the NYT has always been on the wrong side of freedom. Their paper is so bad I wouldn't put it in a bird's cage. The bird probably gets sick of it and dies
“if deaths rise sharply, public anger could revive” I'm sure students, workers and homeowners in China will be demanding the return of lockdowns in no time.
A reporter interviewing people on a sidewalk asked if it would be a good idea to bring back all the dramas ,like lock downs, masks distancing and injections enforced by mandates. ,Most agreed it is the only way to save lives and they want all that back .A lot of the voo doo is still in force anyway and there are many out there begging to be enslave some more,they are terrified of any freedom .I saw that in a T.V news report .Sometime it is a good idea to watch the news ,to see what the enemy is up to and find ways to defend . Now the prisoners are also the prison guards at the same time .
The fact that none of it saves lives is completely beyond these authoritarian’s playthings. They are terrified of freedom, as you say, and terrified of getting sick AT ALL. Not that getting a cold or flu is fun but it’s part of life and what do you know? Most of us survive these things. Those in fragile health should stay home, take whatever precautions they need to take and let the rest of us be.
A lot of people still afraid, in the pilates studio where i started again to go from last June the instructors are wearing double masks and they keep the distance with you. It is like you're doing online exercise but with physical presence. The damage in people's brain is huge and I'm afraid permanent.
Yes I see the mentally crippelt are every where and it is permanent .Thy where born with a brain that did not properly develop. Besides the masking obsession they are also filled to the top with the Pfizer venom and may be the ones whose life will soon end because of it . Should we feel sorry for them and miss them ?
It's as if in their minds they have equated Covid with the Grim Reaper, and lockdowns and masks and vaccines will stave off not just Covid, but the Grim Reaper itself. Which is one reason why they will never admit that vaccines are killing people also, it would destroy their worldview.
Covid as Grim Reaper is exactly the imagery the Covidians in public health wanted us to see. For some, the imprint is permanent. It’s sad for them. I wouldn’t want to live such a restricted life.
Don't forget, Antifa isn't a real organization and doesn't exist.
This is a picture of a group of people who coincidentally decided to show up to the same event wearing similar clothing, march in formation, and disperse later as strangers never to meet again.
Yeah, it absolutely wasn't founded with Soviet support and direction during the interwar period.
Nor did the soviets put german communists in among german POWs released after the war, with instructions to try to build careers in unions, civil service and all the political parties, as well as media and entertainment.
And there was absolutely no co-operation between East German secret service and KGB and western communists, no way.
Point being, with a century of experience, the handlers of the Antifa-Hydra have it down to an art.
Didn't the radical Left there also engage in protests in support of St. George of Floyd too, thereby revealing yet again how much the American imperium has messed up the German soul?
Don't know if you'll see this but when you're in a radical group such as Antifa, and the call comes (or the text nowadays I guess) to show up at location A, wearing gear B, you show up.
The way it was done in my youth, you often didn't know what you were protesting until you got there and saw the placards being handed out, and the drill-masters passing around leaflets with chants written on them. Also, whether it's going to be peaceful or not? That info is passed around too.
That's the parts they never show on TV by the way, if the protest concerns an issue where the group is aligned with media, as is always the case nowadays since the organisational structures were completely co-opted during the early 1990s.
That's why you don't see Greenpeace or Amnesty or any of those doing the stuff they did in the 1980s or earlier, where they actually protested against overeach, corruption, injustice and so on: all of them, all the leadership, are since the 1990s funded by the very organisations they used to protest against.
Hence, they glue themselves to highways messing up daily life for commuters but never chain themselves to refinery gates or scale chmineys like they used to.
The migrants will make Germany like America ,or a zebra black and white .The Congo is losing all its Pigmis population ,they live now in the German Black forest .
ACTUAL normal, decent people hate them. The German Gutmenschen and other ladies of leisure--the echt deutsch equivalent of NYT readers and soyish males who say "African American" and look around the faculty lounge for approval--love them.
Unfortunately, these weird fantasy people make up the ruling class of our societies. How we ever let them gain ascendancy is what I've been trying to figure out for some time now. Laziness and inertia masquerading as politeness and decency account for a lot of it, I reckon. But not all of it.
Sociopaths want the jobs much more than the rest of us do, know how to lie to make themselves look qualified, and have no trouble doing what it takes to move up. Sensible people, who could actually do a good job, aren't interested in telling other people what to do, we'd rather take care of our own business.
I would say in any institution the percent of management that is sociopathic is always increasing. Another case where Delta S is always positive.
Apparently there was one on one American college campus in late 2020. But that's the exception that only proves the rule. And probably was an astroturfing effort as well.
All of them thesedays. "Liberal" means respecting of liberty, "liberal" means somewhere between the blob of left/right/centre and towards libertarian, "liberal" means tolerating alternative views... The campuses have all become authoritarian, to the extreme.
When a tsunami of covid deaths does NOT arrive in China, just the way it never happened in never-locked-down Sweden and the way it never happened anywhere when the jakcboot of lockdown was lifted there, will the NYT claim China is faking the death figures? Whilst ofcourse the NYT would still claim that zero-covid had been working, because China's covid death figures throughout the last two years have been totally trustworthy and not at all suspicious. The NYT would be simultaneously saying that China is lying about deaths now, but that they've never lied about them before. For a moment a few weeks ago, when it supported the protesters in China, I thought the NYT may have begun to flirt with sanity again, the NYT is now working very hard to disabuse me of that misconception.
