To the surprise of nobody, it turns out that the campaign to increase vaccine uptake via social exclusion, threats, lies and firings has reduced public confidence in vaccination across the board
As a computer jock, I wholehearted approve of your demand for zero based indexes. ;)
I actually just went ahead and modified the query for the brief period I was an EMT. "On a scale from zero to ten, with zero being absolutely no pain whatsoever, and ten being absolutely the worst pain you have ever experienced in your life, how would you rate the pain you are currently experiencing."
(To which everyone invariably answers "eight" anyway... ;) Except for the liars who very calmly state that this hangnail is **definitely** a ten. Spoiler alert, if you can answer the question without gasping, crying, or screaming, it's **not** a ten. :p )
(ETA: I forgot the crazy people who will report a broken femur as a two. In case you're wondering, this question is only sort of useful. ;) )
They use that stupid bloody question here too. To which I always reply: "How am I supposed to know which value is what, without an index?"
That's before going into the subjectivity of it.
So when the doc or nurse starts wheedling for an answer so they can tick a box in the mandated form, I ask them: "Have you ever been stabbed? Have you had a tooth kicked out of your head? Done a 45 minute root canal without any painkiller?"
19 times out of 20, the answer is no.
"So how am I to know that you understand how much a '5' is for me, if I rate a stab wound to the lower arm as a '4'?"
The inevitable reply: "Well, we must put something in the form so just pick anumber and we can move on".
Something is very wrong with health care after globalisation started in the 1990s.
Agreed, the notion of 'you have to fill in this box' is always awkward. No matter how much you start with "just fill it in, no one uses it" eventually it turns into "someone uses it" and you get insane data.
I used to work for a company that had "accident prevention techniques" or APTs. All of use, plant to cubicle, had to put in 1 APT into the online system every month, detailing a potential accident danger we saw and how we handled it. Of course, everyone just made something up. Paper cutters with the arm left up were very popular, along with paper towels on the floor of the bathrooms, etc. (You'd think there were 100's of paper cutters in the offices.) Sometimes people made up ridiculous ones to see what they could get away with, that sort of thing.
When managers complained to the safety and HR folks that it was a waste of time and stupid data collection because everyone made things up, the response was always "Oh, we don't use the information, but we want people to be conscious of safety and thinking about it."
Until, that is, about 5 years into the program when it was announced "We have collected 5 years of reports from everyone, and we are putting your info to good work... we will be addressing the top sources of accidents and dangerous situations in a data driven way."
I left the company before all that came to fruition, but I suspect/hope someone pointed out "There are not that many paper cutters in the entire world anymore. People made this shit up because they had to fill in the box every month with something!"
I always have the latter problem, where invariably the doc doesn’t take me seriously then shortly after says something along the lines of “holy shit why weren’t you in here sooner!?” I would love to see data and possibly video of people describing the pain level for the same injury just so I could calibrate :)
To clarify, 20 was based entirely on faith in institutions without ever doing any research. 5 is based on having actually done some research and reflecting on how poorly these institutions behaved during covid.
See, I went to EMT school and worked as one for a while, and my ex-wife is a pharmacist, so I'd *done* a fair bit of research, and before all this, I'd have still given a 20. But they have *really* blown a lot of credibility of late.
If I had done research prior to covid, I would have still been close to 20. Most research overwhelmingly supports the safety and efficacy of vaccine programs. Covid needed to happen to recognize problems with "consensus science" and the financial incentives warping research. Seeing how right RFK was on covid puts his prior research on vaccines in general in a much higher standing.
Really?? we now have 1 in 40 children on the autism spectrum, and in 5 years the CDC projects 1 in 25?? Are you even looking or thinking? WTF is causing this? I haven't had a vaxx since I was a child, I'm 59. I did have 3 dTPA (for tetanus bc I'm a carpenter) WITHIN 5 YEARS because my dumbass Doc didn't keep records that you only need one every 10 years. I am totally repulsed by doctors/dentists/attorneys professionals who you thought you could trust. I know about 10% really give a damn like everything else. 90/10 rule...10% of ppl do all of the good work. You need to decide if they're narcissists or not, if they are, you need to move on to another.
I came into this having learned to critically evaluate scientific studies in the context of nutrition, whose science is generally abysmal, because it's mostly epidemiological. If you learn even a few of the basic statistical manipulations that are typically used, in addition to becoming aware of financial incentives, all of a sudden consensus becomes a lot less compelling.
With even the kangarooish vaccine court in the US awarding vaccine damages to several children who developed autism related to vaccination, how can you say that?
and then the high rate of Guilane Bare syndrome, that even the CDC says is undercounted, really?
Totally agree..everything has changed now. Vaccines have been very dangerous since the childhood schedule jumped from 8 to 40+..or whatever ridiculous amount it is now...
I disagree strongly with all of it. I’m starting to think all vaccines might be a problem—mainly because I no longer trust the vaccine dispensers to just injure or kill a “small” number of us as they see fit.
Eugyppius, one problem with this UK survey is the way the statements are worded. For example, #1 "Vaccines are safe." Is that ALL vaccines? What if I consider some to be safe, and some not? Or what if the respondent doesn't consider the Covid shot to be a "vaccine" but that other real vaccines are generally safe, can they then confidently give a score of 5 to Question 1?
Indeed, the survey measures “vaccine confidence” as defined by the WHO, and here “confidence” is what you might call a euphemism for “compliance.” They are vaccinator ideologues who want compliance with all officially recommended vaccine schedules, so they word the survey accordingly, to measure this. You’re not supposed to ask which vaccine (still less question whether a given product is a vaccine) - if you do that, it lowers your score! Too much thinking without permission.
I'm close to this. But I could give 4 or 5 to my PCP. In June 2021 he completely and enthusiastically agreed with my reasoning why I didn't need the covid vaccine: not old and in good health.
