It seems that almost every one who is publicly identified as taking Paxlovid has one of these "rare" rebounds. Look for a redefinition of "rare" coming soon to a dictionary near you.
A characteristic of an event that is believed to be very infrequent. Example: Severe adverse reactions from the Covid19 experimental injectable biologic are rare.
"Voter fraud is so rare as to be irrelevant to election integrity, except when the Dems lose then it's totally Russia. We spent 4 years and $millions and came-up with nothing, so you'll have to trust us. We promise we'd never lie"
"‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean–neither more nor less.’"
Hey, if the Humpty Dumpty in the White House can redefine the meaning of "herd immunity," "vaccine", even "recession" , redefining the meaning of "rare" is a piece of cake :-)
Our public discourse has gone non-linear, and there are no limits on what can be said. We've turned on the improbability drive, so "a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias" is going to seem like the height of rationality that we're all pining for.
Not only every public case that I, too, have heard of has ended in a Paxlovid rebound, but every private case among close family and friends (people with whom I'm close enough to ask for follow-up) has ended similarly as well. Literally 100%. It's not a huge list, but I sat down with my wife to see if I missed anyone, particularly anyone who was one-and-done with Paxlovid, and we couldn't think of a single name.
100%.
Reinforces my personal rule never to take pharmaceuticals that have not been on the market long enough to go generic. That's long enough field experience to know if something is truly safe & effective.
The phenomenon of "Paxlovid rebound" refers to a situation now widely occurring but most prominently in the case of Fauci and Biden's COVID recovery where they are positive for covid, go on paxlovid, test negative after a course of treatment (time limited as there is risk of liver damage), and then test positive again with no new exposure, usually with recurrent symptoms.
It clearly indicates that in these people, the paxlovid is simply suppressing viral load but not actually eliminating the infection. It's designed to prevent viral reproduction by eliminating access to an enzyme the virus uses.
My theory is the vaccines are causing immunosuppressive effects, likely due to antigen fixation, and so all the paxlovid does is slow viral reproduction way down for a while but not actually help the body mount an effective immune response to eliminate the infection. Hence why covid infections are being dragged out over weeks in the vaccinated.
I think something that is happening with the 'vid is that we are examining a disease in excruciating, public detail. And learning things common to many diseases, but in particular respiratory viruses. As though we've forgotten that washing your hands helps prevent diseases, stay home when you are symptomatic, cover your mouth when sneezing. Old people die easier, unhealthy people die easier. And yeah, rebounds happen, disease lingers. If you get really sick it takes longer to recover and in some cases years to be "back to normal". This all used to be common knowledge passed down from parents to children. Honestly it feels like we're sometimes "discovering" grade school medical knowledge as though it is new.
Hard to reason off of subjective experiences and feelings of good or ill health...
But I know several people who had COVID, tested positive, recovered without Paxlovid, eventually started testing negative, and *didn't* have a rebound positive within a ~week of testing negative.
I'm sure you know people like that too.
Which suggests what the typical course of a bout of COVID is in the absence of Paxlovid: no rebound.
We don't really need to consider other illnesses for this point.
EDIT: And for further clarity, I'll point out that I've known people to recover from Covid (w/o Paxlovid) and keep testing positive for an extended period after symptom resolution before finally testing negative on PCR. But I've known no examples of such people testing negative for a meaningful length of time (e.g. 1 week, +/-), then rebounding with a fresh positive.
A mix. Can think of two examples of each in my close family -- being vaxxed didn't obviously lengthen the non-Paxlovid clearance time, for sure. But this was also across different waves and variants.
Maybe, maybe not. I just watched this fox opinion piece, I they're right. Biden's completely controllable. That's an asset they may keep around as long as possible. They won't allow the Fed to kill off the economy (recession) until after the midterms; after that, they'll blame the Republicans who will most likely take it all in Nov.
Once upon a time the potential autism/vaccination link was harder to imagine ..🧐 now it’s something we don’t have to look far to believe it’s likely true….not to mention SIDS, SADS and PAXR.
Pfizer rigged their studies by excluding vaxxed people, so they knew the vaxxed develop viral tolerance and continue replication much longer than the unvaxxed, whose immune systems are working!
If comments like these here keep coming in there will soon be a shortage of fact checker. I don't have much to do right now ,so I may go down to the fact checkers office to become checker .
