To me it looks like the disarming officer accidentally discharges the weapon as he's turning to leave the scene, and that causes the other officers (who just heard GUN!) to start firing.
But make no mistake, this is exactly what Walz and Frey have been hoping for.
That theory must've originated with you, I think? Didn't realise, some guys in a GC were talking about it. Anyway, I've linked your post, good analysis.
I doubt very much I was the first person in the world to come up with it, and I've seen others today talking about it who don't read my Substack -- so I think it was almost certainly floating around somewhere else.
I don't care. That's my ultimate position at this point. I just don't fucking care about these retards getting shot.
Sometimes the penalty for being an idiot is death. Pretti found that out yesterday, Good found that out a week or two ago, and it's very likely that quite a few more people will discover that over the next month or so. And I just have too much shit in my own life to give a fuck about idiots dying in service of fucking around and trying to destroy my country.
I realize it's not the most empathic perspective, but here we are anyway. They've just worn out my ability to care.
Good was cosplaying with armed cops in a tense situation, and her spouse shouted "Drive, baby, drive!" Stupidity doubled is still stupid.
Petti went armed to a standoff with cops, then fought arrest. It's hard to imagine any other outcome.
Unfortunately, stupidity makes the news, the media welcomes it, twists it all out of shape, and makes money from the capitalist system they profess to hate.
Exactly! Her girlfriend was heard afterwards, screaming “why did you have real bullets?”
They think they are having a little cosplay adventure or maybe playing a video game, while the law enforcement officers are chasing down and arresting violent criminals.
Exactly. At Defcon 2004, I went out into the Nevada desert with a bunch of friends to shoot guns and blow up watermelons and Tannerite, which is a commercially available binary explosive. Someone called the police, they showed up in SUVs and a bloody helicopter, and we were clearly *very* well armed. As in, we had more firearms than they brought actual police officers, let alone the amount of ammo we had for each one.
None of us, including the folks there who were foreign nationals, got shot, or even arrested. Because we were calm, and polite, and respectful. We got angry and loud and rude *afterwards*, I'll grant. But at the time, we behaved in a sane fashion, and were not harmed.They even let us sit in the shade of the tailgate of their SUV while they investigated, and thereby avoid a significant sunburn.
To elaborate on your point . These people were set up by the organizations to which they belonged . They were brainwashed ( not difficult) as to some higher cause . Antifa got just what they wanted …Chaos .
Now to Renée Good . I believe that she thought that being a white liberal gay woman gave her some immunity. I agree Warmek …stupid . Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ? She then honks her horn and dances madly smiling in her car and then refuses orders to exit the car .Worse she tries to drive away ? How do you get to be 37 and be sooo fn dumb . Oh. Yeah ..she had three children and did this ..God forbid she was home baking cookies ..never! What ? Male patriarchy? Bake cookies ? Yeah dumb Schitt …you be alive
" Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ?" Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people in Minnesota. A state I will never, ever visit.
You can protest, carry a pistol, and extra magazines just fine.
Just don’t interfere with law enforcement officers while doing any of the above.
Or at all.
There are exactly two legitimate avenues for a citizen to direct or contest law enforcement actions : to the elected official giving them orders, and to the specific court with jurisdiction.
In 2010, fifteen thousand people showed up for one of the early TEA party protests downtown in my city. 3,000 were armed. Law enforcement everywhere. Nary an incident.
Probably the TEA party protest people didn't think they were being The Resistance Against The Evil Fascist In The White House. If you whip yourself up into a frenzy of Orange Man Must Be Fought And Defeated, you'll probably do very unwise things at some point.
Or just cooperate with ICE detainers. It's rather surreal that people support a policy where criminal illegal immigrants are protected from ICE. Working with ICE on detainers is the ideal scenario because then there's minimal risk to everyone involved.
I feel like you, Warmek. I have no energy to care anymore. Severe compassion fatigue.I don't want it to change me as a person, so I just have to shut it down.
c20,000 murders annually in the US - many premeditated, cruel beyond belief and gruesome - but the world loses its mind over a couple of idiots getting shot when protesting on behalf of millions of illegals brought into the US to destroy it.
i feel the same way -- the MN people refuse to cooperate with ICE, so ICE has a choice -- give up or persist. Giving up would send the message that Trump will give up if you just send enough martyrs to kill themselves. certainly a bad precedent that will lead to more martyrs. Or, ICE officers can become the martyrs, refusing to use force until...until I don't know, a bunch of them are dead I guess. Then Trump will be accused of sending "men to their death." So ... both sides like the current situation of FAFO. This is the Democrats last stand, here in MN, so I do feel like a lot is at stake. If Republicans cave on this, then...game over for them. Democrats here still hold most of the actual power and influence, and their money comes direct from the Treasury.
I don't know what the federal government should do. At this point it seems like intervening would set off violence and not intervening invites people in other states to do the same. There must be more possible responses.
And if a few looters had been shot on site during their crimes there probably would be fewer lootings. At least it works that way in Florida during hurricane season
There is another big difference. In Minnesota, the protesters are opposing law enforcement to protect criminals. The J6ers were opposing the criminals who have corrupted our elections (this is largely bipartisan, although it seems to be more D than R at the moment). The similarity is only in the protesters being the ones getting killed.
The Minnesota rioters have hundreds of NGO's and leftist bureaucrats supporting and financing them. Big bucks weekly for key rioters. With our tax dollars that have been laundered through these organizations. (See Craigslist if your looking for the gig). Free food, lodging and transportation. Bureaucrats are supplying them access to state records of ice officers and targeted citizens (see Data Republican on X).
Lots and lots of support and planning in Minnesota backed by leftist politicians and bureaucrats. It's the conspiracy that'll get them.
DC was a bunch of out of town people wandering off to the Capitol where FBI plants ushered them in. Not one of them charged for "insurrection" because there wasn't one. They were all charged with trespassing or similar.
It's more about the public opinion battle. The USA today is made up of a pretty questionable bunch, no doubt, but unfortunately they matter. We appear to have irreconcilable differences almost across the board. Still, the future of Trump's many successes depend on public opinion (or on implementing an entirely new system, if that's on your table).
We do NOT have irreconcilable differences. These folks are being paid to do this. It's an attempt at election nullification. They don't like illegal immigration enforcement? Juat give them Barack Obama's rebuke to Eric Kantor - "I won."
The problem here is that the democrat media, which still has meaningful reach, is exclusively selling the narrative that these are murders, the enforcement operations are illegitimate, and Trump is hitler.
Republicans don't call people "disloyal," so there's no reason to put it in quotation marks. It's coming from you. Progressives, though, sure are quick to call people "traitors," and sure are quick to turn on any one of their own suspected of being a hair away from orthodoxy. Must be the Iron Law of Woke Projection.
They're deranged, poorly trained, as one of them said after the murder yesterday "...it's like "call of duty"! They're like the IDF, killing innocent civilians for sport.
If what you assert is true, why are elected leaders like Walz and Frey not calling on the public to go home and stay safe? Would you go to a "protest" and obstruct the work of lunatics with guns ready to murder everyone in their way? Instead, they are urging the "protesters" on, posing further risk to all involved. By the way, a protest is when you stand or march peacefully to make your opinion known, not get in front of a moving police car or a wantsandwarrants squad to obstruct their work. Who is deranged? Don't want none, don't start none.
Give me a spunky, passionate, gutsy "liberal" willing to put their neck on the line for others than the "Hallmark channel" spineless people that are all too common these days. Illegals should be dealt with in a legal, rational way if they are, but all Trump's claims about the hoards of criminals and mental patients released to stream into our country are a warped pipe dream--the evidence just is not there for the proven liars and psychos around him.
I agree. And I think it’s going to get worse. I read the other day that New York City has a similar well-run and finances organization, and that they are gearing up for similar anarchy right now. I wish I could link the article but I don’t remember what it was, sorry
Turns out the Petti was part of a group actively interfering with ICE operations in Minneapolis. Group is apparently run by a Walz operative. OMG gained access to their Signal Chat.
Sig Sauer apparently has had multiple lawsuits about that particular gun misfiring- even without touching the trigger. I saw a video (where of course, this could be doctored), but he got it to fire without touching the trigger and only touching the barrel. Some of the lawsuits are from law enforcement officers.
And yet not a single person has been able to cause even one of the Sig guns to accidentally fire without pulling the trigger. Some idiot "modified" one and was able to get it to fire by poking things inside the gun. That doesn't count. This was not a case of a gun "just going off".
I am not so sure about that, but obviously if it's proven that the officer pulled the trigger he should be on the hook for that. (Indeed, he's the only one who could POSSIBLY be facing criminal charges, IMO)
FWIW, it seems that this theory is gaining some traction today.
Rob Dobar, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, said he believes that Pretti’s gun went off after the agent grabbed it, leading the other agent to open fire.
“I believe it’s highly likely the first shot was a negligent discharge from the agent in the grey jacket after he removed the Sig P320 from Pretti’s holster while exiting the scene,” Dobar said on X.
and this is one reason why you should never bring a gun if you want to express your displeasure with the police! Wrong place, wrong time. I'm looking forward to reading your analysis!
I know for a fact that the US military ordered those weapons to stop being used for at least a while, because I have to pass through an armed checkpoint every day I go into work, which is on a US Air Force base. And at one point a few months ago, all of the airmen were carrying their M4s instead of just pistols for a bit.
That dead airman turned out to be a homicide/ND that the perp lied about and blamed the gun.
Sig does pretty extensive testing on their guns these days, and it's very easy to accidentally discharge a handgun when you're scuffling with it. Seems way more likely to me than the gun going off on its own.
That was older models of the P320, like several years ago and SIG sent out fixes and fixed the gun going forward. I might also add this gun has an aftermarket trigger and god knows what else he did internally. I have 2 320’s modded as well, and *if* I was allowed to or lived in a free country I would in no way use my 320 as a carry gun. Lightening the trigger is for competition or a range toy only.
I have a great deal of sympathy for actual citizen revolutionaries rebelling against a tyrant, even with unpermitted weapons. The recent uprising in Iran is an example.
These people in Minnesota and other cities are interfering in perfectly legitimate deportations.
Please search for “The Narrative Initiative” started and perfected in MN before being exported nationally. (Can’t link here for some reason) There is a reason it all starts in MN. If the state would cooperate, Ice would be here and gone. No one is asking why the state isn’t cooperating. Notice how the fraud story link to MN has disappeared? As a Minnesotan, I’m tired of being used for far left agendas as well as the ignorance of the city and suburban dwellers blindly following in suicidal empathy.
What’s missing is any video from before the altercation. I think it matters. Did the woman, or others in that group, do something that endangered others? Did they stand on front of traffic, warn the target of the operation, or physically interfere in the arrest, thus justifying their own arrest? Or were they simply protesting, and the officers got mad and attacked them? They seemed to be want to “get” Mr, Pretti. I’m not saying he deserved to get shot. It’s very sad, and like Ms. Good, seemed like a decent though naive person. But I want to know, were they trying to carry out a justified arrest, or were they simply acting like jack booted thugs?
Yep. The situation is made more complex by the fact that particular gun has a habit of going off without a trigger pull, so we can't state outright that the officer was being negligent with the gun.
Those pallets of bricks didn't show up out of nowhere.
There are factions of people -- in this country and around the world -- who are actively fomenting this chaos because they want to take control of whatever comes next.
Gunmaker SIG Sauer Found Liable in Shooting Accident
A Georgia jury concluded that the company had failed to adequately warn consumers about the risk of its most popular gun, the P320, unintentionally discharging.
No striker-fired gun is truly drop safe, but the early models of this gun were particular susceptible to firing when dropped. Since then though, they've added a lot of drop safety features.
People (including law enforcement) ND all the time, especially in stressful situations. 999/1000, its user error.
Is any gun really drop safe? I know a range officer in Rochester who was killed after a CZ Shadow 1 didn’t go correctly into the competitors holster and fell on the hammer and killed my friend. My double action revolver might be as it has no spur. guns are not toys to be dropped
I highly recommend SimCom's article! Also, read his linked article about the Sig P320's unfortunate habit of going off unexpectedly. Like most intelligent people on here, I see the situation as being a tragic, but totally preventable accident. The useful idiots are continuing to do useful idiot stuff and the Leftists are thrilled about it. Their number one goal is to provoke civil war. If Kristi Noeme were to ask me what to do, I'd tell her to simply stop the paramilitary tactics and continue their work undercover....
Thanks. The SIG P320 is famous for unintentional firing. The cop undoubtedly had good trigger discipline (trigger finger straight along the frame), as all of us gun nuts do. I even do this with my electric drill, it's so ingrained.
Your comment prompted the thought of applying, by analogy, the primary assumption of risk theory used in sports, which I find fitting, as so much of this seems like a grisly sporting event. In some states, including, oddly enough, California, if one participates in a sport known to have significant risks, one assumes the risk of death or injury that arises out of such risks. One doesn't even need to sign a waiver for this to be true. So the widow of a rock climbing student who plunges to his death due to the screw-up of his instructor is barred from suing. This is true even if the instructor was negligent - but not reckless. People are often surprised at this. They want to ski the Black Diamond run and sue if they are injured. I am all for protecting the Constitutional right to protesting just like I want to protect one's right to the freedom of expression through sports. But there is responsibility for choices. One can protest in a sympathetic Church, outside an official office, in the park, and on the sidewalks, but if one ups the ante from the bunny or mid-range slope to a run that skiers are told to avoid, my vote is you assume the risk.
