“Where’s the vaccine mandate they promised us?” whines Daniel Brössler, reporter for the Süddeutsche Zeitung, disappointed because yesterday’s Corona summit of German minister presidents returned nothing but some adjustments to quarantine and sharpened testing rules.
I see an email announcing a post from you. I am at my desk. I close my email - bring out my coffee, my portable device and lay back on the couch to read
Your posts are like fine wine. They need to be enjoyed in the right context.
A light in the darkness. You brightened up the anxiety and vague depression I had since July, when my former friends refused to come to their birthday party because I am not jabbed. Now I can breathe freely again. We will get through this. Thank you.
Now that there is a light in the COVID tunnel, maybe you should consider spreading your writing talent in other areas to help fight the emerging WORLD COMMUNISM practices in western society?
Ha yes. He has a way of making me feel dumb but not mad. English is my first language too and I can’t accept that it’s Eupyppius’s second.
I think I can tell that his first language is German because of the way he uses the word ‘ stupid’.
English native speakers use idiotic, dumb etc etc in place of ‘stupid’ but German speakers using English will not interchange anything with ‘stupid’ and when they say it in English they really mean it
I'm sure you are correct about the progression of the disease. However, based on interactions with family and friends I think your statement "everyone will have personal experience with Corona infection, whether or not they are vaccinated. This will destroy popular faith measures, it will erode their confidence in the vaccines, and it will do away with their fear of the virus." is too optimistic. Most people I know who are vaccinated and then got infected (I know many people like that) firmly believe that the vaccine is what allowed them to weather the infection. They are convinced that if they hadn't been vaccinated they would have been hospitalized and likely died. I don't know what, if anything, will convince them that they've been fooled.
Yes. It's true. My greatest intellectual opponent and close friend who has been triple vaxxed and awaiting (with nail biting anticipation,) for the fourth has contracted the virus and is really, really struggling. I know she is very ill. She has told everyone but me. I imagine there will be a lot of soul searching for these people. What they were promised, what their invisible shield of protection they thought they had, will come into question at some stage. Sure, they may argue it could have been much, much worse had they not had the jabs but they are staring to question what it was all for. And this is where the narrative falls and the fear-porner begin to walk backwards. No normal or sane person wishes ill will on anyone but I believe the 'shut up and do as you're told, or else...' brigade will find this latest variant an inconvenience to their doomsday narrative.
It's becoming impossible for even most ovine sheep to ignore. The UK government's OWN figures for December show 2.5x as many vaxxed patients in hospitals dying from Covid compared to unvaxxed.
You lost me at 'The Guardian.' Not a reputable - or even remotely - independent 'news' source. People stopped taking that rag seriously over a decade ago. I think, tragically, those who run the show underestimate people's intelligence, critical thinking skills and their ability to smell/call BS. The vaccines undoubtedly may have been better received had they been targeted at the audience for which the greatest threat (elderly, pr-existing conditions, etc) existed but the need to target 5 year olds in addition to insisting on paper masks, lockdowns and other nonsensical measures have resulted in a distrust that the MSM/big pharma/ big tech players will find hard rewind and manage. Consider also disproportionate over-reach that trampled on laws, freedoms and the humanely innate desire for public discourse and debate. The carrot has always more powerful than the stick. Always. If the intention was to Build Back Better, you need the general public on your side and history has shown that the way to do this is through keeping the public satisfied. Fear-mongering, terrifying and coercing the public into accepting a narrative by eliminating anything that challenges the narrative will eventually fail. People have brains. No one is taking anything away from the vaccines but the manner in which they were initially promoted to the manner in which they are now being mandated across entire age groups, despite their inability to infect, is making people question the logic. It is really that simple.
I'm no regular reader of any of the "legacy media." Most often I will read about the latest ludicrous propaganda from what was long ago, or even just a decade or two back, a reputable periodical. Sometimes if no paywall, I may read the actual article, often witnessing just how vacuous it really was. What's happened is that progressives, "woke," or Cultural Marxists, call them what you like, have "captured" many traditional media. Sometimes these are kept alive by rich donors. I guess it's prestigious to be a social activist billionaire endowing what is basically garbage propaganda, often providing cushy salaries to second-rate writers who in a saner era would have been lucky to have found employment as high school English teachers. Even special interest magazines, Scientific American or even the medical journals, have fallen victim. Perhaps not all of their product is worthless, but in the old days, did specialist periodicals dabble in politics and moulding public opinion?
Two things. Firstly, why on earth would you trust a figure of 90.0% having at least one shot of genetic modification? Secondly, why on earth would you ever trust a lying left leaning journal call The Guardian for anything other that "follow the narrative". In any war, and this is warfare, the first casualty is the truth. Just follow the money to find out who has the greatest "love of money" -- "root of all evil" in this world and who would do anything to pursue their greatest 'love'!
A person subjecting themselves to three of these abominable injections will absolutely fold for the fourth and the fifth. Their protestations of no more are just lies to themselves.
Another thing is coming. Virtually everyone will have to admit, at least to themselves, that they know someone who was injured or died from the vaccine, or someone related to someone, friend of friend etc. Now including the limo-commie pricks at the NY Slimes.
i've experienced the same thing, and this is of course anecdotal, but i'm also starting to hear the opposite. a very "liberal/progressive" family friend just said the other day "i'm not taking anymore shots, they don't work and i already caught covid despite being vaxxed".
Yes. Some have already had enough and they are not indoctrinated or as loyal to the party as others. It will take a certain mass for the architects to back down but they may just create another crisis. If they do even more people will be reluctant to fall for it initially.
A republican former friend anounced 2 weeks ago how she was so proud she and her family got their third shot. They might be the exceptions, but I don't think this stops on party lines. I can tell one thing for sure though, I am not voting dems again. If the reps have no good candidate I will write one I think will do. If we can all do this for a good candidate, we might have a non partisan president.
The present occupant of the Oval Office is a semi-living proof that the Presidency does not matter.
It might become relevant at some point when the populace realises that the old regime must go *and* the old regime is already weak and rotten enough not to be able to mount a defence.
We are not at that point, yet. Until then voting is a waste of energy
I think politicians are useless. They are all the same, filling their pockets. In all this mess, exactly one politician has stood up for the people, and that is senator Johnson. He invited doctors and vaxx harmed people to the studio but this was on election day... no one paid any attention. All the rest keeps quiet.
Everyone I know who has gotten the shots just keeps saying how they believe that “at least it reduces symptoms”. I am so sick and tired of hearing that. How do they know?! I think they have to believe that, to help them justify in their mind their decision to be jabbed.
Reduces the symptoms so they're not sick enough to stay home and limit contacts, but will go about their life as normal while infecting others. Not good.
And the narrative switched already from "the vaccine will protect you from getting Covid" to "you have to get vaccinated so that the ICUs are not overcrowded".
Already Merkel a few months ago did not blame the unvaccinated for being infectious, but for keeping the hospital beds full and preventing none-Covid patients to be treated. She made a big effort to scapegoat the unvaccinated.
However, even this narrative is harder and harder to keep going, as more and more people don't want to get the latest booster, and also that every Covid patient they know is already triple vaccinated.
And in about three months the flu season will be over and no one will get sick, at least not the unvaccinated. (Who knows the effects of the vaccine in the long run).
Makes sense. You can't be overwhelmed by covid cases if you have enough beds for all the covid cases, therefore, reduce the number of beds so people will actually, physically see that you are truly overwhelmed and can rightly so, tell others of that fact.
At what point did ICU/ITU become ornamental, not to be used except on high days and holidays like the parlour of our Victorian grandparents?
Can you imagine an airline boss complaint his planes were near capacity or full or overbooked? But of course at certain times of the year passenger numbers go up, and this can be anticipated and extra planes brought into service.
We know that EVERY Winter hospitals fill up with respiratory tract disease patients - wouldn’t it be a great idea if hospitals could anticipate this and bring extra resources to bear? Maybe we should let the airlines run the hospitals.
My father used to comment on such things with this little nugget, him being a life-long member of our armed forces. This was when we had conscription on the books, by the way.
"Every year a certain number of boys are born, and the year they come of age they are tested for conscription, so we have eighteen years advance warning. The average politician being in charge of communal kindergartens and pre-schools has access to the same birth-data we do, yet every year there is either too many free spots, or to few. Think about that if you want to understand public service."
That's not him arguing for military to run things, but for people who actually can run things, to run things - not politicians nor politruks.
Your average warehouse worker would do a better job than a politically appointed health care official, because the warehouse worker would start by asking the doctors: "What's the workflow? What do you need to keep everything running?"
Be mindful that politicians are unemployable in the private, competitive sector and being a warehouse worker would be too much of an intellectual challenge for them. No disrespect to warehouse workers who contribute far more to our economy and wellbeing than the political class ever could.
I live in OR. And we have the lowest number of hospitals and beds per capita, for all 50 states. I live in a county of about 250k people. Our ICU’s are almost always crowded even before Covid due to the states grip on medical and Hospital licensing. They’ve been blowing it for the last 70 years or more.
Anyway, my county alone lost 700 medical staff due to refusal to get the poke. No retirement, no unemployment or any help. These are educated medical professionals that are not anti Vac. they just don’t want to participate in the “experiment”. If I were in a position of responsibility in the Gov. making the rules, I think I would be asking these educated medical pros why they don’t want to participate. They obviously are informed. Could it be their experiences with the Vac that we seem to have a problem getting the correct and complete numbers for deaths and side effects? So now, some medical facilities are calling up asking them back. That’s not going very well. Most of the civil unrest around the Covid is the irresponsibility from our Gov.s. It’s going to be interesting watching these cases go through the courts. I think there’s a reckoning coming. I hope!
I think if all those that are in the know would stand up, and no one take the jabs, we would be surprised HOW many they are. If they were just not so afraid !
I thought hospitals were for profit. They’ll keep converting beds until the cows come home with all the $$$$$ they’ll be rolling in. Overburdened, my ass.
Not in the UK. The NHS is free at point of delivery. Hospitals are a cost and therefore the fewer beds, the fewer staff, the fewer people using them the better.
The ‘flatten the curve’ and all the other propaganda has been to hide (unsuccessfully as it turned out) the fact that whilst life expectancy keeps going up and an ageing population living longer needs more beds, progressively bed capacity and staffing levels have been reduced over the last thirty to forty years because the cost to the State is too high and cannot be maintained at a level to provide the promised service.
During the ‘crisis’ in March 2020, temporary hospitals were set up to deal with the anticipated non-arriving deluge, but were not used and after a few weeks closed. It was window-dressing because there was not enough leducal abd nursing staff to operate them.
6 million on waiting lists for hospital treatment in the UK, set to double by next year. But it’s ‘free’ so don’t complain.
Germany just announced it's doing the opposite. Shortening quarantine, especially for key workers, because otherwise the country would cease to function.
Medically totally ridiculous, of course.
And kudos to the virus that it can distinguish between key workers and the plebs...
The problem for Mutti et al, is their reasoning is only viable if the vaccines are sterilising so that only unvaccinated can develop disease. The unvaccinated bed-blocker argument resists logic when 80% plus of population is vaccinated because the unvaccinated cohort is comparatively so few in number that the probability is there are insufficient susceptible to the virus AND become hospital cases. The probability is the more numerous vaccinated group will provide the majority of hospital cases and deaths. And indeed that is what the data is showing.
In the UK, the Office for National Statistics estimates 95% immunity (either from vaccine or exposure) in the population. That is about as high immunity for anything can get in a population. With such a high level the number of new infections, therefore hospital cases and deaths should be approaching zero and occasional. Yet the opposite is true. It is an uncontrollable virus just like all the other respiratory viruses - we have known this for decades.
That for me has been one of the most galling things about the hysteria: we have to lose our freedoms, health and livelihood just so some vaxx-pushing doc does have to work too hard.
Let’s just all hope that the significantly increasing all cause mortality numbers (behind curtain 3) are just a short term “coincidence” (like all the vax related/caused deaths). I’ll become optimistic when MSM ceases to exist
Here in Florida using 2019 as a baseline, 2020 deaths up about 14%; 2021 deaths up by ~23%. Figures reduced slightly to account for ~1% annual population growth. People are moving here, but I doubt that explains the jumps.
In Belgium a doctor of an Antwerp large hospital said on regional TV, that the whole ICU was filled with vaxxers. Not one unvaxxed in there. National TV did not hear that of course
In Belgium, it’s just at half. Interestingly the % vaxxed in ICU declined, possibly due to the short-term benefits of the booster against the Delta surge that ended before Xmas.
How do they count vaxxed? I've seen the unboostered lumped in with the unvaccinated. Even when the first 2 vaxxes were recent and should still be working. Theoretically.
There is no fixed definition of what ‘vaccinated’ or ‘fully vaccinated’ is - it is whatever the lunatics in charge say it is on the day, and what means ‘fully vaccinated ‘ in one Country may mean something else in another. You might depart the UK fully vaccinated, but when you are due to return you may no longer be fully vaccinated. Good innit?
I wondered that. But the Belgian health statistics agency does not seem to be doing that...yet. So far, they still use the term "fully immunized" [sic.] for 2 doses, and "refresher shot" for boosted.
Supposed benefit of vaccination us to prevent you getting as far as ITU - once you are there you are toast, particularly if they put you on a ventilator.
It will take some mid level people who support mandates switching over for some people to realize they have been lied to. Some will never accept it. MSM is a powerful force for propaganda. It is amazing how little of the data, and facts that some people know who consider themselves to be well informed.
What is significant is that they were publicly embarrassed. They know the correct figures now thanks to the highly visible "spanking" they have received. It will be interesting to see what they finally decide.
Agree 100%. I'm sure MSM will find a way to pretend they spoke the truth all along...and at this stage I'll take anything to stop the prison state mandates and madness towards the purebloods!
The five stages is very apt. Everyone I know is getting infected. At first they would speak in hushed tones as if their God was listening. "I am thrice vaxxed and I STILL caught it." Then they seemed to draw a distinction as if it was OK to have caught it from someone vaxxed but unacceptable to have caught it from someone unvaxxed. Now we seem to be transitioning to acceptance that it is all bullshit and it was all for naught.
Also, how quickly will the powers that be let go of a campaign yielding historically obscene levels profits and power? Massive incentives all aligned in favor of vaccines and restrictions.
That’s my concern too. They didn’t just get lucky. They had the money and power to create a campaign of mass hysteria and I doubt they’re satisfied yet.
Yes, no doubt they have a lot more planned there are secret experiments going on now. Has anyone else wandered over to orwell.city lately? What they are seeing in a drop of dried vaccine liquid (Pfizer) looks to be nano-sized self-assemblying electonic circuits. I'm not exaggerating. Its very alarming and depressing. To think that humans are just toys to experiment on. Here is the first one I watched where Ricardo Delgado is understandably upset. Normally he's pretty unemotional. https://www.orwell.city/2022/01/microtechnology.html
It is akin to religion for some at the point. I have a friend who had covid pre-vaccines and was mildly ill, had 2 shots, caught covid again and was mildly ill. But then went on about how grateful they were for the vaccines, as if they made a difference.