I continue to not have much faith in the New York times or any mass media for that matter.
Zero Covid will never work because of animal reservoirs. I think China actually tried to eliminate animal reservoirs early on the pandemic, but it became too much of an ordeal. They say that cats can provide a reservoir for the disease, the point is that good luck vaccinating /killing all the cats in the world. (I would never kill a cat, by the way nor do I condone it) Regardless, zero Covid was never going to happen for a number of reasons, from how fast the disease mutates, to how hard it would be the vaccinate the world, etc.
It's not easy to watch everything you hold dear disintegrate around you. The NYT were the people that felt superior to Canadian Truckers (everyone blue collar) They made wearing masks their identity. I still haven't recovered from everything down is up of the last two years. Imagine if you were still trying to believe that Fauci is a good guy.
I have not read a newspaper in three years. And I have no intention of ever doing so. Newspapers were so easily bought and paid for. Why would anyone read the NYT or any junk newspaper?
I hear the TV in the next room. Anyone who thinks Covid is dead hasn't heard the news. It's still being talked about. Each day it's all about cases, and talk about bringing back of course the January 6th committee is also big on the agenda.
Why would anyone watch the news. They have lied for three years and continue to do so. The only thing I am witnessing right now in the USA (colds) and Uk, scare stories about hospitals being backed up? And yet we don’t know anyone with covid, a few with colds and no one with flu? Very few masking, even the older people out shopping.
They've lied a lot longer than that. I keep going back further and further, and am beginning to wonder if it is "turtles all the way down" in terms of lying. Yes, the media is testing to see if they can scare people the same way as with Covid, it was Monkeypox over the summer, Long Covid appears to be something they are toying with, and the colds and flu season.
I'm not the one watching it, I am listening to it at times in the next room. I still think it is good to hear what is going on with the fictional narrative as it gives me insight as to why everyone around me continues to believe as they do. That being said, I think people have the right to listen and watch whatever they want to.
My suite mates are watching it. I also had to endure it last year during my four month stint in the hospital.
I was in the "newspaper biz" for 35 years:: 20 years as a reporter, 15 years as an editor. I loved my job. I have not read a newspaper since I retired 8 years ago.
When the pandemic erupted I began to seek "alternative" media, which brought me here., among other places.
My family thought I was nuts when I dismissed Fauci and all the medical quackery.
Now they're slowly coming around to realizing that maybe I'm not so crazy after all.
To see what the rest of the populace are told to think, that's why I occasionally read it. It is very sad to read, hard to take, but nonetheless, at times I have to get educated on the indoctrination and propaganda being produced.
Yes, and I read them. The more lewd the photographs got in adult magazines, the more hard hitting the articles got. Hustler's photos were a bit too lurid for me, but photocopies of the articles circulated regularly.
Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court ruling that the First and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit public figures from recovering damages for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), if the emotional distress was caused by a caricature, parody, or satire of the public figure that a reasonable person would not have interpreted as factual.
my suggestion, is to read a news agency, like Reuters. you can make an account and customise the news feed so you only get the stories you want (not the ones they’re hyping). it’s far from perfect, but the news agency material is basically the building blocks that all those other outlets try to spin into specific editorial takes.
the major thing you’ll notice, is how much drier the news is when you consume it this way. a huge amount of the editorialising in the major papers is an attempt to connect stories to political or social agendas that people care about, which makes the content more appealing (or repulsive, depending).
IMO, none of them are worth bothering with, but why would you bother with them if they are not of your choosing? The only nationwide paper I've seen worth reading is The Epoch Times, which is Falun Gong's revenge against the CCP.
Too bad we don't have any data to compare the effectiveness of covid measures such as lockdowns, masks, distancing and injections w/nations who didn't participate in these measures. If only we could know what happened in a number of African nations and measure that against China and the US. Golly Jee Whiz, if we only knew! (P.S. That's why we need covid equity.)
I certainly hope so! We need everyone to be injected immediately. Then they'll get covid and lots of other things too! Check this out. It is stunning: https://twitter.com/i/status/1465728581464588293 (Video by Unicef on injection equity in 2025!)
I remember how at some point a year or so ago, quite a few people suggested the data coming out of African countries was not supporting any of the claims regarding the supposed effectiveness of lockdowns and other non-pharmaceutical interventions. All ‘The Science‘ had for an explanation was an endless stream of weak ‘no true Scotsman’ variations. People in African countries were too young to be able to compare, or their countries were too sparsely populated, or they did not count cases properly, or it was the wrong season to compare, or they just came out of an Ebola epidemic that killed all the vulnerable people, or they had less international travel and mobility, or they were just at the beginning of the big deadly COVID wave, etc. ad nauseam.
Somehow, if you would believe it, none of these factors ever reverted to the mean so we could *finally* compare countries and conclude nothing we have done over the past three years mattered. Nobody cares to go back and analyse because why would anyone want to learn from their mistakes right?
What makes me really angry is how, as an engineering PhD myself, there were so few other "geeks" on the side of freedom. Virtually everyone I knew who had been liberal in the true classical sense of the word and also geeky sudenly became brainwshed, and even worse then brainwashed one saw plenty of evidence of hihgly talented people putting themselves at the service of evil causes. Anyone who wrote source code for vaccine passports should never be allowed to work in computing/IT/tech/anything again. Where did all the Stallman and Assange type tech libertarians go? Why did so many of the folks so happy to tear down cruel walls of restrctive digital DRM so happily line up to build cruel virtually implemented walls in the physical world?
