Just like the vaccine justification, I would have gotten really sick today and ended up in the hospital had I not eaten sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast. It was a close call but thanks to my wife mandating the breakfast, I was saved from a horrible outcome today. Imagine if I hadn’t eaten breakfast how bad things would have been.
Hmmm, I don't know about that. Sounds like misinformation to me.
Based on the experience of one subject (me), experts have surmised that sausage gravy and biscuits can lead to severe gastrointestinal issues and should therefore be banned. SGB is also of deep south origin and we all know that nothing good comes from that area!
Since every one is now sooo sick with the virus variants ,it seems the new normal is working .I may be the only escape from the virus ,so far ,no shots ever for me or other silly voodoo dramas could be the reason .
I think you might just be correct in saying you may be the only one! I thought I was until about 3 weeks ago . Caught it. Took Ivermectin. Felt 100% by day 4. It was a big nothing burger. 🥱
It's bad for individuals but good for Big Pharma (profits) and the government (more control).
I guess that means... it's not a problem at all. They can also blame all kind of government failure-- like supply chain issues-- on "C0VID" and get a pass. So really, this whole "everyone sick all the time" works out for Our Betters.
Why it's almost like the majority of the population trashed their immune system. I wonder what could have caused that? I mean it can't be the "vaccines" because we know it's NEVER that.
All of my vaxxed relatives have gotten COVID in the last month or so. I have a double vaxxed cousin who was hospitalized yesterday. He's a previously healthy, thin 67-year-old physician. I'm praying they don't give him remdesivir.
And ACM (all cause mortality) has taken a very weird bump up. From the end of July 2021 until the beginning of March 2022 ACM was way up. Hmmm. It would appear that something seasonal is happening early. We'll see if we get a repeat this year shortly. This graph is for ACM vs Vax % for the USA:
I think the Lyme disease in those kids is largely irrelevant. My immune system is excellent — not a cold or flu since 2010 — yet in 2017 I got Lyme disease. Relatively quick action with antibiotics nipped it in the bud, hopefully. But without the rash (which only appears in 30% of cases) I would not have known what the problem was. Actually my experience with Lyme greatly contributed to my skepticism about lab tests in general. Testing for Lyme is abysmally inaccurate.
The most concerning thing about an out-of-season wave like this is, what happens in winter? Especially in Europe, where the foreign policy fucktardery of the EU is going to mean cold homes.
What do you mean? Just get your third booster before winter, maybe one additional jab in February and everything should be fine. You'll not die of covid. Maybe by SADS but that's normal. By winter it will be proven that SADS is especially dangerous during cold spells. Nothing to worry about long term. By 2030 global warming will hit us so bad that winters will be warmer on Earth than what we have on Venus now.
In Germany, most people rent and many live in apartments. They are at the mercy of their landlords and the government. It's already been announced that 18C during the day and 16C during the night are acceptable minimum temperatures. And hot water will be only periodically available. My prediction is that there will be massive lung infections, mold infestations in poorly heated spaces and lots of people accidentally setting their places on fire.
The excess death numbers are the only thing that matters. Mass asymptomatic infection with a bioengineered virus producing toxic spikes that lodge themselves into every organ in the body is a recipe for disaster. Symptoms of infection are your body’s way of informing you that you’ve been invaded and telling you to chill the fuck out and reserve your energy so your immune system can do its job. Unfortunately there are now billions of people who have turned their bodies into spike manufacturing warehouses and they don’t even know it.
I've named them Jabberwokies.... the jabbed woke crowd who're too blinded by their narcissism to see the real truth. The truth that sets us free is still available to all, only thru Jesus message of humility and trusting God. PPl need to spend their time in the Word and earnestly seeking Godly wisdom and forget the narcissistic agenda and woke MSM 24/7 dribble of satan messages.
The balance between the human immune system and the various pathogens that circulate has been thrown off kilter for sure. Some combination of lockdowns, masking, stress, depression, mass vaccination, spraying disinfectant all over the place has upset the equilibrium. I've noticed many more mild infections in myself and my children (all unvaccinated) over the last 2 years. I've got one right now, nothing much, just a mild sore throat and a bit of fatigue and I'm still testing negative for COVID (I haven't had a positive test yet). Before April 2020, I could often go a couple of years without getting anything. It's a step change in overall rates of illness that I'm seeing in my circles.
I went over 2 years without even a sniffle and then had omicron twice, six months apart. Exactly the same for my partner.
We are both unvaccinated and had mild symptoms lasting no more than 3-4 days each time. Our bouts of omicron occurred after we spent prolonged periods of time with boosted people -- first in January and more recently in June. Omicron spread has entirely coincided with the booster programmes here in the UK, which appear to heighten the window of transmissibility and accelerate immunity-evading mutations.
In eastern Switzerland, we seemed to be catching everything between February and May. Vaxxed and unvaxxed were getting colds, COVID, stomach flu, etc. Now I don’t hear of too many acquaintances being sick this summer. I wonder if lockdown effects are the main culprit for the disease wave in other parts of Europe. We opened up earlier in Switzerland, then it felt like we got hit with so many diseases that we had not been exposed to for two years. Since other European countries opened up a little later, it would make sense for them to be exposed to those same diseases later as well.
In Zürich region I have a completely different experience. Many people sick currently. Including myself if a little bit of joint pain and sore throat can be considered sick but the vaccinated had also fever.
all the jabbed are on round 2 of covid the last few weeks (since january), mild symptoms, but still! A continual quarterly positive test? If I ever have any sore throat I come home and shoot peroxide/water mixture up my nose and gargle just in case and never sick.
I haven't tested myself because with current policies it is absolutely useless. Also I don't care. But if it is covid then I'm on round 2 also. Unvaccinated.
Yeah, that’s interesting I was curious how it was going in other cantons. I haven’t talked to friends from Zürich for a while. Many of the people I know here could not catch a break in spring, but summer hasn’t been as bad, which surprised me because I had heard of so many people in other areas getting sick in summer.
I lost my job, my home and couldn’t even go to the shops. I am so glad I didn’t get the vaccine. So to all those that did, I could care less what happens to you. Just like you didn’t care less when I was being persecuted.
Michael just a small grammar issue. What you mean to say is that you "couldn't care less", as opposed to "could care less". If you use the latter it means that you do care, albeit a small amount.
Respect for your bravery to do the right thing. We must have no mercy or respect for the enemies and the enemies are the vaxxed.
As a non-native speaker of English I've come across both variants and since "I could care less" sounds so incredibly OFF I had to check it. According to the Oxford Dictionary, "could care less" is American English, Merriam-Webster isn't so sure about that. Anyway, it just sounds so WRONG.
I agree we need to win the vaxxed over. But I’m just not feeling it yet. They were so hateful to anti experimental rna vaccine people like myself. At the moment I am gloating over their pain, I know this is wrong. Maybe some day I’ll be more charitable. But in a way I don’t want to win them over. What’s the point really, they chose their path. They were so obstinate, they thought they knew it all. There is no taking these shots out of their bodies, it’s too late for them. Nothing you can say to them will alter it. Better to just focus on the undamaged with a full functioning immune system and help them keep the faith.
I understand this urge. But as a Christian in the Church, I still pray for mercy and that the truth is revealed by heroic people like you, Michael. Those of us made of sterner stuff, or that were blessed with an upbringing that instilled skepticism of various aspects of modern institutions, have a stewardship obligation to help our neighbors, where we can and aren’t rejected.
