To me it looks like the disarming officer accidentally discharges the weapon as he's turning to leave the scene, and that causes the other officers (who just heard GUN!) to start firing.
But make no mistake, this is exactly what Walz and Frey have been hoping for.
That theory must've originated with you, I think? Didn't realise, some guys in a GC were talking about it. Anyway, I've linked your post, good analysis.
I doubt very much I was the first person in the world to come up with it, and I've seen others today talking about it who don't read my Substack -- so I think it was almost certainly floating around somewhere else.
Is the criminal illegal in any of the videos? How is he being detained? That had to be completed before the armed spectator was dealt with. They have a split second to make the most reasonable decision, and act. (Sorry, I follow a government attorney who cites the regulations the government agency will follow.)
SCA- I think the geopolitical security for Canada, theUS, and Europe is worth the negotiation continuing for this “patch of ice.” Trump plans to cover it with the Golden Dome. I think NATO’s security leader agrees to a small amount of land for the USA for military reasons.
Supposedly, Pretti had a "SIG P320", (hope I got that remembered correctly!), which has a known defect of accidental discharge. SIG is facing a huge lawsuit(s) over the issue.....
Supposedly, Pretti's gun accidently discharged just after ICE confiscated it, which triggered the shooting. Sorry, not trying to rumor-monger, just sharing what I've been seeing on 2A threads....
I don't care. That's my ultimate position at this point. I just don't fucking care about these retards getting shot.
Sometimes the penalty for being an idiot is death. Pretti found that out yesterday, Good found that out a week or two ago, and it's very likely that quite a few more people will discover that over the next month or so. And I just have too much shit in my own life to give a fuck about idiots dying in service of fucking around and trying to destroy my country.
I realize it's not the most empathic perspective, but here we are anyway. They've just worn out my ability to care.
Good was cosplaying with armed cops in a tense situation, and her spouse shouted "Drive, baby, drive!" Stupidity doubled is still stupid.
Petti went armed to a standoff with cops, then fought arrest. It's hard to imagine any other outcome.
Unfortunately, stupidity makes the news, the media welcomes it, twists it all out of shape, and makes money from the capitalist system they profess to hate.
Exactly! Her girlfriend was heard afterwards, screaming “why did you have real bullets?”
They think they are having a little cosplay adventure or maybe playing a video game, while the law enforcement officers are chasing down and arresting violent criminals.
Exactly. At Defcon 2004, I went out into the Nevada desert with a bunch of friends to shoot guns and blow up watermelons and Tannerite, which is a commercially available binary explosive. Someone called the police, they showed up in SUVs and a bloody helicopter, and we were clearly *very* well armed. As in, we had more firearms than they brought actual police officers, let alone the amount of ammo we had for each one.
None of us, including the folks there who were foreign nationals, got shot, or even arrested. Because we were calm, and polite, and respectful. We got angry and loud and rude *afterwards*, I'll grant. But at the time, we behaved in a sane fashion, and were not harmed.They even let us sit in the shade of the tailgate of their SUV while they investigated, and thereby avoid a significant sunburn.
I don't know the details on this but somehow the ICE guys saw his gun. I have carried for over 30 years with a permit. I am smart enough to know if law enforcement is doing something where I am there is no way they will see my gun. Florida is open carry now they claim. I have no interest in anyone knowing that I am armed unless they attack me.
My belief is that they did know, either they were selected or volunteered for maximal interruptive actions. Particularly Pretti, because I can't imagine a scenario in which he was just one of many armed protesters. In a melee like that, with multiple armed protesters wouldn't we have seen full on carnage?
Just speculating, of course, that their families are privately well taken care of for the sacrifice.
But beyond that imagine you're just some schmo living in Minneapolis. You're pumped up with rage rhetoric, told that you'll literally go down in history as a righteous fighter against Trump! Against ICE! Against Nazis! And, if you'll suicide, even better. Imagine the power and meaning! This is their religion, their cult.
Don't underestimate the power of stupid. As an owner of multiple firearms I will tell you that casually going around armed is a bad idea. If you are going to do it, you'd better mean it. Confronting Federal officers while armed is possibly the worst idea ever. If you're going to do that, you'd better really mean it, and expect to be shot to boot. Pretti is dead because he was incredibly stupid and some clever people took advantage of his stupidity to forward their cause. Same thing goes for the Good woman.
To elaborate on your point . These people were set up by the organizations to which they belonged . They were brainwashed ( not difficult) as to some higher cause . Antifa got just what they wanted …Chaos .
Now to Renée Good . I believe that she thought that being a white liberal gay woman gave her some immunity. I agree Warmek …stupid . Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ? She then honks her horn and dances madly smiling in her car and then refuses orders to exit the car .Worse she tries to drive away ? How do you get to be 37 and be sooo fn dumb . Oh. Yeah ..she had three children and did this ..God forbid she was home baking cookies ..never! What ? Male patriarchy? Bake cookies ? Yeah dumb Schitt …you be alive
" Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ?" Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people in Minnesota. A state I will never, ever visit.
As a far far leftie, Good was accustomed to the Biden Administration's wimpy leaders who refused to hold anyone accountable for any bad behavior anywhere. She thought it would be the same....law enforcement wouldn't touch her because she's a woman....and to check another box, she's also gay. She felt she could act with impunity. And law enforcement certainly would not have real bullets in their firearms, right? How naive and stupid can you get!
I agree that the people who are hurt in the leftist chaos were set up. This is one of the reasons we rightists talk about mental virus or viruses. One sick person, a group of sick people, or an organization of infected people with little resistance to the infection spread the virus. The virus shuts down the infected person's common sense and sense of humor (using emotion) in self-defense and tries to replicate. Common sense and sense of humor are part of the normal human psychological defense against mental viruses. Social aversion to losers like Renee Good also helps.
Just as with physical viruses, people vary in their resistance, and the symptoms we see from a given infection vary. I could go on about this, for personally I believe that he human species is infected with multiple mental viruses, including non-political mental viruses.
However, Eugyppius disagrees with my mental virus theory; he looks at the behaviors in question as manifesting stupidity. So I'll shut up about mental viruses for now, and I'll try to work out the notion or find where someone else has later.
I agree with you . A mental illness that renders someone incapable of reason . As an example you could say “ Why did a mother of three children search her phone to where armed men with badges were and then drive there a taunt them . The mental replies “ so you think she deserves to die “ .but I never asked that did I .i asked WHY . Or try this “ Well ,th3 people voted for immigration enforcement “ .THE MENTAL replies “ so ICE should kill innocent people .? It’s hopeless Gary ..they need to be crushed
Mental, emotional and spiritual illness if you ask me. Non-US citizens can't imagine the extent of debauchery and violence in our culture (movies, music, sports, etc), SSRIs and other drugs that float freely here in the states and the loss of a 'moral compass' that united most people under a belief system that includes respect for both our Creator and other human beings.
This is what an anti-God, neo-liberal philosophy has brought us. In an effort to give 'rights' to the fringe, the government have unleased those parts of society to turn on the rest of us.
If anyone hasn't learned this from the coof: they hate us.
You can protest, carry a pistol, and extra magazines just fine.
Just don’t interfere with law enforcement officers while doing any of the above.
Or at all.
There are exactly two legitimate avenues for a citizen to direct or contest law enforcement actions : to the elected official giving them orders, and to the specific court with jurisdiction.
how did those 2 “legitimate” options turn out durig the covid “flatten the curve” exercise?
you add:
“taking direct action is asking to die” … so protesting peacefully, being detained by law enforcement (ICE), having your legal firearm removed and getting shot for an accidental/incompetent handling discharge while your gun was being “handled” by someone else is “asking to die” …???
if you were peacefully protesting against Biden’s covid mandates while also carrying your legal handgun which went off AFTER you were detained by law enforcement … “you are asking to die”?
no douglas, i just pointed out your use of a certain phrase. i have no problem with ICE detaining delusional lefties who think they are fighting for universal justice … but Pretti’s shooting was a mistake. he clearly did not brandish his weapon or attempt to use it on the ICE agents. he didn’t “ask to die”. that was my
point!
for the record, i grew up in communism and am well aware of marxist/communist/neo-marxist propaganda. i legitimately protested the covid mandates in Ottawa and got labelled as a terrorist and got my bank account frozen for it … which is why i pointed that out.
i’m sorry you saw that as me being “fundamentally dishonest”.
In 2010, fifteen thousand people showed up for one of the early TEA party protests downtown in my city. 3,000 were armed. Law enforcement everywhere. Nary an incident.
Probably the TEA party protest people didn't think they were being The Resistance Against The Evil Fascist In The White House. If you whip yourself up into a frenzy of Orange Man Must Be Fought And Defeated, you'll probably do very unwise things at some point.
Thanks for the insight - although I find it hard to imagine that the TEA party protesters were as radical and fanaticized as the anti-ICE protesters seem to be.
Or just cooperate with ICE detainers. It's rather surreal that people support a policy where criminal illegal immigrants are protected from ICE. Working with ICE on detainers is the ideal scenario because then there's minimal risk to everyone involved.
I'm actually sad that so very many people seem to have less than zero common sense these days. And they act like ignorant, hysterical children. It's depressing, actually.
1. in one way, yr concern is fair. Most Dem “leaders” should have common sense, and appear not to. Exhibit A: Abigail S.
2. lots of unseen people DO still have common sense. We just need to give them the info so they can figure it out. Hence, despite all the lies in WaPo for decades, lots of people saw their way to voting for Trump. But we have to help on the 2026 elections.
"...ignorant, hysterical children." Exactly. When, why, and how did people become indoctrinated with the idea that they need and deserve to have everything exactly as they want it? And if the world does not comply, collective mega-tantrums ensue ...
I feel like you, Warmek. I have no energy to care anymore. Severe compassion fatigue.I don't want it to change me as a person, so I just have to shut it down.
i feel the same way -- the MN people refuse to cooperate with ICE, so ICE has a choice -- give up or persist. Giving up would send the message that Trump will give up if you just send enough martyrs to kill themselves. certainly a bad precedent that will lead to more martyrs. Or, ICE officers can become the martyrs, refusing to use force until...until I don't know, a bunch of them are dead I guess. Then Trump will be accused of sending "men to their death." So ... both sides like the current situation of FAFO. This is the Democrats last stand, here in MN, so I do feel like a lot is at stake. If Republicans cave on this, then...game over for them. Democrats here still hold most of the actual power and influence, and their money comes direct from the Treasury.
I don't know what the federal government should do. At this point it seems like intervening would set off violence and not intervening invites people in other states to do the same. There must be more possible responses.
You want another response…how about the democrats in all of these blue states act like the US citizens that they are supposed to be and follow the laws that are on the books. They had no problem following these laws when Clinton was deporting illegal aliens nor when Obama was deporting more illegal aliens in one year than had ever been deported. Trump is bad; therefore the inverse of Trump is good. Whether that is protesting deporting rapists, pedophiles, or murderers, or cutting off children’s genitals because the democrat base demands it or letting mental patients compete in girls’ sports because they FEEL their penises shouldn’t count against them
And if a few looters had been shot on site during their crimes there probably would be fewer lootings. At least it works that way in Florida during hurricane season
There is another big difference. In Minnesota, the protesters are opposing law enforcement to protect criminals. The J6ers were opposing the criminals who have corrupted our elections (this is largely bipartisan, although it seems to be more D than R at the moment). The similarity is only in the protesters being the ones getting killed.
The Minnesota rioters have hundreds of NGO's and leftist bureaucrats supporting and financing them. Big bucks weekly for key rioters. With our tax dollars that have been laundered through these organizations. (See Craigslist if your looking for the gig). Free food, lodging and transportation. Bureaucrats are supplying them access to state records of ice officers and targeted citizens (see Data Republican on X).
Lots and lots of support and planning in Minnesota backed by leftist politicians and bureaucrats. It's the conspiracy that'll get them.
DC was a bunch of out of town people wandering off to the Capitol where FBI plants ushered them in. Not one of them charged for "insurrection" because there wasn't one. They were all charged with trespassing or similar.
I think a LOT if not most of the chaos in Minneapolis is deliberately fomented by those (i.e. Democrats) who desperately want to divert attention from the massive Somali welfare fraud that is coming down on them. It's a case of "Hey...look over here, not over there."
To give some perspective on why so many are indifferent, as this is Minneapolis, let us not forget that in the George Floyd Riots about 25 people were killed. They were mostly total innocents, or even saintly, as in the case of retired police captain David Dorn (I think he was called). Did the Left blame the killers? No way.
The problem here is that the democrat media, which still has meaningful reach, is exclusively selling the narrative that these are murders, the enforcement operations are illegitimate, and Trump is hitler.
It's more about the public opinion battle. The USA today is made up of a pretty questionable bunch, no doubt, but unfortunately they matter. We appear to have irreconcilable differences almost across the board. Still, the future of Trump's many successes depend on public opinion (or on implementing an entirely new system, if that's on your table).
We do NOT have irreconcilable differences. These folks are being paid to do this. It's an attempt at election nullification. They don't like illegal immigration enforcement? Juat give them Barack Obama's rebuke to Eric Kantor - "I won."
A lot of protesters have been photographed at a variety of different protests across the country. There are obviously a lot of paid protesters and I find it amazing that this isn't discussed openly more than it is.
We would be friends. Lol. My only real concern is the political fallout. That said, I'm sure I regret the deaths of Pretti and Good more than Chuck Shumer Nancy Pelosi Tim Walz and the rest of the Dem royalty do. Because they are actually benefitting from those deaths. Which is ghoulish. They should tell their sheep to stand down, but they won't do that because they literally make money off of their death
I agree, Warmek. I have no sympathy for the people who get killed, crippled, arrested, or convicted while willfully and consciously hindering law enforcement. I also have no sympathy for people who favor the population replacement program.
And the issue for me is not strictly population replacement. In 1980, USA population was about 227 million, which was plenty or maybe too many. In 2020, it was 349 million. Meantime, arable, pasture, and feral land near large cities has been built over or paved so the additional 125 million or so can live as rich as they want. I don't believe the climate alarmists, but if the leftists believe them and are conscious, then surely the leftists would want that "developed" land left in production. I want it left in production, and I want healthy wild ecosystems.
Turns out the Petti was part of a group actively interfering with ICE operations in Minneapolis. Group is apparently run by a Walz operative. OMG gained access to their Signal Chat.
And in the weeds of the X thread you cite there is an allegation that someone with access to CJIS is aiding this Monarca signal group. That suggests local law enforcement leftist sympathizers are involved. https://x.com/_emergent_/status/2015160467782517058?s=20
Someone was delivering cold weather gear, food, hot drinks, anything to help keep the looney lot outside in minus 20 degree weather. The destruction of America is highly organized. Walz made 20 trips to China and has close ties there. He is suspected of providing a top secret document to them, too. We already know he is bereft of honor. And Biden allowed 100,000 CCP military-aged males in through our porous border. Where are they now??
It's shocking, although I guess it shouldn't be. Anyone involved in that kind of protest could pull together a manual like that in a few months. Signal groups aren't hard to start, I think. Delivery companies and other organizations put together maps and routes, they can do the same. The doc talks about a dispatcher, so there's either a volunteer or paid person to do that, and license spotters or checkers or some similar word, who apparently look up license numbers sent to them. It's very organized, but a few competent people could do all that organizing. What amazes me is all the people they have participating. How did they manage that?
Cops receive numerous worst-case scenario, fear-based trainings, in which they are programmed to expect a lethal attack at any moment and be ready to “defend themselves” at all costs. Because they are trained to believe they are a target for violence, cops will likely perceive (or at least claim to perceive) a de-arrest as personally threatening and thus a justification for using force, even lethal force. For example, even inadvertent contact with a cop’s array of weaponry strapped around their waist could be construed as an attempt to take the cop’s weapon to use against them, thus justifying escalated use of force, including potentially deadly force.
This escalated force poses a threat not only to the person(s) trying to de-arrest someone, but also to the person being arrested– as well as any other activists on the scene who may now face adrenalized cops more likely to use violence. A de-arrest may take an event or action to a new threat level, including a level that others may not be prepared for and may not have consented to. A de-arrest may also cause police to adjust their tactics not only in the moment, but at future events or actions, where it is used to justify more cops and faster escalation when responding to a crowd.
Unless you consulted with the person beforehand, it also may not be possible to know whether the person being arrested consents to their de-arrest, including these potential escalated and long-term risks.
I did read the manual, and it didn't make me want to join them. The reason people GET the manual is that they already want to join in. And while I know it's propaganda that does it, I don't understand why anyone would fall for THAT propaganda.
ICE are federal law enforcement officers. The federal laws they're enforcing were passed by Congress, not invented yesterday. The people they're arresting are all here illegally. I understand feeling sorry for people who have fled their countries and entered illegally, I don't understand the rabid defense of people they know nothing about, people who (it turns out) may be defrauding, preying on, and sponging off them.
I know a that a small number very far left people are so far gone in this way that they equate themselves with Germans and Austrians hiding Jews in their basements--but they aren't ANYTHING like Germans and Austrians hiding Jews in their basements. And I don't at all understand what makes ordinary Minnesotans think arrests are "kidnappings," or decide to hop in their cars and "patrol for ICE." It truly baffles me.
I can see people doing some of those things to fight real threats. I live in a neighborhood that was a stop on the Underground Railroad, and some of the people here then hid slaves and snuck them north at night. But these people aren't slaves being sold or Jews being slaughtered, they're people here illegally who are being returned to their actual home countries. I just cannot understand it.
The kidnapping thing comes from a few tactics that are newer. For example, many people are having their legal status ended abruptly, or are being detained for long periods despite valid visas. Take for example the graduate student grabbed off the street after writing a pro-Palestine op-ed. It looked to onlookers like a kidnapping, partly because agents were in plain clothes.
The biggest development though was sending people to CECOT in El Salvador. Deporting folks to their home countries is reasonable. This is life imprisonment in a 3rd country without any charge, trial, conviction, or sentence. It really doesn’t get any more unconstitutional than that.
Border Patrol in Minnesota has been doing citizenship checks with no reasonable suspicion of illegal status. This is not legal, and I certainly don’t want to suddenly live in a country where I need to carry my birth certificate or face being detained indefinitely.
You can support removal of illegal immigrants without supporting these tactics.
Sig Sauer apparently has had multiple lawsuits about that particular gun misfiring- even without touching the trigger. I saw a video (where of course, this could be doctored), but he got it to fire without touching the trigger and only touching the barrel. Some of the lawsuits are from law enforcement officers.
And yet not a single person has been able to cause even one of the Sig guns to accidentally fire without pulling the trigger. Some idiot "modified" one and was able to get it to fire by poking things inside the gun. That doesn't count. This was not a case of a gun "just going off".
I am not so sure about that, but obviously if it's proven that the officer pulled the trigger he should be on the hook for that. (Indeed, he's the only one who could POSSIBLY be facing criminal charges, IMO)
FWIW, it seems that this theory is gaining some traction today.
Rob Dobar, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, said he believes that Pretti’s gun went off after the agent grabbed it, leading the other agent to open fire.
“I believe it’s highly likely the first shot was a negligent discharge from the agent in the grey jacket after he removed the Sig P320 from Pretti’s holster while exiting the scene,” Dobar said on X.
and this is one reason why you should never bring a gun if you want to express your displeasure with the police! Wrong place, wrong time. I'm looking forward to reading your analysis!
I know for a fact that the US military ordered those weapons to stop being used for at least a while, because I have to pass through an armed checkpoint every day I go into work, which is on a US Air Force base. And at one point a few months ago, all of the airmen were carrying their M4s instead of just pistols for a bit.
That dead airman turned out to be a homicide/ND that the perp lied about and blamed the gun.
Sig does pretty extensive testing on their guns these days, and it's very easy to accidentally discharge a handgun when you're scuffling with it. Seems way more likely to me than the gun going off on its own.
That was older models of the P320, like several years ago and SIG sent out fixes and fixed the gun going forward. I might also add this gun has an aftermarket trigger and god knows what else he did internally. I have 2 320’s modded as well, and *if* I was allowed to or lived in a free country I would in no way use my 320 as a carry gun. Lightening the trigger is for competition or a range toy only.
Different Charlotte here. It’s a deservedly popular 9mm gun; I own a different version of the P320 and I haven’t found one I like better for target shooting. The FBI did extensive testing and came to the conclusion that it can potentially discharge if dropped or slammed against a surface. Since I was always taught that is a possibility, it doesn’t bother me much. I find it difficult to believe the gun can discharge in a completely random fashion, but I’m no expert.
I’m not a weapons expert by any stretch, but I did watch this video- it seems like that gun would be part of any liability issues for the incident going forward?
I have a great deal of sympathy for actual citizen revolutionaries rebelling against a tyrant, even with unpermitted weapons. The recent uprising in Iran is an example.
These people in Minnesota and other cities are interfering in perfectly legitimate deportations.
Please search for “The Narrative Initiative” started and perfected in MN before being exported nationally. (Can’t link here for some reason) There is a reason it all starts in MN. If the state would cooperate, Ice would be here and gone. No one is asking why the state isn’t cooperating. Notice how the fraud story link to MN has disappeared? As a Minnesotan, I’m tired of being used for far left agendas as well as the ignorance of the city and suburban dwellers blindly following in suicidal empathy.
From chats and responses, I see very little support for the protestors. I always check location of the person responding. They are MN. Outside of the Twin cities, it is actually a quite conservative state- if you would remove the metro…….
I highly recommend SimCom's article! Also, read his linked article about the Sig P320's unfortunate habit of going off unexpectedly. Like most intelligent people on here, I see the situation as being a tragic, but totally preventable accident. The useful idiots are continuing to do useful idiot stuff and the Leftists are thrilled about it. Their number one goal is to provoke civil war. If Kristi Noeme were to ask me what to do, I'd tell her to simply stop the paramilitary tactics and continue their work undercover....
Your comment prompted the thought of applying, by analogy, the primary assumption of risk theory used in sports, which I find fitting, as so much of this seems like a grisly sporting event. In some states, including, oddly enough, California, if one participates in a sport known to have significant risks, one assumes the risk of death or injury that arises out of such risks. One doesn't even need to sign a waiver for this to be true. So the widow of a rock climbing student who plunges to his death due to the screw-up of his instructor is barred from suing. This is true even if the instructor was negligent - but not reckless. People are often surprised at this. They want to ski the Black Diamond run and sue if they are injured. I am all for protecting the Constitutional right to protesting just like I want to protect one's right to the freedom of expression through sports. But there is responsibility for choices. One can protest in a sympathetic Church, outside an official office, in the park, and on the sidewalks, but if one ups the ante from the bunny or mid-range slope to a run that skiers are told to avoid, my vote is you assume the risk.
