The left in the western world is in full collapse. They will lash out harder and more violently as their demise intensifies. Forces of sanity will have to crush them out of existence, because they will never give up.
"There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal."
But wouldn't a potent uncaged animal be more dangerous?
Just because a psychotic backed into a corner will "lash out", doesn't mean we have our psychotic European managerial elite backed into a corner.
I notice that this false assumption often appears in a Christian context - "they are already defeated". Yes, from the perspective of eternity, or in God's omniscient view, they are indeed already defeated. But that does not mean they are defeated now, or that they will be in our lifetimes, or in the lifetimes of our grandchildren (if we will ever have any).
The election of Trump has put a few spanners in the works of Globalist managerialism, but it's only a start, not the final victory.
You're welcome. I didn't want to pick on Ryan Gardner in particular, but I'd seen this sentiment expressed too many times. The simile is tendentious, and starts to take over. Even the verb "lash out" is loaded, implying an impulsive and desperate action, rather than a premeditated and calculating action. When the managerial elite's actions are clumsy, it is not so much because they are cornered, but largely because they are incompetent and ideologically blinkered.
By contrast, please allow me to vent about my pet peeve of the reader comment boards at "The Wall Street Journal," which are supposedly moderated for quality.
More and more they read like the rantings of lunatics and/or fourth graders, full of non sequiturs, baseless conspiracy theories, and ad hominem attacks.
References to things like the burning of the Reichstag are de rigeur, and a minute doesn't go by without definitive declarations that "American democracy is dead."
Most of the comments aren't even economically or financially literate; for example, I always wonder why these hysterical people are willing to put up with literally dozens of government taxes, fees, tolls, etc. that take money out of their pocket and distort markets, yet somehow decry tariffs as being Sui generis and a bridge too far.
It's nuts.
Reading the comments is as stomach-turning as watching a solid horror film.
And yours, and the comments of so many others here at "Eugyppius," I think make this far and away the highest-quality reader comment board on the Internets.
All cults are the same. All fundamentalists are crazy. When people reject the cults they were raised in they often fill that void with an equal and opposite cult.
Bad people are bad. Good people are good. Weak people can be led in any direction. Mentally ill people have a far lower tipping point than normal people do.
Hmm. That we common sense people should speak up more is certain. That we must oppose most of this Woke Progressive rhetoric is certainly true.
Also, society needs a great number of people on the left to get a grip and not talk about violence or celebrate it — that too is true.
The left should learn to tell the truth much more. It seems that often, eg, as eugyppius, as pointed out, one can only conclude that the left purposefully lies. (One can also repeat a lie, not knowing it is untrue.)
So, we also should try to be more truthful.
Let us also not group all Progressives together. I think we will find that a large number of them find or will find this celebration of violence (eg, in regard to Charlie Kirk) as unacceptable. And many will leave that movement, or rethink their “ideology.” So, let us try to be more specific and only call out that (pretty big) group who promote and celebrate violence.
Yes, there is another group of Woke-Progressives and even Democrats who do not call out and push back against the bad rhetoric we are talking about on their side. They remain silent in the face of very bad behavior. Behavior that contributes to murder.
In this regard, one really good thing is that eugyppius gives specific examples by specific people.
There are people on the left who have done bad things, and some of them (many?) can be redeemed. We can get some of them to repent and come to the other side.
Also, we too, in our anger, should watch and be careful not to make mistakes.
My prayer is: peace on earth, goodwill toward all men. That realistically is too ambitious. Let us, though, see what each of us can do.
I do think the utter just stupidity of this murder is bringing many people to attention, and people will in general step back from violence and violent talk. Or so I hope. We can encourage more of this.
Wretched, wretched, wretched people. I am grieving to the marrow of my bones not simply that Charlie was murdered--and murdered in a way that his widow will never be able to unsee--but that we must also see the multitudes--hordes--endless swarms of ordinary people who are so completely, utterly, cavernously, pits of hell empty of the merest human decency in responding to this horror.
We never improve in anything as a species but each of us I think at least knows in our own personal lives enough good people to be grateful for. And of course the good ones not personally known but who hearten us so greatly, like you.
I hope you have something better than State TV in Germany, and it’s difficult to believe her tirade was published. Having watched Charlie grow into a leader with a strong desire to reach the younger generations, I came to know him as one of the kindest, friendliest people who used his voice and knowledge to reach young adults. Although there are substackers who still spit in his face. It is being reported from many outlets now that his assassination was planned by an Antifa-Trantifa chapter with the planning on a Discord chat, with testimony of officials watching the crowd- those who ran, and those who remained and celebrated. We did it! There is much more to uncover for the wellbeing of the USA 🇺🇸.
I'd been observing for years that Charlie had matured wonderfully. Few of his viewpoints were mine but he was certainly a once-in-a-generation force and a natural political strategist and he came of age at the necessary moment.
I was cured of left-wing media by the Rittenhouse trial and at least FOX News carried that trial live as did then-Twitter with useful legal commentators/analysts and the only newspaper I read these days is the Daily Mail Online which despite being a hilarious rag most of the time also does provide news as it breaks. I feel myself perfectly competent to evaluate anything I hear, see or read with my brains and antennae fully functioning.
My feeling about Substack is everyone is welcome to set up their own little garden party and some of the most dreadful people help to pay my own rent here so I ain't gonna wish for the locking of the gates against anyone. It was very helpful to me during Our Plague Era to have so much to browse and make my own mind up over. Plenty of Substackers on "our" side were batshit-crazy or just common-species grifters so it's always sensible to use one's own discernment and instincts.
The 'leader' of the group has gotten grants from the UN, as well as NGO's and other government grants. Tell me again, why is this person being considered for elevation to international politics? Why are we funding a group set up to violently defend trans/queer ideology?
We have free speech and free expression guaranteed in USA. The difference being violent, harmful action is not allowed. Thoughts and speech is fine. Criminal activity not so much.
As an aside, I think we we need to drop the term “hate speech” which was invented by the left and has nebulous meaning at best. Find more precise language.
The term “hate speech” can be defined by whomever is in change. In Germany, criticizing a minister is defined as “hate speech” and can land you in jail.
In the USA, speaking with hate is not a crime, because it has no definition. Our First Amendment does not allow speech that expresses imminent violence.
Charlie, if you are interested in the major cases… Same subject as your post. Robert Guveau covers them daily. The Law is fascinating to me and it really cuts through the clutter to learn what’s what.
SCA, such a good assessment. I almost have no words left to describe the leftist hordes at this point. I have to include my own brother at this point, and he's beyond reason.
I'm extremely grateful that the progressives in my own life are loving decent people who only want the best for the world. But they are 40 years younger than I am (except for my brother who is experiencing unutterable grief that I voted for Trump for the first and only time. Even though I acknowledged that I had whored out my integrity for the sake of the nation),
In other words they are who I was in recallable history.
I'm also quite surprised at the crowds gathering outside the USA for vigils and rallies for Charlie. I had no idea he had that kind of reach to people, especially since his comments are largely geared toward USA politics.
