It took some of us less than 17 seconds 30 years ago to realise where importing, impoverished, uneducated, skill-free, people from shit-holes and conflict zones with incompatible cultures would lead. Another one of those conspiracy theories... and bonus - racist.
A few weeks ago streets in northern English towns were lined with Pakistani flags with Pakistani immigrants celebrating. Why? Pakistan independence day, when Pakistanis no longer lived under British rule... then moved to Britain to live under British rule. There’s something about that picture I’m not seeing.
I've been called every political slur you can imagine since before the year 2 000 for pointing out the obvious.
Nowadays, when the people who called me the vilest things simply because I've stated things like "Sweden is the land of the swedish people, and no-one elses" wring their hands and ask "somebody do something" and "why didn't anyone speak out", I simply tell them:
"You did this. Now suffer. Don't ask me for help. Don't ask me or others like me to save you. Just explain to your son when he's robbed and pissed on by arabs and negroes that you his parent wanted them here. Explain to your daughter when afghans gang-rape her while filming it, that to not let tens of thousands of adult afghan men into Sweden would have been racist."
Now, they ask me and others like me to volunteer in case of war.
When I've asked:
"If a russian soldier was to invade my home and I kill him, I'm a hero - but if a negro migrant invades my home and I kill him, I'm a criminal. Explain to me the difference." people just scream that "it's different".
No, it's not.
I wouldn't even piss on "anti-racists" if they were on fire.
I remember the Belgian political party vlaams blok, they were called neonazis because they said Belgium for Belgians first. I thought they were right. If there is a leftover, you can give it away. But to first give to others and then to your own people - well we all can see where it leads now.
i disagree with you only in your often-expressed perspective on the nature of america, because we are not europe. the melting pot concept of america was always a wise one. ironically, some of the groups most resistant to melting include very pale non-muslims.
our foundational documents derived from the secular fruit of the western enlightenment are wise ones. the abandonment of those principles is our destruction.
The "melting pot" was cooked up by greedy politicians and totally naive Christians, who somehow thought Christ was an egalitarian Marxist...The US is being destroyed because Jewish congressmen with the help of drunkard Ted Kennedy passed the 1965 Immigration Act, opening our doors to the refuse from the 3d world, while limiting immigration from civilized white nations...now Biden is letting everyone on the planet sneak in...
To add to it, I am a white from a '3rd" world country, but I will not be allowed into the US, even legal asylum seekers from Zimbabwe that are white are refused, so it seems you have to also be not white even though the whites in South Africa are killed in ways that make the Hamas look like kindergarten bullies
"Melting pot" means either the destruction of every culture going into it and the conscious social engineering of something new where ethnicity, culture, racial heritage and so on aren't intrinsical, inherited and essential; or is simply a euphemism for (forcibly) assimilating all other cultures into the dominant one.
All empires and multi-cultural states must employ one or the other, out of necessity - and today also because acknowledging why it must be so is politically incorrect.
when i was a little girl in public school, we were all americans though every one of us had a particular cultural heritage too. kids went to after-school greek school hebrew school, etc. i struggled to fully understand that some people actually had grandparents who didn't speak with an accent.
to be an american was not a blood inheritance but a gift of citizenship. my great-uncle born in ukraine was buried with a us veteran's honors when he died at 91.
This is the difference you spoke about: my understanding of "american" will always be an outsider's one. Not even if I was to move there would I understand - not intuitively, naturally or emotionally - the feeling (?) you describe.
The opposite is also true: swedish is something one can only be born as, it cannot be "learnt" via integration or assimilation.
But the way things are going, both your understanding and mine of our respective nationalities may very well be gone inside three generations, being replaced by some kind of globalist corporate engineered "world citizen"-abomination.
coming of age in the civil rights era and during the vietnam war, i was not yet able to understand the true and enduring value of what our founders crafted for us. so it pissed me off with a vengeance when i first began to travel abroad and even amongst young people of similar size, shape and coloration, people spotted me at once as an american.
took me a full lifetime to finally appreciate being of the ruffian sort.
being a fairly recent immigrant in US I can see both ways - I am nowhere near understanding how americans can be so bound to a country, in Belgium we don't seem to have that. Especially since all white and black americans are immigrants. In a way even Mexican people are more homey in the US than overseas people. And you hardly meet natives... I have only seen a few while travelling.
I think a lot of it is the narrative preached in the media and schools. Back then, America was a sacred ideal, and becoming American was something to strive for. Now, our children are taught to despise heritage Americans collectively, and are left as morally second-class citizens to admire and envy only the Other, who has a cultural heritage to be proud of, and who has more right to the nation's bounty than they do.
Yes, the latter. The idea being to allow and even thrive with people from different tribes, but all sharing the philosophical DNA of the founding of the country. Vivek Ramaswamy, for example. Clearly of East Indian descent, but seems to truly be an *American*.
We carry the Enlightenment Man's Burden, and I'm comfortable saying so, and declaring that philosophy superior.
The melting pot as you call it was always in reference to the largest influx of migrants—those who came from Europe! Never was before a worldwide phenomena on par as to what it is today. Those migrants were White and Christian in the main. After 1964 and Hart-Celler Act, we began to import populace from races and cultures and religions very dissimilar to the US founding stock. That is the essence of the problem today here and in Europe.
It has never worked in the history of man, nor will it work now. Proximity plus diverse cultures equals violence.
You can forget making to make SCA see the problem with the current mass unregulated immigration. There are certain people in America who while not being woke are still very much blinded to what's going on. My 70 year old mother thought everything was fine until 2022 when I visited with her and shoed her things outside of the main stream media. As an older person she was convinced that her national and local news channel's were %100 reliable. They even convinced her Trump was Hitler reincarnated and now she's pro-Trump.
We often are critical of the younger woke people who are leading society to self destruct but they aren't the only dangerous groups. There's a sizeable number of Americans who are very much ignorant to what's going on because they trust their main stream news media sources.
Unfortunately Trump is a fraud and a paper tiger. He barely deported anyone, he dumped many criminals on the streets with the first step act, his deficits were horrible even before covid, and his covid lockdown policies were catastrophic and horrendous. Worst of all he still denies he made any mistakes on covid and STILL praises his warp speed injections and spits on the vaccine injured by saying they don’t exist because it didn’t happen to him. And somehow this is what some people call a populist!
Trump is not a fraud nor a paper tiger. National leaders of China, North Korea and Russia don't concede to paper tigers. yes he screwed up on some things like deportation but you're leaving out teh fact that much of the Federal Government was working against him precisely because he's not an establishment controlled president. As for the jab, yes he was %1900 wrong on that and still is. That said you're never going to have a president that doesn't do or believe something you disagree with.
He is a populist and his support of the covid jab doesn't negate that.
The tribes in the jungles of the Congo and the Amazon did get the news that in all northern lands there is global warming going on .and moving there including their jungle culture will be a welcome improvement for the former inhabitants .All of the BLACK forest is now designated as a new homeland for the Blacks of the Congo .
And allowing mass unregulated immigration of people is an abandonment of our principles. The "melting pot" you refer to is from an age when we did have a lot of regulated immigration of people from cultures willing to melt with the existing society versus the illegals today who bring their culture and ideology with the intent of not blending in but making America another Sharia run nation.
The melting pot was never a part of America until the 1960s and the civil rights era to smooth over things between whites and blacks. Prior to that they had very specific immigration policy. It was so strict they agonized over importing Swedes and Germans because they worried they'd be too different from the British stock.
Multiculturalism does not work, as America is demonstrating. It will almost certainly split along ethnic lines no matter how hard people try to stop it.
It is quite possible to discuss this sensibly without racism or condemning others. Culture matters. The Arab countries do not allow even fellow Arabs to move to their countries never mind Europeans. We are now learning why.
I do. And it is that identity that is being lost. Fewer and fewer blacks identify with traditional American holidays like July 4th, for example. That was not the case 40 years ago. Some hispanics are calling for their kids to be taught in Spanish, which is not a good sign.
What I am challenging is the America is a nation of immigrants. It was built by Northern Europeans and no one else. Once they relaxed that it began to decline.
That is not a dig at the immigrants. But a country is a people not a place.
The Chinese had to pay a head tax if they wanted to come to Canada to work on the railroads .After that they build their own china towns ,to live segregated .
My 70 year old third generation friends describe themselves as "bananas"- yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
Their second generation parents married Chinese and could speak Cantonese, my friends married white spouses. The Chinatowns are just remnants of their previous enclaves.
The Mandarin-speaking recent immigrants are a very different group, as are the 1990's Hong Kong pre-takeover Chinese who mostly speak English and Cantonese plus Mandarin.
I was a teacher in Iran for 2 years up through the end of the Shah, and in Saudi Arabia for the next 8 years. It was a fascinating experience, but it was very clear to me that even had I wanted to, there was no way I as an American would or even could fit into living in a Muslim Middle Eastern country. Nor would I want to, the cultures are just too different.
Likewise, the immigrants from these countries do not and cannot fit into a Western Judao Christian culture. Europe is seeing first hand that it doesn't work. American is starting to realize it as well. The people from these countries need to go back to their home countries and work towards making them better places.