Same. Like many other people the antics and dishonesty has moved me from someone who didn't really question vaccines, medicine, public health, thinking that they had our best interests at heart in spite of stuff-ups to someone who now questions the motive behind everything they do. I'd rather not be in this place.
1. I’m at a 2, but still will never allow any vaccines into my body in the future (I haven’t had any since college anyway).
2. 1 - disagree vehemently
3. 2 -- I think he THINKS he has our best interests at heart, but we refuse almost everything he suggests because it’s clearly borne out of his own misguided trust in pharma, various research study claims, and just his willingness to tow the line even though I can tell he questions some of it interiorly at this point.
4. 1 -- this has never been the case and it isn’t the case now.
5. 1 - absolutely not! Clean eating, supplementation, intense physical activity, emotional fortitude, basically -- it comes down to lifestyle.
We’ve always been lifestyle advocates and I think supplements are absolutely essential. It’s not that we NEVER go off the healthy lifestyle reservation -- we do -- but we’re definitely fairly strict about it most of the time.
1. (3) A number of vaccines are safe for most people. I wouldn't include COVID vaccines as safe.
2. (1) If a vaccine protects the vaccinated then the vaccine status of others is irrelevant. Same thing if vaccines are ineffective.
3. (4) Yes she does. But that is only because I pay a monthly concierge fee to get a doctor who is enough of a contrarian that she is unemployable in a major medical practice that relies on insurance.
4. (1) No, see the answer to number 2.
5. (2) They can be helpful, but I think modern hygiene and sanitation has done more to eliminate disease than vaccines have.
I would answer (1) pretty much across the board on these questions. That said, I find your answers thoughtful. One point I would love to discuss, albeit that this is not necessarily the correct forum. Questions 2 and 4 seem based upon long-held premises of "public health." That is, they are taught and believed, even by those who decry the misuse of vaccination during the Great Covid Dumpster Fire. The childhood vaccination schedule seems based upon the necessity of the majority of people being vaccinated! I am certainly not an epidemiologist, but if vaccination protects the recipient--like some sort of invisible shield--that should not be the case. What am I missing?
#1: "Do you mean the not-really tested Coof Jab, or something with lots and lots of data behind it, like TDAP?" My opinion on *most* vaccines has not changed. I do not *now* have a negative opinion of the concept of vaccination in general.
So for the Coof, it's "N/A" because I lack sufficient data to evaluate it. For just about anything else, it'd be a 5.
#2: 1 (That's not something that changed, I'd have been opposed to it in 2019, had it come up.)
#3: Again N/A, I don't have a GP. I do feel that the vast majority of the doctors I deal with regularly actually *do* have my best interests in mind, but they are also nearly exclusively mental health professionals whom I have previously vetted for that problem. Not all of my prior practitioners in that area quite qualified. So, for *them*, they get a 5.
#4: Well **NOT ANYMORE**, given what we've learned about the lies regarding transmission and the Coof Jab. For stuff like smallpox or measles, I am operating on the notion that those vaccines actually *do* prevent infection and therefore transmission. So, again, this is either a 1 or a 5, depending on what specific thing is being queried.
#5: I'll give this one a 4, even now. The Coof Jab seems to have been a wash at best and actively harmful at worst, but I have definitely significantly benefited in the past from being vaccinated against various illnesses. I spend a *lot* of my hobby time playing with **extraordinarily** rusty cars, so I just go ahead and get a TDAP around every birthday that is evenly divisible by 5. It's worth it for the peace of mind if nothing else, and I've gotten sufficiently used to them that they don't really even bother me any longer. ;)
This is why I hate surveys, their questions invariably suck regarding context and specificity.
2. 1 (Nope, no coercion. If it's so good, you should be able to convince people to take it of their own free will. And if you can't convince them, then you have to respect their choice.)
3. 2 (Tough to answer, given that I don't have a GP. I tried to register with a GP, they kept me on their waiting list for well over two months, then they invited me to register *provided* I was juiced up, and when I told them I wasn't, I was no longer welcome. That was a few months ago, in the summer. I don't believe doctors are actively trying to kill me, but they're more interested in showing me who's the boss than they are in improving my health, and overall, my confidence in the medical profession, never that high to begin with, has reached a record low.)
4. 3 (It depends on the vaccine. Generally true for sterilizing vaccines, but false for leaky vaccines. In fact, getting vaxxed with a leaky vaccine is likely to harm others by creating escape variants.)
5. 2 ("Necessity?" Some of them are pretty useful. Humanity survived without them for millennia, though.)
Re #5: Yeah... but the average life expectancy was a *lot* lower, too.
I'm very happy for things like TDAP, MMR, Hepatitus, Shingles, and so forth, just as I'm very happy for basic antibiotics and a lot of other basic medicine, particularly compared to 500 or even 100 years ago. But even as someone who is admittedly predisposed to be positive towards the medical field, my trust in it is *shot*, these days.
"I'm not nearly as angry about the fact that you lied to me as the fact that in the future I can't trust what you say" would probably pretty accurately describe my position regarding the medical field at this point. :-/
Re #5: Much or most of the lower average life expectancy was due to infant or childhood mortality, which was high. I'm not sure how much of that was a matter of vaccines, as opposed to other factors.
Much of the rest of it probably comes down to better default sanitation, nutrition, and, in the countries that get cold in the winter, artificial heating. The latter factor is apparently to be tested in Europe this year.
Wondering what the results of the poll would be if they included the 20,000 people who were killed by the vaccines? The stupidity of these people is truly astonishing to witness.
My sentiments exactly. Exhibit One: this statement from the report, "abundant epidemiological evidence of the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines..." Look, I ain't no epidemiologist, but that is, in scientific terms, complete horseshit.
Well apparently the public is stupid too. They would've eaten a shit sandwich with boogers on top if they were told it would protect them from the coof.
There are a good number of generations of individuals who have been trained from birth to blindly follow authority. Every now & then, we have an opportunity to relearn the lessons we've forgotten. This is one of those times. Are there a lot of sheep? For sure. Should the wolves be able to slaughter them indiscriminately? Absolutely not.
