Two things: First is the obvious sadism, but second, if this started spreading around from May of 2019 and people weren't dying in droves, it's not COVID that's killing people, but the reaction to COVID. You take Sweden as a "control" group experiment (no extra deaths even though they basically lived life through this whole thing normally with only the most minimal concessions in early 2020) and the fact that we were clearly living with COVID for the later part of 2019 and early 2020 w/o people dying in the streets and overrunning hospitals, and what you have to conclude is that we have killed people not by doing too little to counter COVID but by doing too much.
the evidence for early spread (in Europe especially) is very interesting - maybe I'll do a post on it soon. it definitely suggests you can have substantial numbers of infections, over several months, with nobody really noticing.
That's very important like when I possibly contracted the disease in Sydney in 2019. I was quite ill for a couple of days (I was unwell for 5-7 days) but had a busy schedule, so was out and about, also using public transit. So I think the disease probably was present in hyper-sensitive Australia way before the panic starting March 2020. It only becomes noticeable when it enters an elderly care facility or starts impacting frail elderly. So Italy has demonstrated that the virus was already there in Sep-Oct 2019 through examination of cancer screening samples. But it did not become noticeable until authorities knew about "covid" and significant numbers of elderly started dying. Also, the influenza season in Italy had been mild so many elderly who might normally have met died were still alive in March 2020.
I looked up the flu season 2019 in Australia. It was "bad" but early meaning that it started in March 2019 and peaked early. By the end in Sep 2019 there was not much at all detected. I would have been very unlucky in November and that's why I thought back then that the Chinese at my hotel brought the flu from the northern hemisphere.
They’ve found Covid in sewage samples from May 2019. The video I heard that from (Dr John Campbell discussing the paper that presented that info), had tonnes of comments from people all over the world (Canada, London, USA) who swore they had had Covid in 2019).
I think the sewage in Spain was actually March 2019, which is probably too early. Also they tested every month from 2018 and there was nothing between March 2019 and Jan 2020, so it must have been a contaminated sample. I don't know if there was a follow up. However, Jan 2020 was actually a month or two before the first official case in Spain.
the March 2019 finding was suspect and the authors removed it from the final, published version of their paper - it was either contamination or another SARS-related virus (which is not impossible, the do jump to humans sometimes, but normally they can’t spread very well among them)
If so you'd expect an enormous incidence of the disease in Australia by now given that they've apparently dished out some 40 million tests now !! Or: if those tests are not detecting the virus it must be those people are well cured? No remains.
What would an antibody test reveal?
I think it looks like covid wasn't in Aus in 19 in light of these tests, don't you?
Arthur, I also think you should read the next article, which addresses/ counters your comment. There is nothing "magical" about this coronavirus compared to others, although the emerging variants appear to be slightly more contagious. It is highly likely that I did not spread it to anybody. Another point is that according to a Dutch study, adults with children in the winter tested positive to two rhinoviruses on average. That's the danger of PCR testing, which started in March in Australia. There was a small peak end March and then it dropped to nearly zero. What stopped it was restrictions on incoming passengers. The reality is that from let's say October 2019 to March 2020 there was little noticeable spread thanks to this being the Australian summer and of course that they were not running tests. Most of it was probably being fed by foreign travel. The next outbreak happened in June 2020 in Victoria, which gets relatively cold in the winter and allows the virus to spread more effectively. That's when the sociopath premier started his 1984 lockdown antics, and he is still at it.
okay. where is the 'next article'? there seems to be no links back and forth. but I say a simple thing, ask a simple question, could you not answer it in principle in a few words? I'm just saying that if the disease was there in 2019 as you suggest shouldn't it show large numbers of pcr positives now? whereas actually they're miniscule. and by the way does anyone know what pcr cycles they are using around australia? and how about technical information on the 'setting' of the pcr machines? I mean they get 'loaded' or 'set' to search for a certain molecule don't they? what are they searching for, what are they finding?
The next article posted by eugyppius, which is a follow up to this one. In Australia and NZ they use 40 cycles. The point that I and eugyppius make is that the corona was not spreading that fast anywhere. PCR only tells you that you have been exposed and frantic testing starting in March 2020 made it seem a lot worse than it was.. The whole idea about asymptomatic spreading is largely nonsense, which is a concept that underscores the mask idiocy.
My claim that I caught it from a Chinese person in my hotel is reasonable, but it is also likely that it did not spread further is also reasonable. In fact, it did not spread to 3 other family members that I spent time with in a 2BR aparthotel. The inflow of the virus into Australia was 100% dependent on air travel.
Australia, particularly NSW had a peak in PCR cases around April 1 2020 after they had started testing in March. Then thanks to the onset of hot weather and requiring isolation by travelers (and most importantly hotel quarantine from March 27, 2020), cases dropped. The winter outbreak in Victoria in June 2020 happened as a result of "errors" in hotel quarantine. But then because of the seasonality (Melbourne is quite cold in the winter) the spread was greater at that time of year, and then it petered out thanks to seasonality. (Of course Victoria implemented harsh lockdowns as well, but we know that they don't work well.)
If you have ever been to Sydney, you would realize that there are (were) huge numbers of Chinese travelling back and forth. Also the original virus was not that transmissive. I did not transmit whatever I had to my family, for example. Now in July 2021, my young kids showed immunity (fought off) the likely Delta variant, so I expect that they had the same immunity in 2019. My wife did get infected in 2021 and had a worse case than me, but both would be considered mild. She normally never contracts respiratory illnesses whereas I get colds all the time.