What I am observing is that they feel the vaccine prevented them from severe illness and angrily blaming the unvaxed for the new variant. Lots of anger right now towards the unvaxed.
Exactly. It's definitely displacement. But the more direct question they are forestalling is why they fell for the greatest bout of hysteria in human history when all the information they needed to see through it was a finger tip away on the internet? Angry noises against us also postpones the day when they have to think about the long term consequences of their choice.
Yes, I've had similar experiences - all thankful that they had the vax since it meant only mild symptoms. And all believe they're working regardless of the crazy transmission rates which seem to favour the vaxxed. I question my sanity!
The logical end of that kind of thinking is that when jabbed people die of Covid, as is happening a lot, they will be able to say that they would have been even deader without the clot shot.
Agree. I am vaccine free and just finished omicron with no more than a headache but I am apparently “lucky” because they know some people who got really really sick.
> Most people I know who are vaccinated and then got infected (I know many people like that) firmly believe that the vaccine is what allowed them to weather the infection.
I think it depends on whether they thought they were getting sterilising immunity. Most people probably think the vaccines give lifelong sterilising immunity, because that's how most vaccines work. People - again, this is probably most people, I suspect - who think this and get infected anyway will be annoyed. These people are probably not loyal to a party line, they're just assuming these vaccines work like every other vaccine they've ever gotten.
By contrast, these people you know who think "I got infected but thanks to my vaccination I survived" are people who are loyal to the official party line, because the official party line, for now at least, is that vaccines don't prevent transmission, but they do reduce severity.
The main reason to get vaccinated, promoted heavily, was to protect granny. Vaccination rather than being about personal protection, became a civic duty. For the first time in history medical staff are being obliged to be vaccinated not to protect themselves from diseases carried by patients, but to protect patients from them.
I think the fact that vaccinated are just as likely to transmit as unvaccinated - a fact, ironically, now being promoted to justify mask mandates for all - is most likely to bring home to folks the absurdity, not least dishonesty, of what they have been told and railroaded into doing. It is particularly fuelling resistance to vaccine passports as they can be no guarantee the the holder will not transmit the virus, so what is their public health benefit?
In fact even with passes, in some places masks are still required plus negative tests. The absurdity is inescapable for all except the most obdurate.
I am furious about all these vaccinated hypocrites, who've been KNOWINGLY taking flights all over Europe in the last few weeks while sick with Omicron. Because the triple vaxxed don't need to present a negative test on certain flights. And I'm not even counting the ones that are driving across Europe because for their particular flight they needed a negative test, and were unable to produce one because they had Omicron.
Don't get me wrong, I am fully supportive over everyone achieving herd immunity as quickly as possible. But them telling ME how important it is to be vaxxed makes my blood boil.
It may all have started out as a public health issue, but it soon became political. Vax passes have no validity when they are no guarantee the holder cannot transmit the virus. It is openly acknowledged that vaxxed, even triple vaxxed can transmit too. And there you have the absurdity. A non-infectious unvaccinated person cannot travel, but an infectious vaccinated with Pass can travel. How anyone can still say vaccination is protecting others, and the passes are necessary to stop spread, is beyond reason and logic. So it’s all about control.
Yes, it’s a joke. You just buy the vax pass and you’re all set. I just personally believe the cost of that pass may be a lot more than people expect (but for now we - the unvaxxed - seem to be the losers)
I suggest that all people watch the movie “don’t look up“. Yes people are convinced of lots of things that don’t make sense. Like getting the seasonal flu shot which is really quite worthless. What people need to realize is that their ability to withstand any type of viral infection depends upon the health of their immune system. As in the movie don’t look up it was clear that people were being duped! Don’t look Up is a perfect metaphor for what’s clearly right in front of your face! that is the health of the American people along with many other industrialized nations is extremely poor. The reason for that is super clear. All you need to do is to go to Walmart or your favorite store that just sells junk, that would be food stores that sell piles of worthless food. The way to get out of this is for people to realize that they themselves are responsible for their own health! Time to wake up and transform into a new reality. It couldn’t be any more clear right in front of everyone’s face!
I think I can see that movie on Netflix. Will definitely check it out. Can't see it in a movie theater because I haven't got a vaccine passport. Your point about being responsible for your own health is something I have always believed in and have done in my life. And if you look at the long line ups for all the fast food chain outlets, it's no wonder people are so unhealthy.
Better yet, watch "Midnight Mass"; a story that is all about self-deception, rationalization, cult mentality and not being able to see what is right before your eyes. Artists (true ones, not those falsetto Scots) often get a jump on the zeitgeist, and both Midnight Mass and another seemingly clairvoyant show called "Utopia" are prime exhibits of that presagement.
Sadly I agree and the many of us who didn’t get it and got c and now have natural immunity (which recognizes all c viruses because they are similar and doesn’t have to be specific like the vax’s are, yah, God knew what He was doing). The ones vaxed who got c say the vax kept them alive so everyone is still in their proverbial corners. Because of the fact we can’t get or discuss true numbers of deaths and autoimmune issues that will be with the vaxed for their short lives, we will never make believers out of them until they are faced with their own mortality, and even then they will deny it was the vax that is killing them. There is just no talking to them.
Yes, I agree that natural immunity is God's gift to us. Too bad America, Australia New Zealand, Canada and others don't recognize this immunity. After listening to too many talking heads on the US Sunday news show, Wallensky, et al....it stuck me that their claim that the Vaxx shield us from severe illness is anecdotal. They don't give any data (science!) to back up this claim other than what they see in the hospitals. I get why many will take that side of the gamble. But as Virus' continue their journey through this world, they mutate and get milder. Anecdotally, this could also be why many are not experiencing the severe illness we saw in the beginning of this fiasco.
Watching the Idiocracy dowse themselves in gasoline and set themselves on fire has been a joy. Sane people need to assure that these lunatics are put in straitjackets and never allowed to work in public office ever again.
I have come to the conclusion that roughly 25% of Western populations are forever damaged from this travesty. They are going to hyperventilate when they read about any virus in the future...no matter how mild it is. I spoke to a neighbor yesterday who I hadn't seen for 2 weeks. He said the family had covid. Both parents are teachers. He said it was lucky they got the booster shots otherwise it would have been worse. I just smiled and gave him the Thomas Sowell line: "As compared to what?" ....he had no answer and the mental gymnastics going on in his head were Olympic level from the look on his face. These are broken people. I doubt very much we will ever bring them back to reality. I just think if they want to hide in the basement, they should be able to do so. But leave the rest of us alone to do our thing.
there already were some like that. I have a few (former) friends who run to the doctor for every vaccine available. If there were one for ingrown toenails they would get it. They get 4 or 5 a year, some very painful, for sicknesses that I don't even think about. Mom had shingles a few years ago. She had some rash and that was it. You want to take 2 very painful injections (that are leaky too) to avoid ever getting that? You might not even get it in a lifetime ! I think vaccinations are total nonsense for most sicknesses, that can easily heal by themselves. Only a few are so severe, you might take a jab if you run the risk of getting them.
The times when I might take a jab are gone for good. Last time I did, very reluctantly, was some 15 years ago, for the snows of Kilimanjaro. It was worth going, but now I wonder whether there will be a price to pay.
Me too. And we're not the only ones. Some wit on Twitter (a chemistry professor) wrote that this whole episode has made him a "full-blown anti-vaxxer."
This is a very dangerous time. People, with good reason, have lost faith in institutional authority which has suppressed freedoms under the guise of controlling coronavirus.
Me too. I’m embarrassed I didn’t look into anything regarding childhood immunisations for my kids just trotted them off to the doctors. This whole thing has been quite a rude awakening
There’s nothing wrong in that. We can’t all be awake to every possible scam and nefarious plot for ever. I’m old school so trusted Doctors implicitly all my like until recently. Actually it was Aspartame poisoning that startled me into heavy cynicism.
Put it this way, would you EVER again trust a doctor saying "It's just a flu vaccine?" From now on, I want to see the labels of all these vaxxes and do a few hours research before letting him do his stuff. And even then, I'd probably say no. Hospitals and doctors' surgeries are now for me what the UK Workhouses were for my Victorian ancestors: places to be avoided at all cost.
Mine are 15 years or so ago, when I came to the US. You have to get the shots or you don't get a green card. 7 at once. Luckily so far so good, but now and then I think about the nose allergies I have now, that I did not have before, sneezing over perfumes etc. May be unrelated, maybe not... who will tell. At least I am alive. And that were the last ones for me too. I hate needles to begin with. I have enough of them in the sewing room !
it seems the medical world had the idea that with more vaccines youth would be healthier. If you watched Vaxxed, or read one of several books like Farmacology, you know that is not right. Vaxxed children usually are in poorer health than unvaxxed ones, and mothers who had the childhood diseases give antibodies to their babies. Just like antibiotics destroy your gut bacteria, vaccines seem to interfere with your natural immune system. Let us just hope that the vaxxed kids recover theirs.
i just realized today that my Moms shingles were likely vaccine induced (1990's)...at least I get it now....and she had them baaaad, really....we are so culturally blind to vax damages...but waking to it...
A friend had them bad. Her doctor advised her take the shots. 2 weeks later she had shingles. First adverse reaction on the tab : shingles. Mom had them very mildly, just a rash.
count me in those 25%. I am totally damaged and disillusioned about the state of the western democracies - politicians, media, science, NGOs, you name it, jumped in and just nullified our INALIENABLE rights and vilified everybody who dared to raise any concerns. Even close friends and family got hypnotised and just plain refused to hear obvious counterarguments.
Assuming the covid travesty subsides now, which is far from sure, if we do not clean this mess really thoroughly and implement some checks and balances the situation will repeat rather soon. It will be based on a mild but vastly exaggerated crisis - energy, environment, another virus, financial meltdown , you name it.
Agreed. This was always there in society. We could never see it before. These people are damaged from constant barrages of climate this...apocalypses that...they are done.
In retrospect, it is pretty obvious that a society that worships the Kardashians and is obsessed with sports, useless consumption and watching TV was never going to come out of this well.
To be fair, climate change issues will never be addressed. It would require an overhaul to our economic system and reductions in energy consumption. This is an untenable proposition.
Insoluble if you mean by deliberate planned actions, I would tend to agree. The simple vagaries of human nature alone argue against any global solution. Rarely, if ever, will an individual, much less a large group or nation, sacrifice its self-interest for the "greater good," especially of unknown people far away. To expect otherwise is a delusion of idealists and a fantasy on par with any of the heavenly promises of religions. But the problems will be "solved," perhaps in ad-hoc, chaotic or (worst case) catastrophic fashion. The world's reliance on fossil fuels is ultimately untenable, of course. But they won't run out all of a sudden. They will gradually get scarcer until not affordable or alternatives are found. Current "green" energy plans aren't really all that feasible when all costs are considered. But they, or newer tech, might eventually become cost competitive. Or we just collapse into something resembling a dark ages and revert to primitive existence.
War is a rare situation where large numbers of people (mostly male) will sacrifice themselves for the "greater good" or whatever reason their leaders give them. Along the way, they end up killing plenty of civilians.
Unfortunately we are losing a war with evolutionary imperatives: to procreate and fill all available habitat. As technological mammals, we are still on the same path, and moving swiftly. We may be the first species on this planet to ask if our growth is sustainable, yet our behavior continues.
Green energy infrastructure that is dependent on fossil fuels is unsustainable. 8 billion high energy lifestyles are unsustainable. Something has to give in this equation.
The downward slope of the Seneca curve will determine the outcome. There will still be oil in the ground, but civilization as we know it will be gone. Nobody will care if fusion reactors are just ten years away from being commercially viable.
Discussing our less-than-Star Trek future is as taboo as questioning vaccine policy.
I agree: I have always been a subscriber to the 'cock-up-theory' of history: I don't think anyone planned WW1 for example, I think it was also: "driven far more by pathological social/cultural ennui ": the lethargy and blindness of the masses.
Chiming in uninvited: the Big Conspiracy idea fails at a very basic level:
The power and control required to implement a succesful plan for world domination, is the power and control required for world domination.
Or in other words, if you actually can do it you have already done it.
Smaller conspiracies, like price fixing cartels, sweeping media censorship, cutlure war in academia and so on are of course a different kettle of fish.
And of course: any organised system containing lots and lots of secret deals (or simply appearing that way by dint of its size and scope) will fulfill the criteria for a conspiracy - look no further than the EU. It is completely impossible for any one single human to have more than the most general actual knowledge of its workings.
And yet 99% of it is completely public. But who could read something like the treaty of Lissabon, full text, on their own?
That's why we want a conspiracy á la Blofeld and co. It's a lot easier to grasp.
Yes and no. If you mean a conspiracy theory in the sense of a dozen Bond villains laughing loudly and smoking big cigars in a room, then no. However, the Wuflu hysteria has undoubtedly been used by many of the big players to further their agendas, whether depop, digital control of simply bigger bucks. And what about Schwab and Gates? They've told us very plainly what they are going to inflict on us, so it's not unnatural to think there might be a Big Conspiracy behind it all.
Almost all major historical events are sort of viral: the tragedy of Rwanda for example , or the appalling McCarthy Era witchtrials: people don't usually plan this stuff, what happens is that the herd start to panic and all run in the same direction from fear: you don't need a devious Leader, all you need is a sufficient mass of scared lemmings or wildebeestes, and hey ho, you have a stampede.
Your observation is very insightful. For anyone who's ever lived, or even traveled a bit in the "Third World," these cultures generally are poorer, more informal, more chaotic. Yes, they often lack the amenities that we Westerners consider "necessities," but in return, they of necessity are naturally adapted to a less predictable world. They've rarely known anything else. In many respects, they have a more realistic world-view.
I certainly hope you're right. I'm in the prison state of Canada and a health minister has just floated the idea that vaccines will soon be made compulsory. They're not giving up easily.
The small prosperous Anglosphere countries (Australia NZ Canada) got so high on the early worldwide praise they received for their "success" that the denial stage of their failure seems to be ragging on for a lot longer.
To be fair not many countries even the USA are acknowledging failure. In fact many seem to be doubling down now. More jabs more masks etc. In Australia we have let it rip and our cases are off the charts. Well some states have. Others are still closed and locked down. The reaction to this is quite hilarious. They’ve definitely let the cat out of the bag now though, be pretty hard to turn this around.
Yes just my state. Other states here are horrifying. Although a lot of people in the closed off states look at mine and are horrified. They feel so good they are being kept safe and everyone in my state is going to die.
