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Cynicon Implant's avatar

I'm glad that here in the the U.S. our current regime isn't pursuing frivolous law suits against the opposition leader.

Oh wait.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

Try living in America's Hat with Justine Castreau and Jagmeet Singh...🙄

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sonya's avatar

Good one!!!!

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John Carter's avatar

Had he said "Nothing for Germany", there would have been no legal trouble whatsoever. Odd that.

If the AfD is benefiting from defamatory harassment in the media and persecution by the politicized justice system, there's an easy way to deny them that benefit, although I suppose it hasn't occurred to the journalists.

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Riri's avatar

And it would be sadly accurate. Some satirists and commentators did sarcastically adapted it to state: Nothing for Germany. Everything for Ukraine

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John Carter's avatar

They should be taken at their word, and sent to the front lines in Ukraine.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

absolutely. just like all those who stand with Israel, go there then. stand with them.

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

I think we can agree we'd definitely chip in to help Queers for Palestine to realize their ambitions too :)

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Throgmorton's avatar

Pretty pointless, as there are no tall buildings left for Hamas to throw them off.

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Procrastnator's avatar

Hang gliders can reach the requisite height I'm sure.

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Hundred3Y35's avatar

Lots of big rocks to throw at them though

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

absolutely !

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Throgmorton's avatar

Yes, send them to the Eastern Front. They richly deserve it!

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

It is shocking how many ways Ukraine has been sliced up - from digital ID, digital central bank currency to one quarter of all farm land owned by a handful of shadowy characters. That's before we consider the labs operated by other nations because it is illegal to perform such research in their own countries. All endorsed by President Zelensskkyyeevv.

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Remy's avatar

70% of Ukraine’s farmland is controlled by private interests … that’s how GMO’s got in. that’s not even mentioning the US presence at Burisma and Metabiota … Ukraine has been sacrificed by the West in its bid to weaken Russia! very sad truth for the people of the Ukraine who lost an entire generation to the meatgrinder.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Indeed - regardless of the position of pro- this or that, Ukraine's public have in the main suffered immensely whilst their corrupt leadership and power players take cuts of the foreign cash pouring in.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

just like it always is with wars, the rich and famous sit safely in their castles and mansions, while the plebs die in the mud. has there ever been peace in the middle East? I wonder if these people even know what that is?

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Throgmorton's avatar

The ME has been in a constant state of war for four millennia.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Rather better written then my point. Thank you.

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MAGRIETHA DU PLESSIS's avatar

I must just add that my family has Ukrainian friends that fled Ukraine not because of the war but because they were prosecuted as "Russians" in the Donbas area, just saying, it adds to it all as we know

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Indeed. The human tragedy is immense for those who don't have power to stop the war.

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Mark Bisone's avatar

Yes. And then eventually, "Everything *from* Ukraine," meaning farmlands, wealth, resources, supply routes, energy markets, etc." At least, that was the plan of the USG and the oligarchs: to carve her up and dish her out. Russia had a different plan, and the competence to carry it out. Oops.

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Martyn's avatar

My thoughts exactly!

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Danno's avatar

The current strategy of the government/media all but guarantees a backlash which will ultimately consume them. As eugyppius has pointed out, they lack the machinery to enforce a hard authoritarian state. For that you need at least a modicum of popularity. They have none.

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Tamenund's avatar

"For that you need at least a modicum of popularity."

Although one could hardly be blamed for thinking that just getting the trains to run on time would get you in the good graces of most people...

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http://coronistan.blogspot.com's avatar

"Had he said "Nothing for Germany"" LOL Exactly!

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

right now you can not be for the progress in your own country. you only can support millions of illegal immigrants, who are now protesting they have to leave 5 star rooms and move to 4 star rooms. And probably that the food is not good enough, they want caviar and champagne.

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SCA's avatar

How brutally sad that you must append disclaimers and explanations to some of what you write.

Some necessary things came out of us living through this our Plague Era. It demonstrated that the savage impulse to demonize and destroy The Other--and that anyone, anywhere can at the whim of authority or the mob become in an instant The Other--lives dormant in everyone and that no one anywhere can claim to be immune to what leads to horrors as happened in Nazi Germany. This is the actual lesson we should never forget but as we see in our present instance, there are no lockdowners here or anywhere, there never were and therefore none of them need flee surreptitiously to Argentina.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

The Good Professor knows that certain actions are criminal in Germany. The last point is made to ensure the Good Professor is able to inform us, but not face jail as a result. Yes, it is sad, but necessary.

