German democracy, which has endured since 1949 but is somehow always shaken to its foundations whenever anybody sings the wrong song or holds a televised debate with the wrong person, is once again on life support.
What rule did they claim you broke? All the social media platforms have rules. But the Twitter Files are clear evidence that under the prior ownership there was a massive amount of politically-oriented banning, de-platforming, shadow banning, etc. that no longer exists with X. It still exists with Facebook, and Google, etc.
I am guessing leftover censorship algorithms, because there is a lot of "covid jabs are not vaccines, did not work, caused other health symptoms", etc., that I see posted today and were blocked under the pre-Musk Twitter regime.
Doch; it still does. Alleged new ownership makes little difference. They still ignore appeal. The broken rule was suggesting human use of ivermectin for onchocerciasis.
I have a VERY hard time writing ANY comment inoffensive enough to pass the Yahoo! AI censor-bots!....Words as innocent as "Hollyweird" are verboten!....scary & funny, both!....
Oh I remember following you! Alex Berenson is back on X and still posting about the jabs. So weird we had a weird suspicion about that Covid stuff and it turned out to be correct!
I have no such thing. The pursuit of perfection is the enemy of the good. I am good with criticism of any institution. I believe in the Shirky Principle. However, I am also rational in my assessment as there are trade-offs for everything and everyone is going to have an opinion of which tradeoffs they think are more valuable than others. X is significantly better than was Twitter with respect to the censorship track record. That does not mean that I defend X as being perfect.
Unless you suggest ivermectin may have human use, such as preventing blindness from onchocerciasis (river blindness). That "advocates suicide", and gets your account permanently suspended!
And in even more painful news for all of 'em--it seems that Milei's actions and reforms are--take a deep breath now--*actually benefiting the people of Argentina.*
This is a very instructive moment. I do hope against all past evidence that the American people, at least, will continue to get--even briefly--smarter.
Well, about half of the American people. Maybe another 25% will come around once they don't get thrown into camps, but the last 25% I don't hold out a lot of hope for.
What hasn't been stressed enough is how many people were more than happy to have a vegetable installed as President because that was just the El Cid strategy. They voted affirmatively for a party or negatively against the other party and the evil functionaries have been accomplishing what they want.
I do wonder about your definition and/or criteria for "friends." I've found that many people use that word when what they really mean is "longtime acquaintances."
Like "love," "friend" has a very particular meaning that's often been terribly diluted in action.
We have paid very bitterly in heart's blood and anguish to reach this point of being able to say it's great to be alive right now. There will always be terrible shadows on my mirth.
Germany is being undermined by the complacency fostered by the mainstream media, alongside the policies of left-leaning political parties. Their open-border approach and overreliance on a renewable energy agenda are accelerating the nation's decline.
One of the underreported situations with respect to this criticism of outside political influence is the explosion of NGOs that in the US are 90% in support of Democrat and left politics. Many of these NGOs are also often outsourced government services. As Elon and Vivek work on the DOGE program I get the talking point from my big government loving Democrat friends that the US federal workforce is about the same (~2.5 million) is it was in 1960. But the leave out the ~2.5 million civilian federal contractors and this massive sea of non-profit corporations that work for the government, or otherwise have a mission - hidden or otherwise - to promote the political success of the Democrat party.
It seems to me that this type of structure exists in Germany and other western democracies. And in terms of the corruption of democracy, I think there is nothing more guilty than our acceptance of these non-taxed, under-regulated, non-profit organizations that are in fact a massive collectivist mechanism that corrupts democracy. Where does the media get its cheaply derived narratives to spew at the voting population? You can bet it derives from these non-profits.
I think NGOs are a huge problem, which I really hope DOGE can address. The NGO network is like a cancer, fueled by limitless government funds, and therefore attractive to entrepreneurial opportunists.
Those federal workers are paid, but it's questionable whether they actually work, as more than 90% of them "work from home." It is currently unknowable whether they are working on their government issued computer, or, making use of a mouse "jiggler" and really just kicking back.
It's almost like the entire body politic of Germany is a caricature of our very own lying Karinne Jean-Pierre. On her departure from JB's employ she can move to the FRG and spew all these platitudes in one easily found broadcast.
