AMEN! ME TO....sometimes I wonder if this is negative reinforcement or too much negativaty...but I think this is a healthy way to test the truth, vent and hear the mental state of others. I thank God for this substack.
One could draw parallels to the normalization of homosexuality in our society. Little bit by little bit. Now we have boys becoming girls and pedophiles rebranded as minor attracted person's.
I bought into the lie! All my family spoke this BS into me at age 12 and cursed me with words, rather than blessing me with honor about my many God given gifts. Homosexuality is idolatry! It's men trying to usurp masculinity and missing identity from others (notice how externally focused and superficial they are about status,clothing,home decor etc...). When you look at porn...you're trying to connect with your missing self--the childhood trauma that caused your loss of identity. You think an image of another person is going to fill the void in yourself that your shitty parenting caused a void. It's really the God void. The intimacy with yourself and the GRACE toward yourself that we all hope to find. It is there...keep inviting God into those dark places that shame kept you distant from.
I don't know if homosexuality is something they are born with or if it is something they learn later in life . It is not natural that two persons of the same sex want to be married .Is there homosexuality in animals as in humans ? Would two milk cows get interested in each other ?
I really don't care if it is a defect they were born with, or a defect they learn, but it is a defect.
All the men in my family have a proclivity to have fits of rage and smash things. Is that hereditary or learned behavior? Maybe a bit of both. In either case none of us have fits of rage and smash things out and about in society. Certainly nobody has ever celebrated us for coming out as angry smasher assholes. No parades either.
I could suspect that at least 5-10% of men in our society have this particular defect. Some of them do it while out and about in society but most excercise it in private because it is not really something to display or be proud of.
But... perhaps it is a thing that shouldn't be kept in the closet. Perhaps we shouldn't be ashamed of it. Perhaps society should embrace it and accept it. What's the big deal? It's just guys getting a little angry and smashing their own things. Doesn't affect you. Don't judge. What we do with our own private things is our business. We were born this way! GOD made us this way! Who would choose this? We just want to get mad and smash and be happy! Just accept it you bigot! ALL WE WANT IS ACCEPTANCE!
You still with me? Good. Now that we've been accepted by society we will be content to smash our own things in public. But hold on. Those things we smash cost us money. We were born with this orientation towards smashing things and can't help how we feel. Who would choose to get angry and smash? Anyway, we think our homeowners insurance should cover the cost of smashed items. Sure, it will drive everybody's rates up but can you really put a price on us smashers being our own true selves? You would only object if you're a bigot.
Now, with that settled, let's have a big smasher parade in front of you and your children. Speaking of children, let's talk about education. Your children should be taught that rage smashing is normal and should be celebrated. Heck, your kids might be smashers themselves and should be encouraged to explore the endless possibilities of whatever they might be. Could be they are bed shitters, cold-post lickers, eyeballers, butt-chuggers, close talkers, cow tippers, turtle flippers, electric fence pee-ers, etc.... The important thing is all of this is normal behavior that healthy societies engage in and only bigots don't want these behaviors everywhere.
If your child feels slightly inclined towards the rage smasher lifestyle maybe we should start injecting them with testosterone to help fuel their rage. Don't worry, we won't inform you it's happening or trouble you with any details. Cool with that, or are you a bigot?
Cool cool. Last thing: A lot of us in the rage smasher community have decided to identify your things as our things.
I'm so glad we live in such a tolerant society! Aren't you?
great analogy! all about self responsibility and dropping the victim identity. Continue to Blame others and you'll be perpetually wounded and limping along in life. The 'way' is all in Jesus message, humility.
it's trying to find your lost self. The reason the bible says it's an abomination is not to make it abhorent and horrible (which wrongly makes it worse), it's that God says it is not going to fix the problem...yes, you have the desire to connect physically/sexually...but it is misguided and won't work. that is why in homosexuality and drunken-ness and wantoness, jealousy, adultery, wanting what others have, hatred, unforgiveness etc.... will block you from entering the kingdom of heaven. They are all directed by YOU trying to get your needs met....Not believing God telling you that HE is your SOURCE and will fill your void if you obey--pay attention and seek HIM. Seek you first the kingdom of God and THEN you will get your needs met, get wisdom Get yourself still and in peace and listening, OPEN state...like a dog in obedience school...God wants your attention...forget about the squirel that just ran by. ...THEN YOU CAN BEGIN TO HEAR THE TRUTH. Humility is when you become TEACHABLEf! When you 'know it all' you are filled with arrogance and BS and you'll fall for all of satans lies...ergo...get something like a vaxx promoted by narcissists only looking out for themselves....not for your best interest. GOD HAS YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART...BUT YOU CANNOT KNOW THIS WITHOUT STUDYING THE BIBLE...it's the beginning of understanding and wisdom...then when he gets your brain calmed down with his truth...then you begin to open up to your spririt being.
Yes, 10% of higher order animals are homosexual. Even chimpanzees' fuck the same sex for affection and dominance.
Joe - think about this as a thought experiment:
Is it revolting for you to think about putting your cock in a hair dirty asshole of another man?
I think that answers your question. Who the hell would do that if that's not their proclivity?
On the flips-side; do I think some homosexuality is influenced by the decadence and debauchery of the times we live in? The answer is a resounding YES!
that's a dominance action, dogs...cows etc. humping--not sexual.. not homosexuality. same sex attraction is a missing parenting from both mother and father. It all gets fucked up if children are neglected and abused. If your gay family are honest...most were molested or groomed by ppl near them...uncles(in my case) or teachers or bad characters etc... NEVER buy into the homo and tell them that they are normal to feel that way... It is a lie. I know and lived it. The women who say "oh, he was born that way" and buy into the lie are narcissists and have an agenda (though they are far from realizing that they are deceived). How on earth can a woman relate to this? It's called enabling and it is codependency! They are perpetuating a lie in the child/homo adult....encouraging a lie b/c they themselves do not have a strong identity of their own. Keep everyone weak and deceived and wounded and a victim and you've just ruined their lives further. NEVER take advice from a narcissist. PPL who hate themselves do not help others to find their true selves...they continue the generational BS.
Yep, my mom's brother came out as gay and threw his soon to be x wife under the bus. Didn't outright blame her but insinuated she caused it. Then it changed to him being born that way. Trouble is my mom remembers him coming back from his first year of Catholic boarding school a completely different person. Their dad died when they were kids too. Weird.
That's pretty broad. It's lumping parenting behavior in with homosexual behavior. Many species share parenting roles. Doesn't mean they are gay. Bonobo males grooming each other could be observed as homosexual behavior but so could human males visiting the barber shop if your criteria isn't narrow enough.
Rams in captivity? Not really a natural world observation scenario there.
Even if it is observed in nature one would have to capture said animals and eliminate genetic or developmental defects to be able to declare homosexuality as a naturally occuring behavior.
There are examples in nature. Swans, for instance; there was a well-known pair of female swans in Jackson Hole that nested together and acted in every way as a lifelong couple. Except for the reproduction part.
A couple of defective dike swans only prove that homosexuality is a defect. Unless they were disected and any possible genetic or developmental abnormality was ruled out one must be assumed.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with gay swans unless they throw themselves a parade or try to groom little cygnets.
I only pointed out that there are indeed examples in nature. "Defect" is a value judgment and subjective, unless you mean something specific like a genetic abnormality which could be considered a defect. It could be certainly considered a defect in the survival-of-the-species sort of sense. I don't see that as a big problem in Homo sapiens.
I mean, homosexuality was illegal in most Western countries, but millions of people were driven underground to practice it in unsanitary and sordid settings: public toilets and institutions, despite the huge personal risks and stigma.
I don't necessarily think homosexuality should be illegal. It should be if people can't keep it to themselves and it causes society to spiral out of control like we are seeing right now in the west. I don't think homosexuals should be a protected class. You want to be gay? Be gay. If somebody wants to discriminate against you for it that's your problem.
