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Ryan Gardner's avatar

On live TV! Lmao. Germany is living in a perpetual South Park episode.

Truly hilarious. Im laughing so hard I can't think of anything witty or incisive to say.

Goodness. Just. So. Fucking. Stupid.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Stupid yes ..but more concerning is a deep psychological phenomenon I don’t think we fully understand . Something on the order of Freud’s “ Death Wish “ . We all know someone that seemingly subverts their own well being . It’s worse and more dangerous than stupid ..I can live with stupid .

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Luis Gómez de Aranda's avatar

All this comes from self-hatred. They pretend to be taking care of the ecology. Saving the planet, is the mantra.

They know this is not true. They cannot confess to others and even to themselves that they just want to destroy Germany. This is bad enough, but even worse is the fact that they don't want to be destroyed alone. This explains their awful influences in Europe to-day.

They have managed to turn the EU into a suicide pact.

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Belling the Cat's avatar

I believe you are, unfortunately, exactly correct. The only *possible* escape (improbable but within the realm of possibility) will be for the rest of Yurrip to come to its senses and throw every remaining resource into reversing their parallel courses through the example of Germany racing to its logical end faster than the rest. Not the UK, obviously, or France. Maybe the Eastern contingent (already reversing), but maybe a few others. We live in hope.

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KMHgirl's avatar

Yes, it’s hard to see all the people that are proud of this debacle.

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Te Burt's avatar

Thing is, who's in charge of the action? Not the people. But if they go along with it, it won't stop until they are plowing with mules and bulls again. I grew up with Germans - Huntsville. Their children were my playmates. They were smart people, whatever else they were. I always saw Germany as highly intelligent, well-educated and thought-driven. NOT any more. Germany has got to be the dumbest nation on the planet. Will the people ever wake up?

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Joseph Little's avatar

Reality usually corrects stupid, sometimes in a funny way.

But this death wish, so delusional and so assured of the West’s uselessness. Hard to fathom and hard to correct.

But remember, while there are some you cannot help, still there are others you can help.

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Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

Actually, it's worse than stupid...

Absolutely idiocy.

After spending countless millions € cleaning up, they'll replace with some batteries, that store less than 1/2 GW?

You know, that in a few years, after a couple of cold winters & hot summers, some genius politician will claim "we shouldn't have done that".

You know, too little, too late.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

The Pareto Principle, 80-20 Rule. Law of Diminishing Returns.

https://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-the-pareto-principle-the-8020-rule/

These are concepts the so-called 'elite' are very familiar with. They are obsessed with finding "efficiency" everywhere. Yet they are spending 80% of our resources trying to eliminate 20% of what they declare is our biggest threat. When the first 20% of what they spent already eliminated 80% of it. And they know this. Yet they do it anyways. Making it malice, not stupidity.

Most of Pareto's theories are at the heart of finding efficiency in all things, especially governance. Like Pareto-Optimality, Pareto Efficiency:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilfredo_Pareto

Vilfredo Pareto taught young Benito Mussolini when he was a young student in Switzerland, helped Mussolini form his "highest form of political organization," Fascism.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/economic-leadership-secrets-benito-mussolini

Pareto also wrote The Mind and Society and Circulation of Elite, developing sociological theories that describe the types of psychological manipulation and control exacted on us today through media, academia and cultural narrative-shaping. And why the same people end up in positions of power no matter who the public elects. The "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind_and_Society

"In this book Pareto presents the first sociological cycle theory, centered on the concept of an elite social class. The Mind and Society has been named, by Martin Seymour-Smith, as one of the most influential books ever written"

And freedom is inefficient:

'Damned Efficient Slavery’ vs. ‘Inefficient Freedom’

SAN FRANCISCO (AP), January 4th, 1958

https://archive.org/details/dailycolonist0158uvic_1/mode/2up?view=theater

"Because the Soviets mobilize and direct all their economic resources from one centre, he said, they have a great advantage. “Vice-President Nixon called the Russian system slavery. All right, slavery it is. But damned efficient slavery...We cherish our freedom. All right, freedom it is, but sadly inefficient freedom.”

Ignoring Pareto's 80-20 Principle is prima facia evidence that the climate cult is a scam. For 'leaders' to ignore efficiency - when their entire understanding of governance is about optimizing the most efficient controls on mankind to create their vision of Utopia reveals their goal isn't what they are claiming it is for.

