I agree with your assessment that the efficacy of the vaccines is fading. The problem with these analysis is that they compare 2 groups (vaxxed and unvaxxed) when there really should be 4 (vaxxed without prior infection, vaxxed with prior infection, unvaxxed without prior infection and unvaxxed with prior infection). I hypothesize the unvaccinated group of people have a much higher frequency of prior infection. I'd like to think most people aren't dumb enough to get the vaccine after an infection.....
people with documented infections are asked to get a single dose of vaccine, and you can use the „only one dose“ category to quasi-track this cohort in these reports. they have substantially lower rates of infection
The problem is few people know they were infected. Most of us get mild symptoms and don't consider it might have been the horribly deadly covid plague. In my case I had mild symptoms after a vigorous cross country trip, chalked it off as jet lag and fatigue. Found out I have antibodies serendipitously a few months later when I got tested for surgery clearance, before I had planned to get the Johnson vax. A rational world would be encouraging antibody testing to determine who needs to consider vaccination. We seem to be severely irrational.
Are there such things as germs? If you go back to 1919 reports on the Spanish Flu germ (it was a germ) you'll find some damned big claims for it, like it can travel on the wind from Hungary to Spain. Or from Asia, because of course some said that it came from there.
They are dumb enough. They are the type to have previously demonstrated infection, both IgM and IgG antibodies in sera to covid19. Then get jabbed three times. Finally, even after all of that, they will still strap a N95 mask with a surgical masking covering it to their faces.
Funny! When you said "st. Anthony candles" the first thing that came to my mind was "what did the lose? Their sanity?" (St. Anthony is the patron saint of lost items) But now I understand that you meant St. Anthony Fauci, blessed be his name!
For sure they have a new religion lined up. Unless they figure they don't need one, a combination of AI and bio warfare to keep you in line instead of Jesus. This last religion lasted a while but was a mistake, removing 12 gods or more, female and male, for two or possibly three if include a ghost, all male.
There would be no way to assess "unvaxxed with or without prior infection" I would guess both of those groups constitute a large part of the population and probably never had any symptoms if they were infected or had symptoms and attributed them to a common cold.
This is the nature of retrovirus'. Most probably never knew they had it, and you cannot retro-test anyone that had it several months ago.
The dubitable "death by Covid" numbers are impossible to accurately calculate. On the bright side, the actual death rate is probably so low as to be insignificant.
And keeping track of "cases" is a ridiculous endeavor. Case numbers mean nothing. Next we'll be running around scared because everyone has bacteriophages.
Many did what their tv's told them to do and believe we unvaxxed are going to get them killed because their tv told them to. Too many just want to be told what to do - facts be damned.
the worry is if their tv's tell them to come kill us. don't scoff. alarmist mad exaggeration. yes. I hope so. but Aus is building large camps for covid related reasons. isn't that the first step? shuffle people off to camps where they will be 'well cared for' ? And Australia has a track record. We had camps of 'boat people' offshore where they were kept incommunicado and without sentence (i.e. no idea if or when they may hope for release) and of course, without charge or trial hence to possibility of arguing their case. Protected, of course, by UN human rights. But: Australia is happy to ignore those.
I would consider being shipped off with my family, or even without if they were spared, to be a kind of 'death' sentence.
I just try to say the situation is truly dire, perilous, extreme.
I agree, and have stated this many times. The "clinical testing" with these drugs is abounding with errors. For example, how diverse and extensive was the testing for drug/medication interactions? There's NO WAY proper trials were done with any significant and thorough protocol.
Here in Texas the large oncology clinic is recommending boosters to those on active treatment for cancer when they are immuno-compromised. Where is the data to show that? No where.
Your comments implies that fines indicate that there was indeed wrong doing. Maybe that was the case 30 years ago. I think such trust in the workings of administrations and courts is now misplaced.
That said, I do think that the corona vaccines are very harmful. My point is merely that the presence or absence of fines no longer indicates whether a manufacturer is trustworthy or not
Are you suggesting that injecting a minimally tested technology into your body because you were told to by your school removes you from the “dumb” category?
Sorry if "dumb enough" was too harsh for you. Maybe I should have used " oblivious enough" or" cowardly enough" or "reckless enough" or maybe just "desperate enough" (though admittedly a college student would be excluded from the desperate enough category by definition).
Those college students were influenced by their "dumb" parents, but they should never have been put in that position. I know of three students who were "forced". Two had C19 last year and were quarantined at school...still had to get the jabs or they couldn't go back. The third is in her last year of med school. I'm grateful my kids are out of school now.
I just got a notification from my alma mater asking for $$ to help "help today’s students forge their own paths". I told them they should have let "todays' students forge their own paths" by not forcing them to take an experimental "vaccine" using an experimental technology never before approved for use in human beings to "protect" them from a virus that did not threaten them.
I told them we would not be contributing to the school going forward.
It may seem especially stupid to get the vaxx after having recovered, but we're pretending immunity from infection isn't a thing in the United States now.
Sadly, you would be wrong about that last part. They absolutely are dumb enough, and the public health authorities in every Western country actively pressured them to do so. I am very nervous for this winter, because any major spike in infections or deaths will just be blamed on some new variant.
There were a lot of Brits who remained almost entirely hermetically sealed from March 2020 until July 2021. They stayed in their homes, all food and purchases were delivered to the doorstep, from which they were disinfected item by item before being touched. I have in-laws who did exactly this. Once they got vaccinated, they went out again.
So what we're seeing here is most likely to be that we unvaccinated trolls have been exposed to Covid many times over so don't catch it anymore, while the vaccinated contain a large segment who are immunologically naïve, and thus catch it at very high rates. If this is right, and the vaccines are merely worthless rather than actively harmful, then the ratios should even out as we get through the winter and head into 2022.
But Covid, like all respiratory viruses, is a winter phenomenon. There simply hasn't been that much Covid in circulation for them to catch, especially as, if they're anything like my in-laws, they're still being ludicrously cautious, even though they now leave their houses. It's only now that we're re-entering prime respiratory virus season that they are all being exposed to it at once.
Yes, they're harmful in terms of side effects, but that's different to being harmful in terms of doing the *opposite* of the job they're supposed to do.
Agree, right up until the actively harmful part. Just take a lot at the already vastly under reported VAERs data that just came out. Like nothing ever seen before.