But I will posit there is some truth you are seeing that gives you a resigned attitude. Recall the words of scripture regarding people who refuse to listen to the Lord (“dust off your feet and move on”), or the words for those such as the people of Sodom. There is such a thing as justice against the obstinately foolish or sinful, even as we pray for mercy and awakening.
There is a comparable willful blindness and obstinance in today’s society. We are surrounded by evidence of corruption, available truths and teachings about human nature, and decadent, lazy behavior that is rejected innately by the human heart. Yet our “average civilian” just goes along and often defends and participates in sin, falsehood and corruption. At some point, society just becomes Sodom. There is moral culpability for ignoring the warning sensors in our hearts.
It is in that regard you should comfort yourself, that the truly obstinate won’t be helped no matter how we act; but leave prayer for them as a last resort, as God can touch where we cannot.
Michael, many of them were pressured into taking the vaccine, there was not much of q choice for them. Kudos to you for not giving in to the pressure that must have been put on you, you seem to be made of sterner stuff than most.
This is definitely not true for my circke of friends, acquaintances, colleagues, parents I know. Most people got the vaccine bc they would not have been able to see their eldery parents, keep their jobs, get into public spaces, travel etc. Plus they were told the vacc. Were safe and recommended by everyone and their cat. They had no cause to be concerned and alarmed and were told they were doing the right thing. They are NOT scum, they are your friend and relatives and colleagues that got played.
Curious- is there data available to investigate the differences between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population in Europe? In the U.S., the vaccinated are richer, less likely to smoke, less obese, have longer life expectancies and lower death rates, making observational data confounded.
It's a very sad state of affairs. So many are woefully unprepared for this winter :( Mostly the elderly are going to really suffer on their fixed budgets.
I agree with you ,as it is also my worry ,what the Exterminaters will do next . I have no fear of the flu bug ,but what our enemies will put us through ,in the next few month will be worse than what they did to us already . All the warnings are out there .
I'm mixed in this, some of my friends and family mocked the idea that the injections were dangerous from the beginning, even when I showed them all the reasons for caution.
Obviously I care about them and want them to be safe, but the same couldn't be said of them when I and my family refused the injections.
Yes just today I had a conversation with a friend about covid. She is triple vaxxed and is completely oblivious to any of this, i.e. immune fixation + repeated infections, possible integration into the genome, side effects, immune escape as by Geert, etc. It is heartbreaking to watch what people are inflicting on themselves simply due to ignorance (or due to providence? some form of twisted determinism?).
At the same time, I don't have the heart to tell my friends about any of this, since they really appear to be more happy living in ignorance (which is their right to do so obviously). So instead I just try to point out small and unharmful facts from publicly available data hoping that they finally connect the dots for their own good and avoid further possible harm... But it is just so very tiresome :(
At least you have the energy to talk to people about it. I don't. The answer is always the same: "I have to get it to keep my elderly parent safe and my doctor told me to do it."
I recently met up with a friend who's lived in Canada the past 8 years.
When we touched on covid, she made it clear she 100% believes the narrative. I started to veer into the topic of vaccines and she immediately volunteered that her 6-year-old child is vaccinated.
I decided that in the interests of having a harmonious time, I would just avoid the topic. The brainwashing is too entrenched.
And I am 74 and didn't buy into it. But I have not bought into vaccines or the "sickcare" system for many years. Had a mom who taught me about health and nutrition and taking responsibility for my own health, not relying on drs, neighbors or the government. I worked for the pharmaceutical industry for years and I know how evil they are.
I live in the US. The majority of the people I know are over 50. Sorry to rain on your parade. I'm also glad that many people here that are over 50 did NOT buy into the game. Most of the people I know did, I'm sorry to say.
I just don't know why some people have to make these all-knowing statements about how everyone in a certain group does this or that. Also: the people you know may not represent all people in their demographic. It may be more accurate to say, the old Americans I know personally are...And I can say, the ones I know aren't.
Sadly true. Most people don’t understand DNA, RNA, transcription, and translation. Immune system, ah no. Gene therapy? No way. Original antigenetic sin, nah. There is a lot of educating that needs to be done for the survivors.
Yes, horrible to say, but; most, and I do mean most, of those folks who were misled to be jabbed would have had me put in a camp somewhere for being unvaxxed, many still would. Only obvious and catastrophic deaths in the vaxxed, including vaxxed dead babies, will make folks realize what's been done and these deaths are now happening regardless of any of our feelings about it. In addition, the vax damaged will need LOTS OF CARE, and guess who will be giving that care? Folks like me, unjabbed who can't walk away.
I completely agree jacquelyn. Of course I feel very bad for the jabbed children and those forced to choose between supporting their families and submitting. The others are clearly our enemy, the source of power for the tyrants behind this, they don't wish us well so I'd be a fool to wish them well. That would be pure masochism.
Thank you ASOTS for your message and sentiments. I used to say I was just different than everybody, an outlier. Somewhere between autistic and artistic, depending on the angle of the sun. Going off on my own is my typical m o and in this case it saved my life I am sure. I am female (rhymes with tamale), low weight, already had a strange respitory flu 11/2019* and have a formaldehyde 'allergy' (carpet installations). So I probs would have had some kind of reaction or worse. I hope you are able to detox from things proactively. One thing is I DID have 1 Covid test and so I may have 'gotten my nanobits' or circuitry that way, I do wonder. I am starting to believe Harari when he said that our own thoughts are a thing of the past, when I see how folks seem to be avoiding certain thoughts completely, as if truly unthinkable. The cog dis is quite horrid for all of us who can sorta see the plan in the 'demic. I hear there is now ways to disable the bluetooth signals some seem to be emmitting. (Spanish research, off platform searches) .Gosh, there is just so much to talk about. And I never even liked Sci Fi anyway. There are just so many jabbed who dug in, some will never see it at all I am sure as you said. Best
That statement denies that people have agency and free will or moral guidance.
Under duress… many were fired, quit their job. Had everyone, or near everyone done so the ‘duress’ would have been short lived.
My father and others of that time went to war and faced bullets, shells, bombs and extreme hardship to preserve freedom, all people had to do during the last two years was say, No.
John, Don't quite agree with you about the war - most were conscripted if they didn't sign up and there was massive social pressure calling anyone a coward who dared to resist.
A bit like us true bloods and the covidians... I fully expect them to come for me again, it's only a matter of time. I hope I am strong enough, but to lose everything? That's a big ask.
True but the contrast is between their real danger and what they had to endure and lose - their lives. Nobody was being forced to face down the CoVid tyranny, it was entirely voluntary and non-life threatening.
I lived in France for 20 years. I was content there, had made my life there, had no intentions of leaving. By mid-2021 life in France unless vaccinated became impossible - deliberately so. Macron said he would make life so difficult for ‘the shits’ they would be forced to get vaccinated.
I put my house on the market, left most of my furniture, gave to charity clothes and other items, packed my car with as much as I could and came back to the UK, lived in a hotel for 6 weeks until I could find a place to rent.
I did my bit. Am I unreasonable to expect others to do no less?
It's not for me to judge the actions or motives of others. But I too felt persecuted and threatened for standing firm and refusing the shots. We all have our breaking point, I just hope I never have to experience mine...
