American oligarchy from Odessa even if not capturing the city (just render impossible for Americans to set a viable foot there)
the rule "might is right" that is being splashed openly by USA now, like back in the 19th century, when in 1848 they went to take Texas and California, in 1898 to Cuba and the small "banana republics" is not new, but by reviving it now in full force, in this contemporary internet world, the effect is that others who have some might will act the same way. USA problem is that it needs proxies in order to get some grip overseas.
You don’t recall him saying it since the quote appeared anonymously in a magazine article by Ron Suskind, though SimulationCommander’s attribution to Rove is widely accepted.
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out."
Venezuela isn’t an Islamic state so Starmer and the EU have a bit of leeway here, they don’t have to come out stridently against it to please their more violently peaceful voting demographic.
He will be dying to virtue signal and "condemn" the actions of the US, at the same time as knowing that he is completely irrelevant to them, and he needs their approval far more than they need his.
Even though Mr Starmer KC protests he will be Prime Minister forever, reality will provide a brutal check for this comfortably off Marxist. This also applies to the words he will utter in vain over the Venezuela affair.
We didn't need those assurances, this was readily observable by the fact that the operation succeeded; at least the initial one with Maduro's capture. Unlike the British invasion of Kursk region, which turned out to be an unmitigated (apart from the show effect) disaster for Britain's supposed allies in the Ukraine Armed Forces.
Me too! Say. did you hear about the sale on used French battle rifles? They have only been dropped once. Britain fits this as well. Look how it went for Percival and their fight on the Malay Peninsula. France, the EU and the UK would just get in our way and F things up.
This is the first news I've read today. At first I thought 'Wow, America has gone into Venezuela!' Then I thought, 'Ah, I see. It's just Eugyppius's joke. This is all far too dramatic to be real'. And then I double checked and it was real. How wonderful! Surprising things can still happen and the world isn't locked in a permanent stalemate. So what next? The Iranians overthrow the Mullahs? The AfD overthrows the German government? Israel sorts out the Middle East and we sort out our stupid progressive lefties? Thank goodness for Trump, if only for entertainment value.
I laughed out loud while reading this. It's 100% true! No one gives a damned what the globalists of the UN and the EU think. It's not like they ever do anything other that suck the blood out of people who work for a living. How long is the world (Europe in particular) going to put up with these parasites?
Then, in 2014, it would have annexed Libya, Tunisia and parts of Algeria and used these areas as a dumping ground for all illegals, and for criminals.
They would have put together an expeditionary force over ten years ago to do exactly what Trump finally did: start the process of taking control of Venezuela's oil.
Instead, the EU have splurged its rapidly dwindling resources on . . . what?
Power outages, rolling blackouts, pouring hundreds of billions of Euros each year into various black holes of corruption, and seemingly actively seeking to replay the period between 500AD and 1066AD.
I sure hope Trump is hereby showing a sufficient number of young actual European guys that one can, in actual fact, "just do things," and time's been, you know, a-wasting. You yourself prove there's at least some of the necessary stock to call upon how you've faced grim circumstances with courage and wise strategy.
I'm not much of a Hegseth fan for what he himself is, but damn. He sure seems to know how to get the very best out of the men under his command.
And though I don't know if this move has been right, it's sure been something to wake up to this Saturday. I hadn't even turned on the TV yet when SimCom's email header in my inbox made my first mug of tea sort of unnecessary. This gonna be a lively year!
And will get off when it is discovered that the judge the administration assigned to try them is in fact a defrocked Scientologist auditor who was never appropriately sworn in.
On judge Neapolitano they said one of the charges is possessing machine guns which is prohibited by an (already revoked) US law from 1937. And of course being a drug boss.
It's only 1/3, but this is so far the stupidest charge I have heard this year.
Are we pretending that US law makes machine gun possession illegal for anyone anywhere in the world? Including national sovereigns?
It's almost as if the new kindler, gentler, "second-amendment friendly DOJ" had a meeting to determine how they could possibly piss off their supporters in the American gun community any harder than they already have done.
To Kaja Kallas (if that is her real name): You yap about respecting international laws and the United Nations Charter. Well, I will inform you that the Monroe Doctrine precedes the UN Charter, so you can stick that idea where Ursula's butt will hurt.
thank you, most apt. here's Russia's TASS reporting - "...Aggression condemnation, fallout: global reaction to US operation in Venezuela [....] In the statements of the leaders and foreign ministries of several countries, Washington's action is characterized as aggression and an attempt to change power in the country..." - https://tass.com/world/2068203
And your point is that if TASS is reporting this intervention as 'aggression', then it must have been a bad thing? How about if the state-run media of Iran said this was an act of aggression? Would that make it doubly bad?