Me too, in Canada and me too, hoping eugyppius is right. I saw that headline in the CBC news yesterday about the idea of mandates (to be implemented by the provinces), and another headline there about someone sneaking ivermectin into the hospital in a stuffed toy animal. The attitude taken in the article was 'dear me, some people are really crazed - and will try to sneak in this dangerous drug - doctors and nurses need to be on high alert to watch out for this kind of thing!'
So bizarre... HCWs are supposed to be BLOCKING a non-dangerous, non-addictive, likely life-saving medication from coming into a hospital! And the media supports this perspective!
Meanwhile our highest death toll in younger men (well, under 60 - although it's growing in the 60s too) in this province (BC) is from overdoses, and I just finished watching Dopesick (highly recommend). That's where a huge proportion of our excess deaths is happening. Everything is upside down!
Precisely, everything else is being ignored and sacrificed in the utterly futile attempt to control a contagious respiratory virus. Well, if you see it for what it really is, the attempt to line the pockets of Justin Trudeau, the Premiers and Health Ministers, and subjugate the population.
Thank you for sharing this, amplifying it, please every Canadian reading this take the time to do this before Monday. Suzanne Coles is bringing criminal charges against Justin Trudeau for his hate speech against the unvaccinated. All you have to do is download a document, replace the relevant portions with your information, and email it to her. I did it this morning, it only takes 5 minutes, please every Canadian do it as well.
You shouldn't have to do either, the document I used was a word doc that you can just modify. I didn't read that post far enough to see the file, I got it somewhere else.
Wish I could sign this... am Canadian born but no longer living there. Imagine not being allowed to enter the country of your birth because you are the new class of the unclean... a leper of the 21st century. Jesus, it's like 14th-century thinking.
I feel your pain Pamela. I was told not to come home for my father's funeral due to vaccine status (of zero). He was "fully vaxxed" and died of Remdisivir and ventilation - not Covid. These 21st century Paradoxes are indeed similar to the Middle Age witch trials........ I guess that will be recognized in 700 years, or already has been recognized by AI. Makes one very uneasy with everything that is going on.
Our prime minister, the trust-fund brat, has vilified the unvaxxed and wondered if the vaxxed should put up with it.....he's going in a dangerous direction.
It’s odd, everything I read and hear about Canada over the last few years has painted the darkest picture. Used to be a sublime place in my imagination.
Another Canuck here, granted I'm in exile in England (thank god) but I must say I doubt he's right about this. Canadians are the most smug and self-righteous people on earth and they'll likely never back down.
In addition to this it's clear that the Canadian healthcare system is on the verge of total collapse. This is something that is frankly unfathomable to cdns as it's their religious totem of utmost importance. Expect insane things to happen in the attempts to deny the obvious reality developing before them.
"Religious totem of utmost importance." 😂😂😂 That's apt. During a recent conversation with someone he said the hospitals are overrun and I replied, "Who cares? This has been the case in Quebec for decades. Mostly during flu season, but also every other day of the year." I thought one more patient would be admitted for a coronary event he was so shocked. 😅
Yes, I went to the ER with the flu back in 2009 and was stuck in the hallway because the hospital was so full of flu patients there was no room. This was in Toronto.
I am unsurprised. Ontario is marginally better than QC too. Even in the nineties in Quebec the delays were outrageous. Prior to Endless Government Dungeon my 4 year old choked on and aspirated a cashew. We waited for hours at pediatric emerge, went home to sleep, and returned the following day-she needed a bronchoscopy and was in intensive care following the procedure for chemical pneumonia. When I was induced to give birth it was delayed and then the medications were "Paused" during the induction for several hours because the staff were overwhelmed and couldn't get the anesthesiologist to other patients in time for them to have pain management. 10 years ago I took care of a family member who required complex care yet in 6 weeks in hospital never got a bed in oncology. At one point he was in the hallway and at another point he was put in obstetrics. The only people who believe this system was decent prior to medical tyranny are either fanatical leftist ideologues or those who have never spent any time in our hospitals.
Two months ago, I was given a 6% raise for doing a "fantastic job" (my boss's words, not mine).
This week, I was fired for being unvaccinated.
I've worked for this company in a variety of engineering roles for about 13 years, and am now in my mid-50s. My most recent job was in Sales, which in normal times involves frequent travel, so you can see the problem. I couldn't continue in that role without unduly burdening my teammates. Fair enough.
But the company has a number of unfilled positions, including one of my former jobs there. This position has been advertised for over two months now. Easy solution, right? Well, no.
The company has instituted a vaccinated-only policy for the building, so that people can feel "safe", in the words of our HR Manager. This job would require me to work in the building, rather than remotely, as I'd been. So the only solution was to let me go.
Never mind that BC has its highest case count ever, 83% of which is double-vaccinated. Never mind that the double-vaccinated are now the majority of hospitalizations. Never mind that there is now no rational reason whatsoever to discriminate against the unvaccinated. Coronachan will only be appeased by sacrifice, apparently.
i'm getting let go soon for my vac status too. Even though I had covid (Delta version I guess, given what was dominant at the time) back in Sept, and have been writing long emails to the CEO and to HR... I've gotten nowhere. Although they are fairly unresponsive, oddly, they aren't acting very fast to get rid of those of us who aren't complying. They don't want to lose the staff I suppose, so that's why the foot-dragging. But I'm so disillusioned by and have lost so much respect for the institution I work for that I'm more than ready for them to just tell me not to come in. I'll go be a dishwasher for a while perhaps... And then learn to forage in the woods? Who knows where this is all going!
🇨🇦Same. To note some old folks in Toronto are getting shot #4. I have a bit of schadenfreude lately watching all the vaxxed folks unable to use their VIP passports to eat, play hockey or work out as they are all closed to everyone!
Yes, I think that is causing some people to wake up - I did everything you asked me to in order to gain my "freedoms" and now I have lost them again - hopefully this makes more people start to question.
Some. Just don’t go reading the comments section over on CBC.ca. You’ll run to the nearest bridge and jump. I made this mistake yesterday when hit on a link to the CBC article about forcing vaccines. … Just went on a mad posting spree and stayed away from bridges. 😐
Yes we're not at the point of critical mass waking up yet. But some are, and we can only hope and pray more do. Your posting is crucial, Mattias Desmet says it's important for us to keep speaking up to keep the psychosis from deepening.
Every time I feel like creating an account to post my views I stop. I don’t need the stress. And besides arguing on the internet is futile. Gettr is better but I do need to prune the following list a bit. Some are just plain nuts.
I tried to be skeptical of the idea of mass formation, but actually coming down with a very mild case of covid myself (as an unvaccinated person) killed my skepticism. And it's what makes me decidedly less optimistic about omicron's potential to break through the brick wall (which I describe below).
When confronted with the mild case of covid I suffered, I have received the question, "Now do you regret not getting the vaccine?" as well as condolences on the suffering I endured. "But," I say flabbergasted, "I did not suffer. I had a runny nose. I had milder symptoms than in many 'breakthrough cases.'" But it is like there is a brick wall between my explanations and the reasoning mind of the person to whom I speak, and I am groping for the door without being sure that one exists.
My son and I (vaccine free) just got over our Covid with a slight temperature and a headache. My double vaxxed sister still calls me every day how are you? I think she’s expecting us to fall drastically ill again suddenly
“At the moment of truth, when other nations rise spontaneously to the occasion, the Germans collectively and limply collapsed. They yielded and capitulated, and suffered a nervous breakdown. The result of this millionfold nervous breakdown is the unified nation, ready for anything, that is today the nightmare of the rest of the world.”
That might be a more interesting comment if so many other countries and States hadn't also been flirting with all-in totalitarianism, indeed several far more so than D-land.
Just because it’s recently gone viral due to Malone’s Rogan interview doesn’t mean it’s invalid. I have been exposing the dangers of mass hypnosis since my first Substack article last year (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/a-primer-for-the-propagandized). This is a phenomenon that has been documented for millennia, from Machiavelli to Étienne de la Boétie to Joost Meerloo to Gustave Le Bon and now, most recently, Prof. Mattias Desmet. It is not the sole ingredient in this global clusterf*ck we have been subjected to, but it is the mechanism by which much of the machinations have been achieved.
Is it popular because it is being pushed by bad actors, or is it popular because it is providing a plausible explanation for why so many are being manipulated into clearly nonsensical and harmful behaviours?
They are behind NZ, Australia, Canada and Austria. It is debatable if they are all that different from many US blue States and jurisdictions like certain parts of NYC, California, Chicago and so on, not to mention micro-jurisdictions like place of employment many of which have been firing thousands for not being jabbed, or the US Army which rejects constitutionally valid exemption applications, both religious and medical. So no, sorry, it's just a cheap insult, one which Eugyppius, as a German, has been indoctrinated to applaud just as Whites in America are now being indoctrinated to self-loathe.
According to the Government Stringency Index on govt-imposed restrictions under Covid, Germany is the second most hardline country in the world after Fiji. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index
Hmm... so they have corona detention facilities like in Australia and NZ? Do they make you stay in hotels for 10 days on arrival at your cost with lousy food they choose for you? My son is German and lives there and doesn't experience much of the things reported in the press so we have been puzzling over this wondering what the real situation is. Perhaps it varies greatly from Bund to Bund? That said, he can work at home as a professional programmer - they do most facetime interfacing by zoom now apparently - so maybe doesn't have a good picture of what it's actually like.
One private survey he did which bolster Eugyppius' view is that recently he canvassed all friends and family and was unable to find one single person in that group that was concerned by potential mandates. He found that very depressing and in fact we have been discussing his leaving Germany for good. But with a wife and two young children this is clearly not desirable. That said, it IS getting scary.
But if the Germans are culturally predisposed to this as Eugyppius and others here seem to be saying, then it deserves far more scrutiny. Since 1945 they have been bludgeoned with what happened in WWII and have been indoctrinated at school and media about it incessantly. A country more averse and ashamed of fascist tendencies probably doesn't exist. But if it still does exist as the comment above intimates and Eugyppius liked, then how?
My son's survey might provide a clue. It seems that people care little or nothing for independence of thought and action. Maybe they have been so bullied since the War that they are now more prone to fascism than other populations? I don't know, but I feel that what is going on has more to do with deliberate manipulation. And we are seeing that populations all over the world are depressingly easy to manipulate. Perhaps it is more so in Germany because they are a very well socialised people, disciplined, respectful, sane, and have not developed sufficient cynicism to appreciate just how much they are being lied to since the people are generally honest and well-intentioned and assume their political class is as well.
Good news: Austria has pushed their Feb 1st deadline to April 1st. The world is pushing back. Hopefully they delay in Germany too.
I'm in Germany and went to join an anti-vax mandate protest earlier this week. This one was not downtown but in a sleepy neighborhood of the city that you might characterize as petit bourgeois. Did not know anyone there, listened to a couple of impassioned speeches while a smattering of counterprotesters tried but failed (due to insufficient decibel levels) to disrupt. "We" were about 150, counterprotesters maybe ten. Then we marched past row houses and apartment buildings, a guy up front with a mic and a boom box exhorted the neighbors to join us. A few came down to ask questions, others leaned out of windows and bellowed in outrage, furious that we were even allowed to protest. Some 30 cops kept an eye on us along the route, more were stationed at nearby choke points.
I had feared the worst from the police, in light of the brutality they have shown to protesters in Berlin, but I have to say on this evening they were polite and restrained. I chose not to wear a muzzle, unlike maybe half of the other protesters and in spite of a warning from an organizer, but the police did not bother me nor any of the other non mask wearers; I did take care to stay six feet apart from everyone though.
Yesterday I checked my nextdoor app, and it was about as bad as you would expect. Lots and lots of "upstanding citizens" ranting about Nazis, Nazis, Nazis, anti-vaxxers, ignoramuses, granny killers. I think I have well-tuned sensors for detecting Nazis, did not see even one in the protest. Nor, to be fair, did any of the counter-protesters strike me as such. Judging by speeches, clothing, hairstyles, general demeanor I would characterize most protesters as former (or maybe even presently still) Green voters and maybe an equal contingent of apolitical "want to be left alone to life their live" types, while the counters appeared to be the type who vote social democrat or "Left party".
Didn't matter to the mob on nextdoor. Waves of white-hot anger and, yes, hatred came rolling at me from my smartphone. I noticed a few brave souls (curiously, all women) trying to offer an alternative viewpoint -- not necessarily defending the protesters, but pleading for civil discourse instead of demonization -- but they were cybershouted down.
The Government Stringency Index considers nine parameters; obviously there is a subjective element in how they are chosen and weighted, so I don't have an immediate answer for you why they put Germany near the top but not Australia. I feel like I'm living in a dystopia, not only because I am limited to supermarket / doctor / pharmacy and excluded from everything else as an unjabbed pariah, but because my income as a small business person has been decimated while pensioners, civil servants and the laptop class shrug and demonstratively show me zero empathy.
Thanks. It's so great to hear actual report from the ground. It seems that Germany is about the same as most countries which are in different phases and different levels of intensity but most - the developed ones in the West at least - are being bullied by their governments and 'deep state' power networks to subject themselves to vaccination and then along with that some sort of digital pass system to enjoy access to various things. The pass system seems to me to be the desired end result of this entire exercise because it explains the extraordinary pressure. The mass formation business - which seems basically valid - does nothing to explain why this state is being engendered (deliberately or as an unintended side effect), i.e. why are 'they' doing this to everyone?
In any case, I feel that as a society we have done a very bad job of feeling empathy for so many whose lives have been disrupted, financially compromised or ruined, family ties fractured, sense of a good life with a good future broken and so forth. The ease with which people slide into shoehorning everything into whether or not there is a pandemic, whether or not we can get medicines like HCQ and Ivermectin, whether or not we get jabbed, whether or not there should be mandates is depressingly alarming. There is so much more going on that matters to all of us and yet there is little collective awareness, let alone discussion.
To me this means that our civilisation has many pre-existing comorbidities and is ripe for pathogenic infection which might quite likely prove mortal. If we were strong cultures then this sort of thing couldn't have unfolded.
Leaving the great irony: we do indeed NEED a Great Reset. We should not wish to go back to the Old Normal for it was weak and corrupt and has given birth to the current totally corrupt whatever-it-is (autarchy?). No, we need a reset. But I see little evidence we are capable, as a society, nations or civilization, to effect a good one. The other irony is that this reset will indeed have to take place on a global level. But one way will enforce mass centralization of authority and a much better way would have something more multipolar, multijurisdictional, multinational, multicultural and yet with international connections and solidarity for what we are going through now is indeed a world-wide dynamic.
Your comments about being "bludgeoned" post-1945 are very interesting. By whom? About what? Yes, bad events transpired in the 1930s and 40s and Germany had a hand in them. But as they say, history is written by the winners. To suit their own purposes. And not necessarily a rigorous treatment of events as they really happened. In fact, in many nations, it remains a crime punishable by imprisonment to even question the official histories. Such a prohibition against asking questions is almost unheard-of in the modern world. Did those who imposed such draconian laws really think that it might not have unintended consequences?