My personality is (partly) being stupidly bloody-mindedly stubborn.
That, and that it's a conscious choice: I decided decades ago to refuse the common subconscious conditioning that anger (or any emotion) is a "negative" one.
What you do with the anger (and not what it makes you do) is what counts. Even or especially if you're angry at yourself - to me, becoming angry is a far better cure for depression than anything else.
It sounds much grander than it is in practicality, but you know me and my purple prose.
Also, consider this: knowing what's wrong means being able to combat it. Compare it to thr struggle of the labour movement: they started out in the 1810s or thenabouts, but it took them until the 1910s to become a power and post-WW2 to have their parties (Socialist Democrat ones) cementing their grip on said power.
Almost 200 years, where the originators of the struggle knew full well that they'd probably wouldn't see any victory in their lifetime.
Got six bottles of apple-something or other made from mom's apples, waiting for Jul.
Speaking of preservation and such, we accidentally made fermented beetroots earlier this year. Looked like something out of "Re-Animator" when I popped the lid off of one of the jars and was greeted with a crimson spray.
Taste was... sort of like waking up hungover having slept with the mouth open.
going through my father's mountains of saved papers and documents and pictures and treasures, I found a speech (printed out on paper in what appears to be size 7 font, very tiny) from Geert Wilders. I am believe it was made in New York in 2010. It was really eye opening but it appears that most eyes are looking away now.
I would, but only in the face, both just for the simple joy of pissing in their faces, and also to protect the head so their suffering could last longer.
The British voters tried to close their open borders with the Brexit vote, and the only change they received was more restrictions on British travel and residency in Europe. Borders opened even wider post Brexit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
All roads lead to Brexit. What you say is not true. First many of the Pakistanis and others (we had a particular soft-spot for machette wielding Somali youths) came in legally - many with familial connexions - because that was policy determined in 1997 by the then Labour Government and continued under the Conservatives.
UK was never part of the borderless Schengen Agreement which had nothing to do with EU membership - Ireland isn’t either - and pre-dates the EU go8ng back to, I think, 1986.
Therefore a British passport was always required at point of entry to enter the Schengen zone when travelling from UK, but once within the zone no passport was required to transit between Schengen Countries. And please don’t argue because I travelled regularly on business to Europe, between 1977 and 1999, then lived 20 years in France.
So Brexit has nothing to do with the thousands paddling across the Channel, but everything to do with Governments who want to let it happen.
There is no restriction on travel in Europe or residency for British people. British citizens travelled and settled in Europe, particularly France and Spain prior to the EU which dates only from 1992 - Treaty of Maastricht, and even before EEC membership, 1973. Spain didn’t join the EEC until 1986, yet it had many British citizens resident there long before that - it was particularly popular with retired criminals. (No extradition treaty back then.)
EU rules are that stay in a Member State is limited to 90 days, after which it is necessary to show permanency of residency - evidence of permanent stay for previous 90 days, and regularity, which means ability to support oneself and not be a burden to the host State, and particularly if you want access to State health schemes and welfare system.
British people can still stay for 90 days, but if they want to stay longer they have to apply for residency. It’s not a big deal and was that way prior to 1992. Somehow Britain coped with existence prior to 1992.
This is dealt with differently depending on which Country. When I moved to France in 2002, I was obliged to get une Carte de Séjoir - residents permit, although I was not required to renew it - in order to join l’Assurance Maladie. I had to provide documentary evidence of my means to sustain myself without being a possible burden on the State.
In Germany and Italy, I believe a citizen of another EU Country must register on arrival if intending to become resident.
There is a great deal of uninformed chit-chat about Brexit, all from those who opposed it.
All ills these days are due to :Brexit; Climate Change; Trump - although not necessarily in that order.
COVID 19 as well I believe. I consider that Brexit was necessary but certain people were rather annoyed about this and COVID 19 was a good excuse to to try and put a spanner in the works.
I saw that recently Guy Verhofstadt attended a rally in Westminster with the aim of getting the UK back in the EU. What I think of this and the man is unrepeatable here but it seems that many who opposed Brexit were not even British.
In New Zealand and Australia we lost our British passports in 1948. Passports, anywhere, only existed from about 1919 but the removal of our British citizenship seems to have been hardly reported on at the time.
I'm not sure what the thinking was behind it but it wasn't for independence from the Bank of England as we ain't got that. Maybe it was the Federal Reserve garnering ownership entitlements as in 66 & 67 we both converted our currencies to the dollar albeit a local version.
I didn't know that, thanks Richard. It does seem like New Zealand and Australia were joining a new empire, the USA. 66 & 67 were pivotal years for a lot of things that started going wrong in the UK.
The thing that nobody comments on here in NZ is that this is an abrogation of the Waitangi Treaty which made Maori (and anybody else in NZ) British Citizens. This Treaty is currently being used to bludgeon us and to try and create a two tier society and is held in awe by the so called left.
It was also never ratified apparently. It's all one big fucking joke really.
30 years ago when in Belgium still, and looking for a job, I was offered to work for an organization that 'took care' of refugees. I found out they pay these refugees more per month then I would make working there, so I thanked them and let them find another who wanted to do that. (you also had to go shopping for these refugees, and they ordered the most expensive brands of everything. why not give them the cheap product? what right do these refugees have to the taxpayer money?)
that is what I understand from several sources - that is why one should not allow these young men at all. Families with small children fleeing violence, is understandable. But these young people want to bring their country to the UK. Or to Germany. They want to take over. And there are many of them now. If the govt does not interfere yesterday it will be too late
I am tired of hearing of families fleeing conflict. They have men. They are the protectors, especially in cultures that have traditional gender roles. They should protect their own and the wealthy Muslim nations can take them in.
you are right. why would they want to flee that far to begin with? they could go just across the border, where people still speak their language and have a similar culture.
Most places where Islam is the norm are tribal. They have considerable internal conflict. Most Islamic nations will not tolerate even other Muslims partly for this reason.
Egypt and Jordan have categorically ruled out taking any Palestinian refugees.
More worryingly, Islamic scholars in the Arab world have warned European nations to not take Muslim immigrants and to deport those who have settled in Europe.
You know it is bad when their own people encourage you to send them home. Their rationale is that Europe and North America lack the authoritarian nature to correctly discipline and keep the Muslims in line. Only other muslim nations can do this. What do you do when their top scholars are condemning your own government for their dangerous liberal ideas?
Nations are forged in conflict. There is a somewhat famous video that did the rounds a few years ago. In Berlin. A Syrian fellow waxing lyrical about how great Syria is, being lambasted by a German chap asking why he wasn't there fighting for this supposed great country and protecting the women? It is fascinating seeing how badly Arab men can handle this kind of challenge. All talk and no trousers. Immediate backdown and a quick escape.
of course the fact that English is way easier might help LOL. I know a few Americans who know Chinese. Don't ask me how they did it, I couldnt learn it if I wanted even though I am good at languages
Eugyppius speaks and writes very well in English actually, albeit with a strange sprinkling of American. I don't know how he picked up our idioms but I prefer it. I hear young Brits using 'like' as punctuation and using the rising inflection and want to strangle them.
Also true. But such as exists can be 'educated' out of people. This is in large measure the tragedy of our era. “A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.” (Saul Bellow)
i will note though that when i first began visiting the uk in the '70s, i was astonished at the number of native britons of working age who were on the dole and seemed to have zero incentive to get off it. this is just an expansion of a not-so-good idea.
and to be fair--don't colonize places whose people you might not want to show up later in your own living room.
Exactly, and this is just the problem. Arrogantly take over and smash someone else's country (neocons), and then welcome the refugees (virtue-signalling libs). Two sides of the same coin.
"Oh no, we did Bad Thing (even if it was decades or centuries ago), therefore if we do the opposite thing it must be Good Thing!"
That things are rarely organised in binary pairs when it comes to the social sciences-stuff never seem to occur to decision-makers, academics and such.
"We polluted via industry. Therefore, no industry must be good!"
Agreed, on the virtue-signalling libs part. But the aggressive policies of the neocons in assaulting other countries for no very good reason is concurrent, and contributes to the cycle. We destroy previously stable communities in Middle Eastern countries or elsewhere, and then get a crop of refugees in Europe and America whose attitudes toward us are understandably negative.
Conservatives who took the jingo card to beat up the ill-favored foreigners on the other side of the world are then morally weakened for the critical job of defending their own borders from the human wreckage they gleefully made.
Socialism. The Labour Party won the 1945 General Election by promising a war weary population lots of ‘free’ stuff. It then nationalised industry and healthcare and established a National, taxpayer funded charity - the welfare state…. cradle to the grave.
Britain was bankrupt. The new welfare state cost a fortune, but never mind, the profits from the nationalised industries would fund it instead of going to ‘greedy’ capitalists.
However, after two wars within 30 years, there was a labour shortage. So inward migration was encouraged, from former empire Countries, largely India/Pakistan and West Indies. Cheap labour for the new National Health Service was needed, so doctors and nurses recruited abroad.
Any British subject in the British Empire was entitled to a British passport, which allowed them to travel to, reside in and work in the UK. In other words, immigrants had a Right to come to Britain. That was changed in 1968, to close the flood gates.