The only thing America could do to get on the good side of those regimes is to either take their side or always do nothing, which seems to be what many here are advocating.
There’s a lot to love about this operation, not least of which is that the Trump administration managed to pull it off without telling virtually anyone who wasn’t directly involved - hence, none of those “mysterious” leaks.
So while the rest of the entire world is left appearing flat footed and flailing, Trump just cornered the market on the largest oil reserves in the world, and liberated an entire nation from a murderous tyrannical dictator.
Not bad for a day’s (several months in the planning) work.
I’m sure he’s knowledgeable in the need for surprise. He also knows he can’t trust Congress. The strike would never. happen if anyone had a minute’s notice.
The USA has ascerted extra territorial jurisdiction when it identifies breaches of its own laws by people elsewhere, mainly when it considers its own interests have been damaged. It applies in commercial and regular criminal affairs.
It does not matter whether you agree with this concept but clearly the EU and ECHR do believe in exactly the same principal. The ECJ and ECHR invent laws and apply them to people and businesses and governments which have never agreed to them. Indeed, in that respect, the US arrangement is better because at least there the laws are made and enforced by due process.
The UN was established on the basis of certain rules being accepoted by all its members and Permanent Members of the Security Council were called upon to ensure compliance. Givcen the outrageous breach of the requirement for fair and democratic elections the USA would be amply justified in helping the people of Venezuela. Perhaps they could help in the EU where unelected officials have overturned member state governments.
The Venezuelan one time Dictator Maduro, now the head of a cartel that works with China, Iran, Russia to destroy the people of the USA with poisons they manufacture and deliver to the US via another cartel. Let’s just sayMaduro is no leader of any nation and he is no ally, no neighbor, and no friend. It is a relief to know he is on our soil, incarcerated.
The Justice Department had an indictment (warrant for arrest) for 10 years). Our President offered him exile in many places but if he didn’t accept, he would take him to the NYC COURT via helicopter. Maduro didn’t believe him, so he is now incarcerated in Brooklyn.
Gee if we did this so easily, getting the Eurotards in Brussels would be a walk in the park. That is probably what they are upset about. Trump did not devote his life to climbing the party ladder, so he is not tied to any dogma other than his own.
I just saw a shot story about WW2 that kind of applies. It was March 1945, Montgomery and the British planned a massive crossing of the Rhine but were still planning it and waiting for the right moment. George Patton and his 3rd Army were south of them, discovered the Rhine was not protected in his area, built a pontoon bridge and moved his whole army across in three days. Montgomery was very upset because Patton's move was not approved. Wanted Patton fired. Eisenhower thought about it but decided that ending the war sooner with fewer casualties allowed unauthorized movement by a commander when the situation was right.
Trump and Patton would have gotten along quite well I think.
Never has this Karl Rove quote been more apt:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
The American political establishment that Rove occupies would have used covert national security moves to try and undermine Maduro and support regime change. Not only is that method no longer effective, it is much more dark and dirty than Trump's direct and transparent use of the US military to effect the same indented change.
The EUtards clearly eager to milk this as more anti-US and anti-Trump vibes meanwhile are deep into their own old ineffective spook games to set the global stage for their county's advantage.
The former American political establishment is responsible for the creation of the Maduro regime.
Among many, many other things. 😕
absolutely - many many things jeez
And are probably on the laundered American taxpayer payroll; Dubya chose not to do this in the oughts and it is telling.
Monroe Doctrine 101.
Western Hemisphere again.
The Monroe Doctrine of 1823 returns.
…except they are too stupid to do anything except import an army composed of migrants.
Agreed that outright military violation of another country's borders is a small improvement over clandestine un"intelligence" agency regime change like in 2014 Ukraine
We did not need to adopt that circus, nor those monkeys.
Yeah, yeah, drugs bad. I know. Prohibition 2.0 is twice as retarded and equally effective as Prohibition 1.0 was. Twice as retarded, I say, because we really should have learned something the first time.
No one ever learns anything. I was astonished how people who were adults during the Vietnam debacle nonetheless decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
Quoting myself from 2002: "Oh my fucking God, we're seriously going to invade a place known as the 'Graveyard of Empires'?"
What could go wrong!?!??!?
I'm sure it will be fine.
Hold on....I'm now getting word.....
It wasn't fine.
It struck me as orchestrated as ritual humiliation. Our Leaders' boss (which was/is obviously not the citizens) wanted to make the USA eat shit....and die.
Bush 43: "Hold my beer."
One surprising comparison I learned much later was how similar Vietnam was to the 1775-1783 revolution. The imperial power fought peasants on the other side of a huge ocean which they had to ship almost all their supplies across, the peasants had the help of foreign powers, and the peasants won.