It is not only the subjugated -- that is the only valid term -- German people that have been so treated. On a variety of topics and for various possible motives, many peoples have been lied to, deceived, and manipulated for generations. You thought that only existed in totalitarian regimes? Think again.
Well, I don't think I need to answer your opening question. You seem to have a good grasp on it.
Your comment helps raise awareness of two very different, though equally pernicious, strains in society, namely totalitarianism versus subjugated/manipulated populations. The two things can be coexistent but not necessarily so, and in any case there are different degrees of control/manipulation/deception. What we seem to be seeing is a push towards a more overtly totalitarian order which will depend upon getting the population herded (without immunity!) into the same states of mind at which point they are subject to crowd control mechanisms. It is this groupthink aspect that separates mass formation per se from a merely deceived population (like America since around 1912).
I have not studied this mass formation business in depth. Desmet's initial presentations about the four prerequisites are interesting and insightful but he has not yet addressed important issues like: how is this sort of thing maintained? how steered over time?
My intuition is that mass formation doesn't last all that long in most situations where it arises. That said, North Korea proves the exception to that rule (if indeed it is one). Once mass formation is achieved you have a certain amount of time to steer its population into a desired end and then? Where does it go from there? Not very far, I suspect, because the leadership class for whom this sort of reality is appealing are, though no doubt above average IQ types at the top, rather narrow-minded materialists spiritually speaking with an ultimately nihilistic view of life, spirit, intelligence, emotion. Their world order will self destruct sooner or later.
I also think there is more than one mass formationed population. The society is becoming multiple personality. First they traumatize us all, then they herd us into different media enclaves. Someone posting about mass formation on youtube is likely to get cancelled there but they simply go over to Rumble or whatever. People increasingly get their news and world view from self-curated sources. The patriot population who believes that the progressives are about to end the world as we know it is as close to mass formation (not all but many of them) as the progressive populations who believe that the neanderthal conservatives want to usher in a new patriarchy-based stone age with slavery, sexism, racism and all the rest of it. The point is that both populations are in an equally fractured, traumatized, isolated state and thus subject to being herded into mass formation albeit not by the same voices and sources. Gone are the days where all citizens live in the same country. Even in well socialized countries like Germany there are these increasingly fractured and mutually hostile populations as one side is becoming increasingly likely to be demonizing the other.
In the short terms, if the mass formation thesis becomes adopted by one population but anathema to the other, it will just become more fuel for the fire in the civilisation-ending dynamic now unfolding.
The autobahn project was already under way in the Weimar Republic, it's not in any way original to the Nazis. Your suggestion that Germany was not on the wrong path until "after around 1939" is abhorrent. Among other atrocities, the government passed the racially discriminatory Nuremberg laws in 1935, forced Jewish Germans out of their jobs, stole their wealth (the German economic boom was partially funded therefrom), and in 1938 staged a nationwide pogrom ("Kristallnacht") in which hundreds of Jews were murdered, with tens of thousands shoved into cattle cars headed for concentration camps, where hundreds more died soon after.
You are either trying to find justifications for the Nazi persecution of Jews (and other minorities) or you are woefully under-informed.
I got Moderna last April, voluntarily. I'm over 40 and done having kids, didn't see too much downside. They mandated boosters just last week. It was obvious at the time of announcement that they will do nothing. We also got a post from the university president referring to "consensus science", they can't even call it science anymore.
Unfortunately my governor in CA is still in the early to mid stages, pushing boosters, deploying the National Guard to "help" at testing sites and mandating the shots for school children. And clinging tightly to his "Emergency Powers" for 2 years.
Jennifer didn’t understand why she’s thrice poisoned and “still can’t do anything”. Here’s a little hint, Jen. You were had. Taken in. Suckered. Defrauded of your future health. Poisoned for nothing.
I am sure she unleashed a torrent of white hot hate from "her side" too. Soon she'll have no choice but to pen an Atlantic op ed "I'm a woke liberal in every way really I just have this one vaccine reservation don't exile me"
Eloquent synopsis. I know an elder over 95 who is boosted, a lady of about 70 who is boosted and a friend about 45 who is boosted. I have had to let go of communicating with them; I simply cannot say much without betraying my understanding of what they have done voluntarily (sort of not but legally so really) to themselves. I also know from past experience that when I found out years ago my Mom had cancer, this news starts a process of dis-integration in those who love the cancer victim. I think its a form of a rabbit chewing off a limb that is caught in a trap...you start disassociating from the element you know may be dying to save your 'self' or your heart or such....so, I see this in myself, proportional to how many shots a person has had, 1, 2, 3 or 4, my need to let them....get sick and die if that's unavoidable. (It seldom is really but we still don;t know how to turn of spike production really and since its a clotting neurotoxin...) It's horrible to see this withdraw but human., animal.
Here in Scotland our maniacal public health authorities and authoritarian government love lockdowns and restrictions. But to quote a local saying “their gas has been put on a peep” by the non arrival of their predicted “Tsunami” of hospitalisations and deaths. Shroud waving about cases is no longer cutting through. There is ONE verified case of Omicron in ICU. However they always regroup and with the support of the MSM and a Parliament of seat warming cretins who will never get into the real data they will try. My guess is they’ll seek to use the Cameroon/Marseille variant. However we have the best policy lesson/ slap in the face we could wish for. The natural experiment with a much more restricted Scotland V a less restrictive England. Already this is showing that our outcomes in devolved nations are no better.
Great to get a Scotland update. We used to live there and loved it. However they do have a very collectivist mindset and this reaction was all too predictable.
Thanks Eric. I think many of us have had an earlier lesson in the authoritarian paternalism of the behavioural scientists, fitting with the controlling authoritarian politicians. They pay no heed to real evidence and those trained on the economic and statistical side of “behaviour”,are not being heard. However many have become pliant purveyors of received wisdom in a way that just started me and other critical researchers. Indepedendent researchers like inform Scotland are analysing the data and “data shaming” the likes of Leitch, who just makes things up on the hoof. However the media are just not capable of interrogating these chancers. As both Eugyppius and Matt Taibi have pointed out in their own way, a bit of data curiosity from the NSM would disrupt this whole facade, especially in Scotland.
"Bellacovidonia", nice pun on our utterly execrable independence movement "independent media" champions who've gone so far down the woke left-fascist-safetyist, SNP-clientelist drain they haven't been seen in serious politics for years.
If you look at the Travelling Tabby stats today, Omicron in Scotland /has clearly peaked/, and as you indicate, hospitalisations are still lower than during the Delta wave last Summer - when the NHS was apparently not "overwhelmed." Who is talking about this in the Scots media?! What's "overwhelming" our NHS then? Could it be that the shit-doesn't-stink SNP political class have been doing something quite similar to our NHS as the Tories have down south. Who knew that Jason Leitch ("a dentist") in fact only worked as a dentist for a year before inveigling himself with a US private healthcare thinktank (Institute for Healthcare Improvement). There's a warren of rabbit holes behind the facade of Nicola's Potemkin Village.
Not wrong Joshu’s dog. In contrast to the stats on Omicron as presented are to use that famous quote ‘not even wrong”. The continued Stonewalling by Sturgeon and her clique is being invalidated daily by the evidence of what is in effect a natural experiment.
OK, now I am starting to agree with Eugyppius that the off ramp is a possibility. The UK MSM is running with a story about an "anti vax" doctor having critical words with the health secretary re. the looming NHS mandates. Much like Soviet propaganda, this kind of thing doesn't get out by accident. Likewise the Guardian ran with a story headlined "NHS Urged to Drop Vaccine Mandate Due to Staff Retention Crisis." Pravda doesn't describe a thing as "urged" unless they want to frame that thing as thinkable, if not actually push it.
But I don't trust these bastards just because they're hesitating in front of the social dynamite detonator at the last minute. Something else is probably coming, or at least, it would be prudent to expect this.
Well I suppose. Looking at it differently, "pandemic" is the new "war on terror", which was the new "looming nuclear holocaust", and so on. i.e. The convenient ever-mutating pretext that exists to whip the proles into line.
It's a rollercoaster/tug-of-war, still very much boiling frogs like.
You have the likely staged Sky story with Dr. James and Javid to prepare their face-saving exit from the NHS mandate, which would certainly be a disaster, followed by the Times editorial clearly preparing the ground for a Euro style every day vaxx passport and total discrimination and apartheid.
I agree. We are headed for something like the Green Pass. They will start charging for testing, tell the vaxxed that their spreading SARS-CoV-2 is now no longer a problem and turn the entire narrative against unvaxxed "clogging up the hospitals." 99% of this will be fact-free, but the idea is that if you restrict the inconvenience to the unvaxxed demographic only, then that ceases to be a political liability. The flaw in the ointment is needing to fight the resistance of the vaccinated public to get boosted continually to maintain their inferior immunity.
There's a great danger of solidarity breaking out between those resisting boosters, side effect sufferers and the unvaxxed living under apartheid. One apparent strategy is to slow-boil the frog on boosters, with constant switch ups in messaging. "You don't need it, oh wait you do! It wanes oh wait it doesn't after shot X! Oh don't be silly you won't have to take it every three months! But so what if you need to take it every 3 months?" This kind of gaslighting, progressively-manipulating nonsense is what the herd have been trained to accept naturally passes for expert discourse.
Talk of the off-ramp could lead to major complacency, frankly.
„This is the first time since the Floyd riots in America, that major political leaders and public health authorities have said that preventing Corona can no longer be the highest goal of western society”. Why now? Because those major political leaders saw some secret polls among voters and know they're in for an awfully sobering fall from grace? Not that I'm under the spell of the movie Don't Look Up!, even though it does portray how mediocre leaders really make their decisions. I'm simply old enough to have seen it many times, at home and abroad.
In Romania we started today a 30-day extension of the 'state of alert', accompanied by the same pathetic restrictions, plus a blatantly infuriating new one: we are no longer permitted to wear textile or plastic masks, only surgical-type or FFP2, even though for two years now we've been repeatedly told that any type of mask was in order if it covers nose and mouth. So, our magnificent leaders kneeled down again in front of their bribery sources. (We use a much more obscene expression instead of simply 'kneel down', but I'll spare you that, we're among adults here, not teenagers.) An we must wear it AT ALL TIMES, both indoors and outdoors, even if we are alone in the street.
This morning I saw that most people complied, as I was the only maskless one in the underground trains, but in the street we were about half unmasked, half masked. My bet is that people will only start to make real noise and protest loudly in February, after the full shock of gas & electricity price raises will make itself felt on our pockets. Our leaders seem to be aware of that too, because my mother got a raise in her pension today.
But, since the Romanian government is usually taking its cue from Germany and the US, it also depends on how quickly the situation develops there.
For the time being, social media in Romania is still debating the Djokovic situation.
There's a fine between 100 euros and 500, depending on how serious the police think your threat to 'public health' is. I'm not sure how they are supposed to evaluate this threat. I guess it depends on how crowded the place is when they catch you or whether you look well-off enough to afford a heftier fine.
In my experience, police usually turn a blind eye on us, the maskless ones. Frankly, I am more worried about potential hysteroid types than police, those who are forever afraid everybody else is a danger to their precious persons. I hate scandal.
After spending the afternoon scouring the outskirts of town, looking for empty cans and bottles with a deposit on them to eke out what has become an almost non-existent income, ...(we found just over 3 Euros worth - there really is money on the streets - some people still have money to burn) reading this was so encouraging. Thank you.
I see an email announcing a post from you. I am at my desk. I close my email - bring out my coffee, my portable device and lay back on the couch to read
Your posts are like fine wine. They need to be enjoyed in the right context.
Thank you!
thank you so much Barcode!
A light in the darkness. You brightened up the anxiety and vague depression I had since July, when my former friends refused to come to their birthday party because I am not jabbed. Now I can breathe freely again. We will get through this. Thank you.
I'm glad you said "former" after their idiotic refusal.
Now that there is a light in the COVID tunnel, maybe you should consider spreading your writing talent in other areas to help fight the emerging WORLD COMMUNISM practices in western society?
Even though I am a crank, I absolutely share Barcode's feelings about this blog :-)
Totally agree--I am hanging onto my sanity with the help of Eugyppius
I agree. I love these posts
Well said. Exactly!
I also agree, but one thing that really annoys me, is that your English is better than mine and I'm English (said slightly tongue in cheek)!
Ha yes. He has a way of making me feel dumb but not mad. English is my first language too and I can’t accept that it’s Eupyppius’s second.
I think I can tell that his first language is German because of the way he uses the word ‘ stupid’.
English native speakers use idiotic, dumb etc etc in place of ‘stupid’ but German speakers using English will not interchange anything with ‘stupid’ and when they say it in English they really mean it
Not for me! Lost my sense of smell !!! Posts are still good but the grand cru classé will have to wait...
I completely agree! These posts are wonderful!
+1 as they say
Ideally with fine wine
Seconded and, I'll bet, passed unanimously. (or should!)
I'm sure you are correct about the progression of the disease. However, based on interactions with family and friends I think your statement "everyone will have personal experience with Corona infection, whether or not they are vaccinated. This will destroy popular faith measures, it will erode their confidence in the vaccines, and it will do away with their fear of the virus." is too optimistic. Most people I know who are vaccinated and then got infected (I know many people like that) firmly believe that the vaccine is what allowed them to weather the infection. They are convinced that if they hadn't been vaccinated they would have been hospitalized and likely died. I don't know what, if anything, will convince them that they've been fooled.
at some level it doesn’t - the main thing is they accept that SARS2 isn’t any longer a risk to them.
Yes. It's true. My greatest intellectual opponent and close friend who has been triple vaxxed and awaiting (with nail biting anticipation,) for the fourth has contracted the virus and is really, really struggling. I know she is very ill. She has told everyone but me. I imagine there will be a lot of soul searching for these people. What they were promised, what their invisible shield of protection they thought they had, will come into question at some stage. Sure, they may argue it could have been much, much worse had they not had the jabs but they are staring to question what it was all for. And this is where the narrative falls and the fear-porner begin to walk backwards. No normal or sane person wishes ill will on anyone but I believe the 'shut up and do as you're told, or else...' brigade will find this latest variant an inconvenience to their doomsday narrative.
It's becoming impossible for even most ovine sheep to ignore. The UK government's OWN figures for December show 2.5x as many vaxxed patients in hospitals dying from Covid compared to unvaxxed.
The UK Government's own figures (in January 2022) - show that 90.3% of people aged over 12 have had at least one dose of the vaccine.
So if all are equivalent, you would expect there to be 10x as many vaxxed patients dying.
As it happens, older people (higher risk in general) are even more likely to be vaccinated than average - eg found via Google: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/as-many-as-6-million-eligible-britons-may-not-have-had-a-covid-jab-who-are-they
So, your number appears to be very solid evidence that the vaccines work.