Normal healthy young people who came of age during the vicious governmental lunacies of Our Plague Era and who have seen the results of decades of deliberate leftist destruction of their heritages and traditions will naturally be shocked at the assassination of a decent, principled unbigoted man of faith stolen from his family so brutally.
True enough. Europe seems to be well to the left of many of us in America. What they consider "right wing" would be centerish here, so on one hand I'm not surprised that Kirk is labeled a "far right" guy. Ultimately I think they all want people to go along with their unprincipled bigoted behavior because it helps them justify the decision(s) they made. Kirk's death may have finally managed to red pill a large number of people as to how crazy the left has become lately..
"Right/Far Right" are the magic imprecations according to all of our genius political leaders that will make their people recoil in shock and horror and not actually do their own various researches as at least some of the kids have the taste to do.
But we ought to remember that propaganda is the foundation of all religions and not some awful invention of purportedly modern times.
Charlie spoke to large crowds of the younger generation at colleges and high schools. He drew big crowds because he wanted people to ask him questions and debate him. He was a Christian and some had questioned him about that. He always had a smile and treated people with respect. He also had a 2 hour daily podcast. Every one liked him, Or so we thought…
Blame the media for successfully brainwashing a substantial percentage of the population. Whenever I confront one of these groupthinkers with "he never said that" to this or that quote falsely attributed to Trump, Kirk, or whoever, I get a blithe "yes he did" in return. I'm rarely allowed any space to put anything they said in context. They simply can't stand any truths piercing their little bubbles of conceit.
They can usually just Google it find a plethora of edited clips, plus links to "fact check" sites that "debunk" "conspiracy theories" which accuse the major networks of relying on out-of-context quotes. This is particularly frustrating because then I sound like a lunatic when I try to explain that Google's algorithms are altered to support state-sponsored messaging. I then have to hunt for an un-edited clip, at which point I'm attacked for "always having to be right".
Give Charlie Kirk credit for having the patience to argue with these people, and for sponsoring a forum where they can't weasle out of facing the truth.
Fear. Fear of standing alone or being descended upon by peers, family, or friends. Only 10-15% of the population worldwide are willing to risk standing by they’re out of the box thinking.
I've been doing it since I was 15 years old despite often reeking of fear-sweat and with my stomach clenching and I know what it's like to get fired for not complying so I have sympathy only for those in a terrible financial vise.
I come from a family (as does my hubby) of doubters and the fiercely independent. It can make life difficult on a day to day basis but there are also opportunities presented due to unique POV.
The attempt of the entire left establishment to lynch Kyle Rittenhouse was my Rubicon moment. Turned me into a Boomer FOX News watcher with a vengeance.
We can reminise another time as to when we first noticed the complicity and duplicity of the media. We are where we are now and at least we can see it for what it is.
We've also completed pulled back the curtain on them and exposed them to be the despicable frauds, liars and manipulators that they actually are. They have nowhere to hide and pretend any more. Aspects of this are actually fun to watch as so many of them are discombobulated to the max.
Sure, in the long run their (always-was) fake position is unsustainable.
But by "real fight" I mean in the interim.... the real bullets fired at Trump, Kirk, Aaron Danielson and others; the real arson committed by BLM/Antifa, and other real-world violence.
Or your own quote elsewhere here:
"There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal."
Thanks. Yes, I heard that this week. That does make it a fake fight. Even at this point I can't believe they want us dead, but we're seeing some do. It's evil.
I was just thinking earlier that everything we believe was what we all believed just a few years ago. It's incredible how this gulf has materialized.
Ah, Dunja Hayali took her own advice to “just shut up for a moment and perhaps not say anything at all.” Of course she would've been wiser to do it before she antagonized the right wing hate mob.
Must we deploy carrier pigeons to get alternative information to the German public? They seem to be sequestered in darkness behind a digital iron curtain!
Also because they don’t have a leg to stand on. How do you make an effective meme when your basis is loony? Like when their “truth” is that a man can be a woman. How do you spin that in a humorous way that everyone can agree on? Only lecturing and finger wagging comes into play. Threats and coercion. Their message is too ridiculous as it is!
I won't take that bet. But I'll put another one on the table: I'll bet 10 cents that Antifa, trans movements, the deep state, and the legacy media are all linked. I can only speculate on who is running them, and what are their ultimate goals. But one thing I'm sure of is that anyone or anything they're against must be good.
Yes, there's a form of 'oral diarrhea' or of a 'tourettes' being suffered by The Left in the wake of Mr. Kirk's death; they just can't keep their mouths shut. Seems like they need to vomit their venom forth?
That but also IMO they’re overcompensating. I find that they know what is socially acceptable and what is not. They know celebrating this is not acceptable and they’re trying to apologize without apologizing for the sake of “normal” people.
You’ll see this other times when you logically and indisputably paint them into a corner and then they point fingers of blame elsewhere and deny responsibility or rest upon tropes like “equity” or “words are violence,” or, “the right made me do it.” I hope I spoke clearly. I was thinking back upon interactions I have had.
Two of the defining characteristics of the left are overreach and garrulousness. In concert with the false consensus effect, it leads to them spewing damning public confessions without a second thought. Witness the recent victims of Sudden Unemployment Syndrome here in the USA, who never gave a second thought to spouting their bile in what they mistakenly assumed were safe bubbles.
'partly elaborated from the media mythology that the German press have created around Kirk’s shooting'
Of course it's not just the German press. In talking to my liberal friends here in Utah, they almost all parrot these myths, but when pressed, admit they have never listened to Charlie Kirk themselves. They're just being fed this garbage by their media bubble.
I would hope that the increasing attention being brought to this very point might cause some of them to rethink their attitudes, but that would of course depend on how much of it penetrates their media bubble.
More perspective (and this is a meme I've seen a lot), liberals were outraged about a blonde model in jeans, but not about a blonde woman being knifed in the neck by a black man.
I know it's utterly astonishing to me that people can harbor hate that long. I mean goodness, wouldn't that get old?
And you're right, a couple weeks ago everyone saw their daughter, or wife or mother get killed when a beautiful woman seeking refuge in the US was senselessly killed by a career thug.
Last week I felt like our country "died"...and a small piece of all of us died.
My liberal friend who said "No great loss, he was a gun nut", actually volunteered to me a couple of days later that she had rethought what she said and regretted it—ironically enough, after reading what Ezra Klein had to say about it.
I suspect that some portion of this sort of "re-evaluation" could well be motivated by seeing dozens of people publicly fired for such sentiments over the past few days...
"Oh dear -- perhaps this is no longer the safe, popular public reaction."
This is mostly verbatim the reaction of the norwegian media as well, including the state media network NRK, who labeled Kirk a "far-right activist" in news stories about the killing. Everything from straight news articles to op-eds have included variations of allegations that Kirk was a fascist, racist, homo- transphobic, woman-hating extremist who loves guns and celebrated violence.
All the same misquotations and slander have been repeated in Norway. Completely unhinged, while all along qualifying with the non-sensical assertion that even this Hitler-to-be did not deserve to die. But of course no one needs to mourn. And while these political judgements were placed with absolute certainty, there is much confusion and pause about what the mysterious motives of the killer might be.
