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David Horn's avatar

So it's the vaccinated that should be tested 2x a week to keep their jobs.

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JonZig's avatar

Here in Oregon they ( public Ed) won’t let people take on line courses unless they’re vaccinated. I read a comment from a guy in VT that said it was the same there. Crazy people with too much power.

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paranoid goy's avatar

Weeelll, seeing as their virus does not actually exist outside a computer model (in silico), it only goes to say that you need vacc-insane-tion to attend on-line classes.

Jeez, don't you people know no nuffin'?

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Kate Brownshirt strikes again …

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Simon See's's avatar

The virus is very clever.

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Marilyn M. Krzus's avatar

That’s it in a nutshell! Too much power—and they have never had to prove anything. Blindly, the sheep fell in line. Well, not THIS puma!

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NucMedNinja's avatar

I must wear an N-95 mask at work and get tested once a week, while the vaccinated wear regular surgical masks. My employers reasoning is to “protect me” from becoming ill.

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Susanna's avatar

My work has a similar policy (actually even more draconion - I'm not even allowed on campus without careful permission), but they have explained carefully in my accommodation form that I am a "threat" to campus safety.

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NucMedNinja's avatar

Not surprised, as I am also a threat to our patients, even tho the vaccinated are now considered “superspreaders”. I’m just happy I live in a state where exemptions are accepted (TX). I am the primary wage earner in my family. I would hate to lose my way of earning a living.

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apathy's avatar

That requirement is ridiculous. 18 months a surgical mask was enough unless dealing with covid patients. All of a sudden with this mandate on a whim it's not good enough and a 95 has to be worn. Even better, when testing took days the policy here was to wear a surgical mask while "covid was ruled out". So for days you'd be in and out of the room with just a surgical mask. Then days later when the test came back postive you put on the N-95. Magic eh? Not needed until confirmation.

Making you wear the N-95 the entire shift is nothing less than punishment for refusing the jab and insulting to put it mildly. What a middle finger to those who risked their health dealing with an unknown pathogen at the time with inadequate protection while a multitude of others others chilled at home. Regardless if they wanted to or not.

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Wearing the N95 is a way to be identified as unvaccinated. We do in fact feel punished, and a little paranoid. A mass email was sent reminding the vaxxed not to bully us.

If we are indoors at work we are required to wear it or face disciplinary actions. Here’s their reasoning for the unvaxxed to be tested weekly (besides the Biden mandate)-a direct quote from our policy: “the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that although breakthrough cases of COVID do occur in vaccinated individuals, fully vaccinated individuals spread the delta variant virus for a shorter time when compared to unvaccinated individuals.” WTH?

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What the hell indeed. Where I am they haven't mandated the shots yet. Waiting for the rules from Medicare they say. I'm not complaining. Plus the state government is very hostile to vaccine mandates. But in reality I'm sure they would love to implement it. But they are worried about staffing. We just got over the surge of covid madness. Only with the help of outside contracts and lots of cash thrown at current employees. But we are still short staffed even now. So not in a rush to make it worse. When it does finally happen, requiring N-95s when surgical masks have sufficed, other than covid patients, for well over a year would be insanity.

Speaking of staffing, multiple coworkers are resigning soon to travel. They took the jab and will be going to other states to fill in for those that declined it and were fired. At 4-6 x or more the pay they receive now. We live in a world of 🤡's now.

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Marilyn M. Krzus's avatar

LOL! So true! The N-95 is your yellow star. If we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it.

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Leah Rose's avatar

Well, given that N-95 masks do protect the user, you are indeed the one being protected, and the testing (assuming it’s a reliable test) is assuring that your mask is working. I don’t envy you the daily aggravation and weekly inconvenience, but on the bright side, at least you aren’t likely to get sick from the asymptomatic vaxd virus-spreaders at work…

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David Watson's avatar

N95s do not protect against airborne virus. They slightly reduce transmission, but slightly less infected is still infected.

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Susanna's avatar

David - Agreed. I did a dive into mask studies last year and came up MUDDY! My final take-away was that if I ever faced a situation where I truly wanted to try to protect someone, I would wear an N95 but certainly not expect it to be much of a safety net.

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David Watson's avatar

The most important concept, even for chemo patients, is immunity is not binary, but comes in degrees of strength. Those who don't know their vulnerabilities should find out. Most aren't significantly vulnerable. Those who are should seek more effective protection than fashion masks.

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Leah Rose's avatar

I had not heard that. I’ll look into it. Thanks.

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David Watson's avatar

A lot of the evidence available last year has been suppressed. One quick revelation that hasn't been suppressed yet is the N95 specification, which has a weave size much larger than virus particle size. One doctor was fired recently for saying using masks to protect against virus is like using chain link fence to protect against mosquitoes. And many commercially available N95s, mostly made in China, don't even meet spec. And they're called N95 because it only traps 95% of particulates of the specified size, so much lower percentage for smaller virus particles. They appear to work since most people have sufficient immune strength to withstand infections, with or without masks.

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Armin's avatar

Except the virus does not travel alone, but in a fluid aerosol. N95 do protect against aerosols which is what covid is. Not 100% but nothing is 100%. Now, the issue is how to wear a N95 correct, and indeed how to not get a fake N95/KN95. That is very hard and hence most people will not do it. Also after a few 'wears' the fit is gone and hence it doe snot protect.

But let is not pretend that a real N95 when properly worn does not protect. Be specific as the issue is not so much that N95 does not work, but N95/mask policies.

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Marilyn M. Krzus's avatar

And the fact that all data regarding the vaccines in America has been officially suppressed by the government for 75 years (which presumes anyone living among the insanity today will be dead) does not give one much faith in the vaccine nor in the data!

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Leah Rose's avatar

What about an N-99? Still too porous?

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Richard Sharpe's avatar

Well, if her serum vitamin D levels are high enough then she won't get sick. Follow the science!

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263977v1

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David Watson's avatar

They need to use regression and theoretical zero risk levels because it's seldom measured. That's a shame, and a scandal on the entire medical industry. This panic could have been averted for pennies a day.

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Marilyn M. Krzus's avatar

I always highly respected the medical profession. But that respect has taken a hit when so many refused their patients HCQ or ivermectin. They have politicized the medical profession, even going so far as to try and cancel out ACTUAL epidemiologists who say we don’t need a vax or who have other suggestions to avoid the virus or tamp down its symptoms, most likely only becauseTrump said to try them!

And if that ain’t politicizing medicine, I don’t know what is!

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David Watson's avatar

Many of them do deserve our respect. Many don't, just in it for the money, and the adulation. The problem comes when respect turns to reverence. They're just humans, doing a job.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

You can look at it from the good side. You are protecting THEM from becoming ill.

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el bicho palo's avatar

makes no sense, masks aren't protecting anybody but hurting everybody.

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arthur brogard's avatar

My word. That IS the point. There is physical medical harm. To the 'normal', to those with special conditions the harm increases of course. To children there is radical harm, they by nature exist in a different world to us.

But never forget the psychology. They train the population to be servient and unreasoning. They train the population to accept irrationality. They train children to fear everyone. They are a massive exercise in the psychological crippling of the human race, don't you think?

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Marilyn M. Krzus's avatar

YESSSSS! And it’s frightening!

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CMCM's avatar

Exactly.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Not from the virus no, they only work for bacteria. Viruses are so small they go straight through, like putting chicken wire around your yard to keep wasps out.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I think that's broadly true. While even a cloth mask provides a bit of protection, as I understand it, it's more to stop exhalation of large droplets (sneeze, cough, etc.) For anything that is airborne, just plain logic suggests most masks won't be much use. For true protection you would need something approaching what they wear in a BSL-3 or 4 level lab.