Sadly today cops spook me because I known, a Jane Doe public, I spook them. I am an ancient Gen-Xer. I remember the days when cops would pull you over and make you dump your beer or laugh at you that the weed you thought you had was actually something your dealer pulled from his mom’s spice rack. Those are long gone. When my kid got his driver's license, I gave strict instructions on what to do if pulled over. The days of being obnoxiously confrontational or flirty are long over.
The smug gestapo like tactics by the undertrained thugs and criminals that are hiding behind masks are the villains and no amount of propaganda will change that: https://substack.com/@steveschmidt/p-185727901
For more context on on the Sig P320 safety concerns due to unintentional discharge (generated by Grok):
The handgun recovered from Alex Pretti, the 37-year-old individual fatally shot by federal agents during the January 24, 2026, incident in Minneapolis, was identified as a SIG Sauer P320.  This model has been the subject of extensive reporting in gun-related and law enforcement publications regarding safety concerns, including allegations of a “hair trigger” sensitivity and unintended discharges where the pistol fires without the trigger being pulled.
Key examples include:
• Multiple investigations and lawsuits highlighting over 80 incidents of the P320 discharging unintentionally, often while holstered or during handling, as detailed in firearms policy reporting. 
• Reports of the pistol firing on its own in military and law enforcement contexts, with no trigger pull involved, leading to injuries among users.  
• A specific lawsuit from a police officer claiming a holstered P320 discharged due to a “hair trigger,” causing injury without any contact with the trigger. 
• Broader coverage in law enforcement outlets discussing the P320’s design flaws, prompting some agencies to reconsider its use and leading to temporary suspensions in military units following accidental firings.   
He was lying on the floor after the third shot. He was dead. Coincidence?! Fear?! What about the other 6 bullets fired? Into the body on the floor?! Does it supposedly match Walz? I know it certainly doesn't match his family. And I'm writing this, from Croatia, someone who knows what bullets and grenades fired in the streets sound like. No armchair theorist. By the way, I don't have a gun and I never will, but I know how to shoot and I'm going to the shooting range. This is a disgrace for the alleged agents. If these are your federal agents, and they fire 10 bullets at the arrested guy - I really wish you all the best. That's all.
It's difficult to imagine what it's like to be right fucking there. Pretty easy to be judgy. The main point being why that poor schmuck thought bringing a gun to confront the police would end in any other outcome. True in Croatia too, que no?
No, it is not difficult to "imagine". I was in similar situation many times. If agents have confirmed info that this guy was some terrorist or wanted - then you don't ask and don't try to put him and other person in the ground.
10 shoots is execution, looks like mafia done before to scare public and to send some message. In situation like this in this city, if you have licence for gun, and gun, and go to work - you didn't take gun with you? Oh, yes. I would each time. And, those ICE agents - what is really their job? To arrest and intercept people leaving work? Are they trained for this? I don't think so - because all of them run away, and only one can not stop shooting. Again - 10 shoots?!
And I don't care about any side here, I do not say that I'm on side of public, either on side of ICE agents. I just say that was not a profi-job. This ICE agents were scary and reacted in panic. This is very, very bad.
friend enemy distinction. the agents did nothing wrong, but even if they did, i don’t care about anything bad happening to my enemies and i don’t see why i should extend them a fairness they would never give to me
Excellent . It’s complicated . These 2 Minnesota people were set up . A nation wide organization ( call it Antifa for argument sake ) has been set up in “ sanctuary cities “ to subvert ICE . They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE . We can get lost in the weeds analyzing video . The bigger picture is a democratic operation is being subverted . Compare this to the ICE operation in Louisiana where local police and officials co operate . No riot . No scene . Targeted illegal Immigrants were apprehended and ICE left . The rest of the country did not even know . The NYT and MSM didn’t even bother to cover the operation. It’s a war here in the USA . A war that should be happening in Germany if anyone there cares about Germanic culture …an amazing culture .
Yes, "They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE" but this goes much deeper than Democrats verses Republicans, illegals have been allowed and encouraged to flood here since the 1965 immigration bill and no Zionist controlled administration, Congress law-makers, Justice or Federal powerful has done or tried to do anything to change the flooding of lawless easily exploited and abused cheap low skill labor, as legal immigration laws imports cheaper higher-skilled labor. Increase crime, destroy unified communities, inject peoples hostile to traditional majority-white Christian based cultures ..
Remember that President Trump stop ICE from exercising the laws when the illegals were being abused by hotels and farmers? I picked peppers beside migrant workers and could double the minimum wage other jobs in area were paying by working hard one summer between HS, I was sorry when all the work was done - Americans can and would do those jobs, and we could report employers abuses. ..
Anyway, As long as wages will not be forced up, or employers can still abuse workers, and housing costs stay cripplingly high, and social-services are taxed towards failure, and crimes stay high, and medical services are taxed, .. .. as long as all those things and culture and political and racial and other fighting destroys the West - Zionists will allow some illegals to be removed.
There has been a coordinated slow genocide of Western majority-white Christian-based peoples and cultures that accelerated from the late 1950s once the basic roots had been poisoned; education, media, religion, freedom to live in similar communities, family & local & Church mutual support, elder wisdom good & respected, ...
Look at the patterns. I argue that the destructive forces have always been harming and soul-murdering us. Since 1960s there have been so many genocidal policies .. with 1.5 Billions dead.
Yes it is deliberate . White Europeans are being replaced . I’m 79 . My high schools was 100% white ( Gemini) ..not 90 or 80 ..100% .Mostly Jewish and Italian . When I got to UCLA in 1965 it was mostly white . I mean black football and basketball team members . But even in SoCal I don’t remember Mexicans . The gardeners in Beverly Hills were all Japanese. Gemini says in 1950 the USA was 88% White European ..you know , the men who in rented and built …everything ! We are now at 57% . The trend is clear . It should alarm young people because Historically when a majority population becomes the minority,they are not treated well . You,can already see it with the hatred toward White straight men .
My hopes are dashed . In 1994 California has a referendum on “ no more Mexicans “ . Prop 187 . It passed with 60% and amazingly near 40 Hispanics . Nothing happened . The number of Mexicans has tripled since then . Democracy is a joke . A failed experiment . It is only a recent development as the Greeks and Romans discovered early on ..it doesn’t work
Why have you forsaken to understand things that happen fundamentally. You lost me. That goes back to the killing of Renee Good. A killing no more no less. For fucks sake Eugyppius.
People need to take self-responsibility. Staring at a cell phone while wandering onto a busy roadway can also result in “a killing.” Stop looking to the Nanny state to wipe our noses and our butts. I’ll tell you that on the open sea or in 3rd world countries there’s less confusion on these points. Low IQ suffers natural consequences.
Is the intent of we humans in such circumstance to avoid harm, put ourselves into harms way, or simply disregard the possibility of it? Good was playing Russian roulette with her taunting attitude and her 4,000 lb deadly weapon. Seems we are observing a trend onlookers ought to be observant of and learn from. Even animals can watch and alter their path. Maybe with our big brains we can too.
I understand your attitude, and am genuinely curious how you would see both of these incidents proceeding had the shootings not happened.
The protesters are intentionally pushing the envelope. If the envelope just expands, they will be incentivized to keep pushing. Where does everything go? Where will it end?
I suspect that both these killings are set up, or AI generated. I do not believe the Kirk "killing" to be genuine either.
Most of the terrorist atrocities are faked by intelligence in order to bring about the conditions they want. There is ample evidence of crisis actors being used, sometimes the same one repeatedly.
In the present case they want chaos and civil war in the USA.
Do you never question why there is always good footage of these atrocities to spread all over the internet- yet when Epstein "dies" for example all the cameras suddenly misfunction?
And if you doubt the truth of that, you need only look at Abigail Spanberger's first month as governor of Virginia. All the old shitlib madness we thought was finally dead is back, and this time with icepick vengeance.
If they shot someone who was no current threat to them, then yes they did something wrong. We are not yet at literal war, where the mere status of someone being an enemy combatant means you are entitled to shoot them.
We are definitely getting there, some days more quickly than others, but no we are not quite there yet.
Oh, please. The unwarranted shooting of Babbitt is certainly relevant here, and if you have *something of substance* to say regarding that, by all means say it.
But just repeating (for the 10^6 time) a bumper-sticker slogan is merely bullshit distracting clutter.
The Brits have (maybe once had) a rather quaint official "cause of death" called "death by misadventure."
You attend a "demonstration" -- well, more than a demonstration, since you take explicit actions to impede an armed law enforcement operation -- where you ultimately get apprehended by law enforcement and actively resist arrest while armed yourself... while all the while "your side" is busy intentionally creating chaos and confusion with their whistles, screaming, car horns, and continuous duck calls of "what the fuck" (really, they should just print it on flags and tee shirts and save their voices)... and in all the distraction and fog of war (which your "friends" are deliberately creating, mind you), you get shot.
Is this misadventure? It sure sounds like misadventure to me.
Libtards haven't internalized the downside of being Social Justice Warriors -- which is, unlucky warriors get killed, it's right there in the job description.
When one of the law men yelled "Gun!" it became a legal shooting. From the information I have reason to suspect is not likely manipulatively wrong or intended to distort - as False-Witnessing is no longer punished as it should be (public pain and shame - tasered till pissing and screaming) - we generally must assume anything amplified by corporate mass-media and political agents, the type of handgun was removed from the violent criminal and misfired as that type has been known to do.
This guy is known as a 2nd Amendment self-defense specialist lawyer, and I found his general no-nonsense analyses valuable.
There are so many people that should be secured to a pole or tree in public and tasered till pissing and screaming for the intentional false-witnessing that I can't count. Image all those media reporters, media producers, media owners, public 'witnesses', political agents that report unknowns and unknowables as facts, elected political muppets of Zionists and other Satanic minions and their enslaved golems ..
.. imagine if such was the punishment - or worse if lies caused deaths like the Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction war for Zionists .. "Make public Witch-trials and hangings popular again!" (for the unrepenting)
Too bad the wide-spread practice of Witch Trials and public hangings were foolishly ended and false history created that gave them a bad reputation!
Yes. This is the same Mass Formation Psychosis we saw during Covid, egged on by the same politicians, afflicting mostly the same people. It's a reminder that we're already in a kind of war and have been since 2020. Covid was when we learned who these people are, just how 'American' their ideas are and what they're capable of.
That ICU nurse who got himself shot was almost certainly an enthusiastic enforcer of hospital policies forbidding family members to visit their dying loved ones.
Lost in the shuffle of all of this insanity are two things. ICE are not stormtroopers, they are not Trump's Gestapo or any other nonsense. They are a law enforcement division tasked with enforcing the immigration laws created BY CONGRESS. ICE itself was created by the passage of the Patriot Act again BY CONGRESS. So if you have a problem with ICE, you can blame Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all the rest who voted to create this. Second, why is this happening in Minnesota and not say, Tennessee? Because normal, sane governors and local officials arrest illegal immigrants on criminal charges and then contact ICE to see if they have pending removal orders and HAND THEM OVER peacefully for departation. Minnesota and the rest of the "sanctuary" places check to see if they have pending removal orders and then RELEASE THEM back out into society to assist in their violation of the law purposefully because they believe illegal immigrants have special status and special privileges that your or I would never get. This is why ICE appears to be "patrolling the streets looking for brown people" because they are forced to go serve warrants at residences increasing the danger level, to apprehend often violent criminals who should have simply been handed over to them while in custody. And furthermore these people in the streets are not 'protestors.' Protestors go picket in front of City Hall, they do not go into the field and impede law enforcement. If the FBI showed up to arrest the head of the Gambino crime family and a bunch of his 'goombas' parked their cars across the street and honked their horns and tried to "de-arrest" the Don, do you think they would be called protestors by the media?
Excellent . I would only add that for years the Democrat Party has claimed they are “ Saving Democracy “ …yeah …when the vote goes their way .
Spot on about Tennessee and Louisiana. ICE showed up , apprehended targeted immigrants and left . Radio silence . Most of the country didn’t even know .
These "protestors" and their bankrollers have now turned into Hamas, just sending civilians out as cannon fodder to generate outrage and sympathy. IT IS CRAZY!
Exactly what is going on. BTW about the big lie that Obama deported 3 million illegal aliens. These were Mexicans who were caught at the border, and put on a bus back home. Prior to Obama these were not called deportations. Central Americans caught at the border, cannot be sent home immediately. They need to be flown home and this takes logistics.
Trump cut though all this nonsense by using military aircraft to deport back home.
I know quite a few Russians and Eastern Europeans who overstayed their visas, had a traffic violation, and were put on the next plane smoking back to where they came from...could be why it's just brown people (and lots of Asians-Thailand) that ICE looks for...the white ones left when caught...
