Unfortunately, I spent most of yesterday on a train, and most of today in meetings, so I can only offer you some brief thoughts as I prepare my long (and long-promised) review of Viral.
Often a person’s interpretation of another’s motivations reveals more about their own motivations. Dorsten is clearly a careerist media whore, so he interprets the actions of others through the same lens.
If person A points out that person B’s unreasonable and angry accusations indicate that person B is probably projecting, it doesn’t also mean that person A is projecting. Not unless their statement is couched in an irrational and vicious fashion.
Drosten’s fraudulent and worthless PCR test which is incapable of detecting infection was the cornerstone of the plandemic. The test generated untold billions in revenue while simultaneously destroying both lives and economies over phantom “cases”. What a wonderful legacy this charlatan has!
What a brilliant observation - a 95% false positivity rate wasn’t a mistake, nor was it fraudulent. The tests would have been deemed racist, homophobic, transphobic, istaphobic-phobaphobic unless everyone was positive! Now that’s equity!
Drosten seems to hate scientific debate. What this shows me about Drosten, is that he is more of an autocrat disguised as a scientist. Too many of these types and he would have done just as well during the Nazi regime.
Climate change shares this allure for poor scientists - absence of doubt. Questioning and criticism cannot be tolerated; only the purity of belief. The top of the greasy pole is inhabited by fragile egos, with brittle and defensive personalities.
It’s not just him; All of them in positions of power & control, whether scientists/doctors/ politicians/billionaires are autocrats who do NOT want to give any of it up
Well science as a *process* for inquiry is never over, but correctly understood 'settled science' refers to the settling-down of debate over a particular scientific question. If this happens by an organic, distributed process of replicated experimentation to validatate a theory, it can be legitimately described as 'settled'. That doesn't mean inquiry is over, just subsided.
If the answer is politically dictated, it's not truly settled. That's not even science.
Wait a minute - last week Dr Jay B. was not aware the definition of vaccine had changed or the definition of was it immunity. I watched his profound ignorance in this news in an interview with another doctor. I must say I was somewhat alarmed.
"He has attacked its authors in thinly veiled ways several times now. Especially revealing is his enthusiastic agreement with the Guardian columnist that Bhattacharya, Kulldorff and Gupta are guilty of sabotage.
This is not a word anybody would apply to intellectual opponents, or to colleagues with merely different opinions about the proper cost-benefit analysis of a policy. The whole flap shows that Drosten is playing a very different kind of game. "
Thanks for this fun update from the Twitterverse and great playbill to read from.. gotta love watching these spineless, lying little worms squirm!
Another wonderfully-expressed post. I'm always a little leery of being enthusiastic enough to be mistaken for a slimy sycophant, but I really am glad for the accident that brought me here. So much trash in the online information world and the glitter that caught my eye was genuine diamond.
But to the substance: The GBD is unforgiveable because it was something noble and courageous. It's the benchmark. Gotta cut it down to a tolerable size.
Astrologers state as fact that the relative positions of some of the celestial bodies in our solar system affect human behaviour, events, and so on.
That's okay, really. Anyone can state that A is due to B. If we can't, we have no science.
But the astrologers never shows the mechanism as to how events are due the celestial bodies. And that's a big no-no. No how, no know-how.
Same as with oh let's say lockdowns, mandates, mRNA-therapies, massive overdosing of vitamins, detoxing, chiropracty, keto and so on.
You may claim that freely, but you are obligated to show and prove how, in a fashion that others can replicate. Or you have zero claim to any truth at all, and should be seen as at best a naive well-meaning optimist, and at worst a capitalist grifter or a paranoid fanatic.
How does Saturn being X kilometers from Earth, rather than Y kilometers from Earth, affect and effect the number of cases of Covid? When astrologers can prove how that works, then tey deserve more respect than the charlatans that they currently are.
And that is astronomy and physics, at least the tides. You are of course free to provide proof re: menstruation.
I'll repeat for your benefit: describe and prove how a celestial object effect and affects a specific event. The tides seems to be gravitic interactions affecting fluids, as far as I'm aware.
But astrologers claim to know that historical events both on individual personal scale and on international makroskopic scale is due to relative positions of planets, comets and so on. How? Prove and demonstrate the process.
Astrologers also claim their system gives knowledge of future events. Again, prove how.
I can do an easy one for you: I predict based on Cthulhu's shoe size that there will be an earthquake in Japan before year's end.
Now, since we know roughly the number of quakes per year in Japan, we both know that there will be one before years end.