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Nikhil's avatar

Don’t worry, at my job we’re vax mandated and still have weekly testing(and masks) 🙃

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NucMedNinja's avatar

At least the PCR for you is more accurate at 24cycles(?) vs 37cycles(?) for those of us unvaxxed. (Not quite sure of the 24 vs 37 number of cycles. Anyone current on the testing parameters?)

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David Watson's avatar

Excellent report, thanks. But I think you're too generous is ascribing motives for the medical tyranny. The bureaucrats who demand ineffective and risky actions like mass vax, therapy prohibitions, self-incarceration, and mask fetish, are not likely unaware of their fraud. Fauxi expressed outrage at accusations in the Senate of his role in developing sars2, which his agency quickly confessed. Unlikely he was ignorant of his role, and unlikely he is ignorant of vax efficacy and risks. If ignorance is out, that leaves malice. Slightly less generous would be concluding his short height caused insecurities that affect his ego to the extent that he imperiously ordered malicious actions because he can, like the fat boy ruling north Korea. Next down the scale of generosity would be payoff by the pharma industry, old fashioned graft. He's performing a hard sell on an inferior product because it's profitable. Next step down this path of infamy is politics. This routine virus was used as an excuse to successfully manipulate a national election, and medical bureaucrats were major enablers. They need to continue that manipulation until they achieve total dominance, or reversal will quickly shift sentiments from fear to anger. Most likely we're watching a perfect storm of a confluence of those societal failures, along with a deterioration of education that leaves much of the population unable to detect the fraud being perpetrated on them. The only solutions are electing competent replacements, or violence. Virginia will provide a clue of our future tomorrow.

But even with that strategic oversight, I'm a big eugypius fan, and a new subscriber. Go get 'em.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Great analysis.

I am 100% convinced that malevolence, not incompetence, is to blame. How else to explain the cruelty behind denying the unvaccinated the ability to provide for themselves/families? Even a trip to the grocery store is off-limits to the new untouchables, in many countries. Observe the glee in corporate-owned media when an unvaccinated person dies of covid. The dehumanization of people, as history shows, usually leads to genocide.

A revolution is underway. Since last year's mostly peaceful riots, the Democratic Party has acted as if it would never face another free election. We are not voting our way out of this.

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JR Ewing's avatar

You are 100% correct.

I keep hearing commentators opining that McAuliffe is going to lose in VA tomorrow and the 2022 midterms will be a "bloodbath for dems."

Leaving aside the fact that voting for the GOP likely doesn't change anything anyway, I'm very reluctant to care about elections anymore. The dems have shown that they can and will cheat if necessary and they know that no one will stop them.

McAuliffe will find just enough votes to squeak this one out and so will most dem congressmen next year.

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Although I moved south 20 years ago, I was born the area and lived in (Northern) Virginia most of my life. I was never "politically connected" by any means, in fact, from a conservative background that was noticeably "out of step" even by the 1970s. The growth of the Federal ( = liberal verging on Marxist) government has changed the state in ways unimaginable in just a few generations. I don't follow the politics there any more, but I think it's a Democrat prize now.

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Edna Jayne's avatar

My optimism has left the building. I highly doubt VA will vote a republican as governor. Most of the population relies on WA-DC for their income. In their minds, their lively hoods depend on keeping Dems in office. They won’t jeopardize their lifestyles by voting for someone with an R after their name. Maybe I’ll be wrong, but after watching CA keep their governor, my hope for folks to turn towards a different direction, went right out the window.

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David Watson's avatar

How's that working for you? If about 40,000 conservatives had voted correctly last time, we wouldn't be suffering Joe's incompetence now. Abstention guarantees defeat.. As Reagan said, 80% enemy is still 20% friend.

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hoppah's avatar

If 40,000 Conservatives had “voted correctly last time”, the Left would have found 45,000 more “voters” for itself. The whole idea is that it always appear really close. The fact that it always does is by design.

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JR Ewing's avatar

This is exactly right. They always keep coming back and finding just as much as they need. Don't believe it? Ask Dino Rossi or Norm Coleman.

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David Watson's avatar

No, they found as many as they could. They always do. It was enough this time. Usually it's not. If it's not close, they can't cheat. Don't let it be close.

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The Davidtollah's avatar

The pause in counting of ballots in the 2020 election was used to calculate how many fake ballots they needed, and in what proportion (they couldn't just dump 100% "Biden" ballots), to put Biden over the top AND to make it not look like the election was rigged. Otherwise, they could have just flooded the counting room floor with fake ballots. It was not just necessary to cheat to win, it was necessary to evade detection.

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David Watson's avatar

It's not too late to vote our way out, but it does seem unlikely. The silent majority usually responds, eventually. We will prevail, just a question of how forcefully. I expect rather extreme retribution.

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hoppah's avatar

And of course they attack each other, rather than the authors of their misery.

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Princess Tatiana's avatar

Will there be glee when an unvaccinated child dies of covid?

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David Watson's avatar

Will there be sadness when vaxed kids die? More likely to die from vax than virus.

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Barry Smith's avatar

This is an important question IMO. How we choose to individually respond to extreme retribution will determine the much of the future. I am not advocating passivism, rather militant retention of our humanity and Christian morality.

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David Watson's avatar

Retention of humanity dissipates in the mob. We're driven more by mob emotions these days than by individual principles. Thosexwith individual principles are being purged.

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Barry Smith's avatar

100%. Martyrdom is back on the menu boys!

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arthur brogard's avatar

I am not an American. I have watched your Republican v Democrat 'war' with interest this last few years: since the dawn of Trump in fact.

It does seem to me more and more clear that Democrats are on the whole far more inclined to violence, abuse, irrationality, selfishness, immediate reward, etc..

You can almost pick a 'Democrat' voter in any comments thread simply by looking for ad hominem attacks, abuse, swear words, accusations.

And I wonder if perhaps this political divide of the American people is not really an intellectual division at all. Is not really a difference of political opinion arrived at from cogitation of the situation and a concept of a fair, just, 'ideal' world but instead is really simply a separation of the American people into two 'types'.

Not two political philosophies at all.

But just two types of people.

Not a question of thought at all.

But a question of psychology.

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The Davidtollah's avatar

Question of psychology? Absolutely.

Democrats believe in consensus and going along to get along, which is why they have a lockstep mentality that, in part, makes them as successful as they are. Republicans tend to think alike in general terms, but put two of them in the same room and there will be at least three distinct opinions about anything. (Today, even if a Democrat disagrees about something, he knows better than to let that cat out of the bag. The consequences for doing so are harsh.)

Democrats also favor safety and security over risk and liberty. They started out protecting the vulnerable with social programs, but they are now hell-bent on protecting everyone from everything, even people (mostly Republicans) who don't want the help. Republicans, obviously, understand that life is a risk that ultimately nobody avoids. They prefer independence of thought and action, and balance that by personal consideration of the risks. They believe people are capable of doing this calculation themselves, the Democrats believe the people are not and require the government's direction in everything they do.

I could go on, but you can see that the concepts of government and society favored by both Democrats and Republicans are driven by their psychologies, and that their politics are derived from differing views of life and how to live it.

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Chris M's avatar

Those darn conservatives are always too simplistic and straight forward!

Type 1. Marxists

Type 2. Not Marxists

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arthur brogard's avatar

I don't know if this observation means anything at all, but here it is:

I've observed groups of friends who get together to idly talk, pass time away, maybe have a couple of drinks.

And they bring up subjects.

And I notice the way they seem to arrive at 'truths' about these subjects.

They don't discuss at all.

They don't follow any logical threads, arguments.

They don't produce any data.

But they 'toss out' onto the table sort of disconnected 'postulates'.

And they keep tossing them out like playing the card game 'snap' where you throw out cards until two match, until they get enough matches that they can settle on that as the 'truth' of that matter.