In my humble opinion, this vax is destined to destroy natural immunity. Common colds will soon require boosters of the big pharma vax to survive. My natural immunity is doing it's job right now as I am working in office with 3 fully vaxxed. My nose tingles and my chest has slight pain when I am in the office. I go home and it disappears. They are definitely shedding something that my natural immunity has to fight everyday.
K Hof, I'm not saying you are wrong, but placebo is incredibly powerful. We are appalled at the fear of the other side, such insane fear that they force other people to get vaccinated. But let's not do the same thing. Dont let their game of fear porn get you convinced that the vaxed are now somehow toxic to you. They might be. But it's also possible it's a dose of fear placebo.
You too? I assumed I was crazy for having a similar feeling, mainly in my throat. Only in public places indoors. Never outside, like you'd expect from allergies. I've been feeling it less lately as covid cases have gone down here in Central CA. Surely not covid. Right?
A doctor did a video where he compared the lab tests of one of his patients before the shot, after the first shot, and after the second shot. After the second, his immune system was just about shot - CD4, CD8 cells, killer T cells, all depleted. It was like he was autoimmune.
I'd need to see quite a bit more of this before I believed it. This was one guy, and who knows what else might have happened in his life. And then we'd have to look at, if it does indeed dip for a significant percentage of people, for how long?
Naturally occuring mRNA has variable "lifespans." In some instances a single strand of mRNA can be translated at ribosomes over the course of days, or maybe weeks, and make multiple translated proteins. In other instances it could be a matter of hours. An example of this is putative "memory molecule mRNAs", that when challenged by protein synthesis inhibitors (acting at mRNA the ribosomes) severely impairs learning and memory in animals. So
, unless some fairly complicated studies are done (which I'm sure those pharma hacks didn't do), we don't know what the half-life of mRNAs are. So, we don't now how long these S-protein translations persist (as antigens). To complicate that, RNAase is all over the place, in both the environment and our bodies. Anyone doing mRNA work knows that even coffee in the lab can wipe out the very low concentrations of mRNA in your sample. The bottom line is that this stuff was probably never intended to last long and I suppose it was thought it would serve as an effective antigen while it was producing a S-protein transcript. This is just another fail on the part of the so-called scientists working on that project. Having produced one of the few experimental antibodies to a small molecular weight neurotransmitter in my own lab, I can tell you that this sort of "immunology" that big pharma is selling, and I do mean selling, is just plain old fashioned snake oil without any liability whatsoever. Ask yourself why they haven't had any luck with C18, C17, C16...et al.
I've always thought the primary goal of the "vaxx" was to create a whole society dependent on drugs.
Of course, if they were to come out and say such a thing no one would believe them. Similar to saying they want to eradicate 85% of the population, I suppose.
Friend Russell- Some answers to some questions may be found here: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acscentsci.1c00197 in which the authors maintain that the idea was to incorporate methyl-pseudo-Uridine (mpU) in the vaxx code to evade intracellular detection of foreign nucleotides (by RIG-1, MDA-5, TLRs etc.). Failing to evade this mechanism would obviate the idea of translating anchored Spike fragment for expression on the cell surface in the vain hope of generating a CTL (CD8+ memory) response in addition to a humoral (immunoglobulin) response. They claim that they have experience of protein being translated from vaxx-like mRNA code "for months." OK. A benefit that they seem to miss discussing is that mpU is resistant to ubiquitous RNAses. They also hint that the idea that ubiquitous reverse transcriptases do not turn their code into dsDNA and incorporate it into the genome. This has not been definitively shown TMK, but it has been shown that this happens with the Ronas. The only evidence that would suggest that this does not happen, or if it does happen it happens at sub-detectable levels, is that the Ig response to Spike fades like a seasonal allergy, which would indicate that there is slow antigen depletion within a few weeks like 6-8.
Is there any actual research basis for supposing that N1-methylpseudouridine promotes intracellular RNA longevity? It seems like a totally superfluous feature since the LNP gets the package past toll-mediated interception to begin with. The sample size Pfizer/BioNTech used to compare their candidate RNA versions was so small, it doesn't seem like they cared about this question anyway.
Paper says "When injected into mouse muscle, reporter mRNAs produced detectable proteins for weeks." They cite: https://www.science.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1690918 And then say "However, a challenge to application of these agents as vaccines and protein replacement therapies was their immunogenicity."
Also convincing. I've been on "Team Long Term Reading Is Possible" (the question is just whether the cell gets sniped by T Cells after a few weeks) so this definitely adds support.
That T-cell question is the rub. The Israeli data from July looked at prior infecteds and their extremely low propensity to reinfection lasting as long as was observed. They saw that CD8+ memory phenotype cells recognizing viral nucleocapsid proteins (probably expressed tightly on membranes for weeks post-infection) were a key difference between groups. Why? Because the brilliant vaxx guys only ever made membrane-anchored S1, complete with furin cleavage site, and didn't include nucleocapsid because "the models didn't suggest it was very immunogenic." The MOST stable and basically unalterable structural viral protein (most variant-resistant) was avoided because a computer program said "Nah, it'll be fine"? Whoa. So the answer to your question is: Probably not. CTLs don't seem very, very interested in anchored-S1.
This seems to find that use of pseudouridine makes a bit of difference in intracellular immune response, even with the LNP delivery - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7314518/. But purifying out dsRNA makes the bigger difference. And immune response ≠ timed exosome processing. Interesting rabbit hole.
RE mRNA durability, it's an interesting question. Pfizer/BioNTech were considering a self-amplifying script but decided against it (BNT162C2). (Everything about the design is essentially unscientific - exactly which cells take up the script, how ribosomes elect to read the chosen script, how nascent proteins are processed, is measured by antibodies appearing on the other end of 10,000 intermediary steps. Moronic.) But it seems safe to bet that cells that express the spike protein are eventually targeted by killer T cells and can't survive more than a few weeks after the shot; unless they are secreting the spike instead of expressing it, which I think might be likely.
I don't think the mRNA lifespan accounts for or defines the "infection efficacy window" either way.
One must wonder what the elites and popular discourse will claim as the reason for similar if not higher case counts and deaths compared to last year, with the prevalence of vaccines. This upcoming winter is sure to be full of drama.
