It's morbidly fascinating that the "anti-fascists" have adopted overtly fascist techniques, such as systematically crushing the opposition. My fear is that we have two generations of Europeans who have never seen blood in the streets, so they are not afraid of it. They are likely to blunder into something they will regret.
Let's hope not. Another related possibility could be popular uprisings. The problem is everywhere. For example, the suppression of speech in the UK seems like a bomb with a faulty fuse.
"The United Kingdom, once a bastion of stability and constitutional governance, now teeters on the brink of civil war, according to a dire warning from Professor David Betz, a leading academic and government advisor. In a recent podcast appearance with journalist Louise Perry, Betz, who teaches at King’s College London and has advised the UK Ministry of Defence and GCHQ, declared that British society is “explosively configured” for mass unrest. He predicts a national eruption within five years, driven by the government’s failure to secure borders, protect citizens, maintain freedom of speech and sustain social cohesion"
And they go along with the theme of most of these western "democracies" of disarming their population and then inflict the worst kind of injustices upon them, all in the name of "tolerance and peace". But in reality, it is the exact opposite as the brilliant author, Mr. Orwell, so perfectly articulated in his novel, 1984.
Orwell worked at the BBC and for the Government, so I think he was writing about his own country (I used to believe his books were about Russia , not anymore).
100%, I think he was too, not just because "we have always been at war with Eurasia", which is Russia, in my estimation. The Soviet/Stalin jack boot example was the most glaring one at the time he wrote 1984. We could visualize Big Brother as Joe Stalin, because of the Party and the control that was maintained over the party.
Well I was going to say that, but I didn’t want to pre-empt it??? Here’s hoping they start deporting and the locals can breathe again 🙏. ((That ain’t gonna happen!!!)
QUOTE: Betz, who teaches at King’s College London and has advised the UK Ministry of Defence and GCHQ, declared that British society is “explosively configured” for mass unrest ...
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Indeed - "explosively configured" - by Betz's OWN EMPLOYERS.
I guess my trip to Scotland may be interesting later this spring. I just filled out the new UK ETA application online and paid the fee and obtained my new approval to visit (Passports alone being no longer adequate). I'll be going through Heathrow and one point. I wonder if my viewpoints writing here and elsewhere will cause me any trouble from UK authorities?
I can't help but think that this is the great "regional management zone" experiment (EU sector) to see how they can manage regional governments, while trying to eliminate any sort of national identity/patriotic love of one's own country. European citizenship vice individual nation.
Next, they will introduce them to "global citizenship". The remaining sectors to be divided up: North American, South American (with central America probably in the NA sector), African sector, Indo/Pacific, SE Asia, etc...
If I recall correctly, Henry Kissinger wrote about this in his "Five star/region economic zone plan". I forget the exact name he called it but it would eventually extend beyond just economic to political/governance, etc.
a world war of peoples warmongering among each other, while the uppeties... right. Sit in a safe place laughing - no more need for viruses or jabs, they will all kill each other and that is the goal to begin with.
On one's personal level, dead is dead whether by political violence or nuclear warfare.
In the greater scheme of things, not inflicting a climate cool down due to a lot of burning cities plus world wide radioisotope contamination first from fallout and then massively more from melted down power reactor cores & too freshly removed spent fuel in pools which couldn't reach cold shutdown or maintain active cooling are certainly worth considering.
Meh, change the climate just a bit (3° in average temperatures of temperate zone bread basket areas for 2 years could be enough) and the majority of humanity will go away before year 3 is over, probably sooner. Not an independant variable to put it mildly.
Go check out the last several volcanic events which managed rather less than that deviation? There were a pair in 536 and 540 AD with quite noticable effects for some time after, you may recall a little diversion we call the Dark Ages?
Tambora in 1815, see "the year without a Summer" in New England.
Then Krakatau in 1883, another couple of couple of screwed up years.
I mean, I think we all hope not, particularly those of us who lived through the fall of the Soviet Union and had that ever-present shadow of the potential for nuclear annihilation which had hung over us our entire lives suddenly lift. I have *particularly* not enjoyed that cloud once again hanging in my sky. :-/
I think most of Europe is quite well aware, that warfare will kill the uppeties as well. They are just dancing around the fire pit. The small man is paying the price, but the wealthy are in safe places (just like here in the US they have their hiding places) sipping champagne and eating caviar.
Wars always truly start years before the first shot, and when that first shot rings out, the bien pensants scratch their heads and wonder how nobody saw it coming.
Because everybody look away and ignored the signs.
The actual fascists were far more competent, on all issues (including a lot of issues we could have wished for them to not be) than any EU-state is on anything. Barring the warmaking, eugenics and all that actual bonafide racist Holocaust-stuff, actual 1920s Italian fascism would be an /improvement/ on current matters.
I think one thing is missing from reporting on EU-matters in the USA (and as you can evidently see, national elections are EU-matters, have been for decades really - it's just that now they are so inept the meddling is done in the open) and that is how utterly incompetent, innefficient and baffling inept the EU is. I really think even channels highly critical of the Union thinks too highly of it.
Example: before 1995, the EU hotly debated how to handle migration. The fear was for waves of millions of poor Russians and other East Bloc peoples flooding into the Union, causing all kinds of problems.
As in, the issue of uncontrolled migration was fully understood. But since the members couldn't create a unified policy on how outer border control was to function, virtually nothing at all was done. And by 2005, the issue was moot as uncontrolled migration from MENA and Africa was a fait accompli.
If you imagine a car about to go over a cliff, that's the EU: the French don't want to let a German work the steering wheel, the Greek want to know who's to pay for the gas, the Italian is selling insurance, the German is stepping on the gas to show who's in control, and the Swedes are singing "Kumbaya!" in the backseat.
Rikard, I wish I could give you more than one “like” for that paragraph starting “If you can imagine a car about to go over a cliff …”. It made me smile, despite feeling quite despondent about our collective future.
Just be sure you're indicting those folks for their illegal and unconstitutional ACTIONS rather than their WORDS (sticks and stones...). And, as opposed to the highly freighted 'fascist' suggest more sharply defined terms such as authoritarian, dictator, enemy of the people, destroyer of all things good and holy, etc.
As far as European citizens "rising up," this is no time for joking or indulging one's fantasies. The decadence and headlong destruction of Europe's hallowed national cultures cannot be halted—it necessarily proceeds apace, slowly at first then all of a sudden. Let it least be a lesson to others now and for all time.
The 20th century should have been the lesson for all time, if one were possible. Most of the population hasn't the faintest idea how much blood was shed in "democratic republics".
Agree entirely. Labels often give the game away. Always check a protest for the organization behind the pre-printed and professionally assembled protest signs and banners. "Socialist Worker" or some other front organization for modern communists is never far from the fray.
As I've mentioned here before, the official name of what is more commonly know as "The Berlin Wall" was "The Antifascist Protection Rampart". To, y'know, "protect" East Germans from those horrible fascists in West Berlin.
Of course, I think everyone still recalls which direction the guns were pointing. Oddly enough, they didn't seem to have too much trouble keeping the West Berliners from coming into East Berlin, only the other way around. How strange.
that's right, because the ones that claim to be "anti-fascists" are the actual fascists. It is the old war is peace and freedom is slavery. It is always the opposite of what the globalists/totalitarians say.
My fear is that the will to physically resist has been bred out of Western populations. The Left is certainly counting on that and the capitulation to the COVID tyranny supports that bet.
In my opinion, it is lack of leadership, lack of organization, and lack of a viable strategy. If these three were solved, the public support would be more than sufficient. 10% support in UK would be millions of partisans. This is what TPTB fear; which is why they go overboard on suppression, repression, legal over-reach, propaganda, censorship, and ‘making examples’ of minor transgressions.
I don’t think that’s possible for any population tbh. I remember reading about the Comanche Indians , who were driven off their land to near extinction by the Apache iirc. Then a few of them discovered horses and rebounded with a ferocious vengeance, creating the empire of the summer moon. History is cyclical, we’re just stuck in a frustrating doldrum of the cycle. It won’t last forever, but Europe will.
Jim Brown said: "It's morbidly fascinating that the 'anti-fascists' have adopted overtly fascist techniques"
The "anti-fascists" have a ready answer: "We are only doing what Germans should have done in 1933 to stop Hitler."
So they won't be impressed by the apparent irony. It's their comparison of today's "populist" parties to the Nazis that needs to be confronted, and that's a matter of facts rather than logic.
All ideologues, when in power, tend to totalitarianism. Whether they're religious or secular ideologues matters not a bit. It's long standing historical pattern.
The left has always been totalitarian, while the techniques it uses to express that power lust vary. Today they're fascists, so they have to scream, "Look! Over there! Fascists!" It works because most people accept the idea that fascism is somehow to the "right" of other varieties of socialism, and that it's somehow worse than the other versions.
The kakistocracy is desperate to keep people from learning that fascism isn't remotely "right wing," that it is in fact socialism and as left as it gets, and that it's exactly what they've been practicing since at least the end of WW2, if one defines it as nominal private ownership of property and de facto government control of it. They're equally desperate to make people forget that democracy isn't the same thing as freedom.
To quote David Horowitz: "Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out." Europe's politicians just can't help revealing themselves, and they will eventually get the blood they're secretly lusting after. They won't like it as much as they think they will.
Brit? If so, you will recall UAF - Unite Against Fascism. Way before Antifa, but like Antifa, completely espoused Fascist methods to attack whatever. I guess it's more prevalent now given that Academia now mostly produces retards.
> Le Pen’s sentence confirms an ominous anti-democratic tactic emerging across Europe, namely attacks on the passive suffrage of opposition politicians.
How very "American Department of Justice" of them...
Time for another JD Vance speech, and maybe a pointed question...are countries that suspend democracy like this eligible to remain in NATO? Is this what NATO is for? To protect dictatorships?
Side note, but related, we can also throw in the stolen elections in Brazil and what that "supreme court" did to President Bolsonaro. Same globalist thing.
This is explicitly enshrined in the preamble to the North Atlantic Treaty, which also affirms the commitment to defending the shared heritage of its members:
"The Parties... are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty, and the rule of law."
The only purpose NATO had was to resist an armed offensive by the Soviet Union. With the collapse of the USSR and Warsaw Pact in 1991, it has no purpose. The intended role oif the United Nations was to prevent another general war in Europe. The UN has failed this test every time it's been put to the test.
As Alistair Cooke said about the League of Nations (predecessor to the U.N.): "they [have] no shot to fire." Ultimately, this is why NATO continues. NATO's existence allows the U.N. to pretend to be effective.
Now that the Trump administration is deporting people for speech I don't think Vance is in any position any longer to give lectures about free expression.
I realize that the Jews are responsible for all the world's evils, but no one is being deported for speech.
People are having their visas revoked for supporting designated terror orgs, which is something they must swear not to do while in America.
Guests on visas are (obviously) not citizens, do not have all the rights of citizens, and there is established precedent for deporting people for supporting terror groups, even if that support is just pamphleteering, donating or being in contact with an overseas supporter of a designated terror org.
Also, they are not being sent to gulag or guillotine, just put on a plane back home. All this is well within the rights of any sane govt, which is just protecting and prioritizing the civil rights of its own citizens, over those of guests.