I live in the South. Most illegals are Latin Americans, especially Mexicans. Of course, most of the people being deported will look like them when they are the largest population of people here illegally in the first place.
I often hear the black and brown rhetoric. There is a reason the optics aren't wrong. Those of European descent came over in floating coffins only to be inspected like cattle at Ellis Island. Old Xers and boomers often had drilled in them gratitude for the sacrifices and hellish conditions their great grandparents experienced. But if you don't see a photo of a 7 year old emerging from a coal mine, you will assume life was always good. For heaven's sake, Karl Marx was writing about pasty white people covered in soot. This is why I find the Nick Fuente types dangerous. They grab hold of a cultural marxist narratives claiming it was always so.
Or you can look at photos of seven-year-old laborers mucking about in toxic African lithium pits -- TODAY -- and realize that although a coal mine isn't what you or I would think of as a good life, it may well represent an improvement over what life originally held for this kid where his parents came from.
Who wakes up in the morning and says “ yo7 know what ? Let me see where armed federal agents are today so I can drive there and get in their faces …oh yeah and be
Not just a loaded gun, but a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. Striker fired polymer frame pistols makee nervous as way too easy to unintentionally discharge.
It's just an unimaginably terrible idea to bring a gun to a protest, especially a disorderly protest like this. Just seems like tempting fate, another incident of insanely risky behaviour.
Just please be honest (even though we Western Europeans can't imagine it), gun carriage and possession is widely spread in the US, it's part of the(ir) unique culture. The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it. It's just another guy killed by the current fascist regime in the US. Terribly sorry to see what the general feeling is among the Eugyppius subscribers as well as Eugyppius himself. A person that generated oxygen over the past few years for me personally. I am honestly lost for words.
I'm not trying to justify the shooting, but I think carrying a concealed weapon into conflict zones with armed police is dangerous, and I know enough about American gun culture (having lived there for a few decades) to know this is the kind of thing the concealed carry crowd discourages doing for exactly this reason.
Eugyppius, good evening, .... carrying weapons on either side of a conflict zone (whomever created that conflict zone, whomever is responsible for that conflict zone, whomever decided to define it as a 'conflict zone', .... is it 'really' a conflict zone...?) is going to create a human mess, sooner or later. I know you are not trying to justify the shooting, I really do. I am just baffled at how you approach this, against the background of a morally corrupt political US regime.
There's nothing morally corrupt about the current administration. There was a lot wrong with the previous one, though. You're getting the "news" from the same people who ran the last "regime" in the US, the most corrupt we've ever seen. They stole an election to install a demented puppet in the White House, while the actual people running the country were unknown to all of us. We had no idea who was running the country, pushing social media to censor political opponents and spin news to favor the Democrats, and using the power of government to wrongly target innocent people and ruin their lives because they dared oppose the party.
Trump is merely enforcing the law, the same law that every country has, the one supported by the large majority of Americans, the one that says that you have to come in to the country legally through a port of entry, and if not, you are subject to removal. The Democrats running Minnesota are bound by duty to assist federal law enforcement, but they refuse to do so, and are harboring federal fugitives. They are in active rebellion against the lawful authority of the federal government doing its job.
No, that's a stupid rationalization. It's legal to carry a can of gasoline around too, but stupid to show up at a burning building with it. It's legal to carry a chainsaw around too, but stupid to show up at a BLM rally with one.
He knew he was going to a violent protest, he intentionally made that decision to wear his gun when it was inappropriate. Would he go to the beach wearing his gun? Would he play ice hockey or football wearing his gun? Would he wear his gun if he was working construction on a roof?
Guns are tools. His wearing that gun to a violent protest rally was as stupid as taking a sledgehammer or chainsaw or scuba tank.
He did not just put the gun on out of habit and wander off. He chose to do a stupid thing.
That is a retarded answer. We cannot control the future, but we sure as hell can increase the odds in our favor.
Going armed to a violent protest with cops, the violently resisting arrest with said cops, decreased Petti's odds of something bad happen. He chose to do those things.
Making excuses shows your collectivist tendencies, that you do not ascribe agency to individuals, that you want to blame everyone else for Petti choosing voluntarily to do stupid things in stupid places at stupid times with stupid people.
He chose. Petti chose. Yet you absolve him of his stupidity and blame everyone else.
Good evening Chartertopia. I hope you are keeping well. It should be anyone's right to resist fascist behaviour. That's how, in part, we got out of both most recent World Wars. The video shows a lone, not backed up by a pack, individual resisting. He did not deserve to die (nor did Renee Good, nor do the people who will be executed next, and there will be). Absolutely true, he was violently scrambling, as would anybody. I do not understand what you mean by 'collectivist tendencies' but I am ready to hear and hopefully understand more of it. No one chooses at 100% voluntarily. Check your emotions the next time you get cut off in traffic, check your emotions. We may think we are in control at all times, we are not. And therefor we rely on professionally trained force to intervene for the better outcome for anyone. I do not absolve Petti nor do I blame everyone else, please read carefully. All the best.
That is fine Tardigrade. I am sure that if we were not confined to the keyboards and screens we find ourselves behind, we could have meaningful conversations to the benefit for both of us.
By the way: are you not the person who is running a channel on micro "things"....? if so you are solely responsible for me buying a microscope for my daughter. Love your channel, apologies if I am confusing with someone else. Love.
How do you know “he didn’t intend to use it”? Carrying it is at minimum intent to intimidate. You may have not seen the many social media posts exorting protestors to stop protesting and get guns and kill these federal officers, but they are certainly aware of the campaign to start a street war. NO ONE with any common sense pro or anti these efforts would EVER carry a loaded weapon to confront federal officers who are armed. Unless they wish social media martyrdom. Some type of error by the officers was certainly made, and it is unfortunate that they are not armed ( as many police are) with tasers as an additional non lethal option at close quarters. These type of events are precisely why state and local police should be cooperating with the federal officers, at least to the point of being present with enough forces to “protect” the protesters, apprehend any lawbreakers among them, and protect the federal officers from mob violence. These type choice by local governments not to provide such is a deliberate dereliction of their duty TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS, a malign neglect intended to cause these events.
There's an old saying that carrying a gun for protection means you're more likely to be shot. The presence of firearms often escalates a confrontation.
We're all well-versed in law enforcement from TV and movies ;) and we know that a perpetrator displaying a gun almost never ends well.
How do you know the protester didn't plan on using his gun? Then why bring it?
I'm sad about all that's going on in Minnesota right now, but people being stupid is not helping at all.
When I was a teenager, I took karate classes for awhile. When we started training with weapons, one thing that our instructor said has stood out to me for almost 40 years--if you bring a weapon to a fight, be prepared for it or one just like it to be used against you.
Dude showed up with a gun to a fight, no one should be surprised he was shot.
I’m curious to learn: how do you know whether or not Pretti planned to use his gun that day? The rest of us know only that he did not get the chance in that struggle.
I can’t say for sure, but it looks to me from one of the vids like he was trying to reach for it a moment before he was shot, and that it may have looked exactly that way to the officer who fired first, also not knowing that Pretti had already been disarmed a half second earlier.
But, of course, you and I have the luxury of slow-motion replay, free from the raw urgency of the moment.
Good evening Martyn, I hope you are keeping well. For the sake of human kind let's ask ourselves the question: did either the victim or the law enforcement agent who fired, get out of bed on the day of the event with the idea of getting killed or kill. I honestly believe for both parties it would be a clear 'no'. Therefor, the cheap "you reap what you sow" rhetorique displayed by many subcribers here is a wrong context framing, that's my humble opinion anyway. Which will not matter in the bigger scale of things. Humans (armed/unarmed) get killed by engaging in discussions with, running away from cops, law enforcements, etc.... since when did we decide that the outcome "death", "unalived".... for this type of human behaviour is acceptable? Wishing you a peaceful evening.
Doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places at stupid times increases the odds of dying stupidly. Petti did all four of those, intentionally. He died stupidly.
He chose to legally wear his gun to a violent protest with police. He chose to violently resist arrest. He made those choice, intentionally, voluntarily, stupidly. He may not have deserved to die; very few people do. But he intentionally, voluntarily, chose to do stupid things with stupid people (your choice as to whether that is the ICE cops or the protesters or both) at a stupid place at a stupid time.
The future is uncertain. We can only affect the odds. Petti chose to effect them not in his favor. His death was entirely on him.
His death was definitely not entirely on him, as was the death (killing, I will not budge from that) from Renee Good. If the future is uncertain, and we can only affect the odds, let us then affect the odds in the spirit of true humanity.
When the police are under constant assault and threat of death, you can expect them to behave more aggressively in their own defense. This is pretty obvious stuff.
Police a few decades ago used to shoot at people who ran away. Now they don't. That does not mean they're a fair target by rioters, though. These so-called "protesters" in Minnesota are rioters, and the local police are not doing their duty to put down that riot and restore peace. They are not doing their duty to assist federal law enforcement in performing their lawful duties in enforcing federal law. They are creating the environment where bad things happen by refusing to do their job in maintaining the peace.
If these riots had been stopped by the state authorities as they should have been, there would have been no deaths. The state instead chose to stir the pot and encourage the rioters while doing nothing to stop their unlawful activities, including threatening and interfering with ICE agents who have been threatened with death repeatedly in the last few weeks.
Are you in favor of Democracy and elections ? Perhaps Renée Good and this guy voted for Harris a more illegal immigration . They lost . They get to vote again in 4 years . In the meantime “ Suck it up “ …like I did four 4 years as the Great unwashed Brown faces streamed into my country looking for free stuff .
Every American knows (due to endless video snippets) that in a situation where a group of armed police are dealing with a "perp," if even a single one of the police yells "GUN!" it is almost a certainty that a good deal of fireworks are about to go off, and the perp is more or less sure to meet their maker.
'The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it.'
This sounds like projection or wishful thinking. It is also undermined by the fact that he brought two extra clips. Or why did he bring any bullet at all? Or why did he bring a gun at all?
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Americans aren’t walking around with guns on their hips. If you interfere with law enforcement, armed no less, there’s a good chance you’re going to get hurt and maybe killed. Immensely stupid.
John good evening. I know what I am saying. It may not suit your beliefs or experiences, I am willing to agree to that. Why should interfering or standing up against law enforcement lead to bodily harm or being killed? That's where I do not follow nor understand. Law enforcement is made up of humans, humans make mistakes, plenty of them.... on both ends of the spectrum. There's plenty of evidence out there of trigger happy law enforcement agents. Selection, education, training and awareness of the difficulties/complex situations to follow on the daily job is crucial/elementary. Likewise, I have seen morons/idiots/good for nothing challenging/teasing/insulting law and authority just because they can. I do not defend either of them.
I’m not a law enforcement apologist. But if they are involved in an active law enforcement activity, they are under stress. If confronted with a threat, such as a gun or a vehicle or even a belligerent person, they are going to react in a manner to protect themselves and others. Every law enforcement situation for an officer is potentially dangerous. If you interfere, you’re taking a risk of getting hurt. It’s just not smart to do that. It actually doesn’t get more stupid than to interfere with law enforcement while carrying a gun. High likelihood you will be shot and killed.
If you bring a condom to your date and open up the packaging, what do you think the intention might be?
Many Eugyppius subscribers are American as you mentioned. We take 2A rights and responsibilities very seriously. One way you know this to be true is the judicial push and pull going on in our courts over small details of the Law, though these cases don’t usually make mainstream news. Certainly not European news.
I didn't see anyone opening the proverbial condom packaging other then the so called law enforcement agents. And let's be serious and grown up here for a moment, following your analogy, what bunch of women/men (4, 5 or more persons) would feel threatened by a single person on the ground, overpowered by the bunch of 4 , 5 or more, trying to draw a condom/gun....? Serious reality check: even though I don't necessarily agree with the way things are handled in the UK, ... ordinary cops don't carry guns (whatever is thrown at them). Maybe a less Western Cowboy approach to law enforcement in the US would benefit the next victims to come.
Also in UK there are have been police no-go zones for 20-30 years because regular police cannot defend themselves in what are essentially theocratic-cartel neighborhoods. How does that serve the safety of Britains?
Sorry, you aren't making sense. Responsible carry is one thing, and most of us take it very seriously. Foolish decisions are quite another thing. The deceased was actively engaged in obstructing law enforcement and had been for some time. He foolishly chose to physically interact with an officer and resisted the ensuing arrest. In the confusion, he was identified as a threat and shot. Responsible carry is a choice.
First, you would not bring a semi-automatic 9MM and two clips to a "peaceful" protest against law enforcement, and you certainly would not physically approach those officers to impede them, unless you were intending to shoot those officers, or you had some death wish.
I think in Renée Good case she thought “ I’m a white liberal gay woman “ as if that made her immune . She woke up , checked on where armed men with badges were , then drove there , blocked their cars , smiled crazily and danced as the officers told her to exit the car , then Drove away …who does that ? How do you get to be 37 and know nothing ?