Thanks for your good wishes. I didn’t lose everything - goods and chattels are replaceable, my house sold, and I’ve found a good place to live - I kept my self-respect, my individuality, my agency and free will - and it seems my health too - none of which are replaceable.
Also via sites like this, it’s nice to know there are kindred spirits and I’m not alone. I wish you well.
Sorry not all where misled ,any able to use critical thinking and common sense are outside of the sheep corral ,from the beginning of open season for the rest .
You're very right. My husband and I spent a lot of time talking to family and close friends about all the risks and what this could do to them. And... everyone simply shrugged and said "my doctor recommended it."
People didn't want to use common sense. They didn't want to use critical thinking. They just wanted a Magic Shot that would make them safe from the C0VID boogeyman, regardless of the consequences.
M: realize that if 50% of the global population rapidly dies, you might starve to death as the supply chains all around the world break apart and mankind rapidly retreats back to the 1900. We should pray for God's mercy and grace to break the back of lies and break off the effects of this demonically inspired agenda.
M: my response is to be grateful to God that I am alive and not to have fallen to the planetary deception. thankfulness provides wisdom and clarity when everyone will be crying for the punishment of the those who enabled the deception to occur and help carry it out. I think that is the Bible's take on it.
I have often wondered if somewhere in the offices of Eco Health Alliance there is a recipe for something that will make the body STOP making spike proteins.
This sentiment is very similar to those who were happy to report illness upon the unvaxxed in summer of 2021, and who seemed actually pleased at the prospect of their fellow citizen keeling over. Simply because they didn't do the "right" thing. All of us have family and friends who took the jab(s) for a variety of well intentioned reasons such as preserving their sources of income and trying to protect loved ones. Virtually all were misled.
I'm no expert on the soul but I feel it can'tbe good for one's soul to walk about wishing people would die whose only fault it was to believe the government and its "experts".
'I just hope more and more vaxxed bite the dust. It is what they wanted after all.'
And those of us who were bamboozled into the original vaccinations, and have since regretted it, we are worthless also? Seems to me people who can describe how their attitude was changed might be helpful in trying to convince those who are still brainwashed.
Exactly. The argument that "well, they were willing to put me in a camp for the unvaccinated, so I'll smile while they all die" may be a tempting argument for some, it is clearly as wrong-headed as the the argument that it supplants. First, don't for one minute believe that any but a small, weirded-our minority would actively advocate for that, even if mass hysteria could bring in some supporters.
Second, most of the vaxxed that I know are often either threatened with job loss, isolation, or coerced in some way. At the very least, they are, like the majority, getting their information from a government that they grew up trusting and a media that shames them into acceptance of the party line. None of those things justifies the wish for a death sentence for otherwise decent people.
The real villains, who do deserve societal and legal punishment, are the purveyors of the vaxx narrative and corporate leaders who profit from the damage.
flo, i beg to differ. these are not just useless junk. they are death shots or transformational transhumanist injections. I would encourage you to count yourself very blessed that God protected you, or you either got a weakened version, or dummy saline injection.
Not true. They are badly designed pseudo "vaccines" that have a very harsh and dangerous side effect profile. On top of that, they are largely useless as Sars-CoV-2 evolves too fast and as vaccination against respiratory diseases is inherently difficult/impossible.
Initially, I was intrigued by the mRNA concept. Being a biomedical researcher myself I thought that a bit of encapsulated mRNA coding for the Spike protein would simply mimic a local and transient viral infection. I was mildly concerned about autoimmunity and potential endothelial damage but I largely believed in the large trials and preliminary safety data. I have radically changed my mind since then. The trial was probably dishonest, the protection was overstated and wanes extremely fast, the toxicity is too high and cardiovascular damage as well as nerve damage and autoimmunity is a real issue with these failing treatments.
However, I do not believe in long term, hidden damage. V-AIDS is probably also BS, OAS may be an issue but probably not a grave one.
While I strongly disagree with Machival's sentiment, I pray that you're correct. I have 3 adult
children, 2 siblings, an 88 year old Mom, and several close friend who have all taken multiple doses of the vaxx. I'm very happy that you feel well, despite being vaxxed. My concern going forward is that long term effects of the vaxx are unknown since very little testing, either long or short term, was completed on any of the mRNA treatments. It seems to be a roll of the dice.
Don't worry too much, the vast majority of the vaxxed will be fine. Don't listen to the CDC but also don't listen to the rabid antivaxxers, both sides are wrong.
The main reason it hasn't recovered its prior pathogenicity is because everyone has developed some degree of immunity by now. BA.1's intrinsic virulence was lower than Delta's, but as Omicron evolves it starts to pick up many of the traits that worked so well for Delta again, along with the greater virulence.
Unfortunately, the evidence just continues to pile up that mild infections that don't result in hospitalization are still damaging. There is evidence of sustained elevated pro-inflammatory cytokines and microglial activation in the brain after mild infection, resulting in decreased hippocampal neurogenesis (https://t.co/POV0UnJWZS). There is also evidence of T cell loss in mild infections. And of course, we're dealing so far in 2022 with excess mortality comparable to 2020 and 2021, even in 85+ year olds, the sort of cohorts where you would expect to now see negative excess mortality as the victims already had little life expectancy left.
Overall the whole situation just looks pretty awful to me right now, but as the economic damage from the lockdowns piles up and the whole population has received the science juice, the whole system is now forced to pretend everything is normal again.
If you gave people vaccines with negative efficacy, priority number one is creating the appearance that everything is fine. You don't want to end up facing prosecution like the Philippine health secretary and the Sanofi Pasteur scientists did once the Dengvaxxia vaccine proved to make Dengue worse in children who had never been exposed to Dengue before.
I doubt the vaccinated immune response is completely fixed in place, but the bigger question is whether it matters, when unprecedented mass infection and growing viral diversity means our immune response fails to keep up with the pace at which the virus changes. It's a bit like driving your car into a gully during a race. Sure, it can still drive, it's not permanently wrecked and you can probably get it out again, but you lost the race.
The whole situation just looks a lot worse to me than it did in 2020, when waves were small and infection gave 90% protection against reinfection for at least a year. We don't need some sort of ADE doomsday variant, continual repeated mass infection (~13% of the population in Edinburgh right now) throughout the year, with a virus that puts the immune system on high alert seems enough to cause growing widespread health problems over time.
Countries without mass vaccination right now still look as if they're enjoying herd immunity, so I think it really didn't have to end up like this. Unfortunately, the science-juice leads to the sort of adaptive immune response based on neutralizing antibodies that is easy to overcome through a few mutations, whereas natural immunity shows features (NK cell-mediated antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8992321/) that seem harder to overcome. It seems to me the antibodies themselves will change from breakthrough infections, but the immune system stays stuck in a type of response that is vulnerable to mutation.
In the unvaccinated naturally immune we see superior protection against infection and hospitalization, but importantly, we don't really see consistent evidence of a strong neutralizing antibody response against Spike. The body normally seems to protect against reinfection through other routes (trained innate immunity mainly) and so even if the neutralizing antibody response against Spike changes over time from breakthrough infections, it's still a stunted form of immunity that can prohibit the development of herd immunity when most of the population is affected.