Absolutely true, Joseph Carroll. Indeed, the U.S. educational system is based directly upon training a populace that values conformity and obedience as a sign of civic duty. The architects of that system wanted it that way, ergo, it is not a bug, but a feature.
The vaccine safety signal requires that anyone conducting such a poll should be immediately removed from any position of authority. And, if they were complicit in the coercion that created the genocide, to be arrested, tried and imprisoned for life.
Well, if you ask The True Believers, billions have been vaxxed and they have not died or died of C0VID, so it's all good. Total success. Except for the idiots not getting injected.
As for those cancer deaths in the US that they're "reassigning" to other categories, nothing to see here.
My confidence in conventional vaccines has certainly taken a big hit in the last couple of years. I was happy to get the tetanus booster four years ago. Now, after seeing the immense amount of Big Pharma fraud around the mRNA jabs, and becoming aware of the huge fines they've paid before that, I have started to doubt the efficacy and safety of earlier vaccines that I had previously trusted. I'm not sure where to go with this doubt. I fear I may have to dive into a huge rabbit hole that is opening in front of me now.
Yeah, me too. I’m wondering now like how many drugs actually work? I mean like, not just get some numbers on a chart to go up or down, but like help your actual life expectancy and shit? I stroll around the old cemeteries in Vermont and there’s a ton of old people there. And people were breathing coal dust and cutting marble by hand. How did they survive disease without medicine? Maybe it’s all a scam.
You can look at the Number Needed to Treat figures for any med that you have a question about to get a rough idea. If it's a good NNT, like 15, then only 14 people are toxifying their body and suffering side effects unnecessarily so that one person has the desired outcome. Something like Statins for preventing heart attack has an NNT of 217. With 1 in 15 people experiencing uncomfortable side effects. Have fun with that.
So if someone's prescribing Statins to their patients, confidence score 2.
I wonder if that might have contributed to Japan's longevity, because the midwives there had a tradition of leaving the baby laying on the cold floor overnight, and if it survived, it was a good one.....
Same for me. I used to get the flu shot every year. Not now, never again. I’m torn on the Tetanus shot though. Maybe if I can get the strait tetanus shot and not the tdap.
Keep in mind that there has never been a death from tetanus in recent history. Dr. Carrie Madej talked about that in an interview I saw. She was researching the tetanus vaccine and that’s what she found. The only wounds that are even a possible risk for it are deep puncture wounds, because the bacteria is anaerobic. So if oxygen can get to it, it can’t survive.
I've had borderline high blood pressure since I was 17 yrs old (still 130/90 -ish regularly). I read the studies on all the recommended medications and found that they lowered blood pressure, but all-cause mortality remained unchanged or got worse! My 'aha' moment came when I saw a stat showing that 95% of all breast cancers were incurred by people wearing bras; statins and BP meds were analogous to throwing away your bra to prevent breast cancer. The dots don't connect that way. These covid shots (not vaccines) used the same trick: the end point they sold us was spike antibodies, not surviving the covid flu!
It's an interesting coincidence that you'd mention tetanus here -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7695568/ -- but I have had a similar drop off in trust, although based more on the severity of illnesses than on the efficacy of vaccination.
After the last 2 - 3 years I've become very suspicious just like with COVID-19, the severity of illnesses that we vaccinate against has been massively overstated. So, only around 1% of poliomyelitis infections become paralytic, so it seems like you'd want to know if there is anything distinctive about that 1% of people. Seventy percent of infections experience no symptoms whatsoever. I'd never previously looked into it and I always assumed if somebody got polio they would at best never walk again, so thank god for the vaccine, but looks like the virulence is based very much on the health of the infected person. So am I in that vulnerable group? Who knows? Better get the vaccine just to be safe! And thus a market of 25,000 customers becomes a market of 2,500,000 customers. (Not to mention the spread is fecal-oral / oral-oral vs aerosol for C-19, so there'd be even less reason to vaccinate in the developed world).
Once you've seen how they make the sausage, you're going to assume that applies to every sausage, not just the one they were dumb enough to show you.
"Despite abundant epidemiological evidence of the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines." That sentence in and of itself demonstrates why the vaccinators have taken such a hit to their credibility. Waves of myocarditis and COVID infections in the vaccinated does not look like epidemiological evidence of safety and effectiveness to me. But according to the vaccinators, that's only because I don't have a Ph.D. in epidemiology.
Having said that, the propaganda campaign did have the desired effect on a large portion of the population. We have an elderly parishioner at our church who is well known and regarded. They've been absent for a while due to a COVID infection. We learned this past Sunday that they would soon be returning to Mass, masked of course. The delay in their return was due to the fact that they can't get their COVID booster shot until they are fully recovered from their most recent bout of COVID. Get that? They can't come back to church until they get their COVID booster. But they can't get their COVID booster until they've recovered from the COVID that the previous COVID vaccines didn't protect them from. True belief is hard to overcome.
BIL gets the CV booster last year. Gets shingles. It doesn't let up for months on end; almost 9 in fact. Finally, it turns into neuropathy, which he can manage.
He gets the shingles shot. Because his doctor told him to.
My local librarian, highly beloved in the community, seems to wear an N95 mask even when she's working all alone. This is a tiny community and hours will go by with no patrons. Yeah I've never seen her without a mask. To be fair, she might simply put it on as soon as she hears someone coming in the door. This is in a small library with multiple air filters in a warm climate where the windows can be open a lot of the time.
This whole COVID debacle has scared the crap out of me. I refuse to ever get a flu shot. I got a shingles shot years ago, and my doc said it was “ok” to get the new 2-dose one. Nope, not gonna do that either. My daugher got this new covid booster, WTF?!!!!?
It made me re-think my entire worldview. I used to think anti-vaxxers were nuts. Now that I've seen the vaccinators' tactics in action, and done a little research on the topic, I'm totally with them. It's a fraud, and the evidence is out there in plain sight, but there's too much money in the industry to easily put a stop to it. Likewise with 9-11 'truthers' and a lot of other 'conspiracy theories' I once thought were crazy, but am now giving a second look.