Truth is I’ve watched too many videos! It wasn’t listed as stress cardiomyopathy though. It was a rumble presentation by a doctor who calmly went through all the slides from the CDC. I have a screen shot on my phone because I found that little nugget of info so interesting. I’m not sure how I can post that here :/
What amazes me is that this level of analysis is being done and disseminated in public. In normal times, we would have expected this type of analysis to be performed by various intelligence agencies.
Now? I can’t shake the feeling that the agencies really aren’t doing analysis like this anymore. The public and private companies are.
Nobody is doing the analysis except people like eugyppius (many banned from Twitter- another whole issue with the media) here on places like substack. It’s like what Alex Berenson said, when The Lancet put Peter Dasacz on the team studying the origination of the virus, it was like putting OJSimpson on the investigation of the murder of Nicole Simpson. All medical studies, and 50% of the FDA and CDC are sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, leading to bias in all decisions or findings at the inception. We have to find a way to kick that influence out.
The key to understanding the intelligence agencies is that up to 1990 they had their own private little environment to work in - playing the Cold War. They had established budgets and skill sets established since the 1940s - in some cases since teh 1910s.
Then, all of a sudden, their world collapsed togather with the Berlin Wall. Ever since then they have been looking for a job, and trying to justify their existence. They CLAIM to be 'protecting the country' - in fact they are trying to protect themselves. And the best way to ensure that they keep having a job is to ensure that the world remains a dangerous place...
If true, this effectively puts the last nail in the coffin of the idea that it was a deliberate release as biowarfare. A deliberately released bioweapon wouldn't have been released locally first, wouldn't have taken a year to reach its enemy targets, and wouldn't have prompted these panicked control responses.
It is therefore further support of the idea that Sars-Cov-2 got out accidentally, the Chinese government tried to control it at first with help from sympathetic international agencies like at Event 201, and when they realised had failed they decided to implement their biowarfare plans (like the fake videos) belatedly. Fuck-up, followed by opportunism.
Unless, you subscribe to the possibility that it was the C IA that made sure it got released in the Wuhan Lab and then they could point the finger of blame at China. It’s not a stretch when you think that the Vault release in Wikileaks showed how the C IA hacked other countries and then left breadcrumbs as if another country had done the crime.
Plus, paperwork exists that this very same work from Ecohealth offering to cleave and do chimeric work on bat viruses in Wuhan was offered to DARPA. It was officially turned down, but who’s to say another department (who obviously wouldn’t leave paperwork behind) took the offer? Just food for thought.
The problem is, that also doesn't make sense of the events.
• Covid has crippled the West far worse than China: if it were a CIA attack to harm China, why undermine it by implementing far more harmful measures in the US?
• Why did the US and CIA not follow up on the supposed attack in any way over the following year? A real attack would have been accompanied by other measures, or it would be bizarre and pointless.
• And it also doesn't explain why the Chinese released the fake scare-videos of people collapsing in the street and being instantly carried off by hazmat-suited medics. The Chinese would have had a good idea privately if it were a CIA attack: the CIA aren't undetectable ninjas. Why bother releasing this fake footage, a year later, for a foreign attack?
No, the CIA theory makes no sense at all, and that it has only been pushed by the Chinese government is revealing.
I understand that it involves stepping back a bit, but there are many parties who stood to benefit from the release of the virus. I always found it odd that the Obama Administration allowed gain of function studies again on US soil 10 days before the inauguration of Trump. There are so many monetary alliances it isn’t easy to sift through all of them at once.
But one thing is clear, the Pentagon knew what was going on in Wuhan and millions were going in that direction. I don’t completely agree with this article, but it does shed a bit more light on the complexities of who stood to benefit the most. Mind you, if you asked me this even 12 months ago I would have thought it is crazy conspiracy stuff.
There’s also a character names Lutz or something that promotes it. I agree it makes no narrative sense. Especially when the people walking around announcing the plans on video in 2019 are Fauci, etc. None of this required the CIA. Just Gates-money, a desire to make democracy obsolete and or depopulate the Earth, and an incredible over-estimation of the ability to rule over rural America from a press room.
the problem with the gates theories, which star alternately the virus and the vaccine, is that both virus & vaxx fall in that weird space of being just bad enough to be the locus of unforeseen (largely self-imposed) public health disasters, while not being nearly bad enough to accomplish any of the evil tasks assigned to them.
The virus could never be bad enough. At worst it revealed the extent of our general degradation of immune health, though there could have some specific type of priming / ADE that influenced who was affected. That isn’t the same as a ceiling for how “bad” an injected spike script can be especially w.r.t cancer, cardio, and fertility risks. In fact there really isn’t a ceiling: The only people who think there is one - that you can’t possibly depopulate the world with an mRNA script for any routine viral glycoprotein - are the middle-of-the-chain, low-imagination experts witlessly fact-checking on behalf of the people announcing the plan ahead of time.
the vaccines: there's evidence that they're substantially more dangerous than our legacy vaccine products. there's no evidence at all that they achieve world-depopulation levels of risk.
Agreed. You can pinpoint when the opportunism button got pushed when suddenly Tom Hanks was telling everyone the first list of propaganda bullet points: Stay Home Stay Safe, how to wash your hands, etc. and Fauci suddenly said he wouldn't go to a restaurant. March 2020.
Thanks for more great detective work and another delicious mystery for us to sink our teeth into, eugyppius.
What I find perplexing is why the PCR test would have been used if this were a coverup operation. The value of the PCR test to TPTB is its ability to “find almost anything in anybody,” as its inventor Kary Mullis said prior to his timely demise in August 2019.