The US govt reserves the right to revoke anyone's visa and they don't really need a reason. OK fine. But the category of green card is different to a visa and so there is a higher threshold.
Of course, green card holders are not yet citizens so realistically the govt can always invent new laws or cite national security concerns if it wants to find a way to deport someone.
The question is: do we want this to happen, seemingly arbitrarily? Are we comfortable with it becoming a power that is wielded with frequency? And -- crucially -- in what ways might such a power expand? Could it be used against people who are on our side or aligned with our interests?
Everyone who supports the right to free speech, protest and freedom of association should be asking themselves these questions. Rather than cheering on govt actions against people whose views we find reprehensible we should be willing to look at the issue more closely and consider if there might be any second-order effects -- or whether scope creep is likely.
> Are we comfortable with it becoming a power that is wielded with frequency?
Against people who are not merely members of, but actually hold a leadership role in an organization which calls for the destruction of western civilization in general, and the United States of America in particular?
Yes. Yes I am.
I will agree that the Ozturk deportation *may* be excessive, from what I have heard, she ... "only" wrote an article defending the massacre and mass rape of Israeli civilians.
But Khalil was the person I referenced above in a leadership position in an org severely hostile to the nation. Taal engaged in sufficient violence that even his lefty school actually suspended him twice.
If I invite people over and they drop trou and take a shit on the living room carpet, I'm throwing them out.
I absolutely agree that the potential for scope creep is there. It *does* actually concern me. But many of the people being caught up in the net these days... honestly, *nobody* who is doing those things is "on my side", no matter which "side" *they* are on. I would strongly prefer that the feds be very, very deliberate and transparent about all of this, specifically to ward off future scope creep.
I appreciate your comment and will try to answer your questions:
Do we want this to happen, seemingly arbitrarily?
I guess this is "arbitrary" in the sense that the people detained seem to have been caught off guard, yet at the same time some of them (Khalil) were already lawyered up. Once Trump won all this became a distinct possibility.
Do we want it to become a power that is frequently wielded?
Probably not, but on the other hand it's not unprecedented. I believe prior admins did this to people connected to everyone from Al-Qaeda to the Tamil Tigers.
How might it be abused?
Just about every govt power could be abused, and if a Dem wins in 2028, I wouldn't want to be visiting America while being an Israeli from the West Bank. But politics is always about the friend/enemy distinction and rewarding the former while punishing the latter. (Probably the most recent American example that comes to mind is how differently treated were the Jan 6 rioters vs the BLM rioters.)
And is there a chance it could be used against people we see as being on our side or aligned with our interests?
Absolutely yes, but we can add this to the list of tools both parties use to punish their enemies: IRS audits, FBI probes, de-banking, TSA frisking etc.
I am not approaching this as a lawyer or as any kind of disinterested analyst, I will confess to a heavy bias. My wife and her family are Jewish, anti-Jewish pogroms have been a fact of life throughout the modern West as long as the modern West has existed, and the "pro-Palestinian" protests have been uniquely hateful and ugly. Not only did all these orgs these people belong to celebrate the 10/7 massacre, they called for more, tore down hostage posters and shut down public spaces while chanting for the destruction of the Jewish state. This is not Free Nelson Mandela or England out of Ireland that we're dealing with, "From the River to the Sea" obviously means the erasure of Israel and "Globalize the Intifada" obviously means attack Jews wherever you may find them.
I will never weep for a Hamasnik, certainly not one that is only being punished by being sent home to mom and dad, but I understand and accept that others have different values and opinions.
"The question is: do we want this to happen, seemingly arbitrarily?" After 1.5 seconds of thought, the clear answer is "No, I don't want whatever fuckwit happens to be the current secretary of state to yank green cards because they have some dislike of that person's legal activities. That is totally insane, un-American, and would have far reaching consequences."
"supporting designated terror orgs" with their speech, oh noze!! Ship them all to El Salvador immediately, no due process needed. Remember when the Biden admin considered traditional Catholics terrorist adjacent? Or unhappy parents who dared complain at PTA meetings? Or people who pray too close to abortion clinics? Hey, if we can't ship 'em out of the country there's plenty of prison space in Louisiana where they can cool their heels for a while!" I gotta say, this welcoming response from supposed patriots who just 30 seconds ago lived through the J6 show trials, years-long trespassing sentences for the wrong type of people, and all the rest just shocks the hell out of me. Maybe us Trump supporters really are that fucking dumb.
Foreigners are not entitled to the same free speech protections as American citizens. They are guests here, and we allow them to come based on the presumption that they will conduct themselves in accordance with our laws, and on their visa applications they must swear not to support terorrist groups. Whipping up campus protests on behalf of Hamas, or shutting down access to public spaces as part of a political demonstration, is not acceptable behavior for a noncitizen we have allowed into our country — even if the same behavior might be legal for a U.S. citizen.
It may come as a surprise to you, but laws for non-citizens are considerably different than those for citizens. For example, the Privacy Act does not apply to them. They do not have to be charged with a crime to have violated the terms and conditions of their visas. They do not have Miranda rights, and they do not have to be provided with an attorney. Most immigration actions are not reviewable by the judiciary. "Due process" for non-citizens under the Immigration and Naturalization Act is not what would be provided to a citizen.
Visa holders have the same freedom of speech rights as US citizens, however, if they use their words or actions to undermine our country’s sovereignty and/or limit our citizens freedoms, they should expect to suffer the consequences. The consequence is not criminal, it is for them to be sent home.
Far too many Americans of Jewish family background have converted to the Woke Progressive Religion. They have turned their back on the Jewish People in order to stand up for DEI "social justice." American values do not include advocating for the genocide of Jews and harassing Jews wherever they are found. Nor do American values include lobbying for the destruction of America. That most American Jews support Israel is not "Israeli interference in their country."
Trump is deporting Hamas tentacles. Do some research. They’ve been exposed. They ARE Hamas and Hamas is a rightly designated Foreign Terror Entity.
Do you like today’s France? You ain’t seen nothing yet. Le Pen knows. You lost the democratically elected leader who would have been the Woman Who Saved France. Just like Germany’s RfD, Romania’s Georgescu, UK’s Farage.. not only did they get screwed, beautiful, cultural, free Europe got screwed. Disgusting fascist suicidal globalism.
Israel critics aren’t being deported. Hamas, Hezbollah operatives who are not only providing material support to terror entities, destroying property, inciting violence occupy campuses, classrooms and denying Jewish or Jewish/Israel supporters entry, terrorizing them and holding them hostage, as well as janitors and maintenance workers, are funded by foreign entitities, distributing Hamas materials and toolkits and now it’s been exposed had advanced knowledge of the attack are.
I find it outrageous that calling for the killing of Jews , white people and burning America to the ground isn’t enough.
In Europe, if a native born citizen dares criticize Muslims or the government, they’re prosecuted, but if Islamist migrants block entire city streets, perpetrate acts of violence, operate and partipate in grooming gangs of which the underaged, abused hostages are white citizens, the abused, naive born citizen victims are blamed and the abusers are you” victims of Islamophobia”. Tommy Robinson is in prison.
I remember years back seeing Brigitte Bardot on the stand being prosecuted for the crime of wanting the burka banned. Because nothing says freedom and enightenment like owned covered groom head to toe in black wool shapeless floor length, long sleeved sacks and veiled head and face coverings with an inch opening for their eyes but not brows.
To be quite explicit, if a non-citizen engages in speech indicating that the country should be destroyed, I am, in fact, perfectly comfortable with that person being deported.
If they weren't Israel critics, there is a roughly 0.00000000001% chance that they would be deported. And please enumerate any crimes that Mahmoud Khalil has been charged with. I'll wait.
Not obstructing the goals of the U.S. of the U.S. State department is an explicit requirement of them getting their visa. They all agreed to it in writing. It is about as American as you can get. If it is so disgusting they shouldn't have agreed to it when they applied for a visa.
according to Reuter's research, you are correct. Does not invalidate the sensibility of the statement, whether you agree with the speaker's views or not.
Which illegals are you referring to? You might note that the constitution does not apply only to citizens, and does in fact apply even to people here illegally. This is why, for example, you cannot just take them off the streets and send them to work camps for the rest of their lives, or chop off their fingers for stealing or God knows what. It is the constitution and nothing else.
You just wait until a Democrat administration uses similar powers and then some against any visa or green card holder that is deemed a "threat to democracy" or peddler of "misinformation".
It isn't about being either of those or anything else. It is about being honest in your visa application. If you include your intentions are to actively organize protests against the State department policies and you still get a visa, then go ahead and be an activist all you want.
Subject to all the usual legal limitations of course. EG: if you lose your student status for illegal activities and you are here on a student visa, then off you go. And it isn't the job of any of the relevant agencies to determine if the loss of the student status was fair by some standard. It doesn't matter if the student status was withdrawn for farting in the elevator too much. If you are foreigner, your designated status changes and that draws the attention of the authorities.....then bend over, put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye because you are out of here. As it always has been previously and should continue to be.
What are we waiting for? It will still be true, unless the law is changed.
Seriously. Being here without being a citizen is accepting the risk of not being one. This includes even a close friend of mine who has been married and held a green card for long enough that he could easily have become one by now but is essentially too lazy to actually do so. Possibly with a side order of being too snobbishly British to do so. ;)
The Second doesn't have exceptions for age, state of residence, type of arm, or anything remotely like that, but see what the left has done to it. I'm sure you won't mind us reciprocating in kind.
With the left, what you get is bupkus no matter what you want. We're tired of re-enacting Bill Cosby's "Flip of The Coin." It's time the left got a taste of the left's rules. We won't stop until they've smoked the entire pack.
I'm sorry. I must have become a little confused about this thread. I thought we were talking about foreign students and their activities.
By definition, they are *not* citizens with all the constitutional rights attendant with being a U.S. citizen. Many of those rights are temporarily extended to them as a matter of courtesy and fairness. But they can be withdrawn in order to remove them if need be.
I think you are talking about the graduate student here on a student visa who wrote an op-ed favorable to Hamas. While I am not in favor of visas being revoked for political opinions being expressed in op-eds, I am also aware that that's probably not the only problematic thing about her. And it seems reasonable to me that citizens of other countries here on visas should be expected not to praise terrorists, organize or participate in vandalism or in occupying buildings, etc., while they're here.
Vance’s speech in Múnich was the most significant political speech since JFK’s Ich Bin ein Berliner. Europeans were placed were they belonged - that they have become irrelevant in great power politics.
and then he took a big shit on it when the Trump administration started rounding up Israel critics. It was nice while it lasted but history is going to remember him under “hypocrite”, a crowded entry full of mediocrities.
You are -- purposely or not -- misinformed. Deporting people only applies to temporary residents, not American citizens, who are free to spout all the nonsense they want. Except that they could be sued in civil court for defamation.
How can anyone be disgusted by a visa holder having it revoked? Have you ever lived in Europe as a foreign national? Speaking as someone who has been so for over 6 years now, let me tell you, they also do the same thing if you piss them off and aren't a protected group.
Whilst I completely agree with the arguments supporting Palestine—and even Hamas, frankly—foreigners shouldn't vote or get involved in politics. It's a policy I apply to myself, and which should be law. Naturalisation is bullshit.
They tend to be rather unpleasant places. I'm not coming at this from the perspective of being pro this or that, anti this or that.