Sadly today cops spook me because I known, I spook them. I am an ancient Gen-Xer. I remember the days when cops would pull you over and make you dump your beer or laugh at you that the weed you thought you had was actually something your dealer pulled from his mom’s spice rack. Those are long gone. When my kid got his driver's license, I gave strict instructions on what to do if pulled over. The days of being obnoxiously confrontational or flirty are long over.
What’s missing is any video from before the altercation. I think it matters. Did the woman, or others in that group, do something that endangered others? Did they stand on front of traffic, warn the target of the operation, or physically interfere in the arrest, thus justifying their own arrest? Or were they simply protesting, and the officers got mad and attacked them? They seemed to be want to “get” Mr, Pretti. I’m not saying he deserved to get shot. It’s very sad, and like Ms. Good, seemed like a decent though naive person. But I want to know, were they trying to carry out a justified arrest, or were they simply acting like jack booted thugs?
To be clearer and less mysterious, an early report I absorbed was that the homicide victim was not a protester but an actual target of the raid, and had previously been convicted of crimes that would have excluded him from possessing a gun. None of that turns out to have been the case.
That type of gun is known for spontaneous discharges; still, who brings a gun to a confrontation with Border Patrol agents who have been in fear for their lives for months now? Only a loon or someone who wanted to die. He had a permit to carry, but didn't have it with him or ID, as mandated by law, supposedly because, as a member ICE Watch, they advise not to carry ID to slow down the ID process. Yeah, that worked swell. All I can add is this: ICE and BP are deporting tens of thousands in every other state with no drama. This is Walz and Frey's fault to detract from theirs billions in Somali fraud. I want every last illegal out of America. They have taken advantage of our generous nature's and left thousands of dead Americans with their regards. If the cost of getting rid of them is a few anarchists' lives, I'll take that trade all day, every day.
My husband says if he brought a loaded gun and two full mags, he went with the intention of shooting a lot of people. I'm willing to think he was just LARPing and thought he'd be "ready for anything," but of course neither of us knows what he really thought. However, going to confront law enforcement with a loaded gun and two loaded mags is certainly not what most sane people do.
And then struggling with them. If you wanted a recipe for “suicide by cop” that would be pretty much perfect.
I never get stopped by police and don’t carry firearms, but if I found myself in the situation where I was doing both, I would be darn sure I told them I had a gun and would go out of my way to be compliant. Law enforcement is a dangerous job. You can’t blame the officers for being a bit twitchy.
This is well known by those riling up the useful idiots who are dumb enough to think they’re stunning and brave for obstructing federal law enforcement.
Thanks. The SIG P320 is famous for unintentional firing. The cop undoubtedly had good trigger discipline (trigger finger straight along the frame), as all of us gun nuts do. I even do this with my electric drill, it's so ingrained.
For more context on on the Sig P320 safety concerns due to unintentional discharge (generated by Grok):
The handgun recovered from Alex Pretti, the 37-year-old individual fatally shot by federal agents during the January 24, 2026, incident in Minneapolis, was identified as a SIG Sauer P320.  This model has been the subject of extensive reporting in gun-related and law enforcement publications regarding safety concerns, including allegations of a “hair trigger” sensitivity and unintended discharges where the pistol fires without the trigger being pulled.
Key examples include:
• Multiple investigations and lawsuits highlighting over 80 incidents of the P320 discharging unintentionally, often while holstered or during handling, as detailed in firearms policy reporting. 
• Reports of the pistol firing on its own in military and law enforcement contexts, with no trigger pull involved, leading to injuries among users.  
• A specific lawsuit from a police officer claiming a holstered P320 discharged due to a “hair trigger,” causing injury without any contact with the trigger. 
• Broader coverage in law enforcement outlets discussing the P320’s design flaws, prompting some agencies to reconsider its use and leading to temporary suspensions in military units following accidental firings.   
Yep. The situation is made more complex by the fact that particular gun has a habit of going off without a trigger pull, so we can't state outright that the officer was being negligent with the gun.
Those pallets of bricks didn't show up out of nowhere.
There are factions of people -- in this country and around the world -- who are actively fomenting this chaos because they want to take control of whatever comes next.
No striker-fired gun is truly drop safe, but the early models of this gun were particular susceptible to firing when dropped. Since then though, they've added a lot of drop safety features.
People (including law enforcement) ND all the time, especially in stressful situations. 999/1000, its user error.
Is any gun really drop safe? I know a range officer in Rochester who was killed after a CZ Shadow 1 didn’t go correctly into the competitors holster and fell on the hammer and killed my friend. My double action revolver might be as it has no spur. guns are not toys to be dropped
Gunmaker SIG Sauer Found Liable in Shooting Accident
A Georgia jury concluded that the company had failed to adequately warn consumers about the risk of its most popular gun, the P320, unintentionally discharging.
The smug gestapo like tactics by the undertrained thugs and criminals that are hiding behind masks are the villains and no amount of propaganda will change that: https://substack.com/@steveschmidt/p-185727901
"while a family begins the longest night of their lives."
"What we know is that the Rump’s secret police executed a 37-year-old American man, shooting him 10 times in the back of the head and neck."
The appeals to emotion are signalling, signals of motivated reasoning intended to bypass cognitive processes and activate an amygdalic response.
"Family." "Secret police." "Executed."
It's not worth the effort to filter out such noise. The event is entirely decontextualized at this point, and leftist propaganda is of no more worth than rightist propaganda.
Nothing has changed in the last six decades that I've been observing how people allow themselves to be emotionally manipulated for the benefit of political actors; people serve their own interests and spare no effort to convince others to work against *their* own interests.
When all of the evidence has been presented, we may (or may not) know whether the officer should face disciplinary action. Pictures of the deceased as a backpacker, are memetic appeals to emotion. If he was involved with other actions that physically interfered with the officers, it is noteworthy that they are not acknowledged and distributed, rather than bucolic woodland scenes.
The only people that would spend the time watching the full video, are those who have already decided that physically interfering with police officers, is something everyone has a right to do, whether it's a lawful act or not.
It seems plausible that they were privy to a series of overwrought, highly emotional outbursts, containing inflammatory and threatening language, indicating an impulse to "do something about" what was perceived as a threat to his person.
When we reflect on the rhetoric, it is all framed as an appeal to self-interest. All the "first they came for the...." hyperbole, is intended to convey a personal threat.
Consider the "jobs Americans won't do" and the "price of food will go up" arguments. The former is projection; the person saying it, is speaking for themself, signalling that they are able to make a living more easily than that.
The latter, contradicts the former when deployed in the same argumentation. It is also obsolete; those jobs are no longer reserved to agricultural labor. Construction pays well, which is why it was the logical target for illegal labor.
Bottom line, is that the "more expensive food" talking point, entirely obviates any "egalitarian" sentiment or rhetoric. It's hard work, and the American dream is "work hard and you will be rewarded."
The "left" used to campaign for higher wages when folks work hard. Agriculture is, apparently, not the sort of "hard work" that "deserves" higher pay, when that means that the price goes up for the activists.
They cloak their self-interest in fine-sounding rhetoric, but reveal themselves as being just as "selfish" as the "right wing" they militate against.
It's no accident that the more affluent (meaning "not poor") are organizing the illegal activity; they have their pensions and 401K accounts to fund, and their portfolio yields go down in direct correlation with lower corporate gross profits.
The virtue-rhetoric originating with those who have enough and gain by preserving the status quo, convinces those citizens who struggle to earn basic food and shelter, to agitate against their own interests.
It's all really quite fascinating, albeit in a rather horrifying sort of way.
I've had conversations with two lifelong close friends, within the last few days, each overwhelmingly livid with rage, both repeating MSM narratives. Neither had stepped beyond the leftist narrative, both are typically centrists that value truth and a balanced viewpoint.
Well... it was no easier to get past such things as the Hearst editorial bias, back in the day. About all one can do, is to filter out the modifiers. verify every assertion and pay attention to one's internal emotional state.
Absolutely. I am willing to listen, but make a case this isn't based on narratives, unsupported generalizations, provably false "facts" or theater.
It is so tiring, I feel bad I have given up, but I am like zero for thousand on anything left of center leaving me with any amount of, "hey that is a good point, justified, I didn't think of that"
He’s quoting Dean Blundell and Steve Schmidt. There is a higher likelihood you’ll find a giftwrapped package of sparkle-pink unicorn poop in there than *any* rationally argued point, good or not.
friend enemy distinction. the agents did nothing wrong, but even if they did, i don’t care about anything bad happening to my enemies and i don’t see why i should extend them a fairness they would never give to me
Excellent . It’s complicated . These 2 Minnesota people were set up . A nation wide organization ( call it Antifa for argument sake ) has been set up in “ sanctuary cities “ to subvert ICE . They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE . We can get lost in the weeds analyzing video . The bigger picture is a democratic operation is being subverted . Compare this to the ICE operation in Louisiana where local police and officials co operate . No riot . No scene . Targeted illegal Immigrants were apprehended and ICE left . The rest of the country did not even know . The NYT and MSM didn’t even bother to cover the operation. It’s a war here in the USA . A war that should be happening in Germany if anyone there cares about Germanic culture …an amazing culture .
Don't think that is the case, though it wasn't until Biden that the border guard was abandoned. Obama was a creation of the Left and so whatever he did was fine.
Yes, "They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE" but this goes much deeper than Democrats verses Republicans, illegals have been allowed and encouraged to flood here since the 1965 immigration bill and no Zionist controlled administration, Congress law-makers, Justice or Federal powerful has done or tried to do anything to change the flooding of lawless easily exploited and abused cheap low skill labor, as legal immigration laws imports cheaper higher-skilled labor. Increase crime, destroy unified communities, inject peoples hostile to traditional majority-white Christian based cultures ..
Remember that President Trump stop ICE from exercising the laws when the illegals were being abused by hotels and farmers? I picked peppers beside migrant workers and could double the minimum wage other jobs in area were paying by working hard one summer between HS, I was sorry when all the work was done - Americans can and would do those jobs, and we could report employers abuses. ..
Anyway, As long as wages will not be forced up, or employers can still abuse workers, and housing costs stay cripplingly high, and social-services are taxed towards failure, and crimes stay high, and medical services are taxed, .. .. as long as all those things and culture and political and racial and other fighting destroys the West - Zionists will allow some illegals to be removed.
There has been a coordinated slow genocide of Western majority-white Christian-based peoples and cultures that accelerated from the late 1950s once the basic roots had been poisoned; education, media, religion, freedom to live in similar communities, family & local & Church mutual support, elder wisdom good & respected, ...
Look at the patterns. I argue that the destructive forces have always been harming and soul-murdering us. Since 1960s there have been so many genocidal policies .. with 1.5 Billions dead.
Yes it is deliberate . White Europeans are being replaced . I’m 79 . My high schools was 100% white ( Gemini) ..not 90 or 80 ..100% .Mostly Jewish and Italian . When I got to UCLA in 1965 it was mostly white . I mean black football and basketball team members . But even in SoCal I don’t remember Mexicans . The gardeners in Beverly Hills were all Japanese. Gemini says in 1950 the USA was 88% White European ..you know , the men who in rented and built …everything ! We are now at 57% . The trend is clear . It should alarm young people because Historically when a majority population becomes the minority,they are not treated well . You,can already see it with the hatred toward White straight men .
My hopes are dashed . In 1994 California has a referendum on “ no more Mexicans “ . Prop 187 . It passed with 60% and amazingly near 40 Hispanics . Nothing happened . The number of Mexicans has tripled since then . Democracy is a joke . A failed experiment . It is only a recent development as the Greeks and Romans discovered early on ..it doesn’t work
I started down my rabbit-hole when I started to research how we and rest of west went from the sane trusting wealthy politically-powerful Christian-virtue based society where even strangers would help someone, and standing-up for truth, justice, good-order, Charity, and other goodness was what men and growing boys did, and women supported.
First - poverty, political powerlessness, failure to support even small family without government .. gov and corporate coordination of wage and political suppression started in 1979, ..
And from there, back to figure why womanhood because so Sick and insane, then mothers, and generations of children .. as can be found in sources in the above article mentioned that you replied too.
I'm 62 and started to watch world in early 1970s. You are a decade older, and watched the Welfare Poison, the Civil Rights, the Immigration, the Birth-control, the Satanic take-over of Vatican, the Pornography, the .. Poisons.
Well my preference would be the corporate model . Top down . The military also is top down . Steve Jobs as CEO ( president ) , with a bd of directors ( voters ) every 4 years . But when you elect him you get …Steve Jobs ..who was not fun to work for . But I’d settle for the President having more power like FDR had . That’s a good way to think of it .
Fundamental facts of life in the US include that riots, deliberately obstructing law enforcement activity, and/or physically resisting federal agents all put civilian and officer lives at risk. Having local police stand down instead of enforcing basic order & controlling crowds heightens threats to life and limb for all. Raising law officers' tensions AND carrying a pistol while breaking other laws, especially interfering with or obstructing LEOs, increases risk of death probably infinitely. And LEOs are almost never legally at fault when they respond to perceived immediate threats, especially in riots or any other kind of tumultuous situation.
Worth noting/repeating that the "resist" set-up is PR theater with deadly serious goals: to (1) distract from & protect gigantic organized crime, and/or (2) damage Trump if not kick off hot civil war.
In terms of correcting their framing, I'll offer a few other notes on the letter of US law, SCOTUS rulings, and/or "qualified immunity". I think the other point I haven't seen made often enough is that a guy with a gun and 2 extra mags easily might have another gun tucked away.
Anyway, IANAL but my summary is:
*There is no right to protest/riot (enumerated rights: peaceably to assemble; petition govt for redress of grievances); courts strongly defer to LEOs in context of split-second decisions, especially in chaotic or threatening circumstances; and outside those circumstances qualified immunity kicks in, especially for feds.*
NB: QI is a whole other ball of wax, but almost nothing ICE does while being exposed to life-and-death threats with no state level support or protection could conceivably fail QI (i.e., they will never nohow no way be prosecutable).
Citations - 1stA (US Constitution); Graham v Connor, Tennessee v Garner, Brosseau v Haugen, Scott v Harris, Plumhoff v Rickard, Mullenix v Luna, White v Pauly, Barnes v Felix, et alia (SCOTUS)
I suspect that both these killings are set up, or AI generated. I do not believe the Kirk "killing" to be genuine either.
Most of the terrorist atrocities are faked by intelligence in order to bring about the conditions they want. There is ample evidence of crisis actors being used, sometimes the same one repeatedly.
In the present case they want chaos and civil war in the USA.
Do you never question why there is always good footage of these atrocities to spread all over the internet- yet when Epstein "dies" for example all the cameras suddenly misfunction?
Yes, that's a great suggestion. Anybody who questions anything should definitely be psychoanalyzed for their own good. I like it! And I'm sure governments everywhere will like it too.
And of course, we can prove that these two killings happened, can't we? We've seen the bullet-riddled corpses lying on the slab, haven't we? And studied the coroners' reports? We're not just relying on dodgy videos and dodgy MSM reporting, are we?
I don't think Gail was being very kind or very helpful with her sarky comment. So I've made an equally sarky reply to her in your defense.
I think we need a word or idiom to describe the dismissive way some people dismiss suggestions or ideas that they are unable to accept due to their own psychological problems and limitations. There must be such a word or idiom, but I can't think of one at present.
Hang on, let me ask an AI........
AI:
Here are some words and idioms that capture the dismissive behavior you described:
Cognitive Dissonance: This refers to the mental discomfort someone feels when faced with information that conflicts with their beliefs or values, often resulting in dismissive behavior.
Defensive Posturing: This idiom describes a person's attempt to protect themselves from emotional discomfort, often leading to dismissing others' views.
Throwing Shade: This informal expression means to subtly criticize or dismiss someone or their ideas.
In Denial: This phrase indicates a refusal to accept reality or facts, often resulting in dismissing suggestions.
Echo Chamber: While not directly dismissive, it refers to a situation where someone's beliefs are reinforced by communication with like-minded individuals, leading to the rejection of differing ideas.
Narrow-mindedness: This term describes someone who is unwilling to consider new ideas or perspectives.
Confirmation Bias: This is the tendency to favor information that confirms existing beliefs, leading to dismissal of contradictory ideas.
Each of these captures different aspects of the cognitive or emotional processes behind dismissing ideas due to personal limitations.
Thanks for the solidarity. This substack is surprisingly conventional in attitude.
I have noticed that the male(?) commenters get really excited by and immersed in discussing the weaponry and gun details.
There is a negative fascination with guns in the US which is being used to destabilise the country.
There is ample evidence that the US is being destabilised by deep state actors, its own CIA in a form of "colour revolution" that has been used by the US to destroy many outside countries.
Does no-one in the US follow foreign affairs? What do you think happened in most of the South American and Middle Eastern countries when they rejected US economic dominance? Subversion, propaganda, disorder on the streets, death squads, paramilitaries, torture and overthrow.
For Gods sake wake up before this is your fate as well. The US financial empire is collapsing and it is turning on the wealthy countries, its own allies and its own people to confiscate and absorb their assets. It is using familiar techniques previously honed against external "threats" to target its domestic population.. The US based Economic Empire has detached itself completely from national interests and wants to dissolve its domestic financial liabilities – the US population of “deplorables.” You have come full circle.
"Right now, the majority of Americans choose to support, admire, and follow the very people engineering the machinery that is harming their families and themselves. Until that changes, our society will remain “married to the mob.”
This carefully researched article by James A. Lucas documents the more than 20 million lives lost resulting from US-led wars, military coups and intelligence ops carried out in the wake of WWII, in what is euphemistically called the “post-war era” (1945- ).
The extensive loss of life in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine and Libya, Palestine is not included in this study. Nor are the millions of deaths resulting from extreme poverty.
Acts of Economic Warfare
In the post Cold War era, “shock and awe” IMF “economic medicine” applied in countries of the Global South as well as in Eastern Europe has resulted in mass poverty and an unprecedented process of economic and social destruction, under the helm of of the so-called Washington Consensus.
Why have you forsaken to understand things that happen fundamentally. You lost me. That goes back to the killing of Renee Good. A killing no more no less. For fucks sake Eugyppius.
I understand your attitude, and am genuinely curious how you would see both of these incidents proceeding had the shootings not happened.
The protesters are intentionally pushing the envelope. If the envelope just expands, they will be incentivized to keep pushing. Where does everything go? Where will it end?
Renee Good interfered with law enforcement officers during an operation, refused to comply when they told her to get out of the car, turned her car toward an agent right in front of her and gunned straight at him--while another officer had his hands in her window and would have been dragged. Of course she got shot.
And if you doubt the truth of that, you need only look at Abigail Spanberger's first month as governor of Virginia. All the old shitlib madness we thought was finally dead is back, and this time with icepick vengeance.
1. Get as much done as fast as possible . Trump hasn’t gone nearly far enough domestically..He backs down from the judges . He needed to ignore them .
2 . We MUST win in 2028 . They will come for us all if we lose . I would NOT want to be associated with the Trump when that happens . They will jail Peter Navarro again for sure .
If they shot someone who was no current threat to them, then yes they did something wrong. We are not yet at literal war, where the mere status of someone being an enemy combatant means you are entitled to shoot them.
We are definitely getting there, some days more quickly than others, but no we are not quite there yet.
Oh, please. The unwarranted shooting of Babbitt is certainly relevant here, and if you have *something of substance* to say regarding that, by all means say it.
But just repeating (for the 10^6 time) a bumper-sticker slogan is merely bullshit distracting clutter.
The Brits have (maybe once had) a rather quaint official "cause of death" called "death by misadventure."
You attend a "demonstration" -- well, more than a demonstration, since you take explicit actions to impede an armed law enforcement operation -- where you ultimately get apprehended by law enforcement and actively resist arrest while armed yourself... while all the while "your side" is busy intentionally creating chaos and confusion with their whistles, screaming, car horns, and continuous duck calls of "what the fuck" (really, they should just print it on flags and tee shirts and save their voices)... and in all the distraction and fog of war (which your "friends" are deliberately creating, mind you), you get shot.
Is this misadventure? It sure sounds like misadventure to me.
Libtards haven't internalized the downside of being Social Justice Warriors -- which is, unlucky warriors get killed, it's right there in the job description.
When one of the law men yelled "Gun!" it became a legal shooting. From the information I have reason to suspect is not likely manipulatively wrong or intended to distort - as False-Witnessing is no longer punished as it should be (public pain and shame - tasered till pissing and screaming) - we generally must assume anything amplified by corporate mass-media and political agents, the type of handgun was removed from the violent criminal and misfired as that type has been known to do.
This guy is known as a 2nd Amendment self-defense specialist lawyer, and I found his general no-nonsense analyses valuable.
There are so many people that should be secured to a pole or tree in public and tasered till pissing and screaming for the intentional false-witnessing that I can't count. Image all those media reporters, media producers, media owners, public 'witnesses', political agents that report unknowns and unknowables as facts, elected political muppets of Zionists and other Satanic minions and their enslaved golems ..
.. imagine if such was the punishment - or worse if lies caused deaths like the Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction war for Zionists .. "Make public Witch-trials and hangings popular again!" (for the unrepenting)
Too bad the wide-spread practice of Witch Trials and public hangings were foolishly ended and false history created that gave them a bad reputation!
Yes. This is the same Mass Formation Psychosis we saw during Covid, egged on by the same politicians, afflicting mostly the same people. It's a reminder that we're already in a kind of war and have been since 2020. Covid was when we learned who these people are, just how 'American' their ideas are and what they're capable of.
That ICU nurse who got himself shot was almost certainly an enthusiastic enforcer of hospital policies forbidding family members to visit their dying loved ones.
The growing population that can no longer be considered self-aware and self-directed is so easily manipulated by mass media that by Framing law-enforcement efforts to remove the massive numbers of illegal aliens that have been the tools of powerful forces to cripple and ultimately destroy this and all once majority-white Christian nations as Nazi-like anti-Christian inhumane evil .. with corporate mass media and powerful institutions manipulating the Overton-Window with distorted and false information, warped framing, false or distracting focusing, .. of course violence is the result, and intended.
John Carter wrote a great article on the loss of Homo Sapiens (self-aware man) to Homo Unbrans (shadow-man) which I integrated with what was the Key-Log event that broke our Western, and finally world-wide, minds.