It's a good thing we won that war. Otherwise, we'd all be speaking Vietnamese now.
I *do* like the food. Never could get the hang of the tones in the language though.
LMAO where I am getting a pedicure from the local 'owned and woman operated" Vietnamese nail salon!
No one ever learns anything. They have forgotten how they intervened in WWI and WWII. Oh wait, that was a success...
Questionable, honestly, as regards WWI. If the US *hadn't* gotten involved, WWII might not have happened at all. Impossible to prove at this point, of course.
My instinct too. The war was the result of too many interlocking mutual aid treaties, and while Kaiser WIlhelm II was the primary troublemaker, if Britain had stayed out, it would have been a replay of 1870 and over within the year ... probably. If Woodrow Wilson and his cronies had not taken Britain's side and loaned them so much with tacit government backing, Britain would have had to drop out.
Just stop meddling. It's a simple principle.
Thomas "Woodrow" Wilson was a tool of the Brits. In fact, Wilson was just a disgusting thing. It's no wonder that the US Senate voted against the League of Nations, a nice slap in Wilson's face.
Sorry, but the likelihood of Britain just 'dropping out' of WWI when they started losing without America's help was never going to happen.
Just stop meddling = never intervene militarily. Is that your position?
I'm not convinced Germany was the problem. They faced almost certain annihilation if France and Russia both attacked at once. Nick was already amassing troops on the border. This was the existential threat that the Schlieffen plan was developed for.
'Course, worked out about the same for Germany as if they had just let those other empires roll over them.
Indeed, I believe you are right anyway. American intervention in WWI turned out to be a disaster, longer term.
So you think WWII might not have happened if the US hadn't got involved in WWI? On what do you base that claim?
England was getting ready to pull out, and let the Kaiser have what he'd taken of France, until we stepped in. It was also a far more even battle until we did, and the absolutely crushing defeat of the Germans allowed the imposition of the ruinous Treaty of Versailles. German nationalism got a large boost from the humiliating terms of that treaty, and the costs imposed by it.
If the US had not backed Britain, the war would have been over sooner, there would have been no Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and there would have been no stab in the back fable for Hitler to latch on to.
It was -zero- of the US's business. Woodrow Wilson's excuse for the war was Germany enforcing its own blockade of Britain, in retaliation for Britain's blockade of Germany, which was -- surprise surprise! -- in violation of accepted international law at the time, yet Woodrow Wilson let that slide.
Lack of any understanding of history or what actually happened.
That claim is supported by my basic anti-semitism. What's it toya?
{...Impossible to prove at this point...} ??? ... 🤔🤔🤔
Anti-Semitic
{...of course....} !!! ☝☝☝
I am unfamiliar with Hitler's involvement with WWI, beyond the fact that he was part of the Bundeswehr as a dispatch runner then. Or perhaps I have misunderstood your question? In the comment you are replying to, I am saying that if the USA had not stuck its dick into WWI, then WWII might never have happened.
Having *done* so, I do actually feel that getting stuck in on WWII was something of a moral responsibility. Though of course all of the wrong people got the short end of that. But then, it's never the "Masters of War" that end up in the trenches or on the front lines. I don't really want to retroactively consign either of my grandfathers to that, but it does seem to be the case that the lower classes always end up paying for the policy choices of the upper classes.
The Nazis *were* an abomination at least equal to the Communists. "We" having paved the way for their rise, "we" also had something of an ethical duty to put them down. Easy for me to say, of course, some 85 years later, and at no risk of having to deal with it myself. I don't know, none of these philosophical questions are easy.
Bush support of Hitler? Which Hitler? Which Bush?
I suggest you switch alternate universes back. You're clearly not fir for purpose in this one.
Yeah, it's the second half of an arrogant story that began with, "We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."
Drugs are the pretext. It’s the oil and the shoring up of our sphere of influence. Check out Matt Bracken’s latest for a good analysis.
Smartmatic and Dominion not irrelevant.
but that's none of US' business. remember T allegedly lost in 2022 due to Smartmatic and Dominion meddling? such a magical excuse. same-same for all the botched elections lately in Europe: elections are an internal affair, has to do with sovereignity.
It was 2020 and Trump’s attorney Powell submitted the Affidavit of Chavez’s assistant who created the program for CHAVEZ to win every election forever. I read the brief. The case was denied cert by SCOTUS, as they all were.
Disagree
19 pages, written in the affiant’s own hand. You don’t have to agree, but I am sure you are unfamiliar with the Court’s docket that day.
There’s no pretext. In spite of the fact that we’ve all lost people from fentanyl now and I’m all for prosecuting narco trafficking.
It’s about oil. And.
Trump said as much.