I merely think the Trump Administration should proceed with caution on this issue. It does feel like particular viewpoints and activist activities are being targeted and not others.
That said, I don't have all the information and I'm happy to stand corrected. Maybe there is a lot more to the Khalil case in particular that hasn't yet been revealed.
The consistent application of free speech principles is the biggest thing many of us are fighting for so we need to be vigilant. Us Europeans really want the U.S. to set an example for what a free society could look like. It lost its way post-9/11 (probably post-WWII, in fact), culminating in Biden's covid authoritarianism and censorship regime.
I adon't pretend that there is never a balance to strike between liberty and safety. National security is a legitimate concern for any state. But it also provides a flexible framework for all types of overreach.
> It does feel like particular viewpoints and activist activities are being targeted and not others.
I mean... yes? Of course that's true. That seems very blatantly like a *good* thing. The Trump Administration isn't deporting people for protesting in favor of continuing the US support of the war in Ukraine. They aren't deporting people protesting against the closing of various federal agencies.
They are, in fact, exercising severe discrimination in who they are targeting for deportation. They're deporting non-citizens for advocating in favor of genocide. Them being discriminating about who they are deporting is a feature, not a bug.
We have to put up with that shit from citizens. We are not required to put up with it from guests.
>They're deporting non-citizens for advocating in favor of genocide.
It is just amazing how much targeted disinformation is being spread in this thread so pervasively. The two students from Columbia and Tufts were arrested simply because they publicly criticized Israel's plausible genocide, as determined by an international court last year. Their expressions were consistent with the majority of student union votes. Their arrests came at the explicit instigation of Betar USA, an Israeli youth organization that has advocated terrorism. Former prime ministers like Begin and Shamir belonged to that organization in their early careers. From the warped perspective of these Israeli fanatics any criticism of Israel's murderous military activities equals support for Hamas. The US State Department is abusing a vague and over-broad and open-ended – therefore controversial – "working" definition of antisemitism, which includes simply noticing things that have been shown to be empirically true.
Firstly, viewpoints and activist activity on their own should not be targeted in this way. The US has always had strong protections for free speech, academic freedom, protest, etc.
Secondly my point is that there are plenty of anti-establishment movements that are not being targeted. Pro-Palestine positions are being treated as singularly threatening to national security... Why not BLM? Or pro-CCP? And so on.
Some people are too willing to treat pro-Palestine positions as on par with terrorism. But I expect there to be a high burden of proof before equating activist activity with being a Hamas operative or a member of a terror cell.
But fine, let's accept that the US govt wants to start taking a militant approach to deportation based on professed ideological viewpoints. The question is, what does that look like down the road? Because, as we saw during covid, national security frameworks can be applied to just about anything. A future administration could deport green card holders who question vaccine science or who are critical of DEI.
The administration's actions against cartels, convicted criminals, and illegal border-crossers are effective and popular. In contrast, going after green card holders for vague reasons is not having tangible effects (whereas seeing a 90% drop in illegals entering the country is very tangible!).
I think the Trump Administration saw these deportations as low-hanging fruit and a chance to grab headlines. Basically, good publicity for engaging the MAGA base. In reality, though, these actions are divisive and ideologically inconsistent, all while creating legal headaches. It's a distraction people don't need when there's so many priorities.
So if you look at the First Amendment you will see this phrase you are using (“protected free speech”) does not appear in it. The limits on speech in the U.S. are on immediate incitement. In fact in the U.S. you are allowed to utter pro-Nazi and pro-KKK speech. The old ACLU — not the current incarnation — defended a famous case about it.
this was actually tried against trump in the usa - using a constitutional provision aimed at preventing civil war era politicians from quickly regaining too much power after the war.
that is why every tv reporter in the usa started using the term "insurrection" as though it were a perfectly normal everyday term instead of the more commonplace terms for trump's jan 6th march to the capitol (aka the fedsurrection).
The "insurrection" theme was concocted by the Democrats, always very clever with words, before the event, which turned out to be no more than a demonstration that turned somewhat riotous.
Yes. Exactly. And what Europe is going to experience is the height of hypocrisy.
This is the kind of shit that would happen in Brazil or Russia or Zimbabwe and lib media experts would explain to us how this obviously was the regime striking down on its political opponents with bogus charges.
Prime ministers would then go out and “condemn” the country in question.
Please take note of how western leftists/main streamers/normies will say “she’s a convicted felon, the candidates I like don’t get imprisoned which is evidence of their moral superiority and goodness".
Absolutely. And the tactic failed only because Trump is a unique individual with seemingly boundless energy, determination, and a great deal of money. Hence the next element in the program: an assassination attempt practically under the noses of the "security" detail, although its degree of connivance is more difficult to assert than is simple incompetence. The most conspicuous proof of the latter was the female Secret Service agent about 2 heads shorter than Trump who was between him and the assassin. Did she duck to enable the murder or was she merely and simply stupid? I've never heard the results of the post-mortem, if there was any.
Did you watch his inauguration? During the swearing in his family stood very tight around him, forming a shield. It was both terrifying and inspiring. These people get it.
And it "turned riotous" only AFTER Capitol Police, simultaneously at a signal, turned snd fired LTL munitions at the faces of protesters who previously were doing nothing.
> I very much fear that the new villains of the antifascist programme are simply the people, who are destroying “democracy” with their unchecked personal aspirations, prejudices and wayward beliefs. They will try to bring us to heel too, via what tactics we can only imagine.
This is an absolute fact and has blatantly been the case for a decade now in Germany.
And look this will continue because life in Europe is still pretty nice. Most people are not ready to actually do the step beyond voting, as in what you need to do when voting doesn't work or it's usurped
And there's no guarantees that life will get so bad. And does anyone really want that? I don't.
Huh? The guarantee of what future "life" will look like in Europe, the USA, Asia, and all the other developed regions of the world is in their TFRs. Read 'em and weep. It's over. Elon says so.
I'm afraid the Western Europeans, including the UK, have truly had it for a while. It is outright repression being practiced by the EU-allied political class, and they will ban you, via the Digital Services Act, the European Human Rights Court (a joke) and the GDPR, from saying what you think if you happen to live in Western Europe. I see increasing Muslim-male immigration to those countries, absolutely open borders, and God knows what will happen next ... A desiccated and weak continent for now. I hope Hungary, Italy and Slovakia can survive under these conditions. The EU is truly the gravedigger ...
UK also now prosecuting white males for harsher sentences than all other groups. UK is absolutely insane right now. Biden/Obama/Kamala/CIA were definitely trying to do the same in the US.
Exactly. The globalist elite are intrinsic to the 5 eyes countries, and for obvious reasons. They use woke and lawfare to advance their goals. Zero concern for their actual citizens.
The incredible survival of Trump, blessed by the help of Musk, gives the USA a chance to fight off the darkness consuming the EU.
In the U.S., we know what this repression means ... see the last nine years ... Their spine must be broken so they can't operate ... they look to Western Europe for inspiration and succor ...
In Orwellian fashion, it appears the current Brussels powers that be have redefined democracy to mean their rule. therefore, if they are not ruling, democracy has died. and of course, they cannot allow democracy to die, right?
QUOTE: "... the current Brussels powers that be have redefined democracy to mean their rule."
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In the U.S., Nancy Pelosi correctly talked about saving "OUR DEMOCRACY" which meant holding innocent civilians in solitary confinement for four (4) years. It was indeed the Democracy of Nancy and her gang.
Nancy's father was the mobbed-up mayor of Baltimore, Thomas D'Alesandro Jr.
This is interesting, because the precedent is that being a convicted fraudster doesn't stop French women from taking top, unelected, jobs in the Eureaucracy. I wonder why the double standards?
You might very well mention someone by name, I couldn't POSSIBLY comment...
Some years ago, and for some several years, Viv and Mario Draghi shared a favourite sushi restaurant. Viv will be careful not to impugn the character of important people.
But this is always true. If there's not a real, tangible enemy, there becomes the invisible enemy only the prophet can see and only by whose doctrines we can all be saved.
I love your analyses of factual events; each of these is happening in real time in our present lives; but the mechanism is eternal to civilization which borrowed the methods from our primal pack heritage. Exclude the lone wolf and hope it dies. Weak lone wolves do. But the lone wolf with alpha genes will attract enough followers to form its own pack and fight to define its own territory.
We can learn all sorts of things from the advancement of scientific thinking and from the navel-gazings of philosophers in every era, but we can't trump biology.
Yes, I think it's true that there is something oppositional about nation states in general. In prior eras, the enemies were generally foreign rivals. Something happened after WWII, and we ended up with ideological enemies instead – opposed to a defunct fascism and a weak and declining communism (the Cold War). Thereafter we went after an atmospheric gas and the industrialists responsible for releasing it, and now we're going after people who find this kind of crazy politics to be a problem.
I'm speaking primarily about the view from Europe, here. The United States, as an imperial power, has largely maintained a clearer view of geopolitical rivalries, although these faded for a time at the end of history.
The technocrats of financial capital hate the rabble. This is the last frontier, dominating the peasants via monopolized ownership of resources, aka Gaza: Land, water, energy, medicine, food, accompanied by surveillance and violence. We are all Palestinians.
Nothing healthy ever comes from guilt which is a way of emasculating power and stealing it.
Trump is too fucked up to be a complete masculine hero but he's enough of one to make the left, everywhere, hysterical. As you often write, (I paraphrase of course) the femael anti-energy is trying to blow up the core.
"Trump is too fucked up" breaks easily. President Trump never was a statesman, diplomat nor politician. That explains his appeal & popularity. He tells it like it is. Sure beats governance by a dementia addled autopen.
Anybody to the right of Stalin is a Far Right racist, fascist, White Nationalist Nativist apartheid Nazi Putin Puppet Traitor and the “ Greatest Threat To Democracy”. Essentially they project their totalitarian globalist jack booted powerlust and insatiable desire to crush, control and decimate the human spirit.
Agreed. To me, TERF is just a synonym for "women who has a political view but isn't pathologically demented". Forget "Hamas", trannies should be designated a banned group.
They are positively giddy over on Reddit. As I keep saying every time some norm is demolished thoughtlessly by the left, I guarantee that no one will like what comes next
What makes this unlikely is the incompatibility between the global left's policy of preaching total civilian disarmament and the peculiar American tradition of flipping such tyrants the bird.
It delivers absolutely pessimal results for the left, as their own cult members enthusiastically disarm, while everyone else remains prepared to rumble.
I hope you are right. It is one of the fights of my life and it is lasting a lot. Since covid is even worse, everybody parrots the same stuff and if you say different -> negationist.
I don't know in other countries but here in Spain the change since covid is obvious. For example, before covid no car commercial mentioned electricity, now all do.
Covid vax was more important at some point for me, but just because they wanted to inject me and my family. But aldo climate shit is used to try to change my life.
When the same happened in post-2014 Ukraine, where every non-globalist-aligned party was criminalized and journalists killed and made to disappear, no one in the West cared and blindly "stood with Ukraine", which actually meant misery and open genocide of its population. Ukrainians could not believe anything of what happens to them now could ever happen. Wars were for some far away lands only. Those few who clearly saw the trajectory to war were brushed aside as crazies and ignored. From what I see, literally no one wants to destroy Europe except for a small bunch of bankers/elites. Even Americans and Russians seem to be united in their love for Europe and its culture, enjoy travelling there and would hate to see it destroyed. Is there someone brave enough in Europe who can turn the tide, because if not, it's scary to even think what is in store for us all?