Oh, were you talking about the "furries"? I understand now. I just tend to think of them the way I would a lot of neolithic barbarian peoples of past fallen ages, fetishizing animals. The only difference now is that they are domesticated (as opposed to running at me with battle axes and stone hammers in their wolf pelts)
I think it's pretty clear this is all planned. This Corona was created to further destroy capitalism and the West. While enslaving and killing us. I don't give a rats ass if it came out of Wuhan or Gates ass, but they are the creators of it all. AND they will create the next one they keep talking about. All of a sudden our reality is pandemics? Are people really this stupid and have ZERO MEMORIES?
It's like I say when discussing 9/11 whether it really happened the way "they" said, or whether it was a planned nightmare. "It doesn't matter "how" it happened, what matters is that the event was used to quite literally erode massive amounts of liberty in America and around the world.". Sometimes it's worth looking at the outcome of a situation rather than focussing on the "how" it happened.
Exactly! I love the dolts who ask, "Where did the planes go" after you show them there is no plane at Shanksville, no plane at the Pentagon, and that steel reinforced buildings don't' eat airplanes that fly through the air. That they are not made of anything that can go through a cement and steel building and disappear BUT BUT, where did the planes go? OH STFU YOU MORON> That's what I'd like to say to them.
absolutely....GW Bush was the most dishonest, he was compliant in the whole episode. All while acting and saying what a christian background he comes from. He is still showing his "fruit" in his anti-trump rhetoric and pro obama BS. All I hope for is Karma
Yes, reading this Eugyppius article I was thinking of 9/11 and how the fallout from that — the lockdown of all airports, the Patriot Act, other loss of freedoms. — caused a lot more damage than the actual planes. It was probably a helpful example to whoever engineered this current mess.
911 was all planned. We could not have gotten here without it. They needed a total surveillance state so they could control and launder money. 911 was the beginning of the last act. The acts last about 30 years. We are very close.
Good idea, as will I, but Joe Biden's "second Pandemic" may not respond to the Ivermectin or other non-vaxx treatments. It may not be respiratory or even viral. Who knows what these criminals will come up with next.
Yes they are this stupid and have absolutely zero memory. I went through this memory checking already with multiple events in the past 20 years and people just repeat what they hear.
Hopefully the last two years and the next two years of Clowns Incorporated will provide opportunities to remind them of how some of the losses of our liberties were due to things like the Patriot Act, etc., etc.
To make the connection that the current state of affairs was a series of mistakes of overreacting/panicking and ignorance by the bureaucrats, politicians and the public themselves.
Look at as an opportunity. I've converted a few of my friends using this technique
I think our jobs getting easier.
I'll use an old quote of Reagans that might help.
"Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours"
Whether they lose their job or not we have carnage ahead that even the least informed and/or the most recalcitrant can't ignore
People that I previously thought were smart are responding in such a stupid way to all of this that I have wondered if there is some kind of mkultra mind control techniques being used on them via TV and social media. Thankfully some of us appear to be immune to the mind control. My parents were in a cult when I was growing up, so I have some natural immunity to brainwashing
The sheople. Will have no problem doing the last two years over again.
Which is more dangerous than the first time
Not to be a dick, but what don't you understand about that?
And what don't you understand about being out in public everyday (often at significant cost), with my name behind my convictions, in order to do whatever I can from allowing this abomination to ever happen again to the little ones?
Is thar clear or do you want a long list of my actions over the last two years.
Oh I got it. You and I have exchanged enough chats to understand you were replying in good faith. Thats why I put the disclaimer about being a dick. It does concern me a bit that you didn't understand my initial post. That may be my fault. You know how it is. Tough to communicate precisely on these boards
I'd be a little bit more cautious with your conclusion. They're both opinions but would you accept episodic mandates on planes?, etc., etc
they've taken over 30% ish of the minds of the masses! all thru fear and manipulation...just like satan in the garden. get ppl afraid of missing out on somehting and you've got them trapped. This is why they keep changing the narrative...it keeps the vulnerable grabbing and scrambling to keep up with MSM and the BS dribble.
It's called capitalism. But it's not. They are close. People at the top in both scenarios become greedy. In socialism those at the top have unbridled power and no check in balance.
They are being manipulated, threatened, killed, and paid off. That's why. It's not a matter of them thinking at all. This is tyranny at the highest levels with the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world, NOT ON THE FORBES RICHEST LIST. That list is for nickeL baggers that report to the people who control it all and allow these Forbes list people to exist, as long as they tow the line. Got it?
Evidence of Fauci and Collins making efforts to squash lab leak, or the insanity of putting Daszak in charge of the investigation makes the truth as obvious as Pfizer and the FDA trying to hide their data for 75 years.
ok, but just to be annoying devil‘s advocate: if we find proof tomorrow of natural origins, all these things can still be true, and acquire rather different significance.
Most of the following is from memory, but I did check sources when I first read the information.
The initial response of at least one group of NIH supported researchers was that the virus appeared to be engineered. This was released in NIH emails from early 2020 requested under a FOIA request. A few days later those same researchers were part of the larger group that denied the engineered theory.
The US NIH manages $40 billion a year for global research funding, including to all the scientists in the NIH emails and the Wuhan lab. If you're doing non-commercial medical research more than likely you're at least in part funded by Dr Fauci or the Wellcome Trust. The US NIH therefore has considerable control over global research, and it appears, over the opinions of fund recipients. The 50 scientists who claimed "natural origins" in early 2020 are all recipients of Fauci's patronage.
In 2014 Obama banned Gain of Function research on viruses. The US NIH quietly transferred funding to Wuhan, and research on humanized mice used to test viruses was also transferred to Wuhan. Gain of Function research continued in the Wuhan military controlled lab, and NIH was thanked explicitly by the "bat lady" of Wuhan. Daszak's organization (which, sadly for me, is the wildlife conservation trust founded by Gerald Durrell but renamed) was used as a proxy to transfer the funding.
The fact Daszak boasted in 2016 (or was it 2017) that his colleagues in China (i.e. Wuhan) had spliced a spike protein onto a bat Corona virus is also suggestive.
There is also the report from a Chinese university that was all over the internet in late 2019 suggesting research practices at Wuhan were unprofessional, and that one researcher had been covered in various fluids of bat origin. Also that lower paid staff would take animals from the lab and sell them in the local wild meat market. And the account that certain staff members from the Wuhan lab were suddenly removed from the web page of the lab in the fall of 2019.
The previous paragraph I can't authenticate. The report from the university in China was quickly removed.
And the fact the disease began (or at least is reported to have begun) in Wuhan is also suggestive - given the presence of the lab, and the suggestion the bats from which the closest viral relative originated are found 800 km from Wuhan. (Workers in a cave in that region became sick and so bats were collected and shipped to Wuhan for research).
I suppose it's possible Covid-19 had a natural origin. The problem is all the circumstantial evidence points to a lab-leak. I imagine you'd be hard pressed to make a criminal case for a lab-leak and win, but based on the volume of evidence you might win a civil case.
Anyone who rejects the lab-leak theory generally has Chinese interests in my experience. Or receives funding from US NIH or the Wellcome Trust.
It’s the difference between a house that is torn apart by a wind storm, a dog, or a burglar. The wind storm catches everything indiscriminately. The house torn apart by the dog has a giant mess in the pantry. And the burger ignores the kitchen and looks for valuables in the bedroom or the wall safe. All the genetic mutations were in the spike protein DNA, with no random or non/functional mutations in the rest of the genome.
My perspective is that the genome of the virus is the greatest evidence of its engineered nature. The concentration of mutations in the spike protein DNA, and the absence of non-synonymous and synonymous mutations in the other portions of the DNA, are clear evidence of a lab origin.