Either we control the country or China does. There are no other options.
In other words. Human civilization has not changed.
So we are doing stuff. And if we don’t. China does stuff.
Reminiscent of our favorite congressman lately, and true statements about the existential threat to USA via CCP precursors, Venezuelan trafficking, and Mexican manufacturing and delivery to the USA. I’m not sure all understand that Fentanyl is masked to sell as an imitation of common drugs. Touching it can kill. A couple grains of salt sized dose has killed hundreds of thousands in the last few years. It has been a war and a comfort to see our military fight for us.
I could not agree more. Almost nobody in this country has not been touched by that substance in one form or other.
But it’s not really about the drugs. It’s about global power and control. And it’s about oil.
It’s not a war with Venezuela. It is however a war with China. They occupied this country and all its resources using Maduro as a front. And all that comes downstream of that is what comes.
So we took it from them.
Either we assert dominance and control over Venezuela or China does. It’s really that simple.
With no other options available (not in fantasy land of international “law”), I know which option I’m taking.
So I agree with the people saying “it’s about oil”. They’re correct. And that’s why I support the action (among other reasons)
I understand the oil will be for Venezuelan economic rebirth. It was a joint venture with the US in the past as the infrastructure for drilling was built by the US and we will rebuild it.
Well said.
The drug cartels may look like a joke as a reason for a criminal conviction but the citizens in the US, it is a mark on our ability to keep our people safe by keeping the poisonous materials across our borders where enemies made them. The boats being shot up in the Caribbean were a relief to us, even as the rest of the world saw it as unnecessary.
The oil drilling equipment and infrastructure was made by Chevron, an American company. Hugo Chavez stopped oil drilling and stole US tankers. Drilling and selling may be what brings prosperity back to Venezuela.
The future will tell. I understand SOS Rubio has developed plans to make the transition smooth for returning Venezualans.
Rubio's parents were Cuban, and he undoubtedly sees the removal of Maduro as a step to finally freeing the Cubans of the never ending dictatorship there. Cuba is supposedly propped up by Venezuela and Maduro at this point. Without Maduro, maybe that Commie regime will finally fall. Cubans in Florida are extremely happy about Maduro's removal.
I'd love to se a lot of returning Venzuelans. Other than criminals shipped back there in chains by ICE, I'm not optimistic.
Criminal illegal aliens, like the Trend De Arauga gangs who committed multiple felonies in the United States will be detained and deported by ICE per law.
Narcoterrorism can never be a pretext when the trafficking has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Too close for comfort.
A kleptocatic cf of a government is the reason for this. No pretext needed.
Bullshit. It is to thwart Venezuela's fuckery of our US national security by interdictng $$ from drugrunning offshore and oil which has been propping up the regime of this boobied arm flapping and former idiot bus driver Maduro who, with Cuba, has digitally hi-jacked our elections.
Maybe. Though it turned out to be the whole enchilada with Noriega, despite all the popular theories to the contrary at the time.
Drugs is enough. Is the oil and regime change the reason or just icing? How could one know?
Regarding the oil. Before Chavez nationalized it, the US oil companies (CHEVRON) built the infrastructure first drilling oil off of Venezuela. The US Americans and the Venezuelans both drilled oil from the same field. The US is drilling in our land, but if the oil companies agree, we will be spending billions of dollars to restore the drilling business in Venezuela for the Venezuelans to become wealthy again. As Rubio stated yesterday, the USA doesn’t need oil. I wouldn’t rule out a trade restoration with Venezuela in the future, but the remarks about billions for oil are to restore Venezuela.
Sadly, I think you are right. This is likely to become yet another money laundering scheme to bilk American wealth.
Drugs is never enough. Most Central and South American regimes have varying degrees of involvement with drug cartels as at least a necessary evil to maintain some modicum of order (not to mention historical use of drug trade by the CIA to finance preferred regimes). If drugs were enough, we’d invade most of Central and South America.
The pragmatic reality is that the world runs on energy and that energy will primarily be hydrocarbon based for the foreseeable future. As such, dominant powers will do what is necessary to secure control.
Unfortunately the many cartels are on our borders, receiving precursors from China, with entry into the United States via Mexico, where the manufacturing sites are. A necessary evil?
That anyone even questions this when it is what Trump is openly saying, is astonishing to me. Guys you can’t rationalise this. He’s telling us his actual motives and they are as disgusting as the left would have you believe. Just admit that you’re a bunch of animals who simply do not care and never had any moral standards, and start openly lobbying to legalise paedophilic incest, it’s the next logical step of this path you are on.
Sorry, we're not lefties.
Disgusting thought.
Where does he reside?
Indeed! Drugs! Imagine the American govt being concerned about all the drugs/shots that are teeming into our bodies! Oh my!