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RevelinConcentration's avatar

So are you a commi or a fascist? I’m a little confused.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

So you're a dipshit troll, RevelinConcentration! Going to change your profile name after this post into mine - like you did on other threads? Great to know I have my own security state minder who monitors my posts to try to troll me, impersonate me. I take it as a compliment that I've arrived on the minder's radar because what I share threatens them. So, thank you! Now go F your mother. And visit a Canadian MAiD to finish yourself off.

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kilquor2nd's avatar

Elucidate CM ,unfamiliar .

NL historically got itself so (intnlly) embarassed- on how easy it was to off those so requesting ...

So much so that Edward Brongersma ,40 years chief criminologist now has a limpid page in dutch ,lionising the writer of 'Boylove' ,who went on NL nat TV 1998 -to defend Dutroux's 14 child skeletions under foundations .

If Rutte is not of same ilk ,I will bite a piece out of own posterior .Certainly has several intl judges accepting witness statements of 9th circle factural involvement ,according to Kevin Annett .

The GP who off'd EB ,notably under arrest for a year ,as latter was entirely 'healthy' - only felt hard done by ,just 2 bricks through his Wassenaar mansion window (-Had 8 ,just for opposing stichting Martijn )- the corrupt incubator of Rutte ,EB ,and everything in between ,before it was nominally rendered illegal ,2015)

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

👍👍👍 🤣🤣🤣

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Freedom Fox's avatar

And The Simpsons!

https://i.imgflip.com/aa8afk.jpg

The inverted Hanlon's Razor

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yes! Lolol.

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Fager 132's avatar

Sheftall's Razor.

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Gym+Fritz's avatar

I started to write something, but words are failing me. Time for action. Leadership abhors a vacuum. There used to be a lot of smart people around here. . .

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

I share your astonished reaction. But in me it provokes nostalgic tears.

Will the German government provide kites and keys to the populace so they can capture their own electricity from lightning, in the manner of Ben Franklin? That appears to be where they're headed.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Exactly. Its like that joke:

What did communists use before candles?

Electricity

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Quakeress's avatar

If so, it would have to be 100% biologically degradable kites with 100% certified materials that were produced without any sweatshop labour.

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Matthew McWilliams's avatar

To coin a phrase, "And there it is."

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Alicia's avatar

Yes!!!! But they and we continue to give these nutters airtime. When will it end? When we decide we've had more than enough, thank you.

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John Wygertz's avatar

And I thought Oregon's politicians were insane...

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Ray Noack's avatar

They are . “ I know , let’s just legalize all drugs including heroin and give out free needles to anyone who wants to comatose in our public parks “ ….what could go wrong ?

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John Wygertz's avatar

Yeah, I hope everyone learned from our example.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

I remember when they blew up the cooling tower at the Trojan Nuclear Plant near Rainier--they didn't waste much time taking THAT place apart either. I lost my job out there when they closed that place.

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John Wygertz's avatar

As a lot of people I knew lost their jobs in forest products over false "science" around spotted owls. The manipulation of evidence goes back to the 80's. Nuclear technology was safe then, and still is. There was no human-caused threat to spotted owls then, or ever. But our elites were perfectly willing to sacrifice those jobs in service to their fantasies.

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Maureen Hanf's avatar

I remember that was the first time I started paying attention to local politics. A cousin of mine lost his logging job over that owl.

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John Wygertz's avatar

I was on the science side and watched in horror as the scientific process was manipulated in ways that weren't supposed to be possible. Unfortunately, I've seen it over and over again, especially with the climate agenda and then COVID.

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kilquor2nd's avatar

Orcas breeding success rate at little and big Cumbrae is significantly less than 0.1% ,over 30-40 years .

The number of un-infected radioactive expanding burns from skeleton to skin in selfsame waters in HunterstonPower station - Firth of Clyde in small and large whales referred to by local fisherman as 'acid burns '

My best friend's dad engineered Hunterston .20 years after his birth - radio Clyde advised -in public - all with such a father to get checked on chromosone 11 (22) .

Niel was dead of lukemia within 7 years therafter .

So scotland has nuclear waste buried in Mulwacher Southern Uplands - Burns Country ,near Loch Doon.

Grandmothers camping out in winter from Carsphairn .

No ,nothing to see here .

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John Wygertz's avatar

We have legacy problems from the Manhattan Project installations on the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in central Washington as well. I was referring to the newer power stations like Trojan, which never had any problems and could have provided power for decades longer.

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Eldeezy's avatar

Political insanity knows no borders, here in Canada, our federal government and the B.C. and Ontario provincial governments are all massive 💩shows. The actions of these politicians is becoming more and more likely to rip this country apart but they carry on, oblivious to the damage they're causing on their home turf.