The only caveat is the 🤡's must write all of the talking points in a huge ledger with page markers.
lol. I'd feel sorry for the Germans, and start feeling all Yankee superior, but the fact is, many of the folks in my neck of the woods are just as nutty. They tell me Kamala stood for freedom. I tell them, you're free to squirt some salsa on that, I wouldn't bite into it, though.
I am fondly imagining their outrage, since they cannot reach him, touch him, hurt him in any way.
The only way they could affect him is by having better arguments, better reason, superior logic and use these to show why (they think) he is wrong. But that means trying to find out what's really happening, why it is happening, and what might actually change it for real, regardless of virtue signalling or emotionalism.
And that in turn means not living by lies, not ruling by lies and always trying to be truthful.
While reading Eugyppius's post, I couldn't help thinking that I sure hope Elon has really good security. He is not a German citizen and maybe that might mean different rules apply...or some rules can be ignored.
I suppose they could try - but all EU-members, even Big Brother Germany, are tied up in agreements and treaties regulating what they may or may not do unilaterally when it comes to international stuff.
Sorry but I can't be more specific without doing a deep dive into exactly which treaties et c may come into play; I'm years out of date on that stuff now.
But normally, it goes like this: if a state wants to do something the people don't like, they tell the people "It's because of EU-regs". And if a state don't want to do something the people want, they tell the people "It's because of EU-regs".
Only this time, it seems it may well bite the German EotP-in-office on the ass.
Yes, Brazil did do that but X resolved that I believe. With Trump though, he can wield a pretty big stick against the fascists in Brazil to make them back off attacking American companies like X. Germany is about to find out, too. I doubt Trump is in a mood to be generous after the hate and demagoguery that's been displayed by German pols and media. Trump should move the German base to Poland or Hungary.
I understand why evil power-seeking tyrants would say such things but I don't understand why regular people don't instinctively think it's ridiculous. If someone sees Elon Musk's tweets on their twitter feed, it's because they _chose_ to follow him. If his tweets are election interference (which they're obviously not, but for sake of argument), then how is it his fault and not the fault of the Germans reading his tweets?
It's like, no, algorithms don't decide what gets heard. YOU DO, BY WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO LISTEN TO
There's also the fact that Musk tweeted in English, twitter is fairly effectively siloed off into different language spheres, and few in Germany would've even noticed Musk's tweet were it not for the freakout.
Oh there I go again with my American bigotry, ignorantly assuming that everyone speaks English.
Although... don't they? My only data point on this is that every friend of mine who has ever travelled to Berlin says that everyone in Berlin speaks English.
I used to know one girl who was a German major in college. She did a year as an exchange student in Berlin and she was telling me, she was actually quite upset. She was hoping for a German immersion experience so she could get better at the language, but everyone there just spoke English and she had no serious opportunity to practice it
Having taught English, in my experience the difference (apart from age, older people were not exposed to English to the degree people born post-1990 have been) is that most Europeans - Western ones esp. - can talk about basic stuff in English, few can hold a conversation on a more specific topic unless it's in their field of expertise.
Leading to confusion and an inflated sense of "knowing English" because you don't need the subtitles when watching Rikki Lake (or whatever's hip right now, I'm a bit dated on such stuff), but being unable to name three types of tree, or translating idiomatic expressions, and so on.
The real tell that someone grew up pre-internet (well, pre-public internet anyway) and pre-cell phones: not thinking about the tricorder in your pocket first.
Sure is useful though, not instead of but as complement.
I was compelled to use this recently on a trip to Germany: 'Sie können Ihr Englisch üben, wenn Sie mir erlauben, mein Deutsch zu üben.' (You can practice your English if you'll allow me to practice my German.)
"the indecent and passing thrill of a cheap moral orgasm" !! LOL
This explains almost everything about the public spasms of outrage performed daily by our globalist elite castes: Moralism is a paraphilia, the more you get the more you want, and the more time you spend chasing the dragon to get back to that first intense high you felt when you climbed upon your first moral bandwagon and let the world know about your inherent superiority.
Maybe Moralism can be in the next DSM? Maybe there should be MA, Moralists Anonymous, to get these people some help and show them how unmanageable their lives have become?
This is the terrible thing that happens when you forgo the thrills of sex, drugs, art and free thought and expression and exchange them for politics: you fall victim to the deadly addiction called Moralism. The ugliest fate of all!