The PCR test—as it has been deployed in this manufactured crisis—is all about inflating an imaginary or negligible threat to terrorizing proportions as justification for unleashing authoritarian measures and bilking the public out of trillions of dollars. Why would they consider it “the methodology of choice for pathogen detection” and genuinely use it as an assessment tool for an outbreak they were trying to keep hidden? Is it possible the stockpiling of PCR tests was made in anticipation of the coming crisis they were in the process of concocting?
For those interested in an exhaustively documented report on PCR tests prepared by a former principal researcher at Queensland Health, see the Petitions section of my Down Under Edition of Recommendations Roundup (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/recommendations-roundup-2-down-under-41b), where you’ll find more details about the author as well as two other comprehensive reports on masks and lockdowns.
Psychological warfare (PSYWAR), or the basic aspects of modern psychological operations (PsyOp), have been known by many other names or terms, including Military Information Support Operations (MISO), Psy Ops, political warfare, "Hearts and Minds", and propaganda.[1] The term is used "to denote any action which is practiced mainly by psychological methods with the aim of evoking a planned psychological reaction in other people".[2]
Various techniques are used, and are aimed at influencing a target audience's value system, belief system, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. It is used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics. It is also used to destroy the morale of enemies through tactics that aim to depress troops' psychological states.
There are so many psychological elements to this whole scenario. Fear being the apparent main driver. But what about the placebo effect of the shots? If you are fully emotionally invested in the efficacy of the shots and their protection, and anxiety is the number 2 co-morbidity, that might be also keeping people out of the hospitals. They mainly gauge the oxygenation levels of the blood and people hyperventilating at the beginning of the crisis got sadly intubated right away, leading to higher death rates. So many paths to take that can be skewing the final outcomes.
This is war. They are coming for the children. You are talking about oxygenation. If bombs were being dropped, this thread wouldn't exist. Perhaps it's my class, but I suspect cowardice.
I believe that I contracted corona when I spent nearly 3 weeks in an apart-hotel in Sydney in Nov 2019. Most of the guests were Chinese...... I guessed at the time that it was influenza due to the body aches and sudden onset, and that the Chinese spread it to me from the northern hemisphere because November in Sydney is far outside their flu season with temps in the 30s. I think that I have gotten influenza twice in my lifetime; the latest was possibly during H1N1 in April 2009, but it could have just been a bad cold.
Also, outside Washington DC in Springfield, VA there was an outbreak in an elderly care home where 60 out of 260 became ill with a respiratory disease. 23 were hospitalized and 3 died. The local government became very defensive in 2020 when rumors started stating that tests found rhinovirus and haemophilus influenzae (a bacterium). Why the wouldn't rerun samples in 2020 was puzzling. Rhinovirus can kill very frail elderly, but is usually much milder than for example the common cold coronaviruses. It is also ubiquitous if you do PCR testing. I recall a study in Holland that showed that adults with kids typically tested positive via PCR for at least two rhinoviruses in the winter, usually without being ill. I believe that h. influenzae are carried by many people and it is an opportunistic pathogen. Actual HiB disease is very uncommon even among adults who have not been vaccinated.
This is from the local govt in Virginia, which is very left wing following a typical "fact checking" narrative:
Fact: Testing of specimens collected during the outbreak of respiratory illness at Greenspring in July 2019 showed several bacteria, including Haemophilus influenzae (H. flu) and rhinovirus, the cause of the common cold. There is no need to re-investigate the outbreak. At the time, the Virginia Department of Health put out an alert about an increase in respiratory illnesses in long-term care facilities .
The first human cases of COVID-19 were identified in Wuhan City, China in December 2019. At this stage, it is not possible to determine precisely how humans in China were initially infected. The first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the United States was reported on January 20, 2020 in Snohomish County, Washington and the first confirmed case in Virginia was reported on March 7, 2020. WHO Source , VDH Source
For H. Influenzae illness the incidence for elderly in the US is 6 per 100k annually based on 2011 data, so tiny compared to rhinovirus. I saw somewhere that 42% of the population carry the bacterium, so is generally opportunistic following a viral infection. For rhinovirus I found an English study from 1992 where none of the elderly were hospitalized although 25% were bed-ridden. (One actually died but seems to have suffered from severe COPD.) In Virginia one third of the elderly were hospitalized. Greenspring is also an expensive place so would have a socioeconomic advantage in terms of health compared to random plebs in England.. Rhinovirus??
When this re-surfaced around May 2020, the "elite" was pushing hard for the wet market narrative, so their "B team" in Fairfax County did not want to upset the agenda set by the overlords like Fauci and co. Imagine if they tested the samples and found SARS-Cov2? I think the CCP media was actually pushing the Greenspring story to show that the virus originated in the US. A curious mind like mine wonders if one of the 60 or so elderly had a Chinese connection.
I don't think Adalja himself is that bad. I listened to a few hours of his talks near the beginning of covid awareness in the US. He repeatedly warned against panicking too much and copying China's response. He said locking down anything more than large concerts/events was unnecessary, masks and worrying about sanitizing surfaces and touching stuff was largely unnecessary (even though he was pushing the droplet theory at the time). He's an Ayn Rand flavored libertarian. When all the messaging changed to masks and lockdowns, he receded from high profile public appearances, and has basically stayed low profile since. I think he probably opposes all this, now more than then, but won't speak out to save his career.
I wonder if getting lost in facts/abstractions is an excuse to avoid taking action, a Stockholm Syndrome
"Civil wars and similar large-scale violence bring death, injury, disease, displacement, and misery. The impairment of the state diminishes its provision of protection for people and property and of basic social services, such as health care and education. Private economic activity becomes difficult or impossible."
thanks Eugyppius .. mate, I have a rather large and relavatory document to share .. but no contact for you .. if you would be so kind .. many thanks, JulesOnTheBeach
We're looking at internal efforts, inside the regional public health establishment of Hubei, to isolate infected patients and chase down the source of infections. Nothing here necessarily means there's that many infections yet or any kind of publicly known outbreak.