How about being Progressive means never looking back. I think a lot of them actually take it as a compliment when you put it that way and don't realize how their amnesiac lives are screwing the rest of us.
They do a lot of looking back at perceived injustices though ( done by others).Everything they do is for the greater good. This total lack of self reflection is their strength. Nasty Nancy P comes to mind.
Sorry, but if you think “Zero covid” was actually about covid, youre just barking up the same wrong tree as the NYT! Remember in December of 2019 when millions were in the streets of Hong Kong protesting and had been for months! Then, conveniently, along came Covid and like magic the protests were over! Well China is in the midst of an economic meltdown due to the real estate Bubble which burst last year and banks are imploding and millions cannot withdraw their money from the collapsing banks thus causing bank runs and chaos in the streets! Suddenly Covid Returns, even though medically they had it licked with Chinese herbal medicine in March of 2020. The NYT is either out of the loop or purposely withholding information! They wouldnt do THAT though….would they?
It might be tempting to dismiss China’s incredible run as simply good fortune, but that would be a huge mistake. Remember extremely early in the pandemic, when covid was exclusively a Chinese problem? Remember all those videos showing people dropping dead in the streets?
Yet covid caused nothing like this anywhere in the world. The videos were completely fake, and a huge psyops campaign like that doesn’t happen on accident. The Chinese government faked the videos that kicked off the panic around the world. China falsely claimed that lockdowns stopped the virus cold, setting the way for bought governments around the world to mimic China’s response. China then rode the ensuing wave of chaos to the precipice of becoming the world’s largest superpower. And now they’re performing a follow-up act with lockdowns in Shanghai, no doubt hoping we will jump off that cliff again.
As far as I know, no government official has spoken about these faked videos and what they mean. Perhaps the Chinese have a incriminating paper trails leading to our ‘public servants’ like they do with Tony Fauci. I’m 100% positive the Chinese bribery trail runs in our government much, much further than the Biden family. It’s time that important people start asking important questions — is ANYBODY going to hold China accountable for their actions?
I still haven't decided for sure if the fake videos were a CCP op or an op somebody(maybe DOD china hawks?) ran against them, but finding out the truth of the videos would be one great key to finding out what really happened.
I agree they were professionally created. I wish I had been paying more attention at the time. Honestly, I was still making fun of people who thought Corona would be a big deal right up until the day my job disappeared when they closed the whole state.
I still don't get it really. Figuring out who made and promoted the videos would be am excellent way to unravel this nonsense though.
I’m not sure that all the videos from China were fake. People dying on the streets might have to do with mismanagement of the situation. What about news coming out of Italy? I don’t think it was fake, older populations - yes, close ties with China - yes, hospitals not prepared - yes.
I never saw the Chinese footage until well after the panic in March and thought it looked fake from the get-go. It's ironic, the very people that tell us that we derive all of our evidence from watching "you tube videos" basically were influenced to panic by youtube videos." Although I would like to ask those people who did buy into all of it if they were influenced by the video footage from China.
No. They are utterly fake. So many shots with the cell phone up so that you can see it is cell phone footage, yet remarkably consistent video quality and camera work. You can always pick out the one who is gonna die because they are so well in frame. Also notice the action or rather lack of it, there is never anything happening in these videos except for what you are supposed to see. Brutally obvious. Compare it to the videos of the vaccine sudden deaths, where they are frequently in the corner of the footage, there is an actual reason for the recording not simply filming nothing happening until someone suddenly dies 'unexpectedly'. BTW, is it a weird coincidence that the vaccine causes the sudden deaths that were claimed for COVID that it didn't cause? Any theories on that?
But it is VERY unlikely that these videos made it out of China against the CCP's wishes, unless it was done by Western intelligence agencies. Either China faked the videos or we did. The only possible way that they are real is if the original outbreak was an outbreak of whatever in the vaccine causes sudden deaths, which is a nice theory in that it explains a lot of CCP's actions as a response to US bioweapon and release of the much less deadly virus that came to be known as COVID as coverup/opportunistic crisis. But I am keeping that theory on the back burner for now. It produces some nice answers but has a lot of problems.
Click on the video in the article. In one of them, the 'dead' guy stops his fall. They are fake.
Italy sped up their curve by infecting all the at-risk at once when they put covid patients into nursing homes. They get a pass on this because they were 'first', but then NYC and other states (as well as the UK) did the same exact thing a month or so later.
I'm truly and utterly perplexed on two fronts (or maybe it's just two sides of the same coin). Lockdowns work to prevent the spread of the virus, or do they not? I thought the last three years have proven that the COVID virus can be controlled about as effectively as global climate. What say you?
Related: if China never went for the mRNA scheme, but vaccinated its citizens (to what degree? Anyone?) with it's own proprietary blend, what can be said about the efficacy of this recipe? Are we seeing vaccine enhanced illness or original antigenic sin or something similar play out through the reinfection of a population with dramatically compromised immune systems?
I’m not sure what kind of insight we really have into infection dynamics in China. What we’re seeing now might be in large part the result of local officials or health offices no longer being disincentivised to report case numbers, for example. But I also think it’s the case that heavy containment measures *can* matter, if you have almost no infections, or if they’re regionally confined. By the time western nations locked down, this wasn’t the case here.
I think the incentive to 'hit their metrics' is the jackpot answer here. Because of this it is almost certain that the CCP has no idea whatsoever how many are infected or where or when.