Wow. Touched a nerve did that rascally billionaire?
Probably not even a lot of people would ever even have known about Musk’s post on X, but now that rhese vaunted “defenders of democracy” have vomited it out in every newspaper and periodical and newscast for the entire German population to see and know about it, well, they themselves let that cat out of the bag and Bigtime!
It’s funny, but these people are very unwell and that is scary.
Funny, I just read a piece in The NY Times today that says AfD is truly Hitlerian and that they even have revived the Hitler Youth. The other parties, according to the NYT, are most noble in their efforts to isolate the AfD.
Just to give you a flavor of the article here’s a short quote: “News that members of the AfD attended a secret meeting with the Austrian extreme-right provocateur Martin Sellner, who has admitted to once being a member of a neo-Nazi group and has called for deporting migrants en masse, led to large protests early this year. Then, starting in May, a leading light of the party was twice given a hefty fine for using Nazi-era slogans during campaign stops.”
The Ghost of Hitler is seen everywhere by the NYT, except where it really rears its ugly head, in the authoritarianism of the modern left.
Excellent point. They buried early stories about the Holocaust on page D21, when they ran them at all. They aided and abetted the Nazi regime in many ways. They have yet to own up to this complicity in any meaningful way.
“Grökraz” fn. 1 A veiled Hitler comparison that is too tiresome to explain.
Even so, those of a pedantic disposition will want to know. Here goes:
Gröfaz/GröFaZ
Herkunft: abgeleitet aus „Größter Feldherr aller Zeiten“, später auch interpretiert als „Größter Führer aller Zeiten“
and said to have been used from 1943 as a veiled term of mockery against the man with the postage-stamp moustache.
So, "Grökraz" must refer to the "Größter Krösus aller Zeiten" - the Greatest Croesus of All Time, i.e. Elon Musk.
So this is infantile and leaden humor situated at the ultra-tiresome end of the spectrum. I've just wasted ten minutes of my life, and should have take Eugyppius's advice.
By far the best way to assess the effectiveness of your actions is to look at the reaction of your enemy. Elon has them terrified.
Exactly. The trite but very accurate WW2-vintage cliche is, 'When you take that kind of flak, you know you're right over the target.'
Even if things don't work out as we hope, it was worth watching everyone running around like a decapitated chicken.
More like disgusted. Very little difference from Jack Dorsey.
"Musk constantly uses X for political influence."
And thanks to Musk, anyone and everyone can use X for political influence.
Plenty are still banned.
examples please
Me.
What rule did they claim you broke? All the social media platforms have rules. But the Twitter Files are clear evidence that under the prior ownership there was a massive amount of politically-oriented banning, de-platforming, shadow banning, etc. that no longer exists with X. It still exists with Facebook, and Google, etc.
They never said, but at the time I was posting screenshot of official covid pages that 'proved' the lockdowns and jabs weren't working.
I am guessing leftover censorship algorithms, because there is a lot of "covid jabs are not vaccines, did not work, caused other health symptoms", etc., that I see posted today and were blocked under the pre-Musk Twitter regime.
Doch; it still does. Alleged new ownership makes little difference. They still ignore appeal. The broken rule was suggesting human use of ivermectin for onchocerciasis.
Still waiting for the reason sent you for banning you. Oh that's right, progs don't need verification.
I have a VERY hard time writing ANY comment inoffensive enough to pass the Yahoo! AI censor-bots!....Words as innocent as "Hollyweird" are verboten!....scary & funny, both!....
same
I am still banned
it is not censor free
Oh I remember following you! Alex Berenson is back on X and still posting about the jabs. So weird we had a weird suspicion about that Covid stuff and it turned out to be correct!
"weird" 😉
And me.
Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon, and all the others who are outspoken against the CCP.
Wrong. Only those that want to harm children are banned. Are you one of those?
What a stupid thing to say! There are plenty of dissidents still banned on X/Twitter.
It is fucking easy to research and understand unless you are a complete idiot which it appears you might be. https://help.x.com/en/rules-and-policies/x-rules
You are ill-informed.
Right. You are ill. Seek therapy.
I’m banned for posting the comment “Fauci needs to learn how to tie his own knoose”
The "knoose" word did you in. It is promoting suicide.