If the leak was accidentally from WIV, or even the result of internal sabotage, it's possible the source wasn't immediately recognised. WIV scientists might have been unaware themselves of the leak early on, or tried to cover it up.
I have personally been at the bench side-by-side with Chinese graduates and post-docs. What they lacked in technique they made up for with expert-level blame-shifting and face-saving. Twice with different students, the lab had to be cleared when their stations were found to be hot with S-35 spillage that had gone undetected by Safety prior to their scheduled departures. They never said a word. Using "unaware themselves" is charitable. They are very much aware of their science insufficiencies. This is why they are so dedicated to heisting Western science. This is why I find the bench incompetence-and-coverup theory of viral release so appealing, just a little more appealing than the GoF-batvirus human-experiments-on-Falun-Gong theory.
It sounds plausible, but I still don't see why Wuhan Institute of Virology staff would have been tested later than animals and the general community. Wouldn't they have been the first to get sick?
Remember, these are (officially placed & recorded) orders for new equipment. By Nov. 2019 they've presumably run out of testing supplies & are placing new orders. WIV isn't a big player in the lab testing scene, obv, but assuming the release was an accident that they at first tried to keep under wraps, in earlier months they might not want to get caught testing widely.
WIV almost certainly had far more PCR testing kit to hand already than those other centres. The others burned through their existing stockpiles sooner.
One thing is for sure: the report points to China as the source of the virus. This company consists of former Intelligence personnel and thus might harbour a purpose behind its release.
November 2019 a sickness spread through my workplace. Everyone got it. Some bad and some mild (like myself)
Fatigue. Headache. Upper respiratory infection that doctors couldn’t figure out. Several of my coworkers ended up on 3 or 4 rounds of antibiotics because nothing was working.
My husband was sick in Sept after traveling via plane. It was here way before they will acknowledge it.
I am really not sure what to do now. Here in New Zealand there is a big push today, and a Telethon ("Vax-a-Thon") to get people to have the jab. My brother has finally given in and got it and my folks are also considering it now, too. I am not sure how much longer I can hold out...
THANKS! Not yet, but we are still in lockdown. The govt was supposed to make a decision this afternoon about whether to drop a level, but they instead voted to keep the status quo. They are STILL talking about vaccine rates, and of reaching a target of over 90% as though it is the only solution. It looks like, come Friday, they will be imposing even stricter targets. And they are readying vaccine passport type apps for our phones and a website that registers your vaccination status together with your driver's license number etc. Vaccination is the only idea they have. I have tried to tell people that there is no correlation between percentage of vaccination and Covid cases.
Is the entire Bloomberg School at JH anything other than an intelligence institute for whatever borderless government is running this whole show? Either way it gets exhausting to process these drip-feed “revelations” that seem to have no other purpose than reinforcing the lie that this is really a super-bat-lab-monster-virus that warrants even 1/1000000 of the attention that ended up being paid to it. Were any of these tests even used? Were they in preparation for an Italy / New York scenario that never happened? Were they for an unrelated outbreak that was latched onto for shifting blame to China, because “China virus scary”? Yawn.
The data behind the report is aggregated from publicly issued contracts to laboratory suppliers, published on bidcenter.com.cn. This is exactly where you'd expect to find evidence of mass disease control efforts. Dismissing evidence like this strikes me as too clever by half -- like all the people who wanted to ditch the EcoHealth alliance grant proposal as some kind of intelligence agency plant. This is the stuff they left lying around.
Because of Coronavirus seasonality, you wouldn't expect noticeable population-wide illness until late fall 2019 in any case, so it's an open question at what point earlier in the year it began to circulate.
And like the grant proposal it is the stuff that takes the least effort to plant and lowest-level Chinese insiders to manipulate possible. A power-point proposal and ORDERS for PCR tests as substitutes for proof that any feet were ever actually on the ground. That all the evidence for a lab leak is so low-friction to fabricate is at least *exactly* as big a “coincidence”as there being a lab where the virus emerged in the first place.
Which is why processing this at all is a waste of our mental resources at best, a deliberate attempt to keep the virus centered in the debate at worst.
Silly. The Wuhan pandemic really started in mid-January, the New York one three months later, the Peruvian and Russian ones a month after that, and the South African one a month after the Russian one. If the pandemic started in May 2019, there would have been major and visible outbreaks all over the globe in November 2019 -and the virus would not have been contained in China, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. (as well as Eastern Europe, Uruguay, Cuba, and much of the Middle East).
Two things: First is the obvious sadism, but second, if this started spreading around from May of 2019 and people weren't dying in droves, it's not COVID that's killing people, but the reaction to COVID. You take Sweden as a "control" group experiment (no extra deaths even though they basically lived life through this whole thing normally with only the most minimal concessions in early 2020) and the fact that we were clearly living with COVID for the later part of 2019 and early 2020 w/o people dying in the streets and overrunning hospitals, and what you have to conclude is that we have killed people not by doing too little to counter COVID but by doing too much.
the evidence for early spread (in Europe especially) is very interesting - maybe I'll do a post on it soon. it definitely suggests you can have substantial numbers of infections, over several months, with nobody really noticing.
That's very important like when I possibly contracted the disease in Sydney in 2019. I was quite ill for a couple of days (I was unwell for 5-7 days) but had a busy schedule, so was out and about, also using public transit. So I think the disease probably was present in hyper-sensitive Australia way before the panic starting March 2020. It only becomes noticeable when it enters an elderly care facility or starts impacting frail elderly. So Italy has demonstrated that the virus was already there in Sep-Oct 2019 through examination of cancer screening samples. But it did not become noticeable until authorities knew about "covid" and significant numbers of elderly started dying. Also, the influenza season in Italy had been mild so many elderly who might normally have met died were still alive in March 2020.
