Over a week ago, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz caved to enormous international pressure and agreed to supply German Leopard tanks to Ukraine, and also to authorise the export of Leopards held by other countries to our easternmost neighbour.
What happened is everyone - including Canada - got lazy and took things for granted under the bosom of American protection. Our muscles to remain vigilant in defence of liberty atrophied. Now we're realizing we're impotent trouble makers.
Exactly. As much as Europe is a demilitarised colonial outpost of America, this is Europe's own choice and fault. Decolonisation will be both expensive and time-consuming.
The USA became secure in its position and became the GAE. Like you said, it's crumbling in real time. Too weak to defend itself, and doesn't even have the moral will to do so.
It is going to suck to live through but not nearly as much as it would suck if it didn't fall apart.
just like a few weeks ago, when we had a frost about as hard as I have seen in the 18 years I live here in the south. LOL. We joked about the warming up.
I think Acapulco defeated it already - low 20c and high 30c every day of the year +/- a few degrees within that range. People there wish they had 'seasons' , they don't really grasp the idea IMO. example:
Ottawa Canada resident, we have occasional winter days with high of -30c and summer days with +33c highs (90% humidity) and overnight lows of +26 (still mighty humid). Our wardrobes prepare us for every weather event . yuck!
Steghorn ,hang on to it you may need it .Having that tank is better than nothing .But I'm not sure if tiger tanks are still in fashion .The new tanks will be named after politicians ,not wild animals ,it will scare the enemy much more than a wild Tiger .
All future tank models will be named after the most evil Exterminaters ,like Schwab or Biden or Faussi . Names like that are way more scary ,than Tiger tank .Why do the Germans name their tanks after pussy cats ? It would cause panic in the Russian army if a number of Schwabs did battle .
It would be the battle of the century ,if a train load of SCHWABS and BIDENS make contact with the Russian tanks . I believe the Russians would have to bring out the old Stalin organs ,that they used in w.w. 2 .
Behold the dreaded BAERBOCK Mk. I – the first feminist German Infantry Fighting Vehicle [IFV, not to be confused with IVF, or In Vitro Fucking] that can be operated with low effort, zero skills and knowledge because it is remotely controlled from Washington D.C. It is carbon neutral since it is powered by methane derived from 100% green brain farts. It appears to be severely underpowered re. human intelligence and situational awareness, but it is highly opinionated. Although additionally hampered by low survivability and extremely high maintenance costs it is able to stun enemy forces with its sheer amount of arrogance, narcissism, and stupidity. This will be a true game-changer!
So may Panzer Fausts where made in Germany during the war ,there must be large numbers of it in hidden places ,or in storage ,for the next blitz krieg . Every person in the war zone can carry one on each shoulder and then aim and shoot .It's so easy even house wife's can do it ,shooting out the kitchen window .Olav should be bribed to release some of the Wunder waffen .
The Poles where well served after the war,they got a big junk of eastern Germany .Why did the poles not give road access to Danzig ? The Germans used that partly as reason to invade .
How far back in history do you want to go? It would be very easy to find historic examples from when Poland was a greater power than Germany; are the poles living today to pay reparations for what was done before they were born?
And since Sweden's and Poland's old royal families share roots, does that mean Sweden belongs to Pland or vice versa?
And how big reparations should Britain, Spain and France pay for the genocide they inflicted upon the indigenous people of the Americas?
And how much should the italians pay to palestinians and jews for sacking Judea and the Levant?
I think this interviewee is spot on in his assessment. Europe doesn't want war. They're making "token" gestures to appease the US and it's messed up leadership.
Yes, the UK is talking a tough game but suffers from the same lack of resources as the rest of Europe.
Recently an article in the Daily Telegraph claimed that the British Army would run out of ammunition within days if it had to fight a war.
Realistically Britain's military now fulfils a similar function for the Americans as the Gurkhas used to provide for the British - a few extra regiments of well-disciplined troops with their own colourful traditions, who can join in an operation but couldn't mount one on their own.
Yes, but what I want to know is - did America actually win the Revolutionary War? Or was that for popular consumption, and the City of London won and is keeping the US and the rest of the UK in line?
