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David Jory's avatar

It's there anything more hateful in the world than a Progressive?

Charlie Kirk was willing to debate with them. Their response was murderous,followed by the celebration of murder.

I am glad to see that ordinary people in far greater numbers are seeing them for what they truly are.

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ChrisC's avatar

The left in the western world is in full collapse. They will lash out harder and more violently as their demise intensifies. Forces of sanity will have to crush them out of existence, because they will never give up.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly.

There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal.

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Rocío Matamoros's avatar

"There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal."

But wouldn't a potent uncaged animal be more dangerous?

Just because a psychotic backed into a corner will "lash out", doesn't mean we have our psychotic European managerial elite backed into a corner.

I notice that this false assumption often appears in a Christian context - "they are already defeated". Yes, from the perspective of eternity, or in God's omniscient view, they are indeed already defeated. But that does not mean they are defeated now, or that they will be in our lifetimes, or in the lifetimes of our grandchildren (if we will ever have any).

The election of Trump has put a few spanners in the works of Globalist managerialism, but it's only a start, not the final victory.

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SCA's avatar

All cults are the same. All fundamentalists are crazy. When people reject the cults they were raised in they often fill that void with an equal and opposite cult.

Bad people are bad. Good people are good. Weak people can be led in any direction. Mentally ill people have a far lower tipping point than normal people do.

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SCA's avatar

Wretched, wretched, wretched people. I am grieving to the marrow of my bones not simply that Charlie was murdered--and murdered in a way that his widow will never be able to unsee--but that we must also see the multitudes--hordes--endless swarms of ordinary people who are so completely, utterly, cavernously, pits of hell empty of the merest human decency in responding to this horror.

We never improve in anything as a species but each of us I think at least knows in our own personal lives enough good people to be grateful for. And of course the good ones not personally known but who hearten us so greatly, like you.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Amen. It had been a decade since I last cried, but the day Kirk was shot, the streak was over with streaks on my face.

Call me a pansy...:)

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SCA's avatar

I call you a man almost entirely of my own heart. But I say "amen" with a proper Yiddish accent.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Cheers!

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CMCM's avatar

SCA, such a good assessment. I almost have no words left to describe the leftist hordes at this point. I have to include my own brother at this point, and he's beyond reason.

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SCA's avatar

I'm extremely grateful that the progressives in my own life are loving decent people who only want the best for the world. But they are 40 years younger than I am (except for my brother who is experiencing unutterable grief that I voted for Trump for the first and only time. Even though I acknowledged that I had whored out my integrity for the sake of the nation),

In other words they are who I was in recallable history.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

I hope you have something better than State TV in Germany, and it’s difficult to believe her tirade was published. Having watched Charlie grow into a leader with a strong desire to reach the younger generations, I came to know him as one of the kindest, friendliest people who used his voice and knowledge to reach young adults. Although there are substackers who still spit in his face. It is being reported from many outlets now that his assassination was planned by an Antifa-Trantifa chapter with the planning on a Discord chat, with testimony of officials watching the crowd- those who ran, and those who remained and celebrated. We did it! There is much more to uncover for the wellbeing of the USA 🇺🇸.

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SCA's avatar

I'd been observing for years that Charlie had matured wonderfully. Few of his viewpoints were mine but he was certainly a once-in-a-generation force and a natural political strategist and he came of age at the necessary moment.

I was cured of left-wing media by the Rittenhouse trial and at least FOX News carried that trial live as did then-Twitter with useful legal commentators/analysts and the only newspaper I read these days is the Daily Mail Online which despite being a hilarious rag most of the time also does provide news as it breaks. I feel myself perfectly competent to evaluate anything I hear, see or read with my brains and antennae fully functioning.

My feeling about Substack is everyone is welcome to set up their own little garden party and some of the most dreadful people help to pay my own rent here so I ain't gonna wish for the locking of the gates against anyone. It was very helpful to me during Our Plague Era to have so much to browse and make my own mind up over. Plenty of Substackers on "our" side were batshit-crazy or just common-species grifters so it's always sensible to use one's own discernment and instincts.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

“And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.”

Orwell.