Excess deaths Australia 2019 are the same as excess deaths Sweden 2020. It was thought to be a bad flu year, and literally no one batted an eye lid.
Yep, just goes to show you how perception (driven by politicians and media) is everything
I looked up the flu season 2019 in Australia. It was "bad" but early meaning that it started in March 2019 and peaked early. By the end in Sep 2019 there was not much at all detected. I would have been very unlucky in November and that's why I thought back then that the Chinese at my hotel brought the flu from the northern hemisphere.
They’ve found Covid in sewage samples from May 2019. The video I heard that from (Dr John Campbell discussing the paper that presented that info), had tonnes of comments from people all over the world (Canada, London, USA) who swore they had had Covid in 2019).
The sewage was in Barcelona, I forgot to say
I think the sewage in Spain was actually March 2019, which is probably too early. Also they tested every month from 2018 and there was nothing between March 2019 and Jan 2020, so it must have been a contaminated sample. I don't know if there was a follow up. However, Jan 2020 was actually a month or two before the first official case in Spain.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ
the March 2019 finding was suspect and the authors removed it from the final, published version of their paper - it was either contamination or another SARS-related virus (which is not impossible, the do jump to humans sometimes, but normally they can’t spread very well among them)
If so you'd expect an enormous incidence of the disease in Australia by now given that they've apparently dished out some 40 million tests now !! Or: if those tests are not detecting the virus it must be those people are well cured? No remains.
What would an antibody test reveal?
I think it looks like covid wasn't in Aus in 19 in light of these tests, don't you?
Arthur, I also think you should read the next article, which addresses/ counters your comment. There is nothing "magical" about this coronavirus compared to others, although the emerging variants appear to be slightly more contagious. It is highly likely that I did not spread it to anybody. Another point is that according to a Dutch study, adults with children in the winter tested positive to two rhinoviruses on average. That's the danger of PCR testing, which started in March in Australia. There was a small peak end March and then it dropped to nearly zero. What stopped it was restrictions on incoming passengers. The reality is that from let's say October 2019 to March 2020 there was little noticeable spread thanks to this being the Australian summer and of course that they were not running tests. Most of it was probably being fed by foreign travel. The next outbreak happened in June 2020 in Victoria, which gets relatively cold in the winter and allows the virus to spread more effectively. That's when the sociopath premier started his 1984 lockdown antics, and he is still at it.
okay. where is the 'next article'? there seems to be no links back and forth. but I say a simple thing, ask a simple question, could you not answer it in principle in a few words? I'm just saying that if the disease was there in 2019 as you suggest shouldn't it show large numbers of pcr positives now? whereas actually they're miniscule. and by the way does anyone know what pcr cycles they are using around australia? and how about technical information on the 'setting' of the pcr machines? I mean they get 'loaded' or 'set' to search for a certain molecule don't they? what are they searching for, what are they finding?
The next article posted by eugyppius, which is a follow up to this one. In Australia and NZ they use 40 cycles. The point that I and eugyppius make is that the corona was not spreading that fast anywhere. PCR only tells you that you have been exposed and frantic testing starting in March 2020 made it seem a lot worse than it was.. The whole idea about asymptomatic spreading is largely nonsense, which is a concept that underscores the mask idiocy.
My claim that I caught it from a Chinese person in my hotel is reasonable, but it is also likely that it did not spread further is also reasonable. In fact, it did not spread to 3 other family members that I spent time with in a 2BR aparthotel. The inflow of the virus into Australia was 100% dependent on air travel.
Australia, particularly NSW had a peak in PCR cases around April 1 2020 after they had started testing in March. Then thanks to the onset of hot weather and requiring isolation by travelers (and most importantly hotel quarantine from March 27, 2020), cases dropped. The winter outbreak in Victoria in June 2020 happened as a result of "errors" in hotel quarantine. But then because of the seasonality (Melbourne is quite cold in the winter) the spread was greater at that time of year, and then it petered out thanks to seasonality. (Of course Victoria implemented harsh lockdowns as well, but we know that they don't work well.)
Anyway, I repeat myself.
If you have ever been to Sydney, you would realize that there are (were) huge numbers of Chinese travelling back and forth. Also the original virus was not that transmissive. I did not transmit whatever I had to my family, for example. Now in July 2021, my young kids showed immunity (fought off) the likely Delta variant, so I expect that they had the same immunity in 2019. My wife did get infected in 2021 and had a worse case than me, but both would be considered mild. She normally never contracts respiratory illnesses whereas I get colds all the time.
Doesn’t the CDC also list anxiety as the number 2 co-morbidity? It’s only second to obesity. I believe 3 was high blood pressure.
Something like this? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2768093
Truth is I’ve watched too many videos! It wasn’t listed as stress cardiomyopathy though. It was a rumble presentation by a doctor who calmly went through all the slides from the CDC. I have a screen shot on my phone because I found that little nugget of info so interesting. I’m not sure how I can post that here :/
What amazes me is that this level of analysis is being done and disseminated in public. In normal times, we would have expected this type of analysis to be performed by various intelligence agencies.
Now? I can’t shake the feeling that the agencies really aren’t doing analysis like this anymore. The public and private companies are.
Nobody is doing the analysis except people like eugyppius (many banned from Twitter- another whole issue with the media) here on places like substack. It’s like what Alex Berenson said, when The Lancet put Peter Dasacz on the team studying the origination of the virus, it was like putting OJSimpson on the investigation of the murder of Nicole Simpson. All medical studies, and 50% of the FDA and CDC are sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, leading to bias in all decisions or findings at the inception. We have to find a way to kick that influence out.