I did see one well footnoted article saying there was a young female lab worker that went missing from the Wuhan biographical page. There was some speculation that she was patient zero.
I don't know if the vids are still up anywhere, but there is a you tube series about a couple of guys who motorcycled all over China. In 2020, they posted a number of videos that exposed the lab leak, the bat lady and all of it. In March or so of 2020. They spoke of this 'patient zero'.
This is the problem with all of this evidence. Short of proof one way or the other (which is not really possible) there will be a number of plausible theories that account for the available evidence without clearly being preferable to the alternatives. Such is the nature of complex processes. For example (and I havent gone deep on any of this evidence to be clear), the George webb conspiracy about nato intentionally releasing the virus at the Wuhan games can explain the strange cover-up behavior of the Chinese, fauci/daszak, et al, merely on the basis that they do not want to be blamed for it. Their behavior may have been the result of their not knowing where it came from, reacting just-in-case their research did cause it. Many innocent spouses of murder victims arouse the interest of homicide detectives, not because they did it, but merely because of their behavior after the fact.
I just read an article a day or two ago with a little nugget of info about the Wuhan games. Seems that all the westerners remarked that the city was completely empty. everyone already moved along or locked down and never seen on the street.
I recall the beginnings of the China shut down, they were looking at plumbing in old buildings as being the source of the Wu Flu. Remember that?
That was when the "news people" around the world were telling us about the Chinese efforts to culture test, then clean and sterilize everything. It was spreading like fire in December/January
It's more likely the release of the virus was an accident. There are accounts of poor practices at the lab. Bat fluids being spread onto researchers. Workers selling animals from the lab in the meat market etc.
That's not to say deliberate release wasn't considered. But if it was to be released deliberately I think they'd have done a better job at hiding the evidence of a leak - which is considerable.
If you were going to release a bat Corona virus with a spliced spike protein, you'd have done it somewhere other than a city in which that research was publicly known to be taking place.
As for NATO intentionally releasing the virus. That would require that a lab somewhere in a NATO country was doing the very same experiments as the Wuhan lab. And then you'd have had to get the virus to Wuhan, and protect the people carrying and releasing the virus (i.e. with full protective gear) without the Chinese noticing. It's possible but stretching reality somewhat.
we caught a Chinese researcher from one of our academic labs, returning to China with 2 dozen sample vials of deadly pathogens rolled up in his socks. Not sure if the airline was tipped off about searching extra well.
The US had dozens of labs in Ukraine, that were dispatched by Russian forces. Victoria Nuland spoke of them in testimony.
Yes, thank you. At the time, there was the scandal of the researcher in Massachusetts who was collaborating with the Chinese as well as a bunch of high profile expellations of Chinese researchers and students. It was highly sus, but not in the news. You had be reading some pretty obscure websites to get the news.
Yes, but it seems to be increasingly clear that the people with power and these grand plans are not nearly as smart as they think they are, or some of us fear. The 5D chess thing is not happening.
we have reached a point , when discussing 'science', that we have to careful of who is saying what, and who they are associated with, and what their hidden agendas are. The firin cleavage site is a puzzle never solved in the natural world, and they have looked everywhere. There are a large number of doctors who were eminent before the pandemic made them household names among the alternative media, who have been making the same arguments all along. They have been more and more tightly constrained by the 'official sources'. We know that officialdom is lying, therefore the other group is almost assuredly not lying.
I have evolved my thinking a bit in the last several weeks. I always wondered what would have happened had the Chinese not invented the notion of lockdown, of masks, of testing. If you think about it, in Feb of 2020 pretty much all Western institutional thinking was more or less sane, and rational. The Chinese somehow exported their MO to the world, and fast
Yes, we all know about the SARS lockdowns but I find the roots are a little deeper... and originate deep in CCP lore if you will, all the way back to 1958 - the Four Pests Campaign, one of whom was the sparrow
Somehow, a mass psychosis was formed about the poor bird, and a national eradication program was initiated, which resulted in the near extinction of sparrows in China, and ensuing ravenous plagues of locusts (natural prey) which decimated crops and led to mass starvation across the country. Just think about how incredible that is, to mobilize an entire country to murder this bird.
I find the response to Covid to have its origins there - the unique capacity for the CCP, the utter conviction of the power of a centralized response, to bend reality to their will. In some cases, they have been utterly successful - building infrastructure for example. In the case of Covid, not only did they export their insanity to the world, but it is a massive, miserable failure, and one which continues to echo through our societies as we desperately try to shake the vestiges of Corona containment and covidianism.
I think the main impetus for settling on lab leak vs natural evolution is the future of virology labs. These facilities need to have security akin to nuclear weapons sites, and regulated to the nth degree by outside experts. I would literally prefer a nuclear waste burial site in my state vs a BSL3 or 4 lab. They are a threat to civilization as we know it
I have wondered throughout why, in the Wuhan lab origin scenario, it’s almost always assumed to have been an accidental leak. There is at least plausible evidence, as I understand it, for the lab origin theory itself. I haven’t heard much in the way of evidence for an accidental vs deliberate leak.
But as egregious as these examples of domestic profiteering are, they PALE in comparison to the world’s big covid winner — China.
In China, the factories stayed open while the ‘enlightened’ countries of the world took their economies offline. The obvious result of this was wealth flowing into China instead ‘normal’ routes.
At the onset of covid, China had a HUGE Hong Kong problem due to the proposal of an extradition bill between the two governments. Anti-China protests were going strong for months and showed no signs of stopping. But, just like here in the US and in Canada, covid gave the ‘authorities’ the perfect excuse to trample on the rights of citizens and forcefully break up protests.
The Kennedy assassination has been studied more thoroughly than probably any event in history, and conclusions are still controversial. Well executed crimes are about as close to perfect crimes as we get.
When the criminal is in charge of the investigation even a not so perfect crime can seem perfect. There was nothing perfect about the assassination. Or about 9/11. Or about covid. It seems the criminals are getting as far as possible from the perfect crime with each new crime they commit. Like a pathological serial killer that leaves his print all over the place so the world can recognize his genius.
and it seems to be a hallmark of these well planned plots, that there are multiple players, and several theories of the responsible party are floated, to muddy the waters
Well, you've done a good job--at least for this little moment in time, anyway--of slaking my desperate thirst for some honest discourse between gentlemen.
And to think that I discovered you, and him, by accident, really. More proof for my thesis that my entire life has been a series of accidents, most of which worked out as if I'd been a genius at planning.
excellent article and response- thank you! Yes believe all a plandemic. gates even boasted in his ted talk on zero innovation 'thru good vaccines we can reduce population by 10-15%' Fauxchi stated in the milken institute meeting 1yr prior to the release of the CCP virus- saying they needed something to get everyone a universal vaccine? the UN 2030 plan is to have everyone accounted for by 2030- ARE PEOPLE REALLY THIS STUPID TO Continue to put this in themselves and their kids? I'll note, They let the CCP virus loose just as the Chinese New yr started- the largest migration of humans on the planet.! Then it reaches NYC where BOZO Cuomo who murdered 55,000 people in nursing homes REFUSED to close down New Rochelle and NYC so it spread thru out USA. NOW Millions are dying from the mRNA and the poor children will never have babies. it's really the worst crime against humanity ever. it is all about DEPOPULATION.
You might both be right, just interpreting incomplete information a little differently. Every truth is subject to revision or correction from additional information. Some truths are unknowable, and understanding our limitations is more important than assuming absolute certainty about anything.
The important conclusion from this sorry episode is so much information has been purposely withheld that we should be cautious of assuming anything. The source of this virus is considerably less interesting than treating its effects, though discovering why either has been so vigorously suppressed will probably provide important clues for the other.