Some commentators here don’t seem to understand. Britain’s immigrant crisis isn’t some external cause, it is internal. It isn’t a situation caused by peoples abroad wanting to take over, it is entirely the policy of Governments since the war to bring in cheap labour, and in the case of the Labour Party, to provide it with votes from poor, illiterates whom in can exploit for political advantage.
But without outside investment, without profit incentive, heavily unionised as per Socialist ‘workers control means of production’, the State industries become bloated, wage demands unreasonable, cost more and more, uncompetitive.
Old industries - shipbuilding, iron & steel, heavy engineering, the motor industry were in competition with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and a rebuilding Europe, and couldn’t survive.
They started shedding workers who went on the dole… and stayed there because there were no new jobs and incomers would take available jobs prepared to work less than what being on welfare paid.
The Irish and the Swedes didn't colonize. This is lazy thinking. Immigration policy is set by the government and the mass migrations we see are intentional. Empire has nothing to do with it.
The reasoning is also backward. When the Indians wished Britain to leave they did so in 1947. Every white European left. So the legacy is one of rejecting multiculturalism.
This is about suicidal liberalism, not imperialism. Almost every country has a murky history.
India is dominated by Hindus who abuse Sikhs and Muslims. They even abuse each other with their caste system. They expelled the Muslims who created Pakistan precisely because they rejected multiculturalism. What don't you get about this? Most cultures don't mix. Newcomers can indeed migrate but the principle method to accommodate them is assimilation. When they create distinct enclaves they fail to assimilate. This causes conflict, especially if there are groups hostile to the basis of your society. Many Muslims, for example, view Western democracy as evil.
Scotlands minister said over and over all professions listing these professions in the audio I heard, are populated by too many white people . Image going to another country say India or Zambia and saying too many dark people in all the country’s jobs. Globalist chaos inducing CRT applied unequally! Mind wars in action,resist call out counter nonsense.
You hit the nail squarely on the head, John! "Diversity" isn't strength, as my Crime Minister would have us to believe; it's a weakness! MANY years ago, I was taught in school that strength is teamwork...unity. It looks like Isaish 5: 20 is happening all over again...good is being called evil, and evil is being accepted as good. Men are now women, and women are now men. Mass confusion + mass psychosis = the fall of great empires.
On that note, there is a nice article on Tuesday from Tichys Einblick about the collapse of fiber expansion in Germany. The companies appear to be going bankrupt. And Germany currently is at 19% fiber, the European average is 56%.
Were I live, all the streets have been dug up and the fiber has been laid, but for months nothing has been happening. Not even putting back the tarmac and filling up random holes. In a neighboring village, friends say that everything in the street and in the houses is finished, but nobody has flipped the switch to turn it on for over a year.
Germany should build hundreds of data centers. I live in Loudoun County and I believe we are the data center galleria - -- -- lighting speed super fast internets.... but😱🎯💣
Funny how NGOs and third worlders seem to be able to figure out how to move millions of migrants to Europe, but the reverse logistical operation of deporting them is so daunting that the police estimate it will take decades to remove even a few tens of thousands. Since the two operations are on the face of it equivalent - they both come down to moving around large numbers of people en masse - the apparently intractable nature of deportations is quite mystifying.
Especially considering that Pakistan, which surely has much less state capacity than Germany, just removed 1.7 million Afghans.
It's almost like the German government is ideologically committed to punishing its native population for the crime of being German, and therefore only ever takes action that harms them.
Almost certainly. But the childless middle aged women won't allow this, because that would deprive their surrogate babies of money. The females will need to be removed from power before anything can be done about the migrants.
If they do not give the correct response, detain them and summon reiforcements.
If the person(s) approaching do not comply with orders to stop and stand still, fire a warning shot.
If they still disobey, shoot them.
It's that easy to remove invaders, and that's exactly the way Pakistan did it, and the afghans moved because they know that to refuse and make trouble would equal being shot on the spot.
It really is that easy, and anyone not understanding that shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold office.
The language being used tells us everything about this: “irregular migration” (completely glosses over the legality issues) and “refugee migration” (assumes that every entrant has a legitimate asylum claim).
That reminds me, "Flüchtling", the proper German word for refugee, is strongly discouraged by the left in favour of the clunky passive "Geflüchtete" (roughly "those who have fled"). One of the ugliest pieces of language engineering. The new word of choice has no gender and insinuates a lack of agency.
It is a weird self-loathing post WWII, where Germans aren’t allowed to have any patriotism for their country (hence these weird controls on flags that only can come out during World Cup). Now it is mixed in with this weird self-loathing anti-white narrative. We see that here in the US too with American Jews who love/loathe Israel. We clearly see where that got them right now.
Eugyppius, I usually agree with many of your Views/Insights but here I have to disagree:
These scumbags are NOT powerless. They WANT mass immigration from shithole countries. Just like the lunatic left in the US, they hate a homogenous white population. Not sure why, but hey, they are crazy....
I would say, this was generally true through the later 2010s, but the current crisis has gotten out of hand, is very bad for them, and if they could pull a lever and turn it off they would. It's going to be the end of the current German government.
Sorry, Eugyppius, I don’t understand why they couldn’t pull a lever. Why can’t they protect the boarders like they did in 2020? Why can’t they make other decisions that would solve this crisis ?
It's very instructive to compare the two moments, 2020 and 2023. In the pandemic, it was by and large the nation states that took steps to limit travel and close borders, but legally the EU is responsible for migration and particularly asylum. In this and some other respects, the EU is entrusted with state responsibilities but for a lot of reasons can't fulfil them.
Other forces at issue too: There's a whole NGO scene that drives open-border policies out of sheer momentum (all those careers tied up in it, all that funding), much the same is true for the policy formulation apparatus in the major parties. During the pandemic a separate set of bureaucratic forces superseded these, but they're back in control now.
my basic theory about open borders, is that the political establishment among other things want a client class at the bottom. it's supposed to be stabilising for the current elite, in other words, however much it represents a crime against us natives. arguably mass immigration functioned more or less in this fashion through the merkel years, but the tidal wave is so unrelenting it's now having an opposite, destabilising effect, and it would be better for scholz and co., pragmatically speaking, if they could stop or at least moderate the influx.
Non homogenous nation=>less trust in your neighbour => low-trust society => means more power for the government as everyone will look for protection/help from higher authority
I´m not sure why they had the meeting in the first place. Perhaps their ends would´ve been better served by just distracting the public and "driving another sow through the village".
This is the third public posturefest I've heard of in the last two days. There was the (don't mention Israel) ARC conference in London, and another (don't mention Naomi Wolf) conference at the Liberalism-R-Us Brownstein Institute in Dallas.
Seems everyone is blowing warm air around and feeling really good about themselves.
The purpose was a clumsy way to scope out the needs of the states and the federation. It is almost un-edited, with 17 hours of waffle condensed into a loopy extended 10 point plan with three declarations, which don't provide a direction of travel.
The 17 hour meeting should have slept and then taken another 10 hours to put this bag of stuff into some sort of shape. Or called ChatGP.
What is your solution? As I understand, it is a stricter monitoring of the EU's outer borders. But even if it was possible to effectively control the entire Mediterranean, what are you going to with boats coming from Libya? Libya is not a safe place to push migrants back to. Do you just want to do it anyway because if the people on the boat aren't Libyans, they made the choice of going there in the first place? I disagree, but I understand the logic.
What I fundamentally disagree with is the underlying notion that the large number of migrants and refugees is mainly the direct consequence of our supposedly welcoming policies. I mean, to some extent that is true as migrants will obviously prefer a country with a good social welfare system, all else being equal. But doesn't the US also attract large numbers of migrants without a comparable welfare state? We could start a race to the bottom in Europe, even though I think the living conditions for refugees are already quite poor right now. But even if they got nothing but water and bread, I'm sure they would still try to come in the millions. because social benefits only add a layer of security, but the vast majority comes to work. People will come as long as there is a good chance of finding a job in Germany that pays enough to live AND support your family back home with much more than an average wage there.
I think the main reason for migration are the extreme economic disparaties between richer and poorer countries, paired with the internet that a) makes these disparities ever more visible, e.g. by showing poor Africans the life their friends and relatives live in Europe on their instagram feeds and b) makes migration more comfortable as you can stay in touch with your family, support them through mobile payment etc.
My solution is an end to EU jurisdiction over these matters, probably an end to Schengen as it exists now, a return to national European borders, and a reassignment of responsibility for border security to the member states. These states absolutely can, and historically have, managed travel across their borders, in the same way they police traffic, collect taxes, and widely enforce even minor items of the criminal code across their millions and millions of residents. Border security is not beyond the capability of modern states.
As for Libya and the relative safety and security of the migrants: Europe will have to stop caring about these things if it wants to survive. I care about the safety and security of the third world, as much as third worlders care about my safety and security.
Although you're surely right that there would be migrant pressure on Europe without the welfare state, it's also true that within the EU the most favoured migrant destinations are those countries with the best benefits packages. This is just objectively true. As things stand now, less hospitable countries like Denmark or Hungary see vastly fewer asylum applications. There will indeed, almost inevitably, be a race to the bottom sooner or later which will just punish the more generous hold-out states – I even posted about this dynamic back in October.