In a weird way it would be better if Putler actually did have an eye to conquering Europe. It might sharpen at least a few minds that are far too fuzzy. People might pay attention to the actual state of EU militaries, and why they are that way, if they really thought there was a threat.
So it looks like they're going to destroy democracy to "save democracy". A now familiar refrain in western countries. In the US, our media and leftist politicians hold Zelenskyy on a pedestal and talk about fighting for Ukraine to "save democracy". Funny thing, I thought democracy included fair elections. Zelenskyy cancelled Ukraine's elections last year. I guess that's part of "saving democracy". The media and politicians think people are stupid. Unfortunately, many are.
Trump, Bolsonaro, Georgescu and now Le Pen (not to mention the AfD in Germany.) Political persecution intent on disenfranchising citizens. The only thing that saved Trump - because it informed the U.S. Supreme Court - were the 400 million firearms in the hands of private citizens.
Ditto Zeman, Truss , Malvini, Shinzo Abe,Spain, Peru, Austria, Columbia,Honduras, Chile, Greece, Paraguay, Dominican Republic,Myanmar, Vietnam, Belize, Solomon Islands, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan,Portugal… all were couped and facing the same shit. Prosecution, imprisonment, financial ruin, attempted assassination, assassination
Modi, Orban, Bukele, Milei, Netanyahu, MBS, UAE, Serbia, Wilders are all dealing with infiltration and smears, chaos agents… same players. Soros and Spawn, of course, NGOS - USAID money laundering, but the epicenter of evil is the UN and its flank. WEF, Trilateral Commission, Chatham House, Club of Rome, Vatican, Council on Foreign Affairs, CCP,Qatar and the ignominious Five Eyes/CIA
Was and is are two different things. Sometimes people have epiphanies when they realize the errors of their ways.
When Trump was on the debate stage in 2016, he took responsibility for his own bad actions that contributed to the rot. Including pay for play, hiring illegals and realizing he “was the problem”. It was at that moment he won my support. And I knew him personally. Worked on a 2 year project in the Trump World Tower and often had lunch with him in my client’s kitchen. He was terrific, but I needed to be convinced he was a serious candidate. He wasn’t a dyed in the wool “Conservative”. Neither was I. He’s still not. Neither am I. But given only two options, and the other Party is hatred and destruction, I’ll opt for the non-Extinctionist one.
What might you be suggesting Mr. Rudey? Asking for a friend…
And many Prayers for the “deplorables” across the Pond… We are many. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
If you don’t know who called us, “deplorable’s,” look it up…
One more little factoid, I have never met an American that just has ONE firearm… in fact, I met a man one time that probably had 100 in his garage. Quite the collector… 😈 We have MANY collectors over here…
I think midget Macron and his old husband are in for it. I would not be surprised to see a modern-day version of a Bastille-storming. The French don't like being ignored. If Le Pen was that popular I am guessing this won't just end without a fight.
Western Europe has been dying for several decades, it just took until the last 10 years for most people to see the decay. The EU as an international body that supercedes state government sovereignty merely lays bare what soft handed Euro elites have desired since at least the post-modern navel gazing of the 1970s.
It’s not dying. It’s repression and subjugation by an unaccountable elite who activate the brainwashed masses to perpetuate internal conflict and prevent any opposition to their rule. Macron wears an $80,000 watch. Europe isn’t dying; it’s just creating a slide toward peasantry and serfdom; where rights are selectively granted to the lousy by an arbitrary and self-serving Sovereign who owe fealty as a vassal to the E.U. empire that controls 23 nations. It is becoming very European, circa 1400.
Yeah I agree, this will take some time. Still, I believe uprisings in Europe are going to be HUGE in the next few years, given what they are being subjected to. Stuff like losing their ability to speak freely, having thought police at their doors, and immigrants taking over and living off the dole. UK and Germany are especially bad. France not much better.
I'm in the UK and (unfortunately) I disagree with your prediction.
There will be spurts of rioting perhaps but the masses are not going to be engaging in any uprisings anytime soon.
Shocking as it may sound, many people are apolitical -- just disengaged from it all. They don't pay attention to news or politics and if they consume media it's always MSM headlines and only fleetingly.
So most people don't know the extent to which their rights are suppressed and if they get angry at all, it's about tangible stuff like inflation, which they blame on "the right" or "conservatives" or "corporate greed". They don't connect a declining economy with broader trends. Even high immigration is treated like some inevitability rather than something the government could (and should) take action on.
There have been a lot of uprisings in recent years, but I do think there will be a tipping point, where they get much bigger. The question is, will it change anything? I don't know. The globalists really seem to have the upper hand.
The closest thing to an "uprising" was the Canadian Truckers, and they got completely co-opted by do-gooder professional protestors. They had Ottawa by the balls all they had to do was take it. People are wayyy too cucked to ever do what is truly necessary. The only way there has ever been change is by *force*, all "non-violent" protest is fake and gay, it's never won any power ever.
The Norwegians dumped manure on their government buildings. Or was that the French? The French kidnapped someone, wouldn't let them leave a building. They also have had some others... I admit I don't keep track much, but a lot of them do pop up in the news.
It is now 6 years since the mysterious massive fire that destroyed most of Notre Dame de Paris in 2019.
Given what we have seen on the POLITICAL stage since then, does it seem MORE or LESS likely that Macron personally instigated the event, likely by a wink and a nudge? "Who will rid me of this turbulent church?"
A completely state-endorsed and sanctioned thing, too. Hundreds of churches don't spontaneously combust. Someone is organised and mobilised for it, and yet there is never any deep investigation.
It's morbidly fascinating that the "anti-fascists" have adopted overtly fascist techniques, such as systematically crushing the opposition. My fear is that we have two generations of Europeans who have never seen blood in the streets, so they are not afraid of it. They are likely to blunder into something they will regret.
And with that we inch closer to WW3.
All it takes is one shot to be fired.
Let's hope not. Another related possibility could be popular uprisings. The problem is everywhere. For example, the suppression of speech in the UK seems like a bomb with a faulty fuse.
"The United Kingdom, once a bastion of stability and constitutional governance, now teeters on the brink of civil war, according to a dire warning from Professor David Betz, a leading academic and government advisor. In a recent podcast appearance with journalist Louise Perry, Betz, who teaches at King’s College London and has advised the UK Ministry of Defence and GCHQ, declared that British society is “explosively configured” for mass unrest. He predicts a national eruption within five years, driven by the government’s failure to secure borders, protect citizens, maintain freedom of speech and sustain social cohesion"
https://www.newstarget.com/2025-03-05-professor-predicts-mass-unrest-within-five-years-in-uk.html
And they go along with the theme of most of these western "democracies" of disarming their population and then inflict the worst kind of injustices upon them, all in the name of "tolerance and peace". But in reality, it is the exact opposite as the brilliant author, Mr. Orwell, so perfectly articulated in his novel, 1984.
Orwell worked at the BBC and for the Government, so I think he was writing about his own country (I used to believe his books were about Russia , not anymore).
100%, I think he was too, not just because "we have always been at war with Eurasia", which is Russia, in my estimation. The Soviet/Stalin jack boot example was the most glaring one at the time he wrote 1984. We could visualize Big Brother as Joe Stalin, because of the Party and the control that was maintained over the party.
I predict 1 year!!!
I predict Summer of 2025.
Well I was going to say that, but I didn’t want to pre-empt it??? Here’s hoping they start deporting and the locals can breathe again 🙏. ((That ain’t gonna happen!!!)
What would they fight with? Pointy sticks? Rocks?
Molotov Cocktails.
Ahhhhhh, the *real* reason they're trying to outlaw gasoline... ;)
They will become the weapon, to be used by a faction of the ruling class.
QUOTE: Betz, who teaches at King’s College London and has advised the UK Ministry of Defence and GCHQ, declared that British society is “explosively configured” for mass unrest ...
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Indeed - "explosively configured" - by Betz's OWN EMPLOYERS.
His appearance on Louise Perry's podcast is very much worth a listen
My family live in Bradford yorkshire. They won’t talk online about it.
They will be arrested if they do. It’s that simple!!! Bloody scary!
sounds even worse than Germany before WW2
And happening faster than in Nazi Germany.
Its really scary...even from 4k miles away in Florida
@Polly styrene
They may be wise in that choice.
WTF!
Holy shit.
I guess my trip to Scotland may be interesting later this spring. I just filled out the new UK ETA application online and paid the fee and obtained my new approval to visit (Passports alone being no longer adequate). I'll be going through Heathrow and one point. I wonder if my viewpoints writing here and elsewhere will cause me any trouble from UK authorities?
Yeah. It'll be interesting. My wife and me are going to the Netherlands, Germany and the Swiss Alps in September for our 25th anniversary.
We're actually a little concerned tbh.
No. You're not a British citizen; you're not a threat to the UK establishment.
What is involved with getting an approval to visit?
I know. It's really hard to believe Europe has fallen this far, this fast.
I'm thinking this is the end result of forming the EU?
I also think part of this has to do with Europe, post WW2, where collectivism became the ethos in order to maintain stability.
Collectivism was supposed to keep Europeans from warring among themselves forever. Eighty years later it's pushing them to war again.
I can't help but think that this is the great "regional management zone" experiment (EU sector) to see how they can manage regional governments, while trying to eliminate any sort of national identity/patriotic love of one's own country. European citizenship vice individual nation.
Next, they will introduce them to "global citizenship". The remaining sectors to be divided up: North American, South American (with central America probably in the NA sector), African sector, Indo/Pacific, SE Asia, etc...
If I recall correctly, Henry Kissinger wrote about this in his "Five star/region economic zone plan". I forget the exact name he called it but it would eventually extend beyond just economic to political/governance, etc.
Hmm...popular uprising everywhere vs. World War 3.
As "Joshua" (in "War Games") asked as to what constituted victory or defeat: "What's the difference?"
a world war of peoples warmongering among each other, while the uppeties... right. Sit in a safe place laughing - no more need for viruses or jabs, they will all kill each other and that is the goal to begin with.
Who's behind this mass killing process and for what purpose? Gotta be a plan: SMERSH, KAOS, Dr. Evil, who?
WEF and UN. It's a bid for political power that transcends nation-states.
@Richard Bicker
On one's personal level, dead is dead whether by political violence or nuclear warfare.
In the greater scheme of things, not inflicting a climate cool down due to a lot of burning cities plus world wide radioisotope contamination first from fallout and then massively more from melted down power reactor cores & too freshly removed spent fuel in pools which couldn't reach cold shutdown or maintain active cooling are certainly worth considering.
I'll let Joshua know. He's always forgetting the primacy of climate concerns over those of humanity. Silly WOPR!
Meh, change the climate just a bit (3° in average temperatures of temperate zone bread basket areas for 2 years could be enough) and the majority of humanity will go away before year 3 is over, probably sooner. Not an independant variable to put it mildly.
Go check out the last several volcanic events which managed rather less than that deviation? There were a pair in 536 and 540 AD with quite noticable effects for some time after, you may recall a little diversion we call the Dark Ages?