The origin of the virus is immaterial. The problem of "COVID" was not the virus itself, was the "response to the virus". This is what caused all the problems. Had it been ignored or treated "just like the flu", it would probably had caused less deaths, and certainly less social and economic trauma.
Now, I tend to believe it was an already existing disease, or even several diseases unified by a faulty test -- and that many cases were not really "COVID-19" but just common cold or flu but diagnosed as "corona" by the imperfect test. It was more a media and testing pandemic than anything else. Imagine if we did the same for the flu or the cold, testing billions of "asymptomatic people" and tracking all variants. It would never end.
Also, I think that the original "COVID-19" (first year) and "Omicron" (second year) were likely two different diseases (different symptoms, etc). But I have no proof, just a feeling from descriptions of people who got it.
There are two discourses here: 1) The DRASTIC-adjacent lab origins people, some of whom tend to think SARS-2 is super dangerous and find the whole question of where lockdowns came from and why they were implemented uninteresting. 2) The anti-lockdown crowd, some of whom tend to think the virus and its origins are incidental matters.
I think it's important to keep both problems in mind. We wouldn't have had lockdowns without the virus. Without lockdowns, the virus wouldn't have been a big deal.
They only needed the idea and belief of a super dangerous virus to get the masses to accept the lockdowns. The idea and belief in the threat came from orchestrated harmonized messaging attributing a myriad of symptoms from athletes foot to brain fog to Covid. In other words literally any malady you had could be Covid so get tested to be sure the find out you needed to be locked away. Tested using a lab-research tool designed to find something out of almost nothing - with a purposely vague target to create as many false positives as possible. By the way we didn't just accept lockdowns, they threatened us under law enforcement to stay home. Many people knew intuitively that this was non-sense but it wasn't as clear as it became indefinite.
I'm partial to Ron Unz's hypothesis that while the virus was created in the lab, it was done with US regime involvement (including through its various agents and oblique arms), and was purposely released in China as a bioweapon attack to harm that nation.
Eugyppius, please look into the statistical evidence in the SARS Cov2 genome itself. The occurrence of synonymous and non-synonymous mutations, and where they are concentrated over the length of the genome, point quite strongly to a lab origin of the virus.
Disagree in part. Some nefarious parts of US power structure complicit for sure. This is an attack on the west by the Chinese taking advantage of the WEF great reset agenda and their planted acolytes who are foolish enough to believe that man has any power over the climate.
why can't it be both? It is an attack by the Chinese, but also by other actors, including inside our own government and research entities. Many of whom can be persuaded by extra cash. Also buys a lot of loyalty towards the heads of units dishing out the funds for the last 40 years.
Any objective analysis has to conclude that the US Uniparty control mechanism was either complicit or deftly seized upon the opportunity created by Covid. My gut tells me its the former.
My first reaction to shutting down the US was to research if there was a Fauci, Gates, Hillary connection? Turns out Birx was a bonus.
As always, intelligent and fun to read, the product of a very balanced mind, one always asking, "Hmm, what if I am wrong?" or "What would it take to prove me wrong?"
There is really no question that it originated in the Wuhan lab, Eugyppius, as I wrote in the New York Post in February 2020.. The evidence is summarized in my book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Pandemics." I will be glad to send you a copy.
The second major outbreak was in Iran, a country largely closed to the rest of the world. And that outbreak disproportionately affected its ruling classes - something that has happened in no other country. Are there any dots to connect between Iran and China?
Cui bono?
IMHO the genetic sequence was made in a Lab but WHICH Lab and how it was released are still unknown and there ARE possibilities other than WIV. It seems to me that those behind the "Covid" exercise had been planning for a long time - starting with "Dark WInter" in 2001 and culminating in "Event 201" in late 2019. And if you have planned an operation for so long and are ready to implement, you don't just sit around waiting for the unlikely possibility of an accidental leak from a BSL-4 facility?
There is absolutely no evidence to support any of Senger's malicious fantasies. The fact that he completely ignores the overwhelming evidence that this whole theater was planned in great detail in the West outs him as their mouthpiece. Instead, he repeats standard Western anti-Chinese propaganda and somehow expects his readers to believe that China secretly pulls the strings in the West. Well if so, then why isn't China able to put a stop to the relentless tide of lies about China told in the Western (and especially German) media and social media?
Having read Viral quite a while ago, I tend to agree with this. While Chan and Ridley conclude that one must still keep an open mind, they do a compelling job of assembling the evidence that all points in one direction -- to a lab leak. I won't recite that here. I'd encourage everyone to read/listen to it. It is highly accessible, which is no small task. Instead, I'll just add that the book leaves the reader with a clear understanding that Occam's Razor points to only one origin story. Occam's Razor isn't always an accurate predictor, but it is the way the smart money bets. Here, the odds are heavily stacked in favor of the simplest explanation, which is lab leak.
I find your approach and methodology commendable. It has been my experience that the most successful liars always weave as much of the truth as possible into their fabrications, to make them seem as credible as possible, and less vulnerable to scrutiny. It takes sharp eyes and a mind that's free of any confirmation bias or other misconceptions to expose the truth.
" It is called Adversus Eugippium (Against Eugippius) and it says that he was fat and short and ugly and a terrible driver who rarely showered and also that he preached strange heretical doctrines about the Trinity. "
I learn more on Substack than I ever learned in school about critical thinking and propaganda.
School teaches compliance and conformity. That’s it. If we want to improve our minds, we must self-educate.
I don't consume anything else anymore. I'd rather save the time and get honest debates in good faith
AMEN! ME TO....sometimes I wonder if this is negative reinforcement or too much negativaty...but I think this is a healthy way to test the truth, vent and hear the mental state of others. I thank God for this substack.
Is there a school that really teaches those topics?
I was just thinking the same thing while reading this piece. 💡
Same, just thinking how awesome it is
One could draw parallels to the normalization of homosexuality in our society. Little bit by little bit. Now we have boys becoming girls and pedophiles rebranded as minor attracted person's.
I bought into the lie! All my family spoke this BS into me at age 12 and cursed me with words, rather than blessing me with honor about my many God given gifts. Homosexuality is idolatry! It's men trying to usurp masculinity and missing identity from others (notice how externally focused and superficial they are about status,clothing,home decor etc...). When you look at porn...you're trying to connect with your missing self--the childhood trauma that caused your loss of identity. You think an image of another person is going to fill the void in yourself that your shitty parenting caused a void. It's really the God void. The intimacy with yourself and the GRACE toward yourself that we all hope to find. It is there...keep inviting God into those dark places that shame kept you distant from.
I don't know if homosexuality is something they are born with or if it is something they learn later in life . It is not natural that two persons of the same sex want to be married .Is there homosexuality in animals as in humans ? Would two milk cows get interested in each other ?
I really don't care if it is a defect they were born with, or a defect they learn, but it is a defect.
All the men in my family have a proclivity to have fits of rage and smash things. Is that hereditary or learned behavior? Maybe a bit of both. In either case none of us have fits of rage and smash things out and about in society. Certainly nobody has ever celebrated us for coming out as angry smasher assholes. No parades either.
I could suspect that at least 5-10% of men in our society have this particular defect. Some of them do it while out and about in society but most excercise it in private because it is not really something to display or be proud of.
But... perhaps it is a thing that shouldn't be kept in the closet. Perhaps we shouldn't be ashamed of it. Perhaps society should embrace it and accept it. What's the big deal? It's just guys getting a little angry and smashing their own things. Doesn't affect you. Don't judge. What we do with our own private things is our business. We were born this way! GOD made us this way! Who would choose this? We just want to get mad and smash and be happy! Just accept it you bigot! ALL WE WANT IS ACCEPTANCE!