The turnaround hasn't been exactly 180°, may be more like 145°. Because for years I've been skeptical of most all pharmaceuticals. But yes, my entire worldview has been upset. Mostly in terms of who to believe and how much corruption is going on in the world.
The US land border agents are among the unsung heroes of the Canadian travel ban outrage. Did Canadian land border agents reciprocate for American incomers, I wonder? I'd like to think so.
The chief problem this study and others never confront is this: These papers are loaded with citations and support for collateral matters, but there is no citation or support for statements like these:
"Despite COVID-19 vaccination campaigns having led to a sharp decline in infections, hospitalisations and deaths . . . ."
"Despite overwhelming evidence supporting its importance as a key primary prevention measure, immunisation has been the object of controversy and vocal opposition ever since its inception."
Where's the citation to "overwhelming evidence?" Shouldn't be hard if there's so much of it. Where's the evidence showing "vaccination campaigns having led to a sharp decline in infections?" That might alleviate some vaccine hesitancy if it existed.
And, if these campaigns supposedly reduced infections, what's up with that Pfizer lady who just testified that they never studied if vaccines reduce transmissibility?
First, get your story straight, then come back at us with some evidence.
Seriously! Last summer it was clear to me that they severely overplayed their hand and that it would be a fatal error on their side. They would have been better off pretending to respect people’s calls for a longer “wait and see” period. But they couldn’t help themselves. And I don’t fully understand the nature of the error. Did they really think it would only be a tiny fringe who were concerned about safety?? How did they not anticipate that they would force together a smart concerned army of educated people willing to work together?? are they just clumsy and unselfaware and made a terrible error? or did they gamble and lose? Knowing this could happen and do it anyway? I still wonder if it went worse or better than they expected it would?
Last summer it was touch and go whether they would mandate shots for everyone in the UK. I fully expected to end up in a detention camp. Never forget the vitriol and utter contempt for those of us who refused the jab. This time we got lucky - they were not fully organised. Next time I fear they will be ready!
I'm in Oxford, England. I know quite a few people who have had 3 vaccines shots already, but being health middle aged folk they now see a 4th shot as being a step too far . . . reasoning that 3 jabs should have done the job.
Of course there are still some true believers who got the combined flu/Covid shot - and spent a week in bed recovering . . . ah well
Those I know over 65 are totally OK with being human pincushions. They're all obediently lining up for the latest injection. It's bizarre.
One has said no after being vaxx injured; his wife realizes he's vaxx injured but will do whatever her doctor says. I know someone else who is now sickly and keeps getting C0VID, but has not connected it to the jabs. Sad.
Perfect combination of continued scientism and shoveling of the propaganda because they just can't admit wrongdoing, along with mass cognitive dissonance that they are accomplices to mass murder.
If you want to take the vaccine confidence survey and poast your own results, feel free to do it in replies to this pinned comment.
React to each of the following statements on a scale of 1 (“disagree strongly”) to 5 (“agree strongly”):
1. Vaccines are safe.
2. I think vaccines should be a compulsory practice.
3. My healthcare provider (for example my GP) has mine and/or my child’s best interests at heart.
4. I believe if I get vaccinated it would benefit the wellbeing of others.
5. Vaccines are a necessity for our health and wellbeing.
1. LOL
2. LOL
3. LOL
4. LOL
5. LMFAO
Great response, better than mine
My LMFAO was number 3.
LOL!
Yes. Those are the answers
My problem is that the minimum is a "1". It should be zero.
As a computer jock, I wholehearted approve of your demand for zero based indexes. ;)
I actually just went ahead and modified the query for the brief period I was an EMT. "On a scale from zero to ten, with zero being absolutely no pain whatsoever, and ten being absolutely the worst pain you have ever experienced in your life, how would you rate the pain you are currently experiencing."
(To which everyone invariably answers "eight" anyway... ;) Except for the liars who very calmly state that this hangnail is **definitely** a ten. Spoiler alert, if you can answer the question without gasping, crying, or screaming, it's **not** a ten. :p )
(ETA: I forgot the crazy people who will report a broken femur as a two. In case you're wondering, this question is only sort of useful. ;) )
I always say "10" hoping to qualify for the morphine.
You funny.
They use that stupid bloody question here too. To which I always reply: "How am I supposed to know which value is what, without an index?"
That's before going into the subjectivity of it.
So when the doc or nurse starts wheedling for an answer so they can tick a box in the mandated form, I ask them: "Have you ever been stabbed? Have you had a tooth kicked out of your head? Done a 45 minute root canal without any painkiller?"
19 times out of 20, the answer is no.
"So how am I to know that you understand how much a '5' is for me, if I rate a stab wound to the lower arm as a '4'?"
The inevitable reply: "Well, we must put something in the form so just pick anumber and we can move on".
Something is very wrong with health care after globalisation started in the 1990s.
Agreed, the notion of 'you have to fill in this box' is always awkward. No matter how much you start with "just fill it in, no one uses it" eventually it turns into "someone uses it" and you get insane data.
I used to work for a company that had "accident prevention techniques" or APTs. All of use, plant to cubicle, had to put in 1 APT into the online system every month, detailing a potential accident danger we saw and how we handled it. Of course, everyone just made something up. Paper cutters with the arm left up were very popular, along with paper towels on the floor of the bathrooms, etc. (You'd think there were 100's of paper cutters in the offices.) Sometimes people made up ridiculous ones to see what they could get away with, that sort of thing.
When managers complained to the safety and HR folks that it was a waste of time and stupid data collection because everyone made things up, the response was always "Oh, we don't use the information, but we want people to be conscious of safety and thinking about it."
Until, that is, about 5 years into the program when it was announced "We have collected 5 years of reports from everyone, and we are putting your info to good work... we will be addressing the top sources of accidents and dangerous situations in a data driven way."