You forgot Poland. They don't seem to be letting the migrants anywhere near them even despite being a part of Shengen right now. When I went from Nuremberg in May this year (at 1am arriving in Nuremberg by train is plain dangerous due to Syrian refugees) to Warsaw, Gdansk and Krakow the difference was stark. They did though have huge numbers of police out to protect the transgenders in Gdansk towards the end of my stay there.
We have to be careful that this race to the bottom doesn't incentivize criminal behaviour though. If people are allowed to stay, they must be allowed to work legally, and ideally they should also get free language classes to enable them to integrate into society as quickly as possible. If someone is definitely not allowed to stay legally, a quick deportation is certainly sensible. But that's easier said than done. A fair process costs time. People who don't cooperate, e.g. by losing their documents cost time, nerves, and resources. Lastly, countries refuse to take people back.
My ideal solution would be open borders even if it comes at a high cost for us. I didn't choose to be born in one of the richest countries of the world, and I don't see why someone who happened to be born in a poor country shouldn't have the same right to live in Europe. But I realize that this position is shared only by a small minority of people and the only major party where open borders are really popular is currently destroying itself, in part over exactly this topic. I also realize that it's in the rich countries' interest to limit and control migration, so while I think open borders would be the morally preferable way, I know it's utopian. That said, the EU showed that open borders can work at least when economic differences are not too extreme. I was sad about border closures being reintroduced i 2020. I grew up in Aachen, in walking distance from the Netherlands and Belgium, I often would visit friends on the other side of the border after school. At least in border regions, the quality of life would decrease a lot if you would need to wait in line and show your passports any time you would want to go from one place to the next.
If you grew up in walking distance from other countries which have completely different culture, different mentality, different values, you would be very happy to have a well protected border.
Out of interest, what countries are you thinking about? Culture is a continuum, and it is rare that two neighboring countries differ extremely. Of course, religion is a factor, but I wouldn't necessarily say e.g. Turkey and Greece are culturally more distant from each other than say Sweden and Greece.
That is exactly why an open border allowing you to roam beyond Aachen was not a problem. When you allow someone to come from Pakistan to Aachen, there is no continuum of culture; recent history shows there may well be a violent clash.
That's what I mean. I took these two countries as an example of two neighboring countries that are arguably culturally more dissimilar than Germany and the Netherlands because they have a different majority religion. But religion aside, there are nonetheless many similarities between Turkish and Greek culture. I can't think of any country where you would cross a land border and find yourself in a completely different world.
I believe the US DOES offer much more money to illegal immigrants, they incentivize them in thousands of ways. They get 2,200 per month and when family units split up on purpose, they make that 4,400 per month. They get free housing, food and education and credits for transportation. The average American pension is 1,400 per month. I’m just shocked how little Germany is offering!
It may be unsafe to ship people back to Libya, but if you have all the able bodied men leave the country and leave the women and children behind, well, who is keeping the women and children safe back in Libya?
Libya is only a transit country for the vast majority. I just checked statistics about Mediterranean sea and land arrivals on the UNHCR website: https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/mediterranean I don't know how comprehensive the data is, but according to UNHCR, 40% of arrivals are women and children.
My understanding is that the US now grants illegal immigrants a monthly subsidy a bit greater than our Social Security system does for our own retirees who paid into it all their working lives.
"Without a comparable welfare state?" People are strolling across the Mexico-US border, boarding chartered buses, then living in government-commandeered hotels in New York City and elsewhere.
The most obvious way to detect it is by trying to be part of the solution. If the people are part of the solution, it likely is not corrupted. If the solutions only come from top down centralized entities, it is likely corrupted.
The solution to the corruption is new decentralized and transparent systems, called Human Swarm Intelligence systems.
Humans solve problems better in groups. Like a think tank, you can be part of the solution:
well, don't feel too bad. pakistan got utterly destroyed by unrestrained inflow of afghan refugees. now 40 years later they're finally throwing them out.
2016 gave us Brexit, in Britain the Tories are about to be destroyed in a General Election and it's because of the boats and 600k legal immigrants last year, the highest in the history of these islands. Whatever happens next is going to be bigger than Brexit.
This weekend the Muslims are going to protest on Remembrance Sunday which is the nearest thing we have left to a sacred event. I hope that there will be mass riots and the public will be forced to notice. An attempt was made to abuse the Cenotaph during the race protests in 2020, we'll see how that fares this time
What is it particularly about German liberalism that fuels support for mass migration? I understand that throughout the western world, incl. the U.S., there's a desire to reduce the power and presence of anyone white and Christian, but in the U.S., there's the additional theory that Democrat leaders support migration to drive up Democrat vote tallies (though they seem to have enough ways to cheat to win anyway). What's going on in Germany? Is it just hatred of anything white and Christian?
Ideologically I'm sure especially the social democrats and the greens welcome this, but pragmatically it's a catastrophe for them. Similar story with international orgs like the EU: if they can't fix this, it will in the longer term be the end of them.
It took some of us less than 17 seconds 30 years ago to realise where importing, impoverished, uneducated, skill-free, people from shit-holes and conflict zones with incompatible cultures would lead. Another one of those conspiracy theories... and bonus - racist.
A few weeks ago streets in northern English towns were lined with Pakistani flags with Pakistani immigrants celebrating. Why? Pakistan independence day, when Pakistanis no longer lived under British rule... then moved to Britain to live under British rule. There’s something about that picture I’m not seeing.
I've been called every political slur you can imagine since before the year 2 000 for pointing out the obvious.
Nowadays, when the people who called me the vilest things simply because I've stated things like "Sweden is the land of the swedish people, and no-one elses" wring their hands and ask "somebody do something" and "why didn't anyone speak out", I simply tell them:
"You did this. Now suffer. Don't ask me for help. Don't ask me or others like me to save you. Just explain to your son when he's robbed and pissed on by arabs and negroes that you his parent wanted them here. Explain to your daughter when afghans gang-rape her while filming it, that to not let tens of thousands of adult afghan men into Sweden would have been racist."
Now, they ask me and others like me to volunteer in case of war.
When I've asked:
"If a russian soldier was to invade my home and I kill him, I'm a hero - but if a negro migrant invades my home and I kill him, I'm a criminal. Explain to me the difference." people just scream that "it's different".
No, it's not.
I wouldn't even piss on "anti-racists" if they were on fire.
I remember the Belgian political party vlaams blok, they were called neonazis because they said Belgium for Belgians first. I thought they were right. If there is a leftover, you can give it away. But to first give to others and then to your own people - well we all can see where it leads now.
all this is true.
i disagree with you only in your often-expressed perspective on the nature of america, because we are not europe. the melting pot concept of america was always a wise one. ironically, some of the groups most resistant to melting include very pale non-muslims.
our foundational documents derived from the secular fruit of the western enlightenment are wise ones. the abandonment of those principles is our destruction.
The "melting pot" was cooked up by greedy politicians and totally naive Christians, who somehow thought Christ was an egalitarian Marxist...The US is being destroyed because Jewish congressmen with the help of drunkard Ted Kennedy passed the 1965 Immigration Act, opening our doors to the refuse from the 3d world, while limiting immigration from civilized white nations...now Biden is letting everyone on the planet sneak in...
america is not a christian nation.
If it once was, clearly no longer .
Try again
Estimates from 2021 suggest that of the entire U.S. population (332 million) about 63% is Christian (210 million).
try to understand the meanings of words and the nuances contained therein.
this is not a christian nation.
To add to it, I am a white from a '3rd" world country, but I will not be allowed into the US, even legal asylum seekers from Zimbabwe that are white are refused, so it seems you have to also be not white even though the whites in South Africa are killed in ways that make the Hamas look like kindergarten bullies
"Melting pot" means either the destruction of every culture going into it and the conscious social engineering of something new where ethnicity, culture, racial heritage and so on aren't intrinsical, inherited and essential; or is simply a euphemism for (forcibly) assimilating all other cultures into the dominant one.
All empires and multi-cultural states must employ one or the other, out of necessity - and today also because acknowledging why it must be so is politically incorrect.
when i was a little girl in public school, we were all americans though every one of us had a particular cultural heritage too. kids went to after-school greek school hebrew school, etc. i struggled to fully understand that some people actually had grandparents who didn't speak with an accent.
to be an american was not a blood inheritance but a gift of citizenship. my great-uncle born in ukraine was buried with a us veteran's honors when he died at 91.
This is the difference you spoke about: my understanding of "american" will always be an outsider's one. Not even if I was to move there would I understand - not intuitively, naturally or emotionally - the feeling (?) you describe.
The opposite is also true: swedish is something one can only be born as, it cannot be "learnt" via integration or assimilation.
But the way things are going, both your understanding and mine of our respective nationalities may very well be gone inside three generations, being replaced by some kind of globalist corporate engineered "world citizen"-abomination.
coming of age in the civil rights era and during the vietnam war, i was not yet able to understand the true and enduring value of what our founders crafted for us. so it pissed me off with a vengeance when i first began to travel abroad and even amongst young people of similar size, shape and coloration, people spotted me at once as an american.
took me a full lifetime to finally appreciate being of the ruffian sort.
being a fairly recent immigrant in US I can see both ways - I am nowhere near understanding how americans can be so bound to a country, in Belgium we don't seem to have that. Especially since all white and black americans are immigrants. In a way even Mexican people are more homey in the US than overseas people. And you hardly meet natives... I have only seen a few while travelling.