So to try to create an example say they are 'debating' the cause of the broken widget in the thingummy.

A: It's the whatchacallit.

B: No, Jimmy says its the thingo.

C: I've heard the whatsit often goes.

D: Yeah, the thingo is very suss.

A: What about the whatchacallit. Bill says the whatchacallit

D: Yeah but you know Bill.

B: The thingo, eh?

C: I did hear someone saying the thingo once.

A: So you reckon the thingo?

B: Looks like it to me.

All nod their heads. It's the 'thingo'.

They will all go on from there to always stoutly maintain 'it's the thingo' and reference their friends as authorities for that claim.

I don't know what you call this method of 'investigation' but I think it is very common.

And to my mind it is not very reliable at all and is strongly indicative of a 'Democrat' discussion. Though I wouldn't expect it to be absent amongst Republicans, either. But just as I think we get far more vituperation and abuse in comments written by Democrats than those written by Republicans I think this kind of ratiocination is more common amongst Democrats.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Looking at Fauci, we simply see a well compensated functionary who has arrived at the pinnacle of incompetence. It's simply a power trip. I doubt he believes in much but imagines his work is the most important thing on the planet. The arrival of his desired pandemic is his best achievement. Whether he benefits financially hardly matters. His glorification by media is affirmation of his great success. The next administration will escort him to the door with great praise; his co-workers will be pleased to have him gone. He can bask in infamy.

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The Davidtollah's avatar

Gotta wonder about a guy who has a large portrait of himself on the wall of his home study/office.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBXpFP5WQAoeLlE.jpg

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Dodgy Geezer's avatar

If ignorance is out, that leaves malice.

No, it does not. What it is is a classic case of face-saving. All humans do this. You take an action - it turns out wrong - you try to recover while claiming that you were right all the time. Because the person who pretends that he was right keeps his job, while the person who frankly admits a mistake becomes a scapegoat and loses his...

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David Watson's avatar

That would be ego, so yeah, there's probably some of that. But if you're absolving them of malice you're more generous than me.

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Dodgy Geezer's avatar

I've sat there and watched it. It's not just 'ego' - if you are a senior Civil Servant or Establishment Apparatchik you are part of a massive social system which looks after you and yours, so long as you don't rock the boat.

If you do, your job will go, all those extra directorships and other perks will go, your wife will leave you and you won't have your flash house. So you persuade yourself that whatever the Establishment wants is somehow right - even if that involves total doublethink. It's not individual malice - it's being trapped in a situation where you just can't tell the truth...

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David Watson's avatar

Yes, and civil service folks aren't the sharpest tools in the shed to begin with. That's an area of government that needs serious overhaul.

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Princess Tatiana's avatar

Stupid or evil? Isn’t that the question? Followed by: evil in which way?

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Barry Smith's avatar

I hope you're right. However, given the mobility of "goal posts" and the ability of Universalists to devise endless distractions, I think there is a hefty probability that the fact that the emperor has no clothes will be proclaimed irrelevant in favor of ever more extreme retribution.

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Barry Smith's avatar

Wrecking the economy a al Cloward & Piven is indeed in full swing and will have catastrophic consequences the day China hits the "sell" button on it's entire holdings of US Treasuries. My theory is that the enraged US (& Canadistan) populations will demand that the gov't fix the problem because that is their default behavior. The gov't will be gladly undertake that task with fresh promises and a price tag ---- more extreme retribution. The enslavement will continue until the resistance manifests itself in non-compliance.

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arthur brogard's avatar

I'll go along with that. It's how I've seen Fauci from the beginning. Ignorant.

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David Watson's avatar

He's definitely not ignorant. Probably one of the best informed people on the planet.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Do you have the slightest understanding of how a large bureaucracy actually works, especially a government or worse, military? I do. I spend a good fraction of my working years in military and later civilian Federal positions. Yes, those in charge are intelligent -- up to a point. They are "well informed," but with the possible exception of truly critical posts, you underestimate the selection bias of the whole system. The compliant drone who mouths the correct platitudes, the currently fashionable dogmas of the State Religion is who gets promoted. Let me put it bluntly: Do you really think that Fauci or Walensky has an aide that says "Are you out of your fucking mind? Do you know what that policy will do? Here is study X that shows what happened when that was tried. Just six months ago in Country A, they tried it and it failed. Here's a study from Dr. B, that shows promising results." Let's be realistic. Anything that would bruise the egos of the head honchos, or even worse, call into question the wisdom of recent decisions from the top or God forbid, impede the profits and power of big contributors (Pharma in the current case) would be not necessarily fired, but certainly stripped of clearance, transferred to a job of no consequence, and his career dead.

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hoppah's avatar

Bingo.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

While it may be difficult psychologically and emotionally to go down the rabbit hole and consider that this was a plandemic, perhaps it's time.

Nothing makes sense. Every bit of public health wisdom garnered from the past century was tossed out the window. Governments are acting against the interests of their citizens. "Public health experts" are pushing jabs that they've admitted don't stop infection or transmission...to protect against infection and transmission. They're pushing extra doses of last year's magic potion for last year's virus (that's now extinct) to protect against next year's virus.

Something is very wrong in the world right now. Can it really be explained by stupidity, incompetence, arrogance, hubris, greed? I joke that one day we'll wake up and learn our "leaders" have been replaced by space alien lizards.

Nothing makes sense right now. The problem is global.

We have to stop reacting to the actions, etc., that don't make sense through the lens of the world we thought we lived in. We don't live in that world any longer. I wonder if we ever did.

As hard as it might be, we must consider that this was done to us...to the people of the world...on purpose for a purpose. What is that purpose?

And we should not be afraid. We are legion. They are not.

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ProShop's avatar

I have often wondered how much of the 'pandemic' was due to over population, an ageing population with fewer youngsters to support them vis-vis taxes/social security/ health care costs/etc, and a dangerously close-to-the-tipping-point environmental catastrophe. A random 'culling' of the population wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for the world. There are already more (highly educated and getting more educated) people than there are jobs. There is already no more land to destroy for the greedy Western appetite for meat, oil and poisonous 'food.' Man has become more violent and vicious than animal. We are being driven into more violent and radical (think tribal,) view points vis-a-vis the MSM. Our 'leaders' may very well know something catastrophic on the horizon that we don't. Either that, or they are going hell for leather to push us into a social credit scoring system whereby every aspect of our life will be controlled by - insert the 'conspiracy' of choice - and a smaller global population is much easier to control than a larger one. You want to travel? You need a pass. You want to shop? You need a pass. You want to go out for a meal? You need a pass. If no one can see where this is going, they need their head examined. We are being corralled into the pen like animals. Controlled. And the freedoms just keep getting taken away. One by one. You are absolutely correct, nothing makes sense. Until it does. And by then it will be too late.

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I've heard many different theories in my sojourns down the rabbit hole. Some are mundane (greed, avarice, stupidity) and some are downright dystopian. I don't know what's happening or why. I just know something is very, very wrong in the world...and whatever is going on doesn't fit into my understanding of aberrant-but-normal human behavior.

I've been concerned about the growing global population and the health of the planet...but I certainly don't think a 'culling' of the population orchestrated by people who have money and power is the answer. Great wealth and power are not indicators of intelligence or ability. They are psychopaths. They have different motivations than normal people and no moral inhibitions 'cause they don't have morals.

"There is already no more land to destroy for the greedy Western appetite for meat, oil and poisonous 'food.'"

Do you know how many coal plants the Chinese have built in the last year? How 'bout they're consumption of fish and pork? How many pigs are exported from the US and other countries to satisfy the insatiable Chinese appetite for pork?

Seriously, your claim that the Westerners are the only ones with appetites for meat, oil, and poisonous foods is just wrong. Very few human beings live in harmony with the land and nature...anywhere not the planet.