You still with me? Good. Now that we've been accepted by society we will be content to smash our own things in public. But hold on. Those things we smash cost us money. We were born with this orientation towards smashing things and can't help how we feel. Who would choose to get angry and smash? Anyway, we think our homeowners insurance should cover the cost of smashed items. Sure, it will drive everybody's rates up but can you really put a price on us smashers being our own true selves? You would only object if you're a bigot.
Now, with that settled, let's have a big smasher parade in front of you and your children. Speaking of children, let's talk about education. Your children should be taught that rage smashing is normal and should be celebrated. Heck, your kids might be smashers themselves and should be encouraged to explore the endless possibilities of whatever they might be. Could be they are bed shitters, cold-post lickers, eyeballers, butt-chuggers, close talkers, cow tippers, turtle flippers, electric fence pee-ers, etc.... The important thing is all of this is normal behavior that healthy societies engage in and only bigots don't want these behaviors everywhere.
If your child feels slightly inclined towards the rage smasher lifestyle maybe we should start injecting them with testosterone to help fuel their rage. Don't worry, we won't inform you it's happening or trouble you with any details. Cool with that, or are you a bigot?
Cool cool. Last thing: A lot of us in the rage smasher community have decided to identify your things as our things.
I'm so glad we live in such a tolerant society! Aren't you?
great analogy! all about self responsibility and dropping the victim identity. Continue to Blame others and you'll be perpetually wounded and limping along in life. The 'way' is all in Jesus message, humility.
it's trying to find your lost self. The reason the bible says it's an abomination is not to make it abhorent and horrible (which wrongly makes it worse), it's that God says it is not going to fix the problem...yes, you have the desire to connect physically/sexually...but it is misguided and won't work. that is why in homosexuality and drunken-ness and wantoness, jealousy, adultery, wanting what others have, hatred, unforgiveness etc.... will block you from entering the kingdom of heaven. They are all directed by YOU trying to get your needs met....Not believing God telling you that HE is your SOURCE and will fill your void if you obey--pay attention and seek HIM. Seek you first the kingdom of God and THEN you will get your needs met, get wisdom Get yourself still and in peace and listening, OPEN state...like a dog in obedience school...God wants your attention...forget about the squirel that just ran by. ...THEN YOU CAN BEGIN TO HEAR THE TRUTH. Humility is when you become TEACHABLEf! When you 'know it all' you are filled with arrogance and BS and you'll fall for all of satans lies...ergo...get something like a vaxx promoted by narcissists only looking out for themselves....not for your best interest. GOD HAS YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART...BUT YOU CANNOT KNOW THIS WITHOUT STUDYING THE BIBLE...it's the beginning of understanding and wisdom...then when he gets your brain calmed down with his truth...then you begin to open up to your spririt being.
Yes, 10% of higher order animals are homosexual. Even chimpanzees' fuck the same sex for affection and dominance.
Joe - think about this as a thought experiment:
Is it revolting for you to think about putting your cock in a hair dirty asshole of another man?
I think that answers your question. Who the hell would do that if that's not their proclivity?
On the flips-side; do I think some homosexuality is influenced by the decadence and debauchery of the times we live in? The answer is a resounding YES!
Heifers humpalot, and yes, many animals enjoy same sex relations..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
that's a dominance action, dogs...cows etc. humping--not sexual.. not homosexuality. same sex attraction is a missing parenting from both mother and father. It all gets fucked up if children are neglected and abused. If your gay family are honest...most were molested or groomed by ppl near them...uncles(in my case) or teachers or bad characters etc... NEVER buy into the homo and tell them that they are normal to feel that way... It is a lie. I know and lived it. The women who say "oh, he was born that way" and buy into the lie are narcissists and have an agenda (though they are far from realizing that they are deceived). How on earth can a woman relate to this? It's called enabling and it is codependency! They are perpetuating a lie in the child/homo adult....encouraging a lie b/c they themselves do not have a strong identity of their own. Keep everyone weak and deceived and wounded and a victim and you've just ruined their lives further. NEVER take advice from a narcissist. PPL who hate themselves do not help others to find their true selves...they continue the generational BS.
Yep, my mom's brother came out as gay and threw his soon to be x wife under the bus. Didn't outright blame her but insinuated she caused it. Then it changed to him being born that way. Trouble is my mom remembers him coming back from his first year of Catholic boarding school a completely different person. Their dad died when they were kids too. Weird.
That's pretty broad. It's lumping parenting behavior in with homosexual behavior. Many species share parenting roles. Doesn't mean they are gay. Bonobo males grooming each other could be observed as homosexual behavior but so could human males visiting the barber shop if your criteria isn't narrow enough.
Rams in captivity? Not really a natural world observation scenario there.
Even if it is observed in nature one would have to capture said animals and eliminate genetic or developmental defects to be able to declare homosexuality as a naturally occuring behavior.
There are examples in nature. Swans, for instance; there was a well-known pair of female swans in Jackson Hole that nested together and acted in every way as a lifelong couple. Except for the reproduction part.
A couple of defective dike swans only prove that homosexuality is a defect. Unless they were disected and any possible genetic or developmental abnormality was ruled out one must be assumed.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with gay swans unless they throw themselves a parade or try to groom little cygnets.
I only pointed out that there are indeed examples in nature. "Defect" is a value judgment and subjective, unless you mean something specific like a genetic abnormality which could be considered a defect. It could be certainly considered a defect in the survival-of-the-species sort of sense. I don't see that as a big problem in Homo sapiens.
That is a poor analogy.
I mean, homosexuality was illegal in most Western countries, but millions of people were driven underground to practice it in unsanitary and sordid settings: public toilets and institutions, despite the huge personal risks and stigma.
agreed. not being an edgelord. but i have 3 members in my family who are gay. it's been tough on them.
I don't necessarily think homosexuality should be illegal. It should be if people can't keep it to themselves and it causes society to spiral out of control like we are seeing right now in the west. I don't think homosexuals should be a protected class. You want to be gay? Be gay. If somebody wants to discriminate against you for it that's your problem.
Don't forget FURY FANDOM
I am a fan of Nick Fury, but only from the 60's Jack Kirby run of comics
same. do you know what fury fandom is?
if not, look it up. it's evil in a sheep's clothing
Oh, were you talking about the "furries"? I understand now. I just tend to think of them the way I would a lot of neolithic barbarian peoples of past fallen ages, fetishizing animals. The only difference now is that they are domesticated (as opposed to running at me with battle axes and stone hammers in their wolf pelts)
Looked it up. All I got was one reference to a 2014 war movie, and several million hits about bestiality fetishists.
If you say climate change is man made ,you discriminate against women .
This is a quite exceptional comment. Thank you. "The Manchurian Candidate," beautifully explicated.
Sincere thx for posting.
Mind blowing right?!
Been fascinated by this stuff since college 30 years ago.
You know what sucks about all this? It's that I'm fascinated and terrified of it at the same time. And those "awake" have had a front row viewing
Incredible book. I need to re-read. Frightening
Very interesting and thanks for the link!
Wow
I think it's pretty clear this is all planned. This Corona was created to further destroy capitalism and the West. While enslaving and killing us. I don't give a rats ass if it came out of Wuhan or Gates ass, but they are the creators of it all. AND they will create the next one they keep talking about. All of a sudden our reality is pandemics? Are people really this stupid and have ZERO MEMORIES?
It's like I say when discussing 9/11 whether it really happened the way "they" said, or whether it was a planned nightmare. "It doesn't matter "how" it happened, what matters is that the event was used to quite literally erode massive amounts of liberty in America and around the world.". Sometimes it's worth looking at the outcome of a situation rather than focussing on the "how" it happened.
Exactly! I love the dolts who ask, "Where did the planes go" after you show them there is no plane at Shanksville, no plane at the Pentagon, and that steel reinforced buildings don't' eat airplanes that fly through the air. That they are not made of anything that can go through a cement and steel building and disappear BUT BUT, where did the planes go? OH STFU YOU MORON> That's what I'd like to say to them.