I think a lot of it is the narrative preached in the media and schools. Back then, America was a sacred ideal, and becoming American was something to strive for. Now, our children are taught to despise heritage Americans collectively, and are left as morally second-class citizens to admire and envy only the Other, who has a cultural heritage to be proud of, and who has more right to the nation's bounty than they do.
conservatives let it happen because they too were largely morons about the values in our foundational documents. and now here we are.
If the migrants have filled all the high rise buildings and sky scrapers ,the overflow can then be housed in the zoo .
I agree, but now the differences are accentuated not celebrated and quite often selectively accepted as tolerable
Yes, the latter. The idea being to allow and even thrive with people from different tribes, but all sharing the philosophical DNA of the founding of the country. Vivek Ramaswamy, for example. Clearly of East Indian descent, but seems to truly be an *American*.
We carry the Enlightenment Man's Burden, and I'm comfortable saying so, and declaring that philosophy superior.
The last talking point I heard was that America was a "salad bowl" rather than a melting pot.
Really. Not making this up.
The melting pot as you call it was always in reference to the largest influx of migrants—those who came from Europe! Never was before a worldwide phenomena on par as to what it is today. Those migrants were White and Christian in the main. After 1964 and Hart-Celler Act, we began to import populace from races and cultures and religions very dissimilar to the US founding stock. That is the essence of the problem today here and in Europe.
It has never worked in the history of man, nor will it work now. Proximity plus diverse cultures equals violence.
You can forget making to make SCA see the problem with the current mass unregulated immigration. There are certain people in America who while not being woke are still very much blinded to what's going on. My 70 year old mother thought everything was fine until 2022 when I visited with her and shoed her things outside of the main stream media. As an older person she was convinced that her national and local news channel's were %100 reliable. They even convinced her Trump was Hitler reincarnated and now she's pro-Trump.
We often are critical of the younger woke people who are leading society to self destruct but they aren't the only dangerous groups. There's a sizeable number of Americans who are very much ignorant to what's going on because they trust their main stream news media sources.
this comment of yours has no relation to anything i've said.
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Unfortunately Trump is a fraud and a paper tiger. He barely deported anyone, he dumped many criminals on the streets with the first step act, his deficits were horrible even before covid, and his covid lockdown policies were catastrophic and horrendous. Worst of all he still denies he made any mistakes on covid and STILL praises his warp speed injections and spits on the vaccine injured by saying they don’t exist because it didn’t happen to him. And somehow this is what some people call a populist!
Trump is not a fraud nor a paper tiger. National leaders of China, North Korea and Russia don't concede to paper tigers. yes he screwed up on some things like deportation but you're leaving out teh fact that much of the Federal Government was working against him precisely because he's not an establishment controlled president. As for the jab, yes he was %1900 wrong on that and still is. That said you're never going to have a president that doesn't do or believe something you disagree with.
He is a populist and his support of the covid jab doesn't negate that.
america and the culture born here are unlike any other place in the history of the world.
Well, it *was*, but then we stopped insisting on assimilation.
that's what comes from abandoning foundational principles. conservatives are crying now? they helped to make this mess.
The tribes in the jungles of the Congo and the Amazon did get the news that in all northern lands there is global warming going on .and moving there including their jungle culture will be a welcome improvement for the former inhabitants .All of the BLACK forest is now designated as a new homeland for the Blacks of the Congo .
And allowing mass unregulated immigration of people is an abandonment of our principles. The "melting pot" you refer to is from an age when we did have a lot of regulated immigration of people from cultures willing to melt with the existing society versus the illegals today who bring their culture and ideology with the intent of not blending in but making America another Sharia run nation.
Or Halacha run nation
I doubt any immigrants coming in illegally follow Halacha
The melting pot was never a part of America until the 1960s and the civil rights era to smooth over things between whites and blacks. Prior to that they had very specific immigration policy. It was so strict they agonized over importing Swedes and Germans because they worried they'd be too different from the British stock.
Multiculturalism does not work, as America is demonstrating. It will almost certainly split along ethnic lines no matter how hard people try to stop it.
It is quite possible to discuss this sensibly without racism or condemning others. Culture matters. The Arab countries do not allow even fellow Arabs to move to their countries never mind Europeans. We are now learning why.
you seem not to understand the difference between immigration quotas and the creation of a national and social identity.
I do. And it is that identity that is being lost. Fewer and fewer blacks identify with traditional American holidays like July 4th, for example. That was not the case 40 years ago. Some hispanics are calling for their kids to be taught in Spanish, which is not a good sign.
What I am challenging is the America is a nation of immigrants. It was built by Northern Europeans and no one else. Once they relaxed that it began to decline.
That is not a dig at the immigrants. But a country is a people not a place.
The Chinese had to pay a head tax if they wanted to come to Canada to work on the railroads .After that they build their own china towns ,to live segregated .
My 70 year old third generation friends describe themselves as "bananas"- yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
Their second generation parents married Chinese and could speak Cantonese, my friends married white spouses. The Chinatowns are just remnants of their previous enclaves.
The Mandarin-speaking recent immigrants are a very different group, as are the 1990's Hong Kong pre-takeover Chinese who mostly speak English and Cantonese plus Mandarin.
Multiculturalism does not work. Muslims don't integrate and assimilate. It's against the Koran.
i have not used the term.
anyone can become an american.
I was a teacher in Iran for 2 years up through the end of the Shah, and in Saudi Arabia for the next 8 years. It was a fascinating experience, but it was very clear to me that even had I wanted to, there was no way I as an American would or even could fit into living in a Muslim Middle Eastern country. Nor would I want to, the cultures are just too different.
Likewise, the immigrants from these countries do not and cannot fit into a Western Judao Christian culture. Europe is seeing first hand that it doesn't work. American is starting to realize it as well. The people from these countries need to go back to their home countries and work towards making them better places.
How do you not spend most of the time being sad instead of angry?
Seriously, I could use some help. Är du snäll.
I think it's a two-part thing.
My personality is (partly) being stupidly bloody-mindedly stubborn.
That, and that it's a conscious choice: I decided decades ago to refuse the common subconscious conditioning that anger (or any emotion) is a "negative" one.
What you do with the anger (and not what it makes you do) is what counts. Even or especially if you're angry at yourself - to me, becoming angry is a far better cure for depression than anything else.
It sounds much grander than it is in practicality, but you know me and my purple prose.
Also, consider this: knowing what's wrong means being able to combat it. Compare it to thr struggle of the labour movement: they started out in the 1810s or thenabouts, but it took them until the 1910s to become a power and post-WW2 to have their parties (Socialist Democrat ones) cementing their grip on said power.
Almost 200 years, where the originators of the struggle knew full well that they'd probably wouldn't see any victory in their lifetime.
To fight is to live, after all.
>> To fight is to live, after all.
Skol.
Skål!
Got six bottles of apple-something or other made from mom's apples, waiting for Jul.
Speaking of preservation and such, we accidentally made fermented beetroots earlier this year. Looked like something out of "Re-Animator" when I popped the lid off of one of the jars and was greeted with a crimson spray.
Taste was... sort of like waking up hungover having slept with the mouth open.
*hysterical laughter* But I love that you still tasted it.
I hope the Mars people will treat us kindly ,once we are forced to become migrants to Mars because we ran out of standing room on earth .
Being 1/32th Martian myself, I should do great.
going through my father's mountains of saved papers and documents and pictures and treasures, I found a speech (printed out on paper in what appears to be size 7 font, very tiny) from Geert Wilders. I am believe it was made in New York in 2010. It was really eye opening but it appears that most eyes are looking away now.
Geert is a true Patriot.
Brilliant
I would, but only in the face, both just for the simple joy of pissing in their faces, and also to protect the head so their suffering could last longer.
The British voters tried to close their open borders with the Brexit vote, and the only change they received was more restrictions on British travel and residency in Europe. Borders opened even wider post Brexit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
All roads lead to Brexit. What you say is not true. First many of the Pakistanis and others (we had a particular soft-spot for machette wielding Somali youths) came in legally - many with familial connexions - because that was policy determined in 1997 by the then Labour Government and continued under the Conservatives.
UK was never part of the borderless Schengen Agreement which had nothing to do with EU membership - Ireland isn’t either - and pre-dates the EU go8ng back to, I think, 1986.
Therefore a British passport was always required at point of entry to enter the Schengen zone when travelling from UK, but once within the zone no passport was required to transit between Schengen Countries. And please don’t argue because I travelled regularly on business to Europe, between 1977 and 1999, then lived 20 years in France.
So Brexit has nothing to do with the thousands paddling across the Channel, but everything to do with Governments who want to let it happen.
