After the innocent people who have been killed by the willful & neglectful actions of public health officials, bought-off politicians, big pharma & fake media, the single biggest casualty of the corona-scam has been the medical professionals. Never has a group of individuals in any profession so quickly & so absolutely torn down their credibility and revealed themselves to be monstrous idiots, with little, if any critical thinking skills. Thank God for the great ones right now.
Not just idiots, but rank cowards. They have had the thumbscrews turned by their medical handlers and would rather see others lose their jobs than theirs. They've been told to toe the line or else. Ignore the evidence. Push the vaccine. Don't look beyond the carefully orchestrated, fabricated, and sanitised scripts pushed out by the manufacturers and their bought patsies in government. Save for a few brave ones who still adhere to it, the Hippocratic Oath is well and truly dead.
I think the real problem is the fact that from day 1 at med. school they are taught germ theory and the miracle of modern medicine. The human immune system takes a back seat and as such they know very little about immunology/virology.
Diagnosis and treatment is now very much down to IT and modelling - probably by people as skilled as Ferguson.
Medics used to be taught that the biggest danger to the patient is what you don't know you don't know.
Look at the patient not the disease, per Hippocrates, has long gone.
Interesting, yes. I'm not too well versed in germ theory or what medics learn, so can't comment with too much confidence. Just seeing it from a patient's perspective and expectations. But perhaps this whole fiasco has really cast a stark spotlight onto the contrasts between allopathic vs non-allopathic medical approaches. On the one hand, a fixation on the complex, non-visible, molecular problems (with their targeted, synthesised pharmaceutical fixes and "inside-to-out" view), as opposed to seeing the overall person and the complicated interplay of both internal and external factors on the body and mind. Not that I don't think allopathic doctors try to do that, but the human body has been systematically chopped up and packaged into separate medical "specialisations" and we've got to the point where the metaphorical left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Perhaps it's intended to be more efficient, I don't know. But it certainly doesn't seem to be the case right now. The immunologists are too busy playing chemical-chemical and gene-gene and leaving the GPs and specialists to pick up the corporeal pieces. Or not, as seems to be the case. They just seem clueless and afraid in the face of molecular unknowns.
I've been shocked that so many so-called Doctors and other health care "professionals" have gone along with this madness without question. No research on their part, just towing the hospital admin line and listening to the pharma reps and sales people. It's disgusting. They should be held to a higher standard. I was hesitant about going to Doctors for routine stuff in the past and now... oh hell no! If there isn't a bone sticking out somewhere I refuse to go see one of these mad scientists who are obviously more worried about "losing their job" than doing the true right thing for their patient. The patient should come first period. Before their precious "licenses" or jobs. I've said before... I'd rather go trade a chicken or a dozen eggs to my local Shaman than EVER trust the health care system again. (And I agree... thank God for the great ones... I do know there are some out there)
I am a 5 year stage 3 cancer survivor, During my medical journey starting 2016 is when I started the great don't trust the white coat awakening. I encountered a very intelligent oncologist in a clinical trial, who suggested I read research on low carb, recommended I eat that way. She didn't force or shame, she put the ball in my court and I healed undiagnosed prediabetes( we arent screened for that in the US, even though I had all the signs). She was right, 40+ lbs gone, health parameters normal. I have since fought with many a primary care doc on this journey. In 2017, the jerk told me I was going to die in 2 years if I didn't go on statins. I told him,"when you research the normal blodd chemistries for a person who eats like me, then come back to me and we can have an informed discussion." I saw a ethical primary care doc at the county health department, when I told her I eat low carb, she congratulated me and told me to keep it up, she was bound by "protocol" to prescribe certain meds for certain blood chemistry levels, she told me to not fill the script and throw it out. That I was very healthy and she was sick and tired of seeing infants.& toddlers & up..infants! with type 2 diabetes and she wasn't allowed to instruct them how to correct it with diet, she had to stay to the protocol. She told me she was going to quit, I got a letter 2 months later saying she left the public health department. There are good, intelligent, ethical professionals, just have to hunt for them.
My primary oncologist, still doesn't acknowledge that I my diet change is an integral part of my healing and survival, as she complains to me about her weight gain, pains and health problems.
Don't blindly trust, read, learn, talk to many ppl, save yourself the med community is bound to protocol for their malpractice insurance and big medical corp signing their paychecks. I was told to go to a functional medicine primary doctor, struggling finding one on my insurance. But will self pay if I have to have any decisions made.
It’s amazing to me how many people who are “covid skeptical” are also low-carb and anti-statin. (Like me.) we lost our trust in public health and the medical establishment long ago.
I’m curious how low carb you are talking here. Are you keto? Under 100g/day? Under 50g? I do feel much better at lower carb levels, but I’ve noticed that too low and my immune system seems to become weaker—more prone to colds and bugs; at keto levels my heart starts into arrhythmias. I’ve also wondered if part of it is that so much of the junk in our diets is in the carbs (sugars and processed grains), so when we lower the carbs what we’re really doing is removing much of the junk and relying on whole foods (proteins, fats, plants), which are so much better for the body than the processed “fake” food.
In any case, good for you for taking on your own health and healing. Your story is inspiring and proof that we do not need to rely on medicine to be well.
I follow a carb conscious approach. I weaken every couple of weeks and have a great pizza ("00" is my refined white powder of choice). I think each person has their own set limit and you should be attentive to your body to find out what you best macro distribution is.
Have your ever read Newbold's books? Back in 80s, 90s, his book(s) advocated a variant of Atkins, I guess what is now called low-carb. If I recall correctly, Newbold claimed there were different body types, based on genetics, that responded optimally to different foods. For example, you might be optimized for more carbs, while another person should avoid sugars and starches. A common example of such genetic variation is lactose (milk) tolerance.
Our genes are extraordinarily complex, and everyone is different. But those differences are mostly insignificant. The important concept is genes are predispositions, not destiny. Genes are controlled by the cell's environment, and turned on or off in a process called gene expression. One of the strongest influencers of cellular environments is insulin, which is always generated by carbohydrate consumption. Everyone responds a little differently, partly because of genetic variations, but mostly because all of us treat our bodies differently. It's useful for each of us to learn how those factors operate on us.
Keep in mind we evolved to adapt to the environment we lived in. Most of our history was based on eating dead animals. Plants were used in season when the hunts failed. We always ate animals or plants, but not both together until recent creation of farming cultures produced bountiful foods of all types, all the time, without relying on the hunt or the season. We didn't evolve to eat both together, only one or the other. Plant foods cause some problems, but the big problems come from mixing them with animal foods.
Yes, exactly. The knowledge of the truth of this is slowly filtering out. Very slowly. But getting out.
I asked my doctor for Ivermectin. He didn't even know what it was. ( maybe six months ago now ). How alert was that? How in tune with medical progress, happenings?
And on that visit and some subsequent visits I learned a little of how medicine is practiced today in a world of internet and computers.
In a word: robotically.
We should have/could have seen it coming.
How to make your way through the bewildering flood of new drugs on the market?
How to stay abreast of latest medical developments, studies, results, counter studies?
How to stay abreast of government requirements, paperwork, procedures, billings etc?
How to avoid mis-prescribing and causing conflict between prescriptions?
How to avoid misdiagnosis with such a multiplicity of illnesses and a highly technical world where you can get 'found out' if you miss one?
How to know which diagnostic tests to order to help with diagnosis and prescription?
How to cover yourself in an increasingly dangerous world for a medical professional?
And at the same time grow your practice and your wealth to get where you always thought you were going to get when you started medical school?
You use the computer.
It can and will answer all of the above questions for you. Simply input your observations and order the suggested tests and follow the dots...
And I found that was what my doctor was doing. He 'could not' prescribe Ivermectin because he could 'only' prescribe according to the computer's display of govt guidelines. (since then our government has actively banned it!!)
And when I gashed my arm he spent more time taking photographs and measuring so that he could input exact information into the computer database than he did practicing medicine on me. i.e. for instance informing me as to proper wound dressing changing procedure.
They used to be magic witch doctors.
Then they became elevated individuals in possession of arcane knowledge and with high principles, selfless dedication, etc..
Agreed. Only comment I can add is to be extra wary of dealing with most medical professionals, at least in USA. Those that remain in the system have been "selected," i the sense that they are most likely going to offer the robotic services their handlers desire. This isn't to say that all such medical care is useless; far from that. But certainly if you can educate yourself, you may find the most helpful things that improve your health are what you can do yourself, indeed, perhaps ONLY you can do for yourself, as the diet example above illustrated.
I'm an ovarian cancer survivor and my take-away from that episode is that "their agenda is not your agenda". Though I could easily read the medical-journal articles that, for my stage and grade of cancer, indicated only a 2% improvement in 5-year mortality rate for those who underwent chemo vs. those who did not, in a study of 14 patients (!!), my gyn-onc refused to treat me if I didn't undergo chemo (which was a terrible ordeal for me). I felt as though I had a gun held to my head.. I am very ashamed I didn't have the strength at the time to stand up for myself.
I'll never forget the weasel-phrasing the doctor used: "If you take the chemotherapy, there's an excellent chance that you will be CURED, but if you have a recurrence, it will be FATAL." As though those two things followed from one another...