The revolution was a class rebellion against the old regime of crown and altar. It was never a matter very much of America winning or losing but of planters, financiers, emerging industrialists, and lawyers winning or losing. So it's natural that the City was or would become their ally against a system which, from time to time, paid lip service to unsecularity.
In a way, the USA begins to look comical, or pernicious, when you consider her first flag. It's virtually the same as the British East India company's at the time but with the union extended an extra stripe down the hoist. It's a good reminder about the aims of the revolution and who was supposed to be in charge.
Although I'm not a Christian, or even a theocrat, I still believe in a natural class structure. There needs to be a priesthood at the top. The go-getters must be kept in perpetual check somewhat lower down, say, as a third class. Allowing them to rule, as they do now, is like putting children in charge of parenting.
“Token” gestures of appeasement are the same as tacit support and approval. Cowards are afraid to say what they stand for (akin to a one legged man in an ass kicking contest). I prefer a psychopath who is honest with -self bite’m and shellinsky?
This disgraceful proxy war to cover the Biden criminal cartel crimes and cover the 3rd rate actor hack in ukraine is a crime against humanity and treason for our Manchurian Candidate charlatan president.
If by ‘next door’ you mean ‘down the private lane, out the iron gate, down the scenic hillside road and into the tangle of apartment blocks at the edge of town.’
What does the average “man on the street “ in Europe actually think is going to happen if these maniacs actually pursue a conflict with Russia? I think even here in USA people are caught up in the supposed vast superiority of our military. I think depending on “Troop Tranny” is not going to end particularly well.
Since the news reporting is ridiculously one-sided, as in: if you only follow state and regime loyal media you'd think Russia has lost its entire army and airforce and has no ammo left, while the only ukrainian casualties are civilians murdered by russians, most people don't understand how the war can still be going on.
And when you point out that the news are so one-sided it makes Covid-reporting look sane, you are immediately accused of being a "Putinist".
We have been told for +50 years we may not criticise foreigners. I think that has built up a reservoir of resentiment all over western Europe, a reservoir which is now being emptied against Russia.
And not against the real enemy: the "refugees" invading us from MENA and Africa.
Completely ignoring the fact that pregnant women in the military are not allowed to do their normal duties according to how far they are along in their pregnancy.
In the Navy, they cannot be on a deploying warship past a certain timeframe.
we don't have enough land based missiles left to defend the homeland or last a week against China. We let the Ukronazis spend them all for nothing. And the people left on active duty are almost 100% injected.
Observation seems to indicate that whoever, (or whatever ?), is driving this rapid destruction of our society has pulled out all stops. Every facet of our existence is being attacked.
We can no longer feed, clothe, or house ourselves. We are doing away with borders and the rule of law. We seem to have decided to stop having children, or educating the few we do have. Which may be just as well, since we have nearly eliminated the nuclear family.
Europe certainly needs a strong, common defense policy, equipping it with a credible deterrent to foreign aggression, independent of Washington and also able to deter Washington from sabotaging its infrastructure.
My own sense is that if we had done so a decade ago, including by withdrawing from NATO and establishing a Common Defense Procurement framework (politically impossible due to the French), not alone would we be facing less anxiety over what Russia does within its own sphere of influence, but in fact Russia would have felt no need to invade Ukraine at all.
Russians proposed a common security initiative "from Lisbon to Vladivostok" for years. It always makes sense to cooperate and find common ground with your neighbors vs solving any minor disagreement with bombs and missiles.
Indeed. Instead we have chosen to drive Russia into the arms of China and India. And as anyone who has ever played Risk knows, if you control Asia, you pretty much win the game.
Beginning with the demented president of the US, who left billions of dollars in military materiel in Afghanistan, and then move on to Denmark's military...
All of it as as sensible as recruiting ITALY to join the fiasco.
(And I write that as a person whose family considers the four basic food groups to be rigatoni, ravioli, prosciutto, cacciatore. )
I'm not in Italy. My family left there 125 years ago. We're four generations into the US. But my family continues to have an eye-rolling affection for the dysfunctional home of our ancestors.
I do agree, however, that the new president is impressive.
France has 225 LeClerc main battle tanks. There is no manufacturing in place to make more. 40% of the fleet has been designated for 'training' as they are not operational due to lack of parts.