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John Wygertz's avatar

That's why the eastern side of Oregon is trying to join Idaho. It's become clear that sanity isn't coming back to Portland anytime soon, and they have the votes to control the state.

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Eldeezy's avatar

I live in Alberta and I'm a 72 year old separatist, so old enough to know better. I was a patriotic Canadian right up until the time Canada left me. That was when Canadians, mostly from east of Saskatchewan and west of Alberta, elected Justin Trudeau to be Canada's prime minister. One Trudeau as prime minister, in a country's history, is more than enough, too much even. The father, at least, had some intellectual capacity, the son is an idiot. Even I didn't predict the damage Justin Trudeau would do to Canada. If Canada ultimately collapses into a group of smaller countries, where what's still called Canada is a much smaller version than you see on today's map of the world, and I do believe this will eventually happen, the person who will be most credited with the eventual breakup of Canada will be Justin Trudeau. So while now Mark Carney as P.M., leading much the same Liberal government in Ottawa, flits about the world and only stopping occasionally to poke another stick into Donald Trump's eye, I sit here in Alberta, watching with some bemusement as Canada's economy and our nation's cohesion both go slowly circling down the drain and the calls and support for separation grow louder and stronger here in Alberta and in our neighbour to the east, Saskatchewan. There's even talk of both provinces leaving together at the same time and then joining to form a new nation. I don't know exactly what Alberta separation would like but I sense it is coming. Something most Americans, and the rest of the world for that matter, don't know is that there is an actual mechanism, as determined by the Supreme Court of Canada in 1995, that allows for a province to legally remove itself from Confederation and pursue a different future on its own.

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John Wygertz's avatar

Those of us in the Greater Idaho movement are watching you with great interest and are encouraged by the progress of your separation attempt.

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Belling the Cat's avatar

Fascinating; thanks for this comment. I couldn't understand how JTrudeau got away with blatant lies, not to mention bonkers overreaction against the truckers' convoy. Then again I couldn't understand how BHO got away with everything he did. Even now we have few if any examples of any of those folks or their followers truly realizing or repenting the error of their ways.

I spent a little time in Alberta about 15 years ago and really liked it. Wishing you and Saskatchewan the best, hopefully with self-determination in your future!

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India like the country's avatar

Doesn’t the breaking up of nation states into smaller, regional groupings determined by economic, geographic and social interests play into the Technocrats’ ideal scenario?

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John Wygertz's avatar

It's the opposite. The globalists want more projects like the European Union.

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India like the country's avatar

I’m not sure about it being the opposite, I have a sense it is more like “All roads lead to Rome.” I believe it was a talk by Patrick Wood in which he goes thru the history of Technocracy and I recall there being something about decentralized areas linked to global governance structures and the whole thing being run by technocrats and AI rather than elected politicians.

The west coast health alliance or whatever it is called could be shaping up to be an example of this sort of thing. The question is whether such an entity can then be a member of the WHO?

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EppingBlogger's avatar

I used to wonder why the British Foreign Office was prepared to cede so much to the US from what had been our territory in the north west.

Now I think it was wise. The populations and their governments (?rulers) have lost their minds.

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John Wygertz's avatar

Something about the coast…

Are you really in Epping? Kind of a focal point there as well.

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EppingBlogger's avatar

Yes. I live a few hundred yards (meters) from the hotel. The first protesters included a few local Reform Party female members (I am a Reform Party member) and they were swholly local worried people. Subsequently the source of the protesters widened geographically and became more male but it is still largely local.

It is also peaceful almost all the time. Thursdays and Sundays are the busiest but if a Court hearing or a mistaken prisoner release happens there are more protesters.

Brits and especially the English never had cause to show their national flags or to boast about our heritage because we were so settled and confident about these things. Only the EU, the attempt to break up the UK (Blair of course) and massive immigration by disconsonant cultural peopl;e has cause the display of flags around the Epping hotel and much more widely.

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John Wygertz's avatar

History at your doorstep. This is certainly a fascinating time, watching institutional expertise beclown itself in increasing unbelievable ways. Even something that should be as foolproof as a prisoner release, isn't.

Hope you don't have to wait until the next scheduled election to start turning it around.

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CC's avatar

...but they are 'virtuous' no? 🤪

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Eldeezy's avatar

Precisely, they are virtuous? NO!!

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Charlotte's avatar

I feel really badly admitting that this is my 3rd winter where I’m realizing some Germans may need to freeze to death before the majority of them wake up.