But but, we're able to find terrorist's passport, thank goodness
or we wouldn't know who's responsible! LOL
Truly unbelievable
absolutely....GW Bush was the most dishonest, he was compliant in the whole episode. All while acting and saying what a christian background he comes from. He is still showing his "fruit" in his anti-trump rhetoric and pro obama BS. All I hope for is Karma
Absolutely. It wouldn't surprise me if he was involved with JFKs murder either. Oswald my ass
Yes, reading this Eugyppius article I was thinking of 9/11 and how the fallout from that — the lockdown of all airports, the Patriot Act, other loss of freedoms. — caused a lot more damage than the actual planes. It was probably a helpful example to whoever engineered this current mess.
911 was all planned. We could not have gotten here without it. They needed a total surveillance state so they could control and launder money. 911 was the beginning of the last act. The acts last about 30 years. We are very close.
I’m hanging on to my Ivermectin!
Good idea, as will I, but Joe Biden's "second Pandemic" may not respond to the Ivermectin or other non-vaxx treatments. It may not be respiratory or even viral. Who knows what these criminals will come up with next.
Clearly. But better to have it. Clearly
Be thankful that so far the pandemics came in waves . Next time Biden may send a tidal wave .
Be thankful? Yeah, no thanks. If this country was filled with people like.me, trust me, there would be no pandemic and no socialist commies
a revolution only requires a fully committed 2%
We have that
Lots of truth to that.
What do you think happens if we experience a 3 month wave something akin to delta?
I don't like our chances right now.
Hope we ready for the fall.
So obvious right?!
Better resist folks!
Remember, you can now get ivermectin over the counter in Tennessee. A real dangerous drug, that...
sold over the counter in many countries
No way to get it in Oz. The whole narrative globally = circus
No offence to great entertainers of the real thing.
Plandemic of manipulation, it hardly holds itself together.
I'll send you some. I'll give you my email if you want. Let me know.
Sure, that would be sweet
Besides the Ivermectin you should also keep a German Snaps bottle under your pillow .
I don't have room under my pillow for a bottle of schnapps AND a semi-auto .45. Hmm. Which one...which one.
I have 150 doses.
Please let me know where you live in case I run out .
Southern California. Holding it down!!! There are many mnay many of us. Don't believe the news OR the elections.
Yes they are this stupid and have absolutely zero memory. I went through this memory checking already with multiple events in the past 20 years and people just repeat what they hear.
Its depressing.
Hopefully the last two years and the next two years of Clowns Incorporated will provide opportunities to remind them of how some of the losses of our liberties were due to things like the Patriot Act, etc., etc.
To make the connection that the current state of affairs was a series of mistakes of overreacting/panicking and ignorance by the bureaucrats, politicians and the public themselves.
Look at as an opportunity. I've converted a few of my friends using this technique
I think our jobs getting easier.
I'll use an old quote of Reagans that might help.
"Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours"
Whether they lose their job or not we have carnage ahead that even the least informed and/or the most recalcitrant can't ignore
There's hope
People that I previously thought were smart are responding in such a stupid way to all of this that I have wondered if there is some kind of mkultra mind control techniques being used on them via TV and social media. Thankfully some of us appear to be immune to the mind control. My parents were in a cult when I was growing up, so I have some natural immunity to brainwashing
They are. Trust me. I've spent two years, in the "field" being a change agent.
The sheople will do it all over again. This deal is not closed.
We came within a hairs breadth of a 1930's murder-mix re-run.
It's not over. But you know that!
Whose they are? What's a field agent and what did you do?
What will the sheeple do over again? What deal?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
The sheople. Will have no problem doing the last two years over again.
Which is more dangerous than the first time
Not to be a dick, but what don't you understand about that?
And what don't you understand about being out in public everyday (often at significant cost), with my name behind my convictions, in order to do whatever I can from allowing this abomination to ever happen again to the little ones?
Is thar clear or do you want a long list of my actions over the last two years.
We're in the same team RLM
I don't think so. Many will NOT be OK doing this and I live in Southern Cal.
It is if everyone complies, we must NOT COMPLIY!
We share a brain, they are jabbing babies with poison. This is no good. War and Revolt likely won't work. SO WHAT? Just pray, hope, and beg?
OH!?? I didn't mean to sound like we weren't? I am blunt but I don't mean anything by it.
We are MOST CERTAINLY on the same team!
Oh I got it. You and I have exchanged enough chats to understand you were replying in good faith. Thats why I put the disclaimer about being a dick. It does concern me a bit that you didn't understand my initial post. That may be my fault. You know how it is. Tough to communicate precisely on these boards
I'd be a little bit more cautious with your conclusion. They're both opinions but would you accept episodic mandates on planes?, etc., etc
Which conclusion, I come to a lot of them.
It seems in the last 2 years yrusses come as thick as hail . Ah I have to go and clean my wind shield ,with virus cleanser .
"I don't give a rats ass if it came out of Wuhan or Gates ass, but they are the creators of it all"
Very well said.
they've taken over 30% ish of the minds of the masses! all thru fear and manipulation...just like satan in the garden. get ppl afraid of missing out on somehting and you've got them trapped. This is why they keep changing the narrative...it keeps the vulnerable grabbing and scrambling to keep up with MSM and the BS dribble.
It's called capitalism. But it's not. They are close. People at the top in both scenarios become greedy. In socialism those at the top have unbridled power and no check in balance.
They are being manipulated, threatened, killed, and paid off. That's why. It's not a matter of them thinking at all. This is tyranny at the highest levels with the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world, NOT ON THE FORBES RICHEST LIST. That list is for nickeL baggers that report to the people who control it all and allow these Forbes list people to exist, as long as they tow the line. Got it?
Bezos the nickel bagger🤣. You’re right though!
The Chinese are front and center! Biden is owned by them. They have been taking us over for 50 years plus, WITHOUT ONE BULLET!
Not one bullet. Astonishing
Of course. AND Biden likes children, he's a sicko.
Evidence of Fauci and Collins making efforts to squash lab leak, or the insanity of putting Daszak in charge of the investigation makes the truth as obvious as Pfizer and the FDA trying to hide their data for 75 years.
ok, but just to be annoying devil‘s advocate: if we find proof tomorrow of natural origins, all these things can still be true, and acquire rather different significance.
Most of the following is from memory, but I did check sources when I first read the information.
The initial response of at least one group of NIH supported researchers was that the virus appeared to be engineered. This was released in NIH emails from early 2020 requested under a FOIA request. A few days later those same researchers were part of the larger group that denied the engineered theory.
The US NIH manages $40 billion a year for global research funding, including to all the scientists in the NIH emails and the Wuhan lab. If you're doing non-commercial medical research more than likely you're at least in part funded by Dr Fauci or the Wellcome Trust. The US NIH therefore has considerable control over global research, and it appears, over the opinions of fund recipients. The 50 scientists who claimed "natural origins" in early 2020 are all recipients of Fauci's patronage.
In 2014 Obama banned Gain of Function research on viruses. The US NIH quietly transferred funding to Wuhan, and research on humanized mice used to test viruses was also transferred to Wuhan. Gain of Function research continued in the Wuhan military controlled lab, and NIH was thanked explicitly by the "bat lady" of Wuhan. Daszak's organization (which, sadly for me, is the wildlife conservation trust founded by Gerald Durrell but renamed) was used as a proxy to transfer the funding.
The fact Daszak boasted in 2016 (or was it 2017) that his colleagues in China (i.e. Wuhan) had spliced a spike protein onto a bat Corona virus is also suggestive.
There is also the report from a Chinese university that was all over the internet in late 2019 suggesting research practices at Wuhan were unprofessional, and that one researcher had been covered in various fluids of bat origin. Also that lower paid staff would take animals from the lab and sell them in the local wild meat market. And the account that certain staff members from the Wuhan lab were suddenly removed from the web page of the lab in the fall of 2019.