What actually happened in any location in China, whether in terms of infections, or reporting, or containment measures I don't think can be determined with any reasonable certainty. Perverse incentives are the only kind bureaucracy uses.
It's exhausting isn't it? Almost 3 years and still the mainstream media just go on and on with their nonsensical views and I wonder who is still believing it all. Then I talk to a random person who tells me how correct the Chinese have been or how masks really do help stop viruses spreading or how wonderful Science is to have developed safe and effect innoculations so quickly and aren't we all grateful for them otherwise many of us would be dead. From the deadly virus. Which has killed millions and millions. And I sigh and move on. Because what else can I do - as long as the MSM keep pumping it out, the public will keep lapping it up.
I'm not convinced that the closing in China were c-19 driven. There is a liquidity crises in China over the property value crash and defaulted property loans. China could be trying to control bank runs.
My son is American and lives in Zhengzhou, China, where the Apple plant (Foxconn) is located. He told me the reason the workers rioted was because they were locked in the plant and not allowed to leave and only fed ramen type noodles. This was because many workers tested positive for Covid. Not exactly what NYTimes described in that article.
I was wondering how Chinese government would allow production to slow down due to lockdowns- they solved it by locking everyone down at the production site and making them work :-(
My take on covid craziness from the very beginning was and is that many people are just prone to panic. Most people that is, if you ask me after the 3 years. They just can't see it or are too embarrased to admit it. They thought that they were going to die and became mentally incapacitated by their state of panic. Panic does not discriminate between intelligent, stupid or political leaders. So the people in government who were supposed to lead the panicking masses were also the ones in panic. This meant that there was NEVER a plan. Just chaotic panic. Panicking people cannot make rational decisions or plans. So that is where we are. Still. NO PLANS. Just chaotic non sensical rhetoric and self justification from people who panicked but didn't die. That is also why I am more afraid now than ever before to be in a situation like a plane crash or a sinking boat. I know most around me are going to try to kill me through their sheer panic.
I wholeheartedly agree and think that people who want to be re-elected and have a panicking electorate at their hands will always be tempted to go along with the panic instead of calming voters down with rational argument.
It's funny, I'm visiting my parents and they were all up in arms about how "half the people in China have covid" after China "did so well with their zero covid policy", and I was thinking wait, am I still on planet earth? What are they talking about??
But now I see there was an article in the times... Now it all makes sense!
I"m hoping this is facetious: Whereas in the West, we had totally open and honest discussions about the insane, enduring closures, that weren’t marked by massive censorship and government intimidation at all.
the NYT has always been on the wrong side of freedom. Their paper is so bad I wouldn't put it in a bird's cage. The bird probably gets sick of it and dies
“if deaths rise sharply, public anger could revive” I'm sure students, workers and homeowners in China will be demanding the return of lockdowns in no time.
imagine the weird fantasy land these people live in. has there been a single pro-lockdown protest anywhere on earth?
In the NYT newsroom
A reporter interviewing people on a sidewalk asked if it would be a good idea to bring back all the dramas ,like lock downs, masks distancing and injections enforced by mandates. ,Most agreed it is the only way to save lives and they want all that back .A lot of the voo doo is still in force anyway and there are many out there begging to be enslave some more,they are terrified of any freedom .I saw that in a T.V news report .Sometime it is a good idea to watch the news ,to see what the enemy is up to and find ways to defend . Now the prisoners are also the prison guards at the same time .
The fact that none of it saves lives is completely beyond these authoritarian’s playthings. They are terrified of freedom, as you say, and terrified of getting sick AT ALL. Not that getting a cold or flu is fun but it’s part of life and what do you know? Most of us survive these things. Those in fragile health should stay home, take whatever precautions they need to take and let the rest of us be.
BINGO. But that would make too much sense, right?
A lot of people still afraid, in the pilates studio where i started again to go from last June the instructors are wearing double masks and they keep the distance with you. It is like you're doing online exercise but with physical presence. The damage in people's brain is huge and I'm afraid permanent.
Good grief. It’s pathetic.
Yes I see the mentally crippelt are every where and it is permanent .Thy where born with a brain that did not properly develop. Besides the masking obsession they are also filled to the top with the Pfizer venom and may be the ones whose life will soon end because of it . Should we feel sorry for them and miss them ?
It's as if in their minds they have equated Covid with the Grim Reaper, and lockdowns and masks and vaccines will stave off not just Covid, but the Grim Reaper itself. Which is one reason why they will never admit that vaccines are killing people also, it would destroy their worldview.
Covid as Grim Reaper is exactly the imagery the Covidians in public health wanted us to see. For some, the imprint is permanent. It’s sad for them. I wouldn’t want to live such a restricted life.
In little Tony Fauci's fantasies?
Not a protest, but there are definitely elements out there that think returning to "normal" is bad and selfish.
Proudly “Still COVIDing”.
I think they want to ride this train, and I can see how it easily can skip to "climate change" or anything else they want to trot out as a crisis.
Would a nuclear war change the climate for the Greens .??
Nuclear winter might counteract some of that global warming.
does fb and tiktok count as being on earth?
Are you sorry you asked?
https://thepostmillennial.com/germany-antifa-mob-protest-end-of-lockdown
Flamethrowers would work better than Water Cannons to disburse Antifa freaks.
Load up the water cannons with the run-off from the sewage tanks of pig farms, and you'll have no trouble dispersing any mob.
Also, no trouble identifying who's been out rioting.
I think France could of used a couple of such cannon-trucks the other night, after the soccer final.