“Knoose” apparently failed to clear X’s standards for Free speech…
I’m permanently banned for picturing kier starmer approach the gallows.
An unshakable faith in any institution is misplaced.
I have no such thing. The pursuit of perfection is the enemy of the good. I am good with criticism of any institution. I believe in the Shirky Principle. However, I am also rational in my assessment as there are trade-offs for everything and everyone is going to have an opinion of which tradeoffs they think are more valuable than others. X is significantly better than was Twitter with respect to the censorship track record. That does not mean that I defend X as being perfect.
Why do you consider saving children from suffering river blindness "harming them"?
Unless you suggest ivermectin may have human use, such as preventing blindness from onchocerciasis (river blindness). That "advocates suicide", and gets your account permanently suspended!
What?!
Four years ago. "New management" blows off appeal.
Here's what Grok had to say. "It depends."
https://x.com/i/grok/share/LhzmlrVF0icV6WtKd52DStlDJ
And in even more painful news for all of 'em--it seems that Milei's actions and reforms are--take a deep breath now--*actually benefiting the people of Argentina.*
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-12-19/argentina-s-7-big-mac-doesn-t-threaten-milei-s-success
Milei has produced the first Argentine Government surplus since 1900....Of course the press hates him...
Go Populism! Go Musk! Results provide the best evidence.
This is a very instructive moment. I do hope against all past evidence that the American people, at least, will continue to get--even briefly--smarter.
Well, about half of the American people. Maybe another 25% will come around once they don't get thrown into camps, but the last 25% I don't hold out a lot of hope for.
What hasn't been stressed enough is how many people were more than happy to have a vegetable installed as President because that was just the El Cid strategy. They voted affirmatively for a party or negatively against the other party and the evil functionaries have been accomplishing what they want.
Well, going by my personal circle of friends, they still deny that Biden has a problem.
Sigh.
I do wonder about your definition and/or criteria for "friends." I've found that many people use that word when what they really mean is "longtime acquaintances."
Like "love," "friend" has a very particular meaning that's often been terribly diluted in action.
we avoid the whole political scene like the swamp it is
Yes, economic growth starting to occur.
Disaster.
But . . . the climate! All that economic growth will turn the planet into a frying pan!
Danno ,don't worry Trudeau is in Cuba right now fighting climate change with his bare hands ,together with his in laws .
We have paid very bitterly in heart's blood and anguish to reach this point of being able to say it's great to be alive right now. There will always be terrible shadows on my mirth.
With Musk weighing in, it does seem like Germany is being destroyed by Africans... ;)
Musk, the most successful African-American
🤣
Germany is being undermined by the complacency fostered by the mainstream media, alongside the policies of left-leaning political parties. Their open-border approach and overreliance on a renewable energy agenda are accelerating the nation's decline.
Those are AfD words, naughty boy! Mommy Merkel says wash your mouth out with soap.
lol lol
One of the underreported situations with respect to this criticism of outside political influence is the explosion of NGOs that in the US are 90% in support of Democrat and left politics. Many of these NGOs are also often outsourced government services. As Elon and Vivek work on the DOGE program I get the talking point from my big government loving Democrat friends that the US federal workforce is about the same (~2.5 million) is it was in 1960. But the leave out the ~2.5 million civilian federal contractors and this massive sea of non-profit corporations that work for the government, or otherwise have a mission - hidden or otherwise - to promote the political success of the Democrat party.
It seems to me that this type of structure exists in Germany and other western democracies. And in terms of the corruption of democracy, I think there is nothing more guilty than our acceptance of these non-taxed, under-regulated, non-profit organizations that are in fact a massive collectivist mechanism that corrupts democracy. Where does the media get its cheaply derived narratives to spew at the voting population? You can bet it derives from these non-profits.
I think NGOs are a huge problem, which I really hope DOGE can address. The NGO network is like a cancer, fueled by limitless government funds, and therefore attractive to entrepreneurial opportunists.
And from what I read many are funded by Soros and other left wing foundations.
Those federal workers are paid, but it's questionable whether they actually work, as more than 90% of them "work from home." It is currently unknowable whether they are working on their government issued computer, or, making use of a mouse "jiggler" and really just kicking back.
I thought we had a breathless, hyperventilating left wing media in the US, but it looks to be even worse over there.