The previous paragraph I can't authenticate. The report from the university in China was quickly removed.
And the fact the disease began (or at least is reported to have begun) in Wuhan is also suggestive - given the presence of the lab, and the suggestion the bats from which the closest viral relative originated are found 800 km from Wuhan. (Workers in a cave in that region became sick and so bats were collected and shipped to Wuhan for research).
I suppose it's possible Covid-19 had a natural origin. The problem is all the circumstantial evidence points to a lab-leak. I imagine you'd be hard pressed to make a criminal case for a lab-leak and win, but based on the volume of evidence you might win a civil case.
Anyone who rejects the lab-leak theory generally has Chinese interests in my experience. Or receives funding from US NIH or the Wellcome Trust.
It’s the difference between a house that is torn apart by a wind storm, a dog, or a burglar. The wind storm catches everything indiscriminately. The house torn apart by the dog has a giant mess in the pantry. And the burger ignores the kitchen and looks for valuables in the bedroom or the wall safe. All the genetic mutations were in the spike protein DNA, with no random or non/functional mutations in the rest of the genome.
My perspective is that the genome of the virus is the greatest evidence of its engineered nature. The concentration of mutations in the spike protein DNA, and the absence of non-synonymous and synonymous mutations in the other portions of the DNA, are clear evidence of a lab origin.
I did see one well footnoted article saying there was a young female lab worker that went missing from the Wuhan biographical page. There was some speculation that she was patient zero.
I don't know if the vids are still up anywhere, but there is a you tube series about a couple of guys who motorcycled all over China. In 2020, they posted a number of videos that exposed the lab leak, the bat lady and all of it. In March or so of 2020. They spoke of this 'patient zero'.
This is the problem with all of this evidence. Short of proof one way or the other (which is not really possible) there will be a number of plausible theories that account for the available evidence without clearly being preferable to the alternatives. Such is the nature of complex processes. For example (and I havent gone deep on any of this evidence to be clear), the George webb conspiracy about nato intentionally releasing the virus at the Wuhan games can explain the strange cover-up behavior of the Chinese, fauci/daszak, et al, merely on the basis that they do not want to be blamed for it. Their behavior may have been the result of their not knowing where it came from, reacting just-in-case their research did cause it. Many innocent spouses of murder victims arouse the interest of homicide detectives, not because they did it, but merely because of their behavior after the fact.
I just read an article a day or two ago with a little nugget of info about the Wuhan games. Seems that all the westerners remarked that the city was completely empty. everyone already moved along or locked down and never seen on the street.
I recall the beginnings of the China shut down, they were looking at plumbing in old buildings as being the source of the Wu Flu. Remember that?
That was when the "news people" around the world were telling us about the Chinese efforts to culture test, then clean and sterilize everything. It was spreading like fire in December/January
Sort of Fauci igniting his duty to his "friends"
I don't remember that for covid, but that is what they claimed about the original SARS 18 years ago
It's more likely the release of the virus was an accident. There are accounts of poor practices at the lab. Bat fluids being spread onto researchers. Workers selling animals from the lab in the meat market etc.
That's not to say deliberate release wasn't considered. But if it was to be released deliberately I think they'd have done a better job at hiding the evidence of a leak - which is considerable.
If you were going to release a bat Corona virus with a spliced spike protein, you'd have done it somewhere other than a city in which that research was publicly known to be taking place.
As for NATO intentionally releasing the virus. That would require that a lab somewhere in a NATO country was doing the very same experiments as the Wuhan lab. And then you'd have had to get the virus to Wuhan, and protect the people carrying and releasing the virus (i.e. with full protective gear) without the Chinese noticing. It's possible but stretching reality somewhat.
we caught a Chinese researcher from one of our academic labs, returning to China with 2 dozen sample vials of deadly pathogens rolled up in his socks. Not sure if the airline was tipped off about searching extra well.
The US had dozens of labs in Ukraine, that were dispatched by Russian forces. Victoria Nuland spoke of them in testimony.
Yes, thank you. At the time, there was the scandal of the researcher in Massachusetts who was collaborating with the Chinese as well as a bunch of high profile expellations of Chinese researchers and students. It was highly sus, but not in the news. You had be reading some pretty obscure websites to get the news.
Damn. Good point
There is proof. It was documented at the time. One has to dig in obscure threads from the time to find the dox.
Yes, but it seems to be increasingly clear that the people with power and these grand plans are not nearly as smart as they think they are, or some of us fear. The 5D chess thing is not happening.
we have reached a point , when discussing 'science', that we have to careful of who is saying what, and who they are associated with, and what their hidden agendas are. The firin cleavage site is a puzzle never solved in the natural world, and they have looked everywhere. There are a large number of doctors who were eminent before the pandemic made them household names among the alternative media, who have been making the same arguments all along. They have been more and more tightly constrained by the 'official sources'. We know that officialdom is lying, therefore the other group is almost assuredly not lying.
We'll all be the next inhabitants of this planets fossil fuels before we find zoonotic origin evidence.
I have evolved my thinking a bit in the last several weeks. I always wondered what would have happened had the Chinese not invented the notion of lockdown, of masks, of testing. If you think about it, in Feb of 2020 pretty much all Western institutional thinking was more or less sane, and rational. The Chinese somehow exported their MO to the world, and fast
Yes, we all know about the SARS lockdowns but I find the roots are a little deeper... and originate deep in CCP lore if you will, all the way back to 1958 - the Four Pests Campaign, one of whom was the sparrow
Somehow, a mass psychosis was formed about the poor bird, and a national eradication program was initiated, which resulted in the near extinction of sparrows in China, and ensuing ravenous plagues of locusts (natural prey) which decimated crops and led to mass starvation across the country. Just think about how incredible that is, to mobilize an entire country to murder this bird.
I find the response to Covid to have its origins there - the unique capacity for the CCP, the utter conviction of the power of a centralized response, to bend reality to their will. In some cases, they have been utterly successful - building infrastructure for example. In the case of Covid, not only did they export their insanity to the world, but it is a massive, miserable failure, and one which continues to echo through our societies as we desperately try to shake the vestiges of Corona containment and covidianism.
I think the main impetus for settling on lab leak vs natural evolution is the future of virology labs. These facilities need to have security akin to nuclear weapons sites, and regulated to the nth degree by outside experts. I would literally prefer a nuclear waste burial site in my state vs a BSL3 or 4 lab. They are a threat to civilization as we know it
I have wondered throughout why, in the Wuhan lab origin scenario, it’s almost always assumed to have been an accidental leak. There is at least plausible evidence, as I understand it, for the lab origin theory itself. I haven’t heard much in the way of evidence for an accidental vs deliberate leak.
Exactly. Everything worked out pretty well for China.........
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-covid-years-werent-terrible-for
But as egregious as these examples of domestic profiteering are, they PALE in comparison to the world’s big covid winner — China.
In China, the factories stayed open while the ‘enlightened’ countries of the world took their economies offline. The obvious result of this was wealth flowing into China instead ‘normal’ routes.
At the onset of covid, China had a HUGE Hong Kong problem due to the proposal of an extradition bill between the two governments. Anti-China protests were going strong for months and showed no signs of stopping. But, just like here in the US and in Canada, covid gave the ‘authorities’ the perfect excuse to trample on the rights of citizens and forcefully break up protests.
The Kennedy assassination has been studied more thoroughly than probably any event in history, and conclusions are still controversial. Well executed crimes are about as close to perfect crimes as we get.
have you read Dr Mary's Monkey?
Looks interesting. It's on my list. Thanks.