I left the company before all that came to fruition, but I suspect/hope someone pointed out "There are not that many paper cutters in the entire world anymore. People made this shit up because they had to fill in the box every month with something!"
When I’m the patient, I absolutely hate the 1-to-10 pain question.
I always have the latter problem, where invariably the doc doesn’t take me seriously then shortly after says something along the lines of “holy shit why weren’t you in here sooner!?” I would love to see data and possibly video of people describing the pain level for the same injury just so I could calibrate :)
cabystander ,you are so generous ,for me it can be nothing more that minus 459 F .
Negative numbers should be allowed, just like the COVID vax conferring negative immunity.
. . . but this one goes to 11.
I went from about a 20 to a 5, comparing pre-covid to now.
Great job big pharma, media, politicians and public health!
To clarify, 20 was based entirely on faith in institutions without ever doing any research. 5 is based on having actually done some research and reflecting on how poorly these institutions behaved during covid.
See, I went to EMT school and worked as one for a while, and my ex-wife is a pharmacist, so I'd *done* a fair bit of research, and before all this, I'd have still given a 20. But they have *really* blown a lot of credibility of late.
If I had done research prior to covid, I would have still been close to 20. Most research overwhelmingly supports the safety and efficacy of vaccine programs. Covid needed to happen to recognize problems with "consensus science" and the financial incentives warping research. Seeing how right RFK was on covid puts his prior research on vaccines in general in a much higher standing.
Really?? we now have 1 in 40 children on the autism spectrum, and in 5 years the CDC projects 1 in 25?? Are you even looking or thinking? WTF is causing this? I haven't had a vaxx since I was a child, I'm 59. I did have 3 dTPA (for tetanus bc I'm a carpenter) WITHIN 5 YEARS because my dumbass Doc didn't keep records that you only need one every 10 years. I am totally repulsed by doctors/dentists/attorneys professionals who you thought you could trust. I know about 10% really give a damn like everything else. 90/10 rule...10% of ppl do all of the good work. You need to decide if they're narcissists or not, if they are, you need to move on to another.
I'm with you.
"Concensus" is not science.
I came into this having learned to critically evaluate scientific studies in the context of nutrition, whose science is generally abysmal, because it's mostly epidemiological. If you learn even a few of the basic statistical manipulations that are typically used, in addition to becoming aware of financial incentives, all of a sudden consensus becomes a lot less compelling.
With even the kangarooish vaccine court in the US awarding vaccine damages to several children who developed autism related to vaccination, how can you say that?
and then the high rate of Guilane Bare syndrome, that even the CDC says is undercounted, really?
The vast majority of scientific literature says they are good.
Safe and effective relies not on battling criticism from people like RFK Jr, but by convincing people to not even view that type of material.
Totally agree..everything has changed now. Vaccines have been very dangerous since the childhood schedule jumped from 8 to 40+..or whatever ridiculous amount it is now...
I disagree strongly with all of it. I’m starting to think all vaccines might be a problem—mainly because I no longer trust the vaccine dispensers to just injure or kill a “small” number of us as they see fit.
Let's just go with 0.
I'd like to see a scale using negative numbers.
Eugyppius, one problem with this UK survey is the way the statements are worded. For example, #1 "Vaccines are safe." Is that ALL vaccines? What if I consider some to be safe, and some not? Or what if the respondent doesn't consider the Covid shot to be a "vaccine" but that other real vaccines are generally safe, can they then confidently give a score of 5 to Question 1?
Indeed, the survey measures “vaccine confidence” as defined by the WHO, and here “confidence” is what you might call a euphemism for “compliance.” They are vaccinator ideologues who want compliance with all officially recommended vaccine schedules, so they word the survey accordingly, to measure this. You’re not supposed to ask which vaccine (still less question whether a given product is a vaccine) - if you do that, it lowers your score! Too much thinking without permission.
This is touching on an amusing phenomenon from much wording used in 'public health' messages.
If the fish hook is baited with one-syllable words, 3-word sentences, one cannot help but ask what type of fish they're aiming to entrap.
Bonus patronizing dash is when there are parentheses after a particularly challenging term:
saliva (sah-LAI-vah, -- your 'spit').
I collect screenshots of these. They tend to come up as the first line in search results, making my amusement easy.
Yes! (arms folded, nodding superciliously)
Yes but he didn't make the questionnaire, probably worded by a govt official, so, naturally not helpful to us
1) Well that would depend on the vaccine, so meh, 2.
2) Fuck No, 1
3) Meh I don't know, 3.
4) Also depends on the vaccine. 2.
5) Also depends on the vaccine. 2.
10 is about where I am too. pre-pandemic, I would’ve been more around 13-15 I think.
I'm close to this. But I could give 4 or 5 to my PCP. In June 2021 he completely and enthusiastically agreed with my reasoning why I didn't need the covid vaccine: not old and in good health.
1. 1
2. 1
3. 1
4. 1
5. 1
#6 should be; how much confidence do you have in the efficacy of masks?
That would've been -10.
Giving an overall score of -5
Same. Like many other people the antics and dishonesty has moved me from someone who didn't really question vaccines, medicine, public health, thinking that they had our best interests at heart in spite of stuff-ups to someone who now questions the motive behind everything they do. I'd rather not be in this place.
1. I’m at a 2, but still will never allow any vaccines into my body in the future (I haven’t had any since college anyway).
2. 1 - disagree vehemently
3. 2 -- I think he THINKS he has our best interests at heart, but we refuse almost everything he suggests because it’s clearly borne out of his own misguided trust in pharma, various research study claims, and just his willingness to tow the line even though I can tell he questions some of it interiorly at this point.
4. 1 -- this has never been the case and it isn’t the case now.
5. 1 - absolutely not! Clean eating, supplementation, intense physical activity, emotional fortitude, basically -- it comes down to lifestyle.