The key to understanding the intelligence agencies is that up to 1990 they had their own private little environment to work in - playing the Cold War. They had established budgets and skill sets established since the 1940s - in some cases since teh 1910s.
Then, all of a sudden, their world collapsed togather with the Berlin Wall. Ever since then they have been looking for a job, and trying to justify their existence. They CLAIM to be 'protecting the country' - in fact they are trying to protect themselves. And the best way to ensure that they keep having a job is to ensure that the world remains a dangerous place...
If true, this effectively puts the last nail in the coffin of the idea that it was a deliberate release as biowarfare. A deliberately released bioweapon wouldn't have been released locally first, wouldn't have taken a year to reach its enemy targets, and wouldn't have prompted these panicked control responses.
It is therefore further support of the idea that Sars-Cov-2 got out accidentally, the Chinese government tried to control it at first with help from sympathetic international agencies like at Event 201, and when they realised had failed they decided to implement their biowarfare plans (like the fake videos) belatedly. Fuck-up, followed by opportunism.
Unless, you subscribe to the possibility that it was the C IA that made sure it got released in the Wuhan Lab and then they could point the finger of blame at China. It’s not a stretch when you think that the Vault release in Wikileaks showed how the C IA hacked other countries and then left breadcrumbs as if another country had done the crime.
Plus, paperwork exists that this very same work from Ecohealth offering to cleave and do chimeric work on bat viruses in Wuhan was offered to DARPA. It was officially turned down, but who’s to say another department (who obviously wouldn’t leave paperwork behind) took the offer? Just food for thought.
The problem is, that also doesn't make sense of the events.
• Covid has crippled the West far worse than China: if it were a CIA attack to harm China, why undermine it by implementing far more harmful measures in the US?
• Why did the US and CIA not follow up on the supposed attack in any way over the following year? A real attack would have been accompanied by other measures, or it would be bizarre and pointless.
• And it also doesn't explain why the Chinese released the fake scare-videos of people collapsing in the street and being instantly carried off by hazmat-suited medics. The Chinese would have had a good idea privately if it were a CIA attack: the CIA aren't undetectable ninjas. Why bother releasing this fake footage, a year later, for a foreign attack?
No, the CIA theory makes no sense at all, and that it has only been pushed by the Chinese government is revealing.
I understand that it involves stepping back a bit, but there are many parties who stood to benefit from the release of the virus. I always found it odd that the Obama Administration allowed gain of function studies again on US soil 10 days before the inauguration of Trump. There are so many monetary alliances it isn’t easy to sift through all of them at once.
But one thing is clear, the Pentagon knew what was going on in Wuhan and millions were going in that direction. I don’t completely agree with this article, but it does shed a bit more light on the complexities of who stood to benefit the most. Mind you, if you asked me this even 12 months ago I would have thought it is crazy conspiracy stuff.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/20/chinese-academy-of-science-nominates-wuhan-virology-lab-for-prestigious-2021-outstanding-science-and-technology-achievement-prize/#more-213212
There’s also a character names Lutz or something that promotes it. I agree it makes no narrative sense. Especially when the people walking around announcing the plans on video in 2019 are Fauci, etc. None of this required the CIA. Just Gates-money, a desire to make democracy obsolete and or depopulate the Earth, and an incredible over-estimation of the ability to rule over rural America from a press room.
the problem with the gates theories, which star alternately the virus and the vaccine, is that both virus & vaxx fall in that weird space of being just bad enough to be the locus of unforeseen (largely self-imposed) public health disasters, while not being nearly bad enough to accomplish any of the evil tasks assigned to them.
The virus could never be bad enough. At worst it revealed the extent of our general degradation of immune health, though there could have some specific type of priming / ADE that influenced who was affected. That isn’t the same as a ceiling for how “bad” an injected spike script can be especially w.r.t cancer, cardio, and fertility risks. In fact there really isn’t a ceiling: The only people who think there is one - that you can’t possibly depopulate the world with an mRNA script for any routine viral glycoprotein - are the middle-of-the-chain, low-imagination experts witlessly fact-checking on behalf of the people announcing the plan ahead of time.
the vaccines: there's evidence that they're substantially more dangerous than our legacy vaccine products. there's no evidence at all that they achieve world-depopulation levels of risk.
getting mandates and passports seems accomplished. what else you need?
covid didn't cripple the west, did it? covid 'measures' crippling/are crippling the west isn't it?
Agreed. You can pinpoint when the opportunism button got pushed when suddenly Tom Hanks was telling everyone the first list of propaganda bullet points: Stay Home Stay Safe, how to wash your hands, etc. and Fauci suddenly said he wouldn't go to a restaurant. March 2020.
Biowarfare designed to kill the very old and very fat and not touch children sounds like a pretty ineffective biowarfare agent to me.
Yes, if it weren't for the bizarre over-reaction we could be celebrating Covid-19 as one of the greatest boons ever to bless humanity.
Thanks for more great detective work and another delicious mystery for us to sink our teeth into, eugyppius.
What I find perplexing is why the PCR test would have been used if this were a coverup operation. The value of the PCR test to TPTB is its ability to “find almost anything in anybody,” as its inventor Kary Mullis said prior to his timely demise in August 2019.
The PCR test—as it has been deployed in this manufactured crisis—is all about inflating an imaginary or negligible threat to terrorizing proportions as justification for unleashing authoritarian measures and bilking the public out of trillions of dollars. Why would they consider it “the methodology of choice for pathogen detection” and genuinely use it as an assessment tool for an outbreak they were trying to keep hidden? Is it possible the stockpiling of PCR tests was made in anticipation of the coming crisis they were in the process of concocting?