All I want for Christmas is a sling shot ,my wife said no ,you are too naughty .
They’re out, unlocked down and they’re protesting. How precious.
This was happening round about the same time as the George Floyd protests here in the states.I think they were feeling left out?
Don't forget, Antifa isn't a real organization and doesn't exist.
This is a picture of a group of people who coincidentally decided to show up to the same event wearing similar clothing, march in formation, and disperse later as strangers never to meet again.
Good point!
Yeah, it absolutely wasn't founded with Soviet support and direction during the interwar period.
Nor did the soviets put german communists in among german POWs released after the war, with instructions to try to build careers in unions, civil service and all the political parties, as well as media and entertainment.
And there was absolutely no co-operation between East German secret service and KGB and western communists, no way.
Point being, with a century of experience, the handlers of the Antifa-Hydra have it down to an art.
Well, none of those can be true of something that doesn't exist in the first place, so I'm sure I have no idea what you're talking about.
Didn't the radical Left there also engage in protests in support of St. George of Floyd too, thereby revealing yet again how much the American imperium has messed up the German soul?
Idiots worldwide protested for St George. I don’t know why, I just prefer my heroes to not die of multiple drug overdoses. Go figure.
Shhhh. It was systemic racisms and Nazis! 🤡
Don't know if you'll see this but when you're in a radical group such as Antifa, and the call comes (or the text nowadays I guess) to show up at location A, wearing gear B, you show up.
The way it was done in my youth, you often didn't know what you were protesting until you got there and saw the placards being handed out, and the drill-masters passing around leaflets with chants written on them. Also, whether it's going to be peaceful or not? That info is passed around too.
That's the parts they never show on TV by the way, if the protest concerns an issue where the group is aligned with media, as is always the case nowadays since the organisational structures were completely co-opted during the early 1990s.
That's why you don't see Greenpeace or Amnesty or any of those doing the stuff they did in the 1980s or earlier, where they actually protested against overeach, corruption, injustice and so on: all of them, all the leadership, are since the 1990s funded by the very organisations they used to protest against.
Hence, they glue themselves to highways messing up daily life for commuters but never chain themselves to refinery gates or scale chmineys like they used to.
The migrants will make Germany like America ,or a zebra black and white .The Congo is losing all its Pigmis population ,they live now in the German Black forest .
Normal, decent people hate lockdowns so of course Antifa loves them
ACTUAL normal, decent people hate them. The German Gutmenschen and other ladies of leisure--the echt deutsch equivalent of NYT readers and soyish males who say "African American" and look around the faculty lounge for approval--love them.
The one who learned a lot from lock downs is my wife .All my bottles are locked up now .
Dear Lord in heaven. I'm sorry he asked.
Wolly I thought you were sorry for me .
Unfortunately, these weird fantasy people make up the ruling class of our societies. How we ever let them gain ascendancy is what I've been trying to figure out for some time now. Laziness and inertia masquerading as politeness and decency account for a lot of it, I reckon. But not all of it.
Sociopaths want the jobs much more than the rest of us do, know how to lie to make themselves look qualified, and have no trouble doing what it takes to move up. Sensible people, who could actually do a good job, aren't interested in telling other people what to do, we'd rather take care of our own business.
I would say in any institution the percent of management that is sociopathic is always increasing. Another case where Delta S is always positive.
Excellent point. The routinization of sociopathology.
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https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/pro-anti-vaccination-protesters-take-australia-streets-2021-11-20/
I can’t tell you how grateful I am for your brilliant writing - sanity is rare and effective.
Apparently there was one on one American college campus in late 2020. But that's the exception that only proves the rule. And probably was an astroturfing effort as well.
I imagine "liberal" college campuses hosted probably the odd one or two.
Are there college campuses that aren't liberal?
All of them thesedays. "Liberal" means respecting of liberty, "liberal" means somewhere between the blob of left/right/centre and towards libertarian, "liberal" means tolerating alternative views... The campuses have all become authoritarian, to the extreme.
That is true.. They were liberal back in the mid-late eighties in my day. Nowadays they are leftist authoritarian.
I'm afraid there was a bit of that in the country I live in south America. Truly sad to hear it at the beginning of all this nonsense in 2020.
When a tsunami of covid deaths does NOT arrive in China, just the way it never happened in never-locked-down Sweden and the way it never happened anywhere when the jakcboot of lockdown was lifted there, will the NYT claim China is faking the death figures? Whilst ofcourse the NYT would still claim that zero-covid had been working, because China's covid death figures throughout the last two years have been totally trustworthy and not at all suspicious. The NYT would be simultaneously saying that China is lying about deaths now, but that they've never lied about them before. For a moment a few weeks ago, when it supported the protesters in China, I thought the NYT may have begun to flirt with sanity again, the NYT is now working very hard to disabuse me of that misconception.
I continue to not have much faith in the New York times or any mass media for that matter.
Zero Covid will never work because of animal reservoirs. I think China actually tried to eliminate animal reservoirs early on the pandemic, but it became too much of an ordeal. They say that cats can provide a reservoir for the disease, the point is that good luck vaccinating /killing all the cats in the world. (I would never kill a cat, by the way nor do I condone it) Regardless, zero Covid was never going to happen for a number of reasons, from how fast the disease mutates, to how hard it would be the vaccinate the world, etc.
Especially since they worked out so well the first 3 years of the pandemic.