"The whole situation just looks a lot worse to me than it did in 2020, when waves were small and infection gave 90% protection against reinfection for at least a year. "
Yep. Original strain wasn't even that contagious. My housemate in March 2020 was infected and we kept hanging out (plus we shared a bathroom, etc.). I never got sick. My dad too cared for my mother while she was sick around the same time, and he never got sick. So many stories like this. Now, with omicron, secondary attack rate is extremely high. When it enters a household nearly every member gets sick.
Regarding herd immunity, it's clear that thanks to mass injections this is now an elusive prospect. When we went into summer 2020, we were clearly at herd immunity and there was zero sickness in northern-latitude countries. Those who had the original strain were largely untouched by alpha and delta in winter/spring 2020-21, or if they were, it was asymptomatic or extremely mild. Natural immunity was doing its job.
And then we fucked it. Since late November 2021, we seem to have constant waves of sickness. I have had omicron twice, six months apart, and this seems to be a common story (I am unvaccinated btw). I know vaccinated people who have been ill just 3 months apart...
I think it's alarming that the normal summer seasonality used to be that there were few viruses lurking in the summer heat. But this combination of ineffective vaccines and lockdowns has changed that- has it changed that for the future as well? Is there going to be a lasting affect on some people's immune systems? I read this on substack, and although I am not going to pretend I understand it completely- I think it's another approach to understanding how the jabs and particularly boosters, are making people more prone to getting sick with omicron.
Yes, and as I understand it this is mainly due to the way the genetic engineers have to fool the immune system in order to make the jab work, with unknown long term effects :-
Winter in the northern hemisphere should be telling. However, Europe in particular, will be distracted by enduring colder weather with less oil and gas supply and inflation. Whether intentional or not, the focus will not be on sars-cov-2 cases.
If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd say that the RPTB just drummed up Ukraine/Russia in order to blame massive excess winter deaths solely on the elderly being unable to keep warm because of Putin.
Seriously though it will become increasingly difficult to track excess deaths attributable to the jab due to time and the ever increasing complexity of sorting these deaths from the general "noise"
Remember it took more than a decade for the USA to realise VIOXX had led to anywhere between half a million and five million deaths due to heart attacks - and that was when the MSM were less complicit (Maybe...).
Those keeping a check on this have some job on their hands - even without , in theUK, theONS being somewhat less thanhonest (See Norman Fenton).
Vioxx was approved in May 1999 and withdrawn in September 2004.
Based on the extra 1.25% per annum death rate from heart attack and 80 million patients who took it, it may have killed a million people.
Vioxx is an excellent example of how rotten the industry is and I have tried in vain to use it as a lesson in caution.
DES is another excellent example of how long it can take to notice the consequences....it was not until 2013 that they found that the daughters of mothers who took it during pregnancy had a higher risk of Ovarian cancer when they reached their 40s. So it took FIFTY YEARS for the full side effect profile to become apparent.
'They' have done an excellent job at creating plenty of plausible deniability scenarios to blame for excess deaths. We haven't began the hype up of deaths due to lockdown measures causing lack of access to preventative healthcare and treatment...
I don't think it's intentional, it's just that German politics is especiqlly stupid anf German politicians seem to find it exceptionally hatd to grasp that there is such a thing as "consequences".
The cold effects us more if we have less food or none . It gets harder to decide what we should be more concerned about ,with so many threats coming at us ,all at the same time .
As our authorities are announcing doubling of electrical prices and rolling blackouts during winter, all we need is a little touch of the Fimbulwinter and Sweden alone could be looking at thousands of dead, or more.
Most of the county is north of the 60th parallel after all.
Do you not think that the vaccinated billions, if they just accept an infection or two and stop boosting, will eventually get to where they need to be in terms of immunity? Tons of vaccinated people are getting- and clearing- covid. So the system still works, no?
yes, if you look at the anti-N antibody data for the vaxxed, they do have *some* specific immune response, just on average it's not optimal. obviously the vaxxed do clear the infections and remain immune in some critical mass to that variant in the future, or 1) the waves wouldn't collapse at all, and 2) the pressure for antigenic drift (what BA.5 seems to be) wouldn't be there.
There is an interesting case study of folks who live in the UAE & Bahrain
They launched Sinopharm/Sinovac over there (inactivated virus) prior to rolling out Pfizer. So, there are at least 1-2mn people who got 2 shots of that kind of vaccine before being told to be boosted by 1-3 shots of Pfizer. There are plenty of European expats who have 5 shots in their arms because they needed 3 EMA approved shots to be able to function in EU during the 2g/pass sanitaire/green pass dark ages
I have been waiting for a data set to come out of this patient population - but I'm not holding my breath
So does that mean the vaccinated will enjoy a lifetime of frequent ‘Colds’ so that CoVid 19 becomes CoVid ♾?
And does the possibility of a vicious variant emerging become more or less likely? I realise a viscious virus is self-limiting, but it can still do a lot of damage first and of course provide the excuse for lockdowns.
And. What is the effect on the unvaccinated from contact with all these mild variants? Will that make our immune systems more hardened to viruses of this nature?
Just like the vaccine justification, I would have gotten really sick today and ended up in the hospital had I not eaten sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast. It was a close call but thanks to my wife mandating the breakfast, I was saved from a horrible outcome today. Imagine if I hadn’t eaten breakfast how bad things would have been.
Hmmm, I don't know about that. Sounds like misinformation to me.
Based on the experience of one subject (me), experts have surmised that sausage gravy and biscuits can lead to severe gastrointestinal issues and should therefore be banned. SGB is also of deep south origin and we all know that nothing good comes from that area!
Tomorrow you had better have an extra dose of sausage gravy so your day will be less serious.
Trust me - when it comes to gravy and biscuits - I am regularly boosted.
Very good. Joining the treatment arm of this study.
Me too
Hurray for the healing properties of sausage gravy and biscuits!
So funny!
It is really odd that we have so many respiratory infections outside of flu season...
it's amazing to me that no one is noting this!
Since every one is now sooo sick with the virus variants ,it seems the new normal is working .I may be the only escape from the virus ,so far ,no shots ever for me or other silly voodoo dramas could be the reason .
I think you might just be correct in saying you may be the only one! I thought I was until about 3 weeks ago . Caught it. Took Ivermectin. Felt 100% by day 4. It was a big nothing burger. 🥱
Where are you getting the IVM?
I got mine thru Push Health. But I will get my next supply thru ivermectin.com. I think they are cheaper or reliablerxpharmacy.com, also cheaper.
Thanks!
Me too actually.
I've heard people claim that "summer colds" are nothing out of the ordinary.
OK, summer colds have always existed, but massive waves of them? At the start of summer and all the way into late July?
Just wrote that and then I saw your comment- absolutely this! Very alarming, very alarming.
It's bad for individuals but good for Big Pharma (profits) and the government (more control).
I guess that means... it's not a problem at all. They can also blame all kind of government failure-- like supply chain issues-- on "C0VID" and get a pass. So really, this whole "everyone sick all the time" works out for Our Betters.
Why it's almost like the majority of the population trashed their immune system. I wonder what could have caused that? I mean it can't be the "vaccines" because we know it's NEVER that.
All of my vaxxed relatives have gotten COVID in the last month or so. I have a double vaxxed cousin who was hospitalized yesterday. He's a previously healthy, thin 67-year-old physician. I'm praying they don't give him remdesivir.
Hope all goes well for your cousin! 🙏🏻
Thank you. Unfortunately, I found out that they've upped his oxygen and he is getting remdesivir and steroids.