This coordinated and identical attack by european media raises the question of some strange conspiracy, but I suspect they are all just copying the same dunces in the NYT and WaPo etc, without the slightest fact check. But still it is like the hysterical reaction of a fundamentalist religious state seeing an enemy of the faith get murdered.
I asked grok about just this, how the iranian press reacted to the Charlie Hebdo murders, and this was its response:
"The predominant interpretation in Iranian media was that while the attack was unequivocally condemned as an act of terrorism and violence contrary to Islamic principles, it was ultimately provoked by Charlie Hebdo's repeated publication of insulting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which were seen as deliberate Islamophobia and a Western assault on Muslim sensitivities. This view was echoed across conservative outlets (e.g., Kayhan and state TV IRIB) and even some reformist ones, framing the magazine as "provocative" and the event as a consequence of "breeds extremism." Officials like President Hassan Rouhani denounced violence in religion's name but warned against "insulting" faiths, while clerics such as Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami called the killings wrong yet blamed the cartoons for escalating tensions."
We are in Europe dealing with the same level of zealotry and religious madness, perhaps worse.
American coverage is generally far more measured than that in Germany and what you describe in Norway. I don't know how this precise set of identical talking points are propagating themselves across our entire media, but it's weird and not something I would've expected.
That's true. But the origin seems to be the same for all. Perhaps some more radical US outlets or social media accounts are the source. And these talking points were delivered almost instantly, the general outline within a few hours, then fleshed out over the next day. E.g. this line about stoning gays.
Interesting. I saw the same podcast but didn't make the connection to the coordinated response of european media. (Have seen tweets suggesting dutch and belgian media have same messaging). Of course this also opens the possibility that these talentless hacks have just copied all of it from AI. How or if AIs like gpt or grok can be "gamed" to make a certain biased output is beyond me - and seems unlikely to happen so quickly after the event - but they're already quite leftist in output anyway.
That's the point of flooding the zone with targeted viewpoints, to influence (corrupt? pollute?) the LLMs/AIs that draw on the Internet and social media for their responses.
"How or if AIs like gpt or grok can be "gamed" to make a certain biased output is beyond me"
I was unnerved this week by another interaction with Grok. After other AIs entirely failed to handle my request to identify a comic movie scene about a medieval peasant, Grok hammered it first time out as being from Discworld's Wyrd Sisters. Noting that no URL was offered (unusual), I asked for one. It replied that it didn't need one, as the entire text of the fantasy was part of its initial information bank.
Why was the leader of the armed band of trannys the shooter belonged to being given money by the UN and being groomed as an international figure?
I'm not sure she was directly involved in ordering a hit, but I'm pretty sure she was telling the membership that the right was out to get them and they would need to defend themselves violently, which likely led to this.
But, there are obviously international ties to this propaganda and incitement system.
I don't have the the link, but NPR morning after the shooting was host asking the correspondent: "Can you explain how a normal healthy kid (i.e., Kirk) went down this dark path into alt right extremism" like he was a mental patient that had jumped off a bridge.
Of course, the morning after the shooting, nobody really knew for sure what the killer's politics were, other than the leftist media getting way out over their skis and insisting that he was a right-winger too because his parents were. It's almost as if no socialist journalist had ever had a kid... or been one.
This was to be expected. Worse than MSNBC. There needs to be more effort to publicly call out the “fake noose” and well the fact that SPD is linked at the hip with Antifa. Americans and many Germans do not appear to have much realization of how very misleading the majority of German media actually is. How it is 💯 controlled and takes orders from globalist overlords.
On this note, ya’ll might like a YT Chanel called “Red Pill Germany” and “Survival Lily”
If you find them unfortunate, then don't you be the one endorsing the red pill guy. He was just explaining how Israel gained pedophilia blackmail on a thousand-plus "world leaders" by running the Epstein op, and thus did the jooos gain control of the world. No, really. It's confusing because I thought they already controlled it through the Rothchilds. Which made sense because a nice Catholic paralegal, whom I often used to read for her research on the PREP Act, one day informed us all that Zionists were part of Satan's army.
So I'll just meditate another minute on why eugyppius specifically "liked" your endorsement of the red pill guy, and then I'll back away from this corridor of Substack
What are you on about? Seems like you are another one of these outrage archaeologists who needs to dig through a person's history to find something to be outraged about. As far as I remember, he didn't mention the jews in that video, so calm your tits. And don't mediate too much. It might send you over the edge.
Excellent video! I found it particularly interesting how he placed the origin of Antifa in Germany and suggested there is still contact/influence/coordination with Antifa in the U.S. and Antifa Germany.
I'm willing to bet eugyppius, as well as at least half the people in Europe, are getting heartily sick of the knee-jerk phrase "extreme right-wing" and its variants.
I know I am.
It's like repeating the word "onion" over and over. Eventually it loses all meaning.
Good grief. The German press is more despicable and sickening than the American press, if that's even possible. I've watched Charlie Kirk since he first appeared on the scene in about 2012. I've listened to many interviews, and have watched with great enjoyment what is probably hours and hours of his campus interchanges. He is none of the things the radical far leftists accuse him of. One thing so many on the left hated about him was his unabashed Christianity. He quoted it when it seemed appropriate or useful, but he certainly didn't push it on anyone. As your own article reveals so well, they just outright make up lies and also cherry pick snippets of video without any broader context. After seeing this lying by omission of context so much I can no longer attribute this to journalistic sloppiness. It is deliberate and they know exactly what they are doing when they say these lies about Charlie.
From that article she spewed this vitriolic paragraph that she just made up:
"He “debated” untrained liberal undergraduates with cameras rolling – that it reads as willfully naive, if not outright dishonest. Charlie Kirk’s “debates” were aggressive, unequal, trolling affairs, in which he sought to provoke his interlocutors to distress, shouted them down and belittled them, spewed hateful rhetoric about queer and trans people, women, Black people, immigrants and Muslims, and selectively edited the ensuing footage to create maximally viral content in which his fans could witness him humiliating the liberals and leftists they perceived to be their enemies. This was not “debate”; it was not reasoned, good-faith discourse; it was not the kind of fair deliberation that democracy relies on. It was a mockery of those things."
Well, Moira Donegan, I have probably observed Charlie Kirk in action a hundred times longer than you have, and I never saw any of those things you are screeching about. Not once. Had he behaved like that, neither I nor any of his other admirers would have listened to him. So Moira Donegan lies as a profession. And she is obviously a hysterical far leftist who is out of control emotionally but who unfortunately has a widely read platform to influence from. What she wrote will be quoted by other lazy writers now, and they will of course repeat it all as truth, just as Donegan has done.
What Charlie Kirk did and what idiots like Moira Donegan and those other fools mentioned in your article are too ignorant to know, is that Charlie Kirk debated using the Socratic Method. The left doesn't understand how to debate, and they for some reason see it as threatening. They no longer believe having facts to support your assertions is required or necessary. They operate on the ad hominem method of one-sided debate. And then they want you to shut up when they're done.
Another thought: There are always ultra-right-wing people, but they never reference ultra-left-wing people. I heard someone say the lefties believe they represent the center and most people think like they do. Sigh. I'm so tired of all this.
