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eugyppius's avatar

tinfoil hat comment:

looking at aschenbrenner‘s exchange with routh more closely - isn’t it kind of weird that she cuts him off and blocks him, apparently unprompted, suddenly on 15 March 2024? he hadn’t texted her on that phone/app since 2022 (the later signal chats run through Nov 2023 at least tho).

why the sudden desire to distance herself from Routh, six months exactly before the assassination attempt? kind of odd.

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Charlotte's avatar

I’m here to say - see our friends at the CIA. We all know that everything that touched the Ukraine situation was just cia, with Victoria Nuland and Vindman types. They definitely knew him. His posts online were bot like- The first or second person he followed was a cia agent. Let me dig around and find the all the posts again. I follow Mike Benz on x and he just immediately points out that 1)this guy was arrested many times, even barricaded himself in a building with a gun, about 100 crimes in all with ZERO jail time. I genuinely think he was groomed. Apparently the cia grooms these Oswald types because they are crazy and then the things they say sound crazy to others- plausible deniability. 2)He also traveled (how did he get the money, contacts etc) to every single hotspot where there is covert USA military activity in the last 3-4 years. 3)- He was interviewed countless times-He got media coverage probably to boost his ego, they know all the psychological tricks. And they know how to deploy them to do stuff.

HTTPS://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1835842473635049485

HTTPS://x.com/cancel lock/status/1835513228560114015

Just as a start :)

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Martin Liehs's avatar

The fact that Routh evaded jail, while also being abe to travel around the world, are a couple of big red flags, indeed.

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Charlotte's avatar

Sorry second link got an autocorrect- it’s: really worth a look

HTTPS://x.com/cancelcloco/status/1835513228560114015

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James's avatar

The Parallax Corporation!

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I am not your Other's avatar

It’s very easy to delete texts sent and received in a thread. My guess is that aschenbreenner did so and then published this screenshot. Must not give away any of the actors’ secrets after all.

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

bc he's insane?

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eugyppius's avatar

i just want to know, what was the reason to block him and provide an electronic record of cutting him off on that precise date. it wasn’t in response to anything routh said, they hadn’t been in touch on that messaging app since 2022.

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Rikard's avatar

Could just be for the same reason I sometimes block numbers and such:

My yearly "house-cleaning" of caches, link-collections, addresses and such.

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

they both seem very mentally unstable, and trying to parse reason/agency in crazy people is often a dead end. conspiratorialism seems to be very contagious these days, so i try to use occam's razor and stick with "crazy people do crazy things" as my default until proved otherwise.

but you are the host here, and i wouldn't subscribe if i didn't enjoy and respect you, so i defer to you.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

There doesn’t seem to be enough info to figure that out.

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Witzbold's avatar

Maybe because of the Semafor article in early March quoting him and linking him to Ukraine's Foreign Legion? https://www.semafor.com/article/03/08/2023/ukraine-is-turning-down-hundreds-of-afghan-soldiers-who-want-to-join-its-war-effort

And National Pulse reports: Failed Trump Shooter Ryan Routh Was Introduced to Journalists By Ukraine’s Foreign Legion.

"A Russian-born, pro-Ukraine journalist has revealed that members of Ukraine’s Foreign Legion introduced her to the would-be assassin of former President Donald J. Trump and admits she overlooked several red flags and inconsistencies because they both supported Ukraine.

Tanya Lukyanova, born in Moscow, interviewed Ryan Routh in March 2023 for Semafor, labeling him “head of the International Volunteer Center in Ukraine,” and noted that he claimed to have partners meeting weekly with the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence."

https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/09/17/failed-trump-shooter-ryan-routh-was-introduced-to-journalists-by-ukraines-foreign-legion

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Karen B's avatar

That's a good catch. Unless he approached her personally or there are some deleted texts that's hella "quixiotic"

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Fredo's avatar

You can’t make this shit up.

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eugyppius's avatar

it's unbelievable.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Trying to apply logic with a sane mind to these utterly deranged humans is not worth the effort, no matter how much time you have available to 'understand'.

As for this particularly deranged human, he really does look, speak and dress the part of a mentally unstable person. As one would expect.

Question: what makes us think that if you are handsome or pretty, have an certain command of language learned from an ivy school and wear a designer suit, you are mentally stable? All around us the suited up elites always show up with polish and there is no shortage of deranged ideas.

In other words: the devil isn't gonna show up in a red costume wearing horns!

Know your enemy.