Lost in the shuffle of all of this insanity are two things. ICE are not stormtroopers, they are not Trump's Gestapo or any other nonsense. They are a law enforcement division tasked with enforcing the immigration laws created BY CONGRESS. ICE itself was created by the passage of the Patriot Act again BY CONGRESS. So if you have a problem with ICE, you can blame Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all the rest who voted to create this. Second, why is this happening in Minnesota and not say, Tennessee? Because normal, sane governors and local officials arrest illegal immigrants on criminal charges and then contact ICE to see if they have pending removal orders and HAND THEM OVER peacefully for departation. Minnesota and the rest of the "sanctuary" places check to see if they have pending removal orders and then RELEASE THEM back out into society to assist in their violation of the law purposefully because they believe illegal immigrants have special status and special privileges that your or I would never get. This is why ICE appears to be "patrolling the streets looking for brown people" because they are forced to go serve warrants at residences increasing the danger level, to apprehend often violent criminals who should have simply been handed over to them while in custody. And furthermore these people in the streets are not 'protestors.' Protestors go picket in front of City Hall, they do not go into the field and impede law enforcement. If the FBI showed up to arrest the head of the Gambino crime family and a bunch of his 'goombas' parked their cars across the street and honked their horns and tried to "de-arrest" the Don, do you think they would be called protestors by the media?
Excellent . I would only add that for years the Democrat Party has claimed they are “ Saving Democracy “ …yeah …when the vote goes their way .
Spot on about Tennessee and Louisiana. ICE showed up , apprehended targeted immigrants and left . Radio silence . Most of the country didn’t even know .
These "protestors" and their bankrollers have now turned into Hamas, just sending civilians out as cannon fodder to generate outrage and sympathy. IT IS CRAZY!
While I can understand the perspective on your comment I think the "Hamas is Everywhere" anthem is a bit jaded. A more insightful comment regarding who may be lurking underneath the forced "kabuki" political theatre was suggested by someone who experienced an earlier round in history:
Solzhentisyn said: “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
Exactly what is going on. BTW about the big lie that Obama deported 3 million illegal aliens. These were Mexicans who were caught at the border, and put on a bus back home. Prior to Obama these were not called deportations. Central Americans caught at the border, cannot be sent home immediately. They need to be flown home and this takes logistics.
Trump cut though all this nonsense by using military aircraft to deport back home.
I know quite a few Russians and Eastern Europeans who overstayed their visas, had a traffic violation, and were put on the next plane smoking back to where they came from...could be why it's just brown people (and lots of Asians-Thailand) that ICE looks for...the white ones left when caught...
I often hear the black and brown rhetoric. There is a reason the optics aren't wrong. Those of European descent came over in floating coffins only to be inspected like cattle at Ellis Island. Old Xers and boomers often had drilled in them gratitude for the sacrifices and hellish conditions their great grandparents experienced. But if you don't see a photo of a 7 year old emerging from a coal mine, you will assume life was always good. For heaven's sake, Karl Marx was writing about pasty white people covered in soot. This is why I find the Nick Fuente types dangerous. They grab hold of a cultural marxist narratives claiming it was always so.
Or you can look at photos of seven-year-old laborers mucking about in toxic African lithium pits -- TODAY -- and realize that although a coal mine isn't what you or I would think of as a good life, it may well represent an improvement over what life originally held for this kid where his parents came from.
I am radical on this subject as well calling EVs tailpipe environmentalism. I've long advocated for oil drilling in the US because we know the risks and have ostensibly the money to clean up after spills. The way I frame it, we're like the neighbor that insist the cesspool pond go on someone else's property to avoid the smell. I went to a Kennedy prez event early in his campaign. The aging hippies showed windmills in the water and appalachians that Kenney had advocated eons ago. They hadn't gotten the update on what a disaster they are.
Who wakes up in the morning and says “ yo7 know what ? Let me see where armed federal agents are today so I can drive there and get in their faces …oh yeah and be
Yeah, I really don't like this part of the argument.
If I knew that libtards in my own region were going to be "activating" against armed feds in who-knows-what neighborhood on some given day, I'd hook on my extra mag myself.
Of course, I wouldn't be looking to run TOWARDS the trouble, and that's the whole difference.
Not just a loaded gun, but a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. Striker fired polymer frame pistols makee nervous as way too easy to unintentionally discharge.
It's just an unimaginably terrible idea to bring a gun to a protest, especially a disorderly protest like this. Just seems like tempting fate, another incident of insanely risky behaviour.
Just please be honest (even though we Western Europeans can't imagine it), gun carriage and possession is widely spread in the US, it's part of the(ir) unique culture. The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it. It's just another guy killed by the current fascist regime in the US. Terribly sorry to see what the general feeling is among the Eugyppius subscribers as well as Eugyppius himself. A person that generated oxygen over the past few years for me personally. I am honestly lost for words.
I'm not trying to justify the shooting, but I think carrying a concealed weapon into conflict zones with armed police is dangerous, and I know enough about American gun culture (having lived there for a few decades) to know this is the kind of thing the concealed carry crowd discourages doing for exactly this reason.
Civil unrest in your city is a premier valid reason to go armed for self-defense.
BUT.
If the unrest comes upon you unwittingly, you run, then hide, then fight. This is the exact same mantra pushed and approved by the civilian disarmament crowd, except that if it ever does reach the point of fighting, you have something more useful in your hand than just your D.
You don't run TO the riot. You don't participate in the unrest. You don't resist police apprehension (ESPECIALLY if armed -- and if it goes there, you volunteer that you are armed).
Unless of course, you are a Social Justice WARRIOR -- then you do ALL of the above, and when your ride to Valhalla arrives, you take it gracefully like a warrior should, and STFU.
Eugyppius, good evening, .... carrying weapons on either side of a conflict zone (whomever created that conflict zone, whomever is responsible for that conflict zone, whomever decided to define it as a 'conflict zone', .... is it 'really' a conflict zone...?) is going to create a human mess, sooner or later. I know you are not trying to justify the shooting, I really do. I am just baffled at how you approach this, against the background of a morally corrupt political US regime.
There's nothing morally corrupt about the current administration. There was a lot wrong with the previous one, though. You're getting the "news" from the same people who ran the last "regime" in the US, the most corrupt we've ever seen. They stole an election to install a demented puppet in the White House, while the actual people running the country were unknown to all of us. We had no idea who was running the country, pushing social media to censor political opponents and spin news to favor the Democrats, and using the power of government to wrongly target innocent people and ruin their lives because they dared oppose the party.
Trump is merely enforcing the law, the same law that every country has, the one supported by the large majority of Americans, the one that says that you have to come in to the country legally through a port of entry, and if not, you are subject to removal. The Democrats running Minnesota are bound by duty to assist federal law enforcement, but they refuse to do so, and are harboring federal fugitives. They are in active rebellion against the lawful authority of the federal government doing its job.
One correction -- they are NOT bound by either law or duty to assist federal law enforcement, there is plenty of precedent on that (all the way up to Prinz v. US). But they ARE bound not to actively impede them (which these politicians are carefully not, so as not to be guilty of insurrection).
However, they have a moral (not legal) duty to the health and safety of their own citizens to remind them that actively impeding feds can get them hurt or dead... and they are doing all they can NOT to do this. They are deliberately using their own citizens as cannon fodder and martyr material.
It does not sound like the shooting was illegal, and was justified in that the law-enforces responded reasonably. "Gun!" was yelled in the middle of interacting with a violent armed man during a crime, a shot was fired immediately later ..
And BTW: If that woman really intended to use her car as a weapon or not, she acted against police direction and in ways that threated others, and law-enforces had reason to believe at least one officer was in danger that could have become deadly.
Car as a deadly weapon. She could have killed or injured some or all of the officers and others near-by with that monster. If you never went to an empty parking-lot and did more than 'donuts' you know that no ANTIFA crowd that surrounded your car acting violent does not risk hospital or worse .. what I could do with my little Dotson B210 with back hand-break and turn-radius that could U-turn on standard 2-lane with only one wheel briefly on shoulder. .. a car like that B210 would likely hang-up once 3 or 4 bodies are pushed together and pile-up, but then you have less rioters to escape from, don't be like that truck-driver in 1993 Back-rioting after rodney-king, dragged out and cinder-block to head and dancing rioters thinking you dead.
.. I realized that person weapons must be kept legal (note the armed Koreans on roof-tops protected businesses and neighbors) and that federal armed troops are sometimes needed, with shoot on sight 'lock-down' areas.
The firey summer of mostly peaceful protests was an example of State and Federal gov failure. All based on false reporting and suppressed information with intention to instigate violence - the Black AG locked away the police cam showing all the respectful caring interaction with George Floyd before he needed that legal restraint - that was part of the training .. the police department head lied and tried to hide the training material about that knee on shoulder restraint. .. There were a few people like those two (AG & Police Head) that in a Just society would have been publicly hanged with those that supported them.
All those murders, looting, fires, public service failures, rapes, .. all the public in those areas that lived in constant fear for their and loved-ones lives!
.. National Guard with shoot on sight in problem areas, and the older adults of those shot found and publicly tasered till pissing and screaming with signs written and displayed so the live video stream and future watchers can read "Mother of fatherless violent criminal" or "Grandmother of fatherless violent criminal" or "Great Aunt of Fatherless violent criminal" .. "He/She never had a decent chance because family roots were sick"
No, that's a stupid rationalization. It's legal to carry a can of gasoline around too, but stupid to show up at a burning building with it. It's legal to carry a chainsaw around too, but stupid to show up at a BLM rally with one.
He knew he was going to a violent protest, he intentionally made that decision to wear his gun when it was inappropriate. Would he go to the beach wearing his gun? Would he play ice hockey or football wearing his gun? Would he wear his gun if he was working construction on a roof?
Guns are tools. His wearing that gun to a violent protest rally was as stupid as taking a sledgehammer or chainsaw or scuba tank.
He did not just put the gun on out of habit and wander off. He chose to do a stupid thing.
That is a retarded answer. We cannot control the future, but we sure as hell can increase the odds in our favor.
Going armed to a violent protest with cops, the violently resisting arrest with said cops, decreased Petti's odds of something bad happen. He chose to do those things.
Making excuses shows your collectivist tendencies, that you do not ascribe agency to individuals, that you want to blame everyone else for Petti choosing voluntarily to do stupid things in stupid places at stupid times with stupid people.
He chose. Petti chose. Yet you absolve him of his stupidity and blame everyone else.
Good evening Chartertopia. I hope you are keeping well. It should be anyone's right to resist fascist behaviour. That's how, in part, we got out of both most recent World Wars. The video shows a lone, not backed up by a pack, individual resisting. He did not deserve to die (nor did Renee Good, nor do the people who will be executed next, and there will be). Absolutely true, he was violently scrambling, as would anybody. I do not understand what you mean by 'collectivist tendencies' but I am ready to hear and hopefully understand more of it. No one chooses at 100% voluntarily. Check your emotions the next time you get cut off in traffic, check your emotions. We may think we are in control at all times, we are not. And therefor we rely on professionally trained force to intervene for the better outcome for anyone. I do not absolve Petti nor do I blame everyone else, please read carefully. All the best.
That is fine Tardigrade. I am sure that if we were not confined to the keyboards and screens we find ourselves behind, we could have meaningful conversations to the benefit for both of us.
By the way: are you not the person who is running a channel on micro "things"....? if so you are solely responsible for me buying a microscope for my daughter. Love your channel, apologies if I am confusing with someone else. Love.
How do you know “he didn’t intend to use it”? Carrying it is at minimum intent to intimidate. You may have not seen the many social media posts exorting protestors to stop protesting and get guns and kill these federal officers, but they are certainly aware of the campaign to start a street war. NO ONE with any common sense pro or anti these efforts would EVER carry a loaded weapon to confront federal officers who are armed. Unless they wish social media martyrdom. Some type of error by the officers was certainly made, and it is unfortunate that they are not armed ( as many police are) with tasers as an additional non lethal option at close quarters. These type of events are precisely why state and local police should be cooperating with the federal officers, at least to the point of being present with enough forces to “protect” the protesters, apprehend any lawbreakers among them, and protect the federal officers from mob violence. These type choice by local governments not to provide such is a deliberate dereliction of their duty TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS, a malign neglect intended to cause these events.
My husband thinks the gun and loaded mags mean that he was planning to use them against ICE. I am willing to think that he just wanted to play revolutionary and carry them to feel like a big man. None of us know why he did it--although we may find out. But whatever the reason, it was NOT an intellgent thing to do.
There's an old saying that carrying a gun for protection means you're more likely to be shot. The presence of firearms often escalates a confrontation.
We're all well-versed in law enforcement from TV and movies ;) and we know that a perpetrator displaying a gun almost never ends well.
How do you know the protester didn't plan on using his gun? Then why bring it?
I'm sad about all that's going on in Minnesota right now, but people being stupid is not helping at all.
When I was a teenager, I took karate classes for awhile. When we started training with weapons, one thing that our instructor said has stood out to me for almost 40 years--if you bring a weapon to a fight, be prepared for it or one just like it to be used against you.
Dude showed up with a gun to a fight, no one should be surprised he was shot.
I’m curious to learn: how do you know whether or not Pretti planned to use his gun that day? The rest of us know only that he did not get the chance in that struggle.
I can’t say for sure, but it looks to me from one of the vids like he was trying to reach for it a moment before he was shot, and that it may have looked exactly that way to the officer who fired first, also not knowing that Pretti had already been disarmed a half second earlier.
But, of course, you and I have the luxury of slow-motion replay, free from the raw urgency of the moment.
Good evening Martyn, I hope you are keeping well. For the sake of human kind let's ask ourselves the question: did either the victim or the law enforcement agent who fired, get out of bed on the day of the event with the idea of getting killed or kill. I honestly believe for both parties it would be a clear 'no'. Therefor, the cheap "you reap what you sow" rhetorique displayed by many subcribers here is a wrong context framing, that's my humble opinion anyway. Which will not matter in the bigger scale of things. Humans (armed/unarmed) get killed by engaging in discussions with, running away from cops, law enforcements, etc.... since when did we decide that the outcome "death", "unalived".... for this type of human behaviour is acceptable? Wishing you a peaceful evening.
Doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places at stupid times increases the odds of dying stupidly. Petti did all four of those, intentionally. He died stupidly.
He chose to legally wear his gun to a violent protest with police. He chose to violently resist arrest. He made those choice, intentionally, voluntarily, stupidly. He may not have deserved to die; very few people do. But he intentionally, voluntarily, chose to do stupid things with stupid people (your choice as to whether that is the ICE cops or the protesters or both) at a stupid place at a stupid time.
The future is uncertain. We can only affect the odds. Petti chose to effect them not in his favor. His death was entirely on him.
His death was definitely not entirely on him, as was the death (killing, I will not budge from that) from Renee Good. If the future is uncertain, and we can only affect the odds, let us then affect the odds in the spirit of true humanity.
When the police are under constant assault and threat of death, you can expect them to behave more aggressively in their own defense. This is pretty obvious stuff.
Police a few decades ago used to shoot at people who ran away. Now they don't. That does not mean they're a fair target by rioters, though. These so-called "protesters" in Minnesota are rioters, and the local police are not doing their duty to put down that riot and restore peace. They are not doing their duty to assist federal law enforcement in performing their lawful duties in enforcing federal law. They are creating the environment where bad things happen by refusing to do their job in maintaining the peace.
If these riots had been stopped by the state authorities as they should have been, there would have been no deaths. The state instead chose to stir the pot and encourage the rioters while doing nothing to stop their unlawful activities, including threatening and interfering with ICE agents who have been threatened with death repeatedly in the last few weeks.
Actually, people fantacize all the time about what they might do in a confrontation, and, they often rehearse it in their minds in advance. So, no, you can't know that he didn't intend to use his gun. You are guilty of projection here, as to what you think your own "lack of intent" might/would be after getting out of bed that day and holstering a gun.
"did either the victim or the law enforcement agent who fired, get out of bed on the day of the event with the idea of getting killed or kill. I honestly believe for both parties it would be a clear 'no'."
What a terrible criterion. Criminal behavior is prone to a "bounded rationality" model under which the expected costs of apprehension and punishment are almost always greatly underestimated. And riot-type behavior leads the pack for being highly opportunistic and group-driven, with minimal individual planning , as the "mob effect" reduces perceived personal accountability and arrest risk.
Firemen don't get up in the morning planning to get burned alive, but some of them will.
Trouble finds you faster when you go out of your way to look for it.
If I -- who have zero intention of participating in "direct action" against ICE -- knew that a local mob intended to harass ICE on a given day, in a neighborhood where I could not avoid being, I might likely do exactly the same. Armament is no indicator of intent.
This is an objectionable "proof of innocence" demand.
Pretti's gun was legal and he was an approved permit holder. His carrying a gun was perfectly lawful, and not in any way a proof of any evil intent.
There is enough about his deliberate actions that day to establish his intent. At which point his decision to go there and do this while armed speaks only to his tactical (lack of) wisdom and his possible (now moot) sentencing enhancements.
'The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it.'
This sounds like projection or wishful thinking. It is also undermined by the fact that he brought two extra clips. Or why did he bring any bullet at all? Or why did he bring a gun at all?
Are you in favor of Democracy and elections ? Perhaps Renée Good and this guy voted for Harris a more illegal immigration . They lost . They get to vote again in 4 years . In the meantime “ Suck it up “ …like I did four 4 years as the Great unwashed Brown faces streamed into my country looking for free stuff .
Sorry, you aren't making sense. Responsible carry is one thing, and most of us take it very seriously. Foolish decisions are quite another thing. The deceased was actively engaged in obstructing law enforcement and had been for some time. He foolishly chose to physically interact with an officer and resisted the ensuing arrest. In the confusion, he was identified as a threat and shot. Responsible carry is a choice.
Reportedly, he did. The law requires the permit and a valid ID to be on the person whenever they are carrying. He had neither, thus not legally carrying.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Americans aren’t walking around with guns on their hips. If you interfere with law enforcement, armed no less, there’s a good chance you’re going to get hurt and maybe killed. Immensely stupid.
John good evening. I know what I am saying. It may not suit your beliefs or experiences, I am willing to agree to that. Why should interfering or standing up against law enforcement lead to bodily harm or being killed? That's where I do not follow nor understand. Law enforcement is made up of humans, humans make mistakes, plenty of them.... on both ends of the spectrum. There's plenty of evidence out there of trigger happy law enforcement agents. Selection, education, training and awareness of the difficulties/complex situations to follow on the daily job is crucial/elementary. Likewise, I have seen morons/idiots/good for nothing challenging/teasing/insulting law and authority just because they can. I do not defend either of them.
I’m not a law enforcement apologist. But if they are involved in an active law enforcement activity, they are under stress. If confronted with a threat, such as a gun or a vehicle or even a belligerent person, they are going to react in a manner to protect themselves and others. Every law enforcement situation for an officer is potentially dangerous. If you interfere, you’re taking a risk of getting hurt. It’s just not smart to do that. It actually doesn’t get more stupid than to interfere with law enforcement while carrying a gun. High likelihood you will be shot and killed.
Every American knows (due to endless video snippets) that in a situation where a group of armed police are dealing with a "perp," if even a single one of the police yells "GUN!" it is almost a certainty that a good deal of fireworks are about to go off, and the perp is more or less sure to meet their maker.
You have zero idea what he planned to do with his loaded firearm.
The salient fact is that he carried a concealed loaded weapon, then got into a violent confrontation with our federal law enforcement officers.
Nor is our government fascist, unless fascist stands for enforcement of the bills as passed by our Senate and House then signed into law by our President. The laws were not passed in the last year by the duly elected federal government.
No you’ve proven beyond doubt that you have little idea or knowledge of what you’re arguing.
Times up. Enforcement of federal laws is not optional and interference in our law enforcement operations is a felony.
If you carry a loaded weapon with two extra clips to a violent protest to prevent law enforcement from doing its job, then interfere with a legal arrest, then you run the risk of getting shot. If he was unarmed he would be alive today.
Jurgen, I appreciate your understanding that guns are part of American culture, but I don’t think you understand the nuances. I’m an American, a gun owner, and a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment, and there is no way I would go to what is highly likely to be a disorderly encounter with federal law enforcement officers while armed. That is so incredibly dumb that I do wonder if he was half planning to shoot an ICE agent or two.
The thing to remember is, cops aren’t supposed to shoot people, even lawbreakers, who do not, in their judgment, pose an immediate threat. If you’re armed, and a law enforcement officer sees this, the likelihood of you being judged an immediate threat just went way up. I’m very aware that unjustified police shootings happen; that’s why I wouldn’t voluntarily increase my chances of being shot by bringing a weapon to a planned interaction with law enforcement.
Incidentally, whether these kinds of actions are “protests” is somewhat debatable. Americans typically envision protests as nonviolent gatherings that are often fully legal. Attempting to disrupt an arrest by federal law enforcement is the kind of thing that would get a person arrested under normal circumstances. Walz and Frey have ensured these aren’t normal circumstances.
Was this a justified shooting? Not with the benefit of hindsight, but the cop was making a snap decision under pressure. It would be hard to prove he didn’t honestly believe Pretti posed a threat. I’m doubtful this would result in prosecution under normal circumstances (or the current abnormal circumstances).
I'm American and I agree. However, in many of our states people frequently carry guns and do not shoot people. I think he was a fool to bring a loaded gun and two loaded mags with him--but I also think he was a fool too better in the first place.
It's always been my understanding that the "suppression of socials" is something done by government cleanup squads after an incident... not something routinely done by perps on the way to glory. (Mouthy idiots who get dragged and shamed are another thing, I understand that motive.)
Why would someone who writes a manifesto (apparently a popular pastime, though not this guy, at least as far as we know) also delete their socials? What's left to hide?
First, you would not bring a semi-automatic 9MM and two clips to a "peaceful" protest against law enforcement, and you certainly would not physically approach those officers to impede them, unless you were intending to shoot those officers, or you had some death wish.
I think in Renée Good case she thought “ I’m a white liberal gay woman “ as if that made her immune . She woke up , checked on where armed men with badges were , then drove there , blocked their cars , smiled crazily and danced as the officers told her to exit the car , then Drove away …who does that ? How do you get to be 37 and know nothing ?
Exactly right. This was suicide by cop. Probably the man-boy wished to either increase his opinion of himself through challenging the authorities (due to a lack of integrity and/or courage exhibited in other areas of his life) or he wished for a heroic obituary in the Minneapolis newspapers.