Thank you. Unfortunately, they have upped his oxygen, and I found out he is getting remdesivir and steroids. I'm very worried about him.
It's almost as if waves stopped correlating with seasonality and instead started correlating with vaccination drives...
And ACM (all cause mortality) has taken a very weird bump up. From the end of July 2021 until the beginning of March 2022 ACM was way up. Hmmm. It would appear that something seasonal is happening early. We'll see if we get a repeat this year shortly. This graph is for ACM vs Vax % for the USA:
https://i.postimg.cc/Vvyf3Ygh/ACM-vs-Vaccine-Status.png
That is interesting.
You forget we have now a year round vonom injection season .Boosting means busting our health .
It seems that way to me.
Weird a helicopter mom would miss Lyme disease. My son got it from a deer tick, knocked it out with doxycycline.
I think the Lyme disease in those kids is largely irrelevant. My immune system is excellent — not a cold or flu since 2010 — yet in 2017 I got Lyme disease. Relatively quick action with antibiotics nipped it in the bud, hopefully. But without the rash (which only appears in 30% of cases) I would not have known what the problem was. Actually my experience with Lyme greatly contributed to my skepticism about lab tests in general. Testing for Lyme is abysmally inaccurate.
The most concerning thing about an out-of-season wave like this is, what happens in winter? Especially in Europe, where the foreign policy fucktardery of the EU is going to mean cold homes.
But then it will be Putin’s fault.
What do you mean? Just get your third booster before winter, maybe one additional jab in February and everything should be fine. You'll not die of covid. Maybe by SADS but that's normal. By winter it will be proven that SADS is especially dangerous during cold spells. Nothing to worry about long term. By 2030 global warming will hit us so bad that winters will be warmer on Earth than what we have on Venus now.
And ( don’t forget) all the tasty bug protein by 2030 as well !
In Germany, most people rent and many live in apartments. They are at the mercy of their landlords and the government. It's already been announced that 18C during the day and 16C during the night are acceptable minimum temperatures. And hot water will be only periodically available. My prediction is that there will be massive lung infections, mold infestations in poorly heated spaces and lots of people accidentally setting their places on fire.
The excess death numbers are the only thing that matters. Mass asymptomatic infection with a bioengineered virus producing toxic spikes that lodge themselves into every organ in the body is a recipe for disaster. Symptoms of infection are your body’s way of informing you that you’ve been invaded and telling you to chill the fuck out and reserve your energy so your immune system can do its job. Unfortunately there are now billions of people who have turned their bodies into spike manufacturing warehouses and they don’t even know it.
well, more like they do not believe it.
Many spike shotted people still believe the unshotted are the petri dishes of variants.
They continue to point at the mirror
I've named them Jabberwokies.... the jabbed woke crowd who're too blinded by their narcissism to see the real truth. The truth that sets us free is still available to all, only thru Jesus message of humility and trusting God. PPl need to spend their time in the Word and earnestly seeking Godly wisdom and forget the narcissistic agenda and woke MSM 24/7 dribble of satan messages.
"Crisis is the rallying cry of tyrants". James Madison.
The balance between the human immune system and the various pathogens that circulate has been thrown off kilter for sure. Some combination of lockdowns, masking, stress, depression, mass vaccination, spraying disinfectant all over the place has upset the equilibrium. I've noticed many more mild infections in myself and my children (all unvaccinated) over the last 2 years. I've got one right now, nothing much, just a mild sore throat and a bit of fatigue and I'm still testing negative for COVID (I haven't had a positive test yet). Before April 2020, I could often go a couple of years without getting anything. It's a step change in overall rates of illness that I'm seeing in my circles.
I went over 2 years without even a sniffle and then had omicron twice, six months apart. Exactly the same for my partner.
We are both unvaccinated and had mild symptoms lasting no more than 3-4 days each time. Our bouts of omicron occurred after we spent prolonged periods of time with boosted people -- first in January and more recently in June. Omicron spread has entirely coincided with the booster programmes here in the UK, which appear to heighten the window of transmissibility and accelerate immunity-evading mutations.
In eastern Switzerland, we seemed to be catching everything between February and May. Vaxxed and unvaxxed were getting colds, COVID, stomach flu, etc. Now I don’t hear of too many acquaintances being sick this summer. I wonder if lockdown effects are the main culprit for the disease wave in other parts of Europe. We opened up earlier in Switzerland, then it felt like we got hit with so many diseases that we had not been exposed to for two years. Since other European countries opened up a little later, it would make sense for them to be exposed to those same diseases later as well.
In Zürich region I have a completely different experience. Many people sick currently. Including myself if a little bit of joint pain and sore throat can be considered sick but the vaccinated had also fever.
all the jabbed are on round 2 of covid the last few weeks (since january), mild symptoms, but still! A continual quarterly positive test? If I ever have any sore throat I come home and shoot peroxide/water mixture up my nose and gargle just in case and never sick.
I haven't tested myself because with current policies it is absolutely useless. Also I don't care. But if it is covid then I'm on round 2 also. Unvaccinated.
I had those same symptoms when I tested positive on an antigen test in June.
Yeah, that’s interesting I was curious how it was going in other cantons. I haven’t talked to friends from Zürich for a while. Many of the people I know here could not catch a break in spring, but summer hasn’t been as bad, which surprised me because I had heard of so many people in other areas getting sick in summer.
I lost my job, my home and couldn’t even go to the shops. I am so glad I didn’t get the vaccine. So to all those that did, I could care less what happens to you. Just like you didn’t care less when I was being persecuted.
Michael just a small grammar issue. What you mean to say is that you "couldn't care less", as opposed to "could care less". If you use the latter it means that you do care, albeit a small amount.
Respect for your bravery to do the right thing. We must have no mercy or respect for the enemies and the enemies are the vaxxed.
Actually both forms seem to be acceptable now: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/could-couldnt-care-less
Key word"now". I maintain that the change is dumb and does not make sense but I do thank you for the reference.
As a non-native speaker of English I've come across both variants and since "I could care less" sounds so incredibly OFF I had to check it. According to the Oxford Dictionary, "could care less" is American English, Merriam-Webster isn't so sure about that. Anyway, it just sounds so WRONG.
Well, Merriam Webster is plainly wrong.
I agree we need to win the vaxxed over. But I’m just not feeling it yet. They were so hateful to anti experimental rna vaccine people like myself. At the moment I am gloating over their pain, I know this is wrong. Maybe some day I’ll be more charitable. But in a way I don’t want to win them over. What’s the point really, they chose their path. They were so obstinate, they thought they knew it all. There is no taking these shots out of their bodies, it’s too late for them. Nothing you can say to them will alter it. Better to just focus on the undamaged with a full functioning immune system and help them keep the faith.
I understand this urge. But as a Christian in the Church, I still pray for mercy and that the truth is revealed by heroic people like you, Michael. Those of us made of sterner stuff, or that were blessed with an upbringing that instilled skepticism of various aspects of modern institutions, have a stewardship obligation to help our neighbors, where we can and aren’t rejected.
But I will posit there is some truth you are seeing that gives you a resigned attitude. Recall the words of scripture regarding people who refuse to listen to the Lord (“dust off your feet and move on”), or the words for those such as the people of Sodom. There is such a thing as justice against the obstinately foolish or sinful, even as we pray for mercy and awakening.