Tambora in 1815, see "the year without a Summer" in New England.
Then Krakatau in 1883, another couple of couple of screwed up years.
I mean, I think we all hope not, particularly those of us who lived through the fall of the Soviet Union and had that ever-present shadow of the potential for nuclear annihilation which had hung over us our entire lives suddenly lift. I have *particularly* not enjoyed that cloud once again hanging in my sky. :-/
Yep. And they can only keep up the charade until someone finds a detonator.
I think most of Europe is quite well aware, that warfare will kill the uppeties as well. They are just dancing around the fire pit. The small man is paying the price, but the wealthy are in safe places (just like here in the US they have their hiding places) sipping champagne and eating caviar.
Wars always truly start years before the first shot, and when that first shot rings out, the bien pensants scratch their heads and wonder how nobody saw it coming.
Because everybody look away and ignored the signs.
There's no such thing as an "anti-fascist." The use of the term 'fascist' is self-defining as placing the control of speech above everything else.
Actual fascism is descending on Europe while they play dress up and protest games over electric car companies.
What a joke. The citizens need to rise up NOW
The actual fascists were far more competent, on all issues (including a lot of issues we could have wished for them to not be) than any EU-state is on anything. Barring the warmaking, eugenics and all that actual bonafide racist Holocaust-stuff, actual 1920s Italian fascism would be an /improvement/ on current matters.
I think one thing is missing from reporting on EU-matters in the USA (and as you can evidently see, national elections are EU-matters, have been for decades really - it's just that now they are so inept the meddling is done in the open) and that is how utterly incompetent, innefficient and baffling inept the EU is. I really think even channels highly critical of the Union thinks too highly of it.
Example: before 1995, the EU hotly debated how to handle migration. The fear was for waves of millions of poor Russians and other East Bloc peoples flooding into the Union, causing all kinds of problems.
As in, the issue of uncontrolled migration was fully understood. But since the members couldn't create a unified policy on how outer border control was to function, virtually nothing at all was done. And by 2005, the issue was moot as uncontrolled migration from MENA and Africa was a fait accompli.
If you imagine a car about to go over a cliff, that's the EU: the French don't want to let a German work the steering wheel, the Greek want to know who's to pay for the gas, the Italian is selling insurance, the German is stepping on the gas to show who's in control, and the Swedes are singing "Kumbaya!" in the backseat.
While the car is going oer the edge of the Abyss.
That's the EU.
Rikard, I wish I could give you more than one “like” for that paragraph starting “If you can imagine a car about to go over a cliff …”. It made me smile, despite feeling quite despondent about our collective future.
I am an American. My first thought was to pull out my machine gun and spray "LIKE" bullets for his post all over Substack.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yup. Well said
Just be sure you're indicting those folks for their illegal and unconstitutional ACTIONS rather than their WORDS (sticks and stones...). And, as opposed to the highly freighted 'fascist' suggest more sharply defined terms such as authoritarian, dictator, enemy of the people, destroyer of all things good and holy, etc.
As far as European citizens "rising up," this is no time for joking or indulging one's fantasies. The decadence and headlong destruction of Europe's hallowed national cultures cannot be halted—it necessarily proceeds apace, slowly at first then all of a sudden. Let it least be a lesson to others now and for all time.
The 20th century should have been the lesson for all time, if one were possible. Most of the population hasn't the faintest idea how much blood was shed in "democratic republics".
Anti-fascist was a term created by communists in the 1920s to cover up that they were communists. That’s all it is.
“Anti-fascists” only objection to fascism is that it steals their thunder. They want to be the only authoritarians.
Agree entirely. Labels often give the game away. Always check a protest for the organization behind the pre-printed and professionally assembled protest signs and banners. "Socialist Worker" or some other front organization for modern communists is never far from the fray.
As I've mentioned here before, the official name of what is more commonly know as "The Berlin Wall" was "The Antifascist Protection Rampart". To, y'know, "protect" East Germans from those horrible fascists in West Berlin.
Of course, I think everyone still recalls which direction the guns were pointing. Oddly enough, they didn't seem to have too much trouble keeping the West Berliners from coming into East Berlin, only the other way around. How strange.
that's right, because the ones that claim to be "anti-fascists" are the actual fascists. It is the old war is peace and freedom is slavery. It is always the opposite of what the globalists/totalitarians say.
Hmm...Gentile and IL Duce defined fascism in other ways.
Yes, the anti-fascists are now the fascists.
My fear is that the will to physically resist has been bred out of Western populations. The Left is certainly counting on that and the capitulation to the COVID tyranny supports that bet.
In my opinion, it is lack of leadership, lack of organization, and lack of a viable strategy. If these three were solved, the public support would be more than sufficient. 10% support in UK would be millions of partisans. This is what TPTB fear; which is why they go overboard on suppression, repression, legal over-reach, propaganda, censorship, and ‘making examples’ of minor transgressions.
I don’t think that’s possible for any population tbh. I remember reading about the Comanche Indians , who were driven off their land to near extinction by the Apache iirc. Then a few of them discovered horses and rebounded with a ferocious vengeance, creating the empire of the summer moon. History is cyclical, we’re just stuck in a frustrating doldrum of the cycle. It won’t last forever, but Europe will.
Something something men who died two world wars
Jim Brown said: "It's morbidly fascinating that the 'anti-fascists' have adopted overtly fascist techniques"
The "anti-fascists" have a ready answer: "We are only doing what Germans should have done in 1933 to stop Hitler."
So they won't be impressed by the apparent irony. It's their comparison of today's "populist" parties to the Nazis that needs to be confronted, and that's a matter of facts rather than logic.
I don't find it useful to indulge in denouncing "fascists." It's a motive-based term, and therefore subject to infinite redefinitionsl gaslighting.
I prefer denouncing tyranny and totalitarianism -- operationally-based terms that are empirically true or false.
If you toss me into a concentration camp, I don't care whether your motive was because I lacked a foreskin, or a vaxx card. I'm agin' it.
The way it is looking, they may not regret it compared to the alternative which is outright tyranny.
All ideologues, when in power, tend to totalitarianism. Whether they're religious or secular ideologues matters not a bit. It's long standing historical pattern.
We can only pray they slay back to manhood.
Blood 🩸 is real.
This their only path to survival.
Many of the EU anti-fascists have amazing lineages dating all the way back to WW2.
The left has always been totalitarian, while the techniques it uses to express that power lust vary. Today they're fascists, so they have to scream, "Look! Over there! Fascists!" It works because most people accept the idea that fascism is somehow to the "right" of other varieties of socialism, and that it's somehow worse than the other versions.
The kakistocracy is desperate to keep people from learning that fascism isn't remotely "right wing," that it is in fact socialism and as left as it gets, and that it's exactly what they've been practicing since at least the end of WW2, if one defines it as nominal private ownership of property and de facto government control of it. They're equally desperate to make people forget that democracy isn't the same thing as freedom.
To quote David Horowitz: "Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out." Europe's politicians just can't help revealing themselves, and they will eventually get the blood they're secretly lusting after. They won't like it as much as they think they will.
Want to get INTO socialism/fascism/authoritarianism/any-ism ??? JUST VOTE for it !!!
Want to get OUT of (see above) ??? Emmigrate on time or know how to handle fire-arms.
Brit? If so, you will recall UAF - Unite Against Fascism. Way before Antifa, but like Antifa, completely espoused Fascist methods to attack whatever. I guess it's more prevalent now given that Academia now mostly produces retards.
Most are very comfortable with forms of socialism.
Yes, unfortunately. They want the government in their lives.
They are defending democracy *so fucking hard* I can scarcely believe it.
*makes very sour face*
> Le Pen’s sentence confirms an ominous anti-democratic tactic emerging across Europe, namely attacks on the passive suffrage of opposition politicians.
How very "American Department of Justice" of them...
Time for another JD Vance speech, and maybe a pointed question...are countries that suspend democracy like this eligible to remain in NATO? Is this what NATO is for? To protect dictatorships?
When do we suspend article 5 publicly to punish the EU for thwarting free and fair elections?
This is the THIRD country in the EU to arrest and judicially remove a front-runner.
There has to be consequences for this. I hate meddling in European politics...but this is a serious national security risk for the US.
Side note, but related, we can also throw in the stolen elections in Brazil and what that "supreme court" did to President Bolsonaro. Same globalist thing.
This is explicitly enshrined in the preamble to the North Atlantic Treaty, which also affirms the commitment to defending the shared heritage of its members:
"The Parties... are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty, and the rule of law."
I am not sure what suspending Article 5 is supposed to do.
The only purpose NATO had was to resist an armed offensive by the Soviet Union. With the collapse of the USSR and Warsaw Pact in 1991, it has no purpose. The intended role oif the United Nations was to prevent another general war in Europe. The UN has failed this test every time it's been put to the test.
As Alistair Cooke said about the League of Nations (predecessor to the U.N.): "they [have] no shot to fire." Ultimately, this is why NATO continues. NATO's existence allows the U.N. to pretend to be effective.
NATO is the military wing of the WEF.
Can't make a globalist omelet unless you break a few million eggs.
You have no idea what I’m mad about. I want Israel to ditch the U.S. and UN and rely on itself. They’ll be much better for it.
Abolish the UN and USAID and the world would be better off.
Now that the Trump administration is deporting people for speech I don't think Vance is in any position any longer to give lectures about free expression.
Not speech. Deported for actions.
Nope wrong. Deported for speech. UnAmerican bullshit in the service of Israel.
I realize that the Jews are responsible for all the world's evils, but no one is being deported for speech.
People are having their visas revoked for supporting designated terror orgs, which is something they must swear not to do while in America.
Guests on visas are (obviously) not citizens, do not have all the rights of citizens, and there is established precedent for deporting people for supporting terror groups, even if that support is just pamphleteering, donating or being in contact with an overseas supporter of a designated terror org.
Also, they are not being sent to gulag or guillotine, just put on a plane back home. All this is well within the rights of any sane govt, which is just protecting and prioritizing the civil rights of its own citizens, over those of guests.
Far too much common sense, Clever.
My cup runneth over
lol
hope all is well w you and yours!
Several things can be true at the same time.
The US govt reserves the right to revoke anyone's visa and they don't really need a reason. OK fine. But the category of green card is different to a visa and so there is a higher threshold.
Of course, green card holders are not yet citizens so realistically the govt can always invent new laws or cite national security concerns if it wants to find a way to deport someone.
The question is: do we want this to happen, seemingly arbitrarily? Are we comfortable with it becoming a power that is wielded with frequency? And -- crucially -- in what ways might such a power expand? Could it be used against people who are on our side or aligned with our interests?
Everyone who supports the right to free speech, protest and freedom of association should be asking themselves these questions. Rather than cheering on govt actions against people whose views we find reprehensible we should be willing to look at the issue more closely and consider if there might be any second-order effects -- or whether scope creep is likely.
> Are we comfortable with it becoming a power that is wielded with frequency?
Against people who are not merely members of, but actually hold a leadership role in an organization which calls for the destruction of western civilization in general, and the United States of America in particular?
Yes. Yes I am.
I will agree that the Ozturk deportation *may* be excessive, from what I have heard, she ... "only" wrote an article defending the massacre and mass rape of Israeli civilians.