Could you source it? Thx
You lost me at 'The Guardian.' Not a reputable - or even remotely - independent 'news' source. People stopped taking that rag seriously over a decade ago. I think, tragically, those who run the show underestimate people's intelligence, critical thinking skills and their ability to smell/call BS. The vaccines undoubtedly may have been better received had they been targeted at the audience for which the greatest threat (elderly, pr-existing conditions, etc) existed but the need to target 5 year olds in addition to insisting on paper masks, lockdowns and other nonsensical measures have resulted in a distrust that the MSM/big pharma/ big tech players will find hard rewind and manage. Consider also disproportionate over-reach that trampled on laws, freedoms and the humanely innate desire for public discourse and debate. The carrot has always more powerful than the stick. Always. If the intention was to Build Back Better, you need the general public on your side and history has shown that the way to do this is through keeping the public satisfied. Fear-mongering, terrifying and coercing the public into accepting a narrative by eliminating anything that challenges the narrative will eventually fail. People have brains. No one is taking anything away from the vaccines but the manner in which they were initially promoted to the manner in which they are now being mandated across entire age groups, despite their inability to infect, is making people question the logic. It is really that simple.
"You lost me at 'The Guardian.'" Touché. :)
I'm no regular reader of any of the "legacy media." Most often I will read about the latest ludicrous propaganda from what was long ago, or even just a decade or two back, a reputable periodical. Sometimes if no paywall, I may read the actual article, often witnessing just how vacuous it really was. What's happened is that progressives, "woke," or Cultural Marxists, call them what you like, have "captured" many traditional media. Sometimes these are kept alive by rich donors. I guess it's prestigious to be a social activist billionaire endowing what is basically garbage propaganda, often providing cushy salaries to second-rate writers who in a saner era would have been lucky to have found employment as high school English teachers. Even special interest magazines, Scientific American or even the medical journals, have fallen victim. Perhaps not all of their product is worthless, but in the old days, did specialist periodicals dabble in politics and moulding public opinion?
Two things. Firstly, why on earth would you trust a figure of 90.0% having at least one shot of genetic modification? Secondly, why on earth would you ever trust a lying left leaning journal call The Guardian for anything other that "follow the narrative". In any war, and this is warfare, the first casualty is the truth. Just follow the money to find out who has the greatest "love of money" -- "root of all evil" in this world and who would do anything to pursue their greatest 'love'!
A person subjecting themselves to three of these abominable injections will absolutely fold for the fourth and the fifth. Their protestations of no more are just lies to themselves.
Another thing is coming. Virtually everyone will have to admit, at least to themselves, that they know someone who was injured or died from the vaccine, or someone related to someone, friend of friend etc. Now including the limo-commie pricks at the NY Slimes.
I think it’s their Ivermectin copycat pills
Yep. A snip at only $200 each
Yes, I think that's what is coming down the road.
They have post hoc fallacy on their side
i've experienced the same thing, and this is of course anecdotal, but i'm also starting to hear the opposite. a very "liberal/progressive" family friend just said the other day "i'm not taking anymore shots, they don't work and i already caught covid despite being vaxxed".
Yes. Some have already had enough and they are not indoctrinated or as loyal to the party as others. It will take a certain mass for the architects to back down but they may just create another crisis. If they do even more people will be reluctant to fall for it initially.
A republican former friend anounced 2 weeks ago how she was so proud she and her family got their third shot. They might be the exceptions, but I don't think this stops on party lines. I can tell one thing for sure though, I am not voting dems again. If the reps have no good candidate I will write one I think will do. If we can all do this for a good candidate, we might have a non partisan president.
My jaded outlook tells me there will never be enough money for a non partisan presidential campaign
I think you are right. It is all about the money. And usually we can choose between dumb and dumber.
Alien vs Predator is my view
The present occupant of the Oval Office is a semi-living proof that the Presidency does not matter.
It might become relevant at some point when the populace realises that the old regime must go *and* the old regime is already weak and rotten enough not to be able to mount a defence.
We are not at that point, yet. Until then voting is a waste of energy
You are right. It will take a total reorganization of government. It will also take incorruptible checks on it. Good luck.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
You think politicians and elections will sort this out? How quaint! The GOP will do nothing with its sweeping victory in November.
I think politicians are useless. They are all the same, filling their pockets. In all this mess, exactly one politician has stood up for the people, and that is senator Johnson. He invited doctors and vaxx harmed people to the studio but this was on election day... no one paid any attention. All the rest keeps quiet.
Everyone I know who has gotten the shots just keeps saying how they believe that “at least it reduces symptoms”. I am so sick and tired of hearing that. How do they know?! I think they have to believe that, to help them justify in their mind their decision to be jabbed.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/thoughts-thinking/201907/why-do-people-rationalise-poor-decisions
Reduces the symptoms so they're not sick enough to stay home and limit contacts, but will go about their life as normal while infecting others. Not good.
And the narrative switched already from "the vaccine will protect you from getting Covid" to "you have to get vaccinated so that the ICUs are not overcrowded".
Already Merkel a few months ago did not blame the unvaccinated for being infectious, but for keeping the hospital beds full and preventing none-Covid patients to be treated. She made a big effort to scapegoat the unvaccinated.
However, even this narrative is harder and harder to keep going, as more and more people don't want to get the latest booster, and also that every Covid patient they know is already triple vaccinated.
And in about three months the flu season will be over and no one will get sick, at least not the unvaccinated. (Who knows the effects of the vaccine in the long run).
Hence, Eugyppius' optimism has merit.
If the ICUs are overburdened, it is due to staff having to stay home and isolate.
I just read that some hospitals let the vaccinated sick nurses work, while having fired the healthy unvaxxed ones.
They are hiring them back. Vaccinated or unvaccinated.
Ain’t authoritarianism “great”.??
It is also because our government hat reduced the number of ICU beds by almost 30% in 2020, while the Great Pandemia raged.
But try to tell that to the normies.
Makes sense. You can't be overwhelmed by covid cases if you have enough beds for all the covid cases, therefore, reduce the number of beds so people will actually, physically see that you are truly overwhelmed and can rightly so, tell others of that fact.
At what point did ICU/ITU become ornamental, not to be used except on high days and holidays like the parlour of our Victorian grandparents?
Can you imagine an airline boss complaint his planes were near capacity or full or overbooked? But of course at certain times of the year passenger numbers go up, and this can be anticipated and extra planes brought into service.
We know that EVERY Winter hospitals fill up with respiratory tract disease patients - wouldn’t it be a great idea if hospitals could anticipate this and bring extra resources to bear? Maybe we should let the airlines run the hospitals.
My father used to comment on such things with this little nugget, him being a life-long member of our armed forces. This was when we had conscription on the books, by the way.
"Every year a certain number of boys are born, and the year they come of age they are tested for conscription, so we have eighteen years advance warning. The average politician being in charge of communal kindergartens and pre-schools has access to the same birth-data we do, yet every year there is either too many free spots, or to few. Think about that if you want to understand public service."
That's not him arguing for military to run things, but for people who actually can run things, to run things - not politicians nor politruks.
Your average warehouse worker would do a better job than a politically appointed health care official, because the warehouse worker would start by asking the doctors: "What's the workflow? What do you need to keep everything running?"
Be mindful that politicians are unemployable in the private, competitive sector and being a warehouse worker would be too much of an intellectual challenge for them. No disrespect to warehouse workers who contribute far more to our economy and wellbeing than the political class ever could.
I live in OR. And we have the lowest number of hospitals and beds per capita, for all 50 states. I live in a county of about 250k people. Our ICU’s are almost always crowded even before Covid due to the states grip on medical and Hospital licensing. They’ve been blowing it for the last 70 years or more.
Anyway, my county alone lost 700 medical staff due to refusal to get the poke. No retirement, no unemployment or any help. These are educated medical professionals that are not anti Vac. they just don’t want to participate in the “experiment”. If I were in a position of responsibility in the Gov. making the rules, I think I would be asking these educated medical pros why they don’t want to participate. They obviously are informed. Could it be their experiences with the Vac that we seem to have a problem getting the correct and complete numbers for deaths and side effects? So now, some medical facilities are calling up asking them back. That’s not going very well. Most of the civil unrest around the Covid is the irresponsibility from our Gov.s. It’s going to be interesting watching these cases go through the courts. I think there’s a reckoning coming. I hope!
Nurses sharing their experiences https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/shows/tea-time
I think if all those that are in the know would stand up, and no one take the jabs, we would be surprised HOW many they are. If they were just not so afraid !
And ICUs are nearly always over-burdened. That's the nature of the beast.
I thought hospitals were for profit. They’ll keep converting beds until the cows come home with all the $$$$$ they’ll be rolling in. Overburdened, my ass.
Not in the UK. The NHS is free at point of delivery. Hospitals are a cost and therefore the fewer beds, the fewer staff, the fewer people using them the better.
The ‘flatten the curve’ and all the other propaganda has been to hide (unsuccessfully as it turned out) the fact that whilst life expectancy keeps going up and an ageing population living longer needs more beds, progressively bed capacity and staffing levels have been reduced over the last thirty to forty years because the cost to the State is too high and cannot be maintained at a level to provide the promised service.
During the ‘crisis’ in March 2020, temporary hospitals were set up to deal with the anticipated non-arriving deluge, but were not used and after a few weeks closed. It was window-dressing because there was not enough leducal abd nursing staff to operate them.
6 million on waiting lists for hospital treatment in the UK, set to double by next year. But it’s ‘free’ so don’t complain.
I think this is mostly an American problem where everything is for profit even churches
Yes, but look who it is Ontario - ICU - vaxxed 137, unvaxxed 123 https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
wasn't it Ontario that had to redo the numbers because they were all wrong? A Canadian blogger posted something about that yesterday
It was
Their average age is also important.
Germany just announced it's doing the opposite. Shortening quarantine, especially for key workers, because otherwise the country would cease to function.
Medically totally ridiculous, of course.
And kudos to the virus that it can distinguish between key workers and the plebs...
"the person in question may go to work as normal, but must quarantine outside of work hours." Reaching new heights of absurdity.
Oh my goodness that is so absurd I had to laugh… they are so desperate
Goodness. And I thought Norwegians were kinda cool
We have a Norwegian Elkhound. He is very cool.
dogs are the best humans
🙄
The problem for Mutti et al, is their reasoning is only viable if the vaccines are sterilising so that only unvaccinated can develop disease. The unvaccinated bed-blocker argument resists logic when 80% plus of population is vaccinated because the unvaccinated cohort is comparatively so few in number that the probability is there are insufficient susceptible to the virus AND become hospital cases. The probability is the more numerous vaccinated group will provide the majority of hospital cases and deaths. And indeed that is what the data is showing.
In the UK, the Office for National Statistics estimates 95% immunity (either from vaccine or exposure) in the population. That is about as high immunity for anything can get in a population. With such a high level the number of new infections, therefore hospital cases and deaths should be approaching zero and occasional. Yet the opposite is true. It is an uncontrollable virus just like all the other respiratory viruses - we have known this for decades.
That for me has been one of the most galling things about the hysteria: we have to lose our freedoms, health and livelihood just so some vaxx-pushing doc does have to work too hard.
Let’s just all hope that the significantly increasing all cause mortality numbers (behind curtain 3) are just a short term “coincidence” (like all the vax related/caused deaths). I’ll become optimistic when MSM ceases to exist
Here in Florida using 2019 as a baseline, 2020 deaths up about 14%; 2021 deaths up by ~23%. Figures reduced slightly to account for ~1% annual population growth. People are moving here, but I doubt that explains the jumps.
In Belgium a doctor of an Antwerp large hospital said on regional TV, that the whole ICU was filled with vaxxers. Not one unvaxxed in there. National TV did not hear that of course
In Belgium, it’s just at half. Interestingly the % vaxxed in ICU declined, possibly due to the short-term benefits of the booster against the Delta surge that ended before Xmas.
How do they count vaxxed? I've seen the unboostered lumped in with the unvaccinated. Even when the first 2 vaxxes were recent and should still be working. Theoretically.
There is no fixed definition of what ‘vaccinated’ or ‘fully vaccinated’ is - it is whatever the lunatics in charge say it is on the day, and what means ‘fully vaccinated ‘ in one Country may mean something else in another. You might depart the UK fully vaccinated, but when you are due to return you may no longer be fully vaccinated. Good innit?
I wondered that. But the Belgian health statistics agency does not seem to be doing that...yet. So far, they still use the term "fully immunized" [sic.] for 2 doses, and "refresher shot" for boosted.
Supposed benefit of vaccination us to prevent you getting as far as ITU - once you are there you are toast, particularly if they put you on a ventilator.
And more UK deaths from Covid for the jabbed. Sad.
Julius Ruechel just published a superb in depth analysis of that.
What will happen then?
They'll call it COVID, blacklist any medical professional who disagrees, and ban Tamiflu.
It will take some mid level people who support mandates switching over for some people to realize they have been lied to. Some will never accept it. MSM is a powerful force for propaganda. It is amazing how little of the data, and facts that some people know who consider themselves to be well informed.
Supreme Court justices, for example
Yes that's astonishing. One wouldn't expect people of their stature to be so incredibly ill-informed.
no kidding! So disturbing!
What is significant is that they were publicly embarrassed. They know the correct figures now thanks to the highly visible "spanking" they have received. It will be interesting to see what they finally decide.
I had a colleague say this was simply a gotcha with no substance when I pointed out that CNN was not covering the story.
Or, I'd expect they, of all people, would do their research.
I don't know about them. I think the three may know better but received their talking points from The Company and spread propaganda.
either that or their pockets were well filled
More like TV Court justices.
Agree 100%. I'm sure MSM will find a way to pretend they spoke the truth all along...and at this stage I'll take anything to stop the prison state mandates and madness towards the purebloods!
The five stages is very apt. Everyone I know is getting infected. At first they would speak in hushed tones as if their God was listening. "I am thrice vaxxed and I STILL caught it." Then they seemed to draw a distinction as if it was OK to have caught it from someone vaxxed but unacceptable to have caught it from someone unvaxxed. Now we seem to be transitioning to acceptance that it is all bullshit and it was all for naught.
Also, how quickly will the powers that be let go of a campaign yielding historically obscene levels profits and power? Massive incentives all aligned in favor of vaccines and restrictions.
That’s my concern too. They didn’t just get lucky. They had the money and power to create a campaign of mass hysteria and I doubt they’re satisfied yet.
They've cashed in! Après nous les delúge
Yes, no doubt they have a lot more planned there are secret experiments going on now. Has anyone else wandered over to orwell.city lately? What they are seeing in a drop of dried vaccine liquid (Pfizer) looks to be nano-sized self-assemblying electonic circuits. I'm not exaggerating. Its very alarming and depressing. To think that humans are just toys to experiment on. Here is the first one I watched where Ricardo Delgado is understandably upset. Normally he's pretty unemotional. https://www.orwell.city/2022/01/microtechnology.html
That all seems somewhat hysterical. Maybe worth perusing https://www.mccairndojo.com/
He’s been looking into these claims live.