Exactly right. This was suicide by cop. Probably the man-boy wished to either increase his opinion of himself through challenging the authorities (due to a lack of integrity and/or courage exhibited in other areas of his life) or he wished for a heroic obituary in the Minneapolis newspapers.
Showed up armed to a confrontation with federal agents, expect such outcomes. The amount of people today twisting themselves into knots trying to make this guy seem innocent when he in fact loaded a pistol and then went to confront federal law enforcement lawfully discharging their duties - anyone doing that was looking for violence. And he found it. Try to stop the feds while carrying a weapon has a very predictable outcome, Dems encouraging their plebs to arm themselves and then confront agents have blood on their hands. They must really be neck deep in fraud and criminality to resort to desperation like this. Make no mistake, they are asking we the public to accept the authority of armed left wing randos to stop the Federal Government whenever they feel like it. Amazing that we’ve come to this.
Correct ,I had to sit back for four years and watch barefoot low IQ brown faces stream across the Rio Grande and walk in and get free food housing medical care …all on my dime . My turn now . Renee Good thought that somehow being a white liberal gay woman gave her the “ moral high ground “ to subvert what I and million of others voted for .to see the back of the heads of the Great Unwashed .
I like to turn things around in order to think about them. So right now I'm imagining the 2A crowd rising up against an authoritarian government force, and what the liberals would have to say about it...
Edit to add: from replies, I think my comment was misunderstood. I'm just thinking in terms of the hypocrisy of the democratic reaction where the situation reversed.
5 years ago this month my cousin informed me he was going to go to J6 and that he was going to be armed, you can imagine the hyperbolic reasoning behind such an intent. I spent two hours with him on the phone talking him down, I especially made the point to him that showing up armed in public at an event where there is even the potential of a confrontation with LE will be presumed by authorities as intent to do violence to LE and in no case will you ever be the innocent party in the event something goes wrong. Your mere armed presence is sufficient grounds to presume the worst. Same applies here, and that will not change. The Dems are fools to expect the government and the public to accept this, arguing that Pretti was in any way a victim here is tantamount to insurrection. It’s why I think the desperation runs deeper than acknowledged.
As a 2A supporter if I’m bringing my weapon to fight law enforcement (even justly) then I expect law enforcement to respond with deadly force. I’m saying we have entered the one side wins zone. I don’t have a lot of issues on the 2A front. He was interfering with police while carrying a weapon. Things can go wrong quickly and they did.
Yes, that is my sense, they are pushing this to a place where one side must lose, and lose it all. They have already announced their intention to imprison everyone in the Trump Administration and even federal law enforcement officials should they ever get back into power, so they took away any off ramp the Administration might have used even if they were so inclined. Now to give an inch would be literal suicide.
I liken these anti-ICE protests as similar to the Boston Tea Part of 1773 which arguably triggered the war of independence. The colonists tarred and feathered Stamp Act agents and customs collectors. It's all in a very noble tradition of fighting against the government.
Except the colonists were fighting taxation without representation. These people are fighting a duly elected representative government. One was fighting for the popular will, the other is fighting against it. They are not the same.
Ok, I know this post isn’t exactly on what actual mechanics led to shooting the suspect in the back on an icy Minnesota street. I’m just looking from a bird eye view as a proper tort action would include that if Governor Walz and Mayor Frey had actually used their law enforcement to protect the federal officers doing their job, none of this would happen. If Walz had illegal immigrants actually handed over to ICE at the jailhouse as required by federal law, before being released, none of this would happen. The shooting happened in front of a dilapidated building that house 184 presumably illegal healthcare front that reaped millions every year. The protestors are using a Signal platform to track license plates and debank certain individuals, all with using state resources and databases to accomplish this. The Signal chat was hacked by @0hour1 and it showed many city officials involved in the malfeasance. It is highly coordinated with quadrants and food and hot drinks, etc. So this individual was deployed and actively ordering cars to block ICE.
All of these things I described are chargeable under federal law, but by hook or by crook, AG Bondi will not do it. It would require competence and excellent writers who work with speed to dismantle this entire affray. Is she incompetent or incompetent by design? I do wish JD would get someone in her office to finally write and file these things, I’m sure he’s frustrated beyond belief. So many charges, so many!
This January in my part of Britain has been the darkest I can remember. We’ve maybe had two or three days when the sun has been visible, otherwise the murk has been overwhelming. It can be very wearing and I sympathise with you.
This is also true for South Wales where I live, as well as for the Midlands, according to friends living there: it;s dispiriting, and even the resident robin is late with his morning song and not sounding chipper at all.
Still ... won't be long and we can moan about the clocks going forward.
So, sure, it’s tragic that there may have been someone needlessly die. But let’s not forget that the guy who was shot decided to show up with a gun and try to interfere with law enforcement. I don’t think this situation would’ve ended any better if he’d done this with regular police who were trying to arrest a criminal. Bring a gun out with law enforcement and then interfere with their operations and resist arrest, and bad things will happen.
One criminal lawyer on YT has pointed out that even undercover cops have been shot by uniformed cops...
If these were football games, what goes on afterwards would be referred to as armchair quarterbacking...if one is not in the heat at the time, one really cannot know...
As sad as it is, I doubt the political left in the U.S. cares one bit that this man has lost his life. I am more confident that they are happy to have another martyr they can use to ratchet up the rhetoric. Sadly, useful idiots like Pretti pay with their lives while the coordinators of this chaos secretly celebrate, thinking this might be a trigger to unleash more of these protests nationwide. Living and operating in their bubble seems to convince them that they are supported by a majority. Whether or not this is true, I don't know - but I doubt it.
I saw a recent poll in which US voters are now roughly 25% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 50% independent. It's open to speculation how many of those independents are in the blue bubble.
To be honest, I have struggled to understand all this ICE stuff, what with not being an American and not being in the USA. The ICE people are some sort of border force policemen who have been tasked with finding and deporting illegal immigrants? Whilst doing so they are being hassled by what appear to be mostly middle-aged, middle-class women and blokes who look like geography teachers. They appear to oppose the removal of illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants presumably don't want to leave but don't appear to be the ones waving guns around or driving large motor cars. Why are people objecting to the rounding up of illegal immigrants who arrived illegally and, presumably, live on benefits, handouts and black-market work (which undercuts legal citizens)? I would quite like the ICE people to come over to the UK (although probably without their guns - big sticks would be safer) as I think we Brits would be easier to pacify and our illegals are mostly easy to locate, what with being lodged at our expense in nice hotels and hostels.
Google Cloward-Piven for starters. There are many articles regarding what is going on in the Western countries...I would recommend ZeroHedge on Telegram.
You wouldn't believe it, but the biggest crisism I heard from white people suffering from suicidal empathy (more like narcissism) is the optics. They don't like people being dragged off in public and equates it to authoritarianism. These people aren't serious people. There's even talk now that this will threaten the republicans' majority in the senate and that they will lose their majority come mid terms
They are literally brainwashed by the media to do the dirty work of the corporations and criminals extracting wealth from our country and law-abiding citizens, and they are too stupid and caught up in their feelings to realize it.
Bertrand Jouvenel discusses the alliance of the high and low classes of a population to control the middle. Who are these groups in America and Europe? The land-owning majority white population is the middle group. The identity of the high group is obvious based on America’s foreign policy. The low group are immigrants and people of color who are mostly dependents. If you no longer need a troublesome middle-class that depends workers’ protections in a global, technological economy, then you can manipulate the low group to eliminate the middle-class and then dispose of the useful idiots after your revolution.
Trump was only elected to get the sons of America back on the army plantation. The people who run the empire know that it is falling apart, that the woke golem has turned on them, and needs our sons to fight the Chinese and the Russians for their empire of usury.
The cause of most things in the world is general and specific idiocy, greatly enhanced by the boundless lack of courage of people who go into politics, and that's mostly because people who go into politics do so because they haven't the courage to engage in truly challenging, even dangerous endeavors while wanting the adulation of others.
Meanwhile the adversaries of normal life as healthy people conceive of one have the ruthless cunning to inexorably advance their goals while their purported opponents go squish.
If I were a crude and vulgar woman I'd say we'll just continue to be fucked over as usual.
'Meanwhile the adversaries of normal life as healthy people conceive of one have the ruthless cunning to inexorably advance their goals while their purported opponents go squish.'
Don’t approach armed law enforcement officers with a firearm. Especially when they have been targets and have recently had their colleagues shot and killed. Also don’t point your vehicle at them either and then accelerate. LDS, Liberal Derangement Syndrome!
I went over this last night, with extreme slo-mo videos and whatnot:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/minnesota-shooting-seemingly-caused
To me it looks like the disarming officer accidentally discharges the weapon as he's turning to leave the scene, and that causes the other officers (who just heard GUN!) to start firing.
But make no mistake, this is exactly what Walz and Frey have been hoping for.
Right, this also theory I find most convincing.
Gonna frame this comment and hang it on my wall.
That theory must've originated with you, I think? Didn't realise, some guys in a GC were talking about it. Anyway, I've linked your post, good analysis.
I doubt very much I was the first person in the world to come up with it, and I've seen others today talking about it who don't read my Substack -- so I think it was almost certainly floating around somewhere else.
Until offered another well-vetted theory, I'm sticking with yours. Nice sleuthing!
ditto
As you should! Well earned!
I don't care. That's my ultimate position at this point. I just don't fucking care about these retards getting shot.
Sometimes the penalty for being an idiot is death. Pretti found that out yesterday, Good found that out a week or two ago, and it's very likely that quite a few more people will discover that over the next month or so. And I just have too much shit in my own life to give a fuck about idiots dying in service of fucking around and trying to destroy my country.
I realize it's not the most empathic perspective, but here we are anyway. They've just worn out my ability to care.
Good was cosplaying with armed cops in a tense situation, and her spouse shouted "Drive, baby, drive!" Stupidity doubled is still stupid.
Petti went armed to a standoff with cops, then fought arrest. It's hard to imagine any other outcome.
Unfortunately, stupidity makes the news, the media welcomes it, twists it all out of shape, and makes money from the capitalist system they profess to hate.
Exactly! Her girlfriend was heard afterwards, screaming “why did you have real bullets?”
They think they are having a little cosplay adventure or maybe playing a video game, while the law enforcement officers are chasing down and arresting violent criminals.
Yes. Basically don’t play stupid games. Showing up there armed and getting into a confrontation wasn’t smart. Mistakes can and will be made.
Exactly. At Defcon 2004, I went out into the Nevada desert with a bunch of friends to shoot guns and blow up watermelons and Tannerite, which is a commercially available binary explosive. Someone called the police, they showed up in SUVs and a bloody helicopter, and we were clearly *very* well armed. As in, we had more firearms than they brought actual police officers, let alone the amount of ammo we had for each one.
None of us, including the folks there who were foreign nationals, got shot, or even arrested. Because we were calm, and polite, and respectful. We got angry and loud and rude *afterwards*, I'll grant. But at the time, we behaved in a sane fashion, and were not harmed.They even let us sit in the shade of the tailgate of their SUV while they investigated, and thereby avoid a significant sunburn.
To elaborate on your point . These people were set up by the organizations to which they belonged . They were brainwashed ( not difficult) as to some higher cause . Antifa got just what they wanted …Chaos .
Now to Renée Good . I believe that she thought that being a white liberal gay woman gave her some immunity. I agree Warmek …stupid . Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ? She then honks her horn and dances madly smiling in her car and then refuses orders to exit the car .Worse she tries to drive away ? How do you get to be 37 and be sooo fn dumb . Oh. Yeah ..she had three children and did this ..God forbid she was home baking cookies ..never! What ? Male patriarchy? Bake cookies ? Yeah dumb Schitt …you be alive
" Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ?" Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people in Minnesota. A state I will never, ever visit.
Agreed.
You can protest all you like, but don't carry a Sig Sauer with 2 mags when you "protest".
Nope, that doesn’t go far enough.
You can protest, carry a pistol, and extra magazines just fine.
Just don’t interfere with law enforcement officers while doing any of the above.
Or at all.
There are exactly two legitimate avenues for a citizen to direct or contest law enforcement actions : to the elected official giving them orders, and to the specific court with jurisdiction.
Taking direct action is asking to die.
In 2010, fifteen thousand people showed up for one of the early TEA party protests downtown in my city. 3,000 were armed. Law enforcement everywhere. Nary an incident.
It’s not the guns.
Probably the TEA party protest people didn't think they were being The Resistance Against The Evil Fascist In The White House. If you whip yourself up into a frenzy of Orange Man Must Be Fought And Defeated, you'll probably do very unwise things at some point.
I spoke to many of them. Actually, they did think they were the resistance, and that’s precisely why they were there.
And still, nary an incident.
I repeat. It’s not the firearms.
I would put the same idea differently.
1. I care. Sad to see loss of life, even if they acted like morons with no common sense.
2. ICE must still enforce the law.
Way more deaths reduced that way.
3. We must make the blue states use police to set a barrier around ICE. This is std procedure!!
Or just cooperate with ICE detainers. It's rather surreal that people support a policy where criminal illegal immigrants are protected from ICE. Working with ICE on detainers is the ideal scenario because then there's minimal risk to everyone involved.