There is a comparable willful blindness and obstinance in today’s society. We are surrounded by evidence of corruption, available truths and teachings about human nature, and decadent, lazy behavior that is rejected innately by the human heart. Yet our “average civilian” just goes along and often defends and participates in sin, falsehood and corruption. At some point, society just becomes Sodom. There is moral culpability for ignoring the warning sensors in our hearts.
It is in that regard you should comfort yourself, that the truly obstinate won’t be helped no matter how we act; but leave prayer for them as a last resort, as God can touch where we cannot.
Nicely put.
Michael, many of them were pressured into taking the vaccine, there was not much of q choice for them. Kudos to you for not giving in to the pressure that must have been put on you, you seem to be made of sterner stuff than most.
There was no real pressure though for MOST of them. MSM propaganda does not count. No. They WANTED it. They are SCUM.
This is definitely not true for my circke of friends, acquaintances, colleagues, parents I know. Most people got the vaccine bc they would not have been able to see their eldery parents, keep their jobs, get into public spaces, travel etc. Plus they were told the vacc. Were safe and recommended by everyone and their cat. They had no cause to be concerned and alarmed and were told they were doing the right thing. They are NOT scum, they are your friend and relatives and colleagues that got played.
They are scum because they wanted the vaccine? Right...
Curious- is there data available to investigate the differences between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population in Europe? In the U.S., the vaccinated are richer, less likely to smoke, less obese, have longer life expectancies and lower death rates, making observational data confounded.
https://inumero.substack.com/p/we-dont-know-if-covid-vaccinations?r=tv61s&utm_medium=ios
I just hope more and more vaxxed bite the dust. It is what they wanted after all.
this is horrible to say. many were under duress; all were misled.
most people just have no idea about any of this and just do what the newspapers and the politicians advise.
It's a very sad state of affairs. So many are woefully unprepared for this winter :( Mostly the elderly are going to really suffer on their fixed budgets.
I agree with you ,as it is also my worry ,what the Exterminaters will do next . I have no fear of the flu bug ,but what our enemies will put us through ,in the next few month will be worse than what they did to us already . All the warnings are out there .
I'm mixed in this, some of my friends and family mocked the idea that the injections were dangerous from the beginning, even when I showed them all the reasons for caution.
Obviously I care about them and want them to be safe, but the same couldn't be said of them when I and my family refused the injections.
I know, it’s harsh. Quite honestly, I don’t understand it either.
Yes just today I had a conversation with a friend about covid. She is triple vaxxed and is completely oblivious to any of this, i.e. immune fixation + repeated infections, possible integration into the genome, side effects, immune escape as by Geert, etc. It is heartbreaking to watch what people are inflicting on themselves simply due to ignorance (or due to providence? some form of twisted determinism?).
At the same time, I don't have the heart to tell my friends about any of this, since they really appear to be more happy living in ignorance (which is their right to do so obviously). So instead I just try to point out small and unharmful facts from publicly available data hoping that they finally connect the dots for their own good and avoid further possible harm... But it is just so very tiresome :(
A lot of people would rather die than think, literally.
At least you have the energy to talk to people about it. I don't. The answer is always the same: "I have to get it to keep my elderly parent safe and my doctor told me to do it."
Believe it or not, most of the vaxxed will actually be fine. Me included. My immune system is just as good as before the shots, I never get i'll.
I most certainly hope you're right.
I recently met up with a friend who's lived in Canada the past 8 years.
When we touched on covid, she made it clear she 100% believes the narrative. I started to veer into the topic of vaccines and she immediately volunteered that her 6-year-old child is vaccinated.
I decided that in the interests of having a harmonious time, I would just avoid the topic. The brainwashing is too entrenched.
In the US, they listen to their doctors and TV news, most especially those over 65.
As my late father would say, "if your doctor told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?"
For many senior citizens, the answer seems to be "yes."
As a senior citizen, if we define as over 65; I didn’t buy in. AND will not
And I am 74 and didn't buy into it. But I have not bought into vaccines or the "sickcare" system for many years. Had a mom who taught me about health and nutrition and taking responsibility for my own health, not relying on drs, neighbors or the government. I worked for the pharmaceutical industry for years and I know how evil they are.
Have you ever been to the US? How many old people do you know? You're just a parrot.
I live in the US. The majority of the people I know are over 50. Sorry to rain on your parade. I'm also glad that many people here that are over 50 did NOT buy into the game. Most of the people I know did, I'm sorry to say.
I just don't know why some people have to make these all-knowing statements about how everyone in a certain group does this or that. Also: the people you know may not represent all people in their demographic. It may be more accurate to say, the old Americans I know personally are...And I can say, the ones I know aren't.
Sadly true. Most people don’t understand DNA, RNA, transcription, and translation. Immune system, ah no. Gene therapy? No way. Original antigenetic sin, nah. There is a lot of educating that needs to be done for the survivors.
Which does not excuse them from critical thinking and curiosity….
Do you have any critical thinking and curiosity? What's your excuse?
Yes, horrible to say, but; most, and I do mean most, of those folks who were misled to be jabbed would have had me put in a camp somewhere for being unvaxxed, many still would. Only obvious and catastrophic deaths in the vaxxed, including vaxxed dead babies, will make folks realize what's been done and these deaths are now happening regardless of any of our feelings about it. In addition, the vax damaged will need LOTS OF CARE, and guess who will be giving that care? Folks like me, unjabbed who can't walk away.
I completely agree jacquelyn. Of course I feel very bad for the jabbed children and those forced to choose between supporting their families and submitting. The others are clearly our enemy, the source of power for the tyrants behind this, they don't wish us well so I'd be a fool to wish them well. That would be pure masochism.
Thank you ASOTS for your message and sentiments. I used to say I was just different than everybody, an outlier. Somewhere between autistic and artistic, depending on the angle of the sun. Going off on my own is my typical m o and in this case it saved my life I am sure. I am female (rhymes with tamale), low weight, already had a strange respitory flu 11/2019* and have a formaldehyde 'allergy' (carpet installations). So I probs would have had some kind of reaction or worse. I hope you are able to detox from things proactively. One thing is I DID have 1 Covid test and so I may have 'gotten my nanobits' or circuitry that way, I do wonder. I am starting to believe Harari when he said that our own thoughts are a thing of the past, when I see how folks seem to be avoiding certain thoughts completely, as if truly unthinkable. The cog dis is quite horrid for all of us who can sorta see the plan in the 'demic. I hear there is now ways to disable the bluetooth signals some seem to be emmitting. (Spanish research, off platform searches) .Gosh, there is just so much to talk about. And I never even liked Sci Fi anyway. There are just so many jabbed who dug in, some will never see it at all I am sure as you said. Best
*around Chinese nationals in Oregon for work
That statement denies that people have agency and free will or moral guidance.
Under duress… many were fired, quit their job. Had everyone, or near everyone done so the ‘duress’ would have been short lived.
My father and others of that time went to war and faced bullets, shells, bombs and extreme hardship to preserve freedom, all people had to do during the last two years was say, No.
John, Don't quite agree with you about the war - most were conscripted if they didn't sign up and there was massive social pressure calling anyone a coward who dared to resist.
A bit like us true bloods and the covidians... I fully expect them to come for me again, it's only a matter of time. I hope I am strong enough, but to lose everything? That's a big ask.