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Ray Noack's avatar

“ nothing focuses the mind like getting hung in a fortnight “

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SCA's avatar

Let's hope a majority of them ain't put into that eternal frozen sleep by this lunacy.

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Joseph Little's avatar

Keep talking.

It’s hard to know when you’ve said enough.

It’s hard to know when they’ll hear enough and change.

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Peter Hönig's avatar

I can already tell you that it will have been Putin‘s fault. Narcissists are incapable of admitting to having been wrong, least of all to themselves.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

If I recall correctly, our goodly author told us that he abandoned academia in the United States, owing to the intolerable douche baggery of the professorate and administrative nags.

As I look back, I think my professors in Toronto were in equal measure 1/losers, 2/weirdos, and 3/supremely brilliant people who I deeply admire. Just saying.

This article has put me in a very bad mood. (Not the author he is the 3rd kind of professor.)

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Flatline's avatar
7hEdited

Absolute hubris, but think about the weather sir…

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G3uWvvGXwAAI7dN?format=jpg&name=medium

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Ray Noack's avatar

There you go again ..confusing us with actual facts .

Incredible chart .

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Flatline's avatar

Imagine what it is in real life though, because there is no way the Chinese have broken their decades long habit of cooking the data…

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Peter's avatar

What counts is weather man-made CO2 has any SIGNIFICANT negative impact on on the "ecological balance, (which) is a theory that proposes that ecological systems are usually in a stable equilibrium or homeostasis, which is to say that a small change (the size of a particular population, for example) will be corrected by some negative feedback that will bring the parameter back to its original "point of balance" with the rest of the system"(Wiki - yes, I know...)

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

CO2 and its effect is irrelevant. It is the current mechanism to assert control. A century ago or more it was International Communism. Before that you can take your pick from any number of religious cults and offshoots.

The key element that ties them together is psychologically unhealthy people in positions of authority. Think of Rev. Jim Jones but in virtually all institutions, from media and academia to the police, the courts and your local council. All gripped by a zealotry we fail to understand.

No one in the climate agenda world reasoned themselves into their position on CO2; you can tell because they don't talk about CO2 they talk about"carbon." They don't know the difference and nor do they care. It is a hook on which to peg their need to control us. Nothing more. If it somehow fails they will use meat consumption, internet use, smoking, alcohol, car driving, porn or video games. They are mentally unwell. The cause doesn't matter.

This is an unwinnable fight.

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Richard A.'s avatar

Some guy on YouTube (maybe UK scientist) seems certain than CO2 is a LAGGING indicator.

This "global warming" (although in 1960's it was "global cooling") is definitely political REGARDLESS that ANY project/study in the US reputably must have a climate change term in the title/description to get funding.

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Flatline's avatar

Nuking China and India (and a couple Volcanoes, including the undersea ones) is the only solution to the CO2 crises, I dont trust anyone who is not advocating these “easy” solutions to the issue…

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BigOinSeattle's avatar

How do we know that there is a crisis though? It’s not entirely clear that there is a climate crisis. The settled climate science for the past 130 years is merely that CO2 emissions should increase the greenhouse effect by some unknown amount. That's it. But you’re right that the Rube Goldberg solutions like EVs, solar and wind power are less than useless. I remember when mount Pinatubo in the Philippines erupted and caused cooler temperatures

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CS's avatar

There is no crisis.

But I think Flatline meant so-called crises.

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Richard A.'s avatar

Looking at that graph, it should surprise no one that China supports the "environmental wackos" (admittedly a prejudicial term but reveals my point of view) around the world. And when energy is in short (self ordained) supply, it gives governments the excuse to control it for the "common good". And by controlling speech, this keeps people from hearing any other point of view- except the government point of view. Small wonder that schools, usually dependent at least to some extent on government support, seem to be teaching WHAT to think rather than (previously) HOW to think.

No wonder some people have mentioned making "climate denial" illegal. If (global warming) was BS (and/or people actually believed that that graph was "non fiction") then this whole scam would fall apart.

The "climate change" narrative seems rather fragile, without outside support.

Ad the money spent to support it!

$$$$$$$$$

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Spaceman Spiff's avatar

China's official government policy is strict non-interference in leading Western states. Their diagnosis is all of them will cease to exist by 2050 due to mass immigration alone. The climate suicide insanity is just an accelerant.

I am inclined to agree with their prognosis. We are dying, all of us. And we are busy arranging deckchairs while the iceberg looms.

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CS's avatar

Superb.

