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Eidein's avatar

After reading this full post but not reading the underlying analysis yet (I do have a day job), I have to say that I generally agree with the conservative position that our host is taking. Given the enormous numbers of vaccines given out, a death rate of 1 in 1000 would be immediately apparent, I would think.

But I do have two caveats to that, or areas for additional investigation, or however you want to call it.

First: mortality isn't the only thing we care about. There are fates other than death, after all. The shots might have disabled people or generally cratered their quality of life, without killing them.

I know I'm preaching to the choir but over the past year, a _lot_ of people I know who were generally pro-vaccine and denied any risks, have told me that they have suffered fairly severe health issues in the past few years. Maybe 2/3rds of these people straight up say they believe it was the vaccine. The remaining 1/3rd don't believe it was the vaccine, but I do.

Most of them are citing heart-related issues, which makes perfect sense given what we've known about the spike protein since April of 2020. But some of them have been fairly severe. One guy I know was hospitalized for a month. Another guy has been dealing with moderate health problems, enough to make him routinely miss social events, for over a year now. Five or six others I know have ambiguously referred to issues without sharing details. And these are just the people who have told me this in person. The numbers jump the dozens if I include internet friends 

Second: The vaccine disability stuff has made me really appreciate just how well the authorities can suppress inconvenient information if they want to. I legitimately thought that everyone around me was still getting boosters every six months, until last April. I was laid off from my job, and somewhat pissed about it, and went filter-off in work chat. One of the first things I said was something like "FUCK ALL OF YOU FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ME. I NEVER TOOK A VAX". Three of the eight people on my team at work DM'd me to say "I wish I had not taken it, I've had health problems ever since", and this made me realize that there's been a preference cascade and it just happened quietly.

That, plus finding out in the past six months how many of my friends are suffering moderate to serious disabling health problems, has made me think. After all, they've all been suffering these since 2021. Somehow even me, with my paranoid conspiracy theorist brain, missed this. The government successfully suppressed this information from me, and even talking to close personal friends who had had this experience first hand, it took me two years to find out.

So, honestly, maybe 20 million americans have died of covid vaccine, and all the numbers are lies, and the authorities have somehow successfully hidden this. It sounds insane, but this _literally happened_ with covid vaccine _disabilities and nonfatal health issues_. So at this point my epistemic foundation is so thoroughly fucked that I could believe just about anything

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KlarkashTon's avatar

Your analysis appears sound. I would say that even one or two thousand deaths in New Zealand because of the jabs would be a terrible result and should be more than enough to revoke any authorization immediately. Solidly proving such a conservative number would, in my opinion, be much more useful than falling prey to any exaggerations. „Wer zuviel beweisen will, beweist nichts!"

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