True but the contrast is between their real danger and what they had to endure and lose - their lives. Nobody was being forced to face down the CoVid tyranny, it was entirely voluntary and non-life threatening.
I lived in France for 20 years. I was content there, had made my life there, had no intentions of leaving. By mid-2021 life in France unless vaccinated became impossible - deliberately so. Macron said he would make life so difficult for ‘the shits’ they would be forced to get vaccinated.
I put my house on the market, left most of my furniture, gave to charity clothes and other items, packed my car with as much as I could and came back to the UK, lived in a hotel for 6 weeks until I could find a place to rent.
I did my bit. Am I unreasonable to expect others to do no less?
John, That is awful! You have lost everything.
It's not for me to judge the actions or motives of others. But I too felt persecuted and threatened for standing firm and refusing the shots. We all have our breaking point, I just hope I never have to experience mine...
Good luck for your future!
Thanks for your good wishes. I didn’t lose everything - goods and chattels are replaceable, my house sold, and I’ve found a good place to live - I kept my self-respect, my individuality, my agency and free will - and it seems my health too - none of which are replaceable.
Also via sites like this, it’s nice to know there are kindred spirits and I’m not alone. I wish you well.
fee will indeed....
Sorry not all where misled ,any able to use critical thinking and common sense are outside of the sheep corral ,from the beginning of open season for the rest .
You're very right. My husband and I spent a lot of time talking to family and close friends about all the risks and what this could do to them. And... everyone simply shrugged and said "my doctor recommended it."
People didn't want to use common sense. They didn't want to use critical thinking. They just wanted a Magic Shot that would make them safe from the C0VID boogeyman, regardless of the consequences.
"this is horrible to say. many were under duress; all were misled."
Horrible for you and for snowflake people, maybe.
For people who had to put up with so much crap in their lives because of complicit morons, it is not horrible, just a normal, sensible thought.
M: realize that if 50% of the global population rapidly dies, you might starve to death as the supply chains all around the world break apart and mankind rapidly retreats back to the 1900. We should pray for God's mercy and grace to break the back of lies and break off the effects of this demonically inspired agenda.
It may become a very quiet world ten years from now.
This is nonsense. I am very prepared, let the worst come, I am ready.
M: my response is to be grateful to God that I am alive and not to have fallen to the planetary deception. thankfulness provides wisdom and clarity when everyone will be crying for the punishment of the those who enabled the deception to occur and help carry it out. I think that is the Bible's take on it.
I have often wondered if somewhere in the offices of Eco Health Alliance there is a recipe for something that will make the body STOP making spike proteins.
Aka... the antidote to the vaxx.
Only in a fantasy world are these people that competent.
They are like a monkey with a machine gun with gain of function.
This sentiment is very similar to those who were happy to report illness upon the unvaxxed in summer of 2021, and who seemed actually pleased at the prospect of their fellow citizen keeling over. Simply because they didn't do the "right" thing. All of us have family and friends who took the jab(s) for a variety of well intentioned reasons such as preserving their sources of income and trying to protect loved ones. Virtually all were misled.
No it is not.
I'm no expert on the soul but I feel it can'tbe good for one's soul to walk about wishing people would die whose only fault it was to believe the government and its "experts".
'I just hope more and more vaxxed bite the dust. It is what they wanted after all.'
And those of us who were bamboozled into the original vaccinations, and have since regretted it, we are worthless also? Seems to me people who can describe how their attitude was changed might be helpful in trying to convince those who are still brainwashed.
Exactly. The argument that "well, they were willing to put me in a camp for the unvaccinated, so I'll smile while they all die" may be a tempting argument for some, it is clearly as wrong-headed as the the argument that it supplants. First, don't for one minute believe that any but a small, weirded-our minority would actively advocate for that, even if mass hysteria could bring in some supporters.
Second, most of the vaxxed that I know are often either threatened with job loss, isolation, or coerced in some way. At the very least, they are, like the majority, getting their information from a government that they grew up trusting and a media that shames them into acceptance of the party line. None of those things justifies the wish for a death sentence for otherwise decent people.
The real villains, who do deserve societal and legal punishment, are the purveyors of the vaxx narrative and corporate leaders who profit from the damage.
"purveyors of the vaxx narrative" but don't forget the creators of this tragedy! The world has been victimized by a small number of insane people.
Oh, We should never forget. And I would argue that they are likely not clinically insane, but insane with greed and power, which is far worse.
People who can admit their own stupidity and flaws can deserve a small form of respect, yes. I still don't feel sorry if they get Darwinned, though.
Sorry, won't happen. I am vaxxed and I feel just fine. Pretty confident that will hold up. The vax either hurts you right away or not at all.
Will not get any more of those jabs, though, they are useless junk.
flo, i beg to differ. these are not just useless junk. they are death shots or transformational transhumanist injections. I would encourage you to count yourself very blessed that God protected you, or you either got a weakened version, or dummy saline injection.
Not true. They are badly designed pseudo "vaccines" that have a very harsh and dangerous side effect profile. On top of that, they are largely useless as Sars-CoV-2 evolves too fast and as vaccination against respiratory diseases is inherently difficult/impossible.
Initially, I was intrigued by the mRNA concept. Being a biomedical researcher myself I thought that a bit of encapsulated mRNA coding for the Spike protein would simply mimic a local and transient viral infection. I was mildly concerned about autoimmunity and potential endothelial damage but I largely believed in the large trials and preliminary safety data. I have radically changed my mind since then. The trial was probably dishonest, the protection was overstated and wanes extremely fast, the toxicity is too high and cardiovascular damage as well as nerve damage and autoimmunity is a real issue with these failing treatments.
However, I do not believe in long term, hidden damage. V-AIDS is probably also BS, OAS may be an issue but probably not a grave one.
It's good that you are ok, maybe you are of the lucky ones who received placebos.
Otherwise it is just a matter of time. Without a fuctional immune system, it's hard, you know...
Winter is coming in a few months... it's easy to act brave during summer, just sayin.
Was Not a placebo, the second Moderna shot made me very sick for three days. Recovered without lasting damage, though.
While I strongly disagree with Machival's sentiment, I pray that you're correct. I have 3 adult
children, 2 siblings, an 88 year old Mom, and several close friend who have all taken multiple doses of the vaxx. I'm very happy that you feel well, despite being vaxxed. My concern going forward is that long term effects of the vaxx are unknown since very little testing, either long or short term, was completed on any of the mRNA treatments. It seems to be a roll of the dice.
Don't worry too much, the vast majority of the vaxxed will be fine. Don't listen to the CDC but also don't listen to the rabid antivaxxers, both sides are wrong.
The main reason it hasn't recovered its prior pathogenicity is because everyone has developed some degree of immunity by now. BA.1's intrinsic virulence was lower than Delta's, but as Omicron evolves it starts to pick up many of the traits that worked so well for Delta again, along with the greater virulence.
Unfortunately, the evidence just continues to pile up that mild infections that don't result in hospitalization are still damaging. There is evidence of sustained elevated pro-inflammatory cytokines and microglial activation in the brain after mild infection, resulting in decreased hippocampal neurogenesis (https://t.co/POV0UnJWZS). There is also evidence of T cell loss in mild infections. And of course, we're dealing so far in 2022 with excess mortality comparable to 2020 and 2021, even in 85+ year olds, the sort of cohorts where you would expect to now see negative excess mortality as the victims already had little life expectancy left.