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Rikard's avatar

I'm not read-up on german laws on the issue, but if they are anything like ours (Sweden) a disclaimer has zero legal bearing when it comes to adjudicating whether or not a statement is a criminal act (neither does any factual content of the statement).

I could write "According to 'The Bell-curve..." and then reference some non-white group with lower average IQ, and I could be convicted of hate-speech.

There's precedence for exactly that example here.

Even more sickening, the law (how it's practiced, not how it's written) take the races/ethnicities of the speaker and the receiving party into account. A palestinian might call for the extermination for all jews everywhere, in public, and wouldn't be charged (wouldn't even be arrested), but a swede doing it would face prison.

And again, there's precedent for exactly that, dating back decades.

I somewhat suspect that Germany, Britain et cetera have modelled their hate-speech laws on ours.

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

I share your pessimism, and from the description of the Swedish law, the present UK law certainly has exactly the same presumptions. One of the UK barristers (KC, meaning King's Council, who by chance used to serve in the EHCR back in 2011) involved in the Swiss case before the EHCR said that the Canton referendums were 'problematic'. That's a legal professional decrying a process enshrined in law.

Ultimately a disclaimer is not worth much, but better than nothing.

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Rikard's avatar

It's the same attitude here, among the chattering classes and the politicos:

Public referenda are a problem and a threat ot Our Democracy.

And the law for how to force politicians to hold a referendum has a caveat that allows an elected assembly to ignore the result of a referendum.

As a swedish working class author noted in the 1950s: Sweden is not a democracy. Sweden is a Demokratur.

(Demokratur is a compund of Demokrati and Diktatur, i.e. dictatorship. The implications is, we vote and it doesn't matter much or at all since the politicians all think alike anyway.)

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

I lived in the Free State of Trollhattan from 1998 to 2002. As a foreign guest worker I was permitted to pay tax, but of course not permitted to vote - this is all correct. I observed the then Prime Minister give dimensionless answer after dimensionless answer, year after year. Gosh, that was frustrating. Sweden deserved so much better.

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MAGRIETHA DU PLESSIS's avatar

Same here in South Africa, Julius Malena can sing "kill the boer, kill the farmer" and it is all allowed but let one white use the "K" word and they are immediately prosecuted for hate speech

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SCA's avatar

Was that not the point of my comment?

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Yes. I misunderstood. My apologies.

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sonya's avatar

If I wouldn’t have seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears I wouldn’t have believed it could happen so quickly and so easily in our “modern” times.

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SCA's avatar

It has been a very valuable lesson but there's an awful lot of amnesia in the air.

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sonya's avatar

Truer words were never spoken. So many like to pretend everything is “normal” again when absolutely nothing is normal again and these same people turn a blind eye to people dropping dead all around them and the cancer rates skyrocketing all the while the genocide silently continues unabated.

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MAGRIETHA DU PLESSIS's avatar

Yes, they just say it is all over, let's move on without realizing that it is going to happen again. I cannot get one of my family and friends to discuss it.

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sonya's avatar

I likewise cannot discuss it with one of my kids, and my father-in-law and my husband’s entire side of the family. We’re conspiracy theorists to them.

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sonya's avatar

Your last sentence says it all.

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IceSkater40's avatar

I made a much less succinct comment above before reading your comment. But it's basically the exact same point. I wish that people would learn this lesson - but you're right, there are no lockdowners anywhere anymore - despite us being surrounded by them.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

one should start reading at the bottom. I just noticed I made the same booboo

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IceSkater40's avatar

Well - the more the merrier if we're all in agreement. :) Not really a booboo - just maybe didn't need to spend the time/effort? (except there's value in knowing many people have similarly understood the current situation?)

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Substack has been a brain saver !

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

Couple of things for you, vis-a-vis the German government's lunatic ban on Crimethink?

💣 "Never Let Them Forget What They Said" - https://captroyharkness.substack.com/p/never-let-them-forget-what-they-said

💣 “Repent.”- https://captroyharkness.substack.com/p/repent

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Cornwall Marc's avatar

The thing is, if the current government hadn't totally cocked everything up whilst becoming ever more totalitarian, voters wouldn't be supporting the AfD in large numbers. They've only got themselves to blame for this protest vote.