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Yukon Dave's avatar

He also has a Biden/Harris bumper sticker on his car which sort of clearly shows his current political leanings

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Fig Newton's avatar

The Semafor journalist was interviewed on Fox (Check it out on youtube or rumble), it was quite interesting. She clearly said that they gave him more 'runway' because he was crazy for a cause they were all behind, and would help them further their chosen narrative.

She compared him to the Brad Pitt character in 'Burn After Reading', a very telling remark, yet the 'paper of record' NYT and Semafor were happy to falsely present him as a credible person.

Everything really is fake.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

Hooray for Hollywood!

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Whoreay!

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Warmek's avatar

Fiction has to be plausible. Reality is under no such constraints. :D

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Erik Hoffmann's avatar

Bad Routh.

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Regime media creates Boomerwaffen schizos like Ryan Routh. They are brainwashing Jason Bourne style assassins at mass scale. Trump Derangement Substack is full of people like him too - here is one of many examples: https://chriscillizza.substack.com/p/why-do-people-vote-for-donald-trump/comment/69352926?utm_source=activity_item#comment-69354890?utm_source=activity_item

Routh's Tweets are copypasta from MSM TDS screeds - this is the most infamous one: "Trump is MASA: Make Americans Slaves Again. DEMOCRACY is on the ballot and we cannot lose. We cannot afford to fail. The world is counting on us to show the way."

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Guttermouth's avatar

Omg Boomerwaffen.

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Danno's avatar

and copypasta

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pyrrhus's avatar

And it's scarier than this nut...I can confidently say, from long experience, that at least 5% of Americans are as crazy as Ryan, or crazier...the mass media brainwashing has found its targets in the weak minded or abused population..Hence the Deep State's potential windup toys are effectively unlimited in number....

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

I think the percentage is much higher. I spoke with someone a couple of days ago who was completely outraged that Trump lied about cat-eating Haitians. Oh, and she warned me that he will kill democracy. How I wish...

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Jana Crawford's avatar

My above comment concurs with you....

Even though I am 5th generation New Yorker and have a number of actual con-men in my family tree so I think I can spot one in a $10,000 suit and I personally think Trump is one of them, I laugh to myself about the injecting bleach nonsense.

The childishness of these people reveal their lack of reasoning and one only needs to know which brand of MSM they listen to before they parrot it back....how easily people are duped.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Yes, indeed.

MSM tells them to wear a mask...they obey. MSM tells them to get vaccinated...they do. MSM tells them to hate the unvaccinated...they oblige. MSM tells them to despise patriotic Americans...they do.

If the MSM tells them to "cut the tall trees"...they will...

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Kim's avatar

Remove social 'security' programs, while cutting associated taxes, dismantle all subsidies, and terminate various governmental guidance/'safety' organisations like USDA & FDA .

Doing so will get rid of 90% of society's issues.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

We have to win first, and all the power centers are against us

Some have been willing to change their mind on the Covid situation when I've talked to them, but those who despise Trump have been impenetrable to reason.

If Trump should win, I really think that they will turn to violence.

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I am not your Other's avatar

Absofknlutely. The abused population is huge. And I’d say there’s a reason some of the farthest gone are young liberal white females.

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Danielle's avatar

Because it’s all about the EMOTIONS.

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Danno's avatar

It's all about following the herd.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

I think there are more nutters than 5% or I know a disproportional number of them. They can't help it. They are utterly brainwashed into believing they are exceptional. (I will digress here and say that I also think I am exceptional for NOT believing the nonsense and my pre-2020 friends and family are convinced that I think I am a know it all because of my extreme caution of not getting into a trap of control)

We are surrounded by it since birth! Books, movies, school, media...everywhere you turn 'the greatest country on the earth in ALL of it's history'. Imagine the hubris of this comment! All of the extraordinary civilizations that preceded us and we think the American Empire is the greatest!

The brainwashing, just a tiny example, just this morning I was walking through a grocery store for a few items and in the space of 5 minutes heard the incessant babel on the loudspeaker of 'get your new covid and flu shot', 'so convenient, one shot for two preventions"....right after verbal advertisements of other pharmaceuticals that 'may cause cancer, diabetes, on and on'. These people have consented to having their life psy-oped and they turn around and judge me as insane because I believe in a loving, kind Heavenly Father.

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JC Denton's avatar

I'd say the USA had the greatest promise and founding ideals of any civilization in history. In practice not so much. The Jeffersonians got shafted pretty quickly and have never made a comeback. Hamiltons everywhere, as far as the eye can see, for multiple centuries.

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Computer Software's avatar

According to substacker CoffeeAndCovid, they're calling the new flu and covid one-shot "flupid".