There is no restriction on travel in Europe or residency for British people. British citizens travelled and settled in Europe, particularly France and Spain prior to the EU which dates only from 1992 - Treaty of Maastricht, and even before EEC membership, 1973. Spain didn’t join the EEC until 1986, yet it had many British citizens resident there long before that - it was particularly popular with retired criminals. (No extradition treaty back then.)
EU rules are that stay in a Member State is limited to 90 days, after which it is necessary to show permanency of residency - evidence of permanent stay for previous 90 days, and regularity, which means ability to support oneself and not be a burden to the host State, and particularly if you want access to State health schemes and welfare system.
British people can still stay for 90 days, but if they want to stay longer they have to apply for residency. It’s not a big deal and was that way prior to 1992. Somehow Britain coped with existence prior to 1992.
This is dealt with differently depending on which Country. When I moved to France in 2002, I was obliged to get une Carte de Séjoir - residents permit, although I was not required to renew it - in order to join l’Assurance Maladie. I had to provide documentary evidence of my means to sustain myself without being a possible burden on the State.
In Germany and Italy, I believe a citizen of another EU Country must register on arrival if intending to become resident.
There is a great deal of uninformed chit-chat about Brexit, all from those who opposed it.
All ills these days are due to :Brexit; Climate Change; Trump - although not necessarily in that order.
COVID 19 as well I believe. I consider that Brexit was necessary but certain people were rather annoyed about this and COVID 19 was a good excuse to to try and put a spanner in the works.
I saw that recently Guy Verhofstadt attended a rally in Westminster with the aim of getting the UK back in the EU. What I think of this and the man is unrepeatable here but it seems that many who opposed Brexit were not even British.
In New Zealand and Australia we lost our British passports in 1948. Passports, anywhere, only existed from about 1919 but the removal of our British citizenship seems to have been hardly reported on at the time.
I'm not sure what the thinking was behind it but it wasn't for independence from the Bank of England as we ain't got that. Maybe it was the Federal Reserve garnering ownership entitlements as in 66 & 67 we both converted our currencies to the dollar albeit a local version.
I didn't know that, thanks Richard. It does seem like New Zealand and Australia were joining a new empire, the USA. 66 & 67 were pivotal years for a lot of things that started going wrong in the UK.
Now Australia, NZ and Canada are captured by the WEF and run by Young Global Leaders. www.maloneinstitute.org
The thing that nobody comments on here in NZ is that this is an abrogation of the Waitangi Treaty which made Maori (and anybody else in NZ) British Citizens. This Treaty is currently being used to bludgeon us and to try and create a two tier society and is held in awe by the so called left.
It was also never ratified apparently. It's all one big fucking joke really.
They are not in Britain to live under British rule. As they have repeatedly told anyone who will listen they are in the UK to take over.
This is the appropriate quote, widely known by the ethnic group you mentioned.
>We will use their democracy to take power, then we will use Sharia to bury them.
That quote is specifically aimed at the British.
Same in Germany, a Muslim said this directly to my old mother on public transport. At the time she volunteered in a refugee facility.
30 years ago when in Belgium still, and looking for a job, I was offered to work for an organization that 'took care' of refugees. I found out they pay these refugees more per month then I would make working there, so I thanked them and let them find another who wanted to do that. (you also had to go shopping for these refugees, and they ordered the most expensive brands of everything. why not give them the cheap product? what right do these refugees have to the taxpayer money?)
It's called "Cloward-Piven". Meant to bankrupt the host country so the WEF can take over.
oh my gosh.
that is what I understand from several sources - that is why one should not allow these young men at all. Families with small children fleeing violence, is understandable. But these young people want to bring their country to the UK. Or to Germany. They want to take over. And there are many of them now. If the govt does not interfere yesterday it will be too late
I am tired of hearing of families fleeing conflict. They have men. They are the protectors, especially in cultures that have traditional gender roles. They should protect their own and the wealthy Muslim nations can take them in.
They never accomplished anything in the countries they come from ,that's why they leave to live off the fruits someone else now provides for them .
Well that is the 64,000 dollar question. If they are as talented as we are told why are their own countries failed states?
you are right. why would they want to flee that far to begin with? they could go just across the border, where people still speak their language and have a similar culture.
Most places where Islam is the norm are tribal. They have considerable internal conflict. Most Islamic nations will not tolerate even other Muslims partly for this reason.
Egypt and Jordan have categorically ruled out taking any Palestinian refugees.
More worryingly, Islamic scholars in the Arab world have warned European nations to not take Muslim immigrants and to deport those who have settled in Europe.
You know it is bad when their own people encourage you to send them home. Their rationale is that Europe and North America lack the authoritarian nature to correctly discipline and keep the Muslims in line. Only other muslim nations can do this. What do you do when their top scholars are condemning your own government for their dangerous liberal ideas?
Very good points that most don't know or can even imagine or consider.
Another reason is this:
Islamic scholars (of all the major schools) greatly fear a similar development as was caused by Martin Luther and the Enlightenment:
A modernised, secular islam under the sway of wordly authority and not under the thumb of of the priests.
Henry Kissinger of the WEF condemned Germany's immigration policy.
We didn't run during two total wars in the last century. That's why even Chinamen speak English, not the reverse.
Nations are forged in conflict. There is a somewhat famous video that did the rounds a few years ago. In Berlin. A Syrian fellow waxing lyrical about how great Syria is, being lambasted by a German chap asking why he wasn't there fighting for this supposed great country and protecting the women? It is fascinating seeing how badly Arab men can handle this kind of challenge. All talk and no trousers. Immediate backdown and a quick escape.
Pls send link, this sounds very amusing. The Arabs are feeble, so quarrelsome yet lack the ability to fight.
It was years ago. I will have a look online.
And yes many cultures are like this. Lots of bark but little bite.
of course the fact that English is way easier might help LOL. I know a few Americans who know Chinese. Don't ask me how they did it, I couldnt learn it if I wanted even though I am good at languages
I am told English is challenging to learn as a foreign language.
it was my third language after Dutch and French and I find it quite easy, although the writing is somewhat weird!
Eugyppius speaks and writes very well in English actually, albeit with a strange sprinkling of American. I don't know how he picked up our idioms but I prefer it. I hear young Brits using 'like' as punctuation and using the rising inflection and want to strangle them.
After 3+ years at a Western institution of 'higher education' it can take an infinitely long time to realise anything that requires common sense .
True. And common sense is not as common as supposed.
Also true. But such as exists can be 'educated' out of people. This is in large measure the tragedy of our era. “A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.” (Saul Bellow)
Accept foreigners from third-world countries, become a third-world country.
the cash benefits. but they're seeing them just fine.
Of course - we are idiots.
i will note though that when i first began visiting the uk in the '70s, i was astonished at the number of native britons of working age who were on the dole and seemed to have zero incentive to get off it. this is just an expansion of a not-so-good idea.
and to be fair--don't colonize places whose people you might not want to show up later in your own living room.
Exactly, and this is just the problem. Arrogantly take over and smash someone else's country (neocons), and then welcome the refugees (virtue-signalling libs). Two sides of the same coin.
Binary thinking in action.
"Oh no, we did Bad Thing (even if it was decades or centuries ago), therefore if we do the opposite thing it must be Good Thing!"
That things are rarely organised in binary pairs when it comes to the social sciences-stuff never seem to occur to decision-makers, academics and such.
"We polluted via industry. Therefore, no industry must be good!"
Really, the list is endless.
Agreed, on the virtue-signalling libs part. But the aggressive policies of the neocons in assaulting other countries for no very good reason is concurrent, and contributes to the cycle. We destroy previously stable communities in Middle Eastern countries or elsewhere, and then get a crop of refugees in Europe and America whose attitudes toward us are understandably negative.
Conservatives who took the jingo card to beat up the ill-favored foreigners on the other side of the world are then morally weakened for the critical job of defending their own borders from the human wreckage they gleefully made.
Socialism. The Labour Party won the 1945 General Election by promising a war weary population lots of ‘free’ stuff. It then nationalised industry and healthcare and established a National, taxpayer funded charity - the welfare state…. cradle to the grave.
Britain was bankrupt. The new welfare state cost a fortune, but never mind, the profits from the nationalised industries would fund it instead of going to ‘greedy’ capitalists.
However, after two wars within 30 years, there was a labour shortage. So inward migration was encouraged, from former empire Countries, largely India/Pakistan and West Indies. Cheap labour for the new National Health Service was needed, so doctors and nurses recruited abroad.
Any British subject in the British Empire was entitled to a British passport, which allowed them to travel to, reside in and work in the UK. In other words, immigrants had a Right to come to Britain. That was changed in 1968, to close the flood gates.
Some commentators here don’t seem to understand. Britain’s immigrant crisis isn’t some external cause, it is internal. It isn’t a situation caused by peoples abroad wanting to take over, it is entirely the policy of Governments since the war to bring in cheap labour, and in the case of the Labour Party, to provide it with votes from poor, illiterates whom in can exploit for political advantage.
But without outside investment, without profit incentive, heavily unionised as per Socialist ‘workers control means of production’, the State industries become bloated, wage demands unreasonable, cost more and more, uncompetitive.
Old industries - shipbuilding, iron & steel, heavy engineering, the motor industry were in competition with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and a rebuilding Europe, and couldn’t survive.