The deaths, cancers, etc. this winter will be blamed on Molnupiravir. That's the point of the giant Federal gov purchase-in-advance of millions of doses of a drug that causes cancer, neuro harms, infertility - the same effects of the mRNA shots: https://unglossed.substack.com/p/doppelganger
Because brands are expendable. One can be burned to salvage the other. The point is that it plays into the narrative "experimental drugs = bad" to downplay the reality "experimental vaccine = crazy bad"
I hadn't thought of Molnupiravir being the scape goat. But why would the same governments hiding the mRNA jabs' damage, stand behind issuing the scape goat?
Because it hides the damage. There is already an "official" understanding of nucleoside analogs that accounts for the outcomes prompted by the vaccines. So, just pretend to 'roll out the drug while being "unaware" of the outcomes' and you can blame any and all vaccine-induced outcomes on the scapegoat.
Imagine what happens in 10-20 years when all of these "smart" and "elite" people start developing cancers and are permanently immunocompromised and demand accommodations from a government that refuses to admit any of it was a mistake and needs a convenient scapegoat?
The tyranny and government gaslighting will be the worst humanity has ever seen, especially considering the technological tools that are available. it will be much worse than anything we are seeing now.
We are living in the beginning stages a dystopian science fiction novel and don't know it yet. This whole pandemic is the backstory to the real novel which is yet to be written.
I think there will be a visible cancer signal by the winter. The cancers that we are seeing already are, in my hypothetical, just those that clinically manifest more quickly.
The world elites desperately want us vaxxed ... you have to ask why when there is no compelling data to support this approach. Certainly not true health care. Hang on as time is slowly revealing the truth. Resist. I've previously stated my unwillingness to believe in a depopulation conspiracy but as more time goes by, what else could this be? My other bet is an economic reset which requires mass population control to execute. Fight back.
If you are reluctant to consider the mass depopulation theory (which let's face it, to really get on board with that one you need to investigate the solar-micronova theory, and THAT rabbithole is just off the table for so many people, because it basically explains everything, and thus demands action, and a different kind of action than the divide-and-conquer feints have prompted thus far), then I strongly suggest looking into the biometric-security-state-social-credit-score theory. It's JUST as grim as the depop, but since China's doing it already it must be, well, inevitable? However, you really have to have some baseline skepticism for any-new-tech-as-hallowed-savior in order to believe this one; most people--'rona skeptics as well as covidian cultists--are still too in thrall to their little personal tracking devices oops I mean phones, to want to contemplate this one.
So, to your point, the biometric-security-state-social-credit-score theory is a clear aim that can be supported with facts.
I've looked into this ... and agree.
Bill Gates announced vaccine passports in a March 2020 TED Talk: “eventually what we’ll have to have is certificates of who’s a recovered person, who’s a vaccinated person” and "there will be this digital immunity proof that will help facilitate the global reopening up.”
The sentence on "digital immunity proof" was edited out by the TED Talk producers, but remained in a full audio version of the interview.
Why edit this out? (Rhetorical question, we know why)
Vaccine passports are a key component of the biometric digital identity program run by The ID2020 Alliance: founded by Bill Gates via Microsoft/GAVI and the Rockefeller Foundation linked to ‘Known Traveler’ program initiated by the World Economic Forum.
The idea of using a pandemic to impose tighter top-down control, modeled after the Chinese social credit system, was first described in a 2010 Rockefeller Foundation report ‘Scenarios for the Future of Technology & International Development’ in the "Lock Step" scenario (pg.18).
There's a coordinated push to integrate biometrics and security -- which is clear as day. The question is... how far will they take it. History tells us ... if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
Right. But other than going off-grid and becoming self-sustaining, there is no other action to pursue. Even if everyone understood that we will soon be in a biometric “security” state (and almost already are, save for some laws), few would “do” anything different. It is over. The window for humanity changing course in this regard has closed. You know this. Even posters here are just as addicted to their tech as their normie moron counterparts. This is true. We think we are better than these vaxed up hysterical losers but we knowingly drink from the same poisoned wells.
Alexandra, I agree with you and will confess I have a smartphone. That said, I think many of us will be forced into a new way of life. Many of my friends are to be fired in November and December. I myself am facing the same endpoint. Yes, we sold out and even us skeptics never saw this coming. Only those that went off grid long ago have much of a chance, but what is to say they too won’t be hunted and in the end, droned. Like you and Billy Corgan say, “the world is lost and blown.”
Many in tech and philosophy and economics saw it coming from a long way off. If one was nominally intellectually curious, one came across such material. I chose to just cross my fingers and kind of just hope courts and legislation would soften the inevitable collision between tech and privacy so we could still live with a sense if freedom, however ersatz. I failed to appreciate how brilliant the now eternal global “public health emergency” is and how it so nimbly facilitated the worst case scenario.
Aside from uncomfortable overlap with the plot for Venom, it would make a good movie if becoming a pod person made the vaccinated who didn't have an adverse event super-fit and smart afterward. At a certain point the pod people admit the game. What would the protagonist decide in the end.
I am there, as well. A malicious mass depopulation attempt by global elites seems too conspiratorial. I have been sitting with the idea that a bunch of actors are all going after and protecting their self-interests and that this explains the inconsistencies that look like incompetent idiots just bumbling around aimlessly. However, when you hear the same language from leaders across the world and everyone falling in line with mass vaccination, passports, lockdowns, etc., you can't help but see an element of organization to all of this.
Is it just me or are we chasing down and attempting to quash an already infinitesimally small likelihood of death from COVID by taking something wholly experimental in an attempt to gain a fraction of a percentage of likelihood we won’t die from COVID? Like if I had to quantify the actual benefit to myself, what would it be? This is already taking up too much time and energy to be beneficial in the grand scheme of things in my life. For elderly with comorbidities, fine. For me this is a total waste of time.
That’s exactly the thing I keep going back to: this “pandemic” panic is COMPLETELY over the moon in comparison to the ACTUAL threat posed to almost everyone, which is practically nothing.
Yes, the extremely old and obese are at high risk. But the average joe and my 20-something kids are not at risk at all.
If this virus was the barn burner they claimed it was, we wouldn’t be discussing any of this. We would all be dead or severely debilitated. We are prisoners of a digital world and as such gain our perspective through barred, dirty windows.
Most adults would have to win a virtual lottery to have the chance of benefiting (as in, turn out to be susceptible to severe outcomes to infection) from any vaccine, including this one. At which point, it's still just a *chance* of benefiting - you might win the second lottery of severe-out-come-susceptible+vaccinated people who still have a severe outcome. (For the rest of people, where the likelihood of "having a chance of benefiting" is high, it is also still just a chance, as with Colin Powell).