To add insult to injury, it was explained to me that the chemo was going to "mop up" any rogue cancer cells that might be roaming around my body independent of the encapsulated tumor they had removed. How did this particular chemo agent work? Ohhh.. just by breaking up small tumors and releasing the cells into the bloodstream and lymphatic systems. Well, all righty then!
The small minority that stood up and are standing up (America's Front Line Doctors, FLCCC, etc) are people who I respect greatly.
I heard an interesting interview with a doctor recently. He explained the behavior by the majority of his colleagues this way: evidence-based medicine that started in the 1990s has led to a plethora of medical guidelines. And if there is not an official guideline for something (e.g. early treatment ivermectin), they just won't do it.
My take - if they are tied to guidelines to this extent, aren't doctors somewhat obsolete? Get a nurse or a robot or whatever to do it.
On doctors: yes, they do not show courage. And yes, they follow protocols and only protocols. Why? Most doctors are now using EMR (Electronic Medical Records). This makes every decision they make part of their permanent record, which can and, in time, will be reviewed by peers as part of their performance evaluation. Plus, they are contracted to follow all the official procedures released by the Washington bureaucracy and various medical boards. It is coded into the workflows, so bypassing those is difficult- impossible for most doctors, who tend to not be literate in workflow systems in particular and IT in general. The unintended consequences of EMR.
Then the EMR process must be changed and improved.
Say a patient is convinced Ivermectin would work. Or the doctor wants to prescribe it. Isn't it possible for the patient to sign a paper stating something along the line of "I agree that this is not the recommended protocol and accept the consequences which doctor X made me aware of" ? This would relieve doctors from their responsibility and empower them to prescribe whatever they believe is best for the patient. Also, a list of all medications prescribed by all doctors to treat sickness X should be available online, together with the number of times such medication was prescribed. This will allow patients to check if the doctor is way off mark or is prescribing a drug with is outside of the recommended protocol, but has been prescribed often by peers. Society can do much better than we have today. It needs to change.
Same page, Rob. In fact, I would probably have a go at setting a bone break myself, at this rate! I knew that all was lost when I went to mine after my first (forced) jab. I had had minimal chest issues with Delta (no cough, just slight tightness at the extremity of breath) and was fully recovered, now suddenly felt like my lungs were wading through thick soup every time I took a breath. And that was just a week after taking the shot. Have had tightness ever since. Do you think she was worried? Not a chance. Brushed it off as a post-nasal drip and started berating me for not wanting to get the second shot. Gave the party line about recovered people not counting on their immunity and that "it wanes, you know". I didn't even bother to try and dissuade her, or tell her that I had actually taken the trouble to inform myself about the efficacy of prior-infection immunity. Told her that I would then just have to wane along with the vaccinated, then. That I'll just have to lose my job. There would be no help coming from her. And she had been the one to tell me I had strong antibodies from my full antibody test! That was now out the window. They got to her, alright. Zombie doctors now abound.
I don’t even go to doctors anymore since why would I pay to argue and be told I’m stupid? I won’t take meds or tests or get surgery, so what can they offer me?
Yep. What we need is access to their information. Their machinery. Essentially it belongs to us anyway. They use it for diagnosis, treatment, prescriptions, everything. We could do that 'doctoring' as well as they can many times, many times, even better perhaps.
We've got a hangover of the 'witch doctor' ethos, where he knowledge is arcane and holy, only for the ordained .
Nope. It is time for us to have adult access to adult systems.
Problem we seem to have is that this awakening is just beginning. As yet there simply are not enough 'adults' amongst us.
Not all are bad. We just need to become better at recognizing the difference. Good patients participate in their maintenance. See my stack for explanation.
"Safe and effective" is their favourite phrase. It's like they're all reading from the same page. Mass brainwashing. Amazing how these pet phrases start being parroted by everyone. They take on a life and "truth" of their own. But yeah - staying clear of doctors as much as possible from here on out.
“Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will.”
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
“This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it.”
“The truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.”
Yep. It has taken just two generations to forget. (Love your nom de plume, btw! Mine is after a Salem witch. I have cast a hex on those who mandated me.)
I feel sorry for those who took a jab, either on good faith or perceived coercion. I sympathize that being faced with job loss, travel or even shopping restrictions, etc. could be a motivator. But I fear these people have made a bargain with the Devil, and the bargain only lasts six months, but the side effects perhaps longer... 😟
Yep. I'm pretty much out of wows by now. Was told by a friend of mine that South African doctors have been given express instructions by their medical bodies that they may not say anything against the vaccine on pain of losing their licences. So no wonder.
I am curious to see how the medical profession fares, post-pandemic, if we ever REACH post-pandemic. So very many of us have totally given up on doctors, and there is nothing they can ever do to re-gain our trust. And btw, this made my day: "If there isn't a bone sticking out somewhere I refuse to go see one of these mad scientists..." I agree wholeheartedly.
Most people will continue to revere them, oblivious to the harm that has been wrought. Or willfully oblivious. None so blind, and all of that. They will write off the new niggles and pains as something else, unless there is some catastrophic event that they can't ignore. Even then, they'll justify it in order not to bear the discomfort of guilt - much like the parents who can't wait to get their children vaccinated and then, once harm is done, will righteously cite "an abundance of caution". Most people don't want to make difficult decisions or inform themselves. They just want someone to "tell them what to do". It absolves them of responsibility for themselves. The medical profession has failed. Doctors are meant to be acutely aware of the ethical implications, as well as informed consent around complex medical decisions. They are meant to make sure that they are aware of the risks, and help the patient to understand these. They have failed. Abysmally. Criminally. We have been hung out to dry. Some have managed to keep themselves clear of the coercion and lies, but many have not. There will be a reckoning.
On the flipside, it also makes it easier to identify a doctor whom you can trust; those who are willing to go against the narrative at risk of their own reputation and livelihoods. Doctors such as those associated with the FLCCC and AFLDS.
If I were a doctor I wouldn't take the 'risk'. In Aus it is no 'risk', it is a certainty. They make laws, tell you what to do, you break them you'll get struck off.
But I would resort to all kinds of roundabout anonymous ways of getting the truth out to people. All kinds of ways of making my feelings and understandings known. I have seen none of that.
There was a lovely substack article or comment I read earlier today, stating that doctors and researchers have generally become 'technicians'. They don't think, they do what they're told and follow a complicated script. They don't see the larger picture anymore, because they're but a small cog in a big machine. They have lost their independence - of thought, of action, of will.
I don't imagine it can stay like this for long. There is clearly a growing counter-culture of people who no longer trust the medical industry and how the doctors are behaving. Some doctors will respond in kind - there'll be a growth of independent 'wholistic' doctors, who are much more like the local doctors we used to have in our neighbourhoods. The women in my family already all go to the same 'wholistic' doctor in NZ who is apparently pointedly not pushing the vaccines, and has continually - even before the pandemic - been suggesting better diet to her patients.
The first time one of my medical professionals recommends I get the jab, he will have become my former medical professional. 😛 One MD I use has asked on two visits whether I had taken the jab. Not a recommendation for or against, but merely an inquiry. I like that.
Just heard from a good friend who works for an organ transplant team at a major hospital in a very blue state, that they will be turning down patients in need of an organ if they are unvaccinated. Most of the members (including the surgeon) of this team received exceptions from being vaccinated, and now are contemplating leaving their positions based on moral convictions. This team has repeatedly seen organs within donor bodies that are filled with blood clots and can not be used for donation. The surgeon has told his superiors, over and over again, falling on deaf ears. What is the "science" behind this decision of requiring patients who need an organ to be vaccinated? This drug has no long term studies done on it. How can they make such an over-reaching decision that will jeopardize people's lives? What if you have a deceased donor that is unvaccinated? are they going to not take the organs? Hell no, of course they're going to take them, and my guess looking towards the future, those might be the only organs worth using!
How about campaigning for Anders Tegnell to be given the Nobel Proze for Medicine, Economics and Peace? I don't agree with everything that Sweden did (never saw any need to close universities, for instance) but he sure stands out as someone in a tough spot who nonetheless managed to stand out as a beacon of courage and reason.
Yeah I don't agree with his fixation with vaccines but to actually have someone in a leading position saying stuff like "we don't know" or "it's a complex situation" or "too much testing isn't gonna help" is great.
Besides doctors, they are other professions that are nowhere to be found in this crisis:
- Where are lawyers and judges ? I would have imagined hundreds of lawsuits by now, covering all aspects, from the fraudulents testing to the natural immunity to the lockdowns etc. Where are those, and where are the human rights defense associations ?
- Artists. Where are those ? Where are the rage against the machine ? Where are the humorists ? I would have imagined that they would be denouncing this masquerade.
- Students. Students should be in the streets every day for the past year. Where are they ?
Can't speak for the lawyers & judges, but my observation as to the artists & students is that they are staring at their phones, posing for a photo or trying to figure out which gender they are this week. Critical thinking skills died about 15 years ago.
I think the real casualty of the Covid pandemic has been trust in institutions. I dont think most governments realize how scarce that is now. When governments are willing to blatantly lie about stupid, pointless things, what does that say about when they have to talk about difficult things?