Overall the whole situation just looks pretty awful to me right now, but as the economic damage from the lockdowns piles up and the whole population has received the science juice, the whole system is now forced to pretend everything is normal again.
If you gave people vaccines with negative efficacy, priority number one is creating the appearance that everything is fine. You don't want to end up facing prosecution like the Philippine health secretary and the Sanofi Pasteur scientists did once the Dengvaxxia vaccine proved to make Dengue worse in children who had never been exposed to Dengue before.
I doubt the vaccinated immune response is completely fixed in place, but the bigger question is whether it matters, when unprecedented mass infection and growing viral diversity means our immune response fails to keep up with the pace at which the virus changes. It's a bit like driving your car into a gully during a race. Sure, it can still drive, it's not permanently wrecked and you can probably get it out again, but you lost the race.
The whole situation just looks a lot worse to me than it did in 2020, when waves were small and infection gave 90% protection against reinfection for at least a year. We don't need some sort of ADE doomsday variant, continual repeated mass infection (~13% of the population in Edinburgh right now) throughout the year, with a virus that puts the immune system on high alert seems enough to cause growing widespread health problems over time.
Countries without mass vaccination right now still look as if they're enjoying herd immunity, so I think it really didn't have to end up like this. Unfortunately, the science-juice leads to the sort of adaptive immune response based on neutralizing antibodies that is easy to overcome through a few mutations, whereas natural immunity shows features (NK cell-mediated antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8992321/) that seem harder to overcome. It seems to me the antibodies themselves will change from breakthrough infections, but the immune system stays stuck in a type of response that is vulnerable to mutation.
In the unvaccinated naturally immune we see superior protection against infection and hospitalization, but importantly, we don't really see consistent evidence of a strong neutralizing antibody response against Spike. The body normally seems to protect against reinfection through other routes (trained innate immunity mainly) and so even if the neutralizing antibody response against Spike changes over time from breakthrough infections, it's still a stunted form of immunity that can prohibit the development of herd immunity when most of the population is affected.
"The whole situation just looks a lot worse to me than it did in 2020, when waves were small and infection gave 90% protection against reinfection for at least a year. "
Yep. Original strain wasn't even that contagious. My housemate in March 2020 was infected and we kept hanging out (plus we shared a bathroom, etc.). I never got sick. My dad too cared for my mother while she was sick around the same time, and he never got sick. So many stories like this. Now, with omicron, secondary attack rate is extremely high. When it enters a household nearly every member gets sick.
Regarding herd immunity, it's clear that thanks to mass injections this is now an elusive prospect. When we went into summer 2020, we were clearly at herd immunity and there was zero sickness in northern-latitude countries. Those who had the original strain were largely untouched by alpha and delta in winter/spring 2020-21, or if they were, it was asymptomatic or extremely mild. Natural immunity was doing its job.
And then we fucked it. Since late November 2021, we seem to have constant waves of sickness. I have had omicron twice, six months apart, and this seems to be a common story (I am unvaccinated btw). I know vaccinated people who have been ill just 3 months apart...
It is quite possible that the increase in respiratory disease of all kinds is due to immune systems weakened by the COVID injections.
I think it's alarming that the normal summer seasonality used to be that there were few viruses lurking in the summer heat. But this combination of ineffective vaccines and lockdowns has changed that- has it changed that for the future as well? Is there going to be a lasting affect on some people's immune systems? I read this on substack, and although I am not going to pretend I understand it completely- I think it's another approach to understanding how the jabs and particularly boosters, are making people more prone to getting sick with omicron.
https://unglossed.substack.com/p/boosting-tolerance-igg4
Yes, and as I understand it this is mainly due to the way the genetic engineers have to fool the immune system in order to make the jab work, with unknown long term effects :-
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X
Winter in the northern hemisphere should be telling. However, Europe in particular, will be distracted by enduring colder weather with less oil and gas supply and inflation. Whether intentional or not, the focus will not be on sars-cov-2 cases.
If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd say that the RPTB just drummed up Ukraine/Russia in order to blame massive excess winter deaths solely on the elderly being unable to keep warm because of Putin.
Seriously though it will become increasingly difficult to track excess deaths attributable to the jab due to time and the ever increasing complexity of sorting these deaths from the general "noise"
Remember it took more than a decade for the USA to realise VIOXX had led to anywhere between half a million and five million deaths due to heart attacks - and that was when the MSM were less complicit (Maybe...).
Those keeping a check on this have some job on their hands - even without , in theUK, theONS being somewhat less thanhonest (See Norman Fenton).
Vioxx was approved in May 1999 and withdrawn in September 2004.
Based on the extra 1.25% per annum death rate from heart attack and 80 million patients who took it, it may have killed a million people.
Vioxx is an excellent example of how rotten the industry is and I have tried in vain to use it as a lesson in caution.
DES is another excellent example of how long it can take to notice the consequences....it was not until 2013 that they found that the daughters of mothers who took it during pregnancy had a higher risk of Ovarian cancer when they reached their 40s. So it took FIFTY YEARS for the full side effect profile to become apparent.
'They' have done an excellent job at creating plenty of plausible deniability scenarios to blame for excess deaths. We haven't began the hype up of deaths due to lockdown measures causing lack of access to preventative healthcare and treatment...
I don't think it's intentional, it's just that German politics is especiqlly stupid anf German politicians seem to find it exceptionally hatd to grasp that there is such a thing as "consequences".
The cold effects us more if we have less food or none . It gets harder to decide what we should be more concerned about ,with so many threats coming at us ,all at the same time .
As our authorities are announcing doubling of electrical prices and rolling blackouts during winter, all we need is a little touch of the Fimbulwinter and Sweden alone could be looking at thousands of dead, or more.
Most of the county is north of the 60th parallel after all.
Wastewater monitoring....stay out of our shit, government.
Why not send all our shit to the government for testing and tasting ,instead of sending taxes .?
Do you not think that the vaccinated billions, if they just accept an infection or two and stop boosting, will eventually get to where they need to be in terms of immunity? Tons of vaccinated people are getting- and clearing- covid. So the system still works, no?
yes, if you look at the anti-N antibody data for the vaxxed, they do have *some* specific immune response, just on average it's not optimal. obviously the vaxxed do clear the infections and remain immune in some critical mass to that variant in the future, or 1) the waves wouldn't collapse at all, and 2) the pressure for antigenic drift (what BA.5 seems to be) wouldn't be there.
There is an interesting case study of folks who live in the UAE & Bahrain
They launched Sinopharm/Sinovac over there (inactivated virus) prior to rolling out Pfizer. So, there are at least 1-2mn people who got 2 shots of that kind of vaccine before being told to be boosted by 1-3 shots of Pfizer. There are plenty of European expats who have 5 shots in their arms because they needed 3 EMA approved shots to be able to function in EU during the 2g/pass sanitaire/green pass dark ages
I have been waiting for a data set to come out of this patient population - but I'm not holding my breath
So does that mean the vaccinated will enjoy a lifetime of frequent ‘Colds’ so that CoVid 19 becomes CoVid ♾?
And does the possibility of a vicious variant emerging become more or less likely? I realise a viscious virus is self-limiting, but it can still do a lot of damage first and of course provide the excuse for lockdowns.
And. What is the effect on the unvaccinated from contact with all these mild variants? Will that make our immune systems more hardened to viruses of this nature?