It's the same for the previously naturally infected.
To cast adult vaccination as "protection" is inaccurate. It is placing a bet that is very unlikely to pay off.
It's driven by the widespread indoctrination of several generations of Americans to expect, and to demand, safe spaces. A risk free environment is impossible. Maybe this sorry episode will be a useful lesson for some of them.
It's not rocket science to work out that if the vaccine itself is toxic to the human natural immune system and then fades leaving a toxic system in its wake, the only outcome is a compromised immune system incapable of resisting further infection. Which is probably the reason we are seeing this happening.
Denominator problems aside, one can imagine a few things to be likely true. 1) the unvaccinated have a larger percent of naturally immune. 2) the vaccinated are tested LESS not more than the unvaccinated for a variety of reasons inclosing hte increased probability of being asymptomatic 3) the role of risky behaviours is complex and likely not easy to uncover but likely somewhat age cohort dependent: i.e. the youg unvaccinated are more likely to be more risk taking and hte old unvaccinated less
How many will be dying of complications due to AIDS in the coming months, in addition to the VAERS cases?
You don't need to be a virologist to see that these "vaccines" have not only been ineffective in fighting a virus that most people survive easily, but may end up contributing to mass genocide.
I just hope we can stem the mass hysteria soon, find and identify the sociopaths that created the fear and actually hold these perpetrators guilty for their crimes against humanity.
Every day verifies that what I read on the substacks first is a first and more honest draft of what I see spun in the newspapers a little while later. Today the SF Chronicle actually has a front page article on AY 4.2 , but of course it is 100% vague about what is concerning about it. The legacy media is starting to small trouble down the road and is starting battlespace prep.
My thought when reading the "explanation" from the FT was that the alternative population numbers do not make the vaccine look "super effective" again but at best "mildly helpful" against infection. Maybe I'm misreading the numbers but it seems with the maximum correction you end up in "mildly useful" territory rather than "super effective" territory?
The FT reporter is really clutching at straws. What a desperate attempt to show that the vaccines are useless after a few months! Even Pfizer admitted to the FDA on September 17 that the vaccine effectiveness after a few months was 'nor statistically significantly different from zero.'
As to the denominators, this is what the NHS says:
"As the ONS population estimates are based on the 2011 Census, they are subject to a degree of uncertainty, and do not reflect changes to the population since 2019. The ONS 2019 mid-year population estimates are likely to be an underestimate...Some of the uptake rates calculated using the ONS denominators are reported as 100%* in the publications. In these instances, the number of people who have been vaccinated exceeds the ONS population estimate for that group. "
Indeed, that is true: using ONS denominators results in far too high a vaccine takeup - over 100% in some cases, which shows that the use of ONS denominators to 'paint a more accurate picture' is phoney.
On the other hand, this is siad about NIMS denominators:
"National Immunisation Management System (NIMS) denominators are the numbers of individuals registered with the NHS who are currently alive in the resident population. Overall they likely overestimate the population and so underestimate vaccine uptake percentages, as death registration data is subject to a reporting lag...Unlike the ONS denominators which are fixed, the NIMS denominators are updated in each weekly and monthly publication, to reflect known changes to the current resident population."
So, ONS definitely underestimates the population (because vaccination rates can't be higher than 100%) whereas NIMS possibly overestimates because of delays to recording deaths.
However, the effect of deaths does not much affect the population in their 30s 40s 50s and 60s.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether the rates among the unvaccinated are put up or down a bit, the picture is remarkably clear: vaccine efficacy against infection has completely disappeared after 20 weeks from second dose. A large study in Qatar showed reported it as 0% after 20 weeks simply because it chose not to register negative figures. However, the data itself showed that efficacy after 20 weeks was minus 16%.
I agree with your assessment that the efficacy of the vaccines is fading. The problem with these analysis is that they compare 2 groups (vaxxed and unvaxxed) when there really should be 4 (vaxxed without prior infection, vaxxed with prior infection, unvaxxed without prior infection and unvaxxed with prior infection). I hypothesize the unvaccinated group of people have a much higher frequency of prior infection. I'd like to think most people aren't dumb enough to get the vaccine after an infection.....
people with documented infections are asked to get a single dose of vaccine, and you can use the „only one dose“ category to quasi-track this cohort in these reports. they have substantially lower rates of infection
The problem is few people know they were infected. Most of us get mild symptoms and don't consider it might have been the horribly deadly covid plague. In my case I had mild symptoms after a vigorous cross country trip, chalked it off as jet lag and fatigue. Found out I have antibodies serendipitously a few months later when I got tested for surgery clearance, before I had planned to get the Johnson vax. A rational world would be encouraging antibody testing to determine who needs to consider vaccination. We seem to be severely irrational.
Agreed. Sera tests should have been available for home testing. Private and cheap.
Wait, am I missing something? Is there an effective antibody test I don't know about? I thought most of them were useless past a few weeks.
No test is useless. Some give better results than others.
Are there such things as germs? If you go back to 1919 reports on the Spanish Flu germ (it was a germ) you'll find some damned big claims for it, like it can travel on the wind from Hungary to Spain. Or from Asia, because of course some said that it came from there.
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Germ, bacillus. Never a virus.
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They are dumb enough. They are the type to have previously demonstrated infection, both IgM and IgG antibodies in sera to covid19. Then get jabbed three times. Finally, even after all of that, they will still strap a N95 mask with a surgical masking covering it to their faces.
... and continue lighting their Saint Anthony candles and voting for their oppressors.
Funny! When you said "st. Anthony candles" the first thing that came to my mind was "what did the lose? Their sanity?" (St. Anthony is the patron saint of lost items) But now I understand that you meant St. Anthony Fauci, blessed be his name!
Exactly! It is absolute insanity.
I don't think many of them are lighting Saint Anthony candles.
I think they’re referring to “St.” Anthony Fauci
Probably. But I did see them on TV. The enthusiasm does seem to have a religious component.
For sure they have a new religion lined up. Unless they figure they don't need one, a combination of AI and bio warfare to keep you in line instead of Jesus. This last religion lasted a while but was a mistake, removing 12 gods or more, female and male, for two or possibly three if include a ghost, all male.
The really dumb ones wear a cloth mask.
The extraordinarily dumb ones wear full bunny suits...in their cars.
Seen it, wanted to just go home and close the doors and hope to **** I can figure out which planet I'm really from.
Today there was a masked woman driving behind me with only an unmasked dog in her car.