Oil! Those datacenters are energy-thirsty beasts, especially those mining coins and feeding AI.
Money! Just look at the recent financial transactions, Donnies business took a huge ownership position in CITGO, 'former' oil producer in Ven.
Yes, yes, so many more layers of complexity for those who has eyes and a trap for those who choose not to.
Be not afraid. All will be well.
I certainly don't like the action we've taken here, but you can't deny the quote is tailor-made for this situation.
Oh no, it's dead on. I just wish we weren't one, and that we were smart enough to learn from our own mistakes.
As long as I'm making wishes, I'll take thirty billion dollars and my 23 year old body back, though if I could get it without the arthritis or depression, that'd be nice too.
Do note that Rove nowhere says the actions taken - the reality created - will conform to any specific political notion of anything, either.
In a way, it is a peculiar blend of realpolitik and the basic truth that [might makes right] in one scale, and of postmodernism and relativism [it is right if I say so] in the other.
Also, it is a good example of how to be straightforward while not really saying anything (and coming from me who can't write a straight sentence without meandering off into sub-sub-sub-clauses that's borderline a professional endorsement of the style...), letting the recipient fill in what he/she thinks is being said - as evidenced by the sub-thread the quote spawned.
I wonder why Rove never seems to have tried for presidency himself. Deemed too dangerous by his peers among the Republican party hierarchy maybe.
Fentanyl is an order of magnitude worse than alcohol or even coke. Ending the perverse retake of Bolivaran Republic and allowing a nation with among the most oil reserves actually prosper is worth a 1 hour war.
> a 1 hour war
"Marihuana Tax Act of 1937"
Sounds more like an 89 year war *against our own citizens* than one hour. But, I'm sorry, you had something vastly historically ignorant to say about Prohibition 2.0?
I am a former EMT who used to be married to a pharmacist. I am *precisely* aware of how much more potent fentanyl is than other opiates. I'm also aware of how we got to the point where people were using that *instead* of other opiates.
I've also actually read the Constitution. No doubt you are aware that the 18th Amendment provided Congress with the authority to ban alcohol, and the 21st Amendment repealed that authority.
Please cite which subsequent amendment granted Congress the authority to ban **any other** substance "for our own good".
Wasn't an amendment. They dusted off "the treaty making power" and used that to end-run it. From Missouri v. Holland:
"We do not mean to imply that there are no qualifications to the treaty-making power; but they must be ascertained in a different way. It is obvious that there are matters of the sharpest exigency for the national well being that an act of congress cannot deal with but that a treaty followed by such an act could..."
The implications were so threatening that OH Senator Bricker proposed an amendment to clarify that the fedguv could not use treaties as an excuse to seize new powers otherwise undelegated to it. To a constitutionalist, this would be a slam dunk.. but after years of fighting, it was defeated by a coalition of pinkos, deep-staters, and "conservative" President Eisenhower.
https://fee.org/articles/globalism-and-sovereignty-a-short-history-of-the-bricker-amendment/
That's pretty much my point, yeah. The War on Some Drugs is vastly unconditional, IMO.
Thanks for the article. It touches on so many issues that are still relevant. I didn’t really know what you were responding to since it was primarily about International Treaties, and Past Presidents positions on national sovereignty.
Adopt which 'monkeys'? Do you mean the Venezuelans?
Not our rodeo, not our clowns
It's a riff on the phrase "Not my circus, not my monkeys". The monkeys in this case would be more "the set of problems facing Venezuela".
Ah, I see. The thing is that the US doesn't live in splendid isolation from the rest of the world and to some extent it matters to Americans what other countries are doing, especially those not a million miles away. If America were located in the Andromeda Galaxy then I would agree with you.
I mean, it's true that we don't, but most of the problems we face from Venezuela could be remedied in far better fashion than taking the place over. Hopefully we'll hand things over to the fellow who actually won their last election and get out quickly. And hopefully that guy won't be a complete shitshow too.
And if that happens you will still maintain that it was a mistake to go in? If your answer is 'yes' then we can stop this discussion right now. And if your answer is 'no', then what the hell are you talking about here?
The far better fashion won't give you 79-cent gas though
We care especially when we wake up to hear bot China and Russia were occupying our Southern border overnight.
Both
And no other country is affected by the US? They do all live in splendid isolation and US imperialism doesn't affect them?
Er, no. I don't see your point. It is YOU, not me, who is advocating non-intervention because you believe what vbenezuela does doesn't affect the US. That's not a view that I take.
People who say prohibition one didn’t achieve its goals don’t understand quite how much Americans were drinking before it was initiated. How many drug and alcohol deaths would we have to see annually before we got prohibition again? We were there.