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Danno's avatar

The Kakistocracy is incapable of running a country. One way or another, they're going to fail. It's a shame that they're going to bring a lot of innocent Germans down with them.

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Laughing Goat's avatar

They're of the mindset that if they only suppressed the malcontents enough, their grand plan could finally work and everyone would then be happy.

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Danno's avatar

But the result seems to be the creation of more and more malcontents.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

"Progressivism" inevitably progresses toward absolute state control over speech and the genocide of dissenters.

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KHP's avatar

The quest for utopia always winds up at the killing fields. This is because human beings literally can't all agree on what "utopia" should be, and so those who are determined to get to their own personal version.have to resort to force if they aren't going to give up the quest.

To me, of course, this seems like a strong argument in favor of very limited government. As Jerry Pournelle liked to say, a stable polity Requires the law to be what 85% of the people will put up with, rather than what every temporary majority of 50% + 1 can push through whenever power changes hands.

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Douglas Hackleman's avatar

Heaven on earth, the politics of hell.

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

Exactly. We keep forgetting what the hard left actually do when they get powerful. They have disdain for freedom of expression, and for any dissenting voices, including their own side.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

" 'Not all they're cracked up to be' ? One day you'll wish you hadn't said that, Uglúk." 😘

— Grishnákh

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Down with Hocke! All wrongthinking counter-revolutionaries must be denounced and destroyed. Only the Germans can rival the CCP on how to hold proper struggle sessions: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/uri-berliner-npr-ceo-redguard-struggle-session

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Bash's avatar

I wonder what all the professional worriers do all day, if they seem oblivious to the numerous and various problems that Germany has

Now I know. Giving power to meaningless slogans, I mean who gives a shit, really?

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Remy's avatar

same as Canada …

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

In the mental prison they inhabit these are high crimes.

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Reader's avatar

Germany's bien pensant appear to be in murder/suicide mode. They're steadily ruining the country, and they're not going to be able to flee to Miami when vulture oligarchs come to pick at the carcass.

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Danno's avatar

Ironically, they're doing everything they can to set the stage for fascism.

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Remy's avatar

fascism is exactly what’s happened under “democratic rule” since 2020 …

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

a while ago I read from someone, that the 'far' end of one meets the 'far' end of the other, it is a circle. It made sense.

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Rikard's avatar

It's well-known theorem in political science, called the horseshoe effect.

Thirty years ago, it was among the basic ideas and nothing special. Today, it is increasingly often maligned or ignored by professors and textbooks.

I have my suspicions as to why.

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Rikard's avatar

They are "anti-fascists" and opposites attract.

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

This seems to be frequently overlooked. The Irish are the same.

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Ed Meyer's avatar

Do these people not understand they are becoming that which they purport to hate? Do they not see that the very tactics they are using to silence people like Hocke and CJ Hopkins and eugyppius are precisely the same as those used so skillfully, and to such great effect, by the likes of Ernst Rohm and Joseph Goebbels? By the likes of Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, or any other of dozens of these prolifically murderous 'leaders"?

Do they not have the slightest understanding that what they are doing with these "wrong speech" trials is simply a step along the process of dehumanizing an enemy in order to ease the path to an internalized rationalization that eventually provides a moral justification for simply murdering him? Because annihilation of that which is not human is easily justifiable for the committed ideologue.

Has Germany learned nothing from the stark lessons found in their history? And in the lessons found in so many examples of other governments who have murdered so many of their own citizens just in the last 150 years?

Germany is not alone tho, as I watch governments all over the world, once again, using their power to silence certain of those they don't like, with the full knowledge that in doing so, they are also providing an example intended to intimidate others into the very careful self-censorship they desire... like that found in footnote 1.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

they have had masks on for too long, their brains are numbed by almost suffocating....

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Rick Olivier's avatar

call me a skeptic but I suspect they know full well what they're doing: Progress!

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Kim's avatar

Becoming? Their book on activism states that throwing bricks at your own protests is a valid and recommended tactic to build public support for their cause.

They've always been like this, it's just been (slightly) hidden on their march through the institutions.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

You are affording far too much integrity and honesty to these people. They don't care one whit about their supposed principles, it is all about sentimentality, control, and power.

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pyrrhus's avatar

"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime" in action...Stalin and Beria are very amused by these show trials...

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Rikard's avatar

Perhaps Höcke could apply for political asylum somewhere? Being jailed for speaking your opinion, especially if a politician and doubly so if a politician in opposition to the incumbent regime of the nation in question, used to be one the number one causes for being granted asylum.