There would be no way to assess "unvaxxed with or without prior infection" I would guess both of those groups constitute a large part of the population and probably never had any symptoms if they were infected or had symptoms and attributed them to a common cold.
This is the nature of retrovirus'. Most probably never knew they had it, and you cannot retro-test anyone that had it several months ago.
The dubitable "death by Covid" numbers are impossible to accurately calculate. On the bright side, the actual death rate is probably so low as to be insignificant.
And keeping track of "cases" is a ridiculous endeavor. Case numbers mean nothing. Next we'll be running around scared because everyone has bacteriophages.
Plenty of people were dumb enough to get the vaccine after an infection.
*raises hand*
Many did what their tv's told them to do and believe we unvaxxed are going to get them killed because their tv told them to. Too many just want to be told what to do - facts be damned.
the worry is if their tv's tell them to come kill us. don't scoff. alarmist mad exaggeration. yes. I hope so. but Aus is building large camps for covid related reasons. isn't that the first step? shuffle people off to camps where they will be 'well cared for' ? And Australia has a track record. We had camps of 'boat people' offshore where they were kept incommunicado and without sentence (i.e. no idea if or when they may hope for release) and of course, without charge or trial hence to possibility of arguing their case. Protected, of course, by UN human rights. But: Australia is happy to ignore those.
I would consider being shipped off with my family, or even without if they were spared, to be a kind of 'death' sentence.
I just try to say the situation is truly dire, perilous, extreme.
Many people would be totally lost without the TV news telling them what to do. I haven't watched any TV news since 9-11. Did I miss anything? Heck No.
I agree, and have stated this many times. The "clinical testing" with these drugs is abounding with errors. For example, how diverse and extensive was the testing for drug/medication interactions? There's NO WAY proper trials were done with any significant and thorough protocol.
Here in Texas the large oncology clinic is recommending boosters to those on active treatment for cancer when they are immuno-compromised. Where is the data to show that? No where.
Trust the Science ???? What Science ????
Data recorded from the United States Department of Justice.
Pfizer - 2004 - Fines - $430 Million - Drug - Neurontin - False Claims Act FDCA
Pfizer - 2009 - Fines - $2.3 BILLION - Drugs - Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica - False Claims Act FDCA
GlaxoSmithKline - 2012 - Fines - $3 Billion - ($1 Billion Criminal -$2 Billion Civil Compensation - Drugs - Avandia, Wellbutrin, Paxil, Advair, Lamictal, Zofran, Imitrex, Lotronex, Flovent, Valtrex. False Claims Act. Criminal Behaviour. FDCA. ---They OWN Pfizer.
Johnson&Johnson - 2013 - Fines - $2.2 BILLION - Drugs - Risperdal, Invega, Nesiritide
Many - Many more Pharmaceutical Companies - BILLIONS of DOLLARS in Fines and Compensation.
They have the AUDACITY to say "TRUST US"
How Naive and Gullible are people.?????
Your comments implies that fines indicate that there was indeed wrong doing. Maybe that was the case 30 years ago. I think such trust in the workings of administrations and courts is now misplaced.
That said, I do think that the corona vaccines are very harmful. My point is merely that the presence or absence of fines no longer indicates whether a manufacturer is trustworthy or not
Adretto, no need to apologize for missed sarcasm.
Many people have been "dumb enough" to get the vaccine after an infection. Many have been mandated to do so, especially college students.
Are you suggesting that injecting a minimally tested technology into your body because you were told to by your school removes you from the “dumb” category?
No.
Sorry if "dumb enough" was too harsh for you. Maybe I should have used " oblivious enough" or" cowardly enough" or "reckless enough" or maybe just "desperate enough" (though admittedly a college student would be excluded from the desperate enough category by definition).
Those college students were influenced by their "dumb" parents, but they should never have been put in that position. I know of three students who were "forced". Two had C19 last year and were quarantined at school...still had to get the jabs or they couldn't go back. The third is in her last year of med school. I'm grateful my kids are out of school now.
I just got a notification from my alma mater asking for $$ to help "help today’s students forge their own paths". I told them they should have let "todays' students forge their own paths" by not forcing them to take an experimental "vaccine" using an experimental technology never before approved for use in human beings to "protect" them from a virus that did not threaten them.
I told them we would not be contributing to the school going forward.
It may seem especially stupid to get the vaxx after having recovered, but we're pretending immunity from infection isn't a thing in the United States now.
Big Pharma makes no money on natural immunity.
No, "dumb enough" was way too kind.
What more do they want? It seems they lack faith all together.
Sadly, you would be wrong about that last part. They absolutely are dumb enough, and the public health authorities in every Western country actively pressured them to do so. I am very nervous for this winter, because any major spike in infections or deaths will just be blamed on some new variant.
Yep some of those public officials must have conned their way through graduate school. Others may have not even bothered.
I'm just not sure how you would parse out that data....
There were a lot of Brits who remained almost entirely hermetically sealed from March 2020 until July 2021. They stayed in their homes, all food and purchases were delivered to the doorstep, from which they were disinfected item by item before being touched. I have in-laws who did exactly this. Once they got vaccinated, they went out again.
So what we're seeing here is most likely to be that we unvaccinated trolls have been exposed to Covid many times over so don't catch it anymore, while the vaccinated contain a large segment who are immunologically naïve, and thus catch it at very high rates. If this is right, and the vaccines are merely worthless rather than actively harmful, then the ratios should even out as we get through the winter and head into 2022.
agreed this is strong possibility
But most of those age groups showing negative efficacy got vaxxed months ago. They didn't just start venturing out a month ago.
But Covid, like all respiratory viruses, is a winter phenomenon. There simply hasn't been that much Covid in circulation for them to catch, especially as, if they're anything like my in-laws, they're still being ludicrously cautious, even though they now leave their houses. It's only now that we're re-entering prime respiratory virus season that they are all being exposed to it at once.
No, the "vaccines" are killing people.
@Thoughts
We already know these injections are harmful. And I hope they don't end up being harmful to everyone that had one.
Yes, they're harmful in terms of side effects, but that's different to being harmful in terms of doing the *opposite* of the job they're supposed to do.
Agree, right up until the actively harmful part. Just take a lot at the already vastly under reported VAERs data that just came out. Like nothing ever seen before.