But that doesn't prove that my prediction was right, since it was based on something that has nothing to do (or no demonstrated process of neither correlation nor causation) with any earthquakes, does it? (Nor was it based on something that actually exists, outside fiction.)
See the error astrologers (and many, many others) always make?
Well, perhaps you could, if you wanted to, spend the requisite time to learn about gravity?
I'd never argue with a phycisist uner the assumption that I now as much. On the other hand, as my field is (apat from pol sci) the ideas of history/history of ideas, I will argue as a (very minor) authority about that.
And astrology cannot prove anything but that astrologers can't prove anything. Same metric as for anyone making a positive claim: prove it, in a replicable manner, all data made public, especially the method and means.
Which astrologers and virtually all of self-proclaimed alternatives to science never does (and the alternative to science is guessing, hoping and praying).
The refusal of alternativistics to do this only enforces their status of snake oil salesmen - I fail to see why anyone should or indeed would decry Pfizer or Drosten for their well-known fraudulent behaviour, and therefore immediately jump both feet first in a different direction. The one being wrong does not equal the other being right, especially not because of the one being wrong. That's the way children under 5 and lower animals think due to their brain still being in development.
Good point. And that's probably also true of every other presumably causational relationship.
For gravitation, how about rolling it back to a set of regular mathematical relationships that always seem to pertain between material bodies? We could do that for physics, but likely not for astrology.
Maybe at some level, but if say, the moon was to collide with the earth I think our understanding of the results would be understood at a deeper level than "the earth and the moon and everything else in existence pulls at each other from afar somehow".
Not all of the "Drostens" are lying or acting for the plebs' "own good". I assume that the incidence of psychopathy is rather high in the ruling classes and their minions. Andrew W. Lobaczewski's 1998 book _Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes_ is a heavy read, but highly enlightening. Or you can start with Hervey Cleckly's _The Mask of Sanity_ (1941).
This is really a good identification, worthy of retention: "Astrology is the only Science that powerful Science-Followers can ever follow, because it is the Science that continually refashions itself, to demand that powerful Science-Followers do what they already want to do."
If I'm not mistaken, Drosten has still to face the music for the "vaccines" he pushed in 2009, vaccines that resulted in permanent narcolepsy for then teenagers, among other things. He's yet another one of the criminally malfeasant monsters in charge. He pushed the fraudulent PCR tests used everywhere, the tests that play such a huge role in keeping this pathology going.
We all have our own demonic crosses to bear, but I’ll never forget when I read that SOB Ferguson was quoted as saying that they never thought Europe would follow/allow the Chinese “lockdown model” & then Italy did it, “& we realized we could”. That, & getting caught breaking lockdown to have sex. Why aren’t these people hanging from lampposts????
Wow, thanks! I can't believe I managed to miss that after reading the Caine Mutiny and all of the Patrick O'Brian Jack Aubrey books. Or maybe you should read the thread again...
It amazes me that in the middle of what's supposedly the "worst pandemic in history" no one is allowed to offer anything that goes against the approved narrative. It's almost like "they" don't ever want it to end? Hmm. And as to the petty and childish temper tantrums...I am rolling my eyes.
I can't understand how adults spend any time Twatting at all.
The beauty of substack is the limitless ways in which to express your thoughts. The elegantly crafted prose of Eugyppius would be impossible on Twatter.
Often a person’s interpretation of another’s motivations reveals more about their own motivations. Dorsten is clearly a careerist media whore, so he interprets the actions of others through the same lens.
Projection!
What does that say about us projecting on him?
that’s so so so deep, that it’s over my head. Good luck with the circular firing squad in your head.👍
I guess the science astrologers aren’t the only people you can’t question
If person A points out that person B’s unreasonable and angry accusations indicate that person B is probably projecting, it doesn’t also mean that person A is projecting. Not unless their statement is couched in an irrational and vicious fashion.
Projecting what?
We call this projection. As noted by others.
Drosten’s fraudulent and worthless PCR test which is incapable of detecting infection was the cornerstone of the plandemic. The test generated untold billions in revenue while simultaneously destroying both lives and economies over phantom “cases”. What a wonderful legacy this charlatan has!
The PCR test was a ruse to collect the DNA of every person.
I wish I could have made that reply myself! 👍
You will, Richard, you will !!!
Perhaps the test was designed to be overly “inclusive?” You have to admit it worked out great for them.
What a brilliant observation - a 95% false positivity rate wasn’t a mistake, nor was it fraudulent. The tests would have been deemed racist, homophobic, transphobic, istaphobic-phobaphobic unless everyone was positive! Now that’s equity!