I can only imagine that for them to squander public trust in this way they must anticipate a time in the not too distant future where public trust will not be as much of a concern for them.
I agree. Their hope is to fully enact controls so the plebs can’t revolt. Lock them down, take their freedoms, remove their rights. They’re so corrupt and emboldened — and in full mass formation — that they don’t care that their narrative is contradictory and wrought with hypocrisy.
I have a far more banal explanation. Early on in the pandemic, Covid-19 scared the living daylights out of a lot of people - myself included. Over time, most of us have gotten over it with the preponderance of evidence indicating that, tldr, life goes on. On the other hand, you have these sorts who are so utterly wedded to their beliefs, formed early on in the pandemic, that they are genuinely incapable of letting it go. Government types - who by their very essense spawn zombie programs / initiatives etc - simply cannot bring themselves to shoot the undead monster they have created in the head.
And this is actually good news! I hope this gets viral (pun intended) and all people start trusting their own judgement above the one of the institutions.
If we want to change this once and for all we need direct democracy. And it is easier as you think, without a tedious constitutional change or major refactoring of the political system. It is within a single election reach.
We just need a political party which runs on the elections and declares that its representatives will blindly mirror the results on each referendum. Also this party will organise (online) referendums on all important issues but at least a couple of times per month. That's all folks! We can inject direct democracy into the current system immediately and take all the power they have to lock us down, mandate medical procedures, rob us with excess inflation ...
I hope this happen with the booster shot rollout. The solidarity aspect of "2 doses and you're free" is oere. A lot of people feel betrayed by the bureaucrats, and that's good.
Demoralization is part of the plan. Liars are celebrated; truth-tellers are punished. Hang in there. Stay strong. Never tune in to mainstream "journalism."
You are very optimistic if you think she is just stupid.
Even the worst immunologist would not say things like she does, e.g. dismissing the natural immune system or hang on to the mask requirements. Or, as was one of the MSM memes in the last weeks, claiming that vaccines cannot have long term side effects per defitionem.
They know what they are saying is wrong, so they are malicious liars.
And Merkel repeats the same lies, knowing full well how destructive she is.
Yes! I haven't seen that meme, but given the Party Organs' constant lying, I would not be astonished to read: "Since it has been established the vaccines effect only lasts six months to a year, it is equally impossible that they would have long-term side effects outside that period." 🙄
The only thing that people with medical degrees share with each other is their ability to remember vast quantities of facts and data.
The ability to USE that information for problem-solving, is NOT a prerequisite to get into or graduate from a medical school, or obtain a license to practice medicine. This is abundantly clear in these so-called covid-experts. And anyone who's hung around them, knows quite well.
They don't realize the misapplied facts and jargon makes them look either stupid, or dishonest. Which in of itself, displays poor analytical and self-awareness ability. People of equal poor analytical/awareness skills will be fooled by their performances.
So true. Med school grads can process and remember mountains of information better than more average students. They are not necessarily better at analysis or critical thinking. And when they go into practice, they rely on the marketing info from pharmaceutical reps for their "science".
I was a computer science major three decades ago. Even in the 1990s, expert systems (AI) were better at diagnosing disease than human doctors. (Or so we learned.)
That's true but the problem in medicine is not new and to be honest, not sure how it can be solved. The problem is where to put the best analytical minds, treating patients or training medical students?
Now where I do see a related solution to this quandary, is the population must realize that they must take ownership of their own health and educate themselves. And with that knowledge start calling out the BS excuses they (the patient) are given for what caused their health problems and take responsibility for their (the patient) diet and lifestyle that contributes to poor health. (This was commonplace before 1970 - people were much more self-reliant on their own health.)
I equate it to car owners in the 70's and 80's, they started calling BS on the excuses US auto makers dished up on the poor manufacturing quality. I remember many cars painted with LEMON and dealership name driving through town. If more people started improving their health and calling out BS on the sick-care system, things will change.
Ivor Cummins and Tucker Goodrich come to mind, engineering minded folks who took it upon themselves to identify root cause and resolve health issues.
There are some interesting studies showing how many academic professionals, including doctors, are illiterate when it comes to using and interpreting statistics correctly.
I'm not familiar with the skit, but there is more than a grain of truth there. It is in fact true (on the average) that even for an educated person, a lot of one's core beliefs or even what one was taught in the course of his education are at best half-truths and sometimes outright lies. Many of them can be identified by critical thinking, but this is rarely done even by smart people. Most likely because people naturally want their pet beliefs confirmed (confirmation bias or social approval) rather than to be refuted. Of course, the further one moves from the hard sciences ("STEM") into the thorns and weeds of religion, philosophy, politics and so on, the more arbitrary "truth" becomes, and thus the greater the chance of error.
I agree. The problem with "scientists" I believe is that they are less likely to correct themselves (because they're so smart), especially if their hypotheses are aligned with left wing politics and big corporate money. I.E. climate change hysterics, Covid vaccine advocacy, and the lipid hypothesis of coronary artery disease. They won't let go of any of this crap.
There is no such thing as an expert in anything. If being an expert means having total command over a subject matter. Experts disagree with each other constantly, proving to each other that nothing is definitive, and therefore there is no clarity in the subject. We humans are actually quite dumb. We have nothing to compare ourselves to. The difference between a dog and a human is really negligible in terms of intelligence, If intelligence is defined as doing things that are beneficial to your survival. So I think it could be said that the virus appears more intelligent than it's human host. Better to let the "lower forms of life" existing within the human form to do their job, they are more evolved and experienced than this trendy vaccine.
Good points. There is also the concept of "good enough." For example, I'm from a science background. We rely on models. No model will be perfect. But the theory (model) ideally will have descriptive and predictive value. If later evidence "breaks" the model, we then adjust it to accommodate the new data. Newton's laws are "wrong" in the sense that later discoveries (e.g. Einstein) improved upon them. Yet Newton's equations are so good for describing everyday reality that they are still used for most real world applications.
Just because someone did the work to become an MD does not necessarily mean they have any critical thinking skills or an above-average level of intelligence.
Indeed, and the ones brought to our attention on TV are very often the worst. I have direct knowledge of this in my field. Real scholars have better things to do.
This is so true, and is not only limited to medicine. The sorting process to get people on TV or radio is so broken and does not select for competency.
MD's are just a subset of the population. Not their fault. Look at the structured environment they are a product of.
The academic elete, governing boards, the blame lies there. They prostetute to get grants and get paid by big pharma to deliver results. Then the heads of Brown, John's Hopkins, Washington, Baylor, speak for the eletes. This is corruption by structural design. MUST stop!
Disagree on the intelligence part. Based on my readings, MDs typically are well above average intelligence. However, raw intelligence may not correlate highly with analytical skills, or with moral or ethical qualities. Dr. Mengele was, in fact, a doctor of medicine.
Let’s put it this way. Compared to engineer graduates, doctors are clueless when it comes to elementary probability theory. A fairly straight forward concept. If they are as a general rule so intelligent why are they so bad at statistics.
This is what I have experienced and thought too. I have honestly never come across one that seemed to be intellectually curious or naturally intelligent. I have a PhD in engineering from one of the best schools in the US. One of my classmates in grade and high school became an MD and he was a mediocre student and had average intellect, but worked really hard to overcome his limitations. He went to a state university in the US where his family resided, and must have received high enough grades to get into medical school somewhere. I actually have a close relative in Germany who is a MD and head of a clinic. I am not sure where he stands, but he was rather upset about the side effects from the AZ vaccine.
Delta is the problem? How comes that Africa has no problem with Delta, although having the lowest ''vaccination''-rate of all continents? Ah yes, I forget, their population is younger than the population in Europe. But why ''vaccinate'' our younger population? And so on.
Possibly, but I vote for extremely poor reporting of statistics. If you look at totals of cases, illnesses, deaths etc. by nation since the start of the pandemic, the numbers (per capita) vary enormously. Even in developed nations, the statistics are pretty much bullshit. Factor in the primitive infrastructure and political motivations of the backward parts of the world, and the statistics become laughable.
The timing could not be worse for the politicians.
1. The current vaccines do not work well against Delta, since they were developed against legacy variants.
2. Nordstrom et al. (Lancet) show massively declining vaccine effectiveness within 6 months.
3. Vaccines never produced widespread, robust levels of immunity in the older, COVID19 vulnerable populations.
4. Early treatment does not exist in Germany (as far as I know)
My question: irrespective of the side-effects, how well will a 3rd dose work against Delta in vulnerable older people? Are they going to be receiving a 4th dose in... December? It boggles the mind.
She is a mirror of Dr. Shah here in Maine, USA. I heard him on the car radio yesterday “answering questions,” and could not get out of the car fast enough. The levels of misinformation and outright lying, of using stupid “epidemiological” viewpoints that ignore other factors and that blame the unjabbed, etc., was more than sobering. He refuses to acknowledge that the jab cannot stop transmission and is dangerous—and he falls back on the “this is the most studied jab” ever in the world of jabs when people calling in raise questions that challenge the narrative. Meanwhile, Gov. Mills has wrecked the health system with mandates for those workers. This winter is going to be tough.
I just find it infinitely amusing how, all across the world, we all have our own local Corona astrologers. Where did this lunatics even come from? Where did they find them?