I never realised how much I could hate the MSM. They are despicable liars who wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face. They hate the truth - it is an anathema to them because it shows how much they despise their fellow citizens.
Leftists these days don't just hate the truth; they hate the very concept of truth. Here in the US many people who have gone to university have been instructed by those treacherous institutions that absolute truth does not exist, that it is an idea developed to serve the interests of "the patriarchy." Leftists embrace the notion wholeheartedly.
When I was young I had a roommate who had been indoctrinated in that belief. One day at breakfast he ridiculed my "naive" statement that truth was absolute. I reached over and took something off his plate and ate it. He was incensed, but I denied I had done anything. "That's your truth," I said. "It isn't mine."
Of course, it didn't convince him in the least, but he avoided the subject thereafter.
Sane person - Is what you've just said an absolute truth?
Leftist - What's that you say, fascist?
Sane person - Well, if what you said is absolutely true, then there is one absolute truth, and so you contradict yourself. On the other hand, if it isn't absolutely true, then there can be cases of absolute truth, so again, you're wrong.
Leftist - [aims] Bella ciao! Take that, fascist!
Sane person - [dies in a pool of blood]
Legacy media - While we should not celebrate the death of this sane person, we must ask: what made him become such a violent raving racist transphobic white-supremacist alt-right fascist? He created the environment of hate that killed him.
I remember a similar lesson I once witnessed. I was at a party in the Bay Area many years ago and a couple of slightly drunk guys got into it. It seems that they were arguing about words or similar being able to count as 'violence'. Finally, the guy arguing against 'abstract concept as literal violence' had enough, yelled, "I'll show you violence", picked up a plastic lawn chair and literally shattered it on the patio. Then he pointed to the chair and said "There! That is Violence," turned to the host of the party, said he would pay to replace the chair and showed himself out.
Perhaps Elmar Theveßen and his lot just don't understand - read or speak - English very well? I mean, how could they be so stupid? But we know this is perhaps not the case at all - they are leftist ideologues and their prejudice is how they roll....
Clearly none of these people ever listened to, or watched, or read ANYTHING Charlie Kirk ever said. They just took second- or third-hand lies and regurgitated them. And these people have the gall to claim they are "reporting" the truth. What disgusting, mendacious, vile, lackwits these people are.
My presumption is that the media people are mostly lying on purpose, being perfectly able to discover the facts for themselves if they so desired. The trouble is the plebs who absorb what they're being fed, and believe it wholeheartedly.
The day before the shooting I had the displeasure of encountering a clip of Van Jones and another CNN muppet going on about how horrible it was that Charlie Kirk pointed out the race of the subway stabber- then veered off into maligning Kirk for pointing out something everyone else was.
I have to admit, I had rarely encountered Kirk except as maybe as a mention somewhere. I was a bit surprised that he rated such a rabid two minute hate. There is a difference between journalism and demagoguery, and Van went full froth.
The next day, CK was dead. And those who watched that show on CNN probably think it was justified.
It's there anything more hateful in the world than a Progressive?
Charlie Kirk was willing to debate with them. Their response was murderous,followed by the celebration of murder.
I am glad to see that ordinary people in far greater numbers are seeing them for what they truly are.
The left in the western world is in full collapse. They will lash out harder and more violently as their demise intensifies. Forces of sanity will have to crush them out of existence, because they will never give up.
Exactly.
There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal.
"There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal."
But wouldn't a potent uncaged animal be more dangerous?
Just because a psychotic backed into a corner will "lash out", doesn't mean we have our psychotic European managerial elite backed into a corner.
I notice that this false assumption often appears in a Christian context - "they are already defeated". Yes, from the perspective of eternity, or in God's omniscient view, they are indeed already defeated. But that does not mean they are defeated now, or that they will be in our lifetimes, or in the lifetimes of our grandchildren (if we will ever have any).
The election of Trump has put a few spanners in the works of Globalist managerialism, but it's only a start, not the final victory.
Great comment.
Thank you.
You're welcome. I didn't want to pick on Ryan Gardner in particular, but I'd seen this sentiment expressed too many times. The simile is tendentious, and starts to take over. Even the verb "lash out" is loaded, implying an impulsive and desperate action, rather than a premeditated and calculating action. When the managerial elite's actions are clumsy, it is not so much because they are cornered, but largely because they are incompetent and ideologically blinkered.
By contrast, please allow me to vent about my pet peeve of the reader comment boards at "The Wall Street Journal," which are supposedly moderated for quality.
More and more they read like the rantings of lunatics and/or fourth graders, full of non sequiturs, baseless conspiracy theories, and ad hominem attacks.
References to things like the burning of the Reichstag are de rigeur, and a minute doesn't go by without definitive declarations that "American democracy is dead."
Most of the comments aren't even economically or financially literate; for example, I always wonder why these hysterical people are willing to put up with literally dozens of government taxes, fees, tolls, etc. that take money out of their pocket and distort markets, yet somehow decry tariffs as being Sui generis and a bridge too far.
It's nuts.
Reading the comments is as stomach-turning as watching a solid horror film.
Except that the comments (presumably) are real!
I know you weren't picking on Ryan.
And yours, and the comments of so many others here at "Eugyppius," I think make this far and away the highest-quality reader comment board on the Internets.
An animal cannot be "potent" in a cage.
The only thing left "potent" is rage.
Your point isn't clear.
Ryan referred to an impotent caged animal, while I referred to a potent uncaged animal.
You are criticizing a permutation that only you yourself have mentioned.
In any case, "potent" in the present sense is a property of an actor rather than a property of an emotional state.
They will go underground, as they did 40 years ago after SDS, Weathermen, Black Panthers, etc. either self-destructed or were infiltrated and busted.
All cults are the same. All fundamentalists are crazy. When people reject the cults they were raised in they often fill that void with an equal and opposite cult.
Bad people are bad. Good people are good. Weak people can be led in any direction. Mentally ill people have a far lower tipping point than normal people do.
Exactly! There are so many more 'ordinary people' than we realize.
Hmm. That we common sense people should speak up more is certain. That we must oppose most of this Woke Progressive rhetoric is certainly true.
Also, society needs a great number of people on the left to get a grip and not talk about violence or celebrate it — that too is true.
The left should learn to tell the truth much more. It seems that often, eg, as eugyppius, as pointed out, one can only conclude that the left purposefully lies. (One can also repeat a lie, not knowing it is untrue.)
So, we also should try to be more truthful.
Let us also not group all Progressives together. I think we will find that a large number of them find or will find this celebration of violence (eg, in regard to Charlie Kirk) as unacceptable. And many will leave that movement, or rethink their “ideology.” So, let us try to be more specific and only call out that (pretty big) group who promote and celebrate violence.
Yes, there is another group of Woke-Progressives and even Democrats who do not call out and push back against the bad rhetoric we are talking about on their side. They remain silent in the face of very bad behavior. Behavior that contributes to murder.
In this regard, one really good thing is that eugyppius gives specific examples by specific people.