If they were told ham sandwiches were evil you'd get the same reaction.

The fake news will not go down without a fake fight.

They're just upset because we used to just be the rats in a maze; we were free to go anywhere as long as it was in the maze.

We tore down the walls of The Maze and that's where all the angst is coming from.

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CMCM's avatar

We've also completed pulled back the curtain on them and exposed them to be the despicable frauds, liars and manipulators that they actually are. They have nowhere to hide and pretend any more. Aspects of this are actually fun to watch as so many of them are discombobulated to the max.

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KHP's avatar

Isn't it more likely:

The fake news will not go down without a REAL fight

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KHP's avatar
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Sure, in the long run their (always-was) fake position is unsustainable.

But by "real fight" I mean in the interim.... the real bullets fired at Trump, Kirk, Aaron Danielson and others; the real arson committed by BLM/Antifa, and other real-world violence.

Or your own quote elsewhere here:

"There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal."

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Maybe. But I think they're in a fake fight but don't know it yet because their projection and irony are indistinguishable to them.

They're driving buggys in denial about the Tin Lizzies...they just don't know it yet.

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Decaf's avatar

Fake fight? I love it. But could you spell it out for me please before I bandy it about?

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Tardigrade's avatar

Ah, Dunja Hayali took her own advice to “just shut up for a moment and perhaps not say anything at all.” Of course she would've been wiser to do it before she antagonized the right wing hate mob.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Must we deploy carrier pigeons to get alternative information to the German public? They seem to be sequestered in darkness behind a digital iron curtain!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I betcha a nickel we'll eventually find out the tranny movement and Antifa are a distinction without difference

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Chixbythesea's avatar

I love that you name the logical fallacies. We need to do more of this and demand westerners improve their education levels.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Agree.

Memes work, precisely because hypocrisy is base material for mockery and humor. - force multipliers when combined.

.....and they haven't figured out how to use the weapon because they don't see the irony of their projection.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Also because they don’t have a leg to stand on. How do you make an effective meme when your basis is loony? Like when their “truth” is that a man can be a woman. How do you spin that in a humorous way that everyone can agree on? Only lecturing and finger wagging comes into play. Threats and coercion. Their message is too ridiculous as it is!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Bingo

Its amazing how similar we think.

Although most of this shit is easy because we don't live in a delusional hallucination they call reality.

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CMCM's avatar

Exactly so!

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SCA's avatar

We are so often shown how our betters are endlessly so much worse than we are.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Hey SCA, I asked you a Q two days ago on a diff substack but now I can’t remember what it was. Lol

It was Gato I think.

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SCA's avatar

You asked if you see me here also.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

👍🏿 Actually pretty sure I also wondered if you are in USA.👍🏿

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SCA's avatar

Born bred raised and still American.

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CC's avatar

Yes, there's a form of 'oral diarrhea' or of a 'tourettes' being suffered by The Left in the wake of Mr. Kirk's death; they just can't keep their mouths shut. Seems like they need to vomit their venom forth?

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Chixbythesea's avatar

That but also IMO they’re overcompensating. I find that they know what us socially acceptable and what is not. They know celebrating us not acceptable and they’re trying to apologize without apologizing for the sake of “normal” people.

You’ll see this other times when you logically and indisputably paint them into a corner and then they point fingers and deny responsibility or rest upon tropes like “equity” or “words are violence,” or, “the right made me do it.” I hope I spoke clearly. I was thinking back upon interactions I have had.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

They have to call his speech hateful because he used speech the Left hates.

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Hunterson7's avatar

Hmmmm..."right wing hate squad" is used by people with no defensible position to avoid admitting they have no defensible position.

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Tardigrade's avatar

'partly elaborated from the media mythology that the German press have created around Kirk’s shooting'

Of course it's not just the German press. In talking to my liberal friends here in Utah, they almost all parrot these myths, but when pressed, admit they have never listened to Charlie Kirk themselves. They're just being fed this garbage by their media bubble.

I would hope that the increasing attention being brought to this very point might cause some of them to rethink their attitudes, but that would of course depend on how much of it penetrates their media bubble.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly.