It is akin to religion for some at the point. I have a friend who had covid pre-vaccines and was mildly ill, had 2 shots, caught covid again and was mildly ill. But then went on about how grateful they were for the vaccines, as if they made a difference.
What I am observing is that they feel the vaccine prevented them from severe illness and angrily blaming the unvaxed for the new variant. Lots of anger right now towards the unvaxed.
Exactly. It's definitely displacement. But the more direct question they are forestalling is why they fell for the greatest bout of hysteria in human history when all the information they needed to see through it was a finger tip away on the internet? Angry noises against us also postpones the day when they have to think about the long term consequences of their choice.
Yes, I've had similar experiences - all thankful that they had the vax since it meant only mild symptoms. And all believe they're working regardless of the crazy transmission rates which seem to favour the vaxxed. I question my sanity!
The logical end of that kind of thinking is that when jabbed people die of Covid, as is happening a lot, they will be able to say that they would have been even deader without the clot shot.
Ha! But they only reduce the probability, they’re not perfect you know 😄
Yeah, my fully vaxxed sister almost died from the rona, but is fully convinced that the vaxx saved her
Agree. I am vaccine free and just finished omicron with no more than a headache but I am apparently “lucky” because they know some people who got really really sick.
> Most people I know who are vaccinated and then got infected (I know many people like that) firmly believe that the vaccine is what allowed them to weather the infection.
I think it depends on whether they thought they were getting sterilising immunity. Most people probably think the vaccines give lifelong sterilising immunity, because that's how most vaccines work. People - again, this is probably most people, I suspect - who think this and get infected anyway will be annoyed. These people are probably not loyal to a party line, they're just assuming these vaccines work like every other vaccine they've ever gotten.
By contrast, these people you know who think "I got infected but thanks to my vaccination I survived" are people who are loyal to the official party line, because the official party line, for now at least, is that vaccines don't prevent transmission, but they do reduce severity.
The main reason to get vaccinated, promoted heavily, was to protect granny. Vaccination rather than being about personal protection, became a civic duty. For the first time in history medical staff are being obliged to be vaccinated not to protect themselves from diseases carried by patients, but to protect patients from them.
I think the fact that vaccinated are just as likely to transmit as unvaccinated - a fact, ironically, now being promoted to justify mask mandates for all - is most likely to bring home to folks the absurdity, not least dishonesty, of what they have been told and railroaded into doing. It is particularly fuelling resistance to vaccine passports as they can be no guarantee the the holder will not transmit the virus, so what is their public health benefit?
In fact even with passes, in some places masks are still required plus negative tests. The absurdity is inescapable for all except the most obdurate.
I am furious about all these vaccinated hypocrites, who've been KNOWINGLY taking flights all over Europe in the last few weeks while sick with Omicron. Because the triple vaxxed don't need to present a negative test on certain flights. And I'm not even counting the ones that are driving across Europe because for their particular flight they needed a negative test, and were unable to produce one because they had Omicron.
Don't get me wrong, I am fully supportive over everyone achieving herd immunity as quickly as possible. But them telling ME how important it is to be vaxxed makes my blood boil.
It may all have started out as a public health issue, but it soon became political. Vax passes have no validity when they are no guarantee the holder cannot transmit the virus. It is openly acknowledged that vaxxed, even triple vaxxed can transmit too. And there you have the absurdity. A non-infectious unvaccinated person cannot travel, but an infectious vaccinated with Pass can travel. How anyone can still say vaccination is protecting others, and the passes are necessary to stop spread, is beyond reason and logic. So it’s all about control.
no kidding
in my former county of Cook, IL You can enter anywhere with tempature of 103 but a vaccine passport
Yes, it’s a joke. You just buy the vax pass and you’re all set. I just personally believe the cost of that pass may be a lot more than people expect (but for now we - the unvaxxed - seem to be the losers)
I suggest that all people watch the movie “don’t look up“. Yes people are convinced of lots of things that don’t make sense. Like getting the seasonal flu shot which is really quite worthless. What people need to realize is that their ability to withstand any type of viral infection depends upon the health of their immune system. As in the movie don’t look up it was clear that people were being duped! Don’t look Up is a perfect metaphor for what’s clearly right in front of your face! that is the health of the American people along with many other industrialized nations is extremely poor. The reason for that is super clear. All you need to do is to go to Walmart or your favorite store that just sells junk, that would be food stores that sell piles of worthless food. The way to get out of this is for people to realize that they themselves are responsible for their own health! Time to wake up and transform into a new reality. It couldn’t be any more clear right in front of everyone’s face!
I think I can see that movie on Netflix. Will definitely check it out. Can't see it in a movie theater because I haven't got a vaccine passport. Your point about being responsible for your own health is something I have always believed in and have done in my life. And if you look at the long line ups for all the fast food chain outlets, it's no wonder people are so unhealthy.
Better yet, watch "Midnight Mass"; a story that is all about self-deception, rationalization, cult mentality and not being able to see what is right before your eyes. Artists (true ones, not those falsetto Scots) often get a jump on the zeitgeist, and both Midnight Mass and another seemingly clairvoyant show called "Utopia" are prime exhibits of that presagement.
Sadly I agree and the many of us who didn’t get it and got c and now have natural immunity (which recognizes all c viruses because they are similar and doesn’t have to be specific like the vax’s are, yah, God knew what He was doing). The ones vaxed who got c say the vax kept them alive so everyone is still in their proverbial corners. Because of the fact we can’t get or discuss true numbers of deaths and autoimmune issues that will be with the vaxed for their short lives, we will never make believers out of them until they are faced with their own mortality, and even then they will deny it was the vax that is killing them. There is just no talking to them.
Yes, I agree that natural immunity is God's gift to us. Too bad America, Australia New Zealand, Canada and others don't recognize this immunity. After listening to too many talking heads on the US Sunday news show, Wallensky, et al....it stuck me that their claim that the Vaxx shield us from severe illness is anecdotal. They don't give any data (science!) to back up this claim other than what they see in the hospitals. I get why many will take that side of the gamble. But as Virus' continue their journey through this world, they mutate and get milder. Anecdotally, this could also be why many are not experiencing the severe illness we saw in the beginning of this fiasco.
To quote a line from a favorite song by Joe Ely. "They say a fool never knows what he misses. And a wise man never misses what he knows."
Watching the Idiocracy dowse themselves in gasoline and set themselves on fire has been a joy. Sane people need to assure that these lunatics are put in straitjackets and never allowed to work in public office ever again.
And be tried for their offenses against their fellow human beings.
don't hold your breath!
I have come to the conclusion that roughly 25% of Western populations are forever damaged from this travesty. They are going to hyperventilate when they read about any virus in the future...no matter how mild it is. I spoke to a neighbor yesterday who I hadn't seen for 2 weeks. He said the family had covid. Both parents are teachers. He said it was lucky they got the booster shots otherwise it would have been worse. I just smiled and gave him the Thomas Sowell line: "As compared to what?" ....he had no answer and the mental gymnastics going on in his head were Olympic level from the look on his face. These are broken people. I doubt very much we will ever bring them back to reality. I just think if they want to hide in the basement, they should be able to do so. But leave the rest of us alone to do our thing.
there already were some like that. I have a few (former) friends who run to the doctor for every vaccine available. If there were one for ingrown toenails they would get it. They get 4 or 5 a year, some very painful, for sicknesses that I don't even think about. Mom had shingles a few years ago. She had some rash and that was it. You want to take 2 very painful injections (that are leaky too) to avoid ever getting that? You might not even get it in a lifetime ! I think vaccinations are total nonsense for most sicknesses, that can easily heal by themselves. Only a few are so severe, you might take a jab if you run the risk of getting them.
The times when I might take a jab are gone for good. Last time I did, very reluctantly, was some 15 years ago, for the snows of Kilimanjaro. It was worth going, but now I wonder whether there will be a price to pay.
Me too. And we're not the only ones. Some wit on Twitter (a chemistry professor) wrote that this whole episode has made him a "full-blown anti-vaxxer."
This is a very dangerous time. People, with good reason, have lost faith in institutional authority which has suppressed freedoms under the guise of controlling coronavirus.
Me too. I’m embarrassed I didn’t look into anything regarding childhood immunisations for my kids just trotted them off to the doctors. This whole thing has been quite a rude awakening
There’s nothing wrong in that. We can’t all be awake to every possible scam and nefarious plot for ever. I’m old school so trusted Doctors implicitly all my like until recently. Actually it was Aspartame poisoning that startled me into heavy cynicism.
Put it this way, would you EVER again trust a doctor saying "It's just a flu vaccine?" From now on, I want to see the labels of all these vaxxes and do a few hours research before letting him do his stuff. And even then, I'd probably say no. Hospitals and doctors' surgeries are now for me what the UK Workhouses were for my Victorian ancestors: places to be avoided at all cost.
Mine are 15 years or so ago, when I came to the US. You have to get the shots or you don't get a green card. 7 at once. Luckily so far so good, but now and then I think about the nose allergies I have now, that I did not have before, sneezing over perfumes etc. May be unrelated, maybe not... who will tell. At least I am alive. And that were the last ones for me too. I hate needles to begin with. I have enough of them in the sewing room !
Where did we get the idea that human beings should never be sick? That seems to be the aim now
it seems the medical world had the idea that with more vaccines youth would be healthier. If you watched Vaxxed, or read one of several books like Farmacology, you know that is not right. Vaxxed children usually are in poorer health than unvaxxed ones, and mothers who had the childhood diseases give antibodies to their babies. Just like antibiotics destroy your gut bacteria, vaccines seem to interfere with your natural immune system. Let us just hope that the vaxxed kids recover theirs.
I like to tell people that death and illness were a 'thing' before covid....this isn't anything new.
i just realized today that my Moms shingles were likely vaccine induced (1990's)...at least I get it now....and she had them baaaad, really....we are so culturally blind to vax damages...but waking to it...
A friend had them bad. Her doctor advised her take the shots. 2 weeks later she had shingles. First adverse reaction on the tab : shingles. Mom had them very mildly, just a rash.
count me in those 25%. I am totally damaged and disillusioned about the state of the western democracies - politicians, media, science, NGOs, you name it, jumped in and just nullified our INALIENABLE rights and vilified everybody who dared to raise any concerns. Even close friends and family got hypnotised and just plain refused to hear obvious counterarguments.
Assuming the covid travesty subsides now, which is far from sure, if we do not clean this mess really thoroughly and implement some checks and balances the situation will repeat rather soon. It will be based on a mild but vastly exaggerated crisis - energy, environment, another virus, financial meltdown , you name it.
But how? There is no vaccine for dumb
Agreed. This was always there in society. We could never see it before. These people are damaged from constant barrages of climate this...apocalypses that...they are done.
In retrospect, it is pretty obvious that a society that worships the Kardashians and is obsessed with sports, useless consumption and watching TV was never going to come out of this well.
That’s really one of the sad things about this pandemic
To be fair, climate change issues will never be addressed. It would require an overhaul to our economic system and reductions in energy consumption. This is an untenable proposition.
Insoluble if you mean by deliberate planned actions, I would tend to agree. The simple vagaries of human nature alone argue against any global solution. Rarely, if ever, will an individual, much less a large group or nation, sacrifice its self-interest for the "greater good," especially of unknown people far away. To expect otherwise is a delusion of idealists and a fantasy on par with any of the heavenly promises of religions. But the problems will be "solved," perhaps in ad-hoc, chaotic or (worst case) catastrophic fashion. The world's reliance on fossil fuels is ultimately untenable, of course. But they won't run out all of a sudden. They will gradually get scarcer until not affordable or alternatives are found. Current "green" energy plans aren't really all that feasible when all costs are considered. But they, or newer tech, might eventually become cost competitive. Or we just collapse into something resembling a dark ages and revert to primitive existence.
War is a rare situation where large numbers of people (mostly male) will sacrifice themselves for the "greater good" or whatever reason their leaders give them. Along the way, they end up killing plenty of civilians.
Unfortunately we are losing a war with evolutionary imperatives: to procreate and fill all available habitat. As technological mammals, we are still on the same path, and moving swiftly. We may be the first species on this planet to ask if our growth is sustainable, yet our behavior continues.
Green energy infrastructure that is dependent on fossil fuels is unsustainable. 8 billion high energy lifestyles are unsustainable. Something has to give in this equation.
The downward slope of the Seneca curve will determine the outcome. There will still be oil in the ground, but civilization as we know it will be gone. Nobody will care if fusion reactors are just ten years away from being commercially viable.
Discussing our less-than-Star Trek future is as taboo as questioning vaccine policy.
I agree: I have always been a subscriber to the 'cock-up-theory' of history: I don't think anyone planned WW1 for example, I think it was also: "driven far more by pathological social/cultural ennui ": the lethargy and blindness of the masses.
Chiming in uninvited: the Big Conspiracy idea fails at a very basic level:
The power and control required to implement a succesful plan for world domination, is the power and control required for world domination.
Or in other words, if you actually can do it you have already done it.
Smaller conspiracies, like price fixing cartels, sweeping media censorship, cutlure war in academia and so on are of course a different kettle of fish.
And of course: any organised system containing lots and lots of secret deals (or simply appearing that way by dint of its size and scope) will fulfill the criteria for a conspiracy - look no further than the EU. It is completely impossible for any one single human to have more than the most general actual knowledge of its workings.
And yet 99% of it is completely public. But who could read something like the treaty of Lissabon, full text, on their own?
That's why we want a conspiracy á la Blofeld and co. It's a lot easier to grasp.
Yes and no. If you mean a conspiracy theory in the sense of a dozen Bond villains laughing loudly and smoking big cigars in a room, then no. However, the Wuflu hysteria has undoubtedly been used by many of the big players to further their agendas, whether depop, digital control of simply bigger bucks. And what about Schwab and Gates? They've told us very plainly what they are going to inflict on us, so it's not unnatural to think there might be a Big Conspiracy behind it all.
Almost all major historical events are sort of viral: the tragedy of Rwanda for example , or the appalling McCarthy Era witchtrials: people don't usually plan this stuff, what happens is that the herd start to panic and all run in the same direction from fear: you don't need a devious Leader, all you need is a sufficient mass of scared lemmings or wildebeestes, and hey ho, you have a stampede.
Your observation is very insightful. For anyone who's ever lived, or even traveled a bit in the "Third World," these cultures generally are poorer, more informal, more chaotic. Yes, they often lack the amenities that we Westerners consider "necessities," but in return, they of necessity are naturally adapted to a less predictable world. They've rarely known anything else. In many respects, they have a more realistic world-view.
I certainly hope you're right. I'm in the prison state of Canada and a health minister has just floated the idea that vaccines will soon be made compulsory. They're not giving up easily.