These people are always floating around the government, waiting for some chance to prance around like a circus horse. I call them the "novelty sock people." You know those people who hide an outrageously colorful pair of socks under their business suit? But the pants are always a little too short? So you catch just a glimpse of the "personality" around their ankles? These people are always to be avoided as they want mostly to "fit in," but they also desire to "stand out," and they obliviously can't decide which is better. And they think novelty footwear is the answer. The "secret socks" are a tell for cowardice, stupidity, narcissism and mendacity.
My background is Cultural Studies PhD—I look at systems of cultural power that develop. This one now has been decades in the making. I think now we have worldwide Late Capitalism: in the US, industry capture of regulatory agencies, government labs (public private business arrangements that insure corruption), medicine industry (monopoly formation and docs have lost ownership of practices and are now workers in the system), media, some politicians, some legal (removal of industry responsibility for products in name of public health for instance), police used to back up things like mandates, interlocking corporate boards, “corporations are people” legally, etc.
I think the old positive/negative paradigm in classic liberalism has changed. We are now maybe in a new paradigm—one helped to form by the role of technology and especially social media. If you trace media ownership up the chain of ownership, you get to two companies—Vanguard and Blackrock—and Vanguard is the key shareholder in Blackrock. So, cable media has just developed niche news where they feed viewers mostly addictive negative and scary stories that keep them returning. The loss of the 4th estate is a key loss to the destruction of democracies across the world.
They’re like the Lauterbachs waiting to use some sort of fame to gain. Same across the world.
Here they refuse yo stratify Covid risk by health status. It’s like a toddler putting hands over their ears yelling no no no no. A true conversation about risk vs benefit is impossible. The CDC said so - so they can’t discuss it ever.
I'm in Vermont --I'm surprised at what Maine is doing -- truly. It seemed so wild over there. I can see why you're annoyed --I'm annoyed at Shah just hearing about it! It doesn't matter how much they are "studying the jab" as none of these researchers have a crystal ball into the future. And any negative results of "all these studies" are suppressed.
Right. Shah is an MD and JD—his MD evidently involves epidemiology, but I don’t see formal training in epidemiology at first glance of his bio. He’s another one of the public health people who has never actually practiced at the clinical level. It is important to realize that epidemiology is NOT a hard science and is only as good as the data it uses, which is why it is famously unreliable. It can never show causation—only correlation.
I agree that the biggest casualties of the pandemic are going to be the modelers, the medical professions, and the journalists. But I think it is useful to bear in mind the "big picture" approach that eugyppius has been advancing from early on and not to focus too much on individuals. One of the most significant problems that the pandemic response has exposed is the extreme division of labor that characterizes present-day Science as a result of research having morphed into a big-corporation machinery where >90% of the staff have no idea, or no control about what's happening. Most are competent at running a specific type of experiment, at pushing the right buttons, at reading a print-out, and at looking at an instruction's manual for troubleshooting. But, despite their PhDs, by 19th-century, or even mid-20th century standards most these people would be called "workers," or "technicians," not scientists. So, when you watch one of them on TV, think of them as Charles Chaplin in "Modern Times" because that's what they are, a proletarized workforce. In biomedical research this situation is made worse by the almost complete separation between the researcher and the object of the research. The researcher is so alienated from his object that, for all practical purposes, what ultimately happens to the people whose health he is supposed to be working for needs bother him no more than the suffering of monkeys and beagles in the infamous NIH-funded research that recently came to light. They will not see the problem until it hits them in person. And so we find ourselves in this devil's work situation: skilled technicians coming up with technological marvels (read mRNA vaccines, or whatever) but who are scientifically unequipped to understand their real world biological and health implications, in happy marriage with a bureaucratic apparatus whose scientific credentials are even worse, to the benefit of those in political and economic power, who, obviously, will jump to take advantage of every opportunity to grab even more.
Great comment. Although I don't think modellers, medicos and journos are going to be casualties. Maybe for those of us who were already skeptical this is their death knell, but for the great majority I think the narrative control in the last two years has baked in a blind trust and slavish adherence to those professions. For most people, questioning means thinking for themselves, and they simply don't want to. Why would they, when they can just repeat the narrative to appear smart without actually thinking.
Thought-provoking analysis. Yes - too much specialisation. An absence of generalists. No more polymaths as the scientists and technicians drill ever deeper down into minutae and lose the big picture.
It is dangerous to put the defendant on the witness stand. The prosecution will happily listen as they contradict their own narrative. She stumbled by speaking of seasonality, and admitting the "vaccine" is only effective against an extinct variant.
Please understand, it is quite possible that the mRNA injections will leave you vulnerable to all kind of diseases in the future. You cannot trust the narrative from the "experts" who are virtually clueless and often indoctrinated. They will always make excuses when their "pet" drugs, vaccines and injections fail. Normally, we could trust the science, but big pharma has been completely unscientific for over 30 years.
The animal trials for these types of injections (CoV-1 and MERS) go back about 20 years and when the animals were exposed to the viruses, they died for the most part. So, it's no shock that humans taking this garbage will experience the same problems. They will call it delta or some other name to save face. Never trust these con-men.
Actually if you look into the work of an Italian based laboratory located in Bellagio, and of projected callrd (GPV) Global Virome Project, you will find out that in 2016 they manufactured a corona virus which “kills only old rats” ho and yes the actully published a paper about it
The "extreme stupidity of vaccinators" comes as no surprise to libertarians who are trained in the classic/Austrian school of economics and have witnessed the same in the field of economics for decades.
Our ruling elites are indeed the stupidest and least wise among us and that is inevitable and has always been so. Which is why countless fiction books warn us about this from past experience.
Kakfa, Hayeks's The Road to Serfdom, Orwell's 1984, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged - to mention just some of the latest ones.
That's how politics work.
It is good politics now to exaggerate the death toll of unvaccinated and minimize that of the vaccinated. Just think of what would happen if they out the former in concetration camps - the logical next step after vaccine passports, which politicians emphatically excljuded just a few months ago...
Same thing going on in Belgium. You have 2 virologists who mouthpiece the official version, and then there is Geert VandenBosch, the head virology of the Ghent University, who has been cut off social media for waylaying the official version, and declaring that what the government is doing, is making the virus stronger and finally end up making it resistant, like hospitals are now having, by using way too many antibiotica. You can still watch the interviews and read the text on his own website. Oh and did you see this https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gov-gavin-newsom-moderna-booster-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=971b1f3d-4f19-4f9c-8430-3919a1c77dd4
Well, Belgium has much more than 2 "experts" who mouthpiece the official version, but it also has a significant number of others, such as Geert Vandenbosch and Bernard Rentier.
You can find a reasonable list of them in the signatory list of https://covidrationnel.be , which may be the single best source of common sense regarding covid measures in Belgium (unfortunately, French only).
The bigger issue is that the mainstream press does not provide a space for contradictory views and/or debates with any of the non-official narrative experts, so the population is left in the blue.
Well these are the main mouthpieces of the official side. Thanks for the link, I will check it out. I know enough French to understand I think. Far as I know, government has forbidden publications to waylay the official version, and doctors loose their licence if they do. I usually do not believe conspiracy theories, but this time I am tempted.
After the innocent people who have been killed by the willful & neglectful actions of public health officials, bought-off politicians, big pharma & fake media, the single biggest casualty of the corona-scam has been the medical professionals. Never has a group of individuals in any profession so quickly & so absolutely torn down their credibility and revealed themselves to be monstrous idiots, with little, if any critical thinking skills. Thank God for the great ones right now.
Not just idiots, but rank cowards. They have had the thumbscrews turned by their medical handlers and would rather see others lose their jobs than theirs. They've been told to toe the line or else. Ignore the evidence. Push the vaccine. Don't look beyond the carefully orchestrated, fabricated, and sanitised scripts pushed out by the manufacturers and their bought patsies in government. Save for a few brave ones who still adhere to it, the Hippocratic Oath is well and truly dead.
I think the real problem is the fact that from day 1 at med. school they are taught germ theory and the miracle of modern medicine. The human immune system takes a back seat and as such they know very little about immunology/virology.
Diagnosis and treatment is now very much down to IT and modelling - probably by people as skilled as Ferguson.
Medics used to be taught that the biggest danger to the patient is what you don't know you don't know.
Look at the patient not the disease, per Hippocrates, has long gone.
Interesting, yes. I'm not too well versed in germ theory or what medics learn, so can't comment with too much confidence. Just seeing it from a patient's perspective and expectations. But perhaps this whole fiasco has really cast a stark spotlight onto the contrasts between allopathic vs non-allopathic medical approaches. On the one hand, a fixation on the complex, non-visible, molecular problems (with their targeted, synthesised pharmaceutical fixes and "inside-to-out" view), as opposed to seeing the overall person and the complicated interplay of both internal and external factors on the body and mind. Not that I don't think allopathic doctors try to do that, but the human body has been systematically chopped up and packaged into separate medical "specialisations" and we've got to the point where the metaphorical left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Perhaps it's intended to be more efficient, I don't know. But it certainly doesn't seem to be the case right now. The immunologists are too busy playing chemical-chemical and gene-gene and leaving the GPs and specialists to pick up the corporeal pieces. Or not, as seems to be the case. They just seem clueless and afraid in the face of molecular unknowns.