To put it in perspective, liberals were outraged at a model in jeans, but not about a man getting assassinated in cold blood.

Let that sink in.

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Tardigrade's avatar

More perspective (and this is a meme I've seen a lot), liberals were outraged about a blonde model in jeans, but not about a blonde woman being knifed in the neck by a black man.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

I know it's utterly astonishing to me that people can harbor hate that long. I mean goodness, wouldn't that get old?

And you're right, a couple weeks ago everyone saw their daughter, or wife or mother get killed when a beautiful woman seeking refuge in the US was senselessly killed by a career thug.

Last week I felt like our country "died"...and a small piece of all of us died.

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Tardigrade's avatar

My liberal friend who said "No great loss, he was a gun nut", actually volunteered to me a couple of days later that she had rethought what she said and regretted it—ironically enough, after reading what Ezra Klein had to say about it.

So not everybody is a total write-off :)

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ZuZu’s Petals's avatar

How low can they go? You cannot begin to imagine.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

What they haven't realized yet is they killed the nice guy.

I wonder what's going to happen if they start going after those unwilling to turn the other cheek?

They are playing with fire.

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ZuZu’s Petals's avatar

And they deserve to burn.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yeah. They light up cities. We light candles at vigils.

We even pick up our trash after rallies...

We are NOT the same, and we should not abide their claims of "there are two sides".

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Pål-Henrik Hagen's avatar

This is mostly verbatim the reaction of the norwegian media as well, including the state media network NRK, who labeled Kirk a "far-right activist" in news stories about the killing. Everything from straight news articles to op-eds have included variations of allegations that Kirk was a fascist, racist, homo- transphobic, woman-hating extremist who loves guns and celebrated violence.

All the same misquotations and slander have been repeated in Norway. Completely unhinged, while all along qualifying with the non-sensical assertion that even this Hitler-to-be did not deserve to die. But of course no one needs to mourn. And while these political judgements were placed with absolute certainty, there is much confusion and pause about what the mysterious motives of the killer might be.

This coordinated and identical attack by european media raises the question of some strange conspiracy, but I suspect they are all just copying the same dunces in the NYT and WaPo etc, without the slightest fact check. But still it is like the hysterical reaction of a fundamentalist religious state seeing an enemy of the faith get murdered.

I asked grok about just this, how the iranian press reacted to the Charlie Hebdo murders, and this was its response:

"The predominant interpretation in Iranian media was that while the attack was unequivocally condemned as an act of terrorism and violence contrary to Islamic principles, it was ultimately provoked by Charlie Hebdo's repeated publication of insulting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which were seen as deliberate Islamophobia and a Western assault on Muslim sensitivities. This view was echoed across conservative outlets (e.g., Kayhan and state TV IRIB) and even some reformist ones, framing the magazine as "provocative" and the event as a consequence of "breeds extremism." Officials like President Hassan Rouhani denounced violence in religion's name but warned against "insulting" faiths, while clerics such as Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami called the killings wrong yet blamed the cartoons for escalating tensions."

We are in Europe dealing with the same level of zealotry and religious madness, perhaps worse.

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eugyppius's avatar

American coverage is generally far more measured than that in Germany and what you describe in Norway. I don't know how this precise set of identical talking points are propagating themselves across our entire media, but it's weird and not something I would've expected.

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Tardigrade's avatar

'I don't know how this precise set of identical talking points are propagating themselves across our entire media'

Covid all over again. There's a network, obviously, formalized or not. It could be as simple as all of them swimming in the same water.

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Pål-Henrik Hagen's avatar

That's true. But the origin seems to be the same for all. Perhaps some more radical US outlets or social media accounts are the source. And these talking points were delivered almost instantly, the general outline within a few hours, then fleshed out over the next day. E.g. this line about stoning gays.

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eugyppius's avatar

yes, the whole narrative was set from the morning of 11 September.