It's not easy to watch everything you hold dear disintegrate around you. The NYT were the people that felt superior to Canadian Truckers (everyone blue collar) They made wearing masks their identity. I still haven't recovered from everything down is up of the last two years. Imagine if you were still trying to believe that Fauci is a good guy.
I have not read a newspaper in three years. And I have no intention of ever doing so. Newspapers were so easily bought and paid for. Why would anyone read the NYT or any junk newspaper?
In what way is television not the same thing for the illiterate?
I hear the TV in the next room. Anyone who thinks Covid is dead hasn't heard the news. It's still being talked about. Each day it's all about cases, and talk about bringing back of course the January 6th committee is also big on the agenda.
Why would anyone watch the news. They have lied for three years and continue to do so. The only thing I am witnessing right now in the USA (colds) and Uk, scare stories about hospitals being backed up? And yet we don’t know anyone with covid, a few with colds and no one with flu? Very few masking, even the older people out shopping.
They've lied a lot longer than that. I keep going back further and further, and am beginning to wonder if it is "turtles all the way down" in terms of lying. Yes, the media is testing to see if they can scare people the same way as with Covid, it was Monkeypox over the summer, Long Covid appears to be something they are toying with, and the colds and flu season.
Have you ever heard of the book "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays?
Most people are unaware that it is a book about advertising...
Why don't you turn off the television instead of letting it continue to subconsciously indoctrinate you?
I'm not the one watching it, I am listening to it at times in the next room. I still think it is good to hear what is going on with the fictional narrative as it gives me insight as to why everyone around me continues to believe as they do. That being said, I think people have the right to listen and watch whatever they want to.
My suite mates are watching it. I also had to endure it last year during my four month stint in the hospital.
Don’t watch tv either.
You obviously watch screens.
I was in the "newspaper biz" for 35 years:: 20 years as a reporter, 15 years as an editor. I loved my job. I have not read a newspaper since I retired 8 years ago.
When the pandemic erupted I began to seek "alternative" media, which brought me here., among other places.
My family thought I was nuts when I dismissed Fauci and all the medical quackery.
Now they're slowly coming around to realizing that maybe I'm not so crazy after all.
You're a happier person for it. Our family quit the L.A. Times *and* television in the early 1990s.
But then along came the Internet, which is metastasizing into cable.
Only if one spends too much time on it.
It doesn't care what you do.
Isn't it sad what the LA Times turned into? Much better in the 1980s.
I don't know the difference since I didn't read it then, either.
To see what the rest of the populace are told to think, that's why I occasionally read it. It is very sad to read, hard to take, but nonetheless, at times I have to get educated on the indoctrination and propaganda being produced.
That sounds a lot like those who claim to read Playboy for the articles...
There were articles in Playboy?
Yes, and I read them. The more lewd the photographs got in adult magazines, the more hard hitting the articles got. Hustler's photos were a bit too lurid for me, but photocopies of the articles circulated regularly.
Hustler had articles as well?
Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court ruling that the First and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit public figures from recovering damages for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), if the emotional distress was caused by a caricature, parody, or satire of the public figure that a reasonable person would not have interpreted as factual.
Wikipedia
That is where I got my politically radical orientation from.
They got sued for telling the truth more than all of the other girlie magazines put together.
my suggestion, is to read a news agency, like Reuters. you can make an account and customise the news feed so you only get the stories you want (not the ones they’re hyping). it’s far from perfect, but the news agency material is basically the building blocks that all those other outlets try to spin into specific editorial takes.
the major thing you’ll notice, is how much drier the news is when you consume it this way. a huge amount of the editorialising in the major papers is an attempt to connect stories to political or social agendas that people care about, which makes the content more appealing (or repulsive, depending).
American news agencies (according to Wikipedia)
Associated Press
Bloomberg News
Catholic News Agency
Catholic News Service
Fourth Estate
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
Religion News Service
United Press International
The Epoch Times gives a pretty good right slanted look at the news.
I look at Aljazeera for news of the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonably even-handed and factual, but is otherwise captured by the Covid narrative.
The Epoch Times is more down the center than any other national paper I have read.
It's major shortcoming is that it isn't available widely on newsstands.
Likely I have compared it to all other available MSM. Certainly this is true in Canada, right down to our local town weekly.
IMO, none of them are worth bothering with, but why would you bother with them if they are not of your choosing? The only nationwide paper I've seen worth reading is The Epoch Times, which is Falun Gong's revenge against the CCP.
Sounds like you need a better job.
I'm a better person for not having replaced my last television after it was stolen in 1987.
Too bad we don't have any data to compare the effectiveness of covid measures such as lockdowns, masks, distancing and injections w/nations who didn't participate in these measures. If only we could know what happened in a number of African nations and measure that against China and the US. Golly Jee Whiz, if we only knew! (P.S. That's why we need covid equity.)
No data because they know what such studies would reveal, and they wouldn't want the world to be aware of it.
Great post, Jill. I hope everyone grasps the sarcasm.
Does that mean making sure everyone gets Covid? :D
I certainly hope so! We need everyone to be injected immediately. Then they'll get covid and lots of other things too! Check this out. It is stunning: https://twitter.com/i/status/1465728581464588293 (Video by Unicef on injection equity in 2025!)
I remember how at some point a year or so ago, quite a few people suggested the data coming out of African countries was not supporting any of the claims regarding the supposed effectiveness of lockdowns and other non-pharmaceutical interventions. All ‘The Science‘ had for an explanation was an endless stream of weak ‘no true Scotsman’ variations. People in African countries were too young to be able to compare, or their countries were too sparsely populated, or they did not count cases properly, or it was the wrong season to compare, or they just came out of an Ebola epidemic that killed all the vulnerable people, or they had less international travel and mobility, or they were just at the beginning of the big deadly COVID wave, etc. ad nauseam.