Honesty is the best policy. Of course insanity is a better defense.
:)
I feel like you, Warmek. I have no energy to care anymore. Severe compassion fatigue.I don't want it to change me as a person, so I just have to shut it down.
Turns out that taking a walk in a construction zone is also a risk and not to be advised. As is gluing your hands to the pavement on an expressway.
c20,000 murders annually in the US - many premeditated, cruel beyond belief and gruesome - but the world loses its mind over a couple of idiots getting shot when protesting on behalf of millions of illegals brought into the US to destroy it.
Because major media is captured and the narratives are highly orchestrated.
i feel the same way -- the MN people refuse to cooperate with ICE, so ICE has a choice -- give up or persist. Giving up would send the message that Trump will give up if you just send enough martyrs to kill themselves. certainly a bad precedent that will lead to more martyrs. Or, ICE officers can become the martyrs, refusing to use force until...until I don't know, a bunch of them are dead I guess. Then Trump will be accused of sending "men to their death." So ... both sides like the current situation of FAFO. This is the Democrats last stand, here in MN, so I do feel like a lot is at stake. If Republicans cave on this, then...game over for them. Democrats here still hold most of the actual power and influence, and their money comes direct from the Treasury.
I don't know what the federal government should do. At this point it seems like intervening would set off violence and not intervening invites people in other states to do the same. There must be more possible responses.
Your last sentence is where the focus should be.
And if a few looters had been shot on site during their crimes there probably would be fewer lootings. At least it works that way in Florida during hurricane season
The only difference between what is happening in Minnesota and January 6th is that the J6ers didn't have guns.
There is another big difference. In Minnesota, the protesters are opposing law enforcement to protect criminals. The J6ers were opposing the criminals who have corrupted our elections (this is largely bipartisan, although it seems to be more D than R at the moment). The similarity is only in the protesters being the ones getting killed.
The Minnesota rioters have hundreds of NGO's and leftist bureaucrats supporting and financing them. Big bucks weekly for key rioters. With our tax dollars that have been laundered through these organizations. (See Craigslist if your looking for the gig). Free food, lodging and transportation. Bureaucrats are supplying them access to state records of ice officers and targeted citizens (see Data Republican on X).
Lots and lots of support and planning in Minnesota backed by leftist politicians and bureaucrats. It's the conspiracy that'll get them.
DC was a bunch of out of town people wandering off to the Capitol where FBI plants ushered them in. Not one of them charged for "insurrection" because there wasn't one. They were all charged with trespassing or similar.
Big, big differences.
And yet they STILL got shot.
It's more about the public opinion battle. The USA today is made up of a pretty questionable bunch, no doubt, but unfortunately they matter. We appear to have irreconcilable differences almost across the board. Still, the future of Trump's many successes depend on public opinion (or on implementing an entirely new system, if that's on your table).
We do NOT have irreconcilable differences. These folks are being paid to do this. It's an attempt at election nullification. They don't like illegal immigration enforcement? Juat give them Barack Obama's rebuke to Eric Kantor - "I won."
In concurrence, JD Vance said it perfectly.
“I really don’t care, Margret.”
The problem here is that the democrat media, which still has meaningful reach, is exclusively selling the narrative that these are murders, the enforcement operations are illegitimate, and Trump is hitler.
And the latter is what everybody should care about - the disastrous fallout this causes through media coverage.
FAFO!
Wait until the fascists come for you! At this point they have different targets but they'll always turn on "disloyal" cult members when convenient.
Republicans don't call people "disloyal," so there's no reason to put it in quotation marks. It's coming from you. Progressives, though, sure are quick to call people "traitors," and sure are quick to turn on any one of their own suspected of being a hair away from orthodoxy. Must be the Iron Law of Woke Projection.
The Iron Law of Woke Projection. That, sir, is a swift and efficient bite-sized piece of description that I shall surely employ!
Enforcing immigration law is not fascism. What the fuck is wrong with you?
They're deranged, poorly trained, as one of them said after the murder yesterday "...it's like "call of duty"! They're like the IDF, killing innocent civilians for sport.
If what you assert is true, why are elected leaders like Walz and Frey not calling on the public to go home and stay safe? Would you go to a "protest" and obstruct the work of lunatics with guns ready to murder everyone in their way? Instead, they are urging the "protesters" on, posing further risk to all involved. By the way, a protest is when you stand or march peacefully to make your opinion known, not get in front of a moving police car or a wantsandwarrants squad to obstruct their work. Who is deranged? Don't want none, don't start none.
Give me a spunky, passionate, gutsy "liberal" willing to put their neck on the line for others than the "Hallmark channel" spineless people that are all too common these days. Illegals should be dealt with in a legal, rational way if they are, but all Trump's claims about the hoards of criminals and mental patients released to stream into our country are a warped pipe dream--the evidence just is not there for the proven liars and psychos around him.
You are completely deranged.
"They're poorly trained" is the new talking point, I've noticed.
You mean the fascist left of course.
The fascists are already coming for us, like they did with Charlie Kirk.
I agree. And I think it’s going to get worse. I read the other day that New York City has a similar well-run and finances organization, and that they are gearing up for similar anarchy right now. I wish I could link the article but I don’t remember what it was, sorry
Turns out the Petti was part of a group actively interfering with ICE operations in Minneapolis. Group is apparently run by a Walz operative. OMG gained access to their Signal Chat.
Highly recommend everybody to read/listen to that Signal Chat -- it shows exactly how organized these people are.
https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093523733733474
Looked this up last night. Federal violations:
18 USC 111 (“Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees.”),
18 U.S.C. § 231, (which prohibits acts to obstruct, impede, or interfere with law enforcement officers or firefighters during a civil disorder) &
18 USC 372 (criminalizes conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer (in the context of interfering with their duties, akin to 18 U.S.C. § 111).
All felonies.
"Conspiracy" is what came to my mind. And it is not small.
That's exactly the correct word.
I have a whiny post further down about this lol
Sig Sauer apparently has had multiple lawsuits about that particular gun misfiring- even without touching the trigger. I saw a video (where of course, this could be doctored), but he got it to fire without touching the trigger and only touching the barrel. Some of the lawsuits are from law enforcement officers.
Yep. I linked a few of those articles in my breakdown. Many police departments actually stopped using that model because of the issue.
And yet not a single person has been able to cause even one of the Sig guns to accidentally fire without pulling the trigger. Some idiot "modified" one and was able to get it to fire by poking things inside the gun. That doesn't count. This was not a case of a gun "just going off".
I am not so sure about that, but obviously if it's proven that the officer pulled the trigger he should be on the hook for that. (Indeed, he's the only one who could POSSIBLY be facing criminal charges, IMO)
FWIW, it seems that this theory is gaining some traction today.
https://nypost.com/2026/01/25/us-news/alex-prettis-sig-p320-may-have-gone-off-accidentally-experts-suggest/
Rob Dobar, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, said he believes that Pretti’s gun went off after the agent grabbed it, leading the other agent to open fire.
“I believe it’s highly likely the first shot was a negligent discharge from the agent in the grey jacket after he removed the Sig P320 from Pretti’s holster while exiting the scene,” Dobar said on X.
and this is one reason why you should never bring a gun if you want to express your displeasure with the police! Wrong place, wrong time. I'm looking forward to reading your analysis!
I know for a fact that the US military ordered those weapons to stop being used for at least a while, because I have to pass through an armed checkpoint every day I go into work, which is on a US Air Force base. And at one point a few months ago, all of the airmen were carrying their M4s instead of just pistols for a bit.
That dead airman turned out to be a homicide/ND that the perp lied about and blamed the gun.
Sig does pretty extensive testing on their guns these days, and it's very easy to accidentally discharge a handgun when you're scuffling with it. Seems way more likely to me than the gun going off on its own.
That was older models of the P320, like several years ago and SIG sent out fixes and fixed the gun going forward. I might also add this gun has an aftermarket trigger and god knows what else he did internally. I have 2 320’s modded as well, and *if* I was allowed to or lived in a free country I would in no way use my 320 as a carry gun. Lightening the trigger is for competition or a range toy only.
I fear I have zero sympathy for anyone who decides to fight with armed government officers, police, soldiers or John Wayne.
Particularly if that 'anyone' is carrying a gun, with or without a permit.
I have a great deal of sympathy for actual citizen revolutionaries rebelling against a tyrant, even with unpermitted weapons. The recent uprising in Iran is an example.
These people in Minnesota and other cities are interfering in perfectly legitimate deportations.
Please search for “The Narrative Initiative” started and perfected in MN before being exported nationally. (Can’t link here for some reason) There is a reason it all starts in MN. If the state would cooperate, Ice would be here and gone. No one is asking why the state isn’t cooperating. Notice how the fraud story link to MN has disappeared? As a Minnesotan, I’m tired of being used for far left agendas as well as the ignorance of the city and suburban dwellers blindly following in suicidal empathy.
I think without the illegals, the entire party collapses because the fraud will become unsustainable.
That's why they're fighting so hard.
What’s missing is any video from before the altercation. I think it matters. Did the woman, or others in that group, do something that endangered others? Did they stand on front of traffic, warn the target of the operation, or physically interfere in the arrest, thus justifying their own arrest? Or were they simply protesting, and the officers got mad and attacked them? They seemed to be want to “get” Mr, Pretti. I’m not saying he deserved to get shot. It’s very sad, and like Ms. Good, seemed like a decent though naive person. But I want to know, were they trying to carry out a justified arrest, or were they simply acting like jack booted thugs?
The man was in the middle of the road directing SUVs to form a barrier at one point.
https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/2015440343383093738
I have not watched it in slow motion. But from what I can gather, it could have fired accidentally, then everything went to hell
Yep. The situation is made more complex by the fact that particular gun has a habit of going off without a trigger pull, so we can't state outright that the officer was being negligent with the gun.
Some politicians want this to happen sadly
Yep. And people behind the politicians, too.
Those pallets of bricks didn't show up out of nowhere.
There are factions of people -- in this country and around the world -- who are actively fomenting this chaos because they want to take control of whatever comes next.
> that particular gun has a habit of going off without a trigger pull
Wait, WHAT?????
Yep.
https://www.thetrace.org/2024/06/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit-safety-issues/
Gunmaker SIG Sauer Found Liable in Shooting Accident
A Georgia jury concluded that the company had failed to adequately warn consumers about the risk of its most popular gun, the P320, unintentionally discharging.
Yeah, known design flaw in some manufacturing runs. SIG P320.
Not true. Sig has been fully vindicated. If the gun went off someone pulled the trigger.
No striker-fired gun is truly drop safe, but the early models of this gun were particular susceptible to firing when dropped. Since then though, they've added a lot of drop safety features.
People (including law enforcement) ND all the time, especially in stressful situations. 999/1000, its user error.
Is any gun really drop safe? I know a range officer in Rochester who was killed after a CZ Shadow 1 didn’t go correctly into the competitors holster and fell on the hammer and killed my friend. My double action revolver might be as it has no spur. guns are not toys to be dropped
That I did not know
It's long viral, to the point where if you just websearch the words sig p320, 95% of the hits will be reports on this issue.
> early models of this gun were particular susceptible to firing when dropped
I was not aware of this, thanks!
Why this wasn't a trigger for immediate recall is beyond me, though.
It was widely publicized that any and all guns were repaired for free. The internet is not known for telling you the whole story.
> It was widely publicized that any and all guns were repaired for free.
Then the liability is mostly on the owners (including issuing departments) if they didn't do so.
SIG is not on my radar; I mostly pay attention to Ruger, S&W, and KelTec (for personal reasons.)
If he wasn't there, carrying a gun- he wouldn't have been shot.
I'm deleting my comment because it seems less and less clear that the information I was relying on was correct.
I highly recommend SimCom's article! Also, read his linked article about the Sig P320's unfortunate habit of going off unexpectedly. Like most intelligent people on here, I see the situation as being a tragic, but totally preventable accident. The useful idiots are continuing to do useful idiot stuff and the Leftists are thrilled about it. Their number one goal is to provoke civil war. If Kristi Noeme were to ask me what to do, I'd tell her to simply stop the paramilitary tactics and continue their work undercover....
Thanks. The SIG P320 is famous for unintentional firing. The cop undoubtedly had good trigger discipline (trigger finger straight along the frame), as all of us gun nuts do. I even do this with my electric drill, it's so ingrained.
Your comment prompted the thought of applying, by analogy, the primary assumption of risk theory used in sports, which I find fitting, as so much of this seems like a grisly sporting event. In some states, including, oddly enough, California, if one participates in a sport known to have significant risks, one assumes the risk of death or injury that arises out of such risks. One doesn't even need to sign a waiver for this to be true. So the widow of a rock climbing student who plunges to his death due to the screw-up of his instructor is barred from suing. This is true even if the instructor was negligent - but not reckless. People are often surprised at this. They want to ski the Black Diamond run and sue if they are injured. I am all for protecting the Constitutional right to protesting just like I want to protect one's right to the freedom of expression through sports. But there is responsibility for choices. One can protest in a sympathetic Church, outside an official office, in the park, and on the sidewalks, but if one ups the ante from the bunny or mid-range slope to a run that skiers are told to avoid, my vote is you assume the risk.