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Tardigrade's avatar

This is probably at least one factor: https://substack.com/@tardigrade1/note/c-156621719

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Pål-Henrik Hagen's avatar

Interesting. I saw the same podcast but didn't make the connection to the coordinated response of european media. (Have seen tweets suggesting dutch and belgian media have same messaging). Of course this also opens the possibility that these talentless hacks have just copied all of it from AI. How or if AIs like gpt or grok can be "gamed" to make a certain biased output is beyond me - and seems unlikely to happen so quickly after the event - but they're already quite leftist in output anyway.

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Tardigrade's avatar

That's the point of flooding the zone with targeted viewpoints, to influence (corrupt? pollute?) the LLMs/AIs that draw on the Internet and social media for their responses.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Nailed it. Succinctly.

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CMCM's avatar

It looks like U.S. Media, and that of all other EU countries all spew out coordinated talking points.

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Decaf's avatar

The same phrases were everywhere on local news during the corona. Here 90% of news outlets are owned by 6 companies. It might be the same in Europe?

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Matthew's avatar

I don't have the the link, but NPR morning after the shooting was host asking the correspondent: "Can you explain how a normal healthy kid (i.e., Kirk) went down this dark path into alt right extremism" like he was a mental patient that had jumped off a bridge.

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Suzie's avatar

When that very question should have been asked in reference to the shooter and his “alt left extremism” to the point of cold blooded murder!

The media are the exact inverse of rationality.

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Matthew's avatar

Yes exactly. I don't know if they were aware of the irony.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

This was to be expected. Worse than MSNBC. There needs to be more effort to publicly call out the “fake noose” and well the fact that SPD is linked at the hip with Antifa. Americans and many Germans do not appear to have much realization of how very misleading the majority of German media actually is. How it is 💯 controlled and takes orders from globalist overlords.

On this note, ya’ll might like a YT Chanel called “Red Pill Germany” and “Survival Lily”

Please check them out. 💕

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Riri's avatar
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Yes, I also wanted to recommend Red Pill Germany. Here he talks about the same topic as Eugy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL1d7rxTEs0

I'll check out Survival Lily as well

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Chixbythesea's avatar

She’s in Austria, Germany’s little brother, which of course tends to follow right along 90%.

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Upstream's avatar

I checked out the red pill link, clicked thru a few episodes. Seems a cessool of blamin' it on the jooos. Think I'll give the Lily one a miss, too.

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Riri's avatar

The comments are unfortunately full of jew haters. It's unfortunate that alot of right wing commentators attract these sorts

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CMCM's avatar
22mEdited

Excellent video! I found it particularly interesting how he placed the origin of Antifa in Germany and suggested there is still contact/influence/coordination with Antifa in the U.S. and Antifa Germany.

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les's avatar

I never realised how much I could hate the MSM. They are despicable liars who wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face. They hate the truth - it is an anathema to them because it shows how much they despise their fellow citizens.

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Bizarro Man's avatar

Leftists these days don't just hate the truth; they hate the very concept of truth. Here in the US many people who have gone to university have been instructed by those treacherous institutions that absolute truth does not exist, that it is an idea developed to serve the interests of "the patriarchy." Leftists embrace the notion wholeheartedly.

When I was young I had a roommate who had been indoctrinated in that belief. One day at breakfast he ridiculed my "naive" statement that truth was absolute. I reached over and took something off his plate and ate it. He was incensed, but I denied I had done anything. "That's your truth," I said. "It isn't mine."

Of course, it didn't convince him in the least, but he avoided the subject thereafter.

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Rocío Matamoros's avatar

Yes, it would make a good debate:

Leftist - Absolute truth does not exist.

Sane person - Is what you've just said an absolute truth?

Leftist - What's that you say, fascist?

Sane person - Well, if what you said is absolutely true, then there is one absolute truth, and so you contradict yourself. On the other hand, if it isn't absolutely true, then there can be cases of absolute truth, so again, you're wrong.

Leftist - [aims] Bella ciao! Take that, fascist!

Sane person - [dies in a pool of blood]

Legacy media - While we should not celebrate the death of this sane person, we must ask: what made him become such a violent raving racist transphobic white-supremacist alt-right fascist? He created the environment of hate that killed him.