In my humble opinion, this vax is destined to destroy natural immunity. Common colds will soon require boosters of the big pharma vax to survive. My natural immunity is doing it's job right now as I am working in office with 3 fully vaxxed. My nose tingles and my chest has slight pain when I am in the office. I go home and it disappears. They are definitely shedding something that my natural immunity has to fight everyday.
K Hof, I'm not saying you are wrong, but placebo is incredibly powerful. We are appalled at the fear of the other side, such insane fear that they force other people to get vaccinated. But let's not do the same thing. Dont let their game of fear porn get you convinced that the vaxed are now somehow toxic to you. They might be. But it's also possible it's a dose of fear placebo.
You too? I assumed I was crazy for having a similar feeling, mainly in my throat. Only in public places indoors. Never outside, like you'd expect from allergies. I've been feeling it less lately as covid cases have gone down here in Central CA. Surely not covid. Right?
A doctor did a video where he compared the lab tests of one of his patients before the shot, after the first shot, and after the second shot. After the second, his immune system was just about shot - CD4, CD8 cells, killer T cells, all depleted. It was like he was autoimmune.
https://banned.video/watch?id=615ce5b9eb8423302e4f0d87
I'd need to see quite a bit more of this before I believed it. This was one guy, and who knows what else might have happened in his life. And then we'd have to look at, if it does indeed dip for a significant percentage of people, for how long?
Naturally occuring mRNA has variable "lifespans." In some instances a single strand of mRNA can be translated at ribosomes over the course of days, or maybe weeks, and make multiple translated proteins. In other instances it could be a matter of hours. An example of this is putative "memory molecule mRNAs", that when challenged by protein synthesis inhibitors (acting at mRNA the ribosomes) severely impairs learning and memory in animals. So
, unless some fairly complicated studies are done (which I'm sure those pharma hacks didn't do), we don't know what the half-life of mRNAs are. So, we don't now how long these S-protein translations persist (as antigens). To complicate that, RNAase is all over the place, in both the environment and our bodies. Anyone doing mRNA work knows that even coffee in the lab can wipe out the very low concentrations of mRNA in your sample. The bottom line is that this stuff was probably never intended to last long and I suppose it was thought it would serve as an effective antigen while it was producing a S-protein transcript. This is just another fail on the part of the so-called scientists working on that project. Having produced one of the few experimental antibodies to a small molecular weight neurotransmitter in my own lab, I can tell you that this sort of "immunology" that big pharma is selling, and I do mean selling, is just plain old fashioned snake oil without any liability whatsoever. Ask yourself why they haven't had any luck with C18, C17, C16...et al.
It's way better than old fashioned snake oil. It's designed to create immune dysfunction and medical dependance.
I've always thought the primary goal of the "vaxx" was to create a whole society dependent on drugs.
Of course, if they were to come out and say such a thing no one would believe them. Similar to saying they want to eradicate 85% of the population, I suppose.
What a time to be alive.
Friend Russell- Some answers to some questions may be found here: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acscentsci.1c00197 in which the authors maintain that the idea was to incorporate methyl-pseudo-Uridine (mpU) in the vaxx code to evade intracellular detection of foreign nucleotides (by RIG-1, MDA-5, TLRs etc.). Failing to evade this mechanism would obviate the idea of translating anchored Spike fragment for expression on the cell surface in the vain hope of generating a CTL (CD8+ memory) response in addition to a humoral (immunoglobulin) response. They claim that they have experience of protein being translated from vaxx-like mRNA code "for months." OK. A benefit that they seem to miss discussing is that mpU is resistant to ubiquitous RNAses. They also hint that the idea that ubiquitous reverse transcriptases do not turn their code into dsDNA and incorporate it into the genome. This has not been definitively shown TMK, but it has been shown that this happens with the Ronas. The only evidence that would suggest that this does not happen, or if it does happen it happens at sub-detectable levels, is that the Ig response to Spike fades like a seasonal allergy, which would indicate that there is slow antigen depletion within a few weeks like 6-8.
Is there any actual research basis for supposing that N1-methylpseudouridine promotes intracellular RNA longevity? It seems like a totally superfluous feature since the LNP gets the package past toll-mediated interception to begin with. The sample size Pfizer/BioNTech used to compare their candidate RNA versions was so small, it doesn't seem like they cared about this question anyway.
Paper says "When injected into mouse muscle, reporter mRNAs produced detectable proteins for weeks." They cite: https://www.science.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.1690918 And then say "However, a challenge to application of these agents as vaccines and protein replacement therapies was their immunogenicity."
Also convincing. I've been on "Team Long Term Reading Is Possible" (the question is just whether the cell gets sniped by T Cells after a few weeks) so this definitely adds support.
That T-cell question is the rub. The Israeli data from July looked at prior infecteds and their extremely low propensity to reinfection lasting as long as was observed. They saw that CD8+ memory phenotype cells recognizing viral nucleocapsid proteins (probably expressed tightly on membranes for weeks post-infection) were a key difference between groups. Why? Because the brilliant vaxx guys only ever made membrane-anchored S1, complete with furin cleavage site, and didn't include nucleocapsid because "the models didn't suggest it was very immunogenic." The MOST stable and basically unalterable structural viral protein (most variant-resistant) was avoided because a computer program said "Nah, it'll be fine"? Whoa. So the answer to your question is: Probably not. CTLs don't seem very, very interested in anchored-S1.
This seems to find that use of pseudouridine makes a bit of difference in intracellular immune response, even with the LNP delivery - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7314518/. But purifying out dsRNA makes the bigger difference. And immune response ≠ timed exosome processing. Interesting rabbit hole.
What would be your guess at the longer term effects of these products? Could it be that they are inversely impacting Immunity longer term? If so, how?
RE mRNA durability, it's an interesting question. Pfizer/BioNTech were considering a self-amplifying script but decided against it (BNT162C2). (Everything about the design is essentially unscientific - exactly which cells take up the script, how ribosomes elect to read the chosen script, how nascent proteins are processed, is measured by antibodies appearing on the other end of 10,000 intermediary steps. Moronic.) But it seems safe to bet that cells that express the spike protein are eventually targeted by killer T cells and can't survive more than a few weeks after the shot; unless they are secreting the spike instead of expressing it, which I think might be likely.
I don't think the mRNA lifespan accounts for or defines the "infection efficacy window" either way.
Informative, thanks.
One must wonder what the elites and popular discourse will claim as the reason for similar if not higher case counts and deaths compared to last year, with the prevalence of vaccines. This upcoming winter is sure to be full of drama.