We’ve always been lifestyle advocates and I think supplements are absolutely essential. It’s not that we NEVER go off the healthy lifestyle reservation -- we do -- but we’re definitely fairly strict about it most of the time.
1. 1
2. 1
3. 1
4. 1
5. 1
To be perfectly honest;
1. (3) A number of vaccines are safe for most people. I wouldn't include COVID vaccines as safe.
2. (1) If a vaccine protects the vaccinated then the vaccine status of others is irrelevant. Same thing if vaccines are ineffective.
3. (4) Yes she does. But that is only because I pay a monthly concierge fee to get a doctor who is enough of a contrarian that she is unemployable in a major medical practice that relies on insurance.
4. (1) No, see the answer to number 2.
5. (2) They can be helpful, but I think modern hygiene and sanitation has done more to eliminate disease than vaccines have.
I would answer (1) pretty much across the board on these questions. That said, I find your answers thoughtful. One point I would love to discuss, albeit that this is not necessarily the correct forum. Questions 2 and 4 seem based upon long-held premises of "public health." That is, they are taught and believed, even by those who decry the misuse of vaccination during the Great Covid Dumpster Fire. The childhood vaccination schedule seems based upon the necessity of the majority of people being vaccinated! I am certainly not an epidemiologist, but if vaccination protects the recipient--like some sort of invisible shield--that should not be the case. What am I missing?
"Great Covid Dumpster Fire". (giggle)
See, even these questions are poorly written.
#1: "Do you mean the not-really tested Coof Jab, or something with lots and lots of data behind it, like TDAP?" My opinion on *most* vaccines has not changed. I do not *now* have a negative opinion of the concept of vaccination in general.
So for the Coof, it's "N/A" because I lack sufficient data to evaluate it. For just about anything else, it'd be a 5.
#2: 1 (That's not something that changed, I'd have been opposed to it in 2019, had it come up.)
#3: Again N/A, I don't have a GP. I do feel that the vast majority of the doctors I deal with regularly actually *do* have my best interests in mind, but they are also nearly exclusively mental health professionals whom I have previously vetted for that problem. Not all of my prior practitioners in that area quite qualified. So, for *them*, they get a 5.
#4: Well **NOT ANYMORE**, given what we've learned about the lies regarding transmission and the Coof Jab. For stuff like smallpox or measles, I am operating on the notion that those vaccines actually *do* prevent infection and therefore transmission. So, again, this is either a 1 or a 5, depending on what specific thing is being queried.
#5: I'll give this one a 4, even now. The Coof Jab seems to have been a wash at best and actively harmful at worst, but I have definitely significantly benefited in the past from being vaccinated against various illnesses. I spend a *lot* of my hobby time playing with **extraordinarily** rusty cars, so I just go ahead and get a TDAP around every birthday that is evenly divisible by 5. It's worth it for the peace of mind if nothing else, and I've gotten sufficiently used to them that they don't really even bother me any longer. ;)
This is why I hate surveys, their questions invariably suck regarding context and specificity.
1 for all answers, “disagree strongly”. And maybe even -156, it’s quite a strong feeling of disagreement.
1. 3 (It depends on the vaccine.)
2. 1 (Nope, no coercion. If it's so good, you should be able to convince people to take it of their own free will. And if you can't convince them, then you have to respect their choice.)
3. 2 (Tough to answer, given that I don't have a GP. I tried to register with a GP, they kept me on their waiting list for well over two months, then they invited me to register *provided* I was juiced up, and when I told them I wasn't, I was no longer welcome. That was a few months ago, in the summer. I don't believe doctors are actively trying to kill me, but they're more interested in showing me who's the boss than they are in improving my health, and overall, my confidence in the medical profession, never that high to begin with, has reached a record low.)
4. 3 (It depends on the vaccine. Generally true for sterilizing vaccines, but false for leaky vaccines. In fact, getting vaxxed with a leaky vaccine is likely to harm others by creating escape variants.)
5. 2 ("Necessity?" Some of them are pretty useful. Humanity survived without them for millennia, though.)
Re #5: Yeah... but the average life expectancy was a *lot* lower, too.
I'm very happy for things like TDAP, MMR, Hepatitus, Shingles, and so forth, just as I'm very happy for basic antibiotics and a lot of other basic medicine, particularly compared to 500 or even 100 years ago. But even as someone who is admittedly predisposed to be positive towards the medical field, my trust in it is *shot*, these days.
"I'm not nearly as angry about the fact that you lied to me as the fact that in the future I can't trust what you say" would probably pretty accurately describe my position regarding the medical field at this point. :-/
Re #5: Much or most of the lower average life expectancy was due to infant or childhood mortality, which was high. I'm not sure how much of that was a matter of vaccines, as opposed to other factors.
Much of the rest of it probably comes down to better default sanitation, nutrition, and, in the countries that get cold in the winter, artificial heating. The latter factor is apparently to be tested in Europe this year.
1. 2 I used to think they were but now I don't know
2. 1 Nothing medical should be compulsory
3. 1 Don't believe any GP gives much of a toss about patients (based on how my long dead parents were treated)
4. 1 Rubbish. Get a vaccination to protect yourself. If you want to.
5. 1 Rubbish. Clean water and good sanitation are better.
The scale isn't low enough. So:
They aren't; of course they shouldn't: I don't have a GP; how on earth can it impact upon anyone else? (except my partner if I'm injured); NO NO NO.
Wondering what the results of the poll would be if they included the 20,000 people who were killed by the vaccines? The stupidity of these people is truly astonishing to witness.
My sentiments exactly. Exhibit One: this statement from the report, "abundant epidemiological evidence of the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines..." Look, I ain't no epidemiologist, but that is, in scientific terms, complete horseshit.
Well apparently the public is stupid too. They would've eaten a shit sandwich with boogers on top if they were told it would protect them from the coof.
There are a good number of generations of individuals who have been trained from birth to blindly follow authority. Every now & then, we have an opportunity to relearn the lessons we've forgotten. This is one of those times. Are there a lot of sheep? For sure. Should the wolves be able to slaughter them indiscriminately? Absolutely not.