Spot-on. Voice of Reason. These Europeans have been beaten down by globalists for so long they no longer remember what it is like to have god-given rights, to include free speech and self defense. My 9mm is for self defense.
Going to protest the Government or their armed agents - and planning to get 'interactive' (violent, passive resistant, disruptive, ..) be unarmed. Bring tear-gas protection if you have it. If planning to be peaceful then watch for agents that are intent to give law-enforcement reasons to act with violence .. old Vietnam war protesters that were vets would join together and if someone ran forward and struck out against police line and tried to run back into peaceful protesters would be blocked by vets - pushed back into police to be taken away.
If going to a demonstration that would bring the psycho delusional crazies - like a Civil War monument removal protest to protect important valuable historical monuments to honor things that have been intentionally mis-remembered as part of our traditional majority-white Christian-based culture where Sanity, Truth, Justice, Prudence, Charity, far-thinking, .. creating a future that is better for the children - where that is what a man worked towards and women did also in their once understood important ways ..
.. or any protest where antifa or other Zionist supported and directed groups would likely instigate violence, often with State support as what happened to a number of white men standing against Satan's program soul-enslaved golems with arrests, show trials, long punishments for even smelling a little of masculine values and Love .. protecting others on subway, shooting violent protesters, stopping potentially violent thief 'jogging while black' in your neighborhood after being caught trespassing, and threatening, or even standing in yard armed as possible rioters looters go through your private neighborhood.
Or going through Chicago or Camden or other 'no go zones' we have - You might want to be armed.
If I intend to go armed to a demonstration to shoot cops, I'm not going to waste time directing civilian traffic into a restricted area, or waltzing around taking videos.
I'm going to find a location with high vantage, low detectability, and good hard cover, and then I'm going to *start taking out cops.* Success means getting down to the business you're there for, not farking around drawing unnecessary attention to myself.
That's not what he did. The implication is that it's not why he was there
You earlier stated in the video that he was resisting and "violently scrambling as anybody would." And yes he was doing both of those things - actively impeding law enforcement - but not "as anybody would." Most people obey law enforcement officers if their only intent is civil protest. Once you admit to his violence, you've lost the argument that "he was not impeding." He could have fled when pepper sprayed, but he chose to behave differently. It is far more likely that he was trying to get beaten up on film.
Showed up armed to a confrontation with federal agents, expect such outcomes. The amount of people today twisting themselves into knots trying to make this guy seem innocent when he in fact loaded a pistol and then went to confront federal law enforcement lawfully discharging their duties - anyone doing that was looking for violence. And he found it. Try to stop the feds while carrying a weapon has a very predictable outcome, Dems encouraging their plebs to arm themselves and then confront agents have blood on their hands. They must really be neck deep in fraud and criminality to resort to desperation like this. Make no mistake, they are asking we the public to accept the authority of armed left wing randos to stop the Federal Government whenever they feel like it. Amazing that we’ve come to this.
Correct ,I had to sit back for four years and watch barefoot low IQ brown faces stream across the Rio Grande and walk in and get free food housing medical care …all on my dime . My turn now . Renee Good thought that somehow being a white liberal gay woman gave her the “ moral high ground “ to subvert what I and million of others voted for .to see the back of the heads of the Great Unwashed .
I like to turn things around in order to think about them. So right now I'm imagining the 2A crowd rising up against an authoritarian government force, and what the liberals would have to say about it...
Edit to add: from replies, I think my comment was misunderstood. I'm just thinking in terms of the hypocrisy of the democratic reaction were the situation reversed.
5 years ago this month my cousin informed me he was going to go to J6 and that he was going to be armed, you can imagine the hyperbolic reasoning behind such an intent. I spent two hours with him on the phone talking him down, I especially made the point to him that showing up armed in public at an event where there is even the potential of a confrontation with LE will be presumed by authorities as intent to do violence to LE and in no case will you ever be the innocent party in the event something goes wrong. Your mere armed presence is sufficient grounds to presume the worst. Same applies here, and that will not change. The Dems are fools to expect the government and the public to accept this, arguing that Pretti was in any way a victim here is tantamount to insurrection. It’s why I think the desperation runs deeper than acknowledged.
I know of a case (in fact, I think I once knew the fellow) where a J6 protestor sympathizer stayed over the line in a Virginia lodging with a supply of (perfectly legal) firearms, with the understanding that the firearms would be made available to protestors (breaching DC's city-wide gun exclusion zone) only if the stuff really, REALLY hit the fan -- which it never did.
He got thrown in the gulag regardless.
So once again, I don't want to hear a FRICKING thing.
As a 2A supporter if I’m bringing my weapon to fight law enforcement (even justly) then I expect law enforcement to respond with deadly force. I’m saying we have entered the one side wins zone. I don’t have a lot of issues on the 2A front. He was interfering with police while carrying a weapon. Things can go wrong quickly and they did.
Yes, that is my sense, they are pushing this to a place where one side must lose, and lose it all. They have already announced their intention to imprison everyone in the Trump Administration and even federal law enforcement officials should they ever get back into power, so they took away any off ramp the Administration might have used even if they were so inclined. Now to give an inch would be literal suicide.
I liken these anti-ICE protests as similar to the Boston Tea Part of 1773 which arguably triggered the war of independence. The colonists tarred and feathered Stamp Act agents and customs collectors. It's all in a very noble tradition of fighting against the government.
Except the colonists were fighting taxation without representation. These people are fighting a duly elected representative government. One was fighting for the popular will, the other is fighting against it. They are not the same.
These people have deluded themselves that they ARE the popular will, despite having lost not just the Electoral College, but the POPULAR election count. What they ARE are a loud, small cadre of cannon fodder groomed by criminal politicians and Marxist educators.
"I'm just thinking in terms of the hypocrisy of the democratic reaction where the situation reversed."
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They are what John Carter defines as "Homo Umbrans" (Shadow-Man) lacking self-awareness. I expanded his classification back to the Key-Lock mutation that forced the loss of sane self-awareness, if interested.
Love that image. I call it the Neil Young syndrome. Anti-authoritarian from 1960s until 2021, then authoritarian for 4 years of Covid, now anti-authoritarian again, and claiming they never changed at any point in time.
Ok, I know this post isn’t exactly on what actual mechanics led to shooting the suspect in the back on an icy Minnesota street. I’m just looking from a bird eye view as a proper tort action would include that if Governor Walz and Mayor Frey had actually used their law enforcement to protect the federal officers doing their job, none of this would happen. If Walz had illegal immigrants actually handed over to ICE at the jailhouse as required by federal law, before being released, none of this would happen. The shooting happened in front of a dilapidated building that house 184 presumably illegal healthcare front that reaped millions every year. The protestors are using a Signal platform to track license plates and debank certain individuals, all with using state resources and databases to accomplish this. The Signal chat was hacked by @0hour1 and it showed many city officials involved in the malfeasance. It is highly coordinated with quadrants and food and hot drinks, etc. So this individual was deployed and actively ordering cars to block ICE.
All of these things I described are chargeable under federal law, but by hook or by crook, AG Bondi will not do it. It would require competence and excellent writers who work with speed to dismantle this entire affray. Is she incompetent or incompetent by design? I do wish JD would get someone in her office to finally write and file these things, I’m sure he’s frustrated beyond belief. So many charges, so many!
The Tenth Amendment says states cannot be required to assist in a federal government action, only not to actively resist it (except for things like lawsuits, which are fine).
The real injured party here are the citizens, who are being used as cannon fodder by their masters. And there may be no action there, because of a 200-year string of "no duty to protect" decisions (sample: South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (HOW) 396,15 L.Ed., 433 (1856)) ruling that local law enforcement has no duty to protect any particular individuals, only a general duty to enforce the laws.
However, I'm much less expert on what legal duties might be able to be assessed against politicians who are NOT police, and the welfare of much larger assemblages of individuals.
I guess I’m writing that because earlier today the Signal chat helping the organized protestors follow and identify cars using DMV databases was hacked and the Lt. Governor of MN was one of the leaders. They must be using the DMV database because they had realtime data about all of the cars. That seems to link the Governor’s team directly to the protestors. I don’t know if anything like this has ever been litigated before? It seems novel and sadly, I seriously doubt Bondi would be able to understand how she would need to address the legal issues in a charging document. Sigh.
The FBI is perfectly capable of doing that work... if they are inclined to. I won't even try to predict. That would lead to a criminal case, which would be perfectly fine by me. That woman is bound to be every bit as dirty as Krystle Matthews.
As sad as it is, I doubt the political left in the U.S. cares one bit that this man has lost his life. I am more confident that they are happy to have another martyr they can use to ratchet up the rhetoric. Sadly, useful idiots like Pretti pay with their lives while the coordinators of this chaos secretly celebrate, thinking this might be a trigger to unleash more of these protests nationwide. Living and operating in their bubble seems to convince them that they are supported by a majority. Whether or not this is true, I don't know - but I doubt it.
I saw a recent poll in which US voters are now roughly 25% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 50% independent. It's open to speculation how many of those independents are in the blue bubble.
I always wonder what percentage of "independents" are independents because they fear to let others know their true preferences, as opposed to how many are just ashamed at the egregious flaws of their preferred party.
I've always been registered as independent (voting generally Democratic, until the last election), aside from brief stints switching to either party in order to vote in a primary.
But now whenever asked on surveys or whatever, I always write “unaffiliated”. I'm ashamed of both of them.
This January in my part of Britain has been the darkest I can remember. We’ve maybe had two or three days when the sun has been visible, otherwise the murk has been overwhelming. It can be very wearing and I sympathise with you.
You should Embrace the Suck and go skiing (downhill or crosscountry), snowshoeing, or sledding to lighten your mood. Xcountry is better than running on the knees IMO. Bring some wine with you too! ;-)
This is also true for South Wales where I live, as well as for the Midlands, according to friends living there: it;s dispiriting, and even the resident robin is late with his morning song and not sounding chipper at all.
Still ... won't be long and we can moan about the clocks going forward.
This is why I have never complained about the constant sunshine and high summer temperatures in Arizona. I remember what snowbelt state winters were like during the first 36 years of my life. Never again. My time up north is limited to June through October.
So, sure, it’s tragic that there may have been someone needlessly die. But let’s not forget that the guy who was shot decided to show up with a gun and try to interfere with law enforcement. I don’t think this situation would’ve ended any better if he’d done this with regular police who were trying to arrest a criminal. Bring a gun out with law enforcement and then interfere with their operations and resist arrest, and bad things will happen.
One criminal lawyer on YT has pointed out that even undercover cops have been shot by uniformed cops...
If these were football games, what goes on afterwards would be referred to as armchair quarterbacking...if one is not in the heat at the time, one really cannot know...
Don’t approach armed law enforcement officers with a firearm. Especially when they have been targets and have recently had their colleagues shot and killed. Also don’t point your vehicle at them either and then accelerate. LDS, Liberal Derangement Syndrome!
That’s a grown man. He should have enough sense to stay away.
Maybe he wasn’t raised by parents who told him to stay out of trouble, stay away from troublemakers, and that if he was just present when a troublemaker caused trouble he was equally to blame, but that is where being an adult is supposed to restrain you from dangerous actions.
If I had to guess, I’m not the only normal in America who is just through with all of the performative nonsense.
The left is having a temper tantrum because they aren’t getting their way. It’s sedition. We’ve been watching this garbage for ten years. I want heads to roll.
Actually, it’s being reported that his parents specifically warned him not to confront the police just a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately, he didn’t listen to his parents!
His parents - he grew-up in a two-parent household?! He had a father and still he was that twisted?
.. his father must have been under constant no-fault divorce rape threat like what happened with my family. When I was pretty young, he must have been masculine Loving and demanded she make needed changes (being farsighted and willing and expecting her also to sacrifice for family), and so she grabbed us and moved out-of-state to be near her parents .. 6-8 months fatherless screwed us children up as it harmed him and her of course, selfish bitch, we finally returned but the threat was always there, and he could no longer be a father to us or husband to her because she always could force him under threat with State support.
.. this was before women were empowered to murder our babies and brothers and sisters on any whim, women were already Sick and starting to destroy our culture like the mind-broken demonically programmed 5th-column Golem army of Synagogue of Death and Hell serving Satan, as too many clearly are today.
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I wrote about it, and the sources outline all this, and Grandmother generational Wisdom was Demonically modified into Grandmother Poison.
To be honest, I have struggled to understand all this ICE stuff, what with not being an American and not being in the USA. The ICE people are some sort of border force policemen who have been tasked with finding and deporting illegal immigrants? Whilst doing so they are being hassled by what appear to be mostly middle-aged, middle-class women and blokes who look like geography teachers. They appear to oppose the removal of illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants presumably don't want to leave but don't appear to be the ones waving guns around or driving large motor cars. Why are people objecting to the rounding up of illegal immigrants who arrived illegally and, presumably, live on benefits, handouts and black-market work (which undercuts legal citizens)? I would quite like the ICE people to come over to the UK (although probably without their guns - big sticks would be safer) as I think we Brits would be easier to pacify and our illegals are mostly easy to locate, what with being lodged at our expense in nice hotels and hostels.
You wouldn't believe it, but the biggest crisism I heard from white people suffering from suicidal empathy (more like narcissism) is the optics. They don't like people being dragged off in public and equates it to authoritarianism. These people aren't serious people. There's even talk now that this will threaten the republicans' majority in the senate and that they will lose their majority come mid terms
"this will threaten the republicans' majority in the senate and that they will lose their majority come mid terms"
It would be overkill for this purpose. Our Republican legislators are so lackadaisical and nonproductive that such can be accomplished merely by an unseasonable string of cloudy days.
So different Zionist controlled law-makers and executives and some Judges will mean a slightly more or less open path into deeper Hell. Yes, vote harder next time - you'll feel like that 4 year old in the car child-seat with the plastic steering-wheel .. not even noticing that dad has been divorced-raped and psycho-delusional mom is taking you to get your 45th 'vaccine' filled with mercury, aluminum, other poisons of the Gene-modifier that turns you into their intellectual property like genetically modify corn, and they legally own you - for Satan?
Google Cloward-Piven for starters. There are many articles regarding what is going on in the Western countries...I would recommend ZeroHedge on Telegram.
Congratulations. You clearly understand the problem more clearly than 96% of our big-name "journalists."
Which means don't come here in hopes of work, you won't get hired.
Edit: One detail -- although ICE is technically empowered to apprehend any illegal alien for deportation, they're not even doing that at the moment. Right now, they're apprehending ONLY illegal aliens with important criminal charges against them, like violence, rape, pederasty, home invasion, and the like. Democrats naturally defend these scum as they would their family, because... well, perhaps because they are indistinguishable.
Blimey! So you're saying the ICE guys are simply trying to detain the illegal known criminals who have already been arrested on some criminal charge? They aren't actually going after the illegal cleaning lady but the blokes who entered the country illegally and then committed a crime? Do these silly protesters who appear willing to die to defend these criminals know who ICE are trying to arrest?
I went over this last night, with extreme slo-mo videos and whatnot:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/minnesota-shooting-seemingly-caused
To me it looks like the disarming officer accidentally discharges the weapon as he's turning to leave the scene, and that causes the other officers (who just heard GUN!) to start firing.
But make no mistake, this is exactly what Walz and Frey have been hoping for.
Right, this also theory I find most convincing.
Gonna frame this comment and hang it on my wall.
That theory must've originated with you, I think? Didn't realise, some guys in a GC were talking about it. Anyway, I've linked your post, good analysis.
I doubt very much I was the first person in the world to come up with it, and I've seen others today talking about it who don't read my Substack -- so I think it was almost certainly floating around somewhere else.
Until offered another well-vetted theory, I'm sticking with yours. Nice sleuthing!
ditto
I wish I could expand your videos. They are difficult to read on an iPhone.
I put them up on my rumble page, if that helps?
https://rumble.com/user/SimulationCommander14
As you should! Well earned!
Is the criminal illegal in any of the videos? How is he being detained? That had to be completed before the armed spectator was dealt with. They have a split second to make the most reasonable decision, and act. (Sorry, I follow a government attorney who cites the regulations the government agency will follow.)
Looking forward to your Greenland thoughts.
SCA- I think the geopolitical security for Canada, theUS, and Europe is worth the negotiation continuing for this “patch of ice.” Trump plans to cover it with the Golden Dome. I think NATO’s security leader agrees to a small amount of land for the USA for military reasons.
Supposedly, Pretti had a "SIG P320", (hope I got that remembered correctly!), which has a known defect of accidental discharge. SIG is facing a huge lawsuit(s) over the issue.....
Supposedly, Pretti's gun accidently discharged just after ICE confiscated it, which triggered the shooting. Sorry, not trying to rumor-monger, just sharing what I've been seeing on 2A threads....
Please see my comment to Simulation Commander just above.
I don't care. That's my ultimate position at this point. I just don't fucking care about these retards getting shot.
Sometimes the penalty for being an idiot is death. Pretti found that out yesterday, Good found that out a week or two ago, and it's very likely that quite a few more people will discover that over the next month or so. And I just have too much shit in my own life to give a fuck about idiots dying in service of fucking around and trying to destroy my country.
I realize it's not the most empathic perspective, but here we are anyway. They've just worn out my ability to care.
Good was cosplaying with armed cops in a tense situation, and her spouse shouted "Drive, baby, drive!" Stupidity doubled is still stupid.
Petti went armed to a standoff with cops, then fought arrest. It's hard to imagine any other outcome.
Unfortunately, stupidity makes the news, the media welcomes it, twists it all out of shape, and makes money from the capitalist system they profess to hate.
Exactly! Her girlfriend was heard afterwards, screaming “why did you have real bullets?”
They think they are having a little cosplay adventure or maybe playing a video game, while the law enforcement officers are chasing down and arresting violent criminals.
Yep, stupidity squared!
Yes. Basically don’t play stupid games. Showing up there armed and getting into a confrontation wasn’t smart. Mistakes can and will be made.
Exactly. At Defcon 2004, I went out into the Nevada desert with a bunch of friends to shoot guns and blow up watermelons and Tannerite, which is a commercially available binary explosive. Someone called the police, they showed up in SUVs and a bloody helicopter, and we were clearly *very* well armed. As in, we had more firearms than they brought actual police officers, let alone the amount of ammo we had for each one.
None of us, including the folks there who were foreign nationals, got shot, or even arrested. Because we were calm, and polite, and respectful. We got angry and loud and rude *afterwards*, I'll grant. But at the time, we behaved in a sane fashion, and were not harmed.They even let us sit in the shade of the tailgate of their SUV while they investigated, and thereby avoid a significant sunburn.
I don't know the details on this but somehow the ICE guys saw his gun. I have carried for over 30 years with a permit. I am smart enough to know if law enforcement is doing something where I am there is no way they will see my gun. Florida is open carry now they claim. I have no interest in anyone knowing that I am armed unless they attack me.
I had to look up Tannerite. Looks like fun. There's a brief explanation here, but you must scroll down to "What is Tannerite and How to Use It". https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/tannerite.html
There's more at Tannerite.com, but it is difficult to find a lucid, succinct explanation there.
Just don't use too much.
These people people are martyred; this is not a mistake in the conventional sense. A suicidal sacrifice perhaps, but not a mistake.
It makes me wonder if these "martyr's" know that's what they are being encouraged to be?
My belief is that they did know, either they were selected or volunteered for maximal interruptive actions. Particularly Pretti, because I can't imagine a scenario in which he was just one of many armed protesters. In a melee like that, with multiple armed protesters wouldn't we have seen full on carnage?
Just speculating, of course, that their families are privately well taken care of for the sacrifice.
But beyond that imagine you're just some schmo living in Minneapolis. You're pumped up with rage rhetoric, told that you'll literally go down in history as a righteous fighter against Trump! Against ICE! Against Nazis! And, if you'll suicide, even better. Imagine the power and meaning! This is their religion, their cult.
Don't underestimate the power of stupid. As an owner of multiple firearms I will tell you that casually going around armed is a bad idea. If you are going to do it, you'd better mean it. Confronting Federal officers while armed is possibly the worst idea ever. If you're going to do that, you'd better really mean it, and expect to be shot to boot. Pretti is dead because he was incredibly stupid and some clever people took advantage of his stupidity to forward their cause. Same thing goes for the Good woman.
To elaborate on your point . These people were set up by the organizations to which they belonged . They were brainwashed ( not difficult) as to some higher cause . Antifa got just what they wanted …Chaos .
Now to Renée Good . I believe that she thought that being a white liberal gay woman gave her some immunity. I agree Warmek …stupid . Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ? She then honks her horn and dances madly smiling in her car and then refuses orders to exit the car .Worse she tries to drive away ? How do you get to be 37 and be sooo fn dumb . Oh. Yeah ..she had three children and did this ..God forbid she was home baking cookies ..never! What ? Male patriarchy? Bake cookies ? Yeah dumb Schitt …you be alive
" Who wakes up in the morning , checks their phone to see where armed federal agents are , then drives there to interfere in a democratically elected enforcement operation ?" Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people in Minnesota. A state I will never, ever visit.
As a far far leftie, Good was accustomed to the Biden Administration's wimpy leaders who refused to hold anyone accountable for any bad behavior anywhere. She thought it would be the same....law enforcement wouldn't touch her because she's a woman....and to check another box, she's also gay. She felt she could act with impunity. And law enforcement certainly would not have real bullets in their firearms, right? How naive and stupid can you get!
I agree that the people who are hurt in the leftist chaos were set up. This is one of the reasons we rightists talk about mental virus or viruses. One sick person, a group of sick people, or an organization of infected people with little resistance to the infection spread the virus. The virus shuts down the infected person's common sense and sense of humor (using emotion) in self-defense and tries to replicate. Common sense and sense of humor are part of the normal human psychological defense against mental viruses. Social aversion to losers like Renee Good also helps.
Just as with physical viruses, people vary in their resistance, and the symptoms we see from a given infection vary. I could go on about this, for personally I believe that he human species is infected with multiple mental viruses, including non-political mental viruses.
However, Eugyppius disagrees with my mental virus theory; he looks at the behaviors in question as manifesting stupidity. So I'll shut up about mental viruses for now, and I'll try to work out the notion or find where someone else has later.
I agree with you . A mental illness that renders someone incapable of reason . As an example you could say “ Why did a mother of three children search her phone to where armed men with badges were and then drive there a taunt them . The mental replies “ so you think she deserves to die “ .but I never asked that did I .i asked WHY . Or try this “ Well ,th3 people voted for immigration enforcement “ .THE MENTAL replies “ so ICE should kill innocent people .? It’s hopeless Gary ..they need to be crushed
Mental, emotional and spiritual illness if you ask me. Non-US citizens can't imagine the extent of debauchery and violence in our culture (movies, music, sports, etc), SSRIs and other drugs that float freely here in the states and the loss of a 'moral compass' that united most people under a belief system that includes respect for both our Creator and other human beings.