BTW, I think the "fear the Chinese" meme is part of the psy-op. They are a red herring. I've wondered how many of their moves in the past few years have been defensive against the globalists. Don't get me wrong. I think the Chinese are a threat, even though I don't think they have the hegemonic ambitions that the Soviets did. Why? They have the biggest population of any country in the world...but they don't have enough arable land, clean water, food, or energy to support their population. You don't need a crystal ball to see trouble in the future.

"Man has become more violent and vicious than animal."

Man has always been violent and vicious. Always. You need to review the history of the 20th century.

"We are being driven into more violent and radical (think tribal,) view points vis-a-vis the MSM."

Yes, the media has too much power and influence, but it's dropping. For most of human history, mankind was tribal. Group identity has its positives and negatives. Your family and your countrymen with whom you share a common ancestry and history are more vested in your welfare than others. Why do you think they (whoever they are) are flooding Europe and North America with people who are "other"? They are trying to break any sense of ethic or national identity. If you don't want your country overrun by people from somewhere else, then you must be a racist xenophobe...right?

But, yes, the media is trying to divide us here in the United States. Are they (whoever they are) trying to weaken us, so they can conquer us? I'm not suggesting a military conquest (but I don't rule it out). I believe they are trying to break our spirit.

I've read that the globalists see the inevitable collapse of the world economy. They've been robbing us blind for decades...and the bill is about to come due. They want to secure their continued wealth and power before than happens. The social credit score is a means to control us. The jabs and the vaxx passes are the path the the social credit score.

It all seems very dystopian and sci-fi. I have children and nieces and nephews, and I worry about their future.

We are legion. They are not. Their evil plans only work if we comply.

So don't comply.

Remove yourself as much as possible from their economic system. Pay off your mortgage if you can. Don't use credit cards. Put your money in local banks. Do anything you can to slow them down.

Pay attention. Get involved. Don't comply.

I listened to an interview of Catherine Austin Fitts last night. People have been wondering what they can do to fight back. She recommends using cash as often as you can...especially on Fridays.

https://home.solari.com/cash-friday/

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Happy to throw China under a bus as well but you're point regarding chicken and pork don't support the environmental implications that my comment was alluding to: "Beef has the second-highest emissions, generating 27.1 kilos (59.6 lbs) of CO2e per kilo consumed. That's more than twice the emissions of pork, nearly four times that of chicken and more than 13 times that of vegetable proteins such as beans, lentils and tofu." And I don't know what city in the US you live in but it has NEVER been this divided, this 'tribal' and this violent than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Ever. That's just the way it is and yes, cash is great. When you have the option...

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gato de esmoquin's avatar

The situation with beef r.e. emissions isn't so simple. I recommend listening to a talk/interview with Frank Mitloehner. Plus plant agriculture is pretty awful for the environment and beef consumption in the US has been declining over the past 60 years while poultry consumption has been increasing.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

I don't eat beef or pork, so I have no issues with raising awareness and reducing consumption. All food production can be hard on the environment.

And I'm not throwing China under the bus. I'm pointing out the reality of their consumption of food and energy...and the implications for the future.

I live NW of Philadelphia. And, yes, I think the country is very divided. It has been for some time...long before this so-called viral pandemic. The psy-op to divide the American people was done on purpose and for a purpose.

What is that purpose?

I would not call what is happening in the US and other parts of the world tribalism, which I think is an outgrowth of common ancestry, beliefs, history, culture. I think of it more as a cult or mass formation...the same kind of phenomenon witnessed during the Bolshevik Revolution and Nazi Germany...the latest manifestation of our human tendency to divide into "us" and "them".

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David Watson's avatar

Unlikely it was planned. Complex conspiracies always fail because they're necessarily imperfect and more complexity gives more opportunities to fail. This was an opportunistic response to a minor virus, made possible by collusion by captive media and ignorant population who are easily terrified.

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ProShop's avatar

Global opportunism at the cost of what? Economies have been destroyed and people worldwide are on some 'pass' of some sort. I am not naive enough to believe that they all 'did it for the money.' Sure, some insanely wealthy people/corporations/pharma made an obscene amount of money but what good is that when the 'little man' doesn't have a job or money to buy what you're selling. Pull the curtain back. There's a lot more to it than anyone can comprehend. Money and opportunism works until it doesn't. The great reset is not about money. It can't be.

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David Watson's avatar

It can be both, and probably is. Fauxi will never be emperor of anything other than his obscure agency. But his greed and arrogance areuseful tools for those who would be king.

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ProShop's avatar

It draws too many parallels to 'The Emperor's New Clothes.' Soon, they too will know they are naked before the masses.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

"This was an opportunist response to a minor virus, made possible by collusion by captive media and ignorant population who are easily terrified."

Agreed. For what purpose?

We can argue whether or not they (whoever they are) will be able to pull this off (whatever this is)...but we cannot argue about their plans. They've been very transparent. Apparently, by 2030, we'll own nothing ('cause they...whoever they are...will have taken it all away from us) and we'll be happy.

I don't think we'll be happy.

So, whether they created and released the virus to accomplish their evil plans or they are taking advantage of an accident doesn't really matter.

What is happening in the world right now in response to this virus doesn't make sense and is being done on purpose.

What is the purpose?

I know how it ends for them...

Lined up against a wall or dangling from a rope.

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David Watson's avatar

You seem to assume everyone will submit. They won't.

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cmpalmer75's avatar

I assume that most people don't understand what not submitting will entail.

It's gonna take more than refusing the jab.

They control all sectors of the economy, the satellites, the internet governments, military. If we don't stop this juggernaut soon, we'll have to burn it all down...figuratively and literally.

Prince Chuck just said a "vast military-style campaign" is required to marshal a "fundamental economic transition."

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1455164263836815369

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David Watson's avatar

Most people dont really understand what submitting will do to them either. An ignorant population is easy to manipulate. Vax is absolutely not the main concern. It's a battle in a bigger war. Civil War, so far. Still a chance we can resolve it peacefully, but it requires each of us to educate everyone we meet.

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giannmi's avatar

Agree. Listen to one Ron DeSantis press conference. He is firmly planted in the camp of "No F*cking way". The resistance to this tyranny is massive.

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sdev67's avatar

What is the purpose?

Probably started with their desire to get Trump out of office. Shutdown the economy, close schools, complete overreaction to a flu like disease. Remember when they at first tried to downplay the virus, urging people to get together for Chinese New Year celebrations because Bad Orange Man shut down travel from China? Then they all did a 180 when they saw an opportunity to use it as a weapon against Bad Orange Man. They didnt give a whit about any harm that would be piled onto the citizenry, all that mattered was getting him, and any price the peons had to pay was justified. To hell with the people!

Then their true authoritarian desires took over.

Then Big Pharma announced their shots were ready and everyone saw dollar signs. Big Govt would pay Big Pharma Big $$$ for their shots, Big Pharma would then give generously to the politicians who would drive the mandates. Big Pharma screwed their own safety trials by jabbing the control group. FDA rushed their EUA. All other possible therapeutics had to be suppressed to maintain the EUA for the shots to keep the gravy train going. True scientific inquiry had to be silenced.

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arthur brogard's avatar

Yep. My humble suggestion is that we all quietly say, all the time, whenever possible, the same couple of very, very, simple things:

. There is no emergency, it just isn't that bad.

. These government measures are making everything worse, terrible.

if (hopefully) challenged, we can prove those contentions, over and over again..

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Tim Gehringer's avatar

When the history of this “vaccine “is written the jackals that were directly and indirectly involved will be vilified and denounced as traitors to humanity and science. So many crimes starting with the Chinese for releasing this scourge and the pharmaceutical companies for taking advantage of the virus, the governments that were directly responsible for oversight and safety that failed or worse knowingly sought to damage us, the media for perpetuating the lies and finally the medical field including the thousands of doctors that failed their patients trust and have permanently damaged the entire field of medicine.