Drosten seems to hate scientific debate. What this shows me about Drosten, is that he is more of an autocrat disguised as a scientist. Too many of these types and he would have done just as well during the Nazi regime.
Climate change shares this allure for poor scientists - absence of doubt. Questioning and criticism cannot be tolerated; only the purity of belief. The top of the greasy pole is inhabited by fragile egos, with brittle and defensive personalities.
It’s not just him; All of them in positions of power & control, whether scientists/doctors/ politicians/billionaires are autocrats who do NOT want to give any of it up
Science can never be settled. If something is settled, it is not science.
Repeating compulsively that the science is already settled does not make it any truer. Only shows the desperation of a true believer.
Well science as a *process* for inquiry is never over, but correctly understood 'settled science' refers to the settling-down of debate over a particular scientific question. If this happens by an organic, distributed process of replicated experimentation to validatate a theory, it can be legitimately described as 'settled'. That doesn't mean inquiry is over, just subsided.
If the answer is politically dictated, it's not truly settled. That's not even science.
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Jay Bhattacharya is one of the few sane doctors out there!!!
And as such will be attacked by the insane ones
Wait a minute - last week Dr Jay B. was not aware the definition of vaccine had changed or the definition of was it immunity. I watched his profound ignorance in this news in an interview with another doctor. I must say I was somewhat alarmed.
"He has attacked its authors in thinly veiled ways several times now. Especially revealing is his enthusiastic agreement with the Guardian columnist that Bhattacharya, Kulldorff and Gupta are guilty of sabotage.
This is not a word anybody would apply to intellectual opponents, or to colleagues with merely different opinions about the proper cost-benefit analysis of a policy. The whole flap shows that Drosten is playing a very different kind of game. "
Thanks for this fun update from the Twitterverse and great playbill to read from.. gotta love watching these spineless, lying little worms squirm!
Another wonderfully-expressed post. I'm always a little leery of being enthusiastic enough to be mistaken for a slimy sycophant, but I really am glad for the accident that brought me here. So much trash in the online information world and the glitter that caught my eye was genuine diamond.
But to the substance: The GBD is unforgiveable because it was something noble and courageous. It's the benchmark. Gotta cut it down to a tolerable size.
(edited to correct mistake in acronyn)
Ah, give him a mask, some Paxlovid, a soy latte to wash it down and a safe space.
Astrologers state as fact that the relative positions of some of the celestial bodies in our solar system affect human behaviour, events, and so on.
That's okay, really. Anyone can state that A is due to B. If we can't, we have no science.
But the astrologers never shows the mechanism as to how events are due the celestial bodies. And that's a big no-no. No how, no know-how.
Same as with oh let's say lockdowns, mandates, mRNA-therapies, massive overdosing of vitamins, detoxing, chiropracty, keto and so on.
You may claim that freely, but you are obligated to show and prove how, in a fashion that others can replicate. Or you have zero claim to any truth at all, and should be seen as at best a naive well-meaning optimist, and at worst a capitalist grifter or a paranoid fanatic.
How does Saturn being X kilometers from Earth, rather than Y kilometers from Earth, affect and effect the number of cases of Covid? When astrologers can prove how that works, then tey deserve more respect than the charlatans that they currently are.
Not holding my breath.
Does the Moon affect the tides and women's cycles?
And that is astronomy and physics, at least the tides. You are of course free to provide proof re: menstruation.
I'll repeat for your benefit: describe and prove how a celestial object effect and affects a specific event. The tides seems to be gravitic interactions affecting fluids, as far as I'm aware.
But astrologers claim to know that historical events both on individual personal scale and on international makroskopic scale is due to relative positions of planets, comets and so on. How? Prove and demonstrate the process.
Astrologers also claim their system gives knowledge of future events. Again, prove how.
I can do an easy one for you: I predict based on Cthulhu's shoe size that there will be an earthquake in Japan before year's end.
Now, since we know roughly the number of quakes per year in Japan, we both know that there will be one before years end.
But that doesn't prove that my prediction was right, since it was based on something that has nothing to do (or no demonstrated process of neither correlation nor causation) with any earthquakes, does it? (Nor was it based on something that actually exists, outside fiction.)
See the error astrologers (and many, many others) always make?
Gravitation is just a word we use to refer to this affect. We don't know what it is or how it works.
Well, perhaps you could, if you wanted to, spend the requisite time to learn about gravity?
I'd never argue with a phycisist uner the assumption that I now as much. On the other hand, as my field is (apat from pol sci) the ideas of history/history of ideas, I will argue as a (very minor) authority about that.