The problem is that Fentanyl is not easy to identify. China manufactures it to look like other pharmaceuticals that people buy on the street, most notably Adderall for ADHD. Many have been prescribed this drug since they were children. It’s made to look the same, therefore safe. Unlike a glass of whiskey.
We didn’t have poisons being bootlegged last century. It was alcohol.
Desperately hunting for a sarcasm indicator anywhere here,
You do know that alcohol is literally a poison, right?
You do know that the result of Prohibition was that more lethal poisons ended up getting marketed in the form of incompetently-made booze?
That is why many of us never imbibe, but we all have seen others drink too much. The comparison is between what kills every time, and what is drunk without killing on most occasions. Prohibition was the second, or there would be no need for a law.
If fentanyl killed "every time", they wouldn't have given me patches containing it to stock on the ambulance.
Warfarin, prescribed as a blood thinner, is *literally* sold as rat poison.
Alcohol, as mentioned, is also a poison so common that it's used as a sterilizing agent.
More to the point, Congress lacks the constitutional authority to regulate any of it. At least with Prohibition 1.0 they went to the effort of following the rules to grant themselves that.
Narcan is used by Police, First Responders, and Emergency Rooms, as it was used for heroin OD’s. Lately police have reported that they are not able to stock the amount of NARCAN necessary to stop Fentanyl OD’s due to the quantity needed. Glad you got it.
In other words, "the dose makes the poison."
A truth that one-size-fits-all laws never wish to accommodate.
It is truly amazing the effort we expend on defeating Darwin, and all to our own detriment. We complain about political elites who act as if laws apply to everyone but them, then we evade natural laws with the same insolence because "we're special."
Frank, i think you nailed it. The EUtards (which includes the UK as they can’t seem to scratch their own ass w/o EHCR this and Euro logic that… what a wasted opportunity brexit was/is) seem to be stuck in envy mode and anti-NATO mode aka anti-US mode. If Britain continues its destabilization it should expect a rendition of its own (of 2TK Starmer).
Compare this blunt approach to the cautious lingo of EU bureaucrats.
It’s not about oil, oil isn’t about oil. Oil is about the petrodollar.
This is also about geography and geopolitics.
well I recall this, when Rove mentioned it and it maybe me laugh. These Bush boys believed they were inventing the wheel. A typical manifestation of almost total lack of culture, knowledge of History. Because since ever brute force does obviously impact flow of events. Maybe Rove could study European History and try to understand what happens in Northern Black Sea since 2014,, as Russia secured Crimea, now Donbass and will probably shut off American oligarchy from Odessa even if not capturing the city (just render impossible for Americans to set a viable foot there)
the rule "might is right" that is being splashed openly by USA now, like back in the 19th century, when in 1848 they went to take Texas and California, in 1898 to Cuba and the small "banana republics" is not new, but by reviving it now in full force, in this contemporary internet world, the effect is that others who have some might will act the same way. USA problem is that it needs proxies in order to get some grip overseas.
I recall him saying this & wondering the hell this little pissant meant
You don’t recall him saying it since the quote appeared anonymously in a magazine article by Ron Suskind, though SimulationCommander’s attribution to Rove is widely accepted.
Oh thanks. I’ll find it.
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out."
Isn't that the entire premise of "American Gods?"
American Gods? From whence cometh that phrase? And how is it interpreted?
TV series of three seasons, from the Neil Gaiman book of the same name.
Excellent quote!
Hear ya, a "Celebration" of ugliness in all its form !!!!!!
You all need to listen to this @ 41:35; Elon Musk's Grandfather and 'Technochracy Inc." - https://rumble.com/v73sdh2-open-lines-live-call-in-show-w-mark-messina-and-joe-rambo-7pm-edt.html?e9s=src_v1_eh_us&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NewsTreason
I’m relieved to hear assurances from Kier Starmer that Britain was not involved.
Fear not.
Mr Starmer KC will induce a fully diverse response, and quite possibly an outrage.
He is pacing himself.
He just might crush a whole grape.
Venezuela isn’t an Islamic state so Starmer and the EU have a bit of leeway here, they don’t have to come out stridently against it to please their more violently peaceful voting demographic.
Whoa, there, let’s not get radical!
Mr Starmer KC is a famous body builder - hold on, I mean he likes healthy young men - hold on.... Ofcom on line..... yes, yes, yes........
OK: The approved view. Mr Starmer KC is glorious. Allegedly.
I will be interested to see what he has to say.
He will be dying to virtue signal and "condemn" the actions of the US, at the same time as knowing that he is completely irrelevant to them, and he needs their approval far more than they need his.
Indeed - you capture the predicament well.