There are people on the left who have done bad things, and some of them (many?) can be redeemed. We can get some of them to repent and come to the other side.
Also, we too, in our anger, should watch and be careful not to make mistakes.
My prayer is: peace on earth, goodwill toward all men. That realistically is too ambitious. Let us, though, see what each of us can do.
I do think the utter just stupidity of this murder is bringing many people to attention, and people will in general step back from violence and violent talk. Or so I hope. We can encourage more of this.
"(Is) there anything more hateful in the world than a Progressive?"
Israeli Jews.
Ukraine Azov.
Wretched, wretched, wretched people. I am grieving to the marrow of my bones not simply that Charlie was murdered--and murdered in a way that his widow will never be able to unsee--but that we must also see the multitudes--hordes--endless swarms of ordinary people who are so completely, utterly, cavernously, pits of hell empty of the merest human decency in responding to this horror.
We never improve in anything as a species but each of us I think at least knows in our own personal lives enough good people to be grateful for. And of course the good ones not personally known but who hearten us so greatly, like you.
Amen. It had been a decade since I last cried, but the day Kirk was shot, the streak was over with streaks on my face.
Call me a pansy...:)
I call you a man almost entirely of my own heart. But I say "amen" with a proper Yiddish accent.
Cheers!
I hope you have something better than State TV in Germany, and it’s difficult to believe her tirade was published. Having watched Charlie grow into a leader with a strong desire to reach the younger generations, I came to know him as one of the kindest, friendliest people who used his voice and knowledge to reach young adults. Although there are substackers who still spit in his face. It is being reported from many outlets now that his assassination was planned by an Antifa-Trantifa chapter with the planning on a Discord chat, with testimony of officials watching the crowd- those who ran, and those who remained and celebrated. We did it! There is much more to uncover for the wellbeing of the USA 🇺🇸.
I'd been observing for years that Charlie had matured wonderfully. Few of his viewpoints were mine but he was certainly a once-in-a-generation force and a natural political strategist and he came of age at the necessary moment.
I was cured of left-wing media by the Rittenhouse trial and at least FOX News carried that trial live as did then-Twitter with useful legal commentators/analysts and the only newspaper I read these days is the Daily Mail Online which despite being a hilarious rag most of the time also does provide news as it breaks. I feel myself perfectly competent to evaluate anything I hear, see or read with my brains and antennae fully functioning.
My feeling about Substack is everyone is welcome to set up their own little garden party and some of the most dreadful people help to pay my own rent here so I ain't gonna wish for the locking of the gates against anyone. It was very helpful to me during Our Plague Era to have so much to browse and make my own mind up over. Plenty of Substackers on "our" side were batshit-crazy or just common-species grifters so it's always sensible to use one's own discernment and instincts.
I doubted all conclusions, sometimes risking derision by friends. Cult mindset can come from any quarter.
If you don't think for yourself there's always someone ready to think for you.
If I offended anyone, I am sorry.
Good grief Michelle. You posted a perfectly rational and reasonable comment.
German media is locked down. Between state funding and censorship. Jeezaloo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLdKtT8w1Y
Here's a video that goes into the group and their connections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYqAggJoosA
The 'leader' of the group has gotten grants from the UN, as well as NGO's and other government grants. Tell me again, why is this person being considered for elevation to international politics? Why are we funding a group set up to violently defend trans/queer ideology?
To answer your questions-
We have free speech and free expression guaranteed in USA. The difference being violent, harmful action is not allowed. Thoughts and speech is fine. Criminal activity not so much.
Just saw this.
https://x.com/agpambondi/status/1967913066554630181?s=12&t=p8geGPH8LKxDxXokmSX_UA
As an aside, I think we we need to drop the term “hate speech” which was invented by the left and has nebulous meaning at best. Find more precise language.
The term “hate speech” can be defined by whomever is in change. In Germany, criticizing a minister is defined as “hate speech” and can land you in jail.
In the USA, speaking with hate is not a crime, because it has no definition. Our First Amendment does not allow speech that expresses imminent violence.
They’ve been trying hard make it a chargeable offense. Now we have “hate crimes.”
Right, we have had Hate crimes under the Civil Liberties Act of 1964. Crime is an act, and can be escalated by that law.
Charlie, if you are interested in the major cases… Same subject as your post. Robert Guveau covers them daily. The Law is fascinating to me and it really cuts through the clutter to learn what’s what.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1wtXK-xiKeU
Thanks I often run across his emails. Maybe I should stop and listen!
Thanks!
Check this out.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLdKtT8w1Y
SCA, such a good assessment. I almost have no words left to describe the leftist hordes at this point. I have to include my own brother at this point, and he's beyond reason.
I'm extremely grateful that the progressives in my own life are loving decent people who only want the best for the world. But they are 40 years younger than I am (except for my brother who is experiencing unutterable grief that I voted for Trump for the first and only time. Even though I acknowledged that I had whored out my integrity for the sake of the nation),
In other words they are who I was in recallable history.
I'm also quite surprised at the crowds gathering outside the USA for vigils and rallies for Charlie. I had no idea he had that kind of reach to people, especially since his comments are largely geared toward USA politics.
Normal healthy young people who came of age during the vicious governmental lunacies of Our Plague Era and who have seen the results of decades of deliberate leftist destruction of their heritages and traditions will naturally be shocked at the assassination of a decent, principled unbigoted man of faith stolen from his family so brutally.
True enough. Europe seems to be well to the left of many of us in America. What they consider "right wing" would be centerish here, so on one hand I'm not surprised that Kirk is labeled a "far right" guy. Ultimately I think they all want people to go along with their unprincipled bigoted behavior because it helps them justify the decision(s) they made. Kirk's death may have finally managed to red pill a large number of people as to how crazy the left has become lately..
"Right/Far Right" are the magic imprecations according to all of our genius political leaders that will make their people recoil in shock and horror and not actually do their own various researches as at least some of the kids have the taste to do.
But we ought to remember that propaganda is the foundation of all religions and not some awful invention of purportedly modern times.
Charlie spoke to large crowds of the younger generation at colleges and high schools. He drew big crowds because he wanted people to ask him questions and debate him. He was a Christian and some had questioned him about that. He always had a smile and treated people with respect. He also had a 2 hour daily podcast. Every one liked him, Or so we thought…
Blame the media for successfully brainwashing a substantial percentage of the population. Whenever I confront one of these groupthinkers with "he never said that" to this or that quote falsely attributed to Trump, Kirk, or whoever, I get a blithe "yes he did" in return. I'm rarely allowed any space to put anything they said in context. They simply can't stand any truths piercing their little bubbles of conceit.
As the person to show you a clip and prove it. They can’t.
They can usually just Google it find a plethora of edited clips, plus links to "fact check" sites that "debunk" "conspiracy theories" which accuse the major networks of relying on out-of-context quotes. This is particularly frustrating because then I sound like a lunatic when I try to explain that Google's algorithms are altered to support state-sponsored messaging. I then have to hunt for an un-edited clip, at which point I'm attacked for "always having to be right".
Give Charlie Kirk credit for having the patience to argue with these people, and for sponsoring a forum where they can't weasle out of facing the truth.