For those interested in an exhaustively documented report on PCR tests prepared by a former principal researcher at Queensland Health, see the Petitions section of my Down Under Edition of Recommendations Roundup (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/recommendations-roundup-2-down-under-41b), where you’ll find more details about the author as well as two other comprehensive reports on masks and lockdowns.
Psychological warfare (PSYWAR), or the basic aspects of modern psychological operations (PsyOp), have been known by many other names or terms, including Military Information Support Operations (MISO), Psy Ops, political warfare, "Hearts and Minds", and propaganda.[1] The term is used "to denote any action which is practiced mainly by psychological methods with the aim of evoking a planned psychological reaction in other people".[2]
Various techniques are used, and are aimed at influencing a target audience's value system, belief system, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. It is used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics. It is also used to destroy the morale of enemies through tactics that aim to depress troops' psychological states.
There are so many psychological elements to this whole scenario. Fear being the apparent main driver. But what about the placebo effect of the shots? If you are fully emotionally invested in the efficacy of the shots and their protection, and anxiety is the number 2 co-morbidity, that might be also keeping people out of the hospitals. They mainly gauge the oxygenation levels of the blood and people hyperventilating at the beginning of the crisis got sadly intubated right away, leading to higher death rates. So many paths to take that can be skewing the final outcomes.
This is war. They are coming for the children. You are talking about oxygenation. If bombs were being dropped, this thread wouldn't exist. Perhaps it's my class, but I suspect cowardice.
I believe that I contracted corona when I spent nearly 3 weeks in an apart-hotel in Sydney in Nov 2019. Most of the guests were Chinese...... I guessed at the time that it was influenza due to the body aches and sudden onset, and that the Chinese spread it to me from the northern hemisphere because November in Sydney is far outside their flu season with temps in the 30s. I think that I have gotten influenza twice in my lifetime; the latest was possibly during H1N1 in April 2009, but it could have just been a bad cold.
Also, outside Washington DC in Springfield, VA there was an outbreak in an elderly care home where 60 out of 260 became ill with a respiratory disease. 23 were hospitalized and 3 died. The local government became very defensive in 2020 when rumors started stating that tests found rhinovirus and haemophilus influenzae (a bacterium). Why the wouldn't rerun samples in 2020 was puzzling. Rhinovirus can kill very frail elderly, but is usually much milder than for example the common cold coronaviruses. It is also ubiquitous if you do PCR testing. I recall a study in Holland that showed that adults with kids typically tested positive via PCR for at least two rhinoviruses in the winter, usually without being ill. I believe that h. influenzae are carried by many people and it is an opportunistic pathogen. Actual HiB disease is very uncommon even among adults who have not been vaccinated.
This is from the local govt in Virginia, which is very left wing following a typical "fact checking" narrative:
Fact: Testing of specimens collected during the outbreak of respiratory illness at Greenspring in July 2019 showed several bacteria, including Haemophilus influenzae (H. flu) and rhinovirus, the cause of the common cold. There is no need to re-investigate the outbreak. At the time, the Virginia Department of Health put out an alert about an increase in respiratory illnesses in long-term care facilities .
The first human cases of COVID-19 were identified in Wuhan City, China in December 2019. At this stage, it is not possible to determine precisely how humans in China were initially infected. The first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the United States was reported on January 20, 2020 in Snohomish County, Washington and the first confirmed case in Virginia was reported on March 7, 2020. WHO Source , VDH Source
The main point being that the outbreak at Greenspring was July 2019.
Right, it's like saying FACT tests found knives in the kitchen so they must have been stabbed to death.
For H. Influenzae illness the incidence for elderly in the US is 6 per 100k annually based on 2011 data, so tiny compared to rhinovirus. I saw somewhere that 42% of the population carry the bacterium, so is generally opportunistic following a viral infection. For rhinovirus I found an English study from 1992 where none of the elderly were hospitalized although 25% were bed-ridden. (One actually died but seems to have suffered from severe COPD.) In Virginia one third of the elderly were hospitalized. Greenspring is also an expensive place so would have a socioeconomic advantage in terms of health compared to random plebs in England.. Rhinovirus??
When this re-surfaced around May 2020, the "elite" was pushing hard for the wet market narrative, so their "B team" in Fairfax County did not want to upset the agenda set by the overlords like Fauci and co. Imagine if they tested the samples and found SARS-Cov2? I think the CCP media was actually pushing the Greenspring story to show that the virus originated in the US. A curious mind like mine wonders if one of the 60 or so elderly had a Chinese connection.
I don't think Adalja himself is that bad. I listened to a few hours of his talks near the beginning of covid awareness in the US. He repeatedly warned against panicking too much and copying China's response. He said locking down anything more than large concerts/events was unnecessary, masks and worrying about sanitizing surfaces and touching stuff was largely unnecessary (even though he was pushing the droplet theory at the time). He's an Ayn Rand flavored libertarian. When all the messaging changed to masks and lockdowns, he receded from high profile public appearances, and has basically stayed low profile since. I think he probably opposes all this, now more than then, but won't speak out to save his career.
I wonder if getting lost in facts/abstractions is an excuse to avoid taking action, a Stockholm Syndrome
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Your beliefs about the start date align with The Ethical Skeptic on twitter, except he believes the virus might have been circulating in 2018.
But wouldn't any big outbreak be also supported by mobility data and other measures
that could be verified?
If there was an outbreak, wouldn't Chinese cutoff Hubei from the rest of the country?
The flights to/from Wuhan kept going until 2020.