Everybody in the West should take a glance at this chart.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Professor, I quote the inimitable Curtis Yarvin:

“If we want to know what a darwinian system will evolve we have to look at the selective pressures on its organisms.

What is our cathedral selecting for?

The selective advantage of an idea may not be driven solely by the quality of that idea . When an idea goes arwy, becomes perverse, it must be because of the pattern of selective advantage in this marketplace of ideas.

A dominant idea is an idea that validates the use of power . There is no market for recessive ideas, recessive ideas, invalidate power or the use of power. A dominant idea is an idea that tends to benefit you and your friends.

The cathedral cannot tell us whether an idea is good or bad because it will always select for the dominant idea. Our institutions cannot hear think know learn understand or teach ANY recessive ideas : that is any ideas that would damage or delegitimate the powers that be.

Punishment and reward are different ways of getting to the same place that is human dominion.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Yarvin is brilliant. I love his take on “ Democratic government “ . “ Try and imagine the state of California creating and producing an IPhone “

I should point out that in 2008 the state set out to build a hi speed rail from SF to LA . Non stop in 2 hrs 45 minutes . As of today ,17 years later and 30 billion wasted we have no rail on the ground . All we have is an overpass in …..Fresno ( look at a map )

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People who have a hard time understanding things like the "high speed rail" in CA have been fooled by the folks "building" it into accepting a false premise. The premise they've accepted is "we are building a high speed rail system". They accepted it because that's what the politicians and their "experts" told them. But that is not the real reason for the project. The real reason is the same real reason for all government projects:

To spend the money.

Once you understand this, all those "inefficient, stupid, outrageous, over-budget" projects make perfect sense. They are jobs programs and graft vehicles. The idea is to transfer as much wealth out of your pockets into the pockets of the politicians' favorite supporters as possible, some of which will then come back to the politicians in the form of donations or gifts.

When you understand the true purpose, you will see that not only do these things make perfect sense, they're also *wildly successful*. You'll understand that things like the "high speed rail", or Solyndra, are beautiful and flawless tools for fleecing ignorant taxpayers of their wealth.

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Joseph Little's avatar

I think a lot of people, especially on the left, know this is true.

And a lot of people, esp on the left, spend a lot of time pretending that “spending the money” (as you described) is NOT the goal.

To be fair, there are a few things, or at least some things for a while, where leftist and govt people are actually trying to achieve an agreed goal. (Eg, educating the kids).

But:

1. The lose the goal or don’t measure, get feedback, and correct.

2. In general the left and govt is very incompetent at DOING anything. Their good people are mainly good at conceptualizing and talking.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Does any of this comport with your thinking?

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eugyppius's avatar

of course, I am very sympathetic to this kind of reasoning.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

The cathedral effect is in my opinion, the intersection of healthy human ambition and practical considerations like not losing your job, . You gotta go along to get ahead. We are doomed. Your plague Chronicle is just that, a chronicling of our inevitable and unavoidable (yes?) failures. This is our fallen world.

Unavoidable, yes?

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Richard A.'s avatar

Never despair. It doesn't help. Life is short enough. Look around you and compare your situations with others. It can always get worse, maybe in comparison it is not so bad?

Despair slows down thinking and makes it easy to get into a "doom loop" Thinking yourself out of a bad situation is the most realistic hope.

Laughter can divert us too, and can help people see your point of view from the unexpected juxposition (in this case that some people think a idea of "improvement" is in alignment with deindustrialization and inpovershment + very expensive energy)

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Chixbythesea's avatar

As an American it took me a while to figure out the European parliamentary system. After casual observation and head scratching I have concluded that it always tends to reinforce establishment parties, like so much cathedral selection.

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The Anti-Gnostic's avatar

I've concluded that parliamentary systems are so voting cannot change the government. Maybe things will get so out of whack that AfD, Reform and FN get outright majorities but doubtful. If they do get in power their incentive, an entirely appropriate one, would be to abolish the prior government and form a new republic.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

I think AfD would have to reach 51% or more so a coalition is not required, but E or the other natives here would know for sure. I think that as things get worse they can approach 80%. Look at the 80/20 issue of incarceration/deportation of foreign gang bangers in USA. Surprising but achievable. The only Q of how bad does it get before this conclusion is reached.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

🎯

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Chixbythesea's avatar

💯

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Cool I think Curtis is the shit.

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Ray Noack's avatar

He is brilliant and extremely well read . He has led me to many great books .

So you believe in “ Democracy “ ? How ‘s that working for you ? Does your vote make a difference ? No person is illegal ? Trans rights are human rights? Black Lives Matter ? Free Huey Newton ?