Tell them Sound bites and Wikipedia do not quantify.
Or just ask for a quote or a rough paraphrase. They'll come up empty.
Or tell you that “B/c BBC sez.”
I’ve gotten that one before.
Best to be nice but firm and not give up.
Oh heck. The most fragile people I've encountered on Substack are middle-aged Christian Warrior guys. Talk about yer group thinkers.
What's that "tapping the sign" meme? All cults are the same.
Fear. Fear of standing alone or being descended upon by peers, family, or friends. Only 10-15% of the population worldwide are willing to risk standing by they’re out of the box thinking.
I've been doing it since I was 15 years old despite often reeking of fear-sweat and with my stomach clenching and I know what it's like to get fired for not complying so I have sympathy only for those in a terrible financial vise.
I come from a family (as does my hubby) of doubters and the fiercely independent. It can make life difficult on a day to day basis but there are also opportunities presented due to unique POV.
Why are they funding this? We are not.
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It is too sad, maybe at least evil is out in plain sight even if closer to us than we wanted to admit.
The attempt of the entire left establishment to lynch Kyle Rittenhouse was my Rubicon moment. Turned me into a Boomer FOX News watcher with a vengeance.
We can reminise another time as to when we first noticed the complicity and duplicity of the media. We are where we are now and at least we can see it for what it is.
You might like this video.
On topic.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLdKtT8w1Y
“And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.”
Orwell.
If they were told ham sandwiches were evil you'd get the same reaction.
The fake news will not go down without a fake fight.
They're just upset because we used to just be the rats in a maze; we were free to go anywhere as long as it was in the maze.
We tore down the walls of The Maze and that's where all the angst is coming from.
We've also completed pulled back the curtain on them and exposed them to be the despicable frauds, liars and manipulators that they actually are. They have nowhere to hide and pretend any more. Aspects of this are actually fun to watch as so many of them are discombobulated to the max.
Isn't it more likely:
The fake news will not go down without a REAL fight
Sure, in the long run their (always-was) fake position is unsustainable.
But by "real fight" I mean in the interim.... the real bullets fired at Trump, Kirk, Aaron Danielson and others; the real arson committed by BLM/Antifa, and other real-world violence.
Or your own quote elsewhere here:
"There is nothing so dangerous as an impotent caged animal."
Maybe. But I think they're in a fake fight but don't know it yet because their projection and irony are indistinguishable to them.
They're driving buggys in denial about the Tin Lizzies...they just don't know it yet.
Fake fight? I love it. But could you spell it out for me please before I bandy it about?
The media and the leadership on the Left doesn't believe you're a fascist/Nazi, they say it so their supporters feel justified in killing you.
Thanks. Yes, I heard that this week. That does make it a fake fight. Even at this point I can't believe they want us dead, but we're seeing some do. It's evil.
I was just thinking earlier that everything we believe was what we all believed just a few years ago. It's incredible how this gulf has materialized.
Popular T-shirt in the US:
NEED A NEW CONSPIRACY THEORY
ALL MY OLD ONES GOT PROVED.
Ah, Dunja Hayali took her own advice to “just shut up for a moment and perhaps not say anything at all.” Of course she would've been wiser to do it before she antagonized the right wing hate mob.
Must we deploy carrier pigeons to get alternative information to the German public? They seem to be sequestered in darkness behind a digital iron curtain!
I betcha a nickel we'll eventually find out the tranny movement and Antifa are a distinction without difference
I love that you name the logical fallacies. We need to do more of this and demand westerners improve their education levels.
Agree.
Memes work, precisely because hypocrisy is base material for mockery and humor. - force multipliers when combined.
.....and they haven't figured out how to use the weapon because they don't see the irony of their projection.
Also because they don’t have a leg to stand on. How do you make an effective meme when your basis is loony? Like when their “truth” is that a man can be a woman. How do you spin that in a humorous way that everyone can agree on? Only lecturing and finger wagging comes into play. Threats and coercion. Their message is too ridiculous as it is!
Bingo
Its amazing how similar we think.
Although most of this shit is easy because we don't live in a delusional hallucination they call reality.
Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: THAT'S NOT FUNNY!
You hit it on the head. Lefties are the worst meme-ers.
I hope Alinsky (Rule #5) is gnashing his teeth in hell.
Welp. There's only one corollary tighter than a lack of humor and a lack of common sense; the corollary between irony and projection.
Its as sound a theory as gravity. If you doubt me go to a city council meeting or a schoolboard meeting....
You might really like this. I just found it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLdKtT8w1Y
wow. this was really good....and scary
Here’s an excellent follow up.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy2ju_qPtuM
I won't take that bet. But I'll put another one on the table: I'll bet 10 cents that Antifa, trans movements, the deep state, and the legacy media are all linked. I can only speculate on who is running them, and what are their ultimate goals. But one thing I'm sure of is that anyone or anything they're against must be good.
The only way id make that bet is with some of my libtard friends.
Like taking candy from a baby....
Exactly so!
We are so often shown how our betters are endlessly so much worse than we are.
Hey SCA, I asked you a Q two days ago on a diff substack but now I can’t remember what it was. Lol
It was Gato I think.
You asked if you see me here also.
👍🏿 Actually pretty sure I also wondered if you are in USA.👍🏿
Born bred raised and still American.
Yes, there's a form of 'oral diarrhea' or of a 'tourettes' being suffered by The Left in the wake of Mr. Kirk's death; they just can't keep their mouths shut. Seems like they need to vomit their venom forth?
They have to call his speech hateful because he used speech the Left hates.
That but also IMO they’re overcompensating. I find that they know what is socially acceptable and what is not. They know celebrating this is not acceptable and they’re trying to apologize without apologizing for the sake of “normal” people.
You’ll see this other times when you logically and indisputably paint them into a corner and then they point fingers of blame elsewhere and deny responsibility or rest upon tropes like “equity” or “words are violence,” or, “the right made me do it.” I hope I spoke clearly. I was thinking back upon interactions I have had.
Two of the defining characteristics of the left are overreach and garrulousness. In concert with the false consensus effect, it leads to them spewing damning public confessions without a second thought. Witness the recent victims of Sudden Unemployment Syndrome here in the USA, who never gave a second thought to spouting their bile in what they mistakenly assumed were safe bubbles.
Hmmmm..."right wing hate squad" is used by people with no defensible position to avoid admitting they have no defensible position.
'partly elaborated from the media mythology that the German press have created around Kirk’s shooting'
Of course it's not just the German press. In talking to my liberal friends here in Utah, they almost all parrot these myths, but when pressed, admit they have never listened to Charlie Kirk themselves. They're just being fed this garbage by their media bubble.
I would hope that the increasing attention being brought to this very point might cause some of them to rethink their attitudes, but that would of course depend on how much of it penetrates their media bubble.
Exactly.
To put it in perspective, liberals were outraged at a model in jeans, but not about a man getting assassinated in cold blood.
Let that sink in.
More perspective (and this is a meme I've seen a lot), liberals were outraged about a blonde model in jeans, but not about a blonde woman being knifed in the neck by a black man.