Any military materiel having an ancient microprocessor embedded in its controls is currently or soon-to-be out of service. Permanently, unless a very expensive and time-consuming upgrade program is executed.
Decades of freeloading on America's willingness to provide for the common defense of the Western democracies turns out to be, shall we say, a little short-sighted. Trump tried to convince our "allies", for their own good, to share more of the burden but, aside from Poland, all he got was empty promises from the other European "powers." Oh, and he also was attacked for "undermining NATO."
Strictly speaking the Netherlands actually doesn't even own the 18 tanks that it could send to Ukraine.
Rather they have leased these tanks from other NATO members through an opaque legal construction that conveniently prevents the Dutch finance ministry from collecting sales taxes on these from the ministry of defense.
So very Dutch, they can always claim they never sent their tanks.
hahaha. what were they thinking if a real war would break out, instead of this farce in Ukraine? Now the whole world knows what a poor thing the EU is. Where is all the money they got? In someone's pockets? Like the millions and millions missing here in the US? And of course this is the government. Who is going to sue them? the judges they have been putting in place themselves?
the most amazing thing to me, is realising how many of these tanks, claimed in the official accounting, are actually inoperable and require millions of euros to even run. no wonder the war had terrified euro leaders do much, they literally have nerf styrofoam armies
sounds like a lego block army. poor Europe. It is like these thousands of masks Belgium had, when they obliged to wear them, then discovered they were all way out of date. No one checks on the readiness of things anymore. I wonder if hospitals work with way out of date medicine and materials.
Apparently the bridges in Ukraine are designed to take a 40 tonne loading associated with Russian tanks. The Leopard tanks are over 60 so these guys might find it hard to move around very freely..if they ever get deployed..
When will Europe wake up to what is happening, what has happened?
Two more weeks...
So, the same amount of time that it took to flatten the curve
What happened is everyone - including Canada - got lazy and took things for granted under the bosom of American protection. Our muscles to remain vigilant in defence of liberty atrophied. Now we're realizing we're impotent trouble makers.
Exactly. As much as Europe is a demilitarised colonial outpost of America, this is Europe's own choice and fault. Decolonisation will be both expensive and time-consuming.
With the aggressiveness of China, Japan is rethinking its rethinking its non-militarization policy.
Yup
The USA became secure in its position and became the GAE. Like you said, it's crumbling in real time. Too weak to defend itself, and doesn't even have the moral will to do so.
It is going to suck to live through but not nearly as much as it would suck if it didn't fall apart.
Indeed. But to what degree do we need 'normies' and 'conforms' to make this happen?
Luckily they're all jabbed.
OK, uncle I’m tapping out. : )
Well said
Mid-February I bet...when the ground is nice and frozen solid.
Russia fights better in the cold.
Kathleen ,you forget with global warming the ground will never freeze again ,as during the German blitz Krieg .
just like a few weeks ago, when we had a frost about as hard as I have seen in the 18 years I live here in the south. LOL. We joked about the warming up.
Of course Ingrid every thing is upside down . In some locations global warming means snow storms ,blizzards .
It makes you wonder. How will we know when "climate change" has been defeated? Will it be 20C all year long?
I think Acapulco defeated it already - low 20c and high 30c every day of the year +/- a few degrees within that range. People there wish they had 'seasons' , they don't really grasp the idea IMO. example:
Ottawa Canada resident, we have occasional winter days with high of -30c and summer days with +33c highs (90% humidity) and overnight lows of +26 (still mighty humid). Our wardrobes prepare us for every weather event . yuck!
Not as long as big western governments still have departments of censorship which remove the information people need to actually WAKE UP.
As long as they're eating prime rib and sleeping on featherbeds in Davos, much will escape notice.
About the time Russian regulars are going house to house clearing ISIS militants from whatever's left of Berlin.
Maybe Germany should start checking the basements of its citizens. There might be a Tiger or 2 next to the racks of wine: https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/german-panther-tank/
I have a Tamaya 1.25 scale Tiger Tank plastic model on my bookshelf. I'll check if it's still there tomorrow.
Steghorn ,hang on to it you may need it .Having that tank is better than nothing .But I'm not sure if tiger tanks are still in fashion .The new tanks will be named after politicians ,not wild animals ,it will scare the enemy much more than a wild Tiger .
I can't wait for the BoJo tank!