Somehow, if you would believe it, none of these factors ever reverted to the mean so we could *finally* compare countries and conclude nothing we have done over the past three years mattered. Nobody cares to go back and analyse because why would anyone want to learn from their mistakes right?
Being liberal means never having to follow logic?
How about, "Being liberal means never knowing what logic is?"
After reading all the posts here ,I have no more need to be puzzelt or busselt ?? Upps I almost wrote pussied ,sorry .
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of geeks are liberals, and programming makes high demands on one's logical functioning to code.
What makes me really angry is how, as an engineering PhD myself, there were so few other "geeks" on the side of freedom. Virtually everyone I knew who had been liberal in the true classical sense of the word and also geeky sudenly became brainwshed, and even worse then brainwashed one saw plenty of evidence of hihgly talented people putting themselves at the service of evil causes. Anyone who wrote source code for vaccine passports should never be allowed to work in computing/IT/tech/anything again. Where did all the Stallman and Assange type tech libertarians go? Why did so many of the folks so happy to tear down cruel walls of restrctive digital DRM so happily line up to build cruel virtually implemented walls in the physical world?
Why would Stallman and Assange be considered libertarians?
I question your use of the term Highly talented ! I think one dimensional is more apropos ; the terms are not the same
Or say you are sorry?
Being liberal means never having to take responsibility.
Just witness the EU parliament! (or any other Collective Waste "democratic institution".
But don't think the opposite means being conservative.
How about being Progressive means never looking back. I think a lot of them actually take it as a compliment when you put it that way and don't realize how their amnesiac lives are screwing the rest of us.
They do a lot of looking back at perceived injustices though ( done by others).Everything they do is for the greater good. This total lack of self reflection is their strength. Nasty Nancy P comes to mind.
Sorry, but if you think “Zero covid” was actually about covid, youre just barking up the same wrong tree as the NYT! Remember in December of 2019 when millions were in the streets of Hong Kong protesting and had been for months! Then, conveniently, along came Covid and like magic the protests were over! Well China is in the midst of an economic meltdown due to the real estate Bubble which burst last year and banks are imploding and millions cannot withdraw their money from the collapsing banks thus causing bank runs and chaos in the streets! Suddenly Covid Returns, even though medically they had it licked with Chinese herbal medicine in March of 2020. The NYT is either out of the loop or purposely withholding information! They wouldnt do THAT though….would they?
Ding ding ding!!
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-covid-years-werent-terrible-for
It might be tempting to dismiss China’s incredible run as simply good fortune, but that would be a huge mistake. Remember extremely early in the pandemic, when covid was exclusively a Chinese problem? Remember all those videos showing people dropping dead in the streets?
Yet covid caused nothing like this anywhere in the world. The videos were completely fake, and a huge psyops campaign like that doesn’t happen on accident. The Chinese government faked the videos that kicked off the panic around the world. China falsely claimed that lockdowns stopped the virus cold, setting the way for bought governments around the world to mimic China’s response. China then rode the ensuing wave of chaos to the precipice of becoming the world’s largest superpower. And now they’re performing a follow-up act with lockdowns in Shanghai, no doubt hoping we will jump off that cliff again.
As far as I know, no government official has spoken about these faked videos and what they mean. Perhaps the Chinese have a incriminating paper trails leading to our ‘public servants’ like they do with Tony Fauci. I’m 100% positive the Chinese bribery trail runs in our government much, much further than the Biden family. It’s time that important people start asking important questions — is ANYBODY going to hold China accountable for their actions?
I keep reminding people of Mitch McConnell's Red Chinese wife whose immediate family remain in China in very powerful positions.
I still haven't decided for sure if the fake videos were a CCP op or an op somebody(maybe DOD china hawks?) ran against them, but finding out the truth of the videos would be one great key to finding out what really happened.
They're too elaborate to by anything but CCP, IMO. In a few of them you can see the reflection of the 'cast' -- these were professionally created.
I agree they were professionally created. I wish I had been paying more attention at the time. Honestly, I was still making fun of people who thought Corona would be a big deal right up until the day my job disappeared when they closed the whole state.
I still don't get it really. Figuring out who made and promoted the videos would be am excellent way to unravel this nonsense though.
I’m not sure that all the videos from China were fake. People dying on the streets might have to do with mismanagement of the situation. What about news coming out of Italy? I don’t think it was fake, older populations - yes, close ties with China - yes, hospitals not prepared - yes.
I never saw the Chinese footage until well after the panic in March and thought it looked fake from the get-go. It's ironic, the very people that tell us that we derive all of our evidence from watching "you tube videos" basically were influenced to panic by youtube videos." Although I would like to ask those people who did buy into all of it if they were influenced by the video footage from China.
No. They are utterly fake. So many shots with the cell phone up so that you can see it is cell phone footage, yet remarkably consistent video quality and camera work. You can always pick out the one who is gonna die because they are so well in frame. Also notice the action or rather lack of it, there is never anything happening in these videos except for what you are supposed to see. Brutally obvious. Compare it to the videos of the vaccine sudden deaths, where they are frequently in the corner of the footage, there is an actual reason for the recording not simply filming nothing happening until someone suddenly dies 'unexpectedly'. BTW, is it a weird coincidence that the vaccine causes the sudden deaths that were claimed for COVID that it didn't cause? Any theories on that?