This is what an anti-God, neo-liberal philosophy has brought us. In an effort to give 'rights' to the fringe, the government have unleased those parts of society to turn on the rest of us.
If anyone hasn't learned this from the coof: they hate us.
Agreed.
You can protest all you like, but don't carry a Sig Sauer with 2 mags when you "protest".
Nope, that doesn’t go far enough.
You can protest, carry a pistol, and extra magazines just fine.
Just don’t interfere with law enforcement officers while doing any of the above.
Or at all.
There are exactly two legitimate avenues for a citizen to direct or contest law enforcement actions : to the elected official giving them orders, and to the specific court with jurisdiction.
Taking direct action is asking to die.
2 legitimate choices, you sure about that?
how did those 2 “legitimate” options turn out durig the covid “flatten the curve” exercise?
you add:
“taking direct action is asking to die” … so protesting peacefully, being detained by law enforcement (ICE), having your legal firearm removed and getting shot for an accidental/incompetent handling discharge while your gun was being “handled” by someone else is “asking to die” …???
if you were peacefully protesting against Biden’s covid mandates while also carrying your legal handgun which went off AFTER you were detained by law enforcement … “you are asking to die”?
do you think Ashli Babbitt was “asking to die”?
Next Question - who switched off the safety to cause an accidental discharge?
You are being fundamentally dishonest.
peaceful assembly and protest isn’t direct action against a law enforcement officer. Ask your local Marxist.
Petti wasn’t just protesting, he was interfering.
Since you are being fundamentally dishonest, there is no point in discussing anything with you.
no douglas, i just pointed out your use of a certain phrase. i have no problem with ICE detaining delusional lefties who think they are fighting for universal justice … but Pretti’s shooting was a mistake. he clearly did not brandish his weapon or attempt to use it on the ICE agents. he didn’t “ask to die”. that was my
point!
for the record, i grew up in communism and am well aware of marxist/communist/neo-marxist propaganda. i legitimately protested the covid mandates in Ottawa and got labelled as a terrorist and got my bank account frozen for it … which is why i pointed that out.
i’m sorry you saw that as me being “fundamentally dishonest”.
In 2010, fifteen thousand people showed up for one of the early TEA party protests downtown in my city. 3,000 were armed. Law enforcement everywhere. Nary an incident.
It’s not the guns.
Probably the TEA party protest people didn't think they were being The Resistance Against The Evil Fascist In The White House. If you whip yourself up into a frenzy of Orange Man Must Be Fought And Defeated, you'll probably do very unwise things at some point.
I spoke to many of them. Actually, they did think they were the resistance, and that’s precisely why they were there.
And still, nary an incident.
I repeat. It’s not the firearms.
I agree with you there. It's not the firearms.
Thanks for the insight - although I find it hard to imagine that the TEA party protesters were as radical and fanaticized as the anti-ICE protesters seem to be.
I would put the same idea differently.
1. I care. Sad to see loss of life, even if they acted like morons with no common sense.
2. ICE must still enforce the law.
Way more deaths reduced that way.
3. We must make the blue states use police to set a barrier around ICE. This is std procedure!!
Or just cooperate with ICE detainers. It's rather surreal that people support a policy where criminal illegal immigrants are protected from ICE. Working with ICE on detainers is the ideal scenario because then there's minimal risk to everyone involved.
I'm actually sad that so very many people seem to have less than zero common sense these days. And they act like ignorant, hysterical children. It's depressing, actually.
Two things.
1. in one way, yr concern is fair. Most Dem “leaders” should have common sense, and appear not to. Exhibit A: Abigail S.
2. lots of unseen people DO still have common sense. We just need to give them the info so they can figure it out. Hence, despite all the lies in WaPo for decades, lots of people saw their way to voting for Trump. But we have to help on the 2026 elections.
"...ignorant, hysterical children." Exactly. When, why, and how did people become indoctrinated with the idea that they need and deserve to have everything exactly as they want it? And if the world does not comply, collective mega-tantrums ensue ...
Honesty is the best policy. Of course insanity is a better defense.
:)
I feel like you, Warmek. I have no energy to care anymore. Severe compassion fatigue.I don't want it to change me as a person, so I just have to shut it down.
i feel the same way -- the MN people refuse to cooperate with ICE, so ICE has a choice -- give up or persist. Giving up would send the message that Trump will give up if you just send enough martyrs to kill themselves. certainly a bad precedent that will lead to more martyrs. Or, ICE officers can become the martyrs, refusing to use force until...until I don't know, a bunch of them are dead I guess. Then Trump will be accused of sending "men to their death." So ... both sides like the current situation of FAFO. This is the Democrats last stand, here in MN, so I do feel like a lot is at stake. If Republicans cave on this, then...game over for them. Democrats here still hold most of the actual power and influence, and their money comes direct from the Treasury.
I don't know what the federal government should do. At this point it seems like intervening would set off violence and not intervening invites people in other states to do the same. There must be more possible responses.
Arrest the figureheads.
You want another response…how about the democrats in all of these blue states act like the US citizens that they are supposed to be and follow the laws that are on the books. They had no problem following these laws when Clinton was deporting illegal aliens nor when Obama was deporting more illegal aliens in one year than had ever been deported. Trump is bad; therefore the inverse of Trump is good. Whether that is protesting deporting rapists, pedophiles, or murderers, or cutting off children’s genitals because the democrat base demands it or letting mental patients compete in girls’ sports because they FEEL their penises shouldn’t count against them
Your last sentence is where the focus should be.
Deffo, cut the money off
And if a few looters had been shot on site during their crimes there probably would be fewer lootings. At least it works that way in Florida during hurricane season
The only difference between what is happening in Minnesota and January 6th is that the J6ers didn't have guns.
There is another big difference. In Minnesota, the protesters are opposing law enforcement to protect criminals. The J6ers were opposing the criminals who have corrupted our elections (this is largely bipartisan, although it seems to be more D than R at the moment). The similarity is only in the protesters being the ones getting killed.
The Minnesota rioters have hundreds of NGO's and leftist bureaucrats supporting and financing them. Big bucks weekly for key rioters. With our tax dollars that have been laundered through these organizations. (See Craigslist if your looking for the gig). Free food, lodging and transportation. Bureaucrats are supplying them access to state records of ice officers and targeted citizens (see Data Republican on X).
Lots and lots of support and planning in Minnesota backed by leftist politicians and bureaucrats. It's the conspiracy that'll get them.
DC was a bunch of out of town people wandering off to the Capitol where FBI plants ushered them in. Not one of them charged for "insurrection" because there wasn't one. They were all charged with trespassing or similar.
Big, big differences.
I think a LOT if not most of the chaos in Minneapolis is deliberately fomented by those (i.e. Democrats) who desperately want to divert attention from the massive Somali welfare fraud that is coming down on them. It's a case of "Hey...look over here, not over there."
And yet they STILL got shot.
To give some perspective on why so many are indifferent, as this is Minneapolis, let us not forget that in the George Floyd Riots about 25 people were killed. They were mostly total innocents, or even saintly, as in the case of retired police captain David Dorn (I think he was called). Did the Left blame the killers? No way.
In concurrence, JD Vance said it perfectly.
“I really don’t care, Margret.”
The problem here is that the democrat media, which still has meaningful reach, is exclusively selling the narrative that these are murders, the enforcement operations are illegitimate, and Trump is hitler.
And the latter is what everybody should care about - the disastrous fallout this causes through media coverage.
It's more about the public opinion battle. The USA today is made up of a pretty questionable bunch, no doubt, but unfortunately they matter. We appear to have irreconcilable differences almost across the board. Still, the future of Trump's many successes depend on public opinion (or on implementing an entirely new system, if that's on your table).
We do NOT have irreconcilable differences. These folks are being paid to do this. It's an attempt at election nullification. They don't like illegal immigration enforcement? Juat give them Barack Obama's rebuke to Eric Kantor - "I won."
A lot of protesters have been photographed at a variety of different protests across the country. There are obviously a lot of paid protesters and I find it amazing that this isn't discussed openly more than it is.
We would be friends. Lol. My only real concern is the political fallout. That said, I'm sure I regret the deaths of Pretti and Good more than Chuck Shumer Nancy Pelosi Tim Walz and the rest of the Dem royalty do. Because they are actually benefitting from those deaths. Which is ghoulish. They should tell their sheep to stand down, but they won't do that because they literally make money off of their death
FAFO!
I agree, Warmek. I have no sympathy for the people who get killed, crippled, arrested, or convicted while willfully and consciously hindering law enforcement. I also have no sympathy for people who favor the population replacement program.
And the issue for me is not strictly population replacement. In 1980, USA population was about 227 million, which was plenty or maybe too many. In 2020, it was 349 million. Meantime, arable, pasture, and feral land near large cities has been built over or paved so the additional 125 million or so can live as rich as they want. I don't believe the climate alarmists, but if the leftists believe them and are conscious, then surely the leftists would want that "developed" land left in production. I want it left in production, and I want healthy wild ecosystems.
Turns out the Petti was part of a group actively interfering with ICE operations in Minneapolis. Group is apparently run by a Walz operative. OMG gained access to their Signal Chat.
Highly recommend everybody to read/listen to that Signal Chat -- it shows exactly how organized these people are.
https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093523733733474
Looked this up last night. Federal violations:
18 USC 111 (“Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees.”),
18 U.S.C. § 231, (which prohibits acts to obstruct, impede, or interfere with law enforcement officers or firefighters during a civil disorder) &
18 USC 372 (criminalizes conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer (in the context of interfering with their duties, akin to 18 U.S.C. § 111).
All felonies.
And in the weeds of the X thread you cite there is an allegation that someone with access to CJIS is aiding this Monarca signal group. That suggests local law enforcement leftist sympathizers are involved. https://x.com/_emergent_/status/2015160467782517058?s=20
"Conspiracy" is what came to my mind. And it is not small.
Someone was delivering cold weather gear, food, hot drinks, anything to help keep the looney lot outside in minus 20 degree weather. The destruction of America is highly organized. Walz made 20 trips to China and has close ties there. He is suspected of providing a top secret document to them, too. We already know he is bereft of honor. And Biden allowed 100,000 CCP military-aged males in through our porous border. Where are they now??
That's exactly the correct word.
It's shocking, although I guess it shouldn't be. Anyone involved in that kind of protest could pull together a manual like that in a few months. Signal groups aren't hard to start, I think. Delivery companies and other organizations put together maps and routes, they can do the same. The doc talks about a dispatcher, so there's either a volunteer or paid person to do that, and license spotters or checkers or some similar word, who apparently look up license numbers sent to them. It's very organized, but a few competent people could do all that organizing. What amazes me is all the people they have participating. How did they manage that?
Propaganda.
Take a look at the "manual" these people are working from --
https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015470423413047597
I've read hundreds of similar documents used by Antifa types. Here's an example:
https://cldc.org/de-arresting
Assessing Risks
Cops receive numerous worst-case scenario, fear-based trainings, in which they are programmed to expect a lethal attack at any moment and be ready to “defend themselves” at all costs. Because they are trained to believe they are a target for violence, cops will likely perceive (or at least claim to perceive) a de-arrest as personally threatening and thus a justification for using force, even lethal force. For example, even inadvertent contact with a cop’s array of weaponry strapped around their waist could be construed as an attempt to take the cop’s weapon to use against them, thus justifying escalated use of force, including potentially deadly force.
This escalated force poses a threat not only to the person(s) trying to de-arrest someone, but also to the person being arrested– as well as any other activists on the scene who may now face adrenalized cops more likely to use violence. A de-arrest may take an event or action to a new threat level, including a level that others may not be prepared for and may not have consented to. A de-arrest may also cause police to adjust their tactics not only in the moment, but at future events or actions, where it is used to justify more cops and faster escalation when responding to a crowd.
Unless you consulted with the person beforehand, it also may not be possible to know whether the person being arrested consents to their de-arrest, including these potential escalated and long-term risks.
I did read the manual, and it didn't make me want to join them. The reason people GET the manual is that they already want to join in. And while I know it's propaganda that does it, I don't understand why anyone would fall for THAT propaganda.
ICE are federal law enforcement officers. The federal laws they're enforcing were passed by Congress, not invented yesterday. The people they're arresting are all here illegally. I understand feeling sorry for people who have fled their countries and entered illegally, I don't understand the rabid defense of people they know nothing about, people who (it turns out) may be defrauding, preying on, and sponging off them.
I know a that a small number very far left people are so far gone in this way that they equate themselves with Germans and Austrians hiding Jews in their basements--but they aren't ANYTHING like Germans and Austrians hiding Jews in their basements. And I don't at all understand what makes ordinary Minnesotans think arrests are "kidnappings," or decide to hop in their cars and "patrol for ICE." It truly baffles me.
I can see people doing some of those things to fight real threats. I live in a neighborhood that was a stop on the Underground Railroad, and some of the people here then hid slaves and snuck them north at night. But these people aren't slaves being sold or Jews being slaughtered, they're people here illegally who are being returned to their actual home countries. I just cannot understand it.
The kidnapping thing comes from a few tactics that are newer. For example, many people are having their legal status ended abruptly, or are being detained for long periods despite valid visas. Take for example the graduate student grabbed off the street after writing a pro-Palestine op-ed. It looked to onlookers like a kidnapping, partly because agents were in plain clothes.
The biggest development though was sending people to CECOT in El Salvador. Deporting folks to their home countries is reasonable. This is life imprisonment in a 3rd country without any charge, trial, conviction, or sentence. It really doesn’t get any more unconstitutional than that.
Border Patrol in Minnesota has been doing citizenship checks with no reasonable suspicion of illegal status. This is not legal, and I certainly don’t want to suddenly live in a country where I need to carry my birth certificate or face being detained indefinitely.
You can support removal of illegal immigrants without supporting these tactics.
I have a whiny post further down about this lol
Sig Sauer apparently has had multiple lawsuits about that particular gun misfiring- even without touching the trigger. I saw a video (where of course, this could be doctored), but he got it to fire without touching the trigger and only touching the barrel. Some of the lawsuits are from law enforcement officers.
Yep. I linked a few of those articles in my breakdown. Many police departments actually stopped using that model because of the issue.
And yet not a single person has been able to cause even one of the Sig guns to accidentally fire without pulling the trigger. Some idiot "modified" one and was able to get it to fire by poking things inside the gun. That doesn't count. This was not a case of a gun "just going off".
I am not so sure about that, but obviously if it's proven that the officer pulled the trigger he should be on the hook for that. (Indeed, he's the only one who could POSSIBLY be facing criminal charges, IMO)
FWIW, it seems that this theory is gaining some traction today.
https://nypost.com/2026/01/25/us-news/alex-prettis-sig-p320-may-have-gone-off-accidentally-experts-suggest/
Rob Dobar, a lawyer for the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, said he believes that Pretti’s gun went off after the agent grabbed it, leading the other agent to open fire.
“I believe it’s highly likely the first shot was a negligent discharge from the agent in the grey jacket after he removed the Sig P320 from Pretti’s holster while exiting the scene,” Dobar said on X.
and this is one reason why you should never bring a gun if you want to express your displeasure with the police! Wrong place, wrong time. I'm looking forward to reading your analysis!
You know that how?
I know for a fact that the US military ordered those weapons to stop being used for at least a while, because I have to pass through an armed checkpoint every day I go into work, which is on a US Air Force base. And at one point a few months ago, all of the airmen were carrying their M4s instead of just pistols for a bit.
That dead airman turned out to be a homicide/ND that the perp lied about and blamed the gun.
Sig does pretty extensive testing on their guns these days, and it's very easy to accidentally discharge a handgun when you're scuffling with it. Seems way more likely to me than the gun going off on its own.
That was older models of the P320, like several years ago and SIG sent out fixes and fixed the gun going forward. I might also add this gun has an aftermarket trigger and god knows what else he did internally. I have 2 320’s modded as well, and *if* I was allowed to or lived in a free country I would in no way use my 320 as a carry gun. Lightening the trigger is for competition or a range toy only.
Different Charlotte here. It’s a deservedly popular 9mm gun; I own a different version of the P320 and I haven’t found one I like better for target shooting. The FBI did extensive testing and came to the conclusion that it can potentially discharge if dropped or slammed against a surface. Since I was always taught that is a possibility, it doesn’t bother me much. I find it difficult to believe the gun can discharge in a completely random fashion, but I’m no expert.
I’m not a weapons expert by any stretch, but I did watch this video- it seems like that gun would be part of any liability issues for the incident going forward?
https://x.com/PatriotVerity/status/2015300731059028310
I imagine it will get a lot of scrutiny.
I think it will be part of the totality of the evidence making the Officer’s split second decision a decision any reasonable officer would make.
I fear I have zero sympathy for anyone who decides to fight with armed government officers, police, soldiers or John Wayne.
Particularly if that 'anyone' is carrying a gun, with or without a permit.
I have a great deal of sympathy for actual citizen revolutionaries rebelling against a tyrant, even with unpermitted weapons. The recent uprising in Iran is an example.
These people in Minnesota and other cities are interfering in perfectly legitimate deportations.
Please search for “The Narrative Initiative” started and perfected in MN before being exported nationally. (Can’t link here for some reason) There is a reason it all starts in MN. If the state would cooperate, Ice would be here and gone. No one is asking why the state isn’t cooperating. Notice how the fraud story link to MN has disappeared? As a Minnesotan, I’m tired of being used for far left agendas as well as the ignorance of the city and suburban dwellers blindly following in suicidal empathy.
I think without the illegals, the entire party collapses because the fraud will become unsustainable.
That's why they're fighting so hard.
How many Minnesotans believe like you do?
From chats and responses, I see very little support for the protestors. I always check location of the person responding. They are MN. Outside of the Twin cities, it is actually a quite conservative state- if you would remove the metro…….
Thank you. Stay safe!
I highly recommend SimCom's article! Also, read his linked article about the Sig P320's unfortunate habit of going off unexpectedly. Like most intelligent people on here, I see the situation as being a tragic, but totally preventable accident. The useful idiots are continuing to do useful idiot stuff and the Leftists are thrilled about it. Their number one goal is to provoke civil war. If Kristi Noeme were to ask me what to do, I'd tell her to simply stop the paramilitary tactics and continue their work undercover....
Your comment prompted the thought of applying, by analogy, the primary assumption of risk theory used in sports, which I find fitting, as so much of this seems like a grisly sporting event. In some states, including, oddly enough, California, if one participates in a sport known to have significant risks, one assumes the risk of death or injury that arises out of such risks. One doesn't even need to sign a waiver for this to be true. So the widow of a rock climbing student who plunges to his death due to the screw-up of his instructor is barred from suing. This is true even if the instructor was negligent - but not reckless. People are often surprised at this. They want to ski the Black Diamond run and sue if they are injured. I am all for protecting the Constitutional right to protesting just like I want to protect one's right to the freedom of expression through sports. But there is responsibility for choices. One can protest in a sympathetic Church, outside an official office, in the park, and on the sidewalks, but if one ups the ante from the bunny or mid-range slope to a run that skiers are told to avoid, my vote is you assume the risk.
Sadly today cops spook me because I known, I spook them. I am an ancient Gen-Xer. I remember the days when cops would pull you over and make you dump your beer or laugh at you that the weed you thought you had was actually something your dealer pulled from his mom’s spice rack. Those are long gone. When my kid got his driver's license, I gave strict instructions on what to do if pulled over. The days of being obnoxiously confrontational or flirty are long over.
What’s missing is any video from before the altercation. I think it matters. Did the woman, or others in that group, do something that endangered others? Did they stand on front of traffic, warn the target of the operation, or physically interfere in the arrest, thus justifying their own arrest? Or were they simply protesting, and the officers got mad and attacked them? They seemed to be want to “get” Mr, Pretti. I’m not saying he deserved to get shot. It’s very sad, and like Ms. Good, seemed like a decent though naive person. But I want to know, were they trying to carry out a justified arrest, or were they simply acting like jack booted thugs?
The man was in the middle of the road directing SUVs to form a barrier at one point.
https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/2015440343383093738
If he wasn't there, carrying a gun- he wouldn't have been shot.
I'm deleting my comment because it seems less and less clear that the information I was relying on was correct.
Thanks for the honesty.
To be clearer and less mysterious, an early report I absorbed was that the homicide victim was not a protester but an actual target of the raid, and had previously been convicted of crimes that would have excluded him from possessing a gun. None of that turns out to have been the case.
That type of gun is known for spontaneous discharges; still, who brings a gun to a confrontation with Border Patrol agents who have been in fear for their lives for months now? Only a loon or someone who wanted to die. He had a permit to carry, but didn't have it with him or ID, as mandated by law, supposedly because, as a member ICE Watch, they advise not to carry ID to slow down the ID process. Yeah, that worked swell. All I can add is this: ICE and BP are deporting tens of thousands in every other state with no drama. This is Walz and Frey's fault to detract from theirs billions in Somali fraud. I want every last illegal out of America. They have taken advantage of our generous nature's and left thousands of dead Americans with their regards. If the cost of getting rid of them is a few anarchists' lives, I'll take that trade all day, every day.
Ohhhh! Do you have a link to the suggestion that protestors don't carry ID? That would be a new twist (at least for me).
It is supposedly in the ICE Watch handbook. I am repeating what I read on X.
Maybe I missed it when I read through, or maybe it's a different handbook.
Being armed and deliberately provocative to other armed men in a situation that’s balanced on a knife edge is asking for trouble.
He put the quarter I’m the jukebox so he gets to dance to the tune.
Why was he armed? Whom did he intend to shoot? He was obviously planning violence.
My husband says if he brought a loaded gun and two full mags, he went with the intention of shooting a lot of people. I'm willing to think he was just LARPing and thought he'd be "ready for anything," but of course neither of us knows what he really thought. However, going to confront law enforcement with a loaded gun and two loaded mags is certainly not what most sane people do.
And then struggling with them. If you wanted a recipe for “suicide by cop” that would be pretty much perfect.
I never get stopped by police and don’t carry firearms, but if I found myself in the situation where I was doing both, I would be darn sure I told them I had a gun and would go out of my way to be compliant. Law enforcement is a dangerous job. You can’t blame the officers for being a bit twitchy.
This is well known by those riling up the useful idiots who are dumb enough to think they’re stunning and brave for obstructing federal law enforcement.