Even though Mr Starmer KC protests he will be Prime Minister forever, reality will provide a brutal check for this comfortably off Marxist. This also applies to the words he will utter in vain over the Venezuela affair.
Starmer couldn’t be involved even if he’d wanted to be . America acts , Starmer watches ……
Clearly, he likes to watch. A 21st century Chauncey Gardener.
My comment was meant to be ironic.
And all the more wonderful. A great understated ZuZu's Petals post.
We didn't need those assurances, this was readily observable by the fact that the operation succeeded; at least the initial one with Maduro's capture. Unlike the British invasion of Kursk region, which turned out to be an unmitigated (apart from the show effect) disaster for Britain's supposed allies in the Ukraine Armed Forces.
HAH
Me too! Say. did you hear about the sale on used French battle rifles? They have only been dropped once. Britain fits this as well. Look how it went for Percival and their fight on the Malay Peninsula. France, the EU and the UK would just get in our way and F things up.
Until his Islamic rape gangs are unleashed. He loves the broken pieces of his own people 🤢
This is the first news I've read today. At first I thought 'Wow, America has gone into Venezuela!' Then I thought, 'Ah, I see. It's just Eugyppius's joke. This is all far too dramatic to be real'. And then I double checked and it was real. How wonderful! Surprising things can still happen and the world isn't locked in a permanent stalemate. So what next? The Iranians overthrow the Mullahs? The AfD overthrows the German government? Israel sorts out the Middle East and we sort out our stupid progressive lefties? Thank goodness for Trump, if only for entertainment value.
That last line sums it up well.
Drumpf talks a good game. Does a few good things, plenty of bad things, but at least he winds up the left like no one else.
I laughed out loud while reading this. It's 100% true! No one gives a damned what the globalists of the UN and the EU think. It's not like they ever do anything other that suck the blood out of people who work for a living. How long is the world (Europe in particular) going to put up with these parasites?
Now imagine an EU with competent leadership.
Then, in 2014, it would have annexed Libya, Tunisia and parts of Algeria and used these areas as a dumping ground for all illegals, and for criminals.
They would have put together an expeditionary force over ten years ago to do exactly what Trump finally did: start the process of taking control of Venezuela's oil.
Instead, the EU have splurged its rapidly dwindling resources on . . . what?
Power outages, rolling blackouts, pouring hundreds of billions of Euros each year into various black holes of corruption, and seemingly actively seeking to replay the period between 500AD and 1066AD.
> Now imagine an EU with competent leadership.
You request *entirely* too much of my imagination, friend. 🤣
Quoth my wife:
"Why can't you ever predict something good/nice happening?!"
I should have made Kassandrikard my online nickname...
You would need a good dose of psychedelics for a task like that.
Man... I've taken quite a few in my time, and even in my *most* altered states, I don't think I've ever envisioned anything *that* wild! 🤣🤣🤣
"Now imagine an EU with competent leadership"
I tried Buddy. I tried.
But I just can't get there!
I deny any accusations of using the Hunter S. Thompson-method of imagination!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
How so very delicious - quite 'Moorish'.
"Monitoring the situation" = I'm watching CNN 🤡
I sure hope Trump is hereby showing a sufficient number of young actual European guys that one can, in actual fact, "just do things," and time's been, you know, a-wasting. You yourself prove there's at least some of the necessary stock to call upon how you've faced grim circumstances with courage and wise strategy.
I'm not much of a Hegseth fan for what he himself is, but damn. He sure seems to know how to get the very best out of the men under his command.
And though I don't know if this move has been right, it's sure been something to wake up to this Saturday. I hadn't even turned on the TV yet when SimCom's email header in my inbox made my first mug of tea sort of unnecessary. This gonna be a lively year!
"Eurocucks" would seem equally appropriate here too.
That's pretty good
Drugs drugs drugs!!!!
The fact the country is full of oil and bauxite and is cozy with Russia, China and Iran…. No it’s definitely NOT THAT!!!!
Funny that Ukraine is soooo similar. And yesterday the ruskies just took control of the largest manganese deposit in the world.
Prediction: Maduro and wife will face a single criminal charge:
mortgage fraud.
And will get off when it is discovered that the judge the administration assigned to try them is in fact a defrocked Scientologist auditor who was never appropriately sworn in.
lolol
On judge Neapolitano they said one of the charges is possessing machine guns which is prohibited by an (already revoked) US law from 1937. And of course being a drug boss.
It's only 1/3, but this is so far the stupidest charge I have heard this year.
Are we pretending that US law makes machine gun possession illegal for anyone anywhere in the world? Including national sovereigns?
It's almost as if the new kindler, gentler, "second-amendment friendly DOJ" had a meeting to determine how they could possibly piss off their supporters in the American gun community any harder than they already have done.