When the criminal is in charge of the investigation even a not so perfect crime can seem perfect. There was nothing perfect about the assassination. Or about 9/11. Or about covid. It seems the criminals are getting as far as possible from the perfect crime with each new crime they commit. Like a pathological serial killer that leaves his print all over the place so the world can recognize his genius.
and it seems to be a hallmark of these well planned plots, that there are multiple players, and several theories of the responsible party are floated, to muddy the waters
Well, you've done a good job--at least for this little moment in time, anyway--of slaking my desperate thirst for some honest discourse between gentlemen.
And to think that I discovered you, and him, by accident, really. More proof for my thesis that my entire life has been a series of accidents, most of which worked out as if I'd been a genius at planning.
Arnold Palmer was accused of being lucky to win a golf match. He said the more he practices, the luckier he gets. Same applies for life.
excellent article and response- thank you! Yes believe all a plandemic. gates even boasted in his ted talk on zero innovation 'thru good vaccines we can reduce population by 10-15%' Fauxchi stated in the milken institute meeting 1yr prior to the release of the CCP virus- saying they needed something to get everyone a universal vaccine? the UN 2030 plan is to have everyone accounted for by 2030- ARE PEOPLE REALLY THIS STUPID TO Continue to put this in themselves and their kids? I'll note, They let the CCP virus loose just as the Chinese New yr started- the largest migration of humans on the planet.! Then it reaches NYC where BOZO Cuomo who murdered 55,000 people in nursing homes REFUSED to close down New Rochelle and NYC so it spread thru out USA. NOW Millions are dying from the mRNA and the poor children will never have babies. it's really the worst crime against humanity ever. it is all about DEPOPULATION.
You might both be right, just interpreting incomplete information a little differently. Every truth is subject to revision or correction from additional information. Some truths are unknowable, and understanding our limitations is more important than assuming absolute certainty about anything.
The important conclusion from this sorry episode is so much information has been purposely withheld that we should be cautious of assuming anything. The source of this virus is considerably less interesting than treating its effects, though discovering why either has been so vigorously suppressed will probably provide important clues for the other.
The origin of the virus is immaterial. The problem of "COVID" was not the virus itself, was the "response to the virus". This is what caused all the problems. Had it been ignored or treated "just like the flu", it would probably had caused less deaths, and certainly less social and economic trauma.
Now, I tend to believe it was an already existing disease, or even several diseases unified by a faulty test -- and that many cases were not really "COVID-19" but just common cold or flu but diagnosed as "corona" by the imperfect test. It was more a media and testing pandemic than anything else. Imagine if we did the same for the flu or the cold, testing billions of "asymptomatic people" and tracking all variants. It would never end.
Also, I think that the original "COVID-19" (first year) and "Omicron" (second year) were likely two different diseases (different symptoms, etc). But I have no proof, just a feeling from descriptions of people who got it.
There are two discourses here: 1) The DRASTIC-adjacent lab origins people, some of whom tend to think SARS-2 is super dangerous and find the whole question of where lockdowns came from and why they were implemented uninteresting. 2) The anti-lockdown crowd, some of whom tend to think the virus and its origins are incidental matters.
I think it's important to keep both problems in mind. We wouldn't have had lockdowns without the virus. Without lockdowns, the virus wouldn't have been a big deal.
They only needed the idea and belief of a super dangerous virus to get the masses to accept the lockdowns. The idea and belief in the threat came from orchestrated harmonized messaging attributing a myriad of symptoms from athletes foot to brain fog to Covid. In other words literally any malady you had could be Covid so get tested to be sure the find out you needed to be locked away. Tested using a lab-research tool designed to find something out of almost nothing - with a purposely vague target to create as many false positives as possible. By the way we didn't just accept lockdowns, they threatened us under law enforcement to stay home. Many people knew intuitively that this was non-sense but it wasn't as clear as it became indefinite.
'if we did the same for the flu or the cold, testing billions of "asymptomatic people" and tracking all variants. It would never end.'
Yes! But when I try to point this out to people, they just don't get it.
I'm partial to Ron Unz's hypothesis that while the virus was created in the lab, it was done with US regime involvement (including through its various agents and oblique arms), and was purposely released in China as a bioweapon attack to harm that nation.
See here: https://www.unz.com/runz/an-independent-inquiry-into-the-american-origins-of-covid/
It backfired, unexpectedly, and then the Western regimes seized upon a crime of opportunity to deploy their long-in-development total control agendas.
I‘ll also review Unz‘s theory, i think he makes at least a few good points
Eugyppius, please look into the statistical evidence in the SARS Cov2 genome itself. The occurrence of synonymous and non-synonymous mutations, and where they are concentrated over the length of the genome, point quite strongly to a lab origin of the virus.
i agree.
Disagree in part. Some nefarious parts of US power structure complicit for sure. This is an attack on the west by the Chinese taking advantage of the WEF great reset agenda and their planted acolytes who are foolish enough to believe that man has any power over the climate.
why can't it be both? It is an attack by the Chinese, but also by other actors, including inside our own government and research entities. Many of whom can be persuaded by extra cash. Also buys a lot of loyalty towards the heads of units dishing out the funds for the last 40 years.
I assert that is what I stated.
Any objective analysis has to conclude that the US Uniparty control mechanism was either complicit or deftly seized upon the opportunity created by Covid. My gut tells me its the former.
My first reaction to shutting down the US was to research if there was a Fauci, Gates, Hillary connection? Turns out Birx was a bonus.
As always, intelligent and fun to read, the product of a very balanced mind, one always asking, "Hmm, what if I am wrong?" or "What would it take to prove me wrong?"
There is really no question that it originated in the Wuhan lab, Eugyppius, as I wrote in the New York Post in February 2020.. The evidence is summarized in my book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Pandemics." I will be glad to send you a copy.
The second major outbreak was in Iran, a country largely closed to the rest of the world. And that outbreak disproportionately affected its ruling classes - something that has happened in no other country. Are there any dots to connect between Iran and China?
Cui bono?
IMHO the genetic sequence was made in a Lab but WHICH Lab and how it was released are still unknown and there ARE possibilities other than WIV. It seems to me that those behind the "Covid" exercise had been planning for a long time - starting with "Dark WInter" in 2001 and culminating in "Event 201" in late 2019. And if you have planned an operation for so long and are ready to implement, you don't just sit around waiting for the unlikely possibility of an accidental leak from a BSL-4 facility?
There is absolutely no evidence to support any of Senger's malicious fantasies. The fact that he completely ignores the overwhelming evidence that this whole theater was planned in great detail in the West outs him as their mouthpiece. Instead, he repeats standard Western anti-Chinese propaganda and somehow expects his readers to believe that China secretly pulls the strings in the West. Well if so, then why isn't China able to put a stop to the relentless tide of lies about China told in the Western (and especially German) media and social media?
Having read Viral quite a while ago, I tend to agree with this. While Chan and Ridley conclude that one must still keep an open mind, they do a compelling job of assembling the evidence that all points in one direction -- to a lab leak. I won't recite that here. I'd encourage everyone to read/listen to it. It is highly accessible, which is no small task. Instead, I'll just add that the book leaves the reader with a clear understanding that Occam's Razor points to only one origin story. Occam's Razor isn't always an accurate predictor, but it is the way the smart money bets. Here, the odds are heavily stacked in favor of the simplest explanation, which is lab leak.
I would say lab origin. Leak vs. release is a helluva lot harder to parse out.
I find your approach and methodology commendable. It has been my experience that the most successful liars always weave as much of the truth as possible into their fabrications, to make them seem as credible as possible, and less vulnerable to scrutiny. It takes sharp eyes and a mind that's free of any confirmation bias or other misconceptions to expose the truth.
" It is called Adversus Eugippium (Against Eugippius) and it says that he was fat and short and ugly and a terrible driver who rarely showered and also that he preached strange heretical doctrines about the Trinity. "
I see; so he is different in name ONLY :-)!