I had to test frequently for work, it was always negative except for the week I had COVID (in which case I was testing at home because I live with immunocompromised people). If you're testing positive two weeks after the initial infection using an antigen test, something is wrong.
We had an outbreak at work, and then I woke up one night with a fever, chills, and pain in my wind pipe. I tested at home every couple of days with lateral flow tests, since they're a pretty good indicator of whether or not you're still contagious. My symptoms were basically gone in two days, but I continued to test positive for a week in total. I went back to work and had to continue testing due to being unvaccinated, and they always came back negative.
Anything is possible I suppose, but considering influenza is a different antigen, I doubt it. I wasn't tested for inluenza, but I know people who received both covid and influenza tests, and only the covid tests came back positive (I also know people who tested negative for entire viral panels, but were very ill nonetheless). The point was more that the majority will, or should, test positive for a period of time, become asymptomatic and then consistently test negative. When there's a large amount of people experiencing illness, testing positive, having symptoms resolve and testing negative, and then having a rebound of symptoms and testing positive again, there's a problem. That problem appears to be the combination of vaccination and Paxlovid.
Sorry for lighter posting recently guys, that's going to change very soon.
Don't worry, this news makes up for it.
Dont apologize. We need it.
I had a good chuckle over it.
You made my weekend.
Not a problem at all. This news made my day a much happier one.
ooh! yess!
It happened! Jill Biden rebounds! https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/first-lady-jill-biden-experiences-173144720.html
It fucking happened! I love the black comedy turn that Season 3 of Covidia took. Writing is so much sharper and funnier than season 2.
It seems that almost every one who is publicly identified as taking Paxlovid has one of these "rare" rebounds. Look for a redefinition of "rare" coming soon to a dictionary near you.
Rare - Has the potential to occur a majority of the time.
2. Rare: (adj) Occurs only when doing so supports the propaganda being promulgated by government and corporate authorities.
Majority - Systemic oppression responsible for disinformation.
A characteristic of an event that is believed to be very infrequent. Example: Severe adverse reactions from the Covid19 experimental injectable biologic are rare.
I'll have my injections rare as in once every billion years.
Rare: (n.) An event of normal or high frequency that is potentially disruptive to preexisting narratives.
"COVID vaccine side effects are rare and well within cost-benefit measures."
"Voter fraud is so rare as to be irrelevant to election integrity."
"Your mom rarely barebacks roughnecks outside the Apache casino."
The first two were amusing
That's what your mom said.
"Voter fraud is so rare as to be irrelevant to election integrity, except when the Dems lose then it's totally Russia. We spent 4 years and $millions and came-up with nothing, so you'll have to trust us. We promise we'd never lie"
"‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean–neither more nor less.’"
Hey, if the Humpty Dumpty in the White House can redefine the meaning of "herd immunity," "vaccine", even "recession" , redefining the meaning of "rare" is a piece of cake :-)
Rare: -adjective; not occurring every time, but damned close to it.
I've heard somewhere that they've redefined "definition"
That’s the nature of descriptive dictionaries like Webster’s, etc.! Bingo.
The science is always evolving duh
Yeah: just like sudden adult desth syndrome ( SADS)
Our public discourse has gone non-linear, and there are no limits on what can be said. We've turned on the improbability drive, so "a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias" is going to seem like the height of rationality that we're all pining for.
It is just outright, outrageous lies, without even bothering to cite "experts" or "persons with knowledge of the matter".
Citations are racist. That was established in 2021. Get with the program
You've murdering trans LGBT persons of color with your language. How dare you etc
And/or kittens and fluffy puppies.
zactly
"on condition of anonimity"
Not only every public case that I, too, have heard of has ended in a Paxlovid rebound, but every private case among close family and friends (people with whom I'm close enough to ask for follow-up) has ended similarly as well. Literally 100%. It's not a huge list, but I sat down with my wife to see if I missed anyone, particularly anyone who was one-and-done with Paxlovid, and we couldn't think of a single name.
100%.
Reinforces my personal rule never to take pharmaceuticals that have not been on the market long enough to go generic. That's long enough field experience to know if something is truly safe & effective.
I don't understand what is meant by "rebound." Do the people develop symptoms all over again? If so, how severe?