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Candis's avatar

I think it depends upon who gets to write the history. There is a pretty fierce, MSM blacked-out battle for that busting our in the streets, school boards, ballot stuffed suitcases, alternative media sites, courts, stadiums,..you name it..all over the world right now.

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Tim Gehringer's avatar

Truth will always be known whether in this world or the next, and God’s judgement is the only one that matters.

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arthur brogard's avatar

The world is changing. The internet and smartphones made all this possible. the global mass hysteria, the governmental controls and measures, the media coordinated disinformation and blackout campaigns.

Nearly all to our detriment so far.

But I'm picking the tide will turn.

And the internet and smartphones will enable us to name and shame every single journalist, every editor, every columnist, every politician, every public health official, etc, etc... everyone, anyone, and pull up their record and make them live with it. For the rest of their lives.

Like I'm saying the very modern miracle mechanisms that made all this horror possible will also ensure that eventually the truth comes out.

That's the one difference between Orwell's 1984 and our 1984.

A massive difference.

I myself have amassed hundreds - maybe a thousand - links to videos and texts, interviews, whatever, that record what happened and who did what and why and when.

The truth will out as never before.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Unless you have made off-line electronic copies of those resources that you alone control, then you have saved nothing. Big Media = Big Tech = Big Brother. They have near-total, near monopoly control over all things media. Yes, there are niches (like here), but if you think the article or the video you saved a link to will be there in a year or perhaps even next Thursday, you fool yourself. Orwell's Ministry of Truth and the Memory Hole really exist, in various forms.

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arthur brogard's avatar

That's precisely what I'm referring to. Yes. I Ctrl-C every webpage of interest I find, such as this one. Then I copy and paste the link into a PSPad file. Then I save the link to a bookmark category, for what that's worth, not a lot, I grant. Then if it is a video I download it. Even take the trouble to find downloaders for 'marginalised' video players like Rumble. Most particularly in fact, because the marginalised are so often the most valuable and the very marginalisation a 'proof' of the current iniquity.

And you see that's my point: I can do that I do it. Not imaginable in Orwell's world, not in his time and he was unable to foresee a future when it would be.

So I do it and I do it as an almost inevitable consequence of the pressure they put upon me.

And I am merely one of millions.

And our core 'millions' are surrounded by a penumbra of millions more who are not so much 'activist' perhaps but are 'believers' and are on our side.

And it goes further. I periodically copy them over to usb's and to whole disks designated as data disks, filled up with 'my own material' which includes that stuff.

I'm big on copying. Millions of us are. There's going to be no more destructions of the library of Alexandria, you can bet on that. I think. :)

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Fear's avatar

Most all of it is lies.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

IF the Chinese released it. After all the American government paid for grub like this, too. I wonder if someone should take XI at his word and check the American military bases? A German journalist claims the American government owns patents on the Sars virus. I wonder if it is true.

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el bicho palo's avatar

yes, you should go down the patents rabbit hole. Dr David Martin is a good place to start. Ron Unz has written extensively about the US Mil involvement

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I've read most of Unz's COVID-9 related stuff. In general I think he's a good writer and speculative journalist. However, I think his rouge op and bio-warfare attack theory is quite weak. In the first place, it violates Occam's Razor (seek simplest explanation.) He poo-poos the "Lab release" hypothesis, noting that news reports to include leaked intelligence reports could be falsified. This is certainly true. Apparently, he overlooks that HIS theory suffers the same weakness, as it relies on different news reports and different "leaked" intel reports.

Of course, virtually all cases must rely on circumstantial evidence. We may never know for sure which explanation was correct.

I haven't investigated the patented SARS virus claims, but they are entirely reasonable. Remember, SARS and cousin viruses have been studied extensively since about 2002. Life forms are routinely patented for decades, and the USG holds some patents (I guess, if they fund the research.) It is quite possible that the COVID-19 pandemic was started by an escape (accidental, I assume) of a virus from labs precisely researching how to respond to a pandemic.

To be sure, we can't be sure: the virus could have been natural or engineered, the release accidental or deliberate. What is beyond doubt are governments and corporations acting badly to profit/gain power as a result.

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Fear's avatar

The presupposition there is that there is a difference between the actual leaders of current America and current China. Correct that erred assumption and current events make much more sense.

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JR Ewing's avatar

Politicians can never admit a mistake, ergo the doubling down on bad policies. It's understandable in a way, even if it's entirely political and public health policy shouldn't be political.

But what's worse, at least to me, is that many people, especially people of a certain ideological POV and sympathy towards government, don't WANT to hear these types of evidence and don't WANT to be told that government is wrong. They've decided that government knows best, ergo anyone who disagrees with the official policy must have some nefarious political purpose. They'd rather continue to get sick and continue to die and continue to put up with all of the nonsense than be told that maybe the government - "We're all in this together!" - is wrong.

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John Malone's avatar

Yeah I have the same. I always knew a battle with evil was coming, but I was expecting it to be with the Elites. It's not - it's with practically everyone I know, who would indeed rather stick their head in the sand and hope.

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Mel's avatar

Well, it’s the “elites” who are driving this. Never forget that. Love your neighbor. You can join forces with them, even if they seem the most unlikely bedfellows. But you can’t do that with the people who are spinning this shite at the highest levels. Ever. So don’t make enemies of your fellow citizens in your somewhat same station/class. There are some pro-vaccine folks who are waking up. I figure if I can convince a few of them to see things the way we see them, I’ve done a good service for my fellow man.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Specially if they notice that you are healthier than them, or if you got the virus, that you recovered with no problems, like a few of my friends (the vaccinated ones reacted - oh they looked so good, even though they had the virus)

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Mel's avatar

So true, Ingrid. So far, of my five refusenik friends, none have been ill. But the vaccinated ones, each has been ill and one vaccinated friend caught Covid from her vaccinated husband. Two other friends died of new or accelerated aggressive cancers in the last month. I know several vaccine injured folks too. Peace and good health to you, Ingrid. And cheers!

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Brad's avatar

It's hard not to be mad at one's 'fellow citizens' considering that many of them are all too eager to make you destitute without a means of providing for your family, or to deny you critical life-saving medical care, or to silence you from speaking, or to put your own children at risk of an experimental drug, or to even put you in a "quarantine camp" indefinitely. I know they're victims of brainwashing and non-stop propaganda, but that's of little comfort to me. Even if 'we win' and manage to push back this medical fascism and totalitarianism, my disgust in humanity will remain forever.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

That is why I chose to live in the boonies with a dog and 3 cats

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Mel's avatar

But we can try not to be mad. It’s not our fellow citizens next door who closed middle class businesses. It’s people in high government positions who did that. It’s not our fellow citizens who ordered mandates. People high up in the academia-medico-pharma-healthcare-government complex made these awful decisions. They are the ones I am mad at, not so much the glazed-eyed masses who fell for their bs. Most of those people are still reachable. Not all. But many are. And by uniting, not dividing us- well, this is the way we will win the ultimate game of betrayal played upon us by people who believe themselves our “betters.”

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

The exasperating problem is that even many intelligent people are unreachable, if they have closed their minds to logic and evidence.

I've had arguments with a friend, who has an MA (humanities). OK, not hard science, but you'd think there would be critical reasoning skills there. She repeated, no doubt from media, that we must have 100% vaccination to control the virus. I pointed out to her that the existing vaccines did not prevent infection or transmission, so even were that 100% goal reached, it would not halt the virus. This did not faze her. These people honestly believe that the vaccinated are catching the virus from the unvaccinated that the vaccine was supposed to protect against.