Climate change.
Variants, produced by the unvaccinated- of course!
They will say all the cases and deaths are in the unvaccinated.
We already know, demand more clot shots for all.
The deaths, cancers, etc. this winter will be blamed on Molnupiravir. That's the point of the giant Federal gov purchase-in-advance of millions of doses of a drug that causes cancer, neuro harms, infertility - the same effects of the mRNA shots: https://unglossed.substack.com/p/doppelganger
Why would Merck be made a scapegoat? No one is accountable in our society. They will most likely blame those who have no way to defend themselves.
Because brands are expendable. One can be burned to salvage the other. The point is that it plays into the narrative "experimental drugs = bad" to downplay the reality "experimental vaccine = crazy bad"
I hadn't thought of Molnupiravir being the scape goat. But why would the same governments hiding the mRNA jabs' damage, stand behind issuing the scape goat?
Because it hides the damage. There is already an "official" understanding of nucleoside analogs that accounts for the outcomes prompted by the vaccines. So, just pretend to 'roll out the drug while being "unaware" of the outcomes' and you can blame any and all vaccine-induced outcomes on the scapegoat.
Imagine what happens in 10-20 years when all of these "smart" and "elite" people start developing cancers and are permanently immunocompromised and demand accommodations from a government that refuses to admit any of it was a mistake and needs a convenient scapegoat?
The tyranny and government gaslighting will be the worst humanity has ever seen, especially considering the technological tools that are available. it will be much worse than anything we are seeing now.
We are living in the beginning stages a dystopian science fiction novel and don't know it yet. This whole pandemic is the backstory to the real novel which is yet to be written.
10-20 years? Try thinking in terms of 3-5.
I think there will be a visible cancer signal by the winter. The cancers that we are seeing already are, in my hypothetical, just those that clinically manifest more quickly.
They handwaved vax status of Colin Powell when he died "coz cancer already" and all I could think was "no chance the vax exacerbated the issue?"
None at all?
And the increase in AIDS symptoms. Just what the "doctor" Fauci ordered?
That guy from Harvard seems to think it possible.
Hm... Prossibly.
WE know we are in it.
Yep. Should have said "most people" don't know it. :-)
The world elites desperately want us vaxxed ... you have to ask why when there is no compelling data to support this approach. Certainly not true health care. Hang on as time is slowly revealing the truth. Resist. I've previously stated my unwillingness to believe in a depopulation conspiracy but as more time goes by, what else could this be? My other bet is an economic reset which requires mass population control to execute. Fight back.
If you are reluctant to consider the mass depopulation theory (which let's face it, to really get on board with that one you need to investigate the solar-micronova theory, and THAT rabbithole is just off the table for so many people, because it basically explains everything, and thus demands action, and a different kind of action than the divide-and-conquer feints have prompted thus far), then I strongly suggest looking into the biometric-security-state-social-credit-score theory. It's JUST as grim as the depop, but since China's doing it already it must be, well, inevitable? However, you really have to have some baseline skepticism for any-new-tech-as-hallowed-savior in order to believe this one; most people--'rona skeptics as well as covidian cultists--are still too in thrall to their little personal tracking devices oops I mean phones, to want to contemplate this one.
Understanding is the booby prize. Time to act.
So, to your point, the biometric-security-state-social-credit-score theory is a clear aim that can be supported with facts.
I've looked into this ... and agree.
Bill Gates announced vaccine passports in a March 2020 TED Talk: “eventually what we’ll have to have is certificates of who’s a recovered person, who’s a vaccinated person” and "there will be this digital immunity proof that will help facilitate the global reopening up.”
The sentence on "digital immunity proof" was edited out by the TED Talk producers, but remained in a full audio version of the interview.
Why edit this out? (Rhetorical question, we know why)
Vaccine passports are a key component of the biometric digital identity program run by The ID2020 Alliance: founded by Bill Gates via Microsoft/GAVI and the Rockefeller Foundation linked to ‘Known Traveler’ program initiated by the World Economic Forum.
The idea of using a pandemic to impose tighter top-down control, modeled after the Chinese social credit system, was first described in a 2010 Rockefeller Foundation report ‘Scenarios for the Future of Technology & International Development’ in the "Lock Step" scenario (pg.18).
There's a coordinated push to integrate biometrics and security -- which is clear as day. The question is... how far will they take it. History tells us ... if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
What is already worldwide?
Right. But other than going off-grid and becoming self-sustaining, there is no other action to pursue. Even if everyone understood that we will soon be in a biometric “security” state (and almost already are, save for some laws), few would “do” anything different. It is over. The window for humanity changing course in this regard has closed. You know this. Even posters here are just as addicted to their tech as their normie moron counterparts. This is true. We think we are better than these vaxed up hysterical losers but we knowingly drink from the same poisoned wells.
Hopefully we've all found our hill to die on. You can't win on someone elses hill.
They could have got me in the end, but if headphone jacks aren't included in my citizen tracking phone than I am OUT.
Alexandra, I agree with you and will confess I have a smartphone. That said, I think many of us will be forced into a new way of life. Many of my friends are to be fired in November and December. I myself am facing the same endpoint. Yes, we sold out and even us skeptics never saw this coming. Only those that went off grid long ago have much of a chance, but what is to say they too won’t be hunted and in the end, droned. Like you and Billy Corgan say, “the world is lost and blown.”
Many in tech and philosophy and economics saw it coming from a long way off. If one was nominally intellectually curious, one came across such material. I chose to just cross my fingers and kind of just hope courts and legislation would soften the inevitable collision between tech and privacy so we could still live with a sense if freedom, however ersatz. I failed to appreciate how brilliant the now eternal global “public health emergency” is and how it so nimbly facilitated the worst case scenario.
It's also as simple as it may seem -- opportunity and profiteering. We don't have a public health service, we have a sickness subscription service.
Don't forget option three (the shots are filled with alien spores!!!). Hopefully that one's a false flag plant. You know. Fingers crossed.
That is within my top three possibilities. Section 3b - “it is highly likely, those vaccinated, are in fact, actual ‘pod people’ now.”
Aside from uncomfortable overlap with the plot for Venom, it would make a good movie if becoming a pod person made the vaccinated who didn't have an adverse event super-fit and smart afterward. At a certain point the pod people admit the game. What would the protagonist decide in the end.
Hmm, good question. I guess it is the same sort of dilemma as, “do I inject myself with supra-physiological amounts of exogenous hormones or not?”