It's almost like the entire body politic of Germany is a caricature of our very own lying Karinne Jean-Pierre. On her departure from JB's employ she can move to the FRG and spew all these platitudes in one easily found broadcast.
The only caveat is the 🤡's must write all of the talking points in a huge ledger with page markers.
lol. I'd feel sorry for the Germans, and start feeling all Yankee superior, but the fact is, many of the folks in my neck of the woods are just as nutty. They tell me Kamala stood for freedom. I tell them, you're free to squirt some salsa on that, I wouldn't bite into it, though.
You'd think if the "Global Elite" were going to dole out talking points about the issues, they'd try to make them much less retarded.
ELON MUSK IS GOING TO TAKE OVER AMERICA AND THEN GERMANY BY BRAINWASHING VOTERS INTO KICKING US OUT OF OFFICE!
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
It's clear by now ,Elon is going to buy Germany ,As a business man it's understandable he will try to lower the price a bit before that .
by that time it will be on sale, probably 75 % or more off.
He he he.
I am fondly imagining their outrage, since they cannot reach him, touch him, hurt him in any way.
The only way they could affect him is by having better arguments, better reason, superior logic and use these to show why (they think) he is wrong. But that means trying to find out what's really happening, why it is happening, and what might actually change it for real, regardless of virtue signalling or emotionalism.
And that in turn means not living by lies, not ruling by lies and always trying to be truthful.
Which they won't, can't and aren't.
A word is a word only when heard
Spoken by anyone, jock or nerd
Don't like what you hear?
Won't read what you fear?
Then enjoy the shear and enjoy the herd
While reading Eugyppius's post, I couldn't help thinking that I sure hope Elon has really good security. He is not a German citizen and maybe that might mean different rules apply...or some rules can be ignored.
Well, couldn't they do like Brazil and outlaw Xwitter? I seem to remember Brazil kind of got their way on that one.
I suppose they could try - but all EU-members, even Big Brother Germany, are tied up in agreements and treaties regulating what they may or may not do unilaterally when it comes to international stuff.
Sorry but I can't be more specific without doing a deep dive into exactly which treaties et c may come into play; I'm years out of date on that stuff now.
But normally, it goes like this: if a state wants to do something the people don't like, they tell the people "It's because of EU-regs". And if a state don't want to do something the people want, they tell the people "It's because of EU-regs".
Only this time, it seems it may well bite the German EotP-in-office on the ass.
Yes, Brazil did do that but X resolved that I believe. With Trump though, he can wield a pretty big stick against the fascists in Brazil to make them back off attacking American companies like X. Germany is about to find out, too. I doubt Trump is in a mood to be generous after the hate and demagoguery that's been displayed by German pols and media. Trump should move the German base to Poland or Hungary.
As I recall, Musk resolved it by giving into Brazil's censorship demands.
As you say, perhaps with President Trump that will be less likely, but there's always so much more going on under the surface, who can tell.
I know I've said this a million times before, and I know my utopian vision of social media died almost ten years ago, but
> “This is interference in the German election campaign by a tech billionaire who uses algorithms to decide what gets heard.”
Maybe I can do it in meme form this time https://files.catbox.moe/hct5ck.png
I understand why evil power-seeking tyrants would say such things but I don't understand why regular people don't instinctively think it's ridiculous. If someone sees Elon Musk's tweets on their twitter feed, it's because they _chose_ to follow him. If his tweets are election interference (which they're obviously not, but for sake of argument), then how is it his fault and not the fault of the Germans reading his tweets?
It's like, no, algorithms don't decide what gets heard. YOU DO, BY WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO LISTEN TO
There's also the fact that Musk tweeted in English, twitter is fairly effectively siloed off into different language spheres, and few in Germany would've even noticed Musk's tweet were it not for the freakout.
The Streisand Effect! Exactly!
These people are so clueless.
Oh there I go again with my American bigotry, ignorantly assuming that everyone speaks English.
Although... don't they? My only data point on this is that every friend of mine who has ever travelled to Berlin says that everyone in Berlin speaks English.