Sadly today cops spook me because I known, a Jane Doe public, I spook them. I am an ancient Gen-Xer. I remember the days when cops would pull you over and make you dump your beer or laugh at you that the weed you thought you had was actually something your dealer pulled from his mom’s spice rack. Those are long gone. When my kid got his driver's license, I gave strict instructions on what to do if pulled over. The days of being obnoxiously confrontational or flirty are long over.
Complete bs, no significant journalist believes this crap!
Here are a couple sharp commentators yesterday on it:
https://substack.com/@deanblundell/p-185692259 https://substack.com/@thelefthook/p-185684384
The smug gestapo like tactics by the undertrained thugs and criminals that are hiding behind masks are the villains and no amount of propaganda will change that: https://substack.com/@steveschmidt/p-185727901
Sorry nobody's gonna watch an hour and a half video.
If they made good points, just repeat them.
pfft.
For more context on on the Sig P320 safety concerns due to unintentional discharge (generated by Grok):
The handgun recovered from Alex Pretti, the 37-year-old individual fatally shot by federal agents during the January 24, 2026, incident in Minneapolis, was identified as a SIG Sauer P320.  This model has been the subject of extensive reporting in gun-related and law enforcement publications regarding safety concerns, including allegations of a “hair trigger” sensitivity and unintended discharges where the pistol fires without the trigger being pulled.
Key examples include:
• Multiple investigations and lawsuits highlighting over 80 incidents of the P320 discharging unintentionally, often while holstered or during handling, as detailed in firearms policy reporting. 
• Reports of the pistol firing on its own in military and law enforcement contexts, with no trigger pull involved, leading to injuries among users.  
• A specific lawsuit from a police officer claiming a holstered P320 discharged due to a “hair trigger,” causing injury without any contact with the trigger. 
• Broader coverage in law enforcement outlets discussing the P320’s design flaws, prompting some agencies to reconsider its use and leading to temporary suspensions in military units following accidental firings.   
Being armed and deliberately provocative to other armed men in a situation that’s balanced on a knife edge is asking for trouble.
He put the quarter I’m the jukebox so he gets to dance to the tune.
Why was he armed? Whom did he intend to shoot? He was obviously planning violence.
1...2,3,4...5....6,7,8,9
He was lying on the floor after the third shot. He was dead. Coincidence?! Fear?! What about the other 6 bullets fired? Into the body on the floor?! Does it supposedly match Walz? I know it certainly doesn't match his family. And I'm writing this, from Croatia, someone who knows what bullets and grenades fired in the streets sound like. No armchair theorist. By the way, I don't have a gun and I never will, but I know how to shoot and I'm going to the shooting range. This is a disgrace for the alleged agents. If these are your federal agents, and they fire 10 bullets at the arrested guy - I really wish you all the best. That's all.
It's difficult to imagine what it's like to be right fucking there. Pretty easy to be judgy. The main point being why that poor schmuck thought bringing a gun to confront the police would end in any other outcome. True in Croatia too, que no?
No, it is not difficult to "imagine". I was in similar situation many times. If agents have confirmed info that this guy was some terrorist or wanted - then you don't ask and don't try to put him and other person in the ground.
10 shoots is execution, looks like mafia done before to scare public and to send some message. In situation like this in this city, if you have licence for gun, and gun, and go to work - you didn't take gun with you? Oh, yes. I would each time. And, those ICE agents - what is really their job? To arrest and intercept people leaving work? Are they trained for this? I don't think so - because all of them run away, and only one can not stop shooting. Again - 10 shoots?!
And I don't care about any side here, I do not say that I'm on side of public, either on side of ICE agents. I just say that was not a profi-job. This ICE agents were scary and reacted in panic. This is very, very bad.
friend enemy distinction. the agents did nothing wrong, but even if they did, i don’t care about anything bad happening to my enemies and i don’t see why i should extend them a fairness they would never give to me
I'm not going to hyperventilate about it, but I like to understand things that happen fundamentally.
Excellent . It’s complicated . These 2 Minnesota people were set up . A nation wide organization ( call it Antifa for argument sake ) has been set up in “ sanctuary cities “ to subvert ICE . They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE . We can get lost in the weeds analyzing video . The bigger picture is a democratic operation is being subverted . Compare this to the ICE operation in Louisiana where local police and officials co operate . No riot . No scene . Targeted illegal Immigrants were apprehended and ICE left . The rest of the country did not even know . The NYT and MSM didn’t even bother to cover the operation. It’s a war here in the USA . A war that should be happening in Germany if anyone there cares about Germanic culture …an amazing culture .
Yes, "They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE" but this goes much deeper than Democrats verses Republicans, illegals have been allowed and encouraged to flood here since the 1965 immigration bill and no Zionist controlled administration, Congress law-makers, Justice or Federal powerful has done or tried to do anything to change the flooding of lawless easily exploited and abused cheap low skill labor, as legal immigration laws imports cheaper higher-skilled labor. Increase crime, destroy unified communities, inject peoples hostile to traditional majority-white Christian based cultures ..
Remember that President Trump stop ICE from exercising the laws when the illegals were being abused by hotels and farmers? I picked peppers beside migrant workers and could double the minimum wage other jobs in area were paying by working hard one summer between HS, I was sorry when all the work was done - Americans can and would do those jobs, and we could report employers abuses. ..
Anyway, As long as wages will not be forced up, or employers can still abuse workers, and housing costs stay cripplingly high, and social-services are taxed towards failure, and crimes stay high, and medical services are taxed, .. .. as long as all those things and culture and political and racial and other fighting destroys the West - Zionists will allow some illegals to be removed.
There has been a coordinated slow genocide of Western majority-white Christian-based peoples and cultures that accelerated from the late 1950s once the basic roots had been poisoned; education, media, religion, freedom to live in similar communities, family & local & Church mutual support, elder wisdom good & respected, ...
Look at the patterns. I argue that the destructive forces have always been harming and soul-murdering us. Since 1960s there have been so many genocidal policies .. with 1.5 Billions dead.
Audio overview of article on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64DKR7CCccE
" .. Indigenousness Traditional Majority-White Christian-Based Western Cultural Genocide Apologetic" https://stevenwork.substack.com/p/multiverse-journal-index-number-2234 https://archive.is/k8BCx
God Bless., Steve
Yes it is deliberate . White Europeans are being replaced . I’m 79 . My high schools was 100% white ( Gemini) ..not 90 or 80 ..100% .Mostly Jewish and Italian . When I got to UCLA in 1965 it was mostly white . I mean black football and basketball team members . But even in SoCal I don’t remember Mexicans . The gardeners in Beverly Hills were all Japanese. Gemini says in 1950 the USA was 88% White European ..you know , the men who in rented and built …everything ! We are now at 57% . The trend is clear . It should alarm young people because Historically when a majority population becomes the minority,they are not treated well . You,can already see it with the hatred toward White straight men .
My hopes are dashed . In 1994 California has a referendum on “ no more Mexicans “ . Prop 187 . It passed with 60% and amazingly near 40 Hispanics . Nothing happened . The number of Mexicans has tripled since then . Democracy is a joke . A failed experiment . It is only a recent development as the Greeks and Romans discovered early on ..it doesn’t work
and compare to Obama deportations. No drama because Obama good, Orange Man bad.
Why have you forsaken to understand things that happen fundamentally. You lost me. That goes back to the killing of Renee Good. A killing no more no less. For fucks sake Eugyppius.
People need to take self-responsibility. Staring at a cell phone while wandering onto a busy roadway can also result in “a killing.” Stop looking to the Nanny state to wipe our noses and our butts. I’ll tell you that on the open sea or in 3rd world countries there’s less confusion on these points. Low IQ suffers natural consequences.
Is the intent of we humans in such circumstance to avoid harm, put ourselves into harms way, or simply disregard the possibility of it? Good was playing Russian roulette with her taunting attitude and her 4,000 lb deadly weapon. Seems we are observing a trend onlookers ought to be observant of and learn from. Even animals can watch and alter their path. Maybe with our big brains we can too.
I understand your attitude, and am genuinely curious how you would see both of these incidents proceeding had the shootings not happened.
The protesters are intentionally pushing the envelope. If the envelope just expands, they will be incentivized to keep pushing. Where does everything go? Where will it end?
I suspect that both these killings are set up, or AI generated. I do not believe the Kirk "killing" to be genuine either.
Most of the terrorist atrocities are faked by intelligence in order to bring about the conditions they want. There is ample evidence of crisis actors being used, sometimes the same one repeatedly.
In the present case they want chaos and civil war in the USA.
Do you never question why there is always good footage of these atrocities to spread all over the internet- yet when Epstein "dies" for example all the cameras suddenly misfunction?
This is another PSYOP. Wake up.
You are correct . We need to keep in mind that should these lunatics win in 2028 they will be vicious.
And if you doubt the truth of that, you need only look at Abigail Spanberger's first month as governor of Virginia. All the old shitlib madness we thought was finally dead is back, and this time with icepick vengeance.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=spanberger+site%3Alegalinsurrection.com&df=m&t=osx&ia=web
> the agents did nothing wrong
If they shot someone who was no current threat to them, then yes they did something wrong. We are not yet at literal war, where the mere status of someone being an enemy combatant means you are entitled to shoot them.
We are definitely getting there, some days more quickly than others, but no we are not quite there yet.
say her name : Ashley Babbitt
CC:
Oh, please. The unwarranted shooting of Babbitt is certainly relevant here, and if you have *something of substance* to say regarding that, by all means say it.
But just repeating (for the 10^6 time) a bumper-sticker slogan is merely bullshit distracting clutter.
The Brits have (maybe once had) a rather quaint official "cause of death" called "death by misadventure."
You attend a "demonstration" -- well, more than a demonstration, since you take explicit actions to impede an armed law enforcement operation -- where you ultimately get apprehended by law enforcement and actively resist arrest while armed yourself... while all the while "your side" is busy intentionally creating chaos and confusion with their whistles, screaming, car horns, and continuous duck calls of "what the fuck" (really, they should just print it on flags and tee shirts and save their voices)... and in all the distraction and fog of war (which your "friends" are deliberately creating, mind you), you get shot.
Is this misadventure? It sure sounds like misadventure to me.
Libtards haven't internalized the downside of being Social Justice Warriors -- which is, unlucky warriors get killed, it's right there in the job description.
Inference is a powerful rhetorical tool. Did you miss something?
When one of the law men yelled "Gun!" it became a legal shooting. From the information I have reason to suspect is not likely manipulatively wrong or intended to distort - as False-Witnessing is no longer punished as it should be (public pain and shame - tasered till pissing and screaming) - we generally must assume anything amplified by corporate mass-media and political agents, the type of handgun was removed from the violent criminal and misfired as that type has been known to do.
This guy is known as a 2nd Amendment self-defense specialist lawyer, and I found his general no-nonsense analyses valuable.
"Minneapolis 37-Year Old Man ICE Shooting – LEGAL ANALYSIS" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJJfrnX8Mk
There are so many people that should be secured to a pole or tree in public and tasered till pissing and screaming for the intentional false-witnessing that I can't count. Image all those media reporters, media producers, media owners, public 'witnesses', political agents that report unknowns and unknowables as facts, elected political muppets of Zionists and other Satanic minions and their enslaved golems ..
.. imagine if such was the punishment - or worse if lies caused deaths like the Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction war for Zionists .. "Make public Witch-trials and hangings popular again!" (for the unrepenting)
Too bad the wide-spread practice of Witch Trials and public hangings were foolishly ended and false history created that gave them a bad reputation!
What if you could start trusting others again?
Even if you don't care, its amunition for your enemies to have these videos.
Our enemies will use anything for ammo.
The truth being the one exception.
Oh, they'll happily use the truth too, on the rare occasions when it works to their advantage.
oh, well said!
Yes. This is the same Mass Formation Psychosis we saw during Covid, egged on by the same politicians, afflicting mostly the same people. It's a reminder that we're already in a kind of war and have been since 2020. Covid was when we learned who these people are, just how 'American' their ideas are and what they're capable of.
That ICU nurse who got himself shot was almost certainly an enthusiastic enforcer of hospital policies forbidding family members to visit their dying loved ones.
Lost in the shuffle of all of this insanity are two things. ICE are not stormtroopers, they are not Trump's Gestapo or any other nonsense. They are a law enforcement division tasked with enforcing the immigration laws created BY CONGRESS. ICE itself was created by the passage of the Patriot Act again BY CONGRESS. So if you have a problem with ICE, you can blame Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all the rest who voted to create this. Second, why is this happening in Minnesota and not say, Tennessee? Because normal, sane governors and local officials arrest illegal immigrants on criminal charges and then contact ICE to see if they have pending removal orders and HAND THEM OVER peacefully for departation. Minnesota and the rest of the "sanctuary" places check to see if they have pending removal orders and then RELEASE THEM back out into society to assist in their violation of the law purposefully because they believe illegal immigrants have special status and special privileges that your or I would never get. This is why ICE appears to be "patrolling the streets looking for brown people" because they are forced to go serve warrants at residences increasing the danger level, to apprehend often violent criminals who should have simply been handed over to them while in custody. And furthermore these people in the streets are not 'protestors.' Protestors go picket in front of City Hall, they do not go into the field and impede law enforcement. If the FBI showed up to arrest the head of the Gambino crime family and a bunch of his 'goombas' parked their cars across the street and honked their horns and tried to "de-arrest" the Don, do you think they would be called protestors by the media?