The phenomenon of "Paxlovid rebound" refers to a situation now widely occurring but most prominently in the case of Fauci and Biden's COVID recovery where they are positive for covid, go on paxlovid, test negative after a course of treatment (time limited as there is risk of liver damage), and then test positive again with no new exposure, usually with recurrent symptoms.
It clearly indicates that in these people, the paxlovid is simply suppressing viral load but not actually eliminating the infection. It's designed to prevent viral reproduction by eliminating access to an enzyme the virus uses.
My theory is the vaccines are causing immunosuppressive effects, likely due to antigen fixation, and so all the paxlovid does is slow viral reproduction way down for a while but not actually help the body mount an effective immune response to eliminate the infection. Hence why covid infections are being dragged out over weeks in the vaccinated.
Make sense?
Wow!. Anecdotal and very small sample, as you noted, but still Wow.
My big question to this very interesting anecdotal data: were all these people vaccinated?
Yes. All told me they were vaxxed. EDIT: Unsure of boosted status.
Thank you for sharing. This confirms my theory.
Almost as rare as “breakthrough infections”
I've often remarked that when I've had a cold, I often get a bit of a mild rebound later. Is COVID so very different?
I think something that is happening with the 'vid is that we are examining a disease in excruciating, public detail. And learning things common to many diseases, but in particular respiratory viruses. As though we've forgotten that washing your hands helps prevent diseases, stay home when you are symptomatic, cover your mouth when sneezing. Old people die easier, unhealthy people die easier. And yeah, rebounds happen, disease lingers. If you get really sick it takes longer to recover and in some cases years to be "back to normal". This all used to be common knowledge passed down from parents to children. Honestly it feels like we're sometimes "discovering" grade school medical knowledge as though it is new.
Hard to reason off of subjective experiences and feelings of good or ill health...
But I know several people who had COVID, tested positive, recovered without Paxlovid, eventually started testing negative, and *didn't* have a rebound positive within a ~week of testing negative.
I'm sure you know people like that too.
Which suggests what the typical course of a bout of COVID is in the absence of Paxlovid: no rebound.
We don't really need to consider other illnesses for this point.
EDIT: And for further clarity, I'll point out that I've known people to recover from Covid (w/o Paxlovid) and keep testing positive for an extended period after symptom resolution before finally testing negative on PCR. But I've known no examples of such people testing negative for a meaningful length of time (e.g. 1 week, +/-), then rebounding with a fresh positive.
How many of the people you are referring to were vaccinated?
A mix. Can think of two examples of each in my close family -- being vaxxed didn't obviously lengthen the non-Paxlovid clearance time, for sure. But this was also across different waves and variants.
Yes, it is, especially accounting for taking a therapeutic the whole time.
"That means it's working!"
-Pfizer
😂😂😂😂
“if you test as autistically as Biden and Fauci do” 😂
I still think they should give Biden Remdesivir
Just to be safe
They want Biden gone before the midterms, they knew about the rebound, so Remdesivir is definitely still an option...
Maybe, maybe not. I just watched this fox opinion piece, I they're right. Biden's completely controllable. That's an asset they may keep around as long as possible. They won't allow the Fed to kill off the economy (recession) until after the midterms; after that, they'll blame the Republicans who will most likely take it all in Nov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fikS1Q74wDs
You don’t want him to die of joy like this 22 year old
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/university-student-dies-joy-after-27613873.amp
OMG seriously, every time I think it can't get worse
All we have to do is wait 5 years or so and we will know how worse it can get ,if we are still alive than .
It might be easier to list the things that WON'T give a 22 year old cardiac arrest.
1. Liability-free pharmaceutical products without long term safety studies that are irreversibly injected into the body.
omg there should be health warnings on all positive mail, you know just in case
Plus the 5yo girl who died "of influenza A" but really of terrible myocarditis. How do we suppose that happens in a 5yo?🧐
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/girl-5-dies-days-after-27603277
Just read your link TexBat and am speechless. I guess the vaccinated should practise how to avoid happiness. Its a real killer.
Yeah, but did they turn him into fertilizer? This is the ultimate carbon neutral plan...
https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1552808329793179654
I still haven’t seen Soylent green but I think I need to
First half of Logan's Run is good too (the end is just too slow). Everyone has a predetermined end date and the subscription model is in full force )
I loved that film. Can you actually get it streamed?
Soylent greens go good with meat from dead human bodies ,it is on the menue next to the insect section in restaurants run by the Schwabs .
Good grief! I have seen everything now.