They started shedding workers who went on the dole… and stayed there because there were no new jobs and incomers would take available jobs prepared to work less than what being on welfare paid.
The mess we are in is entirely if our own making.
yes, as usul, the smart people fucked up badly again.
The Irish and the Swedes didn't colonize. This is lazy thinking. Immigration policy is set by the government and the mass migrations we see are intentional. Empire has nothing to do with it.
The reasoning is also backward. When the Indians wished Britain to leave they did so in 1947. Every white European left. So the legacy is one of rejecting multiculturalism.
This is about suicidal liberalism, not imperialism. Almost every country has a murky history.
indians themselves are multicultural.
vikings didn't colonize? gee. guess where the name "igor" came from.
That was 1 000 years ago - how is that at all relevant to today?
India is dominated by Hindus who abuse Sikhs and Muslims. They even abuse each other with their caste system. They expelled the Muslims who created Pakistan precisely because they rejected multiculturalism. What don't you get about this? Most cultures don't mix. Newcomers can indeed migrate but the principle method to accommodate them is assimilation. When they create distinct enclaves they fail to assimilate. This causes conflict, especially if there are groups hostile to the basis of your society. Many Muslims, for example, view Western democracy as evil.
Scandanavians were an important part of Rome. And Rome colonised most of Europe.
Is that your rationale for mass immigration of people who cannot assimilate? What their ancestors did millennia ago?
all these people should be sent back to where they belong - in Pakistan.
Scotlands minister said over and over all professions listing these professions in the audio I heard, are populated by too many white people . Image going to another country say India or Zambia and saying too many dark people in all the country’s jobs. Globalist chaos inducing CRT applied unequally! Mind wars in action,resist call out counter nonsense.
You hit the nail squarely on the head, John! "Diversity" isn't strength, as my Crime Minister would have us to believe; it's a weakness! MANY years ago, I was taught in school that strength is teamwork...unity. It looks like Isaish 5: 20 is happening all over again...good is being called evil, and evil is being accepted as good. Men are now women, and women are now men. Mass confusion + mass psychosis = the fall of great empires.
They're not under our rule, that's the problem!
This is happening because politicians want it to happen, and want it to continue to happen. It's the same in the U.S.
Why? End nationalism. New World Order. One World Government.
As per the WEF. Our politicians just happen to be their foot soldiers.
Financial benefits.....
As far as immigration policy goes. George Soros is in charge and makes Biden and Mayorkas dance.
That’s poetic.
lower energy post this evening, because among other things i am having extremely frustrating internet connectivity issues.
I blame the government.
Even when they aren't involved, it's a very satisfying thing to blame them. Ministeria delenda est.
Thank for your post, Eugyppius. I have been hoping and waiting for it.
We need a direct dial to Starlink for help :)
On that note, there is a nice article on Tuesday from Tichys Einblick about the collapse of fiber expansion in Germany. The companies appear to be going bankrupt. And Germany currently is at 19% fiber, the European average is 56%.
Were I live, all the streets have been dug up and the fiber has been laid, but for months nothing has been happening. Not even putting back the tarmac and filling up random holes. In a neighboring village, friends say that everything in the street and in the houses is finished, but nobody has flipped the switch to turn it on for over a year.
I should never have signed up for the nonsense.
Migrants chewing the wires??
Optus in Australia was out for long periods in the last 24 hours.
Germany should build hundreds of data centers. I live in Loudoun County and I believe we are the data center galleria - -- -- lighting speed super fast internets.... but😱🎯💣
Nuclear power is required for hundreds of data centres. Oh, Germany recently turned them off. D'oh!
Funny how NGOs and third worlders seem to be able to figure out how to move millions of migrants to Europe, but the reverse logistical operation of deporting them is so daunting that the police estimate it will take decades to remove even a few tens of thousands. Since the two operations are on the face of it equivalent - they both come down to moving around large numbers of people en masse - the apparently intractable nature of deportations is quite mystifying.
Especially considering that Pakistan, which surely has much less state capacity than Germany, just removed 1.7 million Afghans.
It's almost like the German government is ideologically committed to punishing its native population for the crime of being German, and therefore only ever takes action that harms them.
The Pakistani government gave them a date, 01 November and told them to be out by then.
We all know most would leave if you simply remove welfare. That's what the Danes did.
Almost certainly. But the childless middle aged women won't allow this, because that would deprive their surrogate babies of money. The females will need to be removed from power before anything can be done about the migrants.
So export the single middle-aged women to those cultures they oh-so adore.
Trust me that they'd beg to be allowed back in after a month or two.
From your lips to the Creator's ears!
I second this motion. Gaza is nice this time of year. It has a beach too. No bikinis though.
To be completely morbid, Israel does have the capacity to turn it into a Bikini Atoll, should they want to.
Gallows humour. The mark of a gentleman 😜
Hear hear!
Guards were in older times instructed thusly:
Challenge anyone approaching the post.
If they do not give the correct response, detain them and summon reiforcements.
If the person(s) approaching do not comply with orders to stop and stand still, fire a warning shot.
If they still disobey, shoot them.
It's that easy to remove invaders, and that's exactly the way Pakistan did it, and the afghans moved because they know that to refuse and make trouble would equal being shot on the spot.
It really is that easy, and anyone not understanding that shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold office.
Precisely.
Sink a few boats, let the passengers sink or swim, and the boats will stop coming.
but even pakistan waited too long. their society got destroyed in the interim too.
That didn't work in Palestine in 1948.
Open borders is being inflicted across the entire western world.
Good luck to the Poles supposedly voting for an EU government.
The language being used tells us everything about this: “irregular migration” (completely glosses over the legality issues) and “refugee migration” (assumes that every entrant has a legitimate asylum claim).
legally, a refugee and an asylum seeker are very different things. I know: who cares about the law these day?
That reminds me, "Flüchtling", the proper German word for refugee, is strongly discouraged by the left in favour of the clunky passive "Geflüchtete" (roughly "those who have fled"). One of the ugliest pieces of language engineering. The new word of choice has no gender and insinuates a lack of agency.
It is a weird self-loathing post WWII, where Germans aren’t allowed to have any patriotism for their country (hence these weird controls on flags that only can come out during World Cup). Now it is mixed in with this weird self-loathing anti-white narrative. We see that here in the US too with American Jews who love/loathe Israel. We clearly see where that got them right now.
Not completely powerless, it seems. Still resolute enough to ban the only party that wants to close the border, the AfD.
well, they’ve not banned them yet, but the sachsen-anhalt chapter is now certified „extreme right wing“
Eugyppius, I usually agree with many of your Views/Insights but here I have to disagree:
These scumbags are NOT powerless. They WANT mass immigration from shithole countries. Just like the lunatic left in the US, they hate a homogenous white population. Not sure why, but hey, they are crazy....
I would say, this was generally true through the later 2010s, but the current crisis has gotten out of hand, is very bad for them, and if they could pull a lever and turn it off they would. It's going to be the end of the current German government.
Sorry, Eugyppius, I don’t understand why they couldn’t pull a lever. Why can’t they protect the boarders like they did in 2020? Why can’t they make other decisions that would solve this crisis ?
It's very instructive to compare the two moments, 2020 and 2023. In the pandemic, it was by and large the nation states that took steps to limit travel and close borders, but legally the EU is responsible for migration and particularly asylum. In this and some other respects, the EU is entrusted with state responsibilities but for a lot of reasons can't fulfil them.
Other forces at issue too: There's a whole NGO scene that drives open-border policies out of sheer momentum (all those careers tied up in it, all that funding), much the same is true for the policy formulation apparatus in the major parties. During the pandemic a separate set of bureaucratic forces superseded these, but they're back in control now.
Because when you tell a german "May not pass this line without mask and vax-pass" the german complies.
When you tell an arab, a negro or similar such races the same thing, they step over the line to see what you'll do.
Meaning, if you don't immediately use brutal force in public against them, they then know you're just sound and fury.
Can you imagine the reaction if border guards would start shooting invaders crossing the border illegally?
I'm not sure protecting the boarders is not something that they havn't been doing. With open borders.
Hard disagree. They just need to cut welfare to zero. They could just give a shit about our clown supreme court, and just do it.
my basic theory about open borders, is that the political establishment among other things want a client class at the bottom. it's supposed to be stabilising for the current elite, in other words, however much it represents a crime against us natives. arguably mass immigration functioned more or less in this fashion through the merkel years, but the tidal wave is so unrelenting it's now having an opposite, destabilising effect, and it would be better for scholz and co., pragmatically speaking, if they could stop or at least moderate the influx.
Non homogenous nation=>less trust in your neighbour => low-trust society => means more power for the government as everyone will look for protection/help from higher authority
The West is committing suicide. The lamps are going out all over the West, they may never be lit again.
Different “lamps” may be lit .. one’s many will not recognise or wish to be associated with!
Some lamps are being coaxed in to blazing pyres.
Sounds like business as usual.
Are proffessional politicians useless because they are dishonest, or are they dishonest because they are useless?
Both. This is proven by the fact that an anagram of 'professional politicians' is:
O inept fiscal poison liars
I could hardly have put it better!