Aka the "Moaning Lisa" dilemma. It also resonates with cultural assimilation anxiety. It's a goldmine.
I am there, as well. A malicious mass depopulation attempt by global elites seems too conspiratorial. I have been sitting with the idea that a bunch of actors are all going after and protecting their self-interests and that this explains the inconsistencies that look like incompetent idiots just bumbling around aimlessly. However, when you hear the same language from leaders across the world and everyone falling in line with mass vaccination, passports, lockdowns, etc., you can't help but see an element of organization to all of this.
This is exactly why they don't want a large control group of the unvaxxed.
Is it just me or are we chasing down and attempting to quash an already infinitesimally small likelihood of death from COVID by taking something wholly experimental in an attempt to gain a fraction of a percentage of likelihood we won’t die from COVID? Like if I had to quantify the actual benefit to myself, what would it be? This is already taking up too much time and energy to be beneficial in the grand scheme of things in my life. For elderly with comorbidities, fine. For me this is a total waste of time.
That’s exactly the thing I keep going back to: this “pandemic” panic is COMPLETELY over the moon in comparison to the ACTUAL threat posed to almost everyone, which is practically nothing.
Yes, the extremely old and obese are at high risk. But the average joe and my 20-something kids are not at risk at all.
If this virus was the barn burner they claimed it was, we wouldn’t be discussing any of this. We would all be dead or severely debilitated. We are prisoners of a digital world and as such gain our perspective through barred, dirty windows.
Most adults would have to win a virtual lottery to have the chance of benefiting (as in, turn out to be susceptible to severe outcomes to infection) from any vaccine, including this one. At which point, it's still just a *chance* of benefiting - you might win the second lottery of severe-out-come-susceptible+vaccinated people who still have a severe outcome. (For the rest of people, where the likelihood of "having a chance of benefiting" is high, it is also still just a chance, as with Colin Powell).
It's the same for the previously naturally infected.
To cast adult vaccination as "protection" is inaccurate. It is placing a bet that is very unlikely to pay off.
You're assuming this is about a virus and personal and private health.
Yes correct. I know what it’s really about. It’s terrifying. And it’s also nonsense at the same time.
It's driven by the widespread indoctrination of several generations of Americans to expect, and to demand, safe spaces. A risk free environment is impossible. Maybe this sorry episode will be a useful lesson for some of them.
The way they’ve been allowed to distort the data is unreal.
It's not rocket science to work out that if the vaccine itself is toxic to the human natural immune system and then fades leaving a toxic system in its wake, the only outcome is a compromised immune system incapable of resisting further infection. Which is probably the reason we are seeing this happening.
Tired: The vaccines are effective at eradicating COVID.
Wired: The vaccines drive variants to become more contagious/virulent.
Inspired: The vaccines drive variants to become specifically good at infecting the vaccinated.
Denominator problems aside, one can imagine a few things to be likely true. 1) the unvaccinated have a larger percent of naturally immune. 2) the vaccinated are tested LESS not more than the unvaccinated for a variety of reasons inclosing hte increased probability of being asymptomatic 3) the role of risky behaviours is complex and likely not easy to uncover but likely somewhat age cohort dependent: i.e. the youg unvaccinated are more likely to be more risk taking and hte old unvaccinated less
Agreed. Not to mention the bias of “I’m vaxxed, it’s not covid. Cough. Cough.”
Oh god so much this. If people believe masks and lock downs helped, the vax which actually goes into their bodies must seem like a literal shield.
How many will be dying of complications due to AIDS in the coming months, in addition to the VAERS cases?
You don't need to be a virologist to see that these "vaccines" have not only been ineffective in fighting a virus that most people survive easily, but may end up contributing to mass genocide.
I just hope we can stem the mass hysteria soon, find and identify the sociopaths that created the fear and actually hold these perpetrators guilty for their crimes against humanity.
Every day verifies that what I read on the substacks first is a first and more honest draft of what I see spun in the newspapers a little while later. Today the SF Chronicle actually has a front page article on AY 4.2 , but of course it is 100% vague about what is concerning about it. The legacy media is starting to small trouble down the road and is starting battlespace prep.
My thought when reading the "explanation" from the FT was that the alternative population numbers do not make the vaccine look "super effective" again but at best "mildly helpful" against infection. Maybe I'm misreading the numbers but it seems with the maximum correction you end up in "mildly useful" territory rather than "super effective" territory?
ha, was trying for a little sarcasm.
fixed now.
Glad you fixed it. I didn't sense the sarcasm and thought it was an error.
The FT reporter is really clutching at straws. What a desperate attempt to show that the vaccines are useless after a few months! Even Pfizer admitted to the FDA on September 17 that the vaccine effectiveness after a few months was 'nor statistically significantly different from zero.'
As to the denominators, this is what the NHS says:
"As the ONS population estimates are based on the 2011 Census, they are subject to a degree of uncertainty, and do not reflect changes to the population since 2019. The ONS 2019 mid-year population estimates are likely to be an underestimate...Some of the uptake rates calculated using the ONS denominators are reported as 100%* in the publications. In these instances, the number of people who have been vaccinated exceeds the ONS population estimate for that group. "
Indeed, that is true: using ONS denominators results in far too high a vaccine takeup - over 100% in some cases, which shows that the use of ONS denominators to 'paint a more accurate picture' is phoney.
On the other hand, this is siad about NIMS denominators:
"National Immunisation Management System (NIMS) denominators are the numbers of individuals registered with the NHS who are currently alive in the resident population. Overall they likely overestimate the population and so underestimate vaccine uptake percentages, as death registration data is subject to a reporting lag...Unlike the ONS denominators which are fixed, the NIMS denominators are updated in each weekly and monthly publication, to reflect known changes to the current resident population."
So, ONS definitely underestimates the population (because vaccination rates can't be higher than 100%) whereas NIMS possibly overestimates because of delays to recording deaths.
However, the effect of deaths does not much affect the population in their 30s 40s 50s and 60s.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether the rates among the unvaccinated are put up or down a bit, the picture is remarkably clear: vaccine efficacy against infection has completely disappeared after 20 weeks from second dose. A large study in Qatar showed reported it as 0% after 20 weeks simply because it chose not to register negative figures. However, the data itself showed that efficacy after 20 weeks was minus 16%.
Oops...meant to write "What a desperate attempt to show that the vaccines are NOT useless after a few months!"