Absolutely true, Joseph Carroll. Indeed, the U.S. educational system is based directly upon training a populace that values conformity and obedience as a sign of civic duty. The architects of that system wanted it that way, ergo, it is not a bug, but a feature.
Agree
This issue was covered by South Park years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8oNaVHUHw
Like. Very funny and accurate
You'd get a lot of 'Didn't Respond' in that poll.
Well those people will be voting Dem tonight. They're just "resting" after all.
Maybe that was the strategy with the death shots?
Talk about harvesting...
My grandfather voted Republican his entire life. He now votes Democrat.
What?!
Why?
Pardon my humor. He is dead.
Oh shit. My bad. But funny.
I didn't get that you were making a joke based on mine.
I wasn't sure people would get it.
Ahhhh!! Like in Cuomo's New York, I get it!!
Cause he was automatically registered as a Democrat upon presentation of a valid Death Certificate.
Lol!
He's been captured by them, how sad.
The vaccine safety signal requires that anyone conducting such a poll should be immediately removed from any position of authority. And, if they were complicit in the coercion that created the genocide, to be arrested, tried and imprisoned for life.
Yer gonna ghostwhisper them?
"Despite abundant epidemiological evidence of the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines,..."
LOL, LOL!
It's either heavy sarcasm, writing something they were forced to to get published,
or I have no idea.
Yeah, where is that evidence? I’m curious.
Well, if you ask The True Believers, billions have been vaxxed and they have not died or died of C0VID, so it's all good. Total success. Except for the idiots not getting injected.
As for those cancer deaths in the US that they're "reassigning" to other categories, nothing to see here.
/sarc
Actually a Brazilian people were saved due to the vax and some were even raised from the dead!
Even safer and effectiver!
and so many people with aggressive deadly cases of cancer or clots
The more you say it the truer it becomes apparently
The last couple of years have made me exceedingly sensitive to adjectives.
The last couple of years has made me exceedingly sensitive to adjectives.
My confidence in conventional vaccines has certainly taken a big hit in the last couple of years. I was happy to get the tetanus booster four years ago. Now, after seeing the immense amount of Big Pharma fraud around the mRNA jabs, and becoming aware of the huge fines they've paid before that, I have started to doubt the efficacy and safety of earlier vaccines that I had previously trusted. I'm not sure where to go with this doubt. I fear I may have to dive into a huge rabbit hole that is opening in front of me now.
Yeah, me too. I’m wondering now like how many drugs actually work? I mean like, not just get some numbers on a chart to go up or down, but like help your actual life expectancy and shit? I stroll around the old cemeteries in Vermont and there’s a ton of old people there. And people were breathing coal dust and cutting marble by hand. How did they survive disease without medicine? Maybe it’s all a scam.
You can look at the Number Needed to Treat figures for any med that you have a question about to get a rough idea. If it's a good NNT, like 15, then only 14 people are toxifying their body and suffering side effects unnecessarily so that one person has the desired outcome. Something like Statins for preventing heart attack has an NNT of 217. With 1 in 15 people experiencing uncomfortable side effects. Have fun with that.
So if someone's prescribing Statins to their patients, confidence score 2.
Didn’t somebody put out a NNT for the Covid shots? I think it was in the 1000s…
I wonder if that might have contributed to Japan's longevity, because the midwives there had a tradition of leaving the baby laying on the cold floor overnight, and if it survived, it was a good one.....
Exactly in your situation. Never doubted medical progress before, but am now questioning anything that hasn’t been around for ages, like aspirin.
Even aspirin !
Same here
Same for me. I used to get the flu shot every year. Not now, never again. I’m torn on the Tetanus shot though. Maybe if I can get the strait tetanus shot and not the tdap.
Everything's a cocktail
Keep in mind that there has never been a death from tetanus in recent history. Dr. Carrie Madej talked about that in an interview I saw. She was researching the tetanus vaccine and that’s what she found. The only wounds that are even a possible risk for it are deep puncture wounds, because the bacteria is anaerobic. So if oxygen can get to it, it can’t survive.
just get the anti-tax if you step on a nail or something
I've had borderline high blood pressure since I was 17 yrs old (still 130/90 -ish regularly). I read the studies on all the recommended medications and found that they lowered blood pressure, but all-cause mortality remained unchanged or got worse! My 'aha' moment came when I saw a stat showing that 95% of all breast cancers were incurred by people wearing bras; statins and BP meds were analogous to throwing away your bra to prevent breast cancer. The dots don't connect that way. These covid shots (not vaccines) used the same trick: the end point they sold us was spike antibodies, not surviving the covid flu!
It's an interesting coincidence that you'd mention tetanus here -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7695568/ -- but I have had a similar drop off in trust, although based more on the severity of illnesses than on the efficacy of vaccination.
After the last 2 - 3 years I've become very suspicious just like with COVID-19, the severity of illnesses that we vaccinate against has been massively overstated. So, only around 1% of poliomyelitis infections become paralytic, so it seems like you'd want to know if there is anything distinctive about that 1% of people. Seventy percent of infections experience no symptoms whatsoever. I'd never previously looked into it and I always assumed if somebody got polio they would at best never walk again, so thank god for the vaccine, but looks like the virulence is based very much on the health of the infected person. So am I in that vulnerable group? Who knows? Better get the vaccine just to be safe! And thus a market of 25,000 customers becomes a market of 2,500,000 customers. (Not to mention the spread is fecal-oral / oral-oral vs aerosol for C-19, so there'd be even less reason to vaccinate in the developed world).
Once you've seen how they make the sausage, you're going to assume that applies to every sausage, not just the one they were dumb enough to show you.
If you get tetanus, which is pretty rare, you can get the anti-tox.
"Despite abundant epidemiological evidence of the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines." That sentence in and of itself demonstrates why the vaccinators have taken such a hit to their credibility. Waves of myocarditis and COVID infections in the vaccinated does not look like epidemiological evidence of safety and effectiveness to me. But according to the vaccinators, that's only because I don't have a Ph.D. in epidemiology.