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FCinNH's avatar

Clearly none of these people ever listened to, or watched, or read ANYTHING Charlie Kirk ever said. They just took second- or third-hand lies and regurgitated them. And these people have the gall to claim they are "reporting" the truth. What disgusting, mendacious, vile, lackwits these people are.

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Tardigrade's avatar

My presumption is that the media people are mostly lying on purpose, being perfectly able to discover the facts for themselves if they so desired. The trouble is the plebs who absorb what they're being fed, and believe it wholeheartedly.

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CC's avatar

Perhaps Elmar Theveßen and his lot just don't understand - read or speak - English very well? I mean, how could they be so stupid? But we know this is perhaps not the case at all - they are leftist ideologues and their prejudice is how they roll....

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CMCM's avatar

They look to others in their tribe to tell them what to think and say.

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Tardigrade's avatar

On the America This Week podcast yesterday, Walter Kirn told Matt Taibbi something interesting. From the auto transcript (lightly edited):

"We are seeing I believe, and I my reporting substantiates, and my reporting includes people who are in the industry and have been for a long time—we are seeing the automated and deliberate and high paid convergence of a lot of commercial interests, political interests, and technological possibilities in the exploitation of this death for the purposes of making money.

"Serving clients who come wanting a certain point of view blasted into the public space and with the purpose of reifying itself on the LLMs or AIs. A definite endeavor was made to overwhelm Grok, for example, with comments and points of view and confusing information and it was successful to a large extent. Musk has already noted that he sees a lot of bullshit on Grok and he's going to address it.

"We're seeing a cyber war on top of a real incident and the emotion around it is inflected by the personal relationships that a lot of our leadership had with [Kirk] and by a sense of fear, because let's put one thing into the mix that I don't think we properly esteemed. There are a lot of people who are about to give speeches or are scheduled to go to colleges or various events, public events already on the books who are scared..."

13:10 to 15:15 at https://youtu.be/exM16ksX_vI

He goes on in more detail about how influencers are paid, etc. Cynical Me believes this is completely plausible.

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Henrybowman's avatar

"Musk has already noted that he sees a lot of bullshit on Grok and he's going to address it."

Just a few days ago, Grok directly slandered Musk to me, in response to a search for examples of CEOs who were hired and set up by crooked underlings to beard their frauds. When I countered by correcting three of its claims and dinged it for disloyalty to its owner, it sheepishly admitted that I was entirely right, that its facts were wrong, and "my goal is always truthful, helpful responses without bias." 🤡

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Stephen Heins's avatar

The Deafening Silence of Ivory Tower Gatekeepers: Where Are the American Deans Now?

By Stephen Heins, The Word Merchant

As I sit here, still reeling from the gut-wrenching news of Charlie Kirk’s assassination on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, one question burns hotter than the Utah sun: How can the deans of America’s universities—those self-proclaimed guardians of intellectual freedom—remain so utterly, insultingly silent? Charlie wasn’t just a Christian conservative but a relentless champion of open debate on campuses that have increasingly become echo chambers of ideological conformity.

He dragged uncomfortable truths into the light, forcing students and faculty alike to confront and discuss ideas they might otherwise dismiss from the safety of their prejudices . And now, gunned down mid-sentence during his “Prove Me Wrong” tour—an event literally built on inviting challenge—Kirk’s blood stains the very ground where free speech should be sacrosanct. Yet from the marbled halls of Harvard to the sun-baked quads of UCLA, the deans are nowhere to be found. Their collective hush is not just deafening; it’s damning.

Let me be clear: While I’m not naive about American politics, I never really saw behind much of right wing catcalls from the major media about Kirk . However, thanks to the many tributes about him after his assassination, I learned more about his campaign to bring open debate and discussions of conservatism and Christianity to campuses and the youth of America.

After Kirk’s death, there were a smattering of statements trickling out major media, mainly from the epicenter of the tragedy. Utah Valley University’s President Astrid S. Tuminez issued a boilerplate message of “shock and sadness,” urging “peace and resilience.” High Point University’s president followed suit with a vague nod to the horror. Southeastern University’s Dr. Kent Ingle even praised Kirk’s push for “civil political debate.” And St. Bonaventure’s Dr. Jeff Gingerich called for “unity” in the face of “senseless violence.”