I used to know one girl who was a German major in college. She did a year as an exchange student in Berlin and she was telling me, she was actually quite upset. She was hoping for a German immersion experience so she could get better at the language, but everyone there just spoke English and she had no serious opportunity to practice it
(inb4 "Berlin is not all of Germany")
Having taught English, in my experience the difference (apart from age, older people were not exposed to English to the degree people born post-1990 have been) is that most Europeans - Western ones esp. - can talk about basic stuff in English, few can hold a conversation on a more specific topic unless it's in their field of expertise.
Leading to confusion and an inflated sense of "knowing English" because you don't need the subtitles when watching Rikki Lake (or whatever's hip right now, I'm a bit dated on such stuff), but being unable to name three types of tree, or translating idiomatic expressions, and so on.
You don't need to name any trees anymore, we have PlantNet now https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.plantnet&hl=en_US
Joking aside, I use this app surprisingly more often than you'd expect
The real tell that someone grew up pre-internet (well, pre-public internet anyway) and pre-cell phones: not thinking about the tricorder in your pocket first.
Sure is useful though, not instead of but as complement.
I was compelled to use this recently on a trip to Germany: 'Sie können Ihr Englisch üben, wenn Sie mir erlauben, mein Deutsch zu üben.' (You can practice your English if you'll allow me to practice my German.)
"the indecent and passing thrill of a cheap moral orgasm" !! LOL
This explains almost everything about the public spasms of outrage performed daily by our globalist elite castes: Moralism is a paraphilia, the more you get the more you want, and the more time you spend chasing the dragon to get back to that first intense high you felt when you climbed upon your first moral bandwagon and let the world know about your inherent superiority.
Maybe Moralism can be in the next DSM? Maybe there should be MA, Moralists Anonymous, to get these people some help and show them how unmanageable their lives have become?
This is the terrible thing that happens when you forgo the thrills of sex, drugs, art and free thought and expression and exchange them for politics: you fall victim to the deadly addiction called Moralism. The ugliest fate of all!
Church Lady Syndrome, as exemplified by Dana Carvey.
I think I’m right
The AFD is doing far better than official polls let on and the panic is setting in.
Hopefully Musk keeps trolling them, like Trump did.
He could post electricity prices in Texas vs germany for example?
Wow. Touched a nerve did that rascally billionaire?
Probably not even a lot of people would ever even have known about Musk’s post on X, but now that rhese vaunted “defenders of democracy” have vomited it out in every newspaper and periodical and newscast for the entire German population to see and know about it, well, they themselves let that cat out of the bag and Bigtime!
It’s funny, but these people are very unwell and that is scary.
Go AfD!! Heh 😏
Like a Great Stream of Green Diarrhoea .
Lol.
Love it, priceless.
Funny, I just read a piece in The NY Times today that says AfD is truly Hitlerian and that they even have revived the Hitler Youth. The other parties, according to the NYT, are most noble in their efforts to isolate the AfD.
Just to give you a flavor of the article here’s a short quote: “News that members of the AfD attended a secret meeting with the Austrian extreme-right provocateur Martin Sellner, who has admitted to once being a member of a neo-Nazi group and has called for deporting migrants en masse, led to large protests early this year. Then, starting in May, a leading light of the party was twice given a hefty fine for using Nazi-era slogans during campaign stops.”
The Ghost of Hitler is seen everywhere by the NYT, except where it really rears its ugly head, in the authoritarianism of the modern left.
It occurrs to me a billboard in front of the NYT offices continually reminding them of their support for Hitler would be hilarious.
Excellent point. They buried early stories about the Holocaust on page D21, when they ran them at all. They aided and abetted the Nazi regime in many ways. They have yet to own up to this complicity in any meaningful way.
I'm going to enjoy their reactions once Trump starts deporting migrants en masse.
“Grökraz” fn. 1 A veiled Hitler comparison that is too tiresome to explain.
Even so, those of a pedantic disposition will want to know. Here goes:
Gröfaz/GröFaZ
Herkunft: abgeleitet aus „Größter Feldherr aller Zeiten“, später auch interpretiert als „Größter Führer aller Zeiten“
and said to have been used from 1943 as a veiled term of mockery against the man with the postage-stamp moustache.
So, "Grökraz" must refer to the "Größter Krösus aller Zeiten" - the Greatest Croesus of All Time, i.e. Elon Musk.
So this is infantile and leaden humor situated at the ultra-tiresome end of the spectrum. I've just wasted ten minutes of my life, and should have take Eugyppius's advice.