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Mel's avatar

There are those true believers. And I agree, they are exasperating. I just pass on those types and try and work on the ones who are still able to rub two of their brain cells together. Maybe, just maybe, there’ll be a spark! :) “Keep hope alive….” Fat chance, huh?

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el bicho palo's avatar

"the line between good and evil passes through every man's heart" AS

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Ales's avatar

We've never been in this together. Desk jockeys and people who are "working" from home -- not much has changed for them. But for small business owners, and for everybody else that need to be physically present, it's a different story.

And in this twisted reality, the elites and desk jockeys are now telling the rest (that had to take much larger risks early on) how to behave and what they can do. Perversion!

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

And that have all the meds and treatments at hand. And refuse them to the people. First praise the doctors and nurses and then fire them because they don't obey. Sounds a bit like old Rome dictators.

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ProShop's avatar

We moved to NYC from another country four years ago. The city is a disaster. Crime. Mental issues. Violence. Land of the Zombies - not too dissimilar to San Francisco and LA. When I ask New Yorkers, 'was it always like this?' They say, 'no. We have an idiot for a Mayor who has decimated the city.' But when I ask them why he was elected a second term, they answer that he was a Democrat and that they're Democrats. And that's how they vote! Excuse me? You swear allegiance to an idiot because you two are on the same team? That... I cannot get my head around. And the kicker is that many here have moved to Republican States because the taxes are better and it's a better life style! BUT YOU GOT WHAT YOU VOTED FOR!!!! And now they will try and 'turn' the red state to a blue state. And then where will they run? How does any of this make sense to anyone who does not live in the United States. It doesn't. Madness... pure madness.

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arthur brogard's avatar

That's right, mate. I'm a foreign observer. I see the same thing. The USA is deeply, deeply irrational to the point of apparent insanity.

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Barbara costas's avatar

yes.

It's why Elon Musk just cautioned Texans not to allow Texas' capitol ( Austin) to turn into San Francisco

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Ales's avatar

That's also the case in SF Bay Area.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

As a native born American it pains me to say this, but perhaps you should keep your citizenship from your homeland. Unless it's a really bad-off country, you may wish to return to it at the rate things are slipping here. 😒

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

ONe has to vote for a person, not a party. So far I voted rather democrat, too, mostly because the republican candidates were not great. But now we have a great republican and I will switch teams. It is hard to judge a book by the cover, one does not personally know the candidates. But when there is a good one at work, it is made easy.

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CMCM's avatar

Absolutely so! At 72 I've voted in every election since I first was allowed to vote. I initially registered as Republican and have remained with that, although over the years I have occasionally voted across party lines based on a particular candidate and have voted for a Democrat here and there, also some 3rd party candidates. I'm not chained to the R party nor is that my identity. I could just as well register as Independent or Unaffiliated and be happy with that, but I keep my R registration intact mainly so I can vote in primaries. It's just that at this point, given the actions and sick ideology of Dems since at least 2008, I simply cannot vote for any of them at any time, and to try to keep them from dominating by diluting votes away from R's, I can't vote 3rd party either. I have felt that most of the Dems I know or who I've met recently are so mindlessly wedded to the Democrat Party that they simply can't imagine voting any other way no matter what or who they are voting for. Being Democrat seems to be a core part of who they are, like a lifelong religion. I'd love to get back to a point where one can happily vote for the best candidate no matter which party he or she represents, but unfortunately this isn't an option at this point in time when we are trying to save the world as we knew it. Now our votes must be cast carefully and deliberately in a desperate attempt to degrade and minimize Democrat power, and to eliminate from the political system the most egregious of the political players who are systematically destroying everything.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I know a few on both sides like that, unfortunately. If everyone were to think like you, we might get a government that works for the people, not for their own pockets (and vote laws that benefit the ones that fill their pockets)

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Barbara costas's avatar

yes.

it reminds me of what Lord Varys said about Littlefinger in Game of Thrones:

"He would turn the country into ashes so long as he could be King of the Ashes"

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

What a great series and not just the copious nudity 😃 My favorite line was Tyrion teaching his page [name?] how to drink and the poor boy couldn't keep up. "It's not easy being drunk all the time. Everyone would do it, if it were easy."

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apathy's avatar

Podrick.

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Patrick Noone's avatar

with only small exceptions, the debate and commentary on eugyppius's little substack here is of higher quality than almost anywhere else. Anyway there is so much ground to cover but I went from a "confluence of malign interests" theory (basically, the stars aligned so that uncoordinated crappy ppl had incentives to pursue crappy ends so it only LOOKS like a global conspiracy). I've moved on from that, and have arrived at an 20/80 construct - we are definitely in a coordinated nightmare of evil, maybe 20% WEF and BBB types, who point the direction, lay the groundwork, and the rest of the 80% is the incompetent followers who feel they are being state-of-the-art (think Klaus Schwab among the 20% and the Trudeaus and Arderns as among the 80%).

I draw upon 30 years of watching malign interests co-opt unlikely allies to do their dirty work (i.e. Putin gets US college kids to be anti-fracking) and/or just let bad ideas have their own momentum like opening Pandora;s box.

The good news is that in this is the seeds of their own destructive...the technocratic elite was on borrowed time and now they've performed this great last fuck up for us all to see. So, yes, we will attempt to vote them out and let's hope they get the message, bc if they don't go quietly the solution is to revert to older methods (strung up in the town square). If you think that's not civilized, ask yourself if what they're doing is civilized. They've abandoned the rules of civilization and they will reap the loss of such, IMO. I hope it doesnt come to that but it may. The global elite will move on from this and get about the REAL business of shutting us down in the name of climate change. Smarting from the drubbing our lives and freedoms have taken from their arrogant incompetence in re COVID, I doubt very highly that we'll take it lying down. The world is in for massive, sustained resistance to the global technocratic elite...and as the song says "I feel fine"

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SoDeeplyConcerned's avatar

GOD: Noah, will the 80% fit in your ark?

Noah: NO.

GOD: Well, guess they will need to figure this out themselves...

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SoDeeplyConcerned's avatar

6uild 6ack 6etter.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

They hate dictators in words but follow their dictators in the real world

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Just_Henry's avatar

Another great analysis! The systematic failure to acknowledge natural immunity has set us up for continual failure using vaccines as the solution.

Consider this: since it appears that the injections are not 90%+ effective as originally advertised, and endless boosters are imminent, the only way this pandemic will end is with continued ‘breakthrough’ infections among the vaccinated resulting in full spectrum immunity. As such, innoculation of those with prior full spectrum covid immunity is unnecessary and further innoculation of those who don’t have natural immunity is counterproductive, that is, delays the inevitable infection imparting full spectrum immunity.

I would suggest that until vaccination is halted this pandemic will continue to fester.

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SpankinRedAss's avatar

It's starting to look like infection post vaccination won't help. I think we need more data, but the blood donor S & N antibody survey out of the UK is not encouraging.

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Bash's avatar

I wouldn't read into antibodies too much. All the Chinese vaccines make N-antibodies (since they are whole inactivated virus, my wife got 2 shots of Sinopharm) and the joke at home is that she got 2 shots of sweet&sour sauce; since those shots are worse than useless

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SpankinRedAss's avatar

Nor do the Chinese mandate the Vax, as far as I've heard. The fact of the matter is that much of the world only has access to "vaccines" that only stimulate response to the spike protein. My curiosity-induced blood test last week (595 U/mL) only tested for the S protein antibodies, but I am quite certain my immune response was much broader.