The small prosperous Anglosphere countries (Australia NZ Canada) got so high on the early worldwide praise they received for their "success" that the denial stage of their failure seems to be ragging on for a lot longer.
To be fair not many countries even the USA are acknowledging failure. In fact many seem to be doubling down now. More jabs more masks etc. In Australia we have let it rip and our cases are off the charts. Well some states have. Others are still closed and locked down. The reaction to this is quite hilarious. They’ve definitely let the cat out of the bag now though, be pretty hard to turn this around.
We are all very lucky that we can find it hilarious. As unlucky as it may feel sometimes. Others have just been permanently mentally damaged.
Is that just in your part of Australia? Because we hear some disturbing news from Australia about forced quarantine, etc.
Yes just my state. Other states here are horrifying. Although a lot of people in the closed off states look at mine and are horrified. They feel so good they are being kept safe and everyone in my state is going to die.
Me too, in Canada and me too, hoping eugyppius is right. I saw that headline in the CBC news yesterday about the idea of mandates (to be implemented by the provinces), and another headline there about someone sneaking ivermectin into the hospital in a stuffed toy animal. The attitude taken in the article was 'dear me, some people are really crazed - and will try to sneak in this dangerous drug - doctors and nurses need to be on high alert to watch out for this kind of thing!'
So bizarre... HCWs are supposed to be BLOCKING a non-dangerous, non-addictive, likely life-saving medication from coming into a hospital! And the media supports this perspective!
Meanwhile our highest death toll in younger men (well, under 60 - although it's growing in the 60s too) in this province (BC) is from overdoses, and I just finished watching Dopesick (highly recommend). That's where a huge proportion of our excess deaths is happening. Everything is upside down!
Precisely, everything else is being ignored and sacrificed in the utterly futile attempt to control a contagious respiratory virus. Well, if you see it for what it really is, the attempt to line the pockets of Justin Trudeau, the Premiers and Health Ministers, and subjugate the population.
https://drtrozzi.org/2022/01/08/urgent-5-minute-action-justice-for-justin/
Thank you for sharing this, amplifying it, please every Canadian reading this take the time to do this before Monday. Suzanne Coles is bringing criminal charges against Justin Trudeau for his hate speech against the unvaccinated. All you have to do is download a document, replace the relevant portions with your information, and email it to her. I did it this morning, it only takes 5 minutes, please every Canadian do it as well.
Instead of scanning, I took a photo of the document and attached it to Suzanne Cole's email. That seemed to work well.
You shouldn't have to do either, the document I used was a word doc that you can just modify. I didn't read that post far enough to see the file, I got it somewhere else.
Good to know. I'm not very tech savvy!
I am getting nowhere with my iPad. My desktop is at work. Help!
Wish I could sign this... am Canadian born but no longer living there. Imagine not being allowed to enter the country of your birth because you are the new class of the unclean... a leper of the 21st century. Jesus, it's like 14th-century thinking.
I feel your pain Pamela. I was told not to come home for my father's funeral due to vaccine status (of zero). He was "fully vaxxed" and died of Remdisivir and ventilation - not Covid. These 21st century Paradoxes are indeed similar to the Middle Age witch trials........ I guess that will be recognized in 700 years, or already has been recognized by AI. Makes one very uneasy with everything that is going on.
Enter OR leave!
Our prime minister, the trust-fund brat, has vilified the unvaxxed and wondered if the vaxxed should put up with it.....he's going in a dangerous direction.
It’s odd, everything I read and hear about Canada over the last few years has painted the darkest picture. Used to be a sublime place in my imagination.
I feel the same way about Australia, like whoaaaa wtf happened? Democracy to fascist police state complete with camps in the blink of an eye.
Dopesick was awesome! Definitely written by someone who’s eyes are open.
Another Canuck here, granted I'm in exile in England (thank god) but I must say I doubt he's right about this. Canadians are the most smug and self-righteous people on earth and they'll likely never back down.
In addition to this it's clear that the Canadian healthcare system is on the verge of total collapse. This is something that is frankly unfathomable to cdns as it's their religious totem of utmost importance. Expect insane things to happen in the attempts to deny the obvious reality developing before them.
"Religious totem of utmost importance." 😂😂😂 That's apt. During a recent conversation with someone he said the hospitals are overrun and I replied, "Who cares? This has been the case in Quebec for decades. Mostly during flu season, but also every other day of the year." I thought one more patient would be admitted for a coronary event he was so shocked. 😅
Yes, I went to the ER with the flu back in 2009 and was stuck in the hallway because the hospital was so full of flu patients there was no room. This was in Toronto.
I am unsurprised. Ontario is marginally better than QC too. Even in the nineties in Quebec the delays were outrageous. Prior to Endless Government Dungeon my 4 year old choked on and aspirated a cashew. We waited for hours at pediatric emerge, went home to sleep, and returned the following day-she needed a bronchoscopy and was in intensive care following the procedure for chemical pneumonia. When I was induced to give birth it was delayed and then the medications were "Paused" during the induction for several hours because the staff were overwhelmed and couldn't get the anesthesiologist to other patients in time for them to have pain management. 10 years ago I took care of a family member who required complex care yet in 6 weeks in hospital never got a bed in oncology. At one point he was in the hallway and at another point he was put in obstetrics. The only people who believe this system was decent prior to medical tyranny are either fanatical leftist ideologues or those who have never spent any time in our hospitals.
Or American senators
A story from BC:
Two months ago, I was given a 6% raise for doing a "fantastic job" (my boss's words, not mine).
This week, I was fired for being unvaccinated.
I've worked for this company in a variety of engineering roles for about 13 years, and am now in my mid-50s. My most recent job was in Sales, which in normal times involves frequent travel, so you can see the problem. I couldn't continue in that role without unduly burdening my teammates. Fair enough.
But the company has a number of unfilled positions, including one of my former jobs there. This position has been advertised for over two months now. Easy solution, right? Well, no.
The company has instituted a vaccinated-only policy for the building, so that people can feel "safe", in the words of our HR Manager. This job would require me to work in the building, rather than remotely, as I'd been. So the only solution was to let me go.
Never mind that BC has its highest case count ever, 83% of which is double-vaccinated. Never mind that the double-vaccinated are now the majority of hospitalizations. Never mind that there is now no rational reason whatsoever to discriminate against the unvaccinated. Coronachan will only be appeased by sacrifice, apparently.
i'm getting let go soon for my vac status too. Even though I had covid (Delta version I guess, given what was dominant at the time) back in Sept, and have been writing long emails to the CEO and to HR... I've gotten nowhere. Although they are fairly unresponsive, oddly, they aren't acting very fast to get rid of those of us who aren't complying. They don't want to lose the staff I suppose, so that's why the foot-dragging. But I'm so disillusioned by and have lost so much respect for the institution I work for that I'm more than ready for them to just tell me not to come in. I'll go be a dishwasher for a while perhaps... And then learn to forage in the woods? Who knows where this is all going!
I'm not far off from 50 myself! Are you in Canada too?
🇨🇦Same. To note some old folks in Toronto are getting shot #4. I have a bit of schadenfreude lately watching all the vaxxed folks unable to use their VIP passports to eat, play hockey or work out as they are all closed to everyone!
Yes, I think that is causing some people to wake up - I did everything you asked me to in order to gain my "freedoms" and now I have lost them again - hopefully this makes more people start to question.
Some. Just don’t go reading the comments section over on CBC.ca. You’ll run to the nearest bridge and jump. I made this mistake yesterday when hit on a link to the CBC article about forcing vaccines. … Just went on a mad posting spree and stayed away from bridges. 😐
Yes we're not at the point of critical mass waking up yet. But some are, and we can only hope and pray more do. Your posting is crucial, Mattias Desmet says it's important for us to keep speaking up to keep the psychosis from deepening.
Is the CBC still deleting comments that violate their misinformation guidelines?
Yes. Even deleted the link to Ontario Covid Data tracker which showed it was the vaxxed not the unvaxxed clogging up hospitals
Oh I don't know. I stay well away from the propaganda outlets, nothing truthful to be found there. I wouldn't be at all surprised though.
Every time I feel like creating an account to post my views I stop. I don’t need the stress. And besides arguing on the internet is futile. Gettr is better but I do need to prune the following list a bit. Some are just plain nuts.
As Charles McKay said way back in 1841 about the madness of crowds, the sheep only come back to sanity one by one.
It will collapse on them very soon. The testing and the vaccines are all lies. The tests and vaccines don't work.
Articles on the CBC are repeating those lies as we speak. They're completely shameless.
So are Supreme Court judges
I tried to be skeptical of the idea of mass formation, but actually coming down with a very mild case of covid myself (as an unvaccinated person) killed my skepticism. And it's what makes me decidedly less optimistic about omicron's potential to break through the brick wall (which I describe below).
When confronted with the mild case of covid I suffered, I have received the question, "Now do you regret not getting the vaccine?" as well as condolences on the suffering I endured. "But," I say flabbergasted, "I did not suffer. I had a runny nose. I had milder symptoms than in many 'breakthrough cases.'" But it is like there is a brick wall between my explanations and the reasoning mind of the person to whom I speak, and I am groping for the door without being sure that one exists.
My son and I (vaccine free) just got over our Covid with a slight temperature and a headache. My double vaxxed sister still calls me every day how are you? I think she’s expecting us to fall drastically ill again suddenly
You can take the nationalsozialists out of Germany, but you can't take the nationalsozialist out of Germans.
“At the moment of truth, when other nations rise spontaneously to the occasion, the Germans collectively and limply collapsed. They yielded and capitulated, and suffered a nervous breakdown. The result of this millionfold nervous breakdown is the unified nation, ready for anything, that is today the nightmare of the rest of the world.”
—Sebastian Haffner, “Defying Hitler”
Gee whizz, what could have possibly caused this? I just can’t imagine.
That might be a more interesting comment if so many other countries and States hadn't also been flirting with all-in totalitarianism, indeed several far more so than D-land.
Indeed, the affliction is universal these days since the mass formation psychosis has been unleashed on a global scale.
Oh, the popular psychology de jour.
Just because it’s recently gone viral due to Malone’s Rogan interview doesn’t mean it’s invalid. I have been exposing the dangers of mass hypnosis since my first Substack article last year (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/a-primer-for-the-propagandized). This is a phenomenon that has been documented for millennia, from Machiavelli to Étienne de la Boétie to Joost Meerloo to Gustave Le Bon and now, most recently, Prof. Mattias Desmet. It is not the sole ingredient in this global clusterf*ck we have been subjected to, but it is the mechanism by which much of the machinations have been achieved.
Is it popular because it is being pushed by bad actors, or is it popular because it is providing a plausible explanation for why so many are being manipulated into clearly nonsensical and harmful behaviours?
I think it’s popular because it’s easy.
Yes but they went hardcore fast.
They are behind NZ, Australia, Canada and Austria. It is debatable if they are all that different from many US blue States and jurisdictions like certain parts of NYC, California, Chicago and so on, not to mention micro-jurisdictions like place of employment many of which have been firing thousands for not being jabbed, or the US Army which rejects constitutionally valid exemption applications, both religious and medical. So no, sorry, it's just a cheap insult, one which Eugyppius, as a German, has been indoctrinated to applaud just as Whites in America are now being indoctrinated to self-loathe.
Misunderstood your comment. Deleted my response when I got it.
According to the Government Stringency Index on govt-imposed restrictions under Covid, Germany is the second most hardline country in the world after Fiji. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-stringency-index
Hmm... so they have corona detention facilities like in Australia and NZ? Do they make you stay in hotels for 10 days on arrival at your cost with lousy food they choose for you? My son is German and lives there and doesn't experience much of the things reported in the press so we have been puzzling over this wondering what the real situation is. Perhaps it varies greatly from Bund to Bund? That said, he can work at home as a professional programmer - they do most facetime interfacing by zoom now apparently - so maybe doesn't have a good picture of what it's actually like.
One private survey he did which bolster Eugyppius' view is that recently he canvassed all friends and family and was unable to find one single person in that group that was concerned by potential mandates. He found that very depressing and in fact we have been discussing his leaving Germany for good. But with a wife and two young children this is clearly not desirable. That said, it IS getting scary.
But if the Germans are culturally predisposed to this as Eugyppius and others here seem to be saying, then it deserves far more scrutiny. Since 1945 they have been bludgeoned with what happened in WWII and have been indoctrinated at school and media about it incessantly. A country more averse and ashamed of fascist tendencies probably doesn't exist. But if it still does exist as the comment above intimates and Eugyppius liked, then how?
My son's survey might provide a clue. It seems that people care little or nothing for independence of thought and action. Maybe they have been so bullied since the War that they are now more prone to fascism than other populations? I don't know, but I feel that what is going on has more to do with deliberate manipulation. And we are seeing that populations all over the world are depressingly easy to manipulate. Perhaps it is more so in Germany because they are a very well socialised people, disciplined, respectful, sane, and have not developed sufficient cynicism to appreciate just how much they are being lied to since the people are generally honest and well-intentioned and assume their political class is as well.
Good news: Austria has pushed their Feb 1st deadline to April 1st. The world is pushing back. Hopefully they delay in Germany too.
I'm in Germany and went to join an anti-vax mandate protest earlier this week. This one was not downtown but in a sleepy neighborhood of the city that you might characterize as petit bourgeois. Did not know anyone there, listened to a couple of impassioned speeches while a smattering of counterprotesters tried but failed (due to insufficient decibel levels) to disrupt. "We" were about 150, counterprotesters maybe ten. Then we marched past row houses and apartment buildings, a guy up front with a mic and a boom box exhorted the neighbors to join us. A few came down to ask questions, others leaned out of windows and bellowed in outrage, furious that we were even allowed to protest. Some 30 cops kept an eye on us along the route, more were stationed at nearby choke points.
I had feared the worst from the police, in light of the brutality they have shown to protesters in Berlin, but I have to say on this evening they were polite and restrained. I chose not to wear a muzzle, unlike maybe half of the other protesters and in spite of a warning from an organizer, but the police did not bother me nor any of the other non mask wearers; I did take care to stay six feet apart from everyone though.
Yesterday I checked my nextdoor app, and it was about as bad as you would expect. Lots and lots of "upstanding citizens" ranting about Nazis, Nazis, Nazis, anti-vaxxers, ignoramuses, granny killers. I think I have well-tuned sensors for detecting Nazis, did not see even one in the protest. Nor, to be fair, did any of the counter-protesters strike me as such. Judging by speeches, clothing, hairstyles, general demeanor I would characterize most protesters as former (or maybe even presently still) Green voters and maybe an equal contingent of apolitical "want to be left alone to life their live" types, while the counters appeared to be the type who vote social democrat or "Left party".
Didn't matter to the mob on nextdoor. Waves of white-hot anger and, yes, hatred came rolling at me from my smartphone. I noticed a few brave souls (curiously, all women) trying to offer an alternative viewpoint -- not necessarily defending the protesters, but pleading for civil discourse instead of demonization -- but they were cybershouted down.