I've been shocked that so many so-called Doctors and other health care "professionals" have gone along with this madness without question. No research on their part, just towing the hospital admin line and listening to the pharma reps and sales people. It's disgusting. They should be held to a higher standard. I was hesitant about going to Doctors for routine stuff in the past and now... oh hell no! If there isn't a bone sticking out somewhere I refuse to go see one of these mad scientists who are obviously more worried about "losing their job" than doing the true right thing for their patient. The patient should come first period. Before their precious "licenses" or jobs. I've said before... I'd rather go trade a chicken or a dozen eggs to my local Shaman than EVER trust the health care system again. (And I agree... thank God for the great ones... I do know there are some out there)
I am a 5 year stage 3 cancer survivor, During my medical journey starting 2016 is when I started the great don't trust the white coat awakening. I encountered a very intelligent oncologist in a clinical trial, who suggested I read research on low carb, recommended I eat that way. She didn't force or shame, she put the ball in my court and I healed undiagnosed prediabetes( we arent screened for that in the US, even though I had all the signs). She was right, 40+ lbs gone, health parameters normal. I have since fought with many a primary care doc on this journey. In 2017, the jerk told me I was going to die in 2 years if I didn't go on statins. I told him,"when you research the normal blodd chemistries for a person who eats like me, then come back to me and we can have an informed discussion." I saw a ethical primary care doc at the county health department, when I told her I eat low carb, she congratulated me and told me to keep it up, she was bound by "protocol" to prescribe certain meds for certain blood chemistry levels, she told me to not fill the script and throw it out. That I was very healthy and she was sick and tired of seeing infants.& toddlers & up..infants! with type 2 diabetes and she wasn't allowed to instruct them how to correct it with diet, she had to stay to the protocol. She told me she was going to quit, I got a letter 2 months later saying she left the public health department. There are good, intelligent, ethical professionals, just have to hunt for them.
My primary oncologist, still doesn't acknowledge that I my diet change is an integral part of my healing and survival, as she complains to me about her weight gain, pains and health problems.
Don't blindly trust, read, learn, talk to many ppl, save yourself the med community is bound to protocol for their malpractice insurance and big medical corp signing their paychecks. I was told to go to a functional medicine primary doctor, struggling finding one on my insurance. But will self pay if I have to have any decisions made.
It’s amazing to me how many people who are “covid skeptical” are also low-carb and anti-statin. (Like me.) we lost our trust in public health and the medical establishment long ago.
I’m curious how low carb you are talking here. Are you keto? Under 100g/day? Under 50g? I do feel much better at lower carb levels, but I’ve noticed that too low and my immune system seems to become weaker—more prone to colds and bugs; at keto levels my heart starts into arrhythmias. I’ve also wondered if part of it is that so much of the junk in our diets is in the carbs (sugars and processed grains), so when we lower the carbs what we’re really doing is removing much of the junk and relying on whole foods (proteins, fats, plants), which are so much better for the body than the processed “fake” food.
In any case, good for you for taking on your own health and healing. Your story is inspiring and proof that we do not need to rely on medicine to be well.
In my case my carbs are about 5% of calories. I use a modified keto, called carnivore. Works for me. See Carnivore Code.
I follow a carb conscious approach. I weaken every couple of weeks and have a great pizza ("00" is my refined white powder of choice). I think each person has their own set limit and you should be attentive to your body to find out what you best macro distribution is.
Have your ever read Newbold's books? Back in 80s, 90s, his book(s) advocated a variant of Atkins, I guess what is now called low-carb. If I recall correctly, Newbold claimed there were different body types, based on genetics, that responded optimally to different foods. For example, you might be optimized for more carbs, while another person should avoid sugars and starches. A common example of such genetic variation is lactose (milk) tolerance.
Our genes are extraordinarily complex, and everyone is different. But those differences are mostly insignificant. The important concept is genes are predispositions, not destiny. Genes are controlled by the cell's environment, and turned on or off in a process called gene expression. One of the strongest influencers of cellular environments is insulin, which is always generated by carbohydrate consumption. Everyone responds a little differently, partly because of genetic variations, but mostly because all of us treat our bodies differently. It's useful for each of us to learn how those factors operate on us.
Keep in mind we evolved to adapt to the environment we lived in. Most of our history was based on eating dead animals. Plants were used in season when the hunts failed. We always ate animals or plants, but not both together until recent creation of farming cultures produced bountiful foods of all types, all the time, without relying on the hunt or the season. We didn't evolve to eat both together, only one or the other. Plant foods cause some problems, but the big problems come from mixing them with animal foods.
Yes, exactly. The knowledge of the truth of this is slowly filtering out. Very slowly. But getting out.
I asked my doctor for Ivermectin. He didn't even know what it was. ( maybe six months ago now ). How alert was that? How in tune with medical progress, happenings?
And on that visit and some subsequent visits I learned a little of how medicine is practiced today in a world of internet and computers.
In a word: robotically.
We should have/could have seen it coming.
How to make your way through the bewildering flood of new drugs on the market?
How to stay abreast of latest medical developments, studies, results, counter studies?
How to stay abreast of government requirements, paperwork, procedures, billings etc?
How to avoid mis-prescribing and causing conflict between prescriptions?
How to avoid misdiagnosis with such a multiplicity of illnesses and a highly technical world where you can get 'found out' if you miss one?
How to know which diagnostic tests to order to help with diagnosis and prescription?
How to cover yourself in an increasingly dangerous world for a medical professional?
And at the same time grow your practice and your wealth to get where you always thought you were going to get when you started medical school?
You use the computer.
It can and will answer all of the above questions for you. Simply input your observations and order the suggested tests and follow the dots...
And I found that was what my doctor was doing. He 'could not' prescribe Ivermectin because he could 'only' prescribe according to the computer's display of govt guidelines. (since then our government has actively banned it!!)
And when I gashed my arm he spent more time taking photographs and measuring so that he could input exact information into the computer database than he did practicing medicine on me. i.e. for instance informing me as to proper wound dressing changing procedure.
They used to be magic witch doctors.
Then they became elevated individuals in possession of arcane knowledge and with high principles, selfless dedication, etc..
Now they are computer operators, very largely.
Agreed. Only comment I can add is to be extra wary of dealing with most medical professionals, at least in USA. Those that remain in the system have been "selected," i the sense that they are most likely going to offer the robotic services their handlers desire. This isn't to say that all such medical care is useless; far from that. But certainly if you can educate yourself, you may find the most helpful things that improve your health are what you can do yourself, indeed, perhaps ONLY you can do for yourself, as the diet example above illustrated.
I'm an ovarian cancer survivor and my take-away from that episode is that "their agenda is not your agenda". Though I could easily read the medical-journal articles that, for my stage and grade of cancer, indicated only a 2% improvement in 5-year mortality rate for those who underwent chemo vs. those who did not, in a study of 14 patients (!!), my gyn-onc refused to treat me if I didn't undergo chemo (which was a terrible ordeal for me). I felt as though I had a gun held to my head.. I am very ashamed I didn't have the strength at the time to stand up for myself.
I'll never forget the weasel-phrasing the doctor used: "If you take the chemotherapy, there's an excellent chance that you will be CURED, but if you have a recurrence, it will be FATAL." As though those two things followed from one another...
To add insult to injury, it was explained to me that the chemo was going to "mop up" any rogue cancer cells that might be roaming around my body independent of the encapsulated tumor they had removed. How did this particular chemo agent work? Ohhh.. just by breaking up small tumors and releasing the cells into the bloodstream and lymphatic systems. Well, all righty then!
Yes! Completely agree.
The small minority that stood up and are standing up (America's Front Line Doctors, FLCCC, etc) are people who I respect greatly.
I heard an interesting interview with a doctor recently. He explained the behavior by the majority of his colleagues this way: evidence-based medicine that started in the 1990s has led to a plethora of medical guidelines. And if there is not an official guideline for something (e.g. early treatment ivermectin), they just won't do it.
My take - if they are tied to guidelines to this extent, aren't doctors somewhat obsolete? Get a nurse or a robot or whatever to do it.
On doctors: yes, they do not show courage. And yes, they follow protocols and only protocols. Why? Most doctors are now using EMR (Electronic Medical Records). This makes every decision they make part of their permanent record, which can and, in time, will be reviewed by peers as part of their performance evaluation. Plus, they are contracted to follow all the official procedures released by the Washington bureaucracy and various medical boards. It is coded into the workflows, so bypassing those is difficult- impossible for most doctors, who tend to not be literate in workflow systems in particular and IT in general. The unintended consequences of EMR.
Then the EMR process must be changed and improved.
Say a patient is convinced Ivermectin would work. Or the doctor wants to prescribe it. Isn't it possible for the patient to sign a paper stating something along the line of "I agree that this is not the recommended protocol and accept the consequences which doctor X made me aware of" ? This would relieve doctors from their responsibility and empower them to prescribe whatever they believe is best for the patient. Also, a list of all medications prescribed by all doctors to treat sickness X should be available online, together with the number of times such medication was prescribed. This will allow patients to check if the doctor is way off mark or is prescribing a drug with is outside of the recommended protocol, but has been prescribed often by peers. Society can do much better than we have today. It needs to change.