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Britton Leo Kerin's avatar

imagine a guy like this with some help from a competent AI and you have the last days of humanity

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Rosemary B's avatar

OMG I did not know that turd had a substack. I know Robt Reiccchhh does.

Both of these people are hideous imbeciles yikes

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Gemma Insinna's avatar

Love the “ hideous imbeciles”!!!😆👍

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kapock's avatar

If you’re referring to Chris Cillizza, in fairness, Yuri Bezmenov linked to a comment to a Cillizza post. Cillizza himself, in the post and in a reply to the comment, was pushing back against the vilification.

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Danno's avatar

Perhaps the Secret Service should be keeping an eye on Reich.

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V. Dominique's avatar

More like Xerwaffen schizo. Routh was born in 1966. He's Gen X. Not that it should matter. This generational nonsense is pushed to keep us divided and controlled.

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Erik Hoffmann's avatar

Chernobyl, Fukushima, and now Routh meltdown.

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Chuck's avatar

Agree, of course. He's not a boomer, though.

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random mover's avatar

I.m fairly sure it was A*drew A*glin who invented that term circa 2016, when it still retained a bit of relevance.

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Rick Olivier's avatar

"boomerwaffen" LOLz, my man. half my demographic is mental

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Frederick Edward's avatar

When I heard this Routh bloke speak I could think: "This is your brain on full-blown leftism."

He's the perfect embodiment of the ideology. Talks about peace, love, freedom, harmony, society, democracy, rights, understanding etc etc while pointing a rifle at those who disagree with him.

Probably nuttier than a bomb going off in a Snickers factory, too, but The Current Thing played no insignificant part in his history of barmy behaviour. It is an ideology that enables the most insane among us, ennobling their madness and elevating it to vile heights.

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Juliana Swanson's avatar

"Western reporting on the Ukraine war has been a propagandized travesty from the beginning." So sadly true. Thank you.

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Jana Crawford's avatar

While people die and wives, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, husbands all mourn for generations to come.

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Vxi7's avatar

They shot a few billion people with an experimental crap quakcine. After that ukraine war is a mosquito bite...

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Barekicks's avatar

Not for the Ukrainian and Russian people.. don't be insensitive

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Vxi7's avatar

Not for me but for the "elites"

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PamelaDrew's avatar

Upside to old age is memory of similar past events..

Project Censored 2012 Most Unreported stories #4

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has embarked on an unusual approach to ensure that the United States is secure from future terrorist attacks. The agency has developed a network of nearly 15,000 spies to infiltrate various communities in an attempt to uncover terrorist plots. However, these moles are actually assisting and encouraging people to commit crimes. Many informants receive cash rewards of up to $100,000 per case.

https://www.projectcensored.org/4-fbi-agents-responsible-for-majority-of-terrorist-plots-in-the-united-states/

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Blessthebeasts's avatar

It's totally plausible that he's an informant/agent. Alot of them are off the wall nutcases. How else could he be gallivanting around pretending to save the world?

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Gemma Insinna's avatar

And with whose money? And he’s taken many a trip back and forth, and how does a convicted felon get a passport for international travel?

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Gjergj Kastrioti Skënderbeu's avatar

How did "Oswald" travel back and forth to the USSR, when he had maybe $100 to his name and then was never debriefed upon his return?

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Gemma Insinna's avatar

Same playbook!

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Danno's avatar

Exactly. Might the Secret Service have put him up to hiding in the bushes with a rifle in order to demonstrate to taxpayers how effective they are? Is it a coincidence that this happened on a Sunday evening just before Sen. Hawley released his damaging Whistleblower Report? Seems awfully suspicious to me.

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Gemma Insinna's avatar

Also some are definitely saying it was a plant to overshadow that BIG Whistleblower news, slip it under the rug.

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Gemma Insinna's avatar

The guy gives literal meaning to the term troll...and certainly he was sent there, Trump needs to review who’s near him , or who is listening in.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

I believe that a fellow called Judas started the trade.

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Clay's avatar

He has been a convicted felon since 2002, yet was somehow able to acquire the rifle he intended to assassinate Trump with.

Gun control measures like preventing known criminals from possessing firearms is clearly extremely effective.

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Danno's avatar

I'd like to know more about the "AK-47 style" rifle and where he got it. If he was working for someone, it might give us a hint as to who.

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Laughing Goat's avatar

It was an SKS, the US is saturated with those. They're cheap, common and mediocre to shit. Exactly the kind of thing you could buy off of any random Bubba in a private sale.