On a related note, I had my wife convey my sincere thanks to her friend that gave us the 'vid last Christmas season 😊

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lymond's avatar

Hopefully "original antigenic sin" doesn't inhibit the vaccinated from gaining full spectrum immunity. https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/original-antigenic-sin

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Just_Henry's avatar

Hi Lymond. Very good catch on that footnote! The restricted data available here (in Vermont) which has a 90% fully vaccinated population shows that we're in an outbreak among the vaccinated (has to be when 90% are vaccinated) however, there is no consideration given to those with natural immunity.

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BigE's avatar

However, our governor Scott appears to be finally aware that the natives are restless, and seems to be weary of the lockdown culture. Let's hope it sticks.

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arthur brogard's avatar

I think the whole question of vaccine effectiveness should be looked at by all of us.

It is taken to be a slam dunk, no question: vaccines are good.

But when you take a serious look at the literature you find many, many things to question.

Got me thinking.

And got me back to the very beginning.

Which is this: Vaccines are nothing.

NOTHING.

Am I mad? What the hell do I mean?

Well I mean a vaccine simply kick starts your immune system. Nothing more.

A vaccine has no therapeutic value of itself.

Doesn't pretend to have. Never did. No one ever said it did.

So Vaccines, of themselves, are NOTHING.

It is ALL our own immune systems.

So in that case the question gets to be:

Is it optimal to kickstart the immune system?

And then it gets involved.

Because it gets kickstarted in a few different ways and some may be better/worse than others:

attenuated virus. killed virus. viral fragments. mRNA: a mere protein from one part of the virus.

And it never gets kickstarted purely by the original threat because they found that doesn't work well enough but they found the immune system responds much better when they add an 'adjuvant'.

i.e. what you might think of as the 'vaccine' isn't really of itself what 'kickstarts' the system, it seems. But it is vaccine+adjuvant.

So that makes it more complicated again. Because we can now get involved in much argument about these adjuvants because some of them are decidedly toxic.

See?

That's just the beginning.

Yep. Vaccination should be a reluctant 'last step' in the face of imminent enormous threat.

But they're pushed and used as a necessary 'prophylactic' against a 'known to be absent' threat. i.e. we routinely vaccinate children against diseases supposedly absent in our society - in order to 'keep them absent'.

It goes on. It doesn't get nicer the further you go...

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Guttermouth's avatar

It's almost like the policies are about consolidating authoritarian power rather than effectively addressing an endemic virus that isn't extremely dangerous in the first place.

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VeryVer's avatar

I am not vaxxed but also recovered covid. I am facing a vax mandate and I was wondering this: my boss was vaxxed with the jnj shot in March. I’ve read that by now the vax is at 3% or worse efficacy. If she doesn’t take a booster, how is she “protecting the workplace” but I am not?

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JR Ewing's avatar

"Shut up" they explained.

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Scott's avatar

She's not. Possible super spreader.

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Joe Michels's avatar

I head a good solution for your work mandate. Ask you boss which "vaccine" is mandated; which is best; and for him to show you data data why it is the best. Make them work as to the reason for the mandate. Make their costs high. Ask them to prove that vaccines work and are safe. It is on them.

Then, show this this information, including the referenced studies, to counter their narrative.

Make them prove they are safe and effective. When they can't, threaten them with a law suite.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I hope that you will think long and hard before taking that first vaxx. Yes, you may face loss of employment, restrictions on public access, and so on. But if you take the shot, in the first place you will need two, and then (likely) one each six to twelve months. The benefit, other than temporarily keeping what you thought were your rights (job, freedom of movement, etc.) is you gain half-assed protection against a virus that you're probably already immune to. The drawbacks are you pose serious short- and long-term risks to your health. You can always find another job, but you can't move into a new body.

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John Smith MD's avatar

Thank you, this was very helpful. We see reporting on breakthrough cases but we don't have good data during these reports on when the vaccinated were last dosed. This would be very useful knowledge but I suspect we will never get this data here in the US

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JR Ewing's avatar

We need stop the use of the term "breakthrough cases" when discussing covid shots because it implies something unusual and gives unwarranted credibility to the political narrative.

A child catching chicken pox after being vaccinated is a "breakthrough case".

As has been clearly demonstrated by now, someone catching covid after getting a covid "vaccine" is not unusual in the slightest.

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Jen's avatar

Breakthrough cases = vaccine failure.

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Max's avatar

The term "vaccine" is bad in this context for the same reasons as the term "breakthrough cases"

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

No vaccine is perfect. But the fact remains that what we traditionally think of vaccines (I'm talking about decades ago) came quite close to that ideal: one injection offers life-long protection. I realize there are exceptions but I think they were exceptions to the rule.

The COVID-19 gene therapies (they do not meet the old definition of "vaccine") do provide some protection, but less than a year's shows it's far from effective and as for duration; I have never heard of any old vaccine that faded after mere months.

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Jen's avatar

I just encountered this link but I don't have access to data of my own to test it:

https://t.me/JohnDeesAlmanac/639

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Max's avatar

I agree we should avoid the misleading term "breakthrough". What term do you suggest?

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hoppah's avatar

It all seems so senseless, until you realize that there are always two reasons for public policy, the “Good Reason” and the “Real Reason”. The “Good Reason” is as you state, the “elimination of COVID”, which is simple and persuasive to the thoughtless. The “Real Reason” is massive profits to the pharmaceutical industry forcibly extracted from the public via taxation, which are then filtered and passed on to politicians and campaigns who are on board, as well as used to sponsor propaganda outlets in the major media. When you understand the “Real Reason”, it all makes a lot more sense.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Money is a factor, but a small one in the big picture. Consider a dose of "vaccine" costs about $40. Then assume two per person per year. $80 per head annually (about $35 billion in the USA) is tiny portion of medical spending alone. Lust for power or some deeper agenda is the prime mover of the government program.

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hoppah's avatar

This isn’t just the U.S., it’s the whole globe. They want everything on two legs (and some things on four) to get multiple shots every year, until the end of time, which is a potential annual haul of $560B or more, which is plenty of money for pharmas and their lapdogs in the media and overlords in politics to salivate over. It’s a completely sufficient reason. All the other reasons are just icing on the cake.

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apathy's avatar

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/02/business/pfizer-earnings/index.html

They expect to make 36 billion from their vaccine this year alone. One company out of the 3 given given the governments blessing.

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apathy's avatar

And 29 billion next year.

It won't stop there. The next course on the vaccine buffet is RSV.

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/year-rsv-ahead-as-pfizer-gsk-present-dueling-maternal-vax-data

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SwampFox's avatar

Great post. The scariest part is what you only hinted at... what are the long term side effects and harms that the vaccines will cause? Maybe it's just "propaganda" but there are sure a lot of Doctors saying death, including cancer, is up exponentially.

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Smoothgrooves's avatar

Interesting and very worrying about cancer rates increasing. But surely if it is truly an exponential increase there must be some tangible verifiable evidence somewhere?

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SwampFox's avatar

Here is one doctor who has documented it. From what I have read all rates of disease are up. Sepsis, which is what Bill Clinton had, is just one of the major side effects. Hopefully I can post this article: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/idaho-doctor-reports-a-20-times-increase-of-cancer-in-vaccinated-patients/

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Smoothgrooves's avatar

Nice thanks - will take a look.

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JonZig's avatar

It’s sad that so many are so ignorant. I have less than a high school Education and I understand viruses better than most college graduates. If you continue using a weak, failed vaccine, the virus gets stronger not weaker. It simple virology. So to continue down the road we’re on, we will kill more people that otherwise would have passed it off as a cold. By now anyone getting the Vac. should well informed but they aren’t. Nobody talks about all the problems the Vac has caused. If you do your put in e-hell with no voice. I’ve watched and I’m horrified our “leaders” are still in charge.

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Fear's avatar

Just a comment about the virus "getting stronger".

RNA type viruses like covs, Dengue, HIV, etc do not plot or scheme to become stronger.