I know it's utterly astonishing to me that people can harbor hate that long. I mean goodness, wouldn't that get old?
And you're right, a couple weeks ago everyone saw their daughter, or wife or mother get killed when a beautiful woman seeking refuge in the US was senselessly killed by a career thug.
Last week I felt like our country "died"...and a small piece of all of us died.
I'm stealing this.
Spread it. The internet is free imo!
My liberal friend who said "No great loss, he was a gun nut", actually volunteered to me a couple of days later that she had rethought what she said and regretted it—ironically enough, after reading what Ezra Klein had to say about it.
So not everybody is a total write-off :)
I suspect that some portion of this sort of "re-evaluation" could well be motivated by seeing dozens of people publicly fired for such sentiments over the past few days...
"Oh dear -- perhaps this is no longer the safe, popular public reaction."
This is mostly verbatim the reaction of the norwegian media as well, including the state media network NRK, who labeled Kirk a "far-right activist" in news stories about the killing. Everything from straight news articles to op-eds have included variations of allegations that Kirk was a fascist, racist, homo- transphobic, woman-hating extremist who loves guns and celebrated violence.
All the same misquotations and slander have been repeated in Norway. Completely unhinged, while all along qualifying with the non-sensical assertion that even this Hitler-to-be did not deserve to die. But of course no one needs to mourn. And while these political judgements were placed with absolute certainty, there is much confusion and pause about what the mysterious motives of the killer might be.
This coordinated and identical attack by european media raises the question of some strange conspiracy, but I suspect they are all just copying the same dunces in the NYT and WaPo etc, without the slightest fact check. But still it is like the hysterical reaction of a fundamentalist religious state seeing an enemy of the faith get murdered.
I asked grok about just this, how the iranian press reacted to the Charlie Hebdo murders, and this was its response:
"The predominant interpretation in Iranian media was that while the attack was unequivocally condemned as an act of terrorism and violence contrary to Islamic principles, it was ultimately provoked by Charlie Hebdo's repeated publication of insulting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which were seen as deliberate Islamophobia and a Western assault on Muslim sensitivities. This view was echoed across conservative outlets (e.g., Kayhan and state TV IRIB) and even some reformist ones, framing the magazine as "provocative" and the event as a consequence of "breeds extremism." Officials like President Hassan Rouhani denounced violence in religion's name but warned against "insulting" faiths, while clerics such as Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami called the killings wrong yet blamed the cartoons for escalating tensions."
We are in Europe dealing with the same level of zealotry and religious madness, perhaps worse.
American coverage is generally far more measured than that in Germany and what you describe in Norway. I don't know how this precise set of identical talking points are propagating themselves across our entire media, but it's weird and not something I would've expected.
'I don't know how this precise set of identical talking points are propagating themselves across our entire media'
Covid all over again. There's a network, obviously, formalized or not. It could be as simple as all of them swimming in the same water.
That's true. But the origin seems to be the same for all. Perhaps some more radical US outlets or social media accounts are the source. And these talking points were delivered almost instantly, the general outline within a few hours, then fleshed out over the next day. E.g. this line about stoning gays.
yes, the whole narrative was set from the morning of 11 September.
This is probably at least one factor: https://substack.com/@tardigrade1/note/c-156621719
Interesting. I saw the same podcast but didn't make the connection to the coordinated response of european media. (Have seen tweets suggesting dutch and belgian media have same messaging). Of course this also opens the possibility that these talentless hacks have just copied all of it from AI. How or if AIs like gpt or grok can be "gamed" to make a certain biased output is beyond me - and seems unlikely to happen so quickly after the event - but they're already quite leftist in output anyway.
That's the point of flooding the zone with targeted viewpoints, to influence (corrupt? pollute?) the LLMs/AIs that draw on the Internet and social media for their responses.
Nailed it. Succinctly.
It looks like U.S. Media, and that of all other EU countries all spew out coordinated talking points.
"How or if AIs like gpt or grok can be "gamed" to make a certain biased output is beyond me"
I was unnerved this week by another interaction with Grok. After other AIs entirely failed to handle my request to identify a comic movie scene about a medieval peasant, Grok hammered it first time out as being from Discworld's Wyrd Sisters. Noting that no URL was offered (unusual), I asked for one. It replied that it didn't need one, as the entire text of the fantasy was part of its initial information bank.
WTF?
Knowing that Grok knows Terry Pratchett makes me feel more friendly towards it 😆
The same phrases were everywhere on local news during the corona. Here 90% of news outlets are owned by 6 companies. It might be the same in Europe?
Why was the leader of the armed band of trannys the shooter belonged to being given money by the UN and being groomed as an international figure?
I'm not sure she was directly involved in ordering a hit, but I'm pretty sure she was telling the membership that the right was out to get them and they would need to defend themselves violently, which likely led to this.
But, there are obviously international ties to this propaganda and incitement system.
How low can they go? You cannot begin to imagine.
What they haven't realized yet is they killed the nice guy.
I wonder what's going to happen if they start going after those unwilling to turn the other cheek?
They are playing with fire.
And they deserve to burn.
Yeah. They light up cities. We light candles at vigils.
We even pick up our trash after rallies...
We are NOT the same, and we should not abide their claims of "there are two sides".
Their martyrs are criminals, addicts, and thugs. Ours is a "preacher."
I'm old enough to remember when theirs was a preacher. Now, even their preachers are corrupt.
I don't have the the link, but NPR morning after the shooting was host asking the correspondent: "Can you explain how a normal healthy kid (i.e., Kirk) went down this dark path into alt right extremism" like he was a mental patient that had jumped off a bridge.
When that very question should have been asked in reference to the shooter and his “alt left extremism” to the point of cold blooded murder!
The media are the exact inverse of rationality.
Yes exactly. I don't know if they were aware of the irony.
💯!!!
The _leftist_ news and entertainment media are.
💯!!!
Of course, the morning after the shooting, nobody really knew for sure what the killer's politics were, other than the leftist media getting way out over their skis and insisting that he was a right-winger too because his parents were. It's almost as if no socialist journalist had ever had a kid... or been one.
This was to be expected. Worse than MSNBC. There needs to be more effort to publicly call out the “fake noose” and well the fact that SPD is linked at the hip with Antifa. Americans and many Germans do not appear to have much realization of how very misleading the majority of German media actually is. How it is 💯 controlled and takes orders from globalist overlords.
On this note, ya’ll might like a YT Chanel called “Red Pill Germany” and “Survival Lily”
Please check them out. 💕
Yes, I also wanted to recommend Red Pill Germany. Here he talks about the same topic as Eugy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL1d7rxTEs0
I'll check out Survival Lily as well
She’s in Austria, Germany’s little brother, which of course tends to follow right along 90%.
I checked out the red pill link, clicked thru a few episodes. Seems a cessool of blamin' it on the jooos. Think I'll give the Lily one a miss, too.
The comments are unfortunately full of jew haters. It's unfortunate that alot of right wing commentators attract these sorts
If you find them unfortunate, then don't you be the one endorsing the red pill guy. He was just explaining how Israel gained pedophilia blackmail on a thousand-plus "world leaders" by running the Epstein op, and thus did the jooos gain control of the world. No, really. It's confusing because I thought they already controlled it through the Rothchilds. Which made sense because a nice Catholic paralegal, whom I often used to read for her research on the PREP Act, one day informed us all that Zionists were part of Satan's army.