But it is VERY unlikely that these videos made it out of China against the CCP's wishes, unless it was done by Western intelligence agencies. Either China faked the videos or we did. The only possible way that they are real is if the original outbreak was an outbreak of whatever in the vaccine causes sudden deaths, which is a nice theory in that it explains a lot of CCP's actions as a response to US bioweapon and release of the much less deadly virus that came to be known as COVID as coverup/opportunistic crisis. But I am keeping that theory on the back burner for now. It produces some nice answers but has a lot of problems.
Click on the video in the article. In one of them, the 'dead' guy stops his fall. They are fake.
Italy sped up their curve by infecting all the at-risk at once when they put covid patients into nursing homes. They get a pass on this because they were 'first', but then NYC and other states (as well as the UK) did the same exact thing a month or so later.
I didn’t know that NYC nursing home fiasco was modeled after Italy’s . Disgrace
That's why NYC and the other governors shouldn't get a "pass" -- they already saw what the result was in Italy.
I'm truly and utterly perplexed on two fronts (or maybe it's just two sides of the same coin). Lockdowns work to prevent the spread of the virus, or do they not? I thought the last three years have proven that the COVID virus can be controlled about as effectively as global climate. What say you?
Related: if China never went for the mRNA scheme, but vaccinated its citizens (to what degree? Anyone?) with it's own proprietary blend, what can be said about the efficacy of this recipe? Are we seeing vaccine enhanced illness or original antigenic sin or something similar play out through the reinfection of a population with dramatically compromised immune systems?
I’m not sure what kind of insight we really have into infection dynamics in China. What we’re seeing now might be in large part the result of local officials or health offices no longer being disincentivised to report case numbers, for example. But I also think it’s the case that heavy containment measures *can* matter, if you have almost no infections, or if they’re regionally confined. By the time western nations locked down, this wasn’t the case here.
I think the incentive to 'hit their metrics' is the jackpot answer here. Because of this it is almost certain that the CCP has no idea whatsoever how many are infected or where or when.
What actually happened in any location in China, whether in terms of infections, or reporting, or containment measures I don't think can be determined with any reasonable certainty. Perverse incentives are the only kind bureaucracy uses.
It could also simply be seasonality + omicron. This is the typical time of peak flu season, and zero covid can't hold back Omicron.
It's exhausting isn't it? Almost 3 years and still the mainstream media just go on and on with their nonsensical views and I wonder who is still believing it all. Then I talk to a random person who tells me how correct the Chinese have been or how masks really do help stop viruses spreading or how wonderful Science is to have developed safe and effect innoculations so quickly and aren't we all grateful for them otherwise many of us would be dead. From the deadly virus. Which has killed millions and millions. And I sigh and move on. Because what else can I do - as long as the MSM keep pumping it out, the public will keep lapping it up.
[X] BAD if done in China or North Korea, GOOD if done in America or Canada.
X = Lockdowns
X = Government Pravda media
X = Censorship
X = Warmongering
X = Confiscation of Private Property
I'm not convinced that the closing in China were c-19 driven. There is a liquidity crises in China over the property value crash and defaulted property loans. China could be trying to control bank runs.
Yep. Remember this summer when they basically shut off accounts? (Video at very end)
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/were-not-gonna-take-it
This course of action, (let the virus die out via natural herd immunity) has and is the only proper couse of medical & societal action
Yes, the weak, old and unhealthy and/comorbidities will under go a short term culling.
History has shown this to always be the case.
Pro Tip
Live a healthy lifestyle.
Eat proper nutrition
Keep BMI < 26.
Use early treatments for nasal & oral cavities
Update your adaptive immune system.
The only way out is through
My son is American and lives in Zhengzhou, China, where the Apple plant (Foxconn) is located. He told me the reason the workers rioted was because they were locked in the plant and not allowed to leave and only fed ramen type noodles. This was because many workers tested positive for Covid. Not exactly what NYTimes described in that article.
I was wondering how Chinese government would allow production to slow down due to lockdowns- they solved it by locking everyone down at the production site and making them work :-(
I’m not sure if they made them work. All he told me is that they locked them in.
My take on covid craziness from the very beginning was and is that many people are just prone to panic. Most people that is, if you ask me after the 3 years. They just can't see it or are too embarrased to admit it. They thought that they were going to die and became mentally incapacitated by their state of panic. Panic does not discriminate between intelligent, stupid or political leaders. So the people in government who were supposed to lead the panicking masses were also the ones in panic. This meant that there was NEVER a plan. Just chaotic panic. Panicking people cannot make rational decisions or plans. So that is where we are. Still. NO PLANS. Just chaotic non sensical rhetoric and self justification from people who panicked but didn't die. That is also why I am more afraid now than ever before to be in a situation like a plane crash or a sinking boat. I know most around me are going to try to kill me through their sheer panic.
I wholeheartedly agree and think that people who want to be re-elected and have a panicking electorate at their hands will always be tempted to go along with the panic instead of calming voters down with rational argument.
It's funny, I'm visiting my parents and they were all up in arms about how "half the people in China have covid" after China "did so well with their zero covid policy", and I was thinking wait, am I still on planet earth? What are they talking about??
But now I see there was an article in the times... Now it all makes sense!
I"m hoping this is facetious: Whereas in the West, we had totally open and honest discussions about the insane, enduring closures, that weren’t marked by massive censorship and government intimidation at all.
Sarcasm.