Thanks. The SIG P320 is famous for unintentional firing. The cop undoubtedly had good trigger discipline (trigger finger straight along the frame), as all of us gun nuts do. I even do this with my electric drill, it's so ingrained.
For more context on on the Sig P320 safety concerns due to unintentional discharge (generated by Grok):
The handgun recovered from Alex Pretti, the 37-year-old individual fatally shot by federal agents during the January 24, 2026, incident in Minneapolis, was identified as a SIG Sauer P320.  This model has been the subject of extensive reporting in gun-related and law enforcement publications regarding safety concerns, including allegations of a “hair trigger” sensitivity and unintended discharges where the pistol fires without the trigger being pulled.
Key examples include:
• Multiple investigations and lawsuits highlighting over 80 incidents of the P320 discharging unintentionally, often while holstered or during handling, as detailed in firearms policy reporting. 
• Reports of the pistol firing on its own in military and law enforcement contexts, with no trigger pull involved, leading to injuries among users.  
• A specific lawsuit from a police officer claiming a holstered P320 discharged due to a “hair trigger,” causing injury without any contact with the trigger. 
• Broader coverage in law enforcement outlets discussing the P320’s design flaws, prompting some agencies to reconsider its use and leading to temporary suspensions in military units following accidental firings.   
I have not watched it in slow motion. But from what I can gather, it could have fired accidentally, then everything went to hell
Yep. The situation is made more complex by the fact that particular gun has a habit of going off without a trigger pull, so we can't state outright that the officer was being negligent with the gun.
Some politicians want this to happen sadly
Yep. And people behind the politicians, too.
Those pallets of bricks didn't show up out of nowhere.
There are factions of people -- in this country and around the world -- who are actively fomenting this chaos because they want to take control of whatever comes next.
> that particular gun has a habit of going off without a trigger pull
Wait, WHAT?????
No striker-fired gun is truly drop safe, but the early models of this gun were particular susceptible to firing when dropped. Since then though, they've added a lot of drop safety features.
People (including law enforcement) ND all the time, especially in stressful situations. 999/1000, its user error.
Is any gun really drop safe? I know a range officer in Rochester who was killed after a CZ Shadow 1 didn’t go correctly into the competitors holster and fell on the hammer and killed my friend. My double action revolver might be as it has no spur. guns are not toys to be dropped
Guns are not toys.
Yep.
https://www.thetrace.org/2024/06/sig-sauer-p320-lawsuit-safety-issues/
Gunmaker SIG Sauer Found Liable in Shooting Accident
A Georgia jury concluded that the company had failed to adequately warn consumers about the risk of its most popular gun, the P320, unintentionally discharging.
Yeah, known design flaw in some manufacturing runs. SIG P320.
Not true. Sig has been fully vindicated. If the gun went off someone pulled the trigger.
That I did not know
It's long viral, to the point where if you just websearch the words sig p320, 95% of the hits will be reports on this issue.
> early models of this gun were particular susceptible to firing when dropped
I was not aware of this, thanks!
Why this wasn't a trigger for immediate recall is beyond me, though.
It was widely publicized that any and all guns were repaired for free. The internet is not known for telling you the whole story.
> It was widely publicized that any and all guns were repaired for free.
Then the liability is mostly on the owners (including issuing departments) if they didn't do so.
SIG is not on my radar; I mostly pay attention to Ruger, S&W, and KelTec (for personal reasons.)
Complete bs, no significant journalist believes this crap!
Here are a couple sharp commentators yesterday on it:
https://substack.com/@deanblundell/p-185692259 https://substack.com/@thelefthook/p-185684384
The smug gestapo like tactics by the undertrained thugs and criminals that are hiding behind masks are the villains and no amount of propaganda will change that: https://substack.com/@steveschmidt/p-185727901
Sorry nobody's gonna watch an hour and a half video.
If they made good points, just repeat them.
"while a family begins the longest night of their lives."
"What we know is that the Rump’s secret police executed a 37-year-old American man, shooting him 10 times in the back of the head and neck."
The appeals to emotion are signalling, signals of motivated reasoning intended to bypass cognitive processes and activate an amygdalic response.
"Family." "Secret police." "Executed."
It's not worth the effort to filter out such noise. The event is entirely decontextualized at this point, and leftist propaganda is of no more worth than rightist propaganda.
Nothing has changed in the last six decades that I've been observing how people allow themselves to be emotionally manipulated for the benefit of political actors; people serve their own interests and spare no effort to convince others to work against *their* own interests.
When all of the evidence has been presented, we may (or may not) know whether the officer should face disciplinary action. Pictures of the deceased as a backpacker, are memetic appeals to emotion. If he was involved with other actions that physically interfered with the officers, it is noteworthy that they are not acknowledged and distributed, rather than bucolic woodland scenes.
The only people that would spend the time watching the full video, are those who have already decided that physically interfering with police officers, is something everyone has a right to do, whether it's a lawful act or not.
Pretti's own family was so alarmed that he planned to confront the LEOs that they warned him, "Don't do anything stupid." They knew.
"They knew"
It seems plausible that they were privy to a series of overwrought, highly emotional outbursts, containing inflammatory and threatening language, indicating an impulse to "do something about" what was perceived as a threat to his person.
When we reflect on the rhetoric, it is all framed as an appeal to self-interest. All the "first they came for the...." hyperbole, is intended to convey a personal threat.
Consider the "jobs Americans won't do" and the "price of food will go up" arguments. The former is projection; the person saying it, is speaking for themself, signalling that they are able to make a living more easily than that.
The latter, contradicts the former when deployed in the same argumentation. It is also obsolete; those jobs are no longer reserved to agricultural labor. Construction pays well, which is why it was the logical target for illegal labor.
Bottom line, is that the "more expensive food" talking point, entirely obviates any "egalitarian" sentiment or rhetoric. It's hard work, and the American dream is "work hard and you will be rewarded."
The "left" used to campaign for higher wages when folks work hard. Agriculture is, apparently, not the sort of "hard work" that "deserves" higher pay, when that means that the price goes up for the activists.
They cloak their self-interest in fine-sounding rhetoric, but reveal themselves as being just as "selfish" as the "right wing" they militate against.
It's no accident that the more affluent (meaning "not poor") are organizing the illegal activity; they have their pensions and 401K accounts to fund, and their portfolio yields go down in direct correlation with lower corporate gross profits.
The virtue-rhetoric originating with those who have enough and gain by preserving the status quo, convinces those citizens who struggle to earn basic food and shelter, to agitate against their own interests.
It's all really quite fascinating, albeit in a rather horrifying sort of way.
they must have know he was a bit impulsive. He is somewhere on the internets with a wig and red dress
Thrown in "Secret masked police", as if everybody in the area doesn't know exactly who they are.
I've had conversations with two lifelong close friends, within the last few days, each overwhelmingly livid with rage, both repeating MSM narratives. Neither had stepped beyond the leftist narrative, both are typically centrists that value truth and a balanced viewpoint.
Well... it was no easier to get past such things as the Hearst editorial bias, back in the day. About all one can do, is to filter out the modifiers. verify every assertion and pay attention to one's internal emotional state.
Absolutely. I am willing to listen, but make a case this isn't based on narratives, unsupported generalizations, provably false "facts" or theater.
It is so tiring, I feel bad I have given up, but I am like zero for thousand on anything left of center leaving me with any amount of, "hey that is a good point, justified, I didn't think of that"
He’s quoting Dean Blundell and Steve Schmidt. There is a higher likelihood you’ll find a giftwrapped package of sparkle-pink unicorn poop in there than *any* rationally argued point, good or not.
Everything you contribute is B.S.
pfft.
friend enemy distinction. the agents did nothing wrong, but even if they did, i don’t care about anything bad happening to my enemies and i don’t see why i should extend them a fairness they would never give to me
I'm not going to hyperventilate about it, but I like to understand things that happen fundamentally.
Excellent . It’s complicated . These 2 Minnesota people were set up . A nation wide organization ( call it Antifa for argument sake ) has been set up in “ sanctuary cities “ to subvert ICE . They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE . We can get lost in the weeds analyzing video . The bigger picture is a democratic operation is being subverted . Compare this to the ICE operation in Louisiana where local police and officials co operate . No riot . No scene . Targeted illegal Immigrants were apprehended and ICE left . The rest of the country did not even know . The NYT and MSM didn’t even bother to cover the operation. It’s a war here in the USA . A war that should be happening in Germany if anyone there cares about Germanic culture …an amazing culture .
and compare to Obama deportations. No drama because Obama good, Orange Man bad.
But most deportations under Obama were people turned away a the border. Much less possible drama.
Don't think that is the case, though it wasn't until Biden that the border guard was abandoned. Obama was a creation of the Left and so whatever he did was fine.
No, this is accurate, Barry's numbers were juiced by turnarounds at the border, not true deportations.
Yes, "They got just what they wanted ..2 dead bodies . Demonize ICE" but this goes much deeper than Democrats verses Republicans, illegals have been allowed and encouraged to flood here since the 1965 immigration bill and no Zionist controlled administration, Congress law-makers, Justice or Federal powerful has done or tried to do anything to change the flooding of lawless easily exploited and abused cheap low skill labor, as legal immigration laws imports cheaper higher-skilled labor. Increase crime, destroy unified communities, inject peoples hostile to traditional majority-white Christian based cultures ..
Remember that President Trump stop ICE from exercising the laws when the illegals were being abused by hotels and farmers? I picked peppers beside migrant workers and could double the minimum wage other jobs in area were paying by working hard one summer between HS, I was sorry when all the work was done - Americans can and would do those jobs, and we could report employers abuses. ..
Anyway, As long as wages will not be forced up, or employers can still abuse workers, and housing costs stay cripplingly high, and social-services are taxed towards failure, and crimes stay high, and medical services are taxed, .. .. as long as all those things and culture and political and racial and other fighting destroys the West - Zionists will allow some illegals to be removed.
There has been a coordinated slow genocide of Western majority-white Christian-based peoples and cultures that accelerated from the late 1950s once the basic roots had been poisoned; education, media, religion, freedom to live in similar communities, family & local & Church mutual support, elder wisdom good & respected, ...
Look at the patterns. I argue that the destructive forces have always been harming and soul-murdering us. Since 1960s there have been so many genocidal policies .. with 1.5 Billions dead.
Audio overview of article on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64DKR7CCccE
" .. Indigenousness Traditional Majority-White Christian-Based Western Cultural Genocide Apologetic" https://stevenwork.substack.com/p/multiverse-journal-index-number-2234 https://archive.is/k8BCx
God Bless., Steve
Yes it is deliberate . White Europeans are being replaced . I’m 79 . My high schools was 100% white ( Gemini) ..not 90 or 80 ..100% .Mostly Jewish and Italian . When I got to UCLA in 1965 it was mostly white . I mean black football and basketball team members . But even in SoCal I don’t remember Mexicans . The gardeners in Beverly Hills were all Japanese. Gemini says in 1950 the USA was 88% White European ..you know , the men who in rented and built …everything ! We are now at 57% . The trend is clear . It should alarm young people because Historically when a majority population becomes the minority,they are not treated well . You,can already see it with the hatred toward White straight men .
My hopes are dashed . In 1994 California has a referendum on “ no more Mexicans “ . Prop 187 . It passed with 60% and amazingly near 40 Hispanics . Nothing happened . The number of Mexicans has tripled since then . Democracy is a joke . A failed experiment . It is only a recent development as the Greeks and Romans discovered early on ..it doesn’t work
I started down my rabbit-hole when I started to research how we and rest of west went from the sane trusting wealthy politically-powerful Christian-virtue based society where even strangers would help someone, and standing-up for truth, justice, good-order, Charity, and other goodness was what men and growing boys did, and women supported.
First - poverty, political powerlessness, failure to support even small family without government .. gov and corporate coordination of wage and political suppression started in 1979, ..
Audio overview of following article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVwaglv3hfQ
".. State's Organized Planned Disempowerment of the American Citizen" https://stevenwork.substack.com/p/multiverse-journal-index-number-2223 https://archive.is/jqINM
And from there, back to figure why womanhood because so Sick and insane, then mothers, and generations of children .. as can be found in sources in the above article mentioned that you replied too.
I'm 62 and started to watch world in early 1970s. You are a decade older, and watched the Welfare Poison, the Civil Rights, the Immigration, the Birth-control, the Satanic take-over of Vatican, the Pornography, the .. Poisons.
What replaces it in your experience? Authoritarianism?
Well my preference would be the corporate model . Top down . The military also is top down . Steve Jobs as CEO ( president ) , with a bd of directors ( voters ) every 4 years . But when you elect him you get …Steve Jobs ..who was not fun to work for . But I’d settle for the President having more power like FDR had . That’s a good way to think of it .
Fundamental facts of life in the US include that riots, deliberately obstructing law enforcement activity, and/or physically resisting federal agents all put civilian and officer lives at risk. Having local police stand down instead of enforcing basic order & controlling crowds heightens threats to life and limb for all. Raising law officers' tensions AND carrying a pistol while breaking other laws, especially interfering with or obstructing LEOs, increases risk of death probably infinitely. And LEOs are almost never legally at fault when they respond to perceived immediate threats, especially in riots or any other kind of tumultuous situation.
Worth noting/repeating that the "resist" set-up is PR theater with deadly serious goals: to (1) distract from & protect gigantic organized crime, and/or (2) damage Trump if not kick off hot civil war.
In terms of correcting their framing, I'll offer a few other notes on the letter of US law, SCOTUS rulings, and/or "qualified immunity". I think the other point I haven't seen made often enough is that a guy with a gun and 2 extra mags easily might have another gun tucked away.
Anyway, IANAL but my summary is:
*There is no right to protest/riot (enumerated rights: peaceably to assemble; petition govt for redress of grievances); courts strongly defer to LEOs in context of split-second decisions, especially in chaotic or threatening circumstances; and outside those circumstances qualified immunity kicks in, especially for feds.*
NB: QI is a whole other ball of wax, but almost nothing ICE does while being exposed to life-and-death threats with no state level support or protection could conceivably fail QI (i.e., they will never nohow no way be prosecutable).
Citations - 1stA (US Constitution); Graham v Connor, Tennessee v Garner, Brosseau v Haugen, Scott v Harris, Plumhoff v Rickard, Mullenix v Luna, White v Pauly, Barnes v Felix, et alia (SCOTUS)
I suspect that both these killings are set up, or AI generated. I do not believe the Kirk "killing" to be genuine either.
Most of the terrorist atrocities are faked by intelligence in order to bring about the conditions they want. There is ample evidence of crisis actors being used, sometimes the same one repeatedly.
In the present case they want chaos and civil war in the USA.
Do you never question why there is always good footage of these atrocities to spread all over the internet- yet when Epstein "dies" for example all the cameras suddenly misfunction?
This is another PSYOP. Wake up.
Seek psychological help.
Yes, that's a great suggestion. Anybody who questions anything should definitely be psychoanalyzed for their own good. I like it! And I'm sure governments everywhere will like it too.
And of course, we can prove that these two killings happened, can't we? We've seen the bullet-riddled corpses lying on the slab, haven't we? And studied the coroners' reports? We're not just relying on dodgy videos and dodgy MSM reporting, are we?
I don't think Gail was being very kind or very helpful with her sarky comment. So I've made an equally sarky reply to her in your defense.
I think we need a word or idiom to describe the dismissive way some people dismiss suggestions or ideas that they are unable to accept due to their own psychological problems and limitations. There must be such a word or idiom, but I can't think of one at present.
Hang on, let me ask an AI........
AI:
Here are some words and idioms that capture the dismissive behavior you described:
Cognitive Dissonance: This refers to the mental discomfort someone feels when faced with information that conflicts with their beliefs or values, often resulting in dismissive behavior.
Defensive Posturing: This idiom describes a person's attempt to protect themselves from emotional discomfort, often leading to dismissing others' views.
Throwing Shade: This informal expression means to subtly criticize or dismiss someone or their ideas.
In Denial: This phrase indicates a refusal to accept reality or facts, often resulting in dismissing suggestions.
Echo Chamber: While not directly dismissive, it refers to a situation where someone's beliefs are reinforced by communication with like-minded individuals, leading to the rejection of differing ideas.
Narrow-mindedness: This term describes someone who is unwilling to consider new ideas or perspectives.
Confirmation Bias: This is the tendency to favor information that confirms existing beliefs, leading to dismissal of contradictory ideas.
Each of these captures different aspects of the cognitive or emotional processes behind dismissing ideas due to personal limitations.
Thanks for the solidarity. This substack is surprisingly conventional in attitude.
I have noticed that the male(?) commenters get really excited by and immersed in discussing the weaponry and gun details.
There is a negative fascination with guns in the US which is being used to destabilise the country.
There is ample evidence that the US is being destabilised by deep state actors, its own CIA in a form of "colour revolution" that has been used by the US to destroy many outside countries.
Does no-one in the US follow foreign affairs? What do you think happened in most of the South American and Middle Eastern countries when they rejected US economic dominance? Subversion, propaganda, disorder on the streets, death squads, paramilitaries, torture and overthrow.
For Gods sake wake up before this is your fate as well. The US financial empire is collapsing and it is turning on the wealthy countries, its own allies and its own people to confiscate and absorb their assets. It is using familiar techniques previously honed against external "threats" to target its domestic population.. The US based Economic Empire has detached itself completely from national interests and wants to dissolve its domestic financial liabilities – the US population of “deplorables.” You have come full circle.
https://solarireport.substack.com/p/coming-clean-beyond-the-fiscal-cliff
"Right now, the majority of Americans choose to support, admire, and follow the very people engineering the machinery that is harming their families and themselves. Until that changes, our society will remain “married to the mob.”
https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/us-killed-more-than-20-million-people-37-victim-nations
This carefully researched article by James A. Lucas documents the more than 20 million lives lost resulting from US-led wars, military coups and intelligence ops carried out in the wake of WWII, in what is euphemistically called the “post-war era” (1945- ).
The extensive loss of life in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine and Libya, Palestine is not included in this study. Nor are the millions of deaths resulting from extreme poverty.
Acts of Economic Warfare
In the post Cold War era, “shock and awe” IMF “economic medicine” applied in countries of the Global South as well as in Eastern Europe has resulted in mass poverty and an unprecedented process of economic and social destruction, under the helm of of the so-called Washington Consensus.
Why have you forsaken to understand things that happen fundamentally. You lost me. That goes back to the killing of Renee Good. A killing no more no less. For fucks sake Eugyppius.
I understand your attitude, and am genuinely curious how you would see both of these incidents proceeding had the shootings not happened.
The protesters are intentionally pushing the envelope. If the envelope just expands, they will be incentivized to keep pushing. Where does everything go? Where will it end?
Read it again: Eugy said the opposite of what you claim.
Renee Good interfered with law enforcement officers during an operation, refused to comply when they told her to get out of the car, turned her car toward an agent right in front of her and gunned straight at him--while another officer had his hands in her window and would have been dragged. Of course she got shot.
Renee "Good"
Just consider the subconscious influence of a name like that. Psyop.
You are correct . We need to keep in mind that should these lunatics win in 2028 they will be vicious.
And if you doubt the truth of that, you need only look at Abigail Spanberger's first month as governor of Virginia. All the old shitlib madness we thought was finally dead is back, and this time with icepick vengeance.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=spanberger+site%3Alegalinsurrection.com&df=m&t=osx&ia=web
That’s why we have 2 goals .
1. Get as much done as fast as possible . Trump hasn’t gone nearly far enough domestically..He backs down from the judges . He needed to ignore them .
2 . We MUST win in 2028 . They will come for us all if we lose . I would NOT want to be associated with the Trump when that happens . They will jail Peter Navarro again for sure .
We need to win in 2026...!
> the agents did nothing wrong
If they shot someone who was no current threat to them, then yes they did something wrong. We are not yet at literal war, where the mere status of someone being an enemy combatant means you are entitled to shoot them.
We are definitely getting there, some days more quickly than others, but no we are not quite there yet.
say her name : Ashley Babbitt
CC:
Oh, please. The unwarranted shooting of Babbitt is certainly relevant here, and if you have *something of substance* to say regarding that, by all means say it.
But just repeating (for the 10^6 time) a bumper-sticker slogan is merely bullshit distracting clutter.
The Brits have (maybe once had) a rather quaint official "cause of death" called "death by misadventure."
You attend a "demonstration" -- well, more than a demonstration, since you take explicit actions to impede an armed law enforcement operation -- where you ultimately get apprehended by law enforcement and actively resist arrest while armed yourself... while all the while "your side" is busy intentionally creating chaos and confusion with their whistles, screaming, car horns, and continuous duck calls of "what the fuck" (really, they should just print it on flags and tee shirts and save their voices)... and in all the distraction and fog of war (which your "friends" are deliberately creating, mind you), you get shot.
Is this misadventure? It sure sounds like misadventure to me.
Libtards haven't internalized the downside of being Social Justice Warriors -- which is, unlucky warriors get killed, it's right there in the job description.
Inference is a powerful rhetorical tool. Did you miss something?
When one of the law men yelled "Gun!" it became a legal shooting. From the information I have reason to suspect is not likely manipulatively wrong or intended to distort - as False-Witnessing is no longer punished as it should be (public pain and shame - tasered till pissing and screaming) - we generally must assume anything amplified by corporate mass-media and political agents, the type of handgun was removed from the violent criminal and misfired as that type has been known to do.
This guy is known as a 2nd Amendment self-defense specialist lawyer, and I found his general no-nonsense analyses valuable.
"Minneapolis 37-Year Old Man ICE Shooting – LEGAL ANALYSIS" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJJfrnX8Mk
There are so many people that should be secured to a pole or tree in public and tasered till pissing and screaming for the intentional false-witnessing that I can't count. Image all those media reporters, media producers, media owners, public 'witnesses', political agents that report unknowns and unknowables as facts, elected political muppets of Zionists and other Satanic minions and their enslaved golems ..
.. imagine if such was the punishment - or worse if lies caused deaths like the Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction war for Zionists .. "Make public Witch-trials and hangings popular again!" (for the unrepenting)
Too bad the wide-spread practice of Witch Trials and public hangings were foolishly ended and false history created that gave them a bad reputation!
What if you could start trusting others again?
COVID ruined that. Even what seems obvious can’t be trusted
Even if you don't care, its amunition for your enemies to have these videos.
Our enemies will use anything for ammo.
The truth being the one exception.
Oh, they'll happily use the truth too, on the rare occasions when it works to their advantage.
oh, well said!