I imagine it is the tank of the future - a "wide body" tank that moves faster in reverse and is powered by pure hypocrisy.
With the "straw hair" camo option.
And the new American M1 AOC!
I think BoJo would be in the Hair Force, not tanks.
All future tank models will be named after the most evil Exterminaters ,like Schwab or Biden or Faussi . Names like that are way more scary ,than Tiger tank .Why do the Germans name their tanks after pussy cats ? It would cause panic in the Russian army if a number of Schwabs did battle .
It would be the battle of the century ,if a train load of SCHWABS and BIDENS make contact with the Russian tanks . I believe the Russians would have to bring out the old Stalin organs ,that they used in w.w. 2 .
Behold the dreaded BAERBOCK Mk. I – the first feminist German Infantry Fighting Vehicle [IFV, not to be confused with IVF, or In Vitro Fucking] that can be operated with low effort, zero skills and knowledge because it is remotely controlled from Washington D.C. It is carbon neutral since it is powered by methane derived from 100% green brain farts. It appears to be severely underpowered re. human intelligence and situational awareness, but it is highly opinionated. Although additionally hampered by low survivability and extremely high maintenance costs it is able to stun enemy forces with its sheer amount of arrogance, narcissism, and stupidity. This will be a true game-changer!
Deploy ze Lesbians, Helmut!
everything for Ukraine LOL
Lol
So may Panzer Fausts where made in Germany during the war ,there must be large numbers of it in hidden places ,or in storage ,for the next blitz krieg . Every person in the war zone can carry one on each shoulder and then aim and shoot .It's so easy even house wife's can do it ,shooting out the kitchen window .Olav should be bribed to release some of the Wunder waffen .
They might want to keep those. With German tanks in Ukraine, Poland might invade and get some payback.
The Poles where well served after the war,they got a big junk of eastern Germany .Why did the poles not give road access to Danzig ? The Germans used that partly as reason to invade .
You must mean the First World War.
No I MEAN THE W.W. 2 KATHLEEN .
Those boundary lines were drawn after WWI which caused WW2.
Germany still owes Poland reparations for all the destruction they caused.
How far back in history do you want to go? It would be very easy to find historic examples from when Poland was a greater power than Germany; are the poles living today to pay reparations for what was done before they were born?
And since Sweden's and Poland's old royal families share roots, does that mean Sweden belongs to Pland or vice versa?
And how big reparations should Britain, Spain and France pay for the genocide they inflicted upon the indigenous people of the Americas?
And how much should the italians pay to palestinians and jews for sacking Judea and the Levant?
Not to mention what the greeks and mongols owe...
How much do the Americans owe for bombing the shit out of the Middle East for more than 20 years?
Yes, didn't the communist Polish government waive off claims for reparations? Comrades forgiving comrades.
I kind of remember reading something like that...
now you bring them to an idea yall
Oh ,John ,THE GERMANS HAVE RACKS OF WINE ? YOU MAKE ME THINK OF INVADING .
There's never been a better time. Go for it.
they will be glad to give them to you if you have wood and coal
They will probably achieve the same result in Ukraine as they did 80 years ago.
LMAO
It is time the public sees the bank accounts into which all this money is draining into....
Betting those bank accounts are in Switzerland, and the Swiss ain't talking.
Sieze, you mean ☺
I think this interviewee is spot on in his assessment. Europe doesn't want war. They're making "token" gestures to appease the US and it's messed up leadership.
https://rumble.com/v289ybd-oh-sht-here-we-go.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&ep=2
yes. I'd differentiate a little: Poland, the Baltics, UK are very bellicose. France, Germany - much more measured.
Croatia also seems to be in the France, Germany group. I was born there so it gladdens my heart.
Yes, the UK is talking a tough game but suffers from the same lack of resources as the rest of Europe.
Recently an article in the Daily Telegraph claimed that the British Army would run out of ammunition within days if it had to fight a war.
Realistically Britain's military now fulfils a similar function for the Americans as the Gurkhas used to provide for the British - a few extra regiments of well-disciplined troops with their own colourful traditions, who can join in an operation but couldn't mount one on their own.
Yes, but what I want to know is - did America actually win the Revolutionary War? Or was that for popular consumption, and the City of London won and is keeping the US and the rest of the UK in line?