Lots of westerners were in Wuhan in 2019 (including military for the Military World Games),
and wouldn't they notice something if there was something extraordinary happening?
So, how did China "beat" SARS-Cov2 (if they really did it)?
We're looking at internal efforts, inside the regional public health establishment of Hubei, to isolate infected patients and chase down the source of infections. Nothing here necessarily means there's that many infections yet or any kind of publicly known outbreak.
But, Chinese knew what they were doing in Wuhan Institute of Virology.
If some people from the institute were getting sick, they would surely panic
and on a massive scale.
But if the source was unknown (ie, Chinese might not have even known what was
causing infections) then it seems plausible that public health activity was increased,
but there was no panic. Yet.
If the leak was accidentally from WIV, or even the result of internal sabotage, it's possible the source wasn't immediately recognised. WIV scientists might have been unaware themselves of the leak early on, or tried to cover it up.
I have personally been at the bench side-by-side with Chinese graduates and post-docs. What they lacked in technique they made up for with expert-level blame-shifting and face-saving. Twice with different students, the lab had to be cleared when their stations were found to be hot with S-35 spillage that had gone undetected by Safety prior to their scheduled departures. They never said a word. Using "unaware themselves" is charitable. They are very much aware of their science insufficiencies. This is why they are so dedicated to heisting Western science. This is why I find the bench incompetence-and-coverup theory of viral release so appealing, just a little more appealing than the GoF-batvirus human-experiments-on-Falun-Gong theory.
I'm picturing something like this:
1. WIV staff start getting sick, put 2 and 2 together, try to cover it up from authorities to save face.
2. Wuhan officials notice something's going around, try to cover it up from central government to save face.
3. Central government gets wind of the virus, try to cover it up from the public and international community for as long as possible to save face.
It sounds plausible, but I still don't see why Wuhan Institute of Virology staff would have been tested later than animals and the general community. Wouldn't they have been the first to get sick?
Remember, these are (officially placed & recorded) orders for new equipment. By Nov. 2019 they've presumably run out of testing supplies & are placing new orders. WIV isn't a big player in the lab testing scene, obv, but assuming the release was an accident that they at first tried to keep under wraps, in earlier months they might not want to get caught testing widely.
WIV almost certainly had far more PCR testing kit to hand already than those other centres. The others burned through their existing stockpiles sooner.
One thing is for sure: the report points to China as the source of the virus. This company consists of former Intelligence personnel and thus might harbour a purpose behind its release.
November 2019 a sickness spread through my workplace. Everyone got it. Some bad and some mild (like myself)
Fatigue. Headache. Upper respiratory infection that doctors couldn’t figure out. Several of my coworkers ended up on 3 or 4 rounds of antibiotics because nothing was working.
My husband was sick in Sept after traveling via plane. It was here way before they will acknowledge it.
I am really not sure what to do now. Here in New Zealand there is a big push today, and a Telethon ("Vax-a-Thon") to get people to have the jab. My brother has finally given in and got it and my folks are also considering it now, too. I am not sure how much longer I can hold out...
RESIST! Are they threatening your job?
THANKS! Not yet, but we are still in lockdown. The govt was supposed to make a decision this afternoon about whether to drop a level, but they instead voted to keep the status quo. They are STILL talking about vaccine rates, and of reaching a target of over 90% as though it is the only solution. It looks like, come Friday, they will be imposing even stricter targets. And they are readying vaccine passport type apps for our phones and a website that registers your vaccination status together with your driver's license number etc. Vaccination is the only idea they have. I have tried to tell people that there is no correlation between percentage of vaccination and Covid cases.
I have shown this site - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
But any more data would be gratefully accepted.
Is the entire Bloomberg School at JH anything other than an intelligence institute for whatever borderless government is running this whole show? Either way it gets exhausting to process these drip-feed “revelations” that seem to have no other purpose than reinforcing the lie that this is really a super-bat-lab-monster-virus that warrants even 1/1000000 of the attention that ended up being paid to it. Were any of these tests even used? Were they in preparation for an Italy / New York scenario that never happened? Were they for an unrelated outbreak that was latched onto for shifting blame to China, because “China virus scary”? Yawn.
The data behind the report is aggregated from publicly issued contracts to laboratory suppliers, published on bidcenter.com.cn. This is exactly where you'd expect to find evidence of mass disease control efforts. Dismissing evidence like this strikes me as too clever by half -- like all the people who wanted to ditch the EcoHealth alliance grant proposal as some kind of intelligence agency plant. This is the stuff they left lying around.
Because of Coronavirus seasonality, you wouldn't expect noticeable population-wide illness until late fall 2019 in any case, so it's an open question at what point earlier in the year it began to circulate.
And like the grant proposal it is the stuff that takes the least effort to plant and lowest-level Chinese insiders to manipulate possible. A power-point proposal and ORDERS for PCR tests as substitutes for proof that any feet were ever actually on the ground. That all the evidence for a lab leak is so low-friction to fabricate is at least *exactly* as big a “coincidence”as there being a lab where the virus emerged in the first place.
there's a lot of manipulation, but these kinds of appeals could be used to disqualify any evidence that doesn't align with a preferred theory.
Which is why processing this at all is a waste of our mental resources at best, a deliberate attempt to keep the virus centered in the debate at worst.
Silly. The Wuhan pandemic really started in mid-January, the New York one three months later, the Peruvian and Russian ones a month after that, and the South African one a month after the Russian one. If the pandemic started in May 2019, there would have been major and visible outbreaks all over the globe in November 2019 -and the virus would not have been contained in China, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. (as well as Eastern Europe, Uruguay, Cuba, and much of the Middle East).