I´m not sure why they had the meeting in the first place. Perhaps their ends would´ve been better served by just distracting the public and "driving another sow through the village".
To give an impression that they were working hard to find a solution.
This is the third public posturefest I've heard of in the last two days. There was the (don't mention Israel) ARC conference in London, and another (don't mention Naomi Wolf) conference at the Liberalism-R-Us Brownstein Institute in Dallas.
Seems everyone is blowing warm air around and feeling really good about themselves.
The purpose was a clumsy way to scope out the needs of the states and the federation. It is almost un-edited, with 17 hours of waffle condensed into a loopy extended 10 point plan with three declarations, which don't provide a direction of travel.
The 17 hour meeting should have slept and then taken another 10 hours to put this bag of stuff into some sort of shape. Or called ChatGP.
Well said!
What is your solution? As I understand, it is a stricter monitoring of the EU's outer borders. But even if it was possible to effectively control the entire Mediterranean, what are you going to with boats coming from Libya? Libya is not a safe place to push migrants back to. Do you just want to do it anyway because if the people on the boat aren't Libyans, they made the choice of going there in the first place? I disagree, but I understand the logic.
What I fundamentally disagree with is the underlying notion that the large number of migrants and refugees is mainly the direct consequence of our supposedly welcoming policies. I mean, to some extent that is true as migrants will obviously prefer a country with a good social welfare system, all else being equal. But doesn't the US also attract large numbers of migrants without a comparable welfare state? We could start a race to the bottom in Europe, even though I think the living conditions for refugees are already quite poor right now. But even if they got nothing but water and bread, I'm sure they would still try to come in the millions. because social benefits only add a layer of security, but the vast majority comes to work. People will come as long as there is a good chance of finding a job in Germany that pays enough to live AND support your family back home with much more than an average wage there.
I think the main reason for migration are the extreme economic disparaties between richer and poorer countries, paired with the internet that a) makes these disparities ever more visible, e.g. by showing poor Africans the life their friends and relatives live in Europe on their instagram feeds and b) makes migration more comfortable as you can stay in touch with your family, support them through mobile payment etc.
My solution is an end to EU jurisdiction over these matters, probably an end to Schengen as it exists now, a return to national European borders, and a reassignment of responsibility for border security to the member states. These states absolutely can, and historically have, managed travel across their borders, in the same way they police traffic, collect taxes, and widely enforce even minor items of the criminal code across their millions and millions of residents. Border security is not beyond the capability of modern states.
As for Libya and the relative safety and security of the migrants: Europe will have to stop caring about these things if it wants to survive. I care about the safety and security of the third world, as much as third worlders care about my safety and security.
Although you're surely right that there would be migrant pressure on Europe without the welfare state, it's also true that within the EU the most favoured migrant destinations are those countries with the best benefits packages. This is just objectively true. As things stand now, less hospitable countries like Denmark or Hungary see vastly fewer asylum applications. There will indeed, almost inevitably, be a race to the bottom sooner or later which will just punish the more generous hold-out states – I even posted about this dynamic back in October.
"I care about the safety and security of the third world, as much as third worlders care about my safety and security."
This made me laugh out loud. I just love how you put things Eugyppius! Bluntly, logically and to the point.
it is even easier than controlling borders to simply not give anything to any foreigner.
You forgot Poland. They don't seem to be letting the migrants anywhere near them even despite being a part of Shengen right now. When I went from Nuremberg in May this year (at 1am arriving in Nuremberg by train is plain dangerous due to Syrian refugees) to Warsaw, Gdansk and Krakow the difference was stark. They did though have huge numbers of police out to protect the transgenders in Gdansk towards the end of my stay there.
We have to be careful that this race to the bottom doesn't incentivize criminal behaviour though. If people are allowed to stay, they must be allowed to work legally, and ideally they should also get free language classes to enable them to integrate into society as quickly as possible. If someone is definitely not allowed to stay legally, a quick deportation is certainly sensible. But that's easier said than done. A fair process costs time. People who don't cooperate, e.g. by losing their documents cost time, nerves, and resources. Lastly, countries refuse to take people back.
My ideal solution would be open borders even if it comes at a high cost for us. I didn't choose to be born in one of the richest countries of the world, and I don't see why someone who happened to be born in a poor country shouldn't have the same right to live in Europe. But I realize that this position is shared only by a small minority of people and the only major party where open borders are really popular is currently destroying itself, in part over exactly this topic. I also realize that it's in the rich countries' interest to limit and control migration, so while I think open borders would be the morally preferable way, I know it's utopian. That said, the EU showed that open borders can work at least when economic differences are not too extreme. I was sad about border closures being reintroduced i 2020. I grew up in Aachen, in walking distance from the Netherlands and Belgium, I often would visit friends on the other side of the border after school. At least in border regions, the quality of life would decrease a lot if you would need to wait in line and show your passports any time you would want to go from one place to the next.
If you grew up in walking distance from other countries which have completely different culture, different mentality, different values, you would be very happy to have a well protected border.
Out of interest, what countries are you thinking about? Culture is a continuum, and it is rare that two neighboring countries differ extremely. Of course, religion is a factor, but I wouldn't necessarily say e.g. Turkey and Greece are culturally more distant from each other than say Sweden and Greece.
That is exactly why an open border allowing you to roam beyond Aachen was not a problem. When you allow someone to come from Pakistan to Aachen, there is no continuum of culture; recent history shows there may well be a violent clash.
That's right, and unlike many on the right like to portray things, there is no open border from Pakistan to Germany.
Not sure about that. Greeks are more like Turks than Swedes. I grew up with loads of turkish and greek immigrants, they are not that different.
That's what I mean. I took these two countries as an example of two neighboring countries that are arguably culturally more dissimilar than Germany and the Netherlands because they have a different majority religion. But religion aside, there are nonetheless many similarities between Turkish and Greek culture. I can't think of any country where you would cross a land border and find yourself in a completely different world.
Who gives you the right to decree that a somali has a "right" to live in my nation?
I believe the US DOES offer much more money to illegal immigrants, they incentivize them in thousands of ways. They get 2,200 per month and when family units split up on purpose, they make that 4,400 per month. They get free housing, food and education and credits for transportation. The average American pension is 1,400 per month. I’m just shocked how little Germany is offering!
It may be unsafe to ship people back to Libya, but if you have all the able bodied men leave the country and leave the women and children behind, well, who is keeping the women and children safe back in Libya?
You are clueless about German welfare for migrants. I know for sure that an Afghan family of 8 people (2 Parents and 6 Kids) receive the following:
-Rent and utilities paid: 2000 Euro
-Cash Handout: 4000 Euro per month.
-Free health care and schooling
-Lots of goodies like free public transport
They live like a middle class Family!!! Disgusting and insane!!!!
Libya is only a transit country for the vast majority. I just checked statistics about Mediterranean sea and land arrivals on the UNHCR website: https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/mediterranean I don't know how comprehensive the data is, but according to UNHCR, 40% of arrivals are women and children.
My understanding is that the US now grants illegal immigrants a monthly subsidy a bit greater than our Social Security system does for our own retirees who paid into it all their working lives.
Sink the boats. End of problem.
"Without a comparable welfare state?" People are strolling across the Mexico-US border, boarding chartered buses, then living in government-commandeered hotels in New York City and elsewhere.
Our main problem is corruption of our systems.
The most obvious way to detect it is by trying to be part of the solution. If the people are part of the solution, it likely is not corrupted. If the solutions only come from top down centralized entities, it is likely corrupted.
The solution to the corruption is new decentralized and transparent systems, called Human Swarm Intelligence systems.
Humans solve problems better in groups. Like a think tank, you can be part of the solution:
https://joshketry.substack.com/p/human-swarm-intelligence-the-most
well, don't feel too bad. pakistan got utterly destroyed by unrestrained inflow of afghan refugees. now 40 years later they're finally throwing them out.
2016 gave us Brexit, in Britain the Tories are about to be destroyed in a General Election and it's because of the boats and 600k legal immigrants last year, the highest in the history of these islands. Whatever happens next is going to be bigger than Brexit.
This weekend the Muslims are going to protest on Remembrance Sunday which is the nearest thing we have left to a sacred event. I hope that there will be mass riots and the public will be forced to notice. An attempt was made to abuse the Cenotaph during the race protests in 2020, we'll see how that fares this time
What is it particularly about German liberalism that fuels support for mass migration? I understand that throughout the western world, incl. the U.S., there's a desire to reduce the power and presence of anyone white and Christian, but in the U.S., there's the additional theory that Democrat leaders support migration to drive up Democrat vote tallies (though they seem to have enough ways to cheat to win anyway). What's going on in Germany? Is it just hatred of anything white and Christian?
“Now that it has gotten out of hand, nobody from Brussels to Berlin can do anything about it, even as their failure to act threatens to destroy them.”
They cannot do anything or they don’t want to do anything?
Ideologically I'm sure especially the social democrats and the greens welcome this, but pragmatically it's a catastrophe for them. Similar story with international orgs like the EU: if they can't fix this, it will in the longer term be the end of them.
Kalergi plan + Cloward-Piven plan = Eventual Inferno
The Trojan horse is safely within the gates ... and we know how the story ends.