The revolution was a class rebellion against the old regime of crown and altar. It was never a matter very much of America winning or losing but of planters, financiers, emerging industrialists, and lawyers winning or losing. So it's natural that the City was or would become their ally against a system which, from time to time, paid lip service to unsecularity.
In a way, the USA begins to look comical, or pernicious, when you consider her first flag. It's virtually the same as the British East India company's at the time but with the union extended an extra stripe down the hoist. It's a good reminder about the aims of the revolution and who was supposed to be in charge.
Although I'm not a Christian, or even a theocrat, I still believe in a natural class structure. There needs to be a priesthood at the top. The go-getters must be kept in perpetual check somewhat lower down, say, as a third class. Allowing them to rule, as they do now, is like putting children in charge of parenting.
“Token” gestures of appeasement are the same as tacit support and approval. Cowards are afraid to say what they stand for (akin to a one legged man in an ass kicking contest). I prefer a psychopath who is honest with -self bite’m and shellinsky?
This disgraceful proxy war to cover the Biden criminal cartel crimes and cover the 3rd rate actor hack in ukraine is a crime against humanity and treason for our Manchurian Candidate charlatan president.
Hang ‘em high!
But by appeasing the neocons, they will get war anyway.
In fairness any weapons that EU governments may have are clearly needed to combat those bastard farmers.
If by ‘next door’ you mean ‘down the private lane, out the iron gate, down the scenic hillside road and into the tangle of apartment blocks at the edge of town.’
What does the average “man on the street “ in Europe actually think is going to happen if these maniacs actually pursue a conflict with Russia? I think even here in USA people are caught up in the supposed vast superiority of our military. I think depending on “Troop Tranny” is not going to end particularly well.
Since the news reporting is ridiculously one-sided, as in: if you only follow state and regime loyal media you'd think Russia has lost its entire army and airforce and has no ammo left, while the only ukrainian casualties are civilians murdered by russians, most people don't understand how the war can still be going on.
And when you point out that the news are so one-sided it makes Covid-reporting look sane, you are immediately accused of being a "Putinist".
We have been told for +50 years we may not criticise foreigners. I think that has built up a reservoir of resentiment all over western Europe, a reservoir which is now being emptied against Russia.
And not against the real enemy: the "refugees" invading us from MENA and Africa.
And the US has an invasion across the southern border.
I've given up on mainstream/legacy media. I just can't stand it anymore.
Frankly, I'd happily trade africans and mid-easterners for south/central americans!
We took in lots of chileans and argentinians back in the day, and they haven't been any bother, unlike the africans and mid-easterners.
But, but, but...the US has maternity flight suits!
It would be very cruel of the Russians ,if they attack ,while the u.s. army is breast feeding their babies on the Russian border ,before attacking .
...or figuring out what pronouns to use.
I hope the US Army tells the confused soldiers not to wear stilettos into battle.
There's a thought: would stilettos be useful for detecting landmines?
stilettos are used at the front to poke cowards in the but before battle
Maybe if they are thrown.
Completely ignoring the fact that pregnant women in the military are not allowed to do their normal duties according to how far they are along in their pregnancy.
In the Navy, they cannot be on a deploying warship past a certain timeframe.
The flight suits are for the pregnant trans-men.
Are "pregnant trans-men" allowed in combat roles? Just askin'
Under the rules of THIS Defense Department? I'm sure they are.
Pentagon dithered about shooting down a balloon.
Must be too busy trying to figure out what pronouns to use.
...or "white rage" or something according to fat General Milley.
Milley ought to be busted down to digging "all-gender" latrines.
He's too fat to even be over to bend over to clean a latrine.
we don't have enough land based missiles left to defend the homeland or last a week against China. We let the Ukronazis spend them all for nothing. And the people left on active duty are almost 100% injected.
If everything fails ,the U.S. population can join the native Americans . They may be welcome as migrants ,[ or not ] ??
Observation seems to indicate that whoever, (or whatever ?), is driving this rapid destruction of our society has pulled out all stops. Every facet of our existence is being attacked.
We can no longer feed, clothe, or house ourselves. We are doing away with borders and the rule of law. We seem to have decided to stop having children, or educating the few we do have. Which may be just as well, since we have nearly eliminated the nuclear family.