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Diamond Boy's avatar

I need to read Yarvin at least once a week. He cuts through the shit. Generally speaking, I think I understand about 2/3 of what he says, but I think he likes it that way. He also regularly insults his audience. I appreciate that.

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Dingo Roberts's avatar

I'm not one who has any business making predictions, but I predict that the picture of that explosion is going to be infamous. It's going to have a notoriety that will far surpass the picture that was responsible for the Streisand Effect.

These greenies are living in a self-reinforcing spiral of madness-induced absurdities, of which this seems to be the (current) pinnacle; the ultimate self-flagellating penance as they drive themselves into their own self-inflicted Dark Age. Times will be hard, but at least the planet will be comfortable!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yup. These people have just become the acceptable faces of barbarism

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Peter's avatar

In reality, this will just widen the economical gap, creating an 'under-class' destined for destruction (self inflicted or by state tyranny), vs. a self-rightious elite... Where have I heard this before..? (cough-Soviet Union-cough)

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

Perhaps as infamous as the explosion of the Hindenburg which would be an ironic result. You folks can fill in the blanks on this one.....it strikes me as hard to fathom how the German populace can keep falling for these "solutions".

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EppingBlogger's avatar

Maybe gun licenses should be issued for shooting eider ducks. The feathers make very warm clothes and blankets.

Chose blankets because you won’t be going anywhere.

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leonid breshnev's avatar

Good idea, hopefully they'll start target practicing in the next Bundestag Parliament Session.

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Eidein's avatar

> The truth is that the shrieking media personalities and activists leading the charge don’t want to have good jobs or to bequeath our children a nation full of prospects. Sometimes it seems like they don’t even want to heat their homes in winter

For the last fifteen years of my life, I have lived in places where if the temperature goes below freezing, it is very very unusual. As everyone knows, I don't live in a place like that now.

last week I accidentally locked myself out of my house taking out the trash, in my gym shorts. One hour outside, 5C weather, and holy fuck I will set every chunk of coal on fire and blanket the sky with CO2 if that's what it takes to make it never be this cold ever again. And this isn't even cold yet! It'll be -40 outside in 3 months, I know I've taken that before, but I don't think I can take that now. Fuck the planet, it needs to be warmer anyway

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rjt's avatar

As unemployed Germans sit inside their freezing homes while trying to fend off invading Muslims, at least they can look out the window and take pride in the dramatic improvement in the climate their sacrifices have brought about.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

German people have to suffer more before things change. At least the world has a first hand view of what happens when the inmates run the asylum.

Silver lining?

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Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

Practically speaking, there is no silver lining.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

It has to get worse before it gets better, something something….

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Quakeress's avatar

The problem is that if it gets much worse, the damage will be irreparable. Well, we're probably past that point already.

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Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

The worry becomes:

And then what?

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Departing EU? AfD says they wish to work from within the EU but perhaps they’ll change their mind considering the loony policies coming from there.

Putin said Europe is in his rear view mirror. No cheap fuels in future.

Reconstitution of government? These European governments were set up by USA after WW2. Maybe it’s time they ditch what ain’t working.

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

The EU has become like a roach hotel....the elites of the nations check their countries in but the populace can never check out.....just observe how Orban/Hungary and Fico/Slovakia are being set up for shunning.....for the EU elites, though, once the tipping point comes it's unlikely that any semblance of order will survive. There is hope though, barring Israel starting the flinging of nukes, the market will eventually solve this problem.....populations that have experience the luxury of civilization don't really like the kind of deprivation that results from the kind of policies embraced by the "West". Or I could be full of hot air.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

No you’re not.

It’s an interesting academic exercise for me to observe though I am not insensitive to the plight of civilians. I feel that way about UKR vs RUS as well. I suspect all aspects of the conflict will be studied for decades. From the propaganda war to the attrition to the, “what ifs.” I sound like an a-hole, like I’m carving up people’s lives just to satisfy my own curiosity. I don’t mean that.

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Ray Noack's avatar

You mean “ life sucks and then we die “ ?

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Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

Yeah.

You said it better.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Yes . Some country will have to implode to expose the net zero hoax .

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Krispy Kris's avatar

Hello from a PA farm boy in Germany. That was not the first "celebration of demolition" of cooling towers at a nuclear plant. Two years ago they "decommissioned" a fully functional plant. The only thing missing in the Chyron was "wir schaffen das."