Excellent . I would only add that for years the Democrat Party has claimed they are “ Saving Democracy “ …yeah …when the vote goes their way .
Spot on about Tennessee and Louisiana. ICE showed up , apprehended targeted immigrants and left . Radio silence . Most of the country didn’t even know .
These "protestors" and their bankrollers have now turned into Hamas, just sending civilians out as cannon fodder to generate outrage and sympathy. IT IS CRAZY!
Exactly what is going on. BTW about the big lie that Obama deported 3 million illegal aliens. These were Mexicans who were caught at the border, and put on a bus back home. Prior to Obama these were not called deportations. Central Americans caught at the border, cannot be sent home immediately. They need to be flown home and this takes logistics.
Trump cut though all this nonsense by using military aircraft to deport back home.
I know quite a few Russians and Eastern Europeans who overstayed their visas, had a traffic violation, and were put on the next plane smoking back to where they came from...could be why it's just brown people (and lots of Asians-Thailand) that ICE looks for...the white ones left when caught...
I live in the South. Most illegals are Latin Americans, especially Mexicans. Of course, most of the people being deported will look like them when they are the largest population of people here illegally in the first place.
I often hear the black and brown rhetoric. There is a reason the optics aren't wrong. Those of European descent came over in floating coffins only to be inspected like cattle at Ellis Island. Old Xers and boomers often had drilled in them gratitude for the sacrifices and hellish conditions their great grandparents experienced. But if you don't see a photo of a 7 year old emerging from a coal mine, you will assume life was always good. For heaven's sake, Karl Marx was writing about pasty white people covered in soot. This is why I find the Nick Fuente types dangerous. They grab hold of a cultural marxist narratives claiming it was always so.
Or you can look at photos of seven-year-old laborers mucking about in toxic African lithium pits -- TODAY -- and realize that although a coal mine isn't what you or I would think of as a good life, it may well represent an improvement over what life originally held for this kid where his parents came from.
https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/12/13/child-labour-nigerias-lithium-mines-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future
I suspect the life expectancy of people who carry a loaded gun and fight with cops is quite low.
Who wakes up in the morning and says “ yo7 know what ? Let me see where armed federal agents are today so I can drive there and get in their faces …oh yeah and be
bring my gun …what could go wrong ?
“And let me bring a couple extra clips too”🙄
Not just a loaded gun, but a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. Striker fired polymer frame pistols makee nervous as way too easy to unintentionally discharge.
Always carry a round in the chamber unless you are IDF. If you can't safely carry a chambered round in your weapon, get a new weapon.
There will be more shootings especially if another dumbass shows up with a loaded gun. AFAIC, that’s on the dumbasses. 100%
It's just an unimaginably terrible idea to bring a gun to a protest, especially a disorderly protest like this. Just seems like tempting fate, another incident of insanely risky behaviour.
Just please be honest (even though we Western Europeans can't imagine it), gun carriage and possession is widely spread in the US, it's part of the(ir) unique culture. The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it. It's just another guy killed by the current fascist regime in the US. Terribly sorry to see what the general feeling is among the Eugyppius subscribers as well as Eugyppius himself. A person that generated oxygen over the past few years for me personally. I am honestly lost for words.
I'm not trying to justify the shooting, but I think carrying a concealed weapon into conflict zones with armed police is dangerous, and I know enough about American gun culture (having lived there for a few decades) to know this is the kind of thing the concealed carry crowd discourages doing for exactly this reason.
Eugyppius, good evening, .... carrying weapons on either side of a conflict zone (whomever created that conflict zone, whomever is responsible for that conflict zone, whomever decided to define it as a 'conflict zone', .... is it 'really' a conflict zone...?) is going to create a human mess, sooner or later. I know you are not trying to justify the shooting, I really do. I am just baffled at how you approach this, against the background of a morally corrupt political US regime.
There's nothing morally corrupt about the current administration. There was a lot wrong with the previous one, though. You're getting the "news" from the same people who ran the last "regime" in the US, the most corrupt we've ever seen. They stole an election to install a demented puppet in the White House, while the actual people running the country were unknown to all of us. We had no idea who was running the country, pushing social media to censor political opponents and spin news to favor the Democrats, and using the power of government to wrongly target innocent people and ruin their lives because they dared oppose the party.
Trump is merely enforcing the law, the same law that every country has, the one supported by the large majority of Americans, the one that says that you have to come in to the country legally through a port of entry, and if not, you are subject to removal. The Democrats running Minnesota are bound by duty to assist federal law enforcement, but they refuse to do so, and are harboring federal fugitives. They are in active rebellion against the lawful authority of the federal government doing its job.
Of which regime do you speak? Minnesota? You are correct and may not be aware if the half.
No, that's a stupid rationalization. It's legal to carry a can of gasoline around too, but stupid to show up at a burning building with it. It's legal to carry a chainsaw around too, but stupid to show up at a BLM rally with one.
He knew he was going to a violent protest, he intentionally made that decision to wear his gun when it was inappropriate. Would he go to the beach wearing his gun? Would he play ice hockey or football wearing his gun? Would he wear his gun if he was working construction on a roof?
Guns are tools. His wearing that gun to a violent protest rally was as stupid as taking a sledgehammer or chainsaw or scuba tank.
He did not just put the gun on out of habit and wander off. He chose to do a stupid thing.
Guns are tools. So are automobiles. So is a knife. Context matters.
Just ask barricaded off German Christmas Markets.
Who put the fire into the building?
Who planted the tree for which the chainsaw is a necessity?
And finally: we all did many stupid things (and will do) in our lifetime... do we deserve to get murdered for it?
That is a retarded answer. We cannot control the future, but we sure as hell can increase the odds in our favor.
Going armed to a violent protest with cops, the violently resisting arrest with said cops, decreased Petti's odds of something bad happen. He chose to do those things.
Making excuses shows your collectivist tendencies, that you do not ascribe agency to individuals, that you want to blame everyone else for Petti choosing voluntarily to do stupid things in stupid places at stupid times with stupid people.
He chose. Petti chose. Yet you absolve him of his stupidity and blame everyone else.
Good evening Chartertopia. I hope you are keeping well. It should be anyone's right to resist fascist behaviour. That's how, in part, we got out of both most recent World Wars. The video shows a lone, not backed up by a pack, individual resisting. He did not deserve to die (nor did Renee Good, nor do the people who will be executed next, and there will be). Absolutely true, he was violently scrambling, as would anybody. I do not understand what you mean by 'collectivist tendencies' but I am ready to hear and hopefully understand more of it. No one chooses at 100% voluntarily. Check your emotions the next time you get cut off in traffic, check your emotions. We may think we are in control at all times, we are not. And therefor we rely on professionally trained force to intervene for the better outcome for anyone. I do not absolve Petti nor do I blame everyone else, please read carefully. All the best.
Tim Walz. You know, the guy who gave the commencement address at the University of Minnesota and fulminated about "Trump's Gestapo."
I simply do not understand your arguments.
That is fine Tardigrade. I am sure that if we were not confined to the keyboards and screens we find ourselves behind, we could have meaningful conversations to the benefit for both of us.
By the way: are you not the person who is running a channel on micro "things"....? if so you are solely responsible for me buying a microscope for my daughter. Love your channel, apologies if I am confusing with someone else. Love.
How do you know “he didn’t intend to use it”? Carrying it is at minimum intent to intimidate. You may have not seen the many social media posts exorting protestors to stop protesting and get guns and kill these federal officers, but they are certainly aware of the campaign to start a street war. NO ONE with any common sense pro or anti these efforts would EVER carry a loaded weapon to confront federal officers who are armed. Unless they wish social media martyrdom. Some type of error by the officers was certainly made, and it is unfortunate that they are not armed ( as many police are) with tasers as an additional non lethal option at close quarters. These type of events are precisely why state and local police should be cooperating with the federal officers, at least to the point of being present with enough forces to “protect” the protesters, apprehend any lawbreakers among them, and protect the federal officers from mob violence. These type choice by local governments not to provide such is a deliberate dereliction of their duty TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS, a malign neglect intended to cause these events.
There's an old saying that carrying a gun for protection means you're more likely to be shot. The presence of firearms often escalates a confrontation.
We're all well-versed in law enforcement from TV and movies ;) and we know that a perpetrator displaying a gun almost never ends well.
How do you know the protester didn't plan on using his gun? Then why bring it?
I'm sad about all that's going on in Minnesota right now, but people being stupid is not helping at all.
When I was a teenager, I took karate classes for awhile. When we started training with weapons, one thing that our instructor said has stood out to me for almost 40 years--if you bring a weapon to a fight, be prepared for it or one just like it to be used against you.
Dude showed up with a gun to a fight, no one should be surprised he was shot.
I took karate for several years even after my young son lost interest. It's an experience I still value.
Even before that, it was common wisdom that you don't point a gun at somebody unless you mean to use it.
I’m curious to learn: how do you know whether or not Pretti planned to use his gun that day? The rest of us know only that he did not get the chance in that struggle.
I can’t say for sure, but it looks to me from one of the vids like he was trying to reach for it a moment before he was shot, and that it may have looked exactly that way to the officer who fired first, also not knowing that Pretti had already been disarmed a half second earlier.
But, of course, you and I have the luxury of slow-motion replay, free from the raw urgency of the moment.
Good evening Martyn, I hope you are keeping well. For the sake of human kind let's ask ourselves the question: did either the victim or the law enforcement agent who fired, get out of bed on the day of the event with the idea of getting killed or kill. I honestly believe for both parties it would be a clear 'no'. Therefor, the cheap "you reap what you sow" rhetorique displayed by many subcribers here is a wrong context framing, that's my humble opinion anyway. Which will not matter in the bigger scale of things. Humans (armed/unarmed) get killed by engaging in discussions with, running away from cops, law enforcements, etc.... since when did we decide that the outcome "death", "unalived".... for this type of human behaviour is acceptable? Wishing you a peaceful evening.
Doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places at stupid times increases the odds of dying stupidly. Petti did all four of those, intentionally. He died stupidly.
He chose to legally wear his gun to a violent protest with police. He chose to violently resist arrest. He made those choice, intentionally, voluntarily, stupidly. He may not have deserved to die; very few people do. But he intentionally, voluntarily, chose to do stupid things with stupid people (your choice as to whether that is the ICE cops or the protesters or both) at a stupid place at a stupid time.
The future is uncertain. We can only affect the odds. Petti chose to effect them not in his favor. His death was entirely on him.
His death was definitely not entirely on him, as was the death (killing, I will not budge from that) from Renee Good. If the future is uncertain, and we can only affect the odds, let us then affect the odds in the spirit of true humanity.
When the police are under constant assault and threat of death, you can expect them to behave more aggressively in their own defense. This is pretty obvious stuff.
Police a few decades ago used to shoot at people who ran away. Now they don't. That does not mean they're a fair target by rioters, though. These so-called "protesters" in Minnesota are rioters, and the local police are not doing their duty to put down that riot and restore peace. They are not doing their duty to assist federal law enforcement in performing their lawful duties in enforcing federal law. They are creating the environment where bad things happen by refusing to do their job in maintaining the peace.
If these riots had been stopped by the state authorities as they should have been, there would have been no deaths. The state instead chose to stir the pot and encourage the rioters while doing nothing to stop their unlawful activities, including threatening and interfering with ICE agents who have been threatened with death repeatedly in the last few weeks.
How do you know he didn't plan to use it (the gun)?
I honestly am just assuming Jessica. Wishing you a peaceful evening.
If he didn't plan on using it, why did he bring two fully loaded magazines along with the gun that also had a fully loaded magazine.
Are you in favor of Democracy and elections ? Perhaps Renée Good and this guy voted for Harris a more illegal immigration . They lost . They get to vote again in 4 years . In the meantime “ Suck it up “ …like I did four 4 years as the Great unwashed Brown faces streamed into my country looking for free stuff .
Every American knows (due to endless video snippets) that in a situation where a group of armed police are dealing with a "perp," if even a single one of the police yells "GUN!" it is almost a certainty that a good deal of fireworks are about to go off, and the perp is more or less sure to meet their maker.
'The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it.'
This sounds like projection or wishful thinking. It is also undermined by the fact that he brought two extra clips. Or why did he bring any bullet at all? Or why did he bring a gun at all?
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Americans aren’t walking around with guns on their hips. If you interfere with law enforcement, armed no less, there’s a good chance you’re going to get hurt and maybe killed. Immensely stupid.