In the US, I think the medical community is terrified of malpractice so tied to protocol.
That's been happening for over 40 years. That's the Kaiser model and every other system is slowly adopting to those set of standards.
peebleandtoast, do you have a link to the talk? Sounds very interesting.
I recently listened to this talk about the rise in over diagnoses.
https://youtu.be/C-DnznA0m9k
Jennifer, here is the interview with Dr. Richard Amerling, MD, Chief Medical Officer for the American Frontline Doctors:
https://www.americaoutloud.com/paralysis-of-hospital-care-for-covid-19/
Same page, Rob. In fact, I would probably have a go at setting a bone break myself, at this rate! I knew that all was lost when I went to mine after my first (forced) jab. I had had minimal chest issues with Delta (no cough, just slight tightness at the extremity of breath) and was fully recovered, now suddenly felt like my lungs were wading through thick soup every time I took a breath. And that was just a week after taking the shot. Have had tightness ever since. Do you think she was worried? Not a chance. Brushed it off as a post-nasal drip and started berating me for not wanting to get the second shot. Gave the party line about recovered people not counting on their immunity and that "it wanes, you know". I didn't even bother to try and dissuade her, or tell her that I had actually taken the trouble to inform myself about the efficacy of prior-infection immunity. Told her that I would then just have to wane along with the vaccinated, then. That I'll just have to lose my job. There would be no help coming from her. And she had been the one to tell me I had strong antibodies from my full antibody test! That was now out the window. They got to her, alright. Zombie doctors now abound.
I don’t even go to doctors anymore since why would I pay to argue and be told I’m stupid? I won’t take meds or tests or get surgery, so what can they offer me?
Yep. What we need is access to their information. Their machinery. Essentially it belongs to us anyway. They use it for diagnosis, treatment, prescriptions, everything. We could do that 'doctoring' as well as they can many times, many times, even better perhaps.
We've got a hangover of the 'witch doctor' ethos, where he knowledge is arcane and holy, only for the ordained .
Nope. It is time for us to have adult access to adult systems.
Problem we seem to have is that this awakening is just beginning. As yet there simply are not enough 'adults' amongst us.
Not all are bad. We just need to become better at recognizing the difference. Good patients participate in their maintenance. See my stack for explanation.
So sad, glad you are better and "safe" from the experiment.
"Safe and effective" is their favourite phrase. It's like they're all reading from the same page. Mass brainwashing. Amazing how these pet phrases start being parroted by everyone. They take on a life and "truth" of their own. But yeah - staying clear of doctors as much as possible from here on out.
Basic propaganda.
Here are the first 5 quotes of Joseph Goebbel's on www.inspiringquotes.us:
“Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will.”
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
“This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it.”
“The truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.”
Yep. It has taken just two generations to forget. (Love your nom de plume, btw! Mine is after a Salem witch. I have cast a hex on those who mandated me.)
I feel sorry for those who took a jab, either on good faith or perceived coercion. I sympathize that being faced with job loss, travel or even shopping restrictions, etc. could be a motivator. But I fear these people have made a bargain with the Devil, and the bargain only lasts six months, but the side effects perhaps longer... 😟
Wow. Just. Wow.
Yep. I'm pretty much out of wows by now. Was told by a friend of mine that South African doctors have been given express instructions by their medical bodies that they may not say anything against the vaccine on pain of losing their licences. So no wonder.
I am curious to see how the medical profession fares, post-pandemic, if we ever REACH post-pandemic. So very many of us have totally given up on doctors, and there is nothing they can ever do to re-gain our trust. And btw, this made my day: "If there isn't a bone sticking out somewhere I refuse to go see one of these mad scientists..." I agree wholeheartedly.
Most people will continue to revere them, oblivious to the harm that has been wrought. Or willfully oblivious. None so blind, and all of that. They will write off the new niggles and pains as something else, unless there is some catastrophic event that they can't ignore. Even then, they'll justify it in order not to bear the discomfort of guilt - much like the parents who can't wait to get their children vaccinated and then, once harm is done, will righteously cite "an abundance of caution". Most people don't want to make difficult decisions or inform themselves. They just want someone to "tell them what to do". It absolves them of responsibility for themselves. The medical profession has failed. Doctors are meant to be acutely aware of the ethical implications, as well as informed consent around complex medical decisions. They are meant to make sure that they are aware of the risks, and help the patient to understand these. They have failed. Abysmally. Criminally. We have been hung out to dry. Some have managed to keep themselves clear of the coercion and lies, but many have not. There will be a reckoning.
Frankly, I think the controlled demolition of health-care systems is actually part of the scheme.
On the flipside, it also makes it easier to identify a doctor whom you can trust; those who are willing to go against the narrative at risk of their own reputation and livelihoods. Doctors such as those associated with the FLCCC and AFLDS.
If I were a doctor I wouldn't take the 'risk'. In Aus it is no 'risk', it is a certainty. They make laws, tell you what to do, you break them you'll get struck off.
But I would resort to all kinds of roundabout anonymous ways of getting the truth out to people. All kinds of ways of making my feelings and understandings known. I have seen none of that.
None.
There was a lovely substack article or comment I read earlier today, stating that doctors and researchers have generally become 'technicians'. They don't think, they do what they're told and follow a complicated script. They don't see the larger picture anymore, because they're but a small cog in a big machine. They have lost their independence - of thought, of action, of will.
I don't imagine it can stay like this for long. There is clearly a growing counter-culture of people who no longer trust the medical industry and how the doctors are behaving. Some doctors will respond in kind - there'll be a growth of independent 'wholistic' doctors, who are much more like the local doctors we used to have in our neighbourhoods. The women in my family already all go to the same 'wholistic' doctor in NZ who is apparently pointedly not pushing the vaccines, and has continually - even before the pandemic - been suggesting better diet to her patients.
The first time one of my medical professionals recommends I get the jab, he will have become my former medical professional. 😛 One MD I use has asked on two visits whether I had taken the jab. Not a recommendation for or against, but merely an inquiry. I like that.
Just heard from a good friend who works for an organ transplant team at a major hospital in a very blue state, that they will be turning down patients in need of an organ if they are unvaccinated. Most of the members (including the surgeon) of this team received exceptions from being vaccinated, and now are contemplating leaving their positions based on moral convictions. This team has repeatedly seen organs within donor bodies that are filled with blood clots and can not be used for donation. The surgeon has told his superiors, over and over again, falling on deaf ears. What is the "science" behind this decision of requiring patients who need an organ to be vaccinated? This drug has no long term studies done on it. How can they make such an over-reaching decision that will jeopardize people's lives? What if you have a deceased donor that is unvaccinated? are they going to not take the organs? Hell no, of course they're going to take them, and my guess looking towards the future, those might be the only organs worth using!
And what about the blood supply? The freshly vaccinated can donate blood.
Even if an organ isn't visibly clotted-up, what are the chances a vacxed organ is going to work well for the recipient down the line?
How about campaigning for Anders Tegnell to be given the Nobel Proze for Medicine, Economics and Peace? I don't agree with everything that Sweden did (never saw any need to close universities, for instance) but he sure stands out as someone in a tough spot who nonetheless managed to stand out as a beacon of courage and reason.
Yeah I don't agree with his fixation with vaccines but to actually have someone in a leading position saying stuff like "we don't know" or "it's a complex situation" or "too much testing isn't gonna help" is great.
Besides doctors, they are other professions that are nowhere to be found in this crisis:
- Where are lawyers and judges ? I would have imagined hundreds of lawsuits by now, covering all aspects, from the fraudulents testing to the natural immunity to the lockdowns etc. Where are those, and where are the human rights defense associations ?
- Artists. Where are those ? Where are the rage against the machine ? Where are the humorists ? I would have imagined that they would be denouncing this masquerade.
- Students. Students should be in the streets every day for the past year. Where are they ?
Can't speak for the lawyers & judges, but my observation as to the artists & students is that they are staring at their phones, posing for a photo or trying to figure out which gender they are this week. Critical thinking skills died about 15 years ago.
Amen. But...As you make your bed, so you must lie upon it.
I think the real casualty of the Covid pandemic has been trust in institutions. I dont think most governments realize how scarce that is now. When governments are willing to blatantly lie about stupid, pointless things, what does that say about when they have to talk about difficult things?
I can only imagine that for them to squander public trust in this way they must anticipate a time in the not too distant future where public trust will not be as much of a concern for them.
That's how it looks to me, too. And many elected officials in the US don't act as if future elections will present a significant obstacle.
I agree. Their hope is to fully enact controls so the plebs can’t revolt. Lock them down, take their freedoms, remove their rights. They’re so corrupt and emboldened — and in full mass formation — that they don’t care that their narrative is contradictory and wrought with hypocrisy.
THIS. This is the palpable undercurrent.