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I am not your Other's avatar

I read that it was probably from Ukraine.

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Grape Soda's avatar

And he brought it over how?

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Rikard's avatar

Put it in a box, tag it as "Souvenir" or "Art" or something, then mail it to a box adress or "receiver come collect" (I'm translating on the fly, I don't know the English postal terms).

If it's checked by customs, you're SOL and get a fine. Otherwise, your gun arrives in the mail.

Sounds implausible? Check how many customs agents are working on an average day, then compare that number to number of packages passing through at the same time.

If they reach 1/1 000 when checking, they're ahead of the curve. Governments like us to think they check everything, but there's no way to do so given the logistics involved.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Maybe the arms 'shipment' was 'received' by Ukrainians before it left the US.

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Moonspinner's avatar

He's a CIA stooge, of course.

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I am not your Other's avatar

No idea.

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Charlotte's avatar

He also doesn’t have an active license, so he had to steal a car to even get to the golf course.

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Danno's avatar

Or someone gave him a ride.

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Charlotte's avatar

Oh wait, I read that is one of the charges that FL is investigating, his stolen automobile. I might add, of all criminal charges he had in NC, it was never automobile theft. So now he can hotwire a car too…

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Charlotte's avatar

True, like one of his friends at the agency…

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Henrybowman's avatar

Look at the flip side. Guy was convicted of possessing an unregistered machine gun -- in North Carolina, that's classified as a WMD, a Class F felony -- and yet has never spent a single day in prison. Would you get that professional courtesy? I wouldn't.

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Maenad's avatar

Somebody please tell me how this obviously deranged incompetent handyman got the money to do extensive travel and live on in a house on Oahu. Asking for a friend.

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Charlotte's avatar

This is so true. He even sucked as a roofer and a carpenter. Only bad reviews.

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Shan's avatar

None of this makes sense.

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John's avatar

As long as someone supports The Current Thing (TM) the regime media will interview that person without question.

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I've Got A Special Purpose's avatar

E. Jean Carroll says hello.

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Chiadrum's avatar

Truth. He could literally be foaming at the mouth and zero eyebrows would be raised

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Danielle's avatar

Most of the US MSM seem to be foaming at the mouth in most political reports.

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CMCM's avatar

I think TDS is similar to rabies.

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Moonspinner's avatar

We don't have rabies here in New Zealand, but we certainly have ubiquitous TDS -- the vast majority of Kiwis believe everything their globalist media tells them. It's been nonstop Orange Man Bad for 8 years and counting.

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Michael Dansbury's avatar

Don't forget the weirdos during Corona like that Tomas Pueyo bloke: wasn't he the 'Hammer and the Dance' nutter that everyone believed?

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Username's avatar

What I find most astonishing is how so many people can STILL believe that Trump is in some way a "threat" to democracy. Whatever plausibility the argument might have had in 2016 before he took office, was refuted by the ensuing four years. If he didn't try it then, why would he try it now?

For those prone to shouting, "J6!!!!!!", I would remind them that Trump did NOT urge anybody to enter the Capitol; I would also point them to the video footage of protesters shouting "No, we don't do that!" as other "protesters" climbed the walls. It's LEFTISTS who habitually resort to force when they don't get their way.

It was leftists who spent four years trying to overturn or nullify the results of an election, starting with mass violence and dubious procedural ploys early on in the process. Remember the January 20, 2017 riots in DC, where hundreds of people were arrested opposing Trump's inauguration? Probably not, because our oh-so-objective-and-truthful media ignores it. Remember the move to get presidential electors not to vote for Trump? Or the calls for invoking the 25th Amendment, already in January '17?

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random mover's avatar

What do you have to do get on the no-fly list? He had numerous convictions (including one for possession of a WMD in 2002-some sources say the WMD was a machine gun but NYT says it was a "binary explosive with a 10-inch detonation and a blasting cap"). Meanwhile, Tulsi Gabbard has bomb dog teams following her around every time she goes to the airport.

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After noting his patrician looks, polo wardrobe, and ability to travel around the world on a whim I looked “routh” and “North Carolina “ on the web

Don’t know if it is family, but some routh’s who look like him are rather generous donors to unc

Nothing definite but https://businessnc.com/ex-unc-exec-routh-joins-new-republic-partners/

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VeryVer's avatar

it is curious how he paid for everything.

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Rikard's avatar

I've been seeing claims that Trump's golf round was a spur-of-the-moment decision made by him the same day, breaking schedule.