But Khalil was the person I referenced above in a leadership position in an org severely hostile to the nation. Taal engaged in sufficient violence that even his lefty school actually suspended him twice.
If I invite people over and they drop trou and take a shit on the living room carpet, I'm throwing them out.
I absolutely agree that the potential for scope creep is there. It *does* actually concern me. But many of the people being caught up in the net these days... honestly, *nobody* who is doing those things is "on my side", no matter which "side" *they* are on. I would strongly prefer that the feds be very, very deliberate and transparent about all of this, specifically to ward off future scope creep.
I appreciate your comment and will try to answer your questions:
Do we want this to happen, seemingly arbitrarily?
I guess this is "arbitrary" in the sense that the people detained seem to have been caught off guard, yet at the same time some of them (Khalil) were already lawyered up. Once Trump won all this became a distinct possibility.
Do we want it to become a power that is frequently wielded?
Probably not, but on the other hand it's not unprecedented. I believe prior admins did this to people connected to everyone from Al-Qaeda to the Tamil Tigers.
How might it be abused?
Just about every govt power could be abused, and if a Dem wins in 2028, I wouldn't want to be visiting America while being an Israeli from the West Bank. But politics is always about the friend/enemy distinction and rewarding the former while punishing the latter. (Probably the most recent American example that comes to mind is how differently treated were the Jan 6 rioters vs the BLM rioters.)
And is there a chance it could be used against people we see as being on our side or aligned with our interests?
Absolutely yes, but we can add this to the list of tools both parties use to punish their enemies: IRS audits, FBI probes, de-banking, TSA frisking etc.
I am not approaching this as a lawyer or as any kind of disinterested analyst, I will confess to a heavy bias. My wife and her family are Jewish, anti-Jewish pogroms have been a fact of life throughout the modern West as long as the modern West has existed, and the "pro-Palestinian" protests have been uniquely hateful and ugly. Not only did all these orgs these people belong to celebrate the 10/7 massacre, they called for more, tore down hostage posters and shut down public spaces while chanting for the destruction of the Jewish state. This is not Free Nelson Mandela or England out of Ireland that we're dealing with, "From the River to the Sea" obviously means the erasure of Israel and "Globalize the Intifada" obviously means attack Jews wherever you may find them.
I will never weep for a Hamasnik, certainly not one that is only being punished by being sent home to mom and dad, but I understand and accept that others have different values and opinions.
Thanks
"The question is: do we want this to happen, seemingly arbitrarily?" After 1.5 seconds of thought, the clear answer is "No, I don't want whatever fuckwit happens to be the current secretary of state to yank green cards because they have some dislike of that person's legal activities. That is totally insane, un-American, and would have far reaching consequences."
Time we deported the BBC, given their role as major Hamas supporters.
"supporting designated terror orgs" with their speech, oh noze!! Ship them all to El Salvador immediately, no due process needed. Remember when the Biden admin considered traditional Catholics terrorist adjacent? Or unhappy parents who dared complain at PTA meetings? Or people who pray too close to abortion clinics? Hey, if we can't ship 'em out of the country there's plenty of prison space in Louisiana where they can cool their heels for a while!" I gotta say, this welcoming response from supposed patriots who just 30 seconds ago lived through the J6 show trials, years-long trespassing sentences for the wrong type of people, and all the rest just shocks the hell out of me. Maybe us Trump supporters really are that fucking dumb.
Foreigners are not entitled to the same free speech protections as American citizens. They are guests here, and we allow them to come based on the presumption that they will conduct themselves in accordance with our laws, and on their visa applications they must swear not to support terorrist groups. Whipping up campus protests on behalf of Hamas, or shutting down access to public spaces as part of a political demonstration, is not acceptable behavior for a noncitizen we have allowed into our country — even if the same behavior might be legal for a U.S. citizen.
It may come as a surprise to you, but laws for non-citizens are considerably different than those for citizens. For example, the Privacy Act does not apply to them. They do not have to be charged with a crime to have violated the terms and conditions of their visas. They do not have Miranda rights, and they do not have to be provided with an attorney. Most immigration actions are not reviewable by the judiciary. "Due process" for non-citizens under the Immigration and Naturalization Act is not what would be provided to a citizen.
Visa holders have the same freedom of speech rights as US citizens, however, if they use their words or actions to undermine our country’s sovereignty and/or limit our citizens freedoms, they should expect to suffer the consequences. The consequence is not criminal, it is for them to be sent home.
What Clever said… 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
tell it to the many many American Jews standing up for American values and denouncing Israeli interference in their country.
oh i do it, much more than i should.
but my argument stands: this is not about speech but about the terms of a visa and the grounds upon which it can be revoked.
all these people will have their day in court.
Far too many Americans of Jewish family background have converted to the Woke Progressive Religion. They have turned their back on the Jewish People in order to stand up for DEI "social justice." American values do not include advocating for the genocide of Jews and harassing Jews wherever they are found. Nor do American values include lobbying for the destruction of America. That most American Jews support Israel is not "Israeli interference in their country."
We are deporting unruly GUESTS.
Europe is silencing and disenfranchising their own CITIZENS.
Thank you for stating this so succinctly!
Agree!!!
Trump is deporting Hamas tentacles. Do some research. They’ve been exposed. They ARE Hamas and Hamas is a rightly designated Foreign Terror Entity.
Do you like today’s France? You ain’t seen nothing yet. Le Pen knows. You lost the democratically elected leader who would have been the Woman Who Saved France. Just like Germany’s RfD, Romania’s Georgescu, UK’s Farage.. not only did they get screwed, beautiful, cultural, free Europe got screwed. Disgusting fascist suicidal globalism.
I have read quite a bit about this, thanks. Deporting Israel critics for being Israel critics is disgusting and unAmerican.
Israel critics aren’t being deported. Hamas, Hezbollah operatives who are not only providing material support to terror entities, destroying property, inciting violence occupy campuses, classrooms and denying Jewish or Jewish/Israel supporters entry, terrorizing them and holding them hostage, as well as janitors and maintenance workers, are funded by foreign entitities, distributing Hamas materials and toolkits and now it’s been exposed had advanced knowledge of the attack are.
I find it outrageous that calling for the killing of Jews , white people and burning America to the ground isn’t enough.
In Europe, if a native born citizen dares criticize Muslims or the government, they’re prosecuted, but if Islamist migrants block entire city streets, perpetrate acts of violence, operate and partipate in grooming gangs of which the underaged, abused hostages are white citizens, the abused, naive born citizen victims are blamed and the abusers are you” victims of Islamophobia”. Tommy Robinson is in prison.
I remember years back seeing Brigitte Bardot on the stand being prosecuted for the crime of wanting the burka banned. Because nothing says freedom and enightenment like owned covered groom head to toe in black wool shapeless floor length, long sleeved sacks and veiled head and face coverings with an inch opening for their eyes but not brows.
Well said, Gail
so you are mad about people being persecuted for speech, or you want more of it? Maybe think about it some more, decide, and come back okay?
To be quite explicit, if a non-citizen engages in speech indicating that the country should be destroyed, I am, in fact, perfectly comfortable with that person being deported.
If they weren't Israel critics, there is a roughly 0.00000000001% chance that they would be deported. And please enumerate any crimes that Mahmoud Khalil has been charged with. I'll wait.
Please show which portion of the relevant law requires a crime to have been committed. I'll wait.
Not obstructing the goals of the U.S. of the U.S. State department is an explicit requirement of them getting their visa. They all agreed to it in writing. It is about as American as you can get. If it is so disgusting they shouldn't have agreed to it when they applied for a visa.
didn't Voltaire say to discover who your leaders are by whom you are not allowed to criticize?
I believe if you research the quote, you will discover he did not.
according to Reuter's research, you are correct. Does not invalidate the sensibility of the statement, whether you agree with the speaker's views or not.
Whoever said it is worth listening to.
That is precisely the gist of the situation. Imagine any other circumstance where this might happen. There is none.
The saviour of romania a club of rome member. Stop tickling me.
Illegals do not have the same rights as citizens.
What don't you people understand about that?
Put your money where your mouth is and invite these savages in your home. Hypocrite.
Read the constitution.
Who is talking about illegals?
Which illegals are you referring to? You might note that the constitution does not apply only to citizens, and does in fact apply even to people here illegally. This is why, for example, you cannot just take them off the streets and send them to work camps for the rest of their lives, or chop off their fingers for stealing or God knows what. It is the constitution and nothing else.
The one where the FIRST amendment is about free speech? That Constitution?
Try to understand this point. By definition, Visa holders are *not* American citizens.
Read again.
Are you suffering from that peculiar Democrat syndrome that believes that the "first" of anything is "special" to anyone (besides Guinness)?
I'm afraid I have bad news for you.
Historically, the actual "first" amendment concerned congressional salaries. It hung fire until it was finally ratified in 1992 as the 27th.
What is entitled the "First" Amendment is actually the third.
This one wins a prize. Are you wearing your fedora right now?
Stetson, ma'am. And Colt.
Americans are being deported for speech? Where are they sending them to? North Dakota or Oklahoma, I'd imagine. Do you know?
aw you are cute. The First Amendment doesn’t have an exception for criticizing Israel though.
Visa holders do not get the benefit of the First Amendment.
You just wait until a Democrat administration uses similar powers and then some against any visa or green card holder that is deemed a "threat to democracy" or peddler of "misinformation".
Barekick
It isn't about being either of those or anything else. It is about being honest in your visa application. If you include your intentions are to actively organize protests against the State department policies and you still get a visa, then go ahead and be an activist all you want.
Subject to all the usual legal limitations of course. EG: if you lose your student status for illegal activities and you are here on a student visa, then off you go. And it isn't the job of any of the relevant agencies to determine if the loss of the student status was fair by some standard. It doesn't matter if the student status was withdrawn for farting in the elevator too much. If you are foreigner, your designated status changes and that draws the attention of the authorities.....then bend over, put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye because you are out of here. As it always has been previously and should continue to be.
What are we waiting for? It will still be true, unless the law is changed.
Seriously. Being here without being a citizen is accepting the risk of not being one. This includes even a close friend of mine who has been married and held a green card for long enough that he could easily have become one by now but is essentially too lazy to actually do so. Possibly with a side order of being too snobbishly British to do so. ;)
The Second doesn't have exceptions for age, state of residence, type of arm, or anything remotely like that, but see what the left has done to it. I'm sure you won't mind us reciprocating in kind.
so you want fewer abrogations of Constitutional rights, or more? Maybe think about it for a while, decide, and come back okay?
With the left, what you get is bupkus no matter what you want. We're tired of re-enacting Bill Cosby's "Flip of The Coin." It's time the left got a taste of the left's rules. We won't stop until they've smoked the entire pack.
Kathleen Lowrey
I'm sorry. I must have become a little confused about this thread. I thought we were talking about foreign students and their activities.
By definition, they are *not* citizens with all the constitutional rights attendant with being a U.S. citizen. Many of those rights are temporarily extended to them as a matter of courtesy and fairness. But they can be withdrawn in order to remove them if need be.
I think you are talking about the graduate student here on a student visa who wrote an op-ed favorable to Hamas. While I am not in favor of visas being revoked for political opinions being expressed in op-eds, I am also aware that that's probably not the only problematic thing about her. And it seems reasonable to me that citizens of other countries here on visas should be expected not to praise terrorists, organize or participate in vandalism or in occupying buildings, etc., while they're here.