Having said that, the propaganda campaign did have the desired effect on a large portion of the population. We have an elderly parishioner at our church who is well known and regarded. They've been absent for a while due to a COVID infection. We learned this past Sunday that they would soon be returning to Mass, masked of course. The delay in their return was due to the fact that they can't get their COVID booster shot until they are fully recovered from their most recent bout of COVID. Get that? They can't come back to church until they get their COVID booster. But they can't get their COVID booster until they've recovered from the COVID that the previous COVID vaccines didn't protect them from. True belief is hard to overcome.
Here's my injection story.
BIL gets the CV booster last year. Gets shingles. It doesn't let up for months on end; almost 9 in fact. Finally, it turns into neuropathy, which he can manage.
He gets the shingles shot. Because his doctor told him to.
Of course.
that's clearly a doctor to avoid
My local librarian, highly beloved in the community, seems to wear an N95 mask even when she's working all alone. This is a tiny community and hours will go by with no patrons. Yeah I've never seen her without a mask. To be fair, she might simply put it on as soon as she hears someone coming in the door. This is in a small library with multiple air filters in a warm climate where the windows can be open a lot of the time.
I might try sneaking in silently as a test…
that's awful. they're doomed, poor things
“Paradoxically, stalkers have a lower chance of getting laid.”
Who’d a thunk it?!!!!
great comment lol
This whole COVID debacle has scared the crap out of me. I refuse to ever get a flu shot. I got a shingles shot years ago, and my doc said it was “ok” to get the new 2-dose one. Nope, not gonna do that either. My daugher got this new covid booster, WTF?!!!!?
It made me re-think my entire worldview. I used to think anti-vaxxers were nuts. Now that I've seen the vaccinators' tactics in action, and done a little research on the topic, I'm totally with them. It's a fraud, and the evidence is out there in plain sight, but there's too much money in the industry to easily put a stop to it. Likewise with 9-11 'truthers' and a lot of other 'conspiracy theories' I once thought were crazy, but am now giving a second look.
The turnaround hasn't been exactly 180°, may be more like 145°. Because for years I've been skeptical of most all pharmaceuticals. But yes, my entire worldview has been upset. Mostly in terms of who to believe and how much corruption is going on in the world.
My healthcare provider (for example my GP) has mine and/or my child’s best interests at heart.
hahahah PMFSL. best interests at HEART...
Thanks for prompting me to learn yet another Internet acronym.
subscribe to learn even more ;)
"Good job retards."
Classic. LMFAO.
My favorite part
Canada, yea like we only recently got the "right" to board airplanes and trains.
Still can't legally visit the USA. But I heard the land border agents don't care...?
And in today's news there is a shortage of pediatric amoxicillin.
The US land border agents are among the unsung heroes of the Canadian travel ban outrage. Did Canadian land border agents reciprocate for American incomers, I wonder? I'd like to think so.
No, our agents were Nazis
Paradoxically unpopular. Truly a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
That sounds almost ready to deliver via suppository.
The chief problem this study and others never confront is this: These papers are loaded with citations and support for collateral matters, but there is no citation or support for statements like these:
"Despite COVID-19 vaccination campaigns having led to a sharp decline in infections, hospitalisations and deaths . . . ."
"Despite overwhelming evidence supporting its importance as a key primary prevention measure, immunisation has been the object of controversy and vocal opposition ever since its inception."
Where's the citation to "overwhelming evidence?" Shouldn't be hard if there's so much of it. Where's the evidence showing "vaccination campaigns having led to a sharp decline in infections?" That might alleviate some vaccine hesitancy if it existed.
And, if these campaigns supposedly reduced infections, what's up with that Pfizer lady who just testified that they never studied if vaccines reduce transmissibility?
First, get your story straight, then come back at us with some evidence.
i mean i just ignore statements like these
They don’t need no stinking evidence, they got degrees.
In Journalism.
Because they're generally preaching to the choir, they're not questioned. Anyone who questions to them is perforce a wingnut.
Seriously! Last summer it was clear to me that they severely overplayed their hand and that it would be a fatal error on their side. They would have been better off pretending to respect people’s calls for a longer “wait and see” period. But they couldn’t help themselves. And I don’t fully understand the nature of the error. Did they really think it would only be a tiny fringe who were concerned about safety?? How did they not anticipate that they would force together a smart concerned army of educated people willing to work together?? are they just clumsy and unselfaware and made a terrible error? or did they gamble and lose? Knowing this could happen and do it anyway? I still wonder if it went worse or better than they expected it would?
Last summer it was touch and go whether they would mandate shots for everyone in the UK. I fully expected to end up in a detention camp. Never forget the vitriol and utter contempt for those of us who refused the jab. This time we got lucky - they were not fully organised. Next time I fear they will be ready!
Totally agree. It’s why we have to fight like hell NOW and for the foreseeable future!!
So will we, my friend.
Our governor in NY Horrible Hochul, has pushed through new quarantine powers for herself.
They thought they had us better trained than we were
I'm in Oxford, England. I know quite a few people who have had 3 vaccines shots already, but being health middle aged folk they now see a 4th shot as being a step too far . . . reasoning that 3 jabs should have done the job.
Of course there are still some true believers who got the combined flu/Covid shot - and spent a week in bed recovering . . . ah well
Those I know over 65 are totally OK with being human pincushions. They're all obediently lining up for the latest injection. It's bizarre.
One has said no after being vaxx injured; his wife realizes he's vaxx injured but will do whatever her doctor says. I know someone else who is now sickly and keeps getting C0VID, but has not connected it to the jabs. Sad.
Perfect combination of continued scientism and shoveling of the propaganda because they just can't admit wrongdoing, along with mass cognitive dissonance that they are accomplices to mass murder.
Over Here, we like the sound of "deranged and imprudent"...