John good evening. I know what I am saying. It may not suit your beliefs or experiences, I am willing to agree to that. Why should interfering or standing up against law enforcement lead to bodily harm or being killed? That's where I do not follow nor understand. Law enforcement is made up of humans, humans make mistakes, plenty of them.... on both ends of the spectrum. There's plenty of evidence out there of trigger happy law enforcement agents. Selection, education, training and awareness of the difficulties/complex situations to follow on the daily job is crucial/elementary. Likewise, I have seen morons/idiots/good for nothing challenging/teasing/insulting law and authority just because they can. I do not defend either of them.
I’m not a law enforcement apologist. But if they are involved in an active law enforcement activity, they are under stress. If confronted with a threat, such as a gun or a vehicle or even a belligerent person, they are going to react in a manner to protect themselves and others. Every law enforcement situation for an officer is potentially dangerous. If you interfere, you’re taking a risk of getting hurt. It’s just not smart to do that. It actually doesn’t get more stupid than to interfere with law enforcement while carrying a gun. High likelihood you will be shot and killed.
If you bring a condom to your date and open up the packaging, what do you think the intention might be?
Many Eugyppius subscribers are American as you mentioned. We take 2A rights and responsibilities very seriously. One way you know this to be true is the judicial push and pull going on in our courts over small details of the Law, though these cases don’t usually make mainstream news. Certainly not European news.
I didn't see anyone opening the proverbial condom packaging other then the so called law enforcement agents. And let's be serious and grown up here for a moment, following your analogy, what bunch of women/men (4, 5 or more persons) would feel threatened by a single person on the ground, overpowered by the bunch of 4 , 5 or more, trying to draw a condom/gun....? Serious reality check: even though I don't necessarily agree with the way things are handled in the UK, ... ordinary cops don't carry guns (whatever is thrown at them). Maybe a less Western Cowboy approach to law enforcement in the US would benefit the next victims to come.
Also in UK there are have been police no-go zones for 20-30 years because regular police cannot defend themselves in what are essentially theocratic-cartel neighborhoods. How does that serve the safety of Britains?
I agree, and that situation is not limited to the UK. See France, Belgium, Scandinavian countries, etc...
We don't have anything like a fascist regime in the US. We ended that just over a year ago when we kicked Biden out of office.
How do you know he didn't plan on using the gun? Why did he have extra ammo?
Sorry, you aren't making sense. Responsible carry is one thing, and most of us take it very seriously. Foolish decisions are quite another thing. The deceased was actively engaged in obstructing law enforcement and had been for some time. He foolishly chose to physically interact with an officer and resisted the ensuing arrest. In the confusion, he was identified as a threat and shot. Responsible carry is a choice.
How do you know he didn’t plan on using it? He told you that? You’re a mind reader? What an utterly asinine statement
If it’s confirmed that he deleted his socials beforehand that implies certain motives
Anyone who shows up today to “ protest “ has a death wish .
Actually death by police is a preferred method of suicide for many
First, you would not bring a semi-automatic 9MM and two clips to a "peaceful" protest against law enforcement, and you certainly would not physically approach those officers to impede them, unless you were intending to shoot those officers, or you had some death wish.
Or were completely ignorant .
I think in Renée Good case she thought “ I’m a white liberal gay woman “ as if that made her immune . She woke up , checked on where armed men with badges were , then drove there , blocked their cars , smiled crazily and danced as the officers told her to exit the car , then Drove away …who does that ? How do you get to be 37 and know nothing ?
Exactly right. This was suicide by cop. Probably the man-boy wished to either increase his opinion of himself through challenging the authorities (due to a lack of integrity and/or courage exhibited in other areas of his life) or he wished for a heroic obituary in the Minneapolis newspapers.
Look at the video. He was not impeding. He was documenting with his phone. Death wish...
get a life (no pun intended).
He has carrying a loaded 9MM with two clips. Yeah, he was just documenting with his phone. Get a brain (no pun intended).
Magazines, not clips.
Showed up armed to a confrontation with federal agents, expect such outcomes. The amount of people today twisting themselves into knots trying to make this guy seem innocent when he in fact loaded a pistol and then went to confront federal law enforcement lawfully discharging their duties - anyone doing that was looking for violence. And he found it. Try to stop the feds while carrying a weapon has a very predictable outcome, Dems encouraging their plebs to arm themselves and then confront agents have blood on their hands. They must really be neck deep in fraud and criminality to resort to desperation like this. Make no mistake, they are asking we the public to accept the authority of armed left wing randos to stop the Federal Government whenever they feel like it. Amazing that we’ve come to this.
Correct ,I had to sit back for four years and watch barefoot low IQ brown faces stream across the Rio Grande and walk in and get free food housing medical care …all on my dime . My turn now . Renee Good thought that somehow being a white liberal gay woman gave her the “ moral high ground “ to subvert what I and million of others voted for .to see the back of the heads of the Great Unwashed .
I like to turn things around in order to think about them. So right now I'm imagining the 2A crowd rising up against an authoritarian government force, and what the liberals would have to say about it...
Edit to add: from replies, I think my comment was misunderstood. I'm just thinking in terms of the hypocrisy of the democratic reaction where the situation reversed.
5 years ago this month my cousin informed me he was going to go to J6 and that he was going to be armed, you can imagine the hyperbolic reasoning behind such an intent. I spent two hours with him on the phone talking him down, I especially made the point to him that showing up armed in public at an event where there is even the potential of a confrontation with LE will be presumed by authorities as intent to do violence to LE and in no case will you ever be the innocent party in the event something goes wrong. Your mere armed presence is sufficient grounds to presume the worst. Same applies here, and that will not change. The Dems are fools to expect the government and the public to accept this, arguing that Pretti was in any way a victim here is tantamount to insurrection. It’s why I think the desperation runs deeper than acknowledged.
TDS is a powerful force.
As a 2A supporter if I’m bringing my weapon to fight law enforcement (even justly) then I expect law enforcement to respond with deadly force. I’m saying we have entered the one side wins zone. I don’t have a lot of issues on the 2A front. He was interfering with police while carrying a weapon. Things can go wrong quickly and they did.
Yes, that is my sense, they are pushing this to a place where one side must lose, and lose it all. They have already announced their intention to imprison everyone in the Trump Administration and even federal law enforcement officials should they ever get back into power, so they took away any off ramp the Administration might have used even if they were so inclined. Now to give an inch would be literal suicide.
Yes, it looks like we’re moving past legal niceties in the not too distant future
The point I was attempting to make is the hypocrisy of the Democrats were the situation reversed.
I liken these anti-ICE protests as similar to the Boston Tea Part of 1773 which arguably triggered the war of independence. The colonists tarred and feathered Stamp Act agents and customs collectors. It's all in a very noble tradition of fighting against the government.
Except the colonists were fighting taxation without representation. These people are fighting a duly elected representative government. One was fighting for the popular will, the other is fighting against it. They are not the same.
These fools are fighting to protect rapists, sex and drug traffickers and all manner of low life. There is absolutely no comparison to Boston. None.
Ummm, spoiler alert, but yes, there is a comparison, and I made it.
It's called support.
There are major breaking decisions on 2A coming out of high courts in the USA several times per month. The 2A crowd definitely pays acute attention.
Ok, I know this post isn’t exactly on what actual mechanics led to shooting the suspect in the back on an icy Minnesota street. I’m just looking from a bird eye view as a proper tort action would include that if Governor Walz and Mayor Frey had actually used their law enforcement to protect the federal officers doing their job, none of this would happen. If Walz had illegal immigrants actually handed over to ICE at the jailhouse as required by federal law, before being released, none of this would happen. The shooting happened in front of a dilapidated building that house 184 presumably illegal healthcare front that reaped millions every year. The protestors are using a Signal platform to track license plates and debank certain individuals, all with using state resources and databases to accomplish this. The Signal chat was hacked by @0hour1 and it showed many city officials involved in the malfeasance. It is highly coordinated with quadrants and food and hot drinks, etc. So this individual was deployed and actively ordering cars to block ICE.
All of these things I described are chargeable under federal law, but by hook or by crook, AG Bondi will not do it. It would require competence and excellent writers who work with speed to dismantle this entire affray. Is she incompetent or incompetent by design? I do wish JD would get someone in her office to finally write and file these things, I’m sure he’s frustrated beyond belief. So many charges, so many!
Well...Walz won't stop it...it's like Ukraine...the grift is too good..
Exactly, we need criminal charges to stop him and subpoenas on all of his records.
I get very excited when an alert for a new eugyppius post arrives!
Sorry it happened. Commands from law enforcement should be obeyed immediately.
During the 60’s in LA I was pulled over by LAPD several times ( long hair ) . My response “ Yes officer “,
This January in my part of Britain has been the darkest I can remember. We’ve maybe had two or three days when the sun has been visible, otherwise the murk has been overwhelming. It can be very wearing and I sympathise with you.
Thanks friend, same here in Germany: No sun, freezing temperatures, ice and so on. Kind of rough, but I will get through it.
This is also true for South Wales where I live, as well as for the Midlands, according to friends living there: it;s dispiriting, and even the resident robin is late with his morning song and not sounding chipper at all.
Still ... won't be long and we can moan about the clocks going forward.
From what I’ve gathering, dark in England isn’t just the weather…
So, sure, it’s tragic that there may have been someone needlessly die. But let’s not forget that the guy who was shot decided to show up with a gun and try to interfere with law enforcement. I don’t think this situation would’ve ended any better if he’d done this with regular police who were trying to arrest a criminal. Bring a gun out with law enforcement and then interfere with their operations and resist arrest, and bad things will happen.
One criminal lawyer on YT has pointed out that even undercover cops have been shot by uniformed cops...
If these were football games, what goes on afterwards would be referred to as armchair quarterbacking...if one is not in the heat at the time, one really cannot know...
As sad as it is, I doubt the political left in the U.S. cares one bit that this man has lost his life. I am more confident that they are happy to have another martyr they can use to ratchet up the rhetoric. Sadly, useful idiots like Pretti pay with their lives while the coordinators of this chaos secretly celebrate, thinking this might be a trigger to unleash more of these protests nationwide. Living and operating in their bubble seems to convince them that they are supported by a majority. Whether or not this is true, I don't know - but I doubt it.
I saw a recent poll in which US voters are now roughly 25% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 50% independent. It's open to speculation how many of those independents are in the blue bubble.
To be honest, I have struggled to understand all this ICE stuff, what with not being an American and not being in the USA. The ICE people are some sort of border force policemen who have been tasked with finding and deporting illegal immigrants? Whilst doing so they are being hassled by what appear to be mostly middle-aged, middle-class women and blokes who look like geography teachers. They appear to oppose the removal of illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants presumably don't want to leave but don't appear to be the ones waving guns around or driving large motor cars. Why are people objecting to the rounding up of illegal immigrants who arrived illegally and, presumably, live on benefits, handouts and black-market work (which undercuts legal citizens)? I would quite like the ICE people to come over to the UK (although probably without their guns - big sticks would be safer) as I think we Brits would be easier to pacify and our illegals are mostly easy to locate, what with being lodged at our expense in nice hotels and hostels.
Google Cloward-Piven for starters. There are many articles regarding what is going on in the Western countries...I would recommend ZeroHedge on Telegram.
You wouldn't believe it, but the biggest crisism I heard from white people suffering from suicidal empathy (more like narcissism) is the optics. They don't like people being dragged off in public and equates it to authoritarianism. These people aren't serious people. There's even talk now that this will threaten the republicans' majority in the senate and that they will lose their majority come mid terms
I think the politics is the whole reason for this. Democrats are desperate to claw back some majorities.
They are literally brainwashed by the media to do the dirty work of the corporations and criminals extracting wealth from our country and law-abiding citizens, and they are too stupid and caught up in their feelings to realize it.
Bertrand Jouvenel discusses the alliance of the high and low classes of a population to control the middle. Who are these groups in America and Europe? The land-owning majority white population is the middle group. The identity of the high group is obvious based on America’s foreign policy. The low group are immigrants and people of color who are mostly dependents. If you no longer need a troublesome middle-class that depends workers’ protections in a global, technological economy, then you can manipulate the low group to eliminate the middle-class and then dispose of the useful idiots after your revolution.
Trump was only elected to get the sons of America back on the army plantation. The people who run the empire know that it is falling apart, that the woke golem has turned on them, and needs our sons to fight the Chinese and the Russians for their empire of usury.
The cause of most things in the world is general and specific idiocy, greatly enhanced by the boundless lack of courage of people who go into politics, and that's mostly because people who go into politics do so because they haven't the courage to engage in truly challenging, even dangerous endeavors while wanting the adulation of others.
Meanwhile the adversaries of normal life as healthy people conceive of one have the ruthless cunning to inexorably advance their goals while their purported opponents go squish.
If I were a crude and vulgar woman I'd say we'll just continue to be fucked over as usual.
'Meanwhile the adversaries of normal life as healthy people conceive of one have the ruthless cunning to inexorably advance their goals while their purported opponents go squish.'
Well stated.
Don’t approach armed law enforcement officers with a firearm. Especially when they have been targets and have recently had their colleagues shot and killed. Also don’t point your vehicle at them either and then accelerate. LDS, Liberal Derangement Syndrome!