I'm quite sure Höcke applying for asylum in let's say Denmark or Poland would go over like a lead zeppelin with the german media.

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la chevalerie vit's avatar

He only need go to Mexico and walk north

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

unless of course, he gets incarcerated there like Assange

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Cynthia Jeanne Ford's avatar

It is just fucking unbelievable that you have to prostrate yourself before their officious totalitarian censorship spies in order to be able to even keep publishing. We need to invent a language that gets past all censors. I think of Jean Anilouh's Antigone, performed in Occupied Paris, attended by high ranking Nazis, who were so infatuated with their own grandiosity, that they didn't realize what was being evoked. This is such bullshit.

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eugyppius's avatar

quotations are generally protected, but given how trigger happy prosecutors are, it’s not worth taking any chances.

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Rikard's avatar

German law uses precedence, doesn't it? If so, then all it takes is one prosecutor and one case to make it praxis that quotations can be a criminal act against speech-laws.

Such was the case here. Initially, quoting from sources wasn't "prosecutable". Then, a court decided that "hiding behind quotes" as a way to avoid prosecution wasn't the intent of the lawmaker.

This now includes things like quoting from official state reports and data sources. If I was to point out that the over-representation factor for rape among arabs in Sweden is 25:1, that could be a criminal act, even if I was to reference a source.

It even includes dissertations, thesis-papers and research: currently, a researcher from Lund is (still) under criminal investigation for noting in a footnote that the overrepresentation of certain races in rape-cases, especially child-rape, is staggering and much higher than she had previously thought.

Doesn't matter that she is a credentialed licensed researcher, using official sources: stating a truth that goes against the narrative and the "värdegrund" is a crime in its own right.

Me, I've got very little to lose. I'm retired and cashiered by the system here. Wouldn't be a loss if I had to go to prison.

You have an international audience of tens of thousands or more, learning about Germany of today - you need to have deep think or two on this, if you don't mind me saying so. Sweden and Germany aren't that different, and we both know that in our respective nations, the law is what the leaders say it is, when it comes down to the bone.

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Riri's avatar

The country is such a pantomime.

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dpci's avatar

The term 'dog whistle' itself is used in the most manipulative way to characterize your opponent as subhuman. As only a dog will respond to a dog whistle. These are your tolerant, upstanding and enlightened betters is the subtle message behind the 'dog whistle' usage.

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

It is also self-flattery. The only people who use the term are the left, and they wish to convey they can detect the subtle underlying tones of hate everyone else misses.

I've always had a goal to try to establish something completely crazy as a "hard-right dog whistle" just to see if we can get them to take it onboard as their adherents tend to be low self-esteem types who seek out these kinds of superiority markers.

Liking vanilla ice cream is white supremacy, that kind of thing.

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Kim's avatar

You mean like this? (2015)

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C

They also did it with milk (2018)

https://archive.is/LYyEM

and the milk thing is still causing seethe among the globalists (2023)

https://archive.is/RPWMR

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

Outstanding. I was unfamiliar with the milk one.

Our cultural enemies are paranoid and thin skinned.

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la chevalerie vit's avatar

Most dogs are among the most loving and loyal creatures to walk this earth, when treated well. It is a blessing and honor to have such a companion in one’s life and to call it to one’s side.

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Danno's avatar

All of this nonsense arose from the bureaucrat class's hubris generated by the pandemic. In 2020 they flexed their weak muscles and clamped down on a fearful public. Now, without a crisis, they're completely exposed as they idiots and charlatans they are to anyone with half a brain.

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Tareq I. Albaho, PhD's avatar

So it seems prosecutors in G****** are watching their counterparts in USA, and learning all the wrong lessons.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

Unfortunately not, if anything the influence is the other way around.

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Ossi's avatar

Bizarre. I was about to make a Carlin-esque "7 dirty words" quip, but prison time and alienation of political rights are dead serious stuff.

Does the law literally contain a written list of words and phrases that can't be uttered, or is it a "know it when you see it" principle that's left to prosecutorial discretion?

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eugyppius's avatar

the laws literally list specific phrases and slogans.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

Carlin is the sort of person who would actually be in favour of the process that's leading to—actually, has already lead to, let's be frank—the abolishment of Germany and Germans, while simultaneously disavowing just this one of their methods. He was a devoted "anti-fascist".

I wouldn't spit on his grave.

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