Simple natural selection is instead at play here. With sarscov2 we have a rapidly mutating pathogen once inside a cell simply due to it's nature as being unstable in a sense.

So "vaccinated" people will simply put pressure to select for mutations in the spike that evade the immune response created by the vaccine. These are purely as a result of random mutations that happen all the time, but trillions of them.

These mutants will then better evade the next person so "vaccinated" with the same spike.

The mutants are not stronger per se in the sense of necessarily being more deadly. They are simply evolving to evade. Generally viruses become more contagious and less harmful as generations progress.

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apathy's avatar

Speaking of mutations he is a study on the immune compromised and the many mutations the virus had due to the persistent infection.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2104756

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apathy's avatar

Here's another, the patient had HIV and mutated 30 times.

https://www.biospace.com/article/south-african-hiv-patient-was-a-natural-laboratory-for-sars-cov-2-mutations/

The worrisome part:

"The new properties developed by the SARS-CoV-2 virus during its incubation in this HIV patient’s body enabled it to increase in strength, resist certain vaccine compounds and block some COVID-19 therapeutics".

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Fear's avatar

Fascinating stuff, thanks. But not surprising. At work on the "antibiotic stewardship meeting" not a single other doctor or medical professional can draw the parallel between wanton widespread careless use of a poorly performing antibiotic to what they're doing with these non-sterilizing gene therapy products and a rapidly mutating virus with extreme R values.

Not one gets it. They're all under a spell.

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apathy's avatar

It's become a religion. I've often wondered how people became enthralled by David Koresh or Jim Jones. Such fervent devotion and belief that they followed them to their deaths. How could a group of people turn off their minds like that? Now we are seeing in real time and on a massive scale. The general public doing so is dismaying but not unexpected. Like ants marching behind the one in front of them. But medical professionals? Scientists? It doesn't bode well for our future.

All that said, I've dealt with covid a lot. It's more than a flu for some people. But leaky vaccines aren't the answer.

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Fear's avatar

Absolutely it's a religion created by a mass psychosis. Professor Desmet describes it well here in English:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=Qj5bo_KFqgo&feature=emb_logo

Also this is a rather simplistic but effective video of mass psychosis through the ages:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M&feature=youtu.be

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JonZig's avatar

That makes sense.

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Rob D's avatar

Totally agree. I do have a bit of education past my GED (I loathed school), but I remember in 8th grade learning about bacteria and viruses. I'm thinking that these basic sciences are not taught in these government run propaganda prisons posing as schools anymore. Based on that so-called "education" if we add social media, the "mainstream" media, pop culture, a litany of unbelievable shots starting at age 0, and a diet that is so devoid of nutrition we can barely call it food... it's a wonder that we have any civil society left at all. Hoping to glean any critical thinkers from this typical mass is a pipe dream. A great example is asking a person if they personally know anyone who has died from so-called "covid". The answer in most cases (not all, of course) is, "No, but I have a friend who has a friend that knows someone." The light bulb still doesn't come on. Just a bit of drool in the corner of their mouth and a grunt. Just the way the system wants 'em.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

I actually know a handful who died or were hospitalized. Without exception they were advanced in age and most or all with serious pre-existing conditions.

I agree with your education comments. I've often seen the claim that what an authoritarian government wants ideally is an ignorant populace. Over many decades, the USA has moved greatly toward that goal.

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JonZig's avatar

Common sense is now a Super Power.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Compliment: Your comment was near perfect in grammar and clarity. If you really are "less than high school" your composition skills exceed that of many 4-year college graduates. And merely by being in this discussion, it shows you as a critical thinker, another trait of high intelligence.

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JonZig's avatar

That’s the best compliment I’ve ever receive on the subject of education and intellect. Yes, I made it through my second year of high school and found it empty. I was more interested in working and starting a family. I love education when done right. So much is so bad I would never send a child in to public school.

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Big Grey's avatar

Excellent summary of intelligent intuition on this whole mess. As time goes by, more data, stories and personal experiences will open the eyes of many "thinking" people. The rumblings are already here. Many do not want the vax for a variety of reasons including myself. We have gone through an infection and recovered. Having no other issues other than being on the age bubble, we have decided to take our chances with natural immunity. The data manipulation around adverse impact to so many otherwise healthy (now dead) people is becoming more clear every day. Plus anything the government wants us to do this badly is suspect. What is the real reason behind all the coercion and mandates? A real pandemic doesn't require a marketing campaign by the state to coerce us into seeking a true remedy. Pray. Plan. Prepare. Resist.

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The problem with this write up is that it falls into the same logic trap of those pushing the vaccine. The vaccine is good for old people simply because it pushes back, my a few months, how long they may live. Based on that it isn’t all bad if old people get booster shots for the rest of their life. Although it is mentioned that there are potential long term negative effects, which may be a catastrophe from injection a poison into our bodies. This should be everyone’s real concern. They have turned the World’s population into lab rats. The worst may be yet to come. We know it is causing blood clots through out our body, and weakening the hearts of young men. They have never had mRNA injections work successfully on lab rats or the any animal. Are we going to wait until we start dropping like flies a few years, or even a decade, from now before we stop this potentially deadly experiment. At least complete the normal FDA approval process….which is not a few months. A potentially Worldwide disaster in the making, with no one being held responsible. While psychotic Soros and his friend eugenics Bill smile as their wildest dreams are realized.

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eugyppius's avatar

right now we have to build arguments from their own data - i don’t mean to discount the strong possibility of frequent severe adverse reactions in the vulnerable.

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Curio's avatar

Incidentally, your piece on mottes and baileys – https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/mottes-baileys-vaccines?fbclid=IwAR2rW2XPd5RjWlPW2dNdbRRQfztxVlHK_xdYzcXGfzPuizR6HH5rN-wx8vY – is one of the most compelling pieces I've read in recent months. I've made sure to pass along the argumentative strategy it lays out to friends and colleagues, and have also filed it away for my own nefarious purposes, ha.

Conceptual structures like these aren't necessarily intuitive to people not well versed in law, or the art of high-stakes confrontational negotiation at large. However, explaining them can nonetheless be HIGHLY useful, e.g., to the average Joe/Jane currently being steamrolled by the Vaccinator Narrative™ and/or losing their job over encroaching mandates. As much as I'm a huge fan of your analysis, you also seem quite adept at teaching people how to dismantle the other guy's argument. More, please?

I'm sure other pieces along the same lines would be of interest to many readers. Despite the strength of one's convictions, the credibility of the stats on hand, and the basic validity of one's stance and rock-solid arguments, the fact that we're all permanently stewing in a crushing onslaught of propaganda and vitriol can make it harder, out of the gate, to hold one's own vis-a-vis one's opponent. It's much easier tearing "experts'" flimsy pontification to shreds once its premises, construction and vulnerabilities have been explicitly exposed.

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The Aging Viking's avatar

The problem is that we may all be the vulnerable. And if not in this round of mRNA injections….maybe the next.

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Satan's Doorknob's avatar

You have just made the best case for not taking any mRNA jabs at all, if possible. Unlike any benefit the jabs may give, I fear that the long term damage will be insidious for many (save the rare death by anaphylaxis, which amazingly is the only "contraindication" for the jabs!!!).

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Well said, Eugyppius. Hey, is there an alternate method of throwing you a few doubloons occasionally? I'm not in a position to subscribe--and wouldn't expect the expanded content--but I'd still like to buy you a beer now and then. Thank you SO much for your hard work.

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There is a place under "Other subscription options" to give a gift.

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There is a gold Subscribe button at the top of this page view ... for me, anyway ...

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Scott's avatar

Huh, unless I'm misreading something, looks like only subscriptions NOT one-time small donations possible.

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el bicho palo's avatar

yes, and in the terms of substack he cannot allow any other methods of payment.

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