I have a far more banal explanation. Early on in the pandemic, Covid-19 scared the living daylights out of a lot of people - myself included. Over time, most of us have gotten over it with the preponderance of evidence indicating that, tldr, life goes on. On the other hand, you have these sorts who are so utterly wedded to their beliefs, formed early on in the pandemic, that they are genuinely incapable of letting it go. Government types - who by their very essense spawn zombie programs / initiatives etc - simply cannot bring themselves to shoot the undead monster they have created in the head.
http://journalpulp.com/2021/09/22/why-do-so-many-still-believe-dr-mattias-desmet-professor-of-clinical-psychology-at-ghent-university-belgium-gives-an-exceptionally-incisive-explanation/
And this is actually good news! I hope this gets viral (pun intended) and all people start trusting their own judgement above the one of the institutions.
If we want to change this once and for all we need direct democracy. And it is easier as you think, without a tedious constitutional change or major refactoring of the political system. It is within a single election reach.
We just need a political party which runs on the elections and declares that its representatives will blindly mirror the results on each referendum. Also this party will organise (online) referendums on all important issues but at least a couple of times per month. That's all folks! We can inject direct democracy into the current system immediately and take all the power they have to lock us down, mandate medical procedures, rob us with excess inflation ...
I hope this happen with the booster shot rollout. The solidarity aspect of "2 doses and you're free" is oere. A lot of people feel betrayed by the bureaucrats, and that's good.
It’s all so ridiculously dismal but your comment about vaccinating her goldfish made me laugh so thank you. People like yourself are keeping me sane.
It is dismal. I wax and wane between darkness and putting my attention on living my life. What else is there to do?
Demoralization is part of the plan. Liars are celebrated; truth-tellers are punished. Hang in there. Stay strong. Never tune in to mainstream "journalism."
Have you heard of Biderman's Chart of Coercion? Used on prisoners of war. One can see lots of similarities with what they are doing to us now: https://www.strath.ac.uk/media/1newwebsite/departmentsubject/socialwork/documents/eshe/Bidermanschartofcoercion.pdf
Don't let them break you!
You are very optimistic if you think she is just stupid.
Even the worst immunologist would not say things like she does, e.g. dismissing the natural immune system or hang on to the mask requirements. Or, as was one of the MSM memes in the last weeks, claiming that vaccines cannot have long term side effects per defitionem.
They know what they are saying is wrong, so they are malicious liars.
And Merkel repeats the same lies, knowing full well how destructive she is.
well, i’m pretty clear that i think she’s lying. my point is that they’re bad lies, and embarrassing ones.
Yes, you are right.
And probably it is better that they are malicious and stupid.
If there were malicious and smart, it would be even worse.
Hanlon's Law to the contrary, it's becoming increasingly difficult to blame stupidity for what could only otherwise be rooted in malice.
Yes! I haven't seen that meme, but given the Party Organs' constant lying, I would not be astonished to read: "Since it has been established the vaccines effect only lasts six months to a year, it is equally impossible that they would have long-term side effects outside that period." 🙄
Either she is stupid or she is mouthing the line she has been paid to mouth.
I really enjoy new spicy and sarcastic Eugyppius!
The only thing that people with medical degrees share with each other is their ability to remember vast quantities of facts and data.
The ability to USE that information for problem-solving, is NOT a prerequisite to get into or graduate from a medical school, or obtain a license to practice medicine. This is abundantly clear in these so-called covid-experts. And anyone who's hung around them, knows quite well.
They don't realize the misapplied facts and jargon makes them look either stupid, or dishonest. Which in of itself, displays poor analytical and self-awareness ability. People of equal poor analytical/awareness skills will be fooled by their performances.
Dr. HODAD - https://lifewithnogallbladder.org/article/surgeon-dr-hodad-hands-of-death-and-destruction/
So true. Med school grads can process and remember mountains of information better than more average students. They are not necessarily better at analysis or critical thinking. And when they go into practice, they rely on the marketing info from pharmaceutical reps for their "science".
I was a computer science major three decades ago. Even in the 1990s, expert systems (AI) were better at diagnosing disease than human doctors. (Or so we learned.)
We've made education too easy and computers have removed even the barest requirement for actual thinking.
That's true but the problem in medicine is not new and to be honest, not sure how it can be solved. The problem is where to put the best analytical minds, treating patients or training medical students?
Now where I do see a related solution to this quandary, is the population must realize that they must take ownership of their own health and educate themselves. And with that knowledge start calling out the BS excuses they (the patient) are given for what caused their health problems and take responsibility for their (the patient) diet and lifestyle that contributes to poor health. (This was commonplace before 1970 - people were much more self-reliant on their own health.)
I equate it to car owners in the 70's and 80's, they started calling BS on the excuses US auto makers dished up on the poor manufacturing quality. I remember many cars painted with LEMON and dealership name driving through town. If more people started improving their health and calling out BS on the sick-care system, things will change.
Ivor Cummins and Tucker Goodrich come to mind, engineering minded folks who took it upon themselves to identify root cause and resolve health issues.
There are some interesting studies showing how many academic professionals, including doctors, are illiterate when it comes to using and interpreting statistics correctly.
For anyone who's interested, this video goes over several studies about the failure of academics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ullu_yTzuY
Reminds me of the old Firesign Theater skit "Everything You Know is Wrong"
I'm not familiar with the skit, but there is more than a grain of truth there. It is in fact true (on the average) that even for an educated person, a lot of one's core beliefs or even what one was taught in the course of his education are at best half-truths and sometimes outright lies. Many of them can be identified by critical thinking, but this is rarely done even by smart people. Most likely because people naturally want their pet beliefs confirmed (confirmation bias or social approval) rather than to be refuted. Of course, the further one moves from the hard sciences ("STEM") into the thorns and weeds of religion, philosophy, politics and so on, the more arbitrary "truth" becomes, and thus the greater the chance of error.
I agree. The problem with "scientists" I believe is that they are less likely to correct themselves (because they're so smart), especially if their hypotheses are aligned with left wing politics and big corporate money. I.E. climate change hysterics, Covid vaccine advocacy, and the lipid hypothesis of coronary artery disease. They won't let go of any of this crap.
This is great stuff, thanks.
Surprise!
There is no such thing as an expert in anything. If being an expert means having total command over a subject matter. Experts disagree with each other constantly, proving to each other that nothing is definitive, and therefore there is no clarity in the subject. We humans are actually quite dumb. We have nothing to compare ourselves to. The difference between a dog and a human is really negligible in terms of intelligence, If intelligence is defined as doing things that are beneficial to your survival. So I think it could be said that the virus appears more intelligent than it's human host. Better to let the "lower forms of life" existing within the human form to do their job, they are more evolved and experienced than this trendy vaccine.
Good points. There is also the concept of "good enough." For example, I'm from a science background. We rely on models. No model will be perfect. But the theory (model) ideally will have descriptive and predictive value. If later evidence "breaks" the model, we then adjust it to accommodate the new data. Newton's laws are "wrong" in the sense that later discoveries (e.g. Einstein) improved upon them. Yet Newton's equations are so good for describing everyday reality that they are still used for most real world applications.
Just because someone did the work to become an MD does not necessarily mean they have any critical thinking skills or an above-average level of intelligence.
Indeed, and the ones brought to our attention on TV are very often the worst. I have direct knowledge of this in my field. Real scholars have better things to do.
Precisely, the media is not looking for expertise. They are looking for confirmation bias.
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Oooo, this is such a tease! I’m dying to know what your ‘field’ is. Unless I missed something somewhere… 😁
This is so true, and is not only limited to medicine. The sorting process to get people on TV or radio is so broken and does not select for competency.
MD's are just a subset of the population. Not their fault. Look at the structured environment they are a product of.
The academic elete, governing boards, the blame lies there. They prostetute to get grants and get paid by big pharma to deliver results. Then the heads of Brown, John's Hopkins, Washington, Baylor, speak for the eletes. This is corruption by structural design. MUST stop!
Disagree on the intelligence part. Based on my readings, MDs typically are well above average intelligence. However, raw intelligence may not correlate highly with analytical skills, or with moral or ethical qualities. Dr. Mengele was, in fact, a doctor of medicine.
Let’s put it this way. Compared to engineer graduates, doctors are clueless when it comes to elementary probability theory. A fairly straight forward concept. If they are as a general rule so intelligent why are they so bad at statistics.
Plenty of data supports my claim that MDs are clueless when it comes to probabilities.
This is what I have experienced and thought too. I have honestly never come across one that seemed to be intellectually curious or naturally intelligent. I have a PhD in engineering from one of the best schools in the US. One of my classmates in grade and high school became an MD and he was a mediocre student and had average intellect, but worked really hard to overcome his limitations. He went to a state university in the US where his family resided, and must have received high enough grades to get into medical school somewhere. I actually have a close relative in Germany who is a MD and head of a clinic. I am not sure where he stands, but he was rather upset about the side effects from the AZ vaccine.
Delta is the problem? How comes that Africa has no problem with Delta, although having the lowest ''vaccination''-rate of all continents? Ah yes, I forget, their population is younger than the population in Europe. But why ''vaccinate'' our younger population? And so on.
Larger routine use of Ivermectin and other anti-parasiticals?
Possibly, but I vote for extremely poor reporting of statistics. If you look at totals of cases, illnesses, deaths etc. by nation since the start of the pandemic, the numbers (per capita) vary enormously. Even in developed nations, the statistics are pretty much bullshit. Factor in the primitive infrastructure and political motivations of the backward parts of the world, and the statistics become laughable.