Vance’s speech in Múnich was the most significant political speech since JFK’s Ich Bin ein Berliner. Europeans were placed were they belonged - that they have become irrelevant in great power politics.
and then he took a big shit on it when the Trump administration started rounding up Israel critics. It was nice while it lasted but history is going to remember him under “hypocrite”, a crowded entry full of mediocrities.
So tired of your nonsense cluttering up my screen. Buh'bye troll!
Wait, is there actually a way to mute trolls here?
You are -- purposely or not -- misinformed. Deporting people only applies to temporary residents, not American citizens, who are free to spout all the nonsense they want. Except that they could be sued in civil court for defamation.
Misinformed no, disgusted yes
How can anyone be disgusted by a visa holder having it revoked? Have you ever lived in Europe as a foreign national? Speaking as someone who has been so for over 6 years now, let me tell you, they also do the same thing if you piss them off and aren't a protected group.
Whilst I completely agree with the arguments supporting Palestine—and even Hamas, frankly—foreigners shouldn't vote or get involved in politics. It's a policy I apply to myself, and which should be law. Naturalisation is bullshit.
Thank you for saying this..I feel like I'm among the few within right-leaning dissident spaces who is seeing the disconnect.
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Well, no fear, there are, sadly, plenty of "right leaning" spaces where hatred of ... Israel is always welcome.
They tend to be rather unpleasant places. I'm not coming at this from the perspective of being pro this or that, anti this or that.
I merely think the Trump Administration should proceed with caution on this issue. It does feel like particular viewpoints and activist activities are being targeted and not others.
That said, I don't have all the information and I'm happy to stand corrected. Maybe there is a lot more to the Khalil case in particular that hasn't yet been revealed.
The consistent application of free speech principles is the biggest thing many of us are fighting for so we need to be vigilant. Us Europeans really want the U.S. to set an example for what a free society could look like. It lost its way post-9/11 (probably post-WWII, in fact), culminating in Biden's covid authoritarianism and censorship regime.
I adon't pretend that there is never a balance to strike between liberty and safety. National security is a legitimate concern for any state. But it also provides a flexible framework for all types of overreach.
> It does feel like particular viewpoints and activist activities are being targeted and not others.
I mean... yes? Of course that's true. That seems very blatantly like a *good* thing. The Trump Administration isn't deporting people for protesting in favor of continuing the US support of the war in Ukraine. They aren't deporting people protesting against the closing of various federal agencies.
They are, in fact, exercising severe discrimination in who they are targeting for deportation. They're deporting non-citizens for advocating in favor of genocide. Them being discriminating about who they are deporting is a feature, not a bug.
We have to put up with that shit from citizens. We are not required to put up with it from guests.
>They're deporting non-citizens for advocating in favor of genocide.
It is just amazing how much targeted disinformation is being spread in this thread so pervasively. The two students from Columbia and Tufts were arrested simply because they publicly criticized Israel's plausible genocide, as determined by an international court last year. Their expressions were consistent with the majority of student union votes. Their arrests came at the explicit instigation of Betar USA, an Israeli youth organization that has advocated terrorism. Former prime ministers like Begin and Shamir belonged to that organization in their early careers. From the warped perspective of these Israeli fanatics any criticism of Israel's murderous military activities equals support for Hamas. The US State Department is abusing a vague and over-broad and open-ended – therefore controversial – "working" definition of antisemitism, which includes simply noticing things that have been shown to be empirically true.
Firstly, viewpoints and activist activity on their own should not be targeted in this way. The US has always had strong protections for free speech, academic freedom, protest, etc.
Secondly my point is that there are plenty of anti-establishment movements that are not being targeted. Pro-Palestine positions are being treated as singularly threatening to national security... Why not BLM? Or pro-CCP? And so on.
Some people are too willing to treat pro-Palestine positions as on par with terrorism. But I expect there to be a high burden of proof before equating activist activity with being a Hamas operative or a member of a terror cell.
But fine, let's accept that the US govt wants to start taking a militant approach to deportation based on professed ideological viewpoints. The question is, what does that look like down the road? Because, as we saw during covid, national security frameworks can be applied to just about anything. A future administration could deport green card holders who question vaccine science or who are critical of DEI.
The administration's actions against cartels, convicted criminals, and illegal border-crossers are effective and popular. In contrast, going after green card holders for vague reasons is not having tangible effects (whereas seeing a 90% drop in illegals entering the country is very tangible!).
I think the Trump Administration saw these deportations as low-hanging fruit and a chance to grab headlines. Basically, good publicity for engaging the MAGA base. In reality, though, these actions are divisive and ideologically inconsistent, all while creating legal headaches. It's a distraction people don't need when there's so many priorities.
A visa is a guest pass, nothing more.
Perhaps if we were more selective about the people entering, I would be more critical of them being told to leave.
If you’re a visitor in our country and you start shit you get the fucking boot.
So if you look at the First Amendment you will see this phrase you are using (“protected free speech”) does not appear in it. The limits on speech in the U.S. are on immediate incitement. In fact in the U.S. you are allowed to utter pro-Nazi and pro-KKK speech. The old ACLU — not the current incarnation — defended a famous case about it.
Portugal, Greece and Turkey joined NATO with no problems. So, the answer to your last question is, 'yes'.
this was actually tried against trump in the usa - using a constitutional provision aimed at preventing civil war era politicians from quickly regaining too much power after the war.
that is why every tv reporter in the usa started using the term "insurrection" as though it were a perfectly normal everyday term instead of the more commonplace terms for trump's jan 6th march to the capitol (aka the fedsurrection).
Exactly.
Why 2 years of house arrest? Is there a risk she might steal a car?
The only plausible explanation is that it is to prevent her campaigning for whoever is the RN's candidate in the next elections.
Seems obvious.
1. Prevent her from campaigning
2. Humiliation / Demoralization
3. Warning to other politicians
4. Smear her reputation to the normies
I'm guessing, anyways
Nailed it
Exactly!
The "insurrection" theme was concocted by the Democrats, always very clever with words, before the event, which turned out to be no more than a demonstration that turned somewhat riotous.
Yes. Exactly. And what Europe is going to experience is the height of hypocrisy.
This is the kind of shit that would happen in Brazil or Russia or Zimbabwe and lib media experts would explain to us how this obviously was the regime striking down on its political opponents with bogus charges.
Prime ministers would then go out and “condemn” the country in question.
Please take note of how western leftists/main streamers/normies will say “she’s a convicted felon, the candidates I like don’t get imprisoned which is evidence of their moral superiority and goodness".
Same tactic used against Trump.
Thats what this is all about.
Absolutely. And the tactic failed only because Trump is a unique individual with seemingly boundless energy, determination, and a great deal of money. Hence the next element in the program: an assassination attempt practically under the noses of the "security" detail, although its degree of connivance is more difficult to assert than is simple incompetence. The most conspicuous proof of the latter was the female Secret Service agent about 2 heads shorter than Trump who was between him and the assassin. Did she duck to enable the murder or was she merely and simply stupid? I've never heard the results of the post-mortem, if there was any.
Among other things, that much shorter woman was clearly a DEI hire. After that incident, Trump was protected by tall men. No women on the detail.
Did you watch his inauguration? During the swearing in his family stood very tight around him, forming a shield. It was both terrifying and inspiring. These people get it.
The FBI admits to having about 20 operatives at the head of the crowd, urging the others onward. The true number is more likely 200+.
With many embedded feds and paid antifa garbage… 🔥
And it "turned riotous" only AFTER Capitol Police, simultaneously at a signal, turned snd fired LTL munitions at the faces of protesters who previously were doing nothing.
> I very much fear that the new villains of the antifascist programme are simply the people, who are destroying “democracy” with their unchecked personal aspirations, prejudices and wayward beliefs. They will try to bring us to heel too, via what tactics we can only imagine.
This is an absolute fact and has blatantly been the case for a decade now in Germany.
European lawfare is pretty effective.
And look this will continue because life in Europe is still pretty nice. Most people are not ready to actually do the step beyond voting, as in what you need to do when voting doesn't work or it's usurped
And there's no guarantees that life will get so bad. And does anyone really want that? I don't.
I wonder if the plandemic was a dry run for all this craziness?
After all, its histories only perfect "proof of concept" exercise.
Validated wholesale.
Huh? The guarantee of what future "life" will look like in Europe, the USA, Asia, and all the other developed regions of the world is in their TFRs. Read 'em and weep. It's over. Elon says so.
@Richard Bicker
"TFRs"?
Temporary Flight Restrictions? Whut.
Europe is only nice is a few places these days.
I'm afraid the Western Europeans, including the UK, have truly had it for a while. It is outright repression being practiced by the EU-allied political class, and they will ban you, via the Digital Services Act, the European Human Rights Court (a joke) and the GDPR, from saying what you think if you happen to live in Western Europe. I see increasing Muslim-male immigration to those countries, absolutely open borders, and God knows what will happen next ... A desiccated and weak continent for now. I hope Hungary, Italy and Slovakia can survive under these conditions. The EU is truly the gravedigger ...
UK also now prosecuting white males for harsher sentences than all other groups. UK is absolutely insane right now. Biden/Obama/Kamala/CIA were definitely trying to do the same in the US.
100%. The Dems and the Western European elite are the same people ...
Yep. With the Dems out of office in the US, Europe has become a government in exile, a place to bide their time and keep the grift alive
Exactly. The globalist elite are intrinsic to the 5 eyes countries, and for obvious reasons. They use woke and lawfare to advance their goals. Zero concern for their actual citizens.
The incredible survival of Trump, blessed by the help of Musk, gives the USA a chance to fight off the darkness consuming the EU.
In the U.S., we know what this repression means ... see the last nine years ... Their spine must be broken so they can't operate ... they look to Western Europe for inspiration and succor ...
if your hope is hungary, slovakia and italy it is better to stop your hopium...
In Orwellian fashion, it appears the current Brussels powers that be have redefined democracy to mean their rule. therefore, if they are not ruling, democracy has died. and of course, they cannot allow democracy to die, right?
la démocratie, c'est moi
😂
Brilliant!
Well done. :D
Despite their claims, the EU has never been a democracy, just an appearance of one.
indeed.
QUOTE: "... the current Brussels powers that be have redefined democracy to mean their rule."
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In the U.S., Nancy Pelosi correctly talked about saving "OUR DEMOCRACY" which meant holding innocent civilians in solitary confinement for four (4) years. It was indeed the Democracy of Nancy and her gang.
Nancy's father was the mobbed-up mayor of Baltimore, Thomas D'Alesandro Jr.
I did eventually realize during the Biden Years that when they spoke of "Our Democracy" they meant it in the *proprietary* sense of the term.
Absolutely! For them, "democracy" = "rule by Democrats".
This is interesting, because the precedent is that being a convicted fraudster doesn't stop French women from taking top, unelected, jobs in the Eureaucracy. I wonder why the double standards?
You mean the perma-tanned Christine Lagarde? With the French media being owned by the Left, who's going to point to the "double standards"?
You might very well mention someone by name, I couldn't POSSIBLY comment...