Relax ,soon we will be able to show much more ,A planet without useless eaters and a small number of creatures who have devoured us living it up .
That headline is positively depraved.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/girl-5-dies-days-after-27603277
That's tragic
And the crazies will believe it!!! How terribly sad.
No, please no. Even devout atheists should pray fervently for Biden's recovery.
To explain why, I must put together two words--harmless on their own--but that when combined form a highly toxic compound:
President Harris.
QED
I apologize for my foul language.
Yeah, they have to get Kamala to resign first, so they can appoint VP Clinton.
And then Xiden will ark@ncide himself by sh00ting himself in the back of the head several times.
And even worse, Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in line. OMG
Harris will be a great President ,she knows all about changing diapers by now ,a great asset when the troops come home from fighting the Russians .
RUN-death-is-near—- but he’d just trip…
And put him on a ventilator. Plus five or six extra boosters. Can’t be too careful.
They did convert the monoclonal antibody clinics into outpatient Remdesivir clinics...
Remdesivir is not enough ,his brain must be hooked up to ventilators at the same time set on full power .
Once upon a time the potential autism/vaccination link was harder to imagine ..🧐 now it’s something we don’t have to look far to believe it’s likely true….not to mention SIDS, SADS and PAXR.
Undoubtedly this will be the best news of the weekend. Also demonstrates the power of prayer.
I’m old enough to remember when the guy who tested positive again told us “if you get vaccinated you won’t get Covid.”
"How common is Paxlovid rebound anyway?"
Less than 1% of patients, "fact checkers" report.
very bad luck for fauci and biden then lol
Yeah, those guys just can't catch a break. Dedicated public servants like Tony and Joe deserve better.
Hiding out.. Recession!! Doesn't want to answer what that word means!!
Pfizer rigged their studies by excluding vaxxed people, so they knew the vaxxed develop viral tolerance and continue replication much longer than the unvaxxed, whose immune systems are working!
Yep, that screams fraud.
Hilarious!
If comments like these here keep coming in there will soon be a shortage of fact checker. I don't have much to do right now ,so I may go down to the fact checkers office to become checker .
who is surprised that the people that continue to get tested eventually exhibit a positive
I had to test frequently for work, it was always negative except for the week I had COVID (in which case I was testing at home because I live with immunocompromised people). If you're testing positive two weeks after the initial infection using an antigen test, something is wrong.
did you find out you had COVID from the test?
We had an outbreak at work, and then I woke up one night with a fever, chills, and pain in my wind pipe. I tested at home every couple of days with lateral flow tests, since they're a pretty good indicator of whether or not you're still contagious. My symptoms were basically gone in two days, but I continued to test positive for a week in total. I went back to work and had to continue testing due to being unvaccinated, and they always came back negative.
Same experience with 2 day fever and chills. I officially tested negative and flew 8 days later, but my partner stayed positive for like 10 days.
(like) was your partner jabbed?
Well dear Matt that could not possibly be the FLU ? ?? No no the flu is much too old science ,we have since advanced to the Faussi variants
Anything is possible I suppose, but considering influenza is a different antigen, I doubt it. I wasn't tested for inluenza, but I know people who received both covid and influenza tests, and only the covid tests came back positive (I also know people who tested negative for entire viral panels, but were very ill nonetheless). The point was more that the majority will, or should, test positive for a period of time, become asymptomatic and then consistently test negative. When there's a large amount of people experiencing illness, testing positive, having symptoms resolve and testing negative, and then having a rebound of symptoms and testing positive again, there's a problem. That problem appears to be the combination of vaccination and Paxlovid.
LOL, I read that online and I was waiting for this post! Don't mess with Eugyppius and his connection with the Gods...
Lord, save us from these idiots.
My painful knees. It’s all been worth it.
I have been waiting for this. He is quadruple vaccinated and Paxlovid only seems to work on the unvaccinated.
It is very obvious that the best you can do is disobey the government advisors. Our prayer has been heard.
That is about the only thing left to do!
Does paxlovid come in a boomerang-shaped box ?
😂😂😂
Pfizer continues selling drugs that don't work.
Are you kidding?! These drugs are amazing for Pfizer!
$$$$$ amazing!
Pharmacist here, I think Biden is Pfizer’s poster boy for Paxlovid. I have seen a distinct uptick in the prescribing of Paxlovid this week.