Yes. This is the same Mass Formation Psychosis we saw during Covid, egged on by the same politicians, afflicting mostly the same people. It's a reminder that we're already in a kind of war and have been since 2020. Covid was when we learned who these people are, just how 'American' their ideas are and what they're capable of.
That ICU nurse who got himself shot was almost certainly an enthusiastic enforcer of hospital policies forbidding family members to visit their dying loved ones.
The growing population that can no longer be considered self-aware and self-directed is so easily manipulated by mass media that by Framing law-enforcement efforts to remove the massive numbers of illegal aliens that have been the tools of powerful forces to cripple and ultimately destroy this and all once majority-white Christian nations as Nazi-like anti-Christian inhumane evil .. with corporate mass media and powerful institutions manipulating the Overton-Window with distorted and false information, warped framing, false or distracting focusing, .. of course violence is the result, and intended.
John Carter wrote a great article on the loss of Homo Sapiens (self-aware man) to Homo Unbrans (shadow-man) which I integrated with what was the Key-Log event that broke our Western, and finally world-wide, minds.
Audio overview YT mirror of article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI42veC7UiU
".. The Ongoing Worldwide Rape of Mind and Soul to fully realize Homo Umbrans" https://stevenwork.substack.com/p/multiverse-journal-index-number-2227 https://archive.is/i6i5W
How many murders happened in Chicago in the time between their deaths that were needless and self-instigated?
You are one sick chick.
Lost in the shuffle of all of this insanity are two things. ICE are not stormtroopers, they are not Trump's Gestapo or any other nonsense. They are a law enforcement division tasked with enforcing the immigration laws created BY CONGRESS. ICE itself was created by the passage of the Patriot Act again BY CONGRESS. So if you have a problem with ICE, you can blame Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all the rest who voted to create this. Second, why is this happening in Minnesota and not say, Tennessee? Because normal, sane governors and local officials arrest illegal immigrants on criminal charges and then contact ICE to see if they have pending removal orders and HAND THEM OVER peacefully for departation. Minnesota and the rest of the "sanctuary" places check to see if they have pending removal orders and then RELEASE THEM back out into society to assist in their violation of the law purposefully because they believe illegal immigrants have special status and special privileges that your or I would never get. This is why ICE appears to be "patrolling the streets looking for brown people" because they are forced to go serve warrants at residences increasing the danger level, to apprehend often violent criminals who should have simply been handed over to them while in custody. And furthermore these people in the streets are not 'protestors.' Protestors go picket in front of City Hall, they do not go into the field and impede law enforcement. If the FBI showed up to arrest the head of the Gambino crime family and a bunch of his 'goombas' parked their cars across the street and honked their horns and tried to "de-arrest" the Don, do you think they would be called protestors by the media?
Excellent . I would only add that for years the Democrat Party has claimed they are “ Saving Democracy “ …yeah …when the vote goes their way .
Spot on about Tennessee and Louisiana. ICE showed up , apprehended targeted immigrants and left . Radio silence . Most of the country didn’t even know .
These "protestors" and their bankrollers have now turned into Hamas, just sending civilians out as cannon fodder to generate outrage and sympathy. IT IS CRAZY!
While I can understand the perspective on your comment I think the "Hamas is Everywhere" anthem is a bit jaded. A more insightful comment regarding who may be lurking underneath the forced "kabuki" political theatre was suggested by someone who experienced an earlier round in history:
Solzhentisyn said: “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
Exactly what is going on. BTW about the big lie that Obama deported 3 million illegal aliens. These were Mexicans who were caught at the border, and put on a bus back home. Prior to Obama these were not called deportations. Central Americans caught at the border, cannot be sent home immediately. They need to be flown home and this takes logistics.
Trump cut though all this nonsense by using military aircraft to deport back home.
I know quite a few Russians and Eastern Europeans who overstayed their visas, had a traffic violation, and were put on the next plane smoking back to where they came from...could be why it's just brown people (and lots of Asians-Thailand) that ICE looks for...the white ones left when caught...
I often hear the black and brown rhetoric. There is a reason the optics aren't wrong. Those of European descent came over in floating coffins only to be inspected like cattle at Ellis Island. Old Xers and boomers often had drilled in them gratitude for the sacrifices and hellish conditions their great grandparents experienced. But if you don't see a photo of a 7 year old emerging from a coal mine, you will assume life was always good. For heaven's sake, Karl Marx was writing about pasty white people covered in soot. This is why I find the Nick Fuente types dangerous. They grab hold of a cultural marxist narratives claiming it was always so.
Or you can look at photos of seven-year-old laborers mucking about in toxic African lithium pits -- TODAY -- and realize that although a coal mine isn't what you or I would think of as a good life, it may well represent an improvement over what life originally held for this kid where his parents came from.
https://www.euronews.com/green/2024/12/13/child-labour-nigerias-lithium-mines-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future
I am radical on this subject as well calling EVs tailpipe environmentalism. I've long advocated for oil drilling in the US because we know the risks and have ostensibly the money to clean up after spills. The way I frame it, we're like the neighbor that insist the cesspool pond go on someone else's property to avoid the smell. I went to a Kennedy prez event early in his campaign. The aging hippies showed windmills in the water and appalachians that Kenney had advocated eons ago. They hadn't gotten the update on what a disaster they are.
I suspect the life expectancy of people who carry a loaded gun and fight with cops is quite low.
Who wakes up in the morning and says “ yo7 know what ? Let me see where armed federal agents are today so I can drive there and get in their faces …oh yeah and be
bring my gun …what could go wrong ?
“And let me bring a couple extra clips too”🙄
Yeah, I really don't like this part of the argument.
If I knew that libtards in my own region were going to be "activating" against armed feds in who-knows-what neighborhood on some given day, I'd hook on my extra mag myself.
Of course, I wouldn't be looking to run TOWARDS the trouble, and that's the whole difference.
Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people in Minnesota. Apparently.
Maybe it’s in the water . Someone is stirring them up with righteous indignation
Not just a loaded gun, but a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. Striker fired polymer frame pistols makee nervous as way too easy to unintentionally discharge.
What pistol is the most safe then, IYO (ie least likely to accudentally discharge)?
1911/2011. Beretta 92 (aka M9). I think there's a CZ series that's hammer fired. SIG P226 IIRC.
Always carry a round in the chamber unless you are IDF. If you can't safely carry a chambered round in your weapon, get a new weapon.
There will be more shootings especially if another dumbass shows up with a loaded gun. AFAIC, that’s on the dumbasses. 100%
It's just an unimaginably terrible idea to bring a gun to a protest, especially a disorderly protest like this. Just seems like tempting fate, another incident of insanely risky behaviour.
Just please be honest (even though we Western Europeans can't imagine it), gun carriage and possession is widely spread in the US, it's part of the(ir) unique culture. The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it. It's just another guy killed by the current fascist regime in the US. Terribly sorry to see what the general feeling is among the Eugyppius subscribers as well as Eugyppius himself. A person that generated oxygen over the past few years for me personally. I am honestly lost for words.
I'm not trying to justify the shooting, but I think carrying a concealed weapon into conflict zones with armed police is dangerous, and I know enough about American gun culture (having lived there for a few decades) to know this is the kind of thing the concealed carry crowd discourages doing for exactly this reason.
Civil unrest in your city is a premier valid reason to go armed for self-defense.
BUT.
If the unrest comes upon you unwittingly, you run, then hide, then fight. This is the exact same mantra pushed and approved by the civilian disarmament crowd, except that if it ever does reach the point of fighting, you have something more useful in your hand than just your D.
You don't run TO the riot. You don't participate in the unrest. You don't resist police apprehension (ESPECIALLY if armed -- and if it goes there, you volunteer that you are armed).
Unless of course, you are a Social Justice WARRIOR -- then you do ALL of the above, and when your ride to Valhalla arrives, you take it gracefully like a warrior should, and STFU.
Correct.
Eugyppius, good evening, .... carrying weapons on either side of a conflict zone (whomever created that conflict zone, whomever is responsible for that conflict zone, whomever decided to define it as a 'conflict zone', .... is it 'really' a conflict zone...?) is going to create a human mess, sooner or later. I know you are not trying to justify the shooting, I really do. I am just baffled at how you approach this, against the background of a morally corrupt political US regime.
There's nothing morally corrupt about the current administration. There was a lot wrong with the previous one, though. You're getting the "news" from the same people who ran the last "regime" in the US, the most corrupt we've ever seen. They stole an election to install a demented puppet in the White House, while the actual people running the country were unknown to all of us. We had no idea who was running the country, pushing social media to censor political opponents and spin news to favor the Democrats, and using the power of government to wrongly target innocent people and ruin their lives because they dared oppose the party.
Trump is merely enforcing the law, the same law that every country has, the one supported by the large majority of Americans, the one that says that you have to come in to the country legally through a port of entry, and if not, you are subject to removal. The Democrats running Minnesota are bound by duty to assist federal law enforcement, but they refuse to do so, and are harboring federal fugitives. They are in active rebellion against the lawful authority of the federal government doing its job.
One correction -- they are NOT bound by either law or duty to assist federal law enforcement, there is plenty of precedent on that (all the way up to Prinz v. US). But they ARE bound not to actively impede them (which these politicians are carefully not, so as not to be guilty of insurrection).
However, they have a moral (not legal) duty to the health and safety of their own citizens to remind them that actively impeding feds can get them hurt or dead... and they are doing all they can NOT to do this. They are deliberately using their own citizens as cannon fodder and martyr material.
It does not sound like the shooting was illegal, and was justified in that the law-enforces responded reasonably. "Gun!" was yelled in the middle of interacting with a violent armed man during a crime, a shot was fired immediately later ..
And BTW: If that woman really intended to use her car as a weapon or not, she acted against police direction and in ways that threated others, and law-enforces had reason to believe at least one officer was in danger that could have become deadly.
Car as a deadly weapon. She could have killed or injured some or all of the officers and others near-by with that monster. If you never went to an empty parking-lot and did more than 'donuts' you know that no ANTIFA crowd that surrounded your car acting violent does not risk hospital or worse .. what I could do with my little Dotson B210 with back hand-break and turn-radius that could U-turn on standard 2-lane with only one wheel briefly on shoulder. .. a car like that B210 would likely hang-up once 3 or 4 bodies are pushed together and pile-up, but then you have less rioters to escape from, don't be like that truck-driver in 1993 Back-rioting after rodney-king, dragged out and cinder-block to head and dancing rioters thinking you dead.
After watching the live videos of that 1993 mass violence "chimp-out" including 'Attack on Reginald Denny' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny https://archive.is/c0NeW
.. I realized that person weapons must be kept legal (note the armed Koreans on roof-tops protected businesses and neighbors) and that federal armed troops are sometimes needed, with shoot on sight 'lock-down' areas.
The firey summer of mostly peaceful protests was an example of State and Federal gov failure. All based on false reporting and suppressed information with intention to instigate violence - the Black AG locked away the police cam showing all the respectful caring interaction with George Floyd before he needed that legal restraint - that was part of the training .. the police department head lied and tried to hide the training material about that knee on shoulder restraint. .. There were a few people like those two (AG & Police Head) that in a Just society would have been publicly hanged with those that supported them.
All those murders, looting, fires, public service failures, rapes, .. all the public in those areas that lived in constant fear for their and loved-ones lives!
.. National Guard with shoot on sight in problem areas, and the older adults of those shot found and publicly tasered till pissing and screaming with signs written and displayed so the live video stream and future watchers can read "Mother of fatherless violent criminal" or "Grandmother of fatherless violent criminal" or "Great Aunt of Fatherless violent criminal" .. "He/She never had a decent chance because family roots were sick"
Perhaps you might not agree.
Of which regime do you speak? Minnesota? You are correct and may not be aware if the half.
No, that's a stupid rationalization. It's legal to carry a can of gasoline around too, but stupid to show up at a burning building with it. It's legal to carry a chainsaw around too, but stupid to show up at a BLM rally with one.
He knew he was going to a violent protest, he intentionally made that decision to wear his gun when it was inappropriate. Would he go to the beach wearing his gun? Would he play ice hockey or football wearing his gun? Would he wear his gun if he was working construction on a roof?
Guns are tools. His wearing that gun to a violent protest rally was as stupid as taking a sledgehammer or chainsaw or scuba tank.
He did not just put the gun on out of habit and wander off. He chose to do a stupid thing.
Who put the fire into the building?
Who planted the tree for which the chainsaw is a necessity?
And finally: we all did many stupid things (and will do) in our lifetime... do we deserve to get murdered for it?
That is a retarded answer. We cannot control the future, but we sure as hell can increase the odds in our favor.
Going armed to a violent protest with cops, the violently resisting arrest with said cops, decreased Petti's odds of something bad happen. He chose to do those things.
Making excuses shows your collectivist tendencies, that you do not ascribe agency to individuals, that you want to blame everyone else for Petti choosing voluntarily to do stupid things in stupid places at stupid times with stupid people.
He chose. Petti chose. Yet you absolve him of his stupidity and blame everyone else.
Good evening Chartertopia. I hope you are keeping well. It should be anyone's right to resist fascist behaviour. That's how, in part, we got out of both most recent World Wars. The video shows a lone, not backed up by a pack, individual resisting. He did not deserve to die (nor did Renee Good, nor do the people who will be executed next, and there will be). Absolutely true, he was violently scrambling, as would anybody. I do not understand what you mean by 'collectivist tendencies' but I am ready to hear and hopefully understand more of it. No one chooses at 100% voluntarily. Check your emotions the next time you get cut off in traffic, check your emotions. We may think we are in control at all times, we are not. And therefor we rely on professionally trained force to intervene for the better outcome for anyone. I do not absolve Petti nor do I blame everyone else, please read carefully. All the best.
Tim Walz. You know, the guy who gave the commencement address at the University of Minnesota and fulminated about "Trump's Gestapo."
I simply do not understand your arguments.
That is fine Tardigrade. I am sure that if we were not confined to the keyboards and screens we find ourselves behind, we could have meaningful conversations to the benefit for both of us.
By the way: are you not the person who is running a channel on micro "things"....? if so you are solely responsible for me buying a microscope for my daughter. Love your channel, apologies if I am confusing with someone else. Love.
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No,but mistakes have consequences, and that bill will usually be paid some way.
How do you know “he didn’t intend to use it”? Carrying it is at minimum intent to intimidate. You may have not seen the many social media posts exorting protestors to stop protesting and get guns and kill these federal officers, but they are certainly aware of the campaign to start a street war. NO ONE with any common sense pro or anti these efforts would EVER carry a loaded weapon to confront federal officers who are armed. Unless they wish social media martyrdom. Some type of error by the officers was certainly made, and it is unfortunate that they are not armed ( as many police are) with tasers as an additional non lethal option at close quarters. These type of events are precisely why state and local police should be cooperating with the federal officers, at least to the point of being present with enough forces to “protect” the protesters, apprehend any lawbreakers among them, and protect the federal officers from mob violence. These type choice by local governments not to provide such is a deliberate dereliction of their duty TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS, a malign neglect intended to cause these events.
My husband thinks the gun and loaded mags mean that he was planning to use them against ICE. I am willing to think that he just wanted to play revolutionary and carry them to feel like a big man. None of us know why he did it--although we may find out. But whatever the reason, it was NOT an intellgent thing to do.
There's an old saying that carrying a gun for protection means you're more likely to be shot. The presence of firearms often escalates a confrontation.
We're all well-versed in law enforcement from TV and movies ;) and we know that a perpetrator displaying a gun almost never ends well.
How do you know the protester didn't plan on using his gun? Then why bring it?
I'm sad about all that's going on in Minnesota right now, but people being stupid is not helping at all.
When I was a teenager, I took karate classes for awhile. When we started training with weapons, one thing that our instructor said has stood out to me for almost 40 years--if you bring a weapon to a fight, be prepared for it or one just like it to be used against you.
Dude showed up with a gun to a fight, no one should be surprised he was shot.
I took karate for several years even after my young son lost interest. It's an experience I still value.
Even before that, it was common wisdom that you don't point a gun at somebody unless you mean to use it.
More exactly, you don't even draw it unless its use is already justified.
(Complicated by laws that allow mere "informative display" of a weapon in certain circumstances, such as trespassing, as a justified use.)
I’m curious to learn: how do you know whether or not Pretti planned to use his gun that day? The rest of us know only that he did not get the chance in that struggle.
I can’t say for sure, but it looks to me from one of the vids like he was trying to reach for it a moment before he was shot, and that it may have looked exactly that way to the officer who fired first, also not knowing that Pretti had already been disarmed a half second earlier.
But, of course, you and I have the luxury of slow-motion replay, free from the raw urgency of the moment.
Good evening Martyn, I hope you are keeping well. For the sake of human kind let's ask ourselves the question: did either the victim or the law enforcement agent who fired, get out of bed on the day of the event with the idea of getting killed or kill. I honestly believe for both parties it would be a clear 'no'. Therefor, the cheap "you reap what you sow" rhetorique displayed by many subcribers here is a wrong context framing, that's my humble opinion anyway. Which will not matter in the bigger scale of things. Humans (armed/unarmed) get killed by engaging in discussions with, running away from cops, law enforcements, etc.... since when did we decide that the outcome "death", "unalived".... for this type of human behaviour is acceptable? Wishing you a peaceful evening.
Doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places at stupid times increases the odds of dying stupidly. Petti did all four of those, intentionally. He died stupidly.
He chose to legally wear his gun to a violent protest with police. He chose to violently resist arrest. He made those choice, intentionally, voluntarily, stupidly. He may not have deserved to die; very few people do. But he intentionally, voluntarily, chose to do stupid things with stupid people (your choice as to whether that is the ICE cops or the protesters or both) at a stupid place at a stupid time.
The future is uncertain. We can only affect the odds. Petti chose to effect them not in his favor. His death was entirely on him.
His death was definitely not entirely on him, as was the death (killing, I will not budge from that) from Renee Good. If the future is uncertain, and we can only affect the odds, let us then affect the odds in the spirit of true humanity.
When the police are under constant assault and threat of death, you can expect them to behave more aggressively in their own defense. This is pretty obvious stuff.
Police a few decades ago used to shoot at people who ran away. Now they don't. That does not mean they're a fair target by rioters, though. These so-called "protesters" in Minnesota are rioters, and the local police are not doing their duty to put down that riot and restore peace. They are not doing their duty to assist federal law enforcement in performing their lawful duties in enforcing federal law. They are creating the environment where bad things happen by refusing to do their job in maintaining the peace.
If these riots had been stopped by the state authorities as they should have been, there would have been no deaths. The state instead chose to stir the pot and encourage the rioters while doing nothing to stop their unlawful activities, including threatening and interfering with ICE agents who have been threatened with death repeatedly in the last few weeks.
Actually, people fantacize all the time about what they might do in a confrontation, and, they often rehearse it in their minds in advance. So, no, you can't know that he didn't intend to use his gun. You are guilty of projection here, as to what you think your own "lack of intent" might/would be after getting out of bed that day and holstering a gun.
"did either the victim or the law enforcement agent who fired, get out of bed on the day of the event with the idea of getting killed or kill. I honestly believe for both parties it would be a clear 'no'."
What a terrible criterion. Criminal behavior is prone to a "bounded rationality" model under which the expected costs of apprehension and punishment are almost always greatly underestimated. And riot-type behavior leads the pack for being highly opportunistic and group-driven, with minimal individual planning , as the "mob effect" reduces perceived personal accountability and arrest risk.
Firemen don't get up in the morning planning to get burned alive, but some of them will.
Trouble finds you faster when you go out of your way to look for it.
If he didn't plan on using it, why did he bring two fully loaded magazines along with the gun that also had a fully loaded magazine.
Sorry, but this comment is simply neurotic.
If I -- who have zero intention of participating in "direct action" against ICE -- knew that a local mob intended to harass ICE on a given day, in a neighborhood where I could not avoid being, I might likely do exactly the same. Armament is no indicator of intent.
How do you know he didn't plan to use it (the gun)?
This is an objectionable "proof of innocence" demand.
Pretti's gun was legal and he was an approved permit holder. His carrying a gun was perfectly lawful, and not in any way a proof of any evil intent.
There is enough about his deliberate actions that day to establish his intent. At which point his decision to go there and do this while armed speaks only to his tactical (lack of) wisdom and his possible (now moot) sentencing enhancements.
I honestly am just assuming Jessica. Wishing you a peaceful evening.
'The person who brought it to the protest didn't use it, nor did he plan on using it.'
This sounds like projection or wishful thinking. It is also undermined by the fact that he brought two extra clips. Or why did he bring any bullet at all? Or why did he bring a gun at all?
Are you in favor of Democracy and elections ? Perhaps Renée Good and this guy voted for Harris a more illegal immigration . They lost . They get to vote again in 4 years . In the meantime “ Suck it up “ …like I did four 4 years as the Great unwashed Brown faces streamed into my country looking for free stuff .
Sorry, you aren't making sense. Responsible carry is one thing, and most of us take it very seriously. Foolish decisions are quite another thing. The deceased was actively engaged in obstructing law enforcement and had been for some time. He foolishly chose to physically interact with an officer and resisted the ensuing arrest. In the confusion, he was identified as a threat and shot. Responsible carry is a choice.
Do we even know if he had a CC permit issued by the state of Minnesota?
Reportedly, he did. The law requires the permit and a valid ID to be on the person whenever they are carrying. He had neither, thus not legally carrying.
We don't have anything like a fascist regime in the US. We ended that just over a year ago when we kicked Biden out of office.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Americans aren’t walking around with guns on their hips. If you interfere with law enforcement, armed no less, there’s a good chance you’re going to get hurt and maybe killed. Immensely stupid.
John good evening. I know what I am saying. It may not suit your beliefs or experiences, I am willing to agree to that. Why should interfering or standing up against law enforcement lead to bodily harm or being killed? That's where I do not follow nor understand. Law enforcement is made up of humans, humans make mistakes, plenty of them.... on both ends of the spectrum. There's plenty of evidence out there of trigger happy law enforcement agents. Selection, education, training and awareness of the difficulties/complex situations to follow on the daily job is crucial/elementary. Likewise, I have seen morons/idiots/good for nothing challenging/teasing/insulting law and authority just because they can. I do not defend either of them.
I’m not a law enforcement apologist. But if they are involved in an active law enforcement activity, they are under stress. If confronted with a threat, such as a gun or a vehicle or even a belligerent person, they are going to react in a manner to protect themselves and others. Every law enforcement situation for an officer is potentially dangerous. If you interfere, you’re taking a risk of getting hurt. It’s just not smart to do that. It actually doesn’t get more stupid than to interfere with law enforcement while carrying a gun. High likelihood you will be shot and killed.