If true - and I have no clue if it is - then that leaves two options:

Routh was staking out the golf course he knows Trump often frequents, hoping for a chance

or

Routh got wind of Trump's change in plans somehow

Personally, I think the first option more likely, as this is how mentally deranged people often acts. If camping for 12 hours on the off chance seems weird, congratulations: you're normal. To a psychotic or eq. that's nothing out of the ordinary.

But it's all speculation as far as I know.

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eugyppius's avatar

he was there for like twelve hours, yes? my guess is that he was showing up at the golf course for days, maybe even weeks, hoping to catch trump at a game.

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Rikard's avatar

I'd lay 50/50 odds of that being the case. Problem is we can't trust the FBI or the SS on correctly presenting any corroborating evidence such as cell phone location data.

It is eerily similar to the murder of Swedish PM Olof Palme in 1986, where the official truth is that a deranged man with an imagined grudge against the PM managed to get hold of a .357 Magnum revolver and ammo (a very difficult feat in Sweden, both for a criminal and a collector), and then accidentally bumped into mr and mrs Palme as they came out of a cinema, the one night they did not have their usual bodyguard with them, while at the same time police patrols and ambulances were all more than 15 minutes away - in the very city center of Stockholm.

About as likely as there being no police at Bahnhof in Berlin a Friday night.

Edit: A very difficult feat in Sweden 1986, I meant to say. Nowadays, it's possible to get hold of a SAW or an AT-4 if you have the funds.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Trump plays golf virtually every Sunday. That was the easy part.

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VeryVer's avatar

i've read the golf course was still closed to the public--making it easier to hide i guess?

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Gail Finke's avatar

They found out he was there at that time by his phone "pinging," so they ought to tell us how long it pinged there, as well as his whereabouts prior to that, but so far nothing.

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Rikard's avatar

That is certainly noteworthy if Routh was any kind of POI to police/FBI/SS already - noticing his 'ping' loitering near where a protected person is going to be sounds to me as something you ask the nearest squad car to check out, just in case.

It really is a bit disconcerting knowing how much surveillance we all live under, legal or not, and how easy it seems to be to evade it for certain people.

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Boris Petrov's avatar

Please stop guessing and focus on new or slowly emerging facts

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eugyppius's avatar

obnoxious comment. 'guessing' like this is simply employing occam's razor in light of the known facts.

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HagarTHorrible's avatar

but how strange is the occurrence that this goofball just happened to pick this particular date and time to be in Florida and post himself by the fence in the hope that Trump would make a spur of the moment decision to present himself as a target? this was a set-up!

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Gail Finke's avatar

Hanging around waiting for Trump seems like a thing this guy would do.

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SnowInTheWind's avatar

Good thought. That would solve the dilemma of a 12-hour stakeout for a spur-of-the-moment decision, and also identify the mole.

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Matt Cook's avatar

This guy Routh is just a typical Trump supporter.

(satire).

(they believe this.)

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Chiadrum's avatar

1000%. After the first attempt, a woketard buddy sent me a meme “republicans with ar’s doing what they do best”

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kapock's avatar

That is how he is being described on MSNBC. (not satire)

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Jim Brown's avatar

"...there is approximately zero chance that Routh is the only crazy self-promoter to have filled our newspapers with arrant nonsense." When you have seen one cockroach, you have definitely not seen them all.

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Guttermouth's avatar

Schizophrenic unstably-housed man spirals, shifts mental fixation from Ukraine to Trump and eventually obtains firearm.

There, that's literally the whole story. I should be a writer or something.

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Rikard's avatar

Sure beats Hollywood and Disney output this side year 2000.

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Guttermouth's avatar

That's easily adapted.

Hollywood version: Schizophrenic [Marvel superhero] spirals, shifts mental fixation from Ukraine to Trump and eventually obtains [super powers].

Disney version: [Queer character of color formerly a traditional heroine of ethnic European literature] spirals, shifts mental fixation from Ukraine to Trump and eventually obtains [a lengthy musical number with magical powers].

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Rikard's avatar

>hurls in rainbows<

San Antonio-based comics publisher Antarctic Press for real published comics about "The Barack Panther vs The Tremendous Trump", among other such titles.

Who needs psychedelics, huh?

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CMCM's avatar

He's apparently also fixated on Taiwan: https://taiwanforeignlegion.com

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Guttermouth's avatar

I'm noticing a recurring theme that this guy apparently has some deep regret over not doing military service when he was younger and has some sort of 'great white hero soldier of fortune' fantasy.

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CMCM's avatar

I think you're right.

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