No, none of it works!
Europe certainly needs a strong, common defense policy, equipping it with a credible deterrent to foreign aggression, independent of Washington and also able to deter Washington from sabotaging its infrastructure.
My own sense is that if we had done so a decade ago, including by withdrawing from NATO and establishing a Common Defense Procurement framework (politically impossible due to the French), not alone would we be facing less anxiety over what Russia does within its own sphere of influence, but in fact Russia would have felt no need to invade Ukraine at all.
Russians proposed a common security initiative "from Lisbon to Vladivostok" for years. It always makes sense to cooperate and find common ground with your neighbors vs solving any minor disagreement with bombs and missiles.
Indeed. Instead we have chosen to drive Russia into the arms of China and India. And as anyone who has ever played Risk knows, if you control Asia, you pretty much win the game.
@ samghjk- You are exactly correct. Forget tanks and bombs and focus on common ground and agreements.
How many tanks does China have?
3.7k according to Wikipedia, not including more obsolete models used for training
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_main_battle_tanks_by_country
Sadly, I wouldn't click a wikipedia link unless I wanted to be lied to. I used to donate to them annually.
all the figures are sourced but i agree there’s a lot of uncertainty here
"A degree" ???
Quite a lot, but they have never seen battle. This is the problem - people, machines, consumables - all of this needs to come together.
Farce indeed.
Beginning with the demented president of the US, who left billions of dollars in military materiel in Afghanistan, and then move on to Denmark's military...
All of it as as sensible as recruiting ITALY to join the fiasco.
(And I write that as a person whose family considers the four basic food groups to be rigatoni, ravioli, prosciutto, cacciatore. )
You left out "vino"!
Right! Necessary for a liquid diet!
I'm not in Italy. My family left there 125 years ago. We're four generations into the US. But my family continues to have an eye-rolling affection for the dysfunctional home of our ancestors.
I do agree, however, that the new president is impressive.
Europe is totally pathetic and fully deserves this. If you have no self respect, no one will respect you.
France has 225 LeClerc main battle tanks. There is no manufacturing in place to make more. 40% of the fleet has been designated for 'training' as they are not operational due to lack of parts.
This would be a mere snack for the Russians.
huge portion of german tank fleet also reportedly doesn’t work. it’s a total joke.
Any military materiel having an ancient microprocessor embedded in its controls is currently or soon-to-be out of service. Permanently, unless a very expensive and time-consuming upgrade program is executed.
Germany and other European countries have been spending their money on important policies like climate change, migrants, and equity.
How can they possibly afford something so frivolous as tanks?
Oh... er... damn... just forget it.
Ukraine is not worth one drop of American blood.
Decades of freeloading on America's willingness to provide for the common defense of the Western democracies turns out to be, shall we say, a little short-sighted. Trump tried to convince our "allies", for their own good, to share more of the burden but, aside from Poland, all he got was empty promises from the other European "powers." Oh, and he also was attacked for "undermining NATO."
Strictly speaking the Netherlands actually doesn't even own the 18 tanks that it could send to Ukraine.
Rather they have leased these tanks from other NATO members through an opaque legal construction that conveniently prevents the Dutch finance ministry from collecting sales taxes on these from the ministry of defense.
So very Dutch, they can always claim they never sent their tanks.
hahaha. what were they thinking if a real war would break out, instead of this farce in Ukraine? Now the whole world knows what a poor thing the EU is. Where is all the money they got? In someone's pockets? Like the millions and millions missing here in the US? And of course this is the government. Who is going to sue them? the judges they have been putting in place themselves?
the most amazing thing to me, is realising how many of these tanks, claimed in the official accounting, are actually inoperable and require millions of euros to even run. no wonder the war had terrified euro leaders do much, they literally have nerf styrofoam armies
sounds like a lego block army. poor Europe. It is like these thousands of masks Belgium had, when they obliged to wear them, then discovered they were all way out of date. No one checks on the readiness of things anymore. I wonder if hospitals work with way out of date medicine and materials.
Apparently the bridges in Ukraine are designed to take a 40 tonne loading associated with Russian tanks. The Leopard tanks are over 60 so these guys might find it hard to move around very freely..if they ever get deployed..