Freedom day will be the day when masks fall. All masks: real or imagined, literal and figurative.
The timing could not be worse for the politicians.
1. The current vaccines do not work well against Delta, since they were developed against legacy variants.
2. Nordstrom et al. (Lancet) show massively declining vaccine effectiveness within 6 months.
3. Vaccines never produced widespread, robust levels of immunity in the older, COVID19 vulnerable populations.
4. Early treatment does not exist in Germany (as far as I know)
My question: irrespective of the side-effects, how well will a 3rd dose work against Delta in vulnerable older people? Are they going to be receiving a 4th dose in... December? It boggles the mind.
She is a mirror of Dr. Shah here in Maine, USA. I heard him on the car radio yesterday “answering questions,” and could not get out of the car fast enough. The levels of misinformation and outright lying, of using stupid “epidemiological” viewpoints that ignore other factors and that blame the unjabbed, etc., was more than sobering. He refuses to acknowledge that the jab cannot stop transmission and is dangerous—and he falls back on the “this is the most studied jab” ever in the world of jabs when people calling in raise questions that challenge the narrative. Meanwhile, Gov. Mills has wrecked the health system with mandates for those workers. This winter is going to be tough.
I just find it infinitely amusing how, all across the world, we all have our own local Corona astrologers. Where did this lunatics even come from? Where did they find them?
These people are always floating around the government, waiting for some chance to prance around like a circus horse. I call them the "novelty sock people." You know those people who hide an outrageously colorful pair of socks under their business suit? But the pants are always a little too short? So you catch just a glimpse of the "personality" around their ankles? These people are always to be avoided as they want mostly to "fit in," but they also desire to "stand out," and they obliviously can't decide which is better. And they think novelty footwear is the answer. The "secret socks" are a tell for cowardice, stupidity, narcissism and mendacity.
It's very "look at me! I'm UNIQUE!" Yeah you're right, these people agree always the most enthusiastic followers and dreadfully boring.
Bow ties. Usually.
Here’s one explanation from inside medicine: https://im1776.com/2021/10/08/corporate-medicine/
My background is Cultural Studies PhD—I look at systems of cultural power that develop. This one now has been decades in the making. I think now we have worldwide Late Capitalism: in the US, industry capture of regulatory agencies, government labs (public private business arrangements that insure corruption), medicine industry (monopoly formation and docs have lost ownership of practices and are now workers in the system), media, some politicians, some legal (removal of industry responsibility for products in name of public health for instance), police used to back up things like mandates, interlocking corporate boards, “corporations are people” legally, etc.
I think the old positive/negative paradigm in classic liberalism has changed. We are now maybe in a new paradigm—one helped to form by the role of technology and especially social media. If you trace media ownership up the chain of ownership, you get to two companies—Vanguard and Blackrock—and Vanguard is the key shareholder in Blackrock. So, cable media has just developed niche news where they feed viewers mostly addictive negative and scary stories that keep them returning. The loss of the 4th estate is a key loss to the destruction of democracies across the world.
Hmmm. Not good signs? And what comes after late-stage capitalism?
Hell.
They’re like the Lauterbachs waiting to use some sort of fame to gain. Same across the world.
Here they refuse yo stratify Covid risk by health status. It’s like a toddler putting hands over their ears yelling no no no no. A true conversation about risk vs benefit is impossible. The CDC said so - so they can’t discuss it ever.
I'm in Vermont --I'm surprised at what Maine is doing -- truly. It seemed so wild over there. I can see why you're annoyed --I'm annoyed at Shah just hearing about it! It doesn't matter how much they are "studying the jab" as none of these researchers have a crystal ball into the future. And any negative results of "all these studies" are suppressed.
Right. Shah is an MD and JD—his MD evidently involves epidemiology, but I don’t see formal training in epidemiology at first glance of his bio. He’s another one of the public health people who has never actually practiced at the clinical level. It is important to realize that epidemiology is NOT a hard science and is only as good as the data it uses, which is why it is famously unreliable. It can never show causation—only correlation.
I agree that the biggest casualties of the pandemic are going to be the modelers, the medical professions, and the journalists. But I think it is useful to bear in mind the "big picture" approach that eugyppius has been advancing from early on and not to focus too much on individuals. One of the most significant problems that the pandemic response has exposed is the extreme division of labor that characterizes present-day Science as a result of research having morphed into a big-corporation machinery where >90% of the staff have no idea, or no control about what's happening. Most are competent at running a specific type of experiment, at pushing the right buttons, at reading a print-out, and at looking at an instruction's manual for troubleshooting. But, despite their PhDs, by 19th-century, or even mid-20th century standards most these people would be called "workers," or "technicians," not scientists. So, when you watch one of them on TV, think of them as Charles Chaplin in "Modern Times" because that's what they are, a proletarized workforce. In biomedical research this situation is made worse by the almost complete separation between the researcher and the object of the research. The researcher is so alienated from his object that, for all practical purposes, what ultimately happens to the people whose health he is supposed to be working for needs bother him no more than the suffering of monkeys and beagles in the infamous NIH-funded research that recently came to light. They will not see the problem until it hits them in person. And so we find ourselves in this devil's work situation: skilled technicians coming up with technological marvels (read mRNA vaccines, or whatever) but who are scientifically unequipped to understand their real world biological and health implications, in happy marriage with a bureaucratic apparatus whose scientific credentials are even worse, to the benefit of those in political and economic power, who, obviously, will jump to take advantage of every opportunity to grab even more.
Great comment. Although I don't think modellers, medicos and journos are going to be casualties. Maybe for those of us who were already skeptical this is their death knell, but for the great majority I think the narrative control in the last two years has baked in a blind trust and slavish adherence to those professions. For most people, questioning means thinking for themselves, and they simply don't want to. Why would they, when they can just repeat the narrative to appear smart without actually thinking.
Thought-provoking analysis. Yes - too much specialisation. An absence of generalists. No more polymaths as the scientists and technicians drill ever deeper down into minutae and lose the big picture.
It is dangerous to put the defendant on the witness stand. The prosecution will happily listen as they contradict their own narrative. She stumbled by speaking of seasonality, and admitting the "vaccine" is only effective against an extinct variant.
Why are we mandating an expired shot? It's madness.
Please understand, it is quite possible that the mRNA injections will leave you vulnerable to all kind of diseases in the future. You cannot trust the narrative from the "experts" who are virtually clueless and often indoctrinated. They will always make excuses when their "pet" drugs, vaccines and injections fail. Normally, we could trust the science, but big pharma has been completely unscientific for over 30 years.
The animal trials for these types of injections (CoV-1 and MERS) go back about 20 years and when the animals were exposed to the viruses, they died for the most part. So, it's no shock that humans taking this garbage will experience the same problems. They will call it delta or some other name to save face. Never trust these con-men.
Actually if you look into the work of an Italian based laboratory located in Bellagio, and of projected callrd (GPV) Global Virome Project, you will find out that in 2016 they manufactured a corona virus which “kills only old rats” ho and yes the actully published a paper about it
The "extreme stupidity of vaccinators" comes as no surprise to libertarians who are trained in the classic/Austrian school of economics and have witnessed the same in the field of economics for decades.
Our ruling elites are indeed the stupidest and least wise among us and that is inevitable and has always been so. Which is why countless fiction books warn us about this from past experience.
Kakfa, Hayeks's The Road to Serfdom, Orwell's 1984, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged - to mention just some of the latest ones.
That's how politics work.
It is good politics now to exaggerate the death toll of unvaccinated and minimize that of the vaccinated. Just think of what would happen if they out the former in concetration camps - the logical next step after vaccine passports, which politicians emphatically excljuded just a few months ago...
Same thing going on in Belgium. You have 2 virologists who mouthpiece the official version, and then there is Geert VandenBosch, the head virology of the Ghent University, who has been cut off social media for waylaying the official version, and declaring that what the government is doing, is making the virus stronger and finally end up making it resistant, like hospitals are now having, by using way too many antibiotica. You can still watch the interviews and read the text on his own website. Oh and did you see this https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gov-gavin-newsom-moderna-booster-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=971b1f3d-4f19-4f9c-8430-3919a1c77dd4
Well, Belgium has much more than 2 "experts" who mouthpiece the official version, but it also has a significant number of others, such as Geert Vandenbosch and Bernard Rentier.
You can find a reasonable list of them in the signatory list of https://covidrationnel.be , which may be the single best source of common sense regarding covid measures in Belgium (unfortunately, French only).
The bigger issue is that the mainstream press does not provide a space for contradictory views and/or debates with any of the non-official narrative experts, so the population is left in the blue.
Well these are the main mouthpieces of the official side. Thanks for the link, I will check it out. I know enough French to understand I think. Far as I know, government has forbidden publications to waylay the official version, and doctors loose their licence if they do. I usually do not believe conspiracy theories, but this time I am tempted.
Official sites and their propagandists always suppress their critics. It's the most unscientific aspect of this criminal enterprise.
Okay, I shouldn't have said "criminal." It's not a crime for tyrants to abuse us. They make the laws.