And astrology cannot prove anything but that astrologers can't prove anything. Same metric as for anyone making a positive claim: prove it, in a replicable manner, all data made public, especially the method and means.
Which astrologers and virtually all of self-proclaimed alternatives to science never does (and the alternative to science is guessing, hoping and praying).
The refusal of alternativistics to do this only enforces their status of snake oil salesmen - I fail to see why anyone should or indeed would decry Pfizer or Drosten for their well-known fraudulent behaviour, and therefore immediately jump both feet first in a different direction. The one being wrong does not equal the other being right, especially not because of the one being wrong. That's the way children under 5 and lower animals think due to their brain still being in development.
"Well, perhaps you could, if you wanted to, spend the requisite time to learn about gravity?"
Me? Lol. Sure. Perhaps you might provide a clue as to what I might learn about the causes of gravity, being that I've never studied it.
Good point. And that's probably also true of every other presumably causational relationship.
For gravitation, how about rolling it back to a set of regular mathematical relationships that always seem to pertain between material bodies? We could do that for physics, but likely not for astrology.
Astronomy is the scientific study of extraterrestrial space. Astrology is fortune-telling for the superstitious.
Maybe at some level, but if say, the moon was to collide with the earth I think our understanding of the results would be understood at a deeper level than "the earth and the moon and everything else in existence pulls at each other from afar somehow".
Excellent piece...!
Batacharya is an exceptionally courageous individual
Drosten - and the lot of them- are the embodiment of cowardice. And Jay remind them of that every time he speaks.
Not all of the "Drostens" are lying or acting for the plebs' "own good". I assume that the incidence of psychopathy is rather high in the ruling classes and their minions. Andrew W. Lobaczewski's 1998 book _Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes_ is a heavy read, but highly enlightening. Or you can start with Hervey Cleckly's _The Mask of Sanity_ (1941).
Drosten was participant in Event 201 where he got his marching orders. He was a fraud from the day he got his PhD.
And this article even raises doubts about the PhD itself --https://truthcomestolight.com/secret-file-on-christian-drosten-the-german-virologist-who-is-responsible-for-the-pcr-protocol/
Very good, Moonspinner.
I guess, the fun thing about all this is, i'm not shy anymore.
This is really a good identification, worthy of retention: "Astrology is the only Science that powerful Science-Followers can ever follow, because it is the Science that continually refashions itself, to demand that powerful Science-Followers do what they already want to do."
If I'm not mistaken, Drosten has still to face the music for the "vaccines" he pushed in 2009, vaccines that resulted in permanent narcolepsy for then teenagers, among other things. He's yet another one of the criminally malfeasant monsters in charge. He pushed the fraudulent PCR tests used everywhere, the tests that play such a huge role in keeping this pathology going.
And 13 years later, still in a position of power to continue wrecking havoc, just like Faux-Xi & hiv/aids going even further back!
We all have our own demonic crosses to bear, but I’ll never forget when I read that SOB Ferguson was quoted as saying that they never thought Europe would follow/allow the Chinese “lockdown model” & then Italy did it, “& we realized we could”. That, & getting caught breaking lockdown to have sex. Why aren’t these people hanging from lampposts????
And in Ferguson’s case, by his dick
There are so many, globally that deserve the lobotomy & worse treatment for what they have done. Start w/ the billionaire globalists
Why is this ONE virologist so important? As far as I can see virology is a defunct area of study. We cannot call it a science.
Nice post, but I think you cut your own tow line with that one idiom.
thanks, fixed :-)
No! "Toe the line" means "keep your toe right on that line and don't deviate an inch from it."
It does NOT mean "pull the boat."
No way! Are you sure?
100%. Though Wikipedia is to be doubted on many issues, they at least give primary sources as reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line
And this, dear children, is why spelling is important...
Wow, thanks! I can't believe I managed to miss that after reading the Caine Mutiny and all of the Patrick O'Brian Jack Aubrey books. Or maybe you should read the thread again...
It's not the thread but the post I'm going by.
I can see an argument for using the other idiom, but mood and tone make me prefer the original in this context.
Wrong...
It amazes me that in the middle of what's supposedly the "worst pandemic in history" no one is allowed to offer anything that goes against the approved narrative. It's almost like "they" don't ever want it to end? Hmm. And as to the petty and childish temper tantrums...I am rolling my eyes.
I can't understand how adults spend any time Twatting at all.
The beauty of substack is the limitless ways in which to express your thoughts. The elegantly crafted prose of Eugyppius would be impossible on Twatter.
Twats are just... so... pointless.