How do you know he didn’t plan on using it? He told you that? You’re a mind reader? What an utterly asinine statement
Every American knows (due to endless video snippets) that in a situation where a group of armed police are dealing with a "perp," if even a single one of the police yells "GUN!" it is almost a certainty that a good deal of fireworks are about to go off, and the perp is more or less sure to meet their maker.
You have zero idea what he planned to do with his loaded firearm.
The salient fact is that he carried a concealed loaded weapon, then got into a violent confrontation with our federal law enforcement officers.
Nor is our government fascist, unless fascist stands for enforcement of the bills as passed by our Senate and House then signed into law by our President. The laws were not passed in the last year by the duly elected federal government.
You don’t know what you’re talking about Jurgen.
Time will tell.
No you’ve proven beyond doubt that you have little idea or knowledge of what you’re arguing.
Times up. Enforcement of federal laws is not optional and interference in our law enforcement operations is a felony.
If you carry a loaded weapon with two extra clips to a violent protest to prevent law enforcement from doing its job, then interfere with a legal arrest, then you run the risk of getting shot. If he was unarmed he would be alive today.
Jurgen, I appreciate your understanding that guns are part of American culture, but I don’t think you understand the nuances. I’m an American, a gun owner, and a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment, and there is no way I would go to what is highly likely to be a disorderly encounter with federal law enforcement officers while armed. That is so incredibly dumb that I do wonder if he was half planning to shoot an ICE agent or two.
The thing to remember is, cops aren’t supposed to shoot people, even lawbreakers, who do not, in their judgment, pose an immediate threat. If you’re armed, and a law enforcement officer sees this, the likelihood of you being judged an immediate threat just went way up. I’m very aware that unjustified police shootings happen; that’s why I wouldn’t voluntarily increase my chances of being shot by bringing a weapon to a planned interaction with law enforcement.
Incidentally, whether these kinds of actions are “protests” is somewhat debatable. Americans typically envision protests as nonviolent gatherings that are often fully legal. Attempting to disrupt an arrest by federal law enforcement is the kind of thing that would get a person arrested under normal circumstances. Walz and Frey have ensured these aren’t normal circumstances.
Was this a justified shooting? Not with the benefit of hindsight, but the cop was making a snap decision under pressure. It would be hard to prove he didn’t honestly believe Pretti posed a threat. I’m doubtful this would result in prosecution under normal circumstances (or the current abnormal circumstances).
I'm American and I agree. However, in many of our states people frequently carry guns and do not shoot people. I think he was a fool to bring a loaded gun and two loaded mags with him--but I also think he was a fool too better in the first place.
If it’s confirmed that he deleted his socials beforehand that implies certain motives
Can somebody explain this to me?
It's always been my understanding that the "suppression of socials" is something done by government cleanup squads after an incident... not something routinely done by perps on the way to glory. (Mouthy idiots who get dragged and shamed are another thing, I understand that motive.)
Why would someone who writes a manifesto (apparently a popular pastime, though not this guy, at least as far as we know) also delete their socials? What's left to hide?
Anyone who shows up today to “ protest “ has a death wish .
Actually death by police is a preferred method of suicide for many
Most mass shooters are hoping for suicide by cop.
First, you would not bring a semi-automatic 9MM and two clips to a "peaceful" protest against law enforcement, and you certainly would not physically approach those officers to impede them, unless you were intending to shoot those officers, or you had some death wish.
Or were completely ignorant .
I think in Renée Good case she thought “ I’m a white liberal gay woman “ as if that made her immune . She woke up , checked on where armed men with badges were , then drove there , blocked their cars , smiled crazily and danced as the officers told her to exit the car , then Drove away …who does that ? How do you get to be 37 and know nothing ?
Exactly right. This was suicide by cop. Probably the man-boy wished to either increase his opinion of himself through challenging the authorities (due to a lack of integrity and/or courage exhibited in other areas of his life) or he wished for a heroic obituary in the Minneapolis newspapers.
https://open.substack.com/pub/wagthattail/p/assisted-suicide-by-cop-in-minneapolis?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web
Spot-on. Voice of Reason. These Europeans have been beaten down by globalists for so long they no longer remember what it is like to have god-given rights, to include free speech and self defense. My 9mm is for self defense.
Going to protest the Government or their armed agents - and planning to get 'interactive' (violent, passive resistant, disruptive, ..) be unarmed. Bring tear-gas protection if you have it. If planning to be peaceful then watch for agents that are intent to give law-enforcement reasons to act with violence .. old Vietnam war protesters that were vets would join together and if someone ran forward and struck out against police line and tried to run back into peaceful protesters would be blocked by vets - pushed back into police to be taken away.
If going to a demonstration that would bring the psycho delusional crazies - like a Civil War monument removal protest to protect important valuable historical monuments to honor things that have been intentionally mis-remembered as part of our traditional majority-white Christian-based culture where Sanity, Truth, Justice, Prudence, Charity, far-thinking, .. creating a future that is better for the children - where that is what a man worked towards and women did also in their once understood important ways ..
.. or any protest where antifa or other Zionist supported and directed groups would likely instigate violence, often with State support as what happened to a number of white men standing against Satan's program soul-enslaved golems with arrests, show trials, long punishments for even smelling a little of masculine values and Love .. protecting others on subway, shooting violent protesters, stopping potentially violent thief 'jogging while black' in your neighborhood after being caught trespassing, and threatening, or even standing in yard armed as possible rioters looters go through your private neighborhood.
Or going through Chicago or Camden or other 'no go zones' we have - You might want to be armed.
Magazines, not clips.
Yup. Thanks
Look at the video. He was not impeding. He was documenting with his phone. Death wish...
get a life (no pun intended).
He has carrying a loaded 9MM with two clips. Yeah, he was just documenting with his phone. Get a brain (no pun intended).
Here's a brain.
If I intend to go armed to a demonstration to shoot cops, I'm not going to waste time directing civilian traffic into a restricted area, or waltzing around taking videos.
I'm going to find a location with high vantage, low detectability, and good hard cover, and then I'm going to *start taking out cops.* Success means getting down to the business you're there for, not farking around drawing unnecessary attention to myself.
That's not what he did. The implication is that it's not why he was there
You earlier stated in the video that he was resisting and "violently scrambling as anybody would." And yes he was doing both of those things - actively impeding law enforcement - but not "as anybody would." Most people obey law enforcement officers if their only intent is civil protest. Once you admit to his violence, you've lost the argument that "he was not impeding." He could have fled when pepper sprayed, but he chose to behave differently. It is far more likely that he was trying to get beaten up on film.
Showed up armed to a confrontation with federal agents, expect such outcomes. The amount of people today twisting themselves into knots trying to make this guy seem innocent when he in fact loaded a pistol and then went to confront federal law enforcement lawfully discharging their duties - anyone doing that was looking for violence. And he found it. Try to stop the feds while carrying a weapon has a very predictable outcome, Dems encouraging their plebs to arm themselves and then confront agents have blood on their hands. They must really be neck deep in fraud and criminality to resort to desperation like this. Make no mistake, they are asking we the public to accept the authority of armed left wing randos to stop the Federal Government whenever they feel like it. Amazing that we’ve come to this.
Correct ,I had to sit back for four years and watch barefoot low IQ brown faces stream across the Rio Grande and walk in and get free food housing medical care …all on my dime . My turn now . Renee Good thought that somehow being a white liberal gay woman gave her the “ moral high ground “ to subvert what I and million of others voted for .to see the back of the heads of the Great Unwashed .
I like to turn things around in order to think about them. So right now I'm imagining the 2A crowd rising up against an authoritarian government force, and what the liberals would have to say about it...
Edit to add: from replies, I think my comment was misunderstood. I'm just thinking in terms of the hypocrisy of the democratic reaction were the situation reversed.
5 years ago this month my cousin informed me he was going to go to J6 and that he was going to be armed, you can imagine the hyperbolic reasoning behind such an intent. I spent two hours with him on the phone talking him down, I especially made the point to him that showing up armed in public at an event where there is even the potential of a confrontation with LE will be presumed by authorities as intent to do violence to LE and in no case will you ever be the innocent party in the event something goes wrong. Your mere armed presence is sufficient grounds to presume the worst. Same applies here, and that will not change. The Dems are fools to expect the government and the public to accept this, arguing that Pretti was in any way a victim here is tantamount to insurrection. It’s why I think the desperation runs deeper than acknowledged.
TDS is a powerful force.
I know of a case (in fact, I think I once knew the fellow) where a J6 protestor sympathizer stayed over the line in a Virginia lodging with a supply of (perfectly legal) firearms, with the understanding that the firearms would be made available to protestors (breaching DC's city-wide gun exclusion zone) only if the stuff really, REALLY hit the fan -- which it never did.
He got thrown in the gulag regardless.
So once again, I don't want to hear a FRICKING thing.
As a 2A supporter if I’m bringing my weapon to fight law enforcement (even justly) then I expect law enforcement to respond with deadly force. I’m saying we have entered the one side wins zone. I don’t have a lot of issues on the 2A front. He was interfering with police while carrying a weapon. Things can go wrong quickly and they did.
Yes, that is my sense, they are pushing this to a place where one side must lose, and lose it all. They have already announced their intention to imprison everyone in the Trump Administration and even federal law enforcement officials should they ever get back into power, so they took away any off ramp the Administration might have used even if they were so inclined. Now to give an inch would be literal suicide.
The next lost election will be suicide.
Yes, it looks like we’re moving past legal niceties in the not too distant future
The point I was attempting to make is the hypocrisy of the Democrats were the situation reversed.
I liken these anti-ICE protests as similar to the Boston Tea Part of 1773 which arguably triggered the war of independence. The colonists tarred and feathered Stamp Act agents and customs collectors. It's all in a very noble tradition of fighting against the government.
Except the colonists were fighting taxation without representation. These people are fighting a duly elected representative government. One was fighting for the popular will, the other is fighting against it. They are not the same.
These people have deluded themselves that they ARE the popular will, despite having lost not just the Electoral College, but the POPULAR election count. What they ARE are a loud, small cadre of cannon fodder groomed by criminal politicians and Marxist educators.
These fools are fighting to protect rapists, sex and drug traffickers and all manner of low life. There is absolutely no comparison to Boston. None.
Ummm, spoiler alert, but yes, there is a comparison, and I made it.
It's called support.
3+7=A
The irony hasn't been lost on us:
1) The left now LOVES exercising their Second Amendment.
2) The left now LOVES citizen militias.
3) The left now HATES cops shooting protestors.
I'd also love to see the left HATING 5 AM televised perp walks, and I'm REALLY cross with Trump for not staging tons of them (in fact, any at all).
I wonder how much the left now LOVES being supported by the NRA?!
https://dailycaller.com/2026/01/25/nra-goa-mgoc-saf-responsible-voices-minneapolis-shooting/
Mr Water Bear,
"I'm just thinking in terms of the hypocrisy of the democratic reaction where the situation reversed."
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They are what John Carter defines as "Homo Umbrans" (Shadow-Man) lacking self-awareness. I expanded his classification back to the Key-Lock mutation that forced the loss of sane self-awareness, if interested.
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Audio overview on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI42veC7UiU
".. The Ongoing Worldwide Rape of Mind and Soul to fully realize Homo Umbrans" https://stevenwork.substack.com/p/multiverse-journal-index-number-2227 https://archive.is/i6i5W
https://tinyurl.com/bp8bxpav
I'd make a crack about pendulums, or bipolarism, but we all know it depends entirely on which side is in power.
Love that image. I call it the Neil Young syndrome. Anti-authoritarian from 1960s until 2021, then authoritarian for 4 years of Covid, now anti-authoritarian again, and claiming they never changed at any point in time.
Ok, I know this post isn’t exactly on what actual mechanics led to shooting the suspect in the back on an icy Minnesota street. I’m just looking from a bird eye view as a proper tort action would include that if Governor Walz and Mayor Frey had actually used their law enforcement to protect the federal officers doing their job, none of this would happen. If Walz had illegal immigrants actually handed over to ICE at the jailhouse as required by federal law, before being released, none of this would happen. The shooting happened in front of a dilapidated building that house 184 presumably illegal healthcare front that reaped millions every year. The protestors are using a Signal platform to track license plates and debank certain individuals, all with using state resources and databases to accomplish this. The Signal chat was hacked by @0hour1 and it showed many city officials involved in the malfeasance. It is highly coordinated with quadrants and food and hot drinks, etc. So this individual was deployed and actively ordering cars to block ICE.
All of these things I described are chargeable under federal law, but by hook or by crook, AG Bondi will not do it. It would require competence and excellent writers who work with speed to dismantle this entire affray. Is she incompetent or incompetent by design? I do wish JD would get someone in her office to finally write and file these things, I’m sure he’s frustrated beyond belief. So many charges, so many!
Well...Walz won't stop it...it's like Ukraine...the grift is too good..
Exactly, we need criminal charges to stop him and subpoenas on all of his records.
I can''t see any legal basis for a tort action.
The Tenth Amendment says states cannot be required to assist in a federal government action, only not to actively resist it (except for things like lawsuits, which are fine).
The real injured party here are the citizens, who are being used as cannon fodder by their masters. And there may be no action there, because of a 200-year string of "no duty to protect" decisions (sample: South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (HOW) 396,15 L.Ed., 433 (1856)) ruling that local law enforcement has no duty to protect any particular individuals, only a general duty to enforce the laws.
However, I'm much less expert on what legal duties might be able to be assessed against politicians who are NOT police, and the welfare of much larger assemblages of individuals.
I guess I’m writing that because earlier today the Signal chat helping the organized protestors follow and identify cars using DMV databases was hacked and the Lt. Governor of MN was one of the leaders. They must be using the DMV database because they had realtime data about all of the cars. That seems to link the Governor’s team directly to the protestors. I don’t know if anything like this has ever been litigated before? It seems novel and sadly, I seriously doubt Bondi would be able to understand how she would need to address the legal issues in a charging document. Sigh.
The FBI is perfectly capable of doing that work... if they are inclined to. I won't even try to predict. That would lead to a criminal case, which would be perfectly fine by me. That woman is bound to be every bit as dirty as Krystle Matthews.
And right on cue...
https://legalinsurrection.com/2026/01/fbi-investigating-minnesota-anti-ice-signal-chats/
Here is one of the videos of the Lt Gov of MN before the last shooting and biting incident. She is purportedly one of the leaders of the Signal chat.
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2015504528796209275
I get very excited when an alert for a new eugyppius post arrives!
Sorry it happened. Commands from law enforcement should be obeyed immediately.
During the 60’s in LA I was pulled over by LAPD several times ( long hair ) . My response “ Yes officer “,
As sad as it is, I doubt the political left in the U.S. cares one bit that this man has lost his life. I am more confident that they are happy to have another martyr they can use to ratchet up the rhetoric. Sadly, useful idiots like Pretti pay with their lives while the coordinators of this chaos secretly celebrate, thinking this might be a trigger to unleash more of these protests nationwide. Living and operating in their bubble seems to convince them that they are supported by a majority. Whether or not this is true, I don't know - but I doubt it.
I saw a recent poll in which US voters are now roughly 25% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 50% independent. It's open to speculation how many of those independents are in the blue bubble.
I always wonder what percentage of "independents" are independents because they fear to let others know their true preferences, as opposed to how many are just ashamed at the egregious flaws of their preferred party.
I've always been registered as independent (voting generally Democratic, until the last election), aside from brief stints switching to either party in order to vote in a primary.
But now whenever asked on surveys or whatever, I always write “unaffiliated”. I'm ashamed of both of them.
This January in my part of Britain has been the darkest I can remember. We’ve maybe had two or three days when the sun has been visible, otherwise the murk has been overwhelming. It can be very wearing and I sympathise with you.
Thanks friend, same here in Germany: No sun, freezing temperatures, ice and so on. Kind of rough, but I will get through it.
You should Embrace the Suck and go skiing (downhill or crosscountry), snowshoeing, or sledding to lighten your mood. Xcountry is better than running on the knees IMO. Bring some wine with you too! ;-)
This is also true for South Wales where I live, as well as for the Midlands, according to friends living there: it;s dispiriting, and even the resident robin is late with his morning song and not sounding chipper at all.
Still ... won't be long and we can moan about the clocks going forward.
This is why I have never complained about the constant sunshine and high summer temperatures in Arizona. I remember what snowbelt state winters were like during the first 36 years of my life. Never again. My time up north is limited to June through October.
From what I’ve gathering, dark in England isn’t just the weather…
So, sure, it’s tragic that there may have been someone needlessly die. But let’s not forget that the guy who was shot decided to show up with a gun and try to interfere with law enforcement. I don’t think this situation would’ve ended any better if he’d done this with regular police who were trying to arrest a criminal. Bring a gun out with law enforcement and then interfere with their operations and resist arrest, and bad things will happen.
One criminal lawyer on YT has pointed out that even undercover cops have been shot by uniformed cops...
If these were football games, what goes on afterwards would be referred to as armchair quarterbacking...if one is not in the heat at the time, one really cannot know...
Here it is,
This guy is known as a 2nd Amendment self-defense specialist lawyer, and I found his general no-nonsense analyses valuable.
"Minneapolis 37-Year Old Man ICE Shooting – LEGAL ANALYSIS" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJJfrnX8Mk
That's the one...thanks
Don’t approach armed law enforcement officers with a firearm. Especially when they have been targets and have recently had their colleagues shot and killed. Also don’t point your vehicle at them either and then accelerate. LDS, Liberal Derangement Syndrome!
Honestly, I don’t care.
That’s a grown man. He should have enough sense to stay away.
Maybe he wasn’t raised by parents who told him to stay out of trouble, stay away from troublemakers, and that if he was just present when a troublemaker caused trouble he was equally to blame, but that is where being an adult is supposed to restrain you from dangerous actions.
If I had to guess, I’m not the only normal in America who is just through with all of the performative nonsense.
The left is having a temper tantrum because they aren’t getting their way. It’s sedition. We’ve been watching this garbage for ten years. I want heads to roll.
Actually, it’s being reported that his parents specifically warned him not to confront the police just a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately, he didn’t listen to his parents!
Children rarely do.
And that's why we can't have nice things -- like Galt's Gulch.
That is very sad.
His parents - he grew-up in a two-parent household?! He had a father and still he was that twisted?
.. his father must have been under constant no-fault divorce rape threat like what happened with my family. When I was pretty young, he must have been masculine Loving and demanded she make needed changes (being farsighted and willing and expecting her also to sacrifice for family), and so she grabbed us and moved out-of-state to be near her parents .. 6-8 months fatherless screwed us children up as it harmed him and her of course, selfish bitch, we finally returned but the threat was always there, and he could no longer be a father to us or husband to her because she always could force him under threat with State support.
.. this was before women were empowered to murder our babies and brothers and sisters on any whim, women were already Sick and starting to destroy our culture like the mind-broken demonically programmed 5th-column Golem army of Synagogue of Death and Hell serving Satan, as too many clearly are today.
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I wrote about it, and the sources outline all this, and Grandmother generational Wisdom was Demonically modified into Grandmother Poison.
Audio overview of article on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64DKR7CCccE
".. Indigenousness Traditional Majority-White Christian-Based Western Cultural Genocide Apologetic" https://stevenwork.substack.com/p/multiverse-journal-index-number-2234 https://archive.is/k8BCx
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Warning - in this article I mention some fact that throws doubt on a WWII narrative that it is illegal in some Zionist controlled countries to do.
Oh yes....
To be honest, I have struggled to understand all this ICE stuff, what with not being an American and not being in the USA. The ICE people are some sort of border force policemen who have been tasked with finding and deporting illegal immigrants? Whilst doing so they are being hassled by what appear to be mostly middle-aged, middle-class women and blokes who look like geography teachers. They appear to oppose the removal of illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants presumably don't want to leave but don't appear to be the ones waving guns around or driving large motor cars. Why are people objecting to the rounding up of illegal immigrants who arrived illegally and, presumably, live on benefits, handouts and black-market work (which undercuts legal citizens)? I would quite like the ICE people to come over to the UK (although probably without their guns - big sticks would be safer) as I think we Brits would be easier to pacify and our illegals are mostly easy to locate, what with being lodged at our expense in nice hotels and hostels.
You wouldn't believe it, but the biggest crisism I heard from white people suffering from suicidal empathy (more like narcissism) is the optics. They don't like people being dragged off in public and equates it to authoritarianism. These people aren't serious people. There's even talk now that this will threaten the republicans' majority in the senate and that they will lose their majority come mid terms
I think the politics is the whole reason for this. Democrats are desperate to claw back some majorities.
"this will threaten the republicans' majority in the senate and that they will lose their majority come mid terms"
It would be overkill for this purpose. Our Republican legislators are so lackadaisical and nonproductive that such can be accomplished merely by an unseasonable string of cloudy days.
So different Zionist controlled law-makers and executives and some Judges will mean a slightly more or less open path into deeper Hell. Yes, vote harder next time - you'll feel like that 4 year old in the car child-seat with the plastic steering-wheel .. not even noticing that dad has been divorced-raped and psycho-delusional mom is taking you to get your 45th 'vaccine' filled with mercury, aluminum, other poisons of the Gene-modifier that turns you into their intellectual property like genetically modify corn, and they legally own you - for Satan?
Wow. So original and edgy.
Google Cloward-Piven for starters. There are many articles regarding what is going on in the Western countries...I would recommend ZeroHedge on Telegram.
Congratulations. You clearly understand the problem more clearly than 96% of our big-name "journalists."
Which means don't come here in hopes of work, you won't get hired.
Edit: One detail -- although ICE is technically empowered to apprehend any illegal alien for deportation, they're not even doing that at the moment. Right now, they're apprehending ONLY illegal aliens with important criminal charges against them, like violence, rape, pederasty, home invasion, and the like. Democrats naturally defend these scum as they would their family, because... well, perhaps because they are indistinguishable.
Blimey! So you're saying the ICE guys are simply trying to detain the illegal known criminals who have already been arrested on some criminal charge? They aren't actually going after the illegal cleaning lady but the blokes who entered the country illegally and then committed a crime? Do these silly protesters who appear willing to die to defend these criminals know who ICE are trying to arrest?
Arrested? Nay, *already convicted.*
So say I, indeed.
They are objecting because they are Democrats, and, removal of illegal immigrants reduces their prospects for the election of Democrats.