I grew up in Pennsylvania where the first language was not English but Pennsylvania Dutch. My first visit was in 1979 with a chum from the international school I attended. (Incidentally, Perkiomen School was founded by a relative; Oscar Kriebel) In '83 and '84, I was here as a tourist, with the latter visit resulting in a 10-year ban on entering the country. Later in the 80s, I spent time under the radar on the US Marine's dime in Landstuhl, getting put back together in my pursuit to "make the world safe for democracy." My love for the German people and culture should be beyond question.

I've lived in Germany for over 20 years and have seen the decline firsthand. I chose to go the route of the trades instead of using my engineering degrees to work for Ford or Toyota. As a result, I have a bit of perspective from the working class regarding the decline of Germany over the last few years.

Mutti Merkel might have been well-loved here, but anyone paying attention knew that her motives we not as pure as the driven snow. Perhaps Osama Obama had additional information from his snooping on her personal calls beside telling Jürgen to turn the heat up.

My German wife was one of those at protests "Hop-hop-hop, Atomraketen stop." Me? Back in the 80s? When they were building a nuclear plant in Limerick, PA (now 10 years overdue for demolition). I was arrested for putting up signs "Limerick—Ground Ground Zero" I was young and naive, but there was the "small problem" at Three-Mile-Island previously.

From my perspective, Germany is following the script for the book by the much-vilified Thilo Sarrazin. At both economic and demographic levels Germany is/has passed the point of no return.

The Greens all beat their chests, tear their garments, and sing in the discordant choir of "sustainability." The result of which is the absolute opposite. Without industry, employment, and production of physical products for sale on the open market, there will be no money to finance their delusional, unsustainable nonsense.

Germany was the #1 export nation in the world, only to be overtaken by China in the past 15 years. 15 years? What was the ruling coalition in Germany?

I can't say this out loud at home or at work, but the AfD appears to be the only party that might be able to correct the course of Germany. The nation is sailing into the abyss, guided by the Sirens' call of the "climate change" narrative. (https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/homer/the-odyssey/william-cullen-bryant/text/book-12)

The only way to save all industrialized nations is to cast off the chains of NGOs and special interests.

It would be a boon for humanity to turn AI/KI loose to "follow the money" and track down the perpetrators of these attacks on the way of life for us working folks.

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Henrybowman's avatar

"I can't say this out loud at home or at work, but the AfD appears to be the only party that might be able to correct the course of Germany."

The analysis is clear: Germans must grow enough of a set to say AND vote this, or they must get their affairs in order to bequeath entirely to their conquerors.

Here in the US, our own recent "crucifixion event" has suddenly given conservative and Christian students the fortitude to organize massively over their leftist oppressors.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/this-turning-point-tpusa-says-campus-chapter-requests-surge-over-54000-after-kirks-assassination

I wouldn't wish an assassination on any AfD worthy, but speaking strictly in terms of realpolitik, if one did happen, it might be one of the best things for common-sense, freedom-loving Germans.

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jim's avatar

I am curious as to how much food you have stored in case of a crisis in Germany.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Talk about burning your bridges. I wonder how much this was motivated by the desire to completely remove the option to reverse course on energy production.

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Rikard's avatar

tl:dr-anser: One of the go-to states and personality-traits of a politruk/apparatchik/corporat is "Because Fuck You, that's why".

Rant:

Ca 100%. It is a feature of that hybrid-mongrel creature common in all large organisations, that can execute orders so well they inevitably end up promoted to a position where they have to think for themselves.

And thus, they equally inevitably create situations where they need to destroy all other options since doing so is the only way their idea can be the best one.

To this type of creature, this makes perfect sense without any malicious aforethought (or any afterthought) because lacking creativity and imagination both, this is how they understand the world: people do things which have been decided upon by committee as being the Right Thinh To Do, and so... in endless fractal recursions.

Down South, where I used to live, the state authority for railroads (all railroads in Sweden are nationalised, have been since the 1950s) decided that a line crossing the southern region of Scania from SW to NE was to be scrapped. The counties along the route offered to buy it at cost and run it themselves as public transport, as otherwise one had to go on a round-trip of Scania (which is a small region, barely 150km on the side, with coast on three sides - and all the major roads follow the coast - so a diagonal rail-line made perfect sense).

The state authority said no, the counties appealed to the government, and the governement upheld the decision to not just close the line but to remove the railroad completely so that no later demands for re-opening it could be made.

As I said, BFYtw is built-in.

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AndyinBC's avatar

"they inevitably end up promoted to a position where they have to think for themselves.'