GDH… that was good, i actually LOL’d!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Them and the UN. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
To Kaja Kallas (if that is her real name): You yap about respecting international laws and the United Nations Charter. Well, I will inform you that the Monroe Doctrine precedes the UN Charter, so you can stick that idea where Ursula's butt will hurt.
thank you, most apt. here's Russia's TASS reporting - "...Aggression condemnation, fallout: global reaction to US operation in Venezuela [....] In the statements of the leaders and foreign ministries of several countries, Washington's action is characterized as aggression and an attempt to change power in the country..." - https://tass.com/world/2068203
And your point is that if TASS is reporting this intervention as 'aggression', then it must have been a bad thing? How about if the state-run media of Iran said this was an act of aggression? Would that make it doubly bad?
The only thing America could do to get on the good side of those regimes is to either take their side or always do nothing, which seems to be what many here are advocating.
TASS reports how various countries have reacted. thank you for (not) reading it.
You're very welcome.
After she was not able to govern a country with one and an half million, she got apointed as the foreign minister of 400 million EU citizens.
There’s a lot to love about this operation, not least of which is that the Trump administration managed to pull it off without telling virtually anyone who wasn’t directly involved - hence, none of those “mysterious” leaks.
So while the rest of the entire world is left appearing flat footed and flailing, Trump just cornered the market on the largest oil reserves in the world, and liberated an entire nation from a murderous tyrannical dictator.
Not bad for a day’s (several months in the planning) work.
It *was* an impressively untelegraphed operation, at that.
Hakeem Jeffries has entered the chat.
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There must have been a fair few Venezuelans involved as well. There appears to have been no pushback.
I’m sure he’s knowledgeable in the need for surprise. He also knows he can’t trust Congress. The strike would never. happen if anyone had a minute’s notice.
Talk about filling up the tank ! 😂
I am surprised anyone is surprised.
The USA has ascerted extra territorial jurisdiction when it identifies breaches of its own laws by people elsewhere, mainly when it considers its own interests have been damaged. It applies in commercial and regular criminal affairs.
It does not matter whether you agree with this concept but clearly the EU and ECHR do believe in exactly the same principal. The ECJ and ECHR invent laws and apply them to people and businesses and governments which have never agreed to them. Indeed, in that respect, the US arrangement is better because at least there the laws are made and enforced by due process.
The UN was established on the basis of certain rules being accepoted by all its members and Permanent Members of the Security Council were called upon to ensure compliance. Givcen the outrageous breach of the requirement for fair and democratic elections the USA would be amply justified in helping the people of Venezuela. Perhaps they could help in the EU where unelected officials have overturned member state governments.
> Perhaps they could help in the EU where unelected officials have overturned member state governments.
Maybe that's what the Eurocrats are afraid of...
Please liberate us from these tyranical dictators Drumpf!
The Venezuelan one time Dictator Maduro, now the head of a cartel that works with China, Iran, Russia to destroy the people of the USA with poisons they manufacture and deliver to the US via another cartel. Let’s just sayMaduro is no leader of any nation and he is no ally, no neighbor, and no friend. It is a relief to know he is on our soil, incarcerated.
What's the evidence for this? (it sounds like Neocon propaganda to justify this kidnapping).
Nothing neocon. Justice.
The Justice Department had an indictment (warrant for arrest) for 10 years). Our President offered him exile in many places but if he didn’t accept, he would take him to the NYC COURT via helicopter. Maduro didn’t believe him, so he is now incarcerated in Brooklyn.
I’m not sure what evidence you a questioning.
Head of a cartel that works with China, Russia, Iran.
China and other Central American cartels. Each has its job. Maduro was indicted for this years ago and is incarcerated in NYC now.
Historically this has been known as an application of the Monroe Doctrine. So now it may be called by some as the Donroe Doctrine.
It’s being called by it’s historic name, the Monroe Doctrine and implemented as same.
Hahahaha
Gee if we did this so easily, getting the Eurotards in Brussels would be a walk in the park. That is probably what they are upset about. Trump did not devote his life to climbing the party ladder, so he is not tied to any dogma other than his own.
I just saw a shot story about WW2 that kind of applies. It was March 1945, Montgomery and the British planned a massive crossing of the Rhine but were still planning it and waiting for the right moment. George Patton and his 3rd Army were south of them, discovered the Rhine was not protected in his area, built a pontoon bridge and moved his whole army across in three days. Montgomery was very upset because Patton's move was not approved. Wanted Patton fired. Eisenhower thought about it but decided that ending the war sooner with fewer casualties allowed unauthorized movement by a commander when the situation was right.
Trump and Patton would have gotten along quite well I think.