These are crumbs, not convictions. Where’s the outrage from the Ivy League? Where’s Yale’s dean decrying the assassination of a man who exposed campus antisemitism and encouraged open debates? Where’s Berkeley’s administration rallying against the chilling effect this murder will have on conservative voices daring to show up?

Even at the University of Chicago, where President Paul Alivisatos rakes in over $2 million a year, there’s radio silence on a faculty member who celebrated Kirk’s death, while the president himself spews unrelated vitriol. Boston University’s students are left begging for a response via an open letter because their president can’t be bothered.

This isn’t oversight; it’s omission by design. Kirk built Turning Point USA into a youthful movement precisely because universities had become fortresses of the left, where speakers like Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson need armed escorts to utter a dissenting word, if they are allowed to speak at all. In response, Kirk sued schools for censoring conservative events, won landmark cases affirming First Amendment rights, and turned apathetic Gen Z kids into debaters who could hold their own against tenured radicals.

Remember the 2019 UCLA riot over a TPUSA chapter? Or the deplatforming attempts at Ohio State? Kirk was there, microphone in hand, saying, “Prove me wrong.” He embodied the messy, vital clash of ideas that John Stuart Mill called the lifeblood of truth. And for that, he was assassinated by a 22-year-old ideologue, possibly tied to transnational gangs, in a hit that reeks of the political violence we’ve seen from Trump attempts to the UnitedHealthcare CEO slaying.

So where are the righteous American deans right now? I suspect that they are hiding behind diversity statements and grant proposals. Afraid that condemning this murder—framed by some as “justice” for Kirk’s “fascism”—might alienate their progressive donors and professors and trigger a Twitter storm from the faculty lounge. Or worse, admitting that the toxic rhetoric they’ve tolerated (if not amplified) on campuses—from calls to “punch Nazis” to glorifying “resistance” against conservatives—has real-world consequences.

An associate dean at Middle Tennessee State University got fired for a post that “celebrated” the killing, but that’s reactive damage control, not proactive leadership. The Chronicle of Higher Education calls Kirk’s death a “catastrophe for higher ed,” warning it could further erode trust in universities already hemorrhaging enrollment from families tired of indoctrination over education. Yet the deans? Crickets.

From my vantage point—as someone who’s watched energy friends shouted down at guest lectures, seen the closed political debate skewed to one worldview of fascism, and cheered Kirk’s unapologetic pushback—this silence betrays everything universities claim to stand for. You’re not just failing Charlie; you’re failing the students who deserve forums where ideas duke it out, not safe spaces where discomfort is a hate crime.

While President Trump nailed it: This was a “heinous assassination”: He blew a chance to adopt a diplomatic tone and speak for all Americans. On the other hand, Utah Governor Cox echoes the call for unity against political violence. Even global leaders like the UK’s Keir Starmer have condemned it. But America’s academic elite? They’re treating this like yesterday’s op-ed.

American Deans, step up if you’re reading this (and you should be—your PR teams are probably fact-checking me as we speak). Issue those Freedom of Speech statements not as perfunctory press releases, but as thunderous defenses of the open debate Kirk died defending. Host the vigils, the panel discussions, the unedited forums.

Prove your ivory towers aren’t just gated communities for groupthink. Charlie’s gone, but his fight isn’t. Honor it, or admit you’re part of the problem. The eyes of a grieving American nation—and a generation of students—are on you. Speak now, or forever hold your complicity.

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Henrybowman's avatar

Take comfort that there are Americans who realize that not all Germans are shitlibs like their political, media, and social stars. Though it's unclear to what beneficial purpose we can put such knowledge right now other than to, say, subscribe to eugy's substack, and that's about it.

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Tardigrade's avatar

I'm willing to bet eugyppius, as well as at least half the people in Europe, are getting heartily sick of the knee-jerk phrase "extreme right-wing" and its variants.

I know I am.

It's like repeating the word "onion" over and over. Eventually it loses all meaning.

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ZuZu’s Petals's avatar

The term “far right” has been so overused that it’s become meaningless and the slur just goes over most people’s heads.

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