The Government Stringency Index considers nine parameters; obviously there is a subjective element in how they are chosen and weighted, so I don't have an immediate answer for you why they put Germany near the top but not Australia. I feel like I'm living in a dystopia, not only because I am limited to supermarket / doctor / pharmacy and excluded from everything else as an unjabbed pariah, but because my income as a small business person has been decimated while pensioners, civil servants and the laptop class shrug and demonstratively show me zero empathy.
Thanks. It's so great to hear actual report from the ground. It seems that Germany is about the same as most countries which are in different phases and different levels of intensity but most - the developed ones in the West at least - are being bullied by their governments and 'deep state' power networks to subject themselves to vaccination and then along with that some sort of digital pass system to enjoy access to various things. The pass system seems to me to be the desired end result of this entire exercise because it explains the extraordinary pressure. The mass formation business - which seems basically valid - does nothing to explain why this state is being engendered (deliberately or as an unintended side effect), i.e. why are 'they' doing this to everyone?
In any case, I feel that as a society we have done a very bad job of feeling empathy for so many whose lives have been disrupted, financially compromised or ruined, family ties fractured, sense of a good life with a good future broken and so forth. The ease with which people slide into shoehorning everything into whether or not there is a pandemic, whether or not we can get medicines like HCQ and Ivermectin, whether or not we get jabbed, whether or not there should be mandates is depressingly alarming. There is so much more going on that matters to all of us and yet there is little collective awareness, let alone discussion.
To me this means that our civilisation has many pre-existing comorbidities and is ripe for pathogenic infection which might quite likely prove mortal. If we were strong cultures then this sort of thing couldn't have unfolded.
Leaving the great irony: we do indeed NEED a Great Reset. We should not wish to go back to the Old Normal for it was weak and corrupt and has given birth to the current totally corrupt whatever-it-is (autarchy?). No, we need a reset. But I see little evidence we are capable, as a society, nations or civilization, to effect a good one. The other irony is that this reset will indeed have to take place on a global level. But one way will enforce mass centralization of authority and a much better way would have something more multipolar, multijurisdictional, multinational, multicultural and yet with international connections and solidarity for what we are going through now is indeed a world-wide dynamic.
Interesting times....
Your comments about being "bludgeoned" post-1945 are very interesting. By whom? About what? Yes, bad events transpired in the 1930s and 40s and Germany had a hand in them. But as they say, history is written by the winners. To suit their own purposes. And not necessarily a rigorous treatment of events as they really happened. In fact, in many nations, it remains a crime punishable by imprisonment to even question the official histories. Such a prohibition against asking questions is almost unheard-of in the modern world. Did those who imposed such draconian laws really think that it might not have unintended consequences?
It is not only the subjugated -- that is the only valid term -- German people that have been so treated. On a variety of topics and for various possible motives, many peoples have been lied to, deceived, and manipulated for generations. You thought that only existed in totalitarian regimes? Think again.
Well, I don't think I need to answer your opening question. You seem to have a good grasp on it.
Your comment helps raise awareness of two very different, though equally pernicious, strains in society, namely totalitarianism versus subjugated/manipulated populations. The two things can be coexistent but not necessarily so, and in any case there are different degrees of control/manipulation/deception. What we seem to be seeing is a push towards a more overtly totalitarian order which will depend upon getting the population herded (without immunity!) into the same states of mind at which point they are subject to crowd control mechanisms. It is this groupthink aspect that separates mass formation per se from a merely deceived population (like America since around 1912).
I have not studied this mass formation business in depth. Desmet's initial presentations about the four prerequisites are interesting and insightful but he has not yet addressed important issues like: how is this sort of thing maintained? how steered over time?
My intuition is that mass formation doesn't last all that long in most situations where it arises. That said, North Korea proves the exception to that rule (if indeed it is one). Once mass formation is achieved you have a certain amount of time to steer its population into a desired end and then? Where does it go from there? Not very far, I suspect, because the leadership class for whom this sort of reality is appealing are, though no doubt above average IQ types at the top, rather narrow-minded materialists spiritually speaking with an ultimately nihilistic view of life, spirit, intelligence, emotion. Their world order will self destruct sooner or later.
I also think there is more than one mass formationed population. The society is becoming multiple personality. First they traumatize us all, then they herd us into different media enclaves. Someone posting about mass formation on youtube is likely to get cancelled there but they simply go over to Rumble or whatever. People increasingly get their news and world view from self-curated sources. The patriot population who believes that the progressives are about to end the world as we know it is as close to mass formation (not all but many of them) as the progressive populations who believe that the neanderthal conservatives want to usher in a new patriarchy-based stone age with slavery, sexism, racism and all the rest of it. The point is that both populations are in an equally fractured, traumatized, isolated state and thus subject to being herded into mass formation albeit not by the same voices and sources. Gone are the days where all citizens live in the same country. Even in well socialized countries like Germany there are these increasingly fractured and mutually hostile populations as one side is becoming increasingly likely to be demonizing the other.
In the short terms, if the mass formation thesis becomes adopted by one population but anathema to the other, it will just become more fuel for the fire in the civilisation-ending dynamic now unfolding.
No easy answers - but of course there never are.
The autobahn project was already under way in the Weimar Republic, it's not in any way original to the Nazis. Your suggestion that Germany was not on the wrong path until "after around 1939" is abhorrent. Among other atrocities, the government passed the racially discriminatory Nuremberg laws in 1935, forced Jewish Germans out of their jobs, stole their wealth (the German economic boom was partially funded therefrom), and in 1938 staged a nationwide pogrom ("Kristallnacht") in which hundreds of Jews were murdered, with tens of thousands shoved into cattle cars headed for concentration camps, where hundreds more died soon after.
You are either trying to find justifications for the Nazi persecution of Jews (and other minorities) or you are woefully under-informed.
Apparently not! This has been an interesting observation about them and the Austrians.
“leading German Corona astrologer, Christian Drosten” 🤣🤣🤣
Omicron is doing what reason could not.
I hope my university comes to this point before I get fired.
I got Moderna last April, voluntarily. I'm over 40 and done having kids, didn't see too much downside. They mandated boosters just last week. It was obvious at the time of announcement that they will do nothing. We also got a post from the university president referring to "consensus science", they can't even call it science anymore.
Yes, I’m disgusted, my son being forced to booster for next semester! Idiots.
he shouldn't do it
He’s not!
A synonym for "consensus science" is "incestuous affirmation".
The 5 stages of grief - how apropos!
Yes, definitely!
Unfortunately my governor in CA is still in the early to mid stages, pushing boosters, deploying the National Guard to "help" at testing sites and mandating the shots for school children. And clinging tightly to his "Emergency Powers" for 2 years.
Jennifer didn’t understand why she’s thrice poisoned and “still can’t do anything”. Here’s a little hint, Jen. You were had. Taken in. Suckered. Defrauded of your future health. Poisoned for nothing.
Pro tip: gullibility isn’t a winning strategy.
I am sure she unleashed a torrent of white hot hate from "her side" too. Soon she'll have no choice but to pen an Atlantic op ed "I'm a woke liberal in every way really I just have this one vaccine reservation don't exile me"
Eloquent synopsis. I know an elder over 95 who is boosted, a lady of about 70 who is boosted and a friend about 45 who is boosted. I have had to let go of communicating with them; I simply cannot say much without betraying my understanding of what they have done voluntarily (sort of not but legally so really) to themselves. I also know from past experience that when I found out years ago my Mom had cancer, this news starts a process of dis-integration in those who love the cancer victim. I think its a form of a rabbit chewing off a limb that is caught in a trap...you start disassociating from the element you know may be dying to save your 'self' or your heart or such....so, I see this in myself, proportional to how many shots a person has had, 1, 2, 3 or 4, my need to let them....get sick and die if that's unavoidable. (It seldom is really but we still don;t know how to turn of spike production really and since its a clotting neurotoxin...) It's horrible to see this withdraw but human., animal.
Here in Scotland our maniacal public health authorities and authoritarian government love lockdowns and restrictions. But to quote a local saying “their gas has been put on a peep” by the non arrival of their predicted “Tsunami” of hospitalisations and deaths. Shroud waving about cases is no longer cutting through. There is ONE verified case of Omicron in ICU. However they always regroup and with the support of the MSM and a Parliament of seat warming cretins who will never get into the real data they will try. My guess is they’ll seek to use the Cameroon/Marseille variant. However we have the best policy lesson/ slap in the face we could wish for. The natural experiment with a much more restricted Scotland V a less restrictive England. Already this is showing that our outcomes in devolved nations are no better.
Great to get a Scotland update. We used to live there and loved it. However they do have a very collectivist mindset and this reaction was all too predictable.
Thanks Eric. I think many of us have had an earlier lesson in the authoritarian paternalism of the behavioural scientists, fitting with the controlling authoritarian politicians. They pay no heed to real evidence and those trained on the economic and statistical side of “behaviour”,are not being heard. However many have become pliant purveyors of received wisdom in a way that just started me and other critical researchers. Indepedendent researchers like inform Scotland are analysing the data and “data shaming” the likes of Leitch, who just makes things up on the hoof. However the media are just not capable of interrogating these chancers. As both Eugyppius and Matt Taibi have pointed out in their own way, a bit of data curiosity from the NSM would disrupt this whole facade, especially in Scotland.
"Bellacovidonia", nice pun on our utterly execrable independence movement "independent media" champions who've gone so far down the woke left-fascist-safetyist, SNP-clientelist drain they haven't been seen in serious politics for years.
If you look at the Travelling Tabby stats today, Omicron in Scotland /has clearly peaked/, and as you indicate, hospitalisations are still lower than during the Delta wave last Summer - when the NHS was apparently not "overwhelmed." Who is talking about this in the Scots media?! What's "overwhelming" our NHS then? Could it be that the shit-doesn't-stink SNP political class have been doing something quite similar to our NHS as the Tories have down south. Who knew that Jason Leitch ("a dentist") in fact only worked as a dentist for a year before inveigling himself with a US private healthcare thinktank (Institute for Healthcare Improvement). There's a warren of rabbit holes behind the facade of Nicola's Potemkin Village.
Not wrong Joshu’s dog. In contrast to the stats on Omicron as presented are to use that famous quote ‘not even wrong”. The continued Stonewalling by Sturgeon and her clique is being invalidated daily by the evidence of what is in effect a natural experiment.
OK, now I am starting to agree with Eugyppius that the off ramp is a possibility. The UK MSM is running with a story about an "anti vax" doctor having critical words with the health secretary re. the looming NHS mandates. Much like Soviet propaganda, this kind of thing doesn't get out by accident. Likewise the Guardian ran with a story headlined "NHS Urged to Drop Vaccine Mandate Due to Staff Retention Crisis." Pravda doesn't describe a thing as "urged" unless they want to frame that thing as thinkable, if not actually push it.
But I don't trust these bastards just because they're hesitating in front of the social dynamite detonator at the last minute. Something else is probably coming, or at least, it would be prudent to expect this.
>it would be prudent to expect this
And that's why our life is never going to be the same.
Well I suppose. Looking at it differently, "pandemic" is the new "war on terror", which was the new "looming nuclear holocaust", and so on. i.e. The convenient ever-mutating pretext that exists to whip the proles into line.
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I have a feeling that the scripts are strting to have the "jump the shark" flavor
It's a rollercoaster/tug-of-war, still very much boiling frogs like.
You have the likely staged Sky story with Dr. James and Javid to prepare their face-saving exit from the NHS mandate, which would certainly be a disaster, followed by the Times editorial clearly preparing the ground for a Euro style every day vaxx passport and total discrimination and apartheid.
I agree. We are headed for something like the Green Pass. They will start charging for testing, tell the vaxxed that their spreading SARS-CoV-2 is now no longer a problem and turn the entire narrative against unvaxxed "clogging up the hospitals." 99% of this will be fact-free, but the idea is that if you restrict the inconvenience to the unvaxxed demographic only, then that ceases to be a political liability. The flaw in the ointment is needing to fight the resistance of the vaccinated public to get boosted continually to maintain their inferior immunity.
There's a great danger of solidarity breaking out between those resisting boosters, side effect sufferers and the unvaxxed living under apartheid. One apparent strategy is to slow-boil the frog on boosters, with constant switch ups in messaging. "You don't need it, oh wait you do! It wanes oh wait it doesn't after shot X! Oh don't be silly you won't have to take it every three months! But so what if you need to take it every 3 months?" This kind of gaslighting, progressively-manipulating nonsense is what the herd have been trained to accept naturally passes for expert discourse.
Talk of the off-ramp could lead to major complacency, frankly.
„This is the first time since the Floyd riots in America, that major political leaders and public health authorities have said that preventing Corona can no longer be the highest goal of western society”. Why now? Because those major political leaders saw some secret polls among voters and know they're in for an awfully sobering fall from grace? Not that I'm under the spell of the movie Don't Look Up!, even though it does portray how mediocre leaders really make their decisions. I'm simply old enough to have seen it many times, at home and abroad.
In Romania we started today a 30-day extension of the 'state of alert', accompanied by the same pathetic restrictions, plus a blatantly infuriating new one: we are no longer permitted to wear textile or plastic masks, only surgical-type or FFP2, even though for two years now we've been repeatedly told that any type of mask was in order if it covers nose and mouth. So, our magnificent leaders kneeled down again in front of their bribery sources. (We use a much more obscene expression instead of simply 'kneel down', but I'll spare you that, we're among adults here, not teenagers.) An we must wear it AT ALL TIMES, both indoors and outdoors, even if we are alone in the street.
This morning I saw that most people complied, as I was the only maskless one in the underground trains, but in the street we were about half unmasked, half masked. My bet is that people will only start to make real noise and protest loudly in February, after the full shock of gas & electricity price raises will make itself felt on our pockets. Our leaders seem to be aware of that too, because my mother got a raise in her pension today.
But, since the Romanian government is usually taking its cue from Germany and the US, it also depends on how quickly the situation develops there.
For the time being, social media in Romania is still debating the Djokovic situation.
What is the punishment for not wearing a mask? How strictly does the police enforce this?
There's a fine between 100 euros and 500, depending on how serious the police think your threat to 'public health' is. I'm not sure how they are supposed to evaluate this threat. I guess it depends on how crowded the place is when they catch you or whether you look well-off enough to afford a heftier fine.
In my experience, police usually turn a blind eye on us, the maskless ones. Frankly, I am more worried about potential hysteroid types than police, those who are forever afraid everybody else is a danger to their precious persons. I hate scandal.
After spending the afternoon scouring the outskirts of town, looking for empty cans and bottles with a deposit on them to eke out what has become an almost non-existent income, ...(we found just over 3 Euros worth - there really is money on the streets - some people still have money to burn) reading this was so encouraging. Thank you.