Some years ago, and for some several years, Viv and Mario Draghi shared a favourite sushi restaurant. Viv will be careful not to impugn the character of important people.
But this is always true. If there's not a real, tangible enemy, there becomes the invisible enemy only the prophet can see and only by whose doctrines we can all be saved.
I love your analyses of factual events; each of these is happening in real time in our present lives; but the mechanism is eternal to civilization which borrowed the methods from our primal pack heritage. Exclude the lone wolf and hope it dies. Weak lone wolves do. But the lone wolf with alpha genes will attract enough followers to form its own pack and fight to define its own territory.
We can learn all sorts of things from the advancement of scientific thinking and from the navel-gazings of philosophers in every era, but we can't trump biology.
Yes, I think it's true that there is something oppositional about nation states in general. In prior eras, the enemies were generally foreign rivals. Something happened after WWII, and we ended up with ideological enemies instead – opposed to a defunct fascism and a weak and declining communism (the Cold War). Thereafter we went after an atmospheric gas and the industrialists responsible for releasing it, and now we're going after people who find this kind of crazy politics to be a problem.
I'm speaking primarily about the view from Europe, here. The United States, as an imperial power, has largely maintained a clearer view of geopolitical rivalries, although these faded for a time at the end of history.
The technocrats of financial capital hate the rabble. This is the last frontier, dominating the peasants via monopolized ownership of resources, aka Gaza: Land, water, energy, medicine, food, accompanied by surveillance and violence. We are all Palestinians.
Neoliberals vs. Neo peasants?
Our overlords couldn’t care less.
Neofeudalism for certain.
Nothing healthy ever comes from guilt which is a way of emasculating power and stealing it.
Trump is too fucked up to be a complete masculine hero but he's enough of one to make the left, everywhere, hysterical. As you often write, (I paraphrase of course) the femael anti-energy is trying to blow up the core.
"Trump is too fucked up" breaks easily. President Trump never was a statesman, diplomat nor politician. That explains his appeal & popularity. He tells it like it is. Sure beats governance by a dementia addled autopen.
Thank you for your profound display of reading comprehension.
Tired of "democracy" (majority rules), firebomb a Tesla!
Je suis Far Right
I am Magachudacus
It is time to start embracing what they use as slurs. Take it from a terf.
Anybody to the right of Stalin is a Far Right racist, fascist, White Nationalist Nativist apartheid Nazi Putin Puppet Traitor and the “ Greatest Threat To Democracy”. Essentially they project their totalitarian globalist jack booted powerlust and insatiable desire to crush, control and decimate the human spirit.
I agree with you amigo. I am unashamed to define myself as far right according to their stupid definitions.
Agreed. To me, TERF is just a synonym for "women who has a political view but isn't pathologically demented". Forget "Hamas", trannies should be designated a banned group.
*woman
They are positively giddy over on Reddit. As I keep saying every time some norm is demolished thoughtlessly by the left, I guarantee that no one will like what comes next
Just wanna add that this includes RWers as well. Conflict sucks FOR EVERYONE
It beats perpetual repression. At least in conflict, there is a chance of an occasional victory.
I think the right would lose a large scale conflict
What makes this unlikely is the incompatibility between the global left's policy of preaching total civilian disarmament and the peculiar American tradition of flipping such tyrants the bird.
It delivers absolutely pessimal results for the left, as their own cult members enthusiastically disarm, while everyone else remains prepared to rumble.
Between Trump, Musk, and the 2A I think taking humanity to the stars remains a possible outcome.
Otherwise no chance in hell.
In Europe? Possibly. In the US? Shortest Civil War in history.
"Climatism is collapsing even more rapidly than I expected". What??? I don't agree.
there's still a lot of institutional momentum, but this stuff achieved a peak ca. 2019 in Europe and it's been in decline since then.
I hope you are right. It is one of the fights of my life and it is lasting a lot. Since covid is even worse, everybody parrots the same stuff and if you say different -> negationist.
I don't know in other countries but here in Spain the change since covid is obvious. For example, before covid no car commercial mentioned electricity, now all do.
Covid vax was more important at some point for me, but just because they wanted to inject me and my family. But aldo climate shit is used to try to change my life.
When the same happened in post-2014 Ukraine, where every non-globalist-aligned party was criminalized and journalists killed and made to disappear, no one in the West cared and blindly "stood with Ukraine", which actually meant misery and open genocide of its population. Ukrainians could not believe anything of what happens to them now could ever happen. Wars were for some far away lands only. Those few who clearly saw the trajectory to war were brushed aside as crazies and ignored. From what I see, literally no one wants to destroy Europe except for a small bunch of bankers/elites. Even Americans and Russians seem to be united in their love for Europe and its culture, enjoy travelling there and would hate to see it destroyed. Is there someone brave enough in Europe who can turn the tide, because if not, it's scary to even think what is in store for us all?
In a weird way it would be better if Putler actually did have an eye to conquering Europe. It might sharpen at least a few minds that are far too fuzzy. People might pay attention to the actual state of EU militaries, and why they are that way, if they really thought there was a threat.
Well, if you really think there is a threat, you create a buffer zone from that threat, not move closer to it.
So it looks like they're going to destroy democracy to "save democracy". A now familiar refrain in western countries. In the US, our media and leftist politicians hold Zelenskyy on a pedestal and talk about fighting for Ukraine to "save democracy". Funny thing, I thought democracy included fair elections. Zelenskyy cancelled Ukraine's elections last year. I guess that's part of "saving democracy". The media and politicians think people are stupid. Unfortunately, many are.
Trump, Bolsonaro, Georgescu and now Le Pen (not to mention the AfD in Germany.) Political persecution intent on disenfranchising citizens. The only thing that saved Trump - because it informed the U.S. Supreme Court - were the 400 million firearms in the hands of private citizens.
Ditto Zeman, Truss , Malvini, Shinzo Abe,Spain, Peru, Austria, Columbia,Honduras, Chile, Greece, Paraguay, Dominican Republic,Myanmar, Vietnam, Belize, Solomon Islands, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan,Portugal… all were couped and facing the same shit. Prosecution, imprisonment, financial ruin, attempted assassination, assassination
Modi, Orban, Bukele, Milei, Netanyahu, MBS, UAE, Serbia, Wilders are all dealing with infiltration and smears, chaos agents… same players. Soros and Spawn, of course, NGOS - USAID money laundering, but the epicenter of evil is the UN and its flank. WEF, Trilateral Commission, Chatham House, Club of Rome, Vatican, Council on Foreign Affairs, CCP,Qatar and the ignominious Five Eyes/CIA
Good list. I forgot about, Truss, Malvini, Abe and Golden Dawn. Didn't even know about the others.
I failed to include Latvia, Moldova, Macedonia and Australia
Georgescu was the head of club of rome... The other names are all cuckoos too...
Was and is are two different things. Sometimes people have epiphanies when they realize the errors of their ways.
When Trump was on the debate stage in 2016, he took responsibility for his own bad actions that contributed to the rot. Including pay for play, hiring illegals and realizing he “was the problem”. It was at that moment he won my support. And I knew him personally. Worked on a 2 year project in the Trump World Tower and often had lunch with him in my client’s kitchen. He was terrific, but I needed to be convinced he was a serious candidate. He wasn’t a dyed in the wool “Conservative”. Neither was I. He’s still not. Neither am I. But given only two options, and the other Party is hatred and destruction, I’ll opt for the non-Extinctionist one.
400 million “registered” firearms… 😉 Y’all have no idea… 😇
When are y'all gonna get off your fat asses, organise, and use them? Eh?
What might you be suggesting Mr. Rudey? Asking for a friend…
And many Prayers for the “deplorables” across the Pond… We are many. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
If you don’t know who called us, “deplorable’s,” look it up…
One more little factoid, I have never met an American that just has ONE firearm… in fact, I met a man one time that probably had 100 in his garage. Quite the collector… 😈 We have MANY collectors over here…
Yes I know all about that evil witch Killary
I think midget Macron and his old husband are in for it. I would not be surprised to see a modern-day version of a Bastille-storming. The French don't like being ignored. If Le Pen was that popular I am guessing this won't just end without a fight.
Western Europe has been dying for several decades, it just took until the last 10 years for most people to see the decay. The EU as an international body that supercedes state government sovereignty merely lays bare what soft handed Euro elites have desired since at least the post-modern navel gazing of the 1970s.
It’s not dying. It’s repression and subjugation by an unaccountable elite who activate the brainwashed masses to perpetuate internal conflict and prevent any opposition to their rule. Macron wears an $80,000 watch. Europe isn’t dying; it’s just creating a slide toward peasantry and serfdom; where rights are selectively granted to the lousy by an arbitrary and self-serving Sovereign who owe fealty as a vassal to the E.U. empire that controls 23 nations. It is becoming very European, circa 1400.
Don't hold your breath...
Yeah I agree, this will take some time. Still, I believe uprisings in Europe are going to be HUGE in the next few years, given what they are being subjected to. Stuff like losing their ability to speak freely, having thought police at their doors, and immigrants taking over and living off the dole. UK and Germany are especially bad. France not much better.
I'm in the UK and (unfortunately) I disagree with your prediction.
There will be spurts of rioting perhaps but the masses are not going to be engaging in any uprisings anytime soon.
Shocking as it may sound, many people are apolitical -- just disengaged from it all. They don't pay attention to news or politics and if they consume media it's always MSM headlines and only fleetingly.
So most people don't know the extent to which their rights are suppressed and if they get angry at all, it's about tangible stuff like inflation, which they blame on "the right" or "conservatives" or "corporate greed". They don't connect a declining economy with broader trends. Even high immigration is treated like some inevitability rather than something the government could (and should) take action on.
There have been a lot of uprisings in recent years, but I do think there will be a tipping point, where they get much bigger. The question is, will it change anything? I don't know. The globalists really seem to have the upper hand.
The closest thing to an "uprising" was the Canadian Truckers, and they got completely co-opted by do-gooder professional protestors. They had Ottawa by the balls all they had to do was take it. People are wayyy too cucked to ever do what is truly necessary. The only way there has ever been change is by *force*, all "non-violent" protest is fake and gay, it's never won any power ever.
People are wimps until they are pushed too far, which they will be pretty soon. It's been the same all throughout history.
What killed it was the power of the gov't to simply turn off everybody's money.
How long can you protest if you can't buy food?
What are we considering uprisings in a a Western context?
There's been protest movements like the Yellow Vests in France.
But I haven't seen anything one could consider an uprising.
The Norwegians dumped manure on their government buildings. Or was that the French? The French kidnapped someone, wouldn't let them leave a building. They also have had some others... I admit I don't keep track much, but a lot of them do pop up in the news.
It is now 6 years since the mysterious massive fire that destroyed most of Notre Dame de Paris in 2019.
Given what we have seen on the POLITICAL stage since then, does it seem MORE or LESS likely that Macron personally instigated the event, likely by a wink and a nudge? "Who will rid me of this turbulent church?"
That was obviously a full frontal attack on Christianity. That was heartbreaking.
A completely state-endorsed and sanctioned thing, too. Hundreds of churches don't spontaneously combust. Someone is organised and mobilised for it, and yet there is never any deep investigation.
Yeah they aren't going to investigate themselves. We all know who's behind these seeming coinkydinks. Don't we?
I can still see it!