Important Observation: Many students of the bureaucratic mind have concluded that after any length of time in that mind numbingly, stifling environment, the probability of any individual possessing any ability to "think for themselves", approaches zero.

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Rikard's avatar

Yes - from talking to such in private, I've come to suspect it is a survival/coping mechanism run amok.

Some learn to switch on/off so that they are the stereotypical automaton at work.

Some have, for whatever reasons, a personality that makes them naturals at seemingly mindlessly follow orders, and which they therefore never can switch off, as there's no off to switch to.

And for some, the majority I suspect, the switch eventually gets spot-welded to "on" (or "off" but that results in the individual getting the eff out of Dodge).

I too have experienced a workplace where the ad for the job said they wanted "creative individuals used to thinking outside off the box", and the actual job was "follow Margret around for the first week so you know what we do and how, then repeat that until you retire".

Maybe 50 000 years into the future we will have two human races: the individual ones, and the eusocial ones.

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AndyinBC's avatar

Are you postulating that homo-eusocial will still exist that far in the future?

At the rate they're going, even 50 years seems optimistic!

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Rikard's avatar

I'll have to get back to you on that one.

Perhaps I've read "The Time Machine" on time too many.

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Richard A.'s avatar

Like they tried to do with the bought and paid for Mexico-US border wall in the US. Biden* sold the purchased and assembled (but not installed) border wall as scrap to various metal scrapping companies for pennies on the dollar. I understand money was raised to purchase this back from the companies before Jan 20 2024.

And of course Project Veritas film of the EPA apparatachek bragging of "throwing gold bars off the Titanic" where the EPA moved many billions to various NGO's so Trump couldn't use it. This money was "clawed back" however

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SCA's avatar

Well, you guys have reached the level of my idiot ex- and late father-in-law, respected professor of English and high-level civil servant that he was, over in one of Those Places, who built his lovely house to be all-electric and without fallback fireplaces in a region that experienced power outages for at least six hours a day in the winter rainy season, and I can testify that homes built to withstand the brutal summer heat are mighty, mighty chilly when it ain't sunshiny outside.

When our little coal brazier wasn't enough to keep my twinkly toes from freezing I'd go down the street to one of the in-laws' places where a cozy fire would be all nice and toasty.

Congratulations, Germany, for truly reaching that third-world level at last.

I ain't actually that much better off though in New England. Even though my building has hot-water baseboard heat, when the power goes out as it does not infrequently in the winter months, we getses our selveses cold too. Worse off in a sense, without the feeble remedy of braziers. You guys understand now why I do that crocheting so much? You never can have too many cozy cardigans.

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Henrybowman's avatar

German progressives are striving for the added moral virtue involved in attaining third-world status.

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SCA's avatar

You know, after surviving them multicultural adventures of mine I really came to understand Scarlett O'Hara's determination not to experience reversals of fortune ever again.

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Anthony E. Vieira's avatar

A part of Progressivism of any sort is the belief that you can blow shit up or burn it down and that, in that, you will feline-like land on your feet and be all the better for it. Voila! Progress! That humanist confidence is pure in its self-deceptive self-destructive draw. This is the sickness that is Utopia.

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Tom Kallenberg's avatar

Unbelievable ! Germans paying about 0.4 Euros per KWh ( 45 cents US ) ….. rational people would storm the Bundestag. Power in Flyover USA ( e.g Oklahoma) is about 10 to 12 cents/KWh. God bless capitalism, common sense, competition ….. and, yes, President Trump🇺🇸

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bgt's avatar

We're not storming anything. Famously we're very good at following orders.

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Ray Noack's avatar

He does have a way of calling “ bullshit “ on things . We will soon start drilling in Alaska . The greens in most of the USA are defeated . California is giving Germany a run for its money . It doesn’t get much more insane to spend 17 years and 30 billion on a hi speed rail but forget to put down any rail. But we do have an overpass in …Fresno . Why Fresno ? ..see my point about challenging Germany for stupidity

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Warmek's avatar

I think all of the states around California should help them achieve their goals and stop selling them electricity. Or oil. Or gasoline. Or diesel. Let them make do with what they can produce out of their solar panels.

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leonid breshnev's avatar

Trump is an Illusion and my fellow americans will soon find out who is and who isn;t ruling the US.

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Ray Noack's avatar

I won’t argue that point but only call your attention to the alternative . Would you stay in USA if Kamala Harris won ?

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Warmek's avatar

Someone would have needed to stay and fight, so, yeah. Though I probably wouldn't have lasted very long.

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