Maybe that all sounds about right to you.
So I'll just meditate another minute on why eugyppius specifically "liked" your endorsement of the red pill guy, and then I'll back away from this corridor of Substack
What are you on about? Seems like you are another one of these outrage archaeologists who needs to dig through a person's history to find something to be outraged about. As far as I remember, he didn't mention the jews in that video, so calm your tits. And don't mediate too much. It might send you over the edge.
Excellent video! I found it particularly interesting how he placed the origin of Antifa in Germany and suggested there is still contact/influence/coordination with Antifa in the U.S. and Antifa Germany.
I'm willing to bet eugyppius, as well as at least half the people in Europe, are getting heartily sick of the knee-jerk phrase "extreme right-wing" and its variants.
I know I am.
It's like repeating the word "onion" over and over. Eventually it loses all meaning.
The term “far right” has been so overused that it’s become meaningless and the slur just goes over most people’s heads.
🎯
Good grief. The German press is more despicable and sickening than the American press, if that's even possible. I've watched Charlie Kirk since he first appeared on the scene in about 2012. I've listened to many interviews, and have watched with great enjoyment what is probably hours and hours of his campus interchanges. He is none of the things the radical far leftists accuse him of. One thing so many on the left hated about him was his unabashed Christianity. He quoted it when it seemed appropriate or useful, but he certainly didn't push it on anyone. As your own article reveals so well, they just outright make up lies and also cherry pick snippets of video without any broader context. After seeing this lying by omission of context so much I can no longer attribute this to journalistic sloppiness. It is deliberate and they know exactly what they are doing when they say these lies about Charlie.
My TDS suffering brother sent me a revolting article by the radical far left "feminist" hack Moira Donegan. If anyone cares to get in the swamp to read it, here's a link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-killing
From that article she spewed this vitriolic paragraph that she just made up:
"He “debated” untrained liberal undergraduates with cameras rolling – that it reads as willfully naive, if not outright dishonest. Charlie Kirk’s “debates” were aggressive, unequal, trolling affairs, in which he sought to provoke his interlocutors to distress, shouted them down and belittled them, spewed hateful rhetoric about queer and trans people, women, Black people, immigrants and Muslims, and selectively edited the ensuing footage to create maximally viral content in which his fans could witness him humiliating the liberals and leftists they perceived to be their enemies. This was not “debate”; it was not reasoned, good-faith discourse; it was not the kind of fair deliberation that democracy relies on. It was a mockery of those things."
Well, Moira Donegan, I have probably observed Charlie Kirk in action a hundred times longer than you have, and I never saw any of those things you are screeching about. Not once. Had he behaved like that, neither I nor any of his other admirers would have listened to him. So Moira Donegan lies as a profession. And she is obviously a hysterical far leftist who is out of control emotionally but who unfortunately has a widely read platform to influence from. What she wrote will be quoted by other lazy writers now, and they will of course repeat it all as truth, just as Donegan has done.
What Charlie Kirk did and what idiots like Moira Donegan and those other fools mentioned in your article are too ignorant to know, is that Charlie Kirk debated using the Socratic Method. The left doesn't understand how to debate, and they for some reason see it as threatening. They no longer believe having facts to support your assertions is required or necessary. They operate on the ad hominem method of one-sided debate. And then they want you to shut up when they're done.
Another thought: There are always ultra-right-wing people, but they never reference ultra-left-wing people. I heard someone say the lefties believe they represent the center and most people think like they do. Sigh. I'm so tired of all this.
The left hates debate. Why else would they insist on 'No Debate' on Trans, Critical Theory, Marxism, etc?
You know who does actually advocate stoning gays right now? Y'all have a lot of them over there.
I never realised how much I could hate the MSM. They are despicable liars who wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face. They hate the truth - it is an anathema to them because it shows how much they despise their fellow citizens.
Leftists these days don't just hate the truth; they hate the very concept of truth. Here in the US many people who have gone to university have been instructed by those treacherous institutions that absolute truth does not exist, that it is an idea developed to serve the interests of "the patriarchy." Leftists embrace the notion wholeheartedly.
When I was young I had a roommate who had been indoctrinated in that belief. One day at breakfast he ridiculed my "naive" statement that truth was absolute. I reached over and took something off his plate and ate it. He was incensed, but I denied I had done anything. "That's your truth," I said. "It isn't mine."
Of course, it didn't convince him in the least, but he avoided the subject thereafter.
Yes, it would make a good debate:
Leftist - Absolute truth does not exist.
Sane person - Is what you've just said an absolute truth?
Leftist - What's that you say, fascist?
Sane person - Well, if what you said is absolutely true, then there is one absolute truth, and so you contradict yourself. On the other hand, if it isn't absolutely true, then there can be cases of absolute truth, so again, you're wrong.
Leftist - [aims] Bella ciao! Take that, fascist!
Sane person - [dies in a pool of blood]
Legacy media - While we should not celebrate the death of this sane person, we must ask: what made him become such a violent raving racist transphobic white-supremacist alt-right fascist? He created the environment of hate that killed him.
Great story and an interesting illustration.
I remember a similar lesson I once witnessed. I was at a party in the Bay Area many years ago and a couple of slightly drunk guys got into it. It seems that they were arguing about words or similar being able to count as 'violence'. Finally, the guy arguing against 'abstract concept as literal violence' had enough, yelled, "I'll show you violence", picked up a plastic lawn chair and literally shattered it on the patio. Then he pointed to the chair and said "There! That is Violence," turned to the host of the party, said he would pay to replace the chair and showed himself out.
That was a lesson that stuck with me for sure.
Perhaps Elmar Theveßen and his lot just don't understand - read or speak - English very well? I mean, how could they be so stupid? But we know this is perhaps not the case at all - they are leftist ideologues and their prejudice is how they roll....
They look to others in their tribe to tell them what to think and say.
Clearly none of these people ever listened to, or watched, or read ANYTHING Charlie Kirk ever said. They just took second- or third-hand lies and regurgitated them. And these people have the gall to claim they are "reporting" the truth. What disgusting, mendacious, vile, lackwits these people are.
My presumption is that the media people are mostly lying on purpose, being perfectly able to discover the facts for themselves if they so desired. The trouble is the plebs who absorb what they're being fed, and believe it wholeheartedly.
The day before the shooting I had the displeasure of encountering a clip of Van Jones and another CNN muppet going on about how horrible it was that Charlie Kirk pointed out the race of the subway stabber- then veered off into maligning Kirk for pointing out something everyone else was.
I have to admit, I had rarely encountered Kirk except as maybe as a mention somewhere. I was a bit surprised that he rated such a rabid two minute hate. There is a difference between journalism and demagoguery, and Van went full froth.
The next day, CK was dead. And those who watched that show on CNN probably think it was justified.
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How can you tell the media are lying? Their lips are moving.
Also, they're lying when their lips are not moving.