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RioRosie's avatar

They'll never accept blame PERIOD. They'll never repent. They'll never apologize.

Fauci was allowed to slither off into a luxurious retirement, with only a slim chance that he'll be taken to task in front of Congress. (I have only cautious optimism that the Republicans can unify on even this subject.)

From what I can see, the de facto plan now is to pretend the pandemic never happened. But I'm sure there's a Master Plan on How to Exercise a Social Takeover Next Time.

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Forbes's avatar

Master Plan? This was the practice run. And much was learned. The US and other govts learned they can push the public around with impunity. Emergency powers go on forever. Definitions were reworded to fit the occasion, e.g., emergency, pandemic, vaccine, all got redefined. Employment was redefined as essential and non-essential. As if work is optional.

For those preaching "never again," you'd better revisit how you acquiesced as the govt will do it again with mandates, orders, restrictions--all for your own good--because we're in this together. Except for those who disagree and speak out.

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Horace the Menace's avatar

It is possible the pratice run will backfire however. We also will learn from what occurred.

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DrLatusDextro's avatar

Exactly. It was a social experiment first and foremost. Carefully designed (and formally tested psy-ops) were in play BEFORE any vaxxing was available. The vaxxing was quickly uncontrolled so, essentially no useful science to see there.

The global social study was undertaken to determine the limitations of a cultivated perception, one of indoctrinated saving benevolence. The 'instruments' used were varied, 'vaccines', lock down, 'vaccine' ID, two tiered society, limited access for non-compliers, mandates, no jobs for mandated non compliers, etc...

This pilot social study demonstrated that benevolent tyranny may be imposed with the aid of an accepted variety of coercive tools and vectors, but that its endurance is limited.

Trouble is, in the background, they're still hard at it, and they still own the decerebrate media.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” CS Lewis ~ "The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment". "God in the Dock," (1970). https://www.azquotes.com/quote/349305

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sonya's avatar

Very well said… yes my German mother who was a teenager throughout the 2nd world war always told me anyone who says they are doing something horrific but it’s all for your own good is the worst type of tyranny.

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DrLatusDextro's avatar

Thank you. The final quote is attributed to CS Lewis.

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Forbes's avatar

Exactly. Well said.

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

Just think about how the "Spanish Flu" psyop was memory holed. It's nothing compared to what this atrocity will be.

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H8SBAD's avatar

The Republicans? Though I admire the current House investigations into censorship, with the exception of Ron Johnson and Rand Paul, the Red Team cheered the vaccines as much as the Blues, and are just as fully bought by Big Pharma.

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RioRosie's avatar

Agree--re: the entire pandemic response.

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Forbes's avatar

Republicans chase their own tail while playing whack-a-mole fighting (investigating) the last battle. Meanwhile Democrats have moved on to the next target to discredit/defeat, the next territory to conquer, the next imposition to press on the culture, the next indignity to impose on their opposition, the next election to prevail. Republicans keep playing defense in order to minimize losses, while Democrats relentlessly charge ahead on offense, irrespective of any setbacks, undeterred.

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james's avatar

It was the Trump administration that started operation Warp Speed. Any engineer or product liability lawyer could figure out in advance that rushing previously failed technology onto the market with zero liability for manufacturers was a very very bad idea.

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Carl Eric Scott's avatar

Sure hope you're wrong, RioRosie, at least about some segments of the "Them." Because I've been thinking about what I call the "Repentance or Repression" hypothesis--see my stack--, which holds that if all segments of the elite keep trying this game of non-acknowledgement, not firing anyone, no investigtions, no debates, etc., they will eventually be forced to return to and ramp-up the tools of repression, eventually leading to outright despotism.

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Stuffysays's avatar

Limited Hangouts is, I believe, the technical term. According to CJ Hopkins, that is what we are all being offered now. Although the whole last 3 years has simply disappeared from the collective memory of the British - I'm not aware of any rehabilitation or discussion or anything else. We just have Matt Hancock (aka Midazolam Matt, the former Death Secretary) trying to reinvent himself as a cuddly chappie on reality tv shows.

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Charlotte's avatar

Hancock is to public health what Tony Blair is to war time strategies.

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Richard Lyons's avatar

Yes, I had that very thought as I began to read the article...

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Stuffysays's avatar

Do you think he's the fall guy? I don't think the UK is going to both with that - Hancock is busy trying to be the next Michael Portillo or Ed Balls which he wouldn't be doing if he was going to be the one falling on his sword. Most of the culprits have moved on. Most of the public don't want to know because they have also moved on, with their masks stashed in their bags "just in case". I hear the news on the BBC radio and they barely mention Covid or anything to do with the whole shebang - a quick mention that Camilla had "tested positive and had cold-like symptoms" but only mentioned once.

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KarlM Alias's avatar

Not as the serious illnesses/death/sterility continue to rise, quite possibly exponentially as the jabbed immune systems completely fail. Give it a few months - Hancock may well be hung, but not out to dry.

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Dollars4Dummies's avatar

Only prosecutions will prevent this from happening again. And so far there are no credible indications of possible prosecutions.

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Joe's avatar

Who is going to prosecute when the perpetrators are still in charge?

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Dollars4Dummies's avatar

Yes, that's a problem. But in the US, as long as there's any remnant of the separation of powers and state's rights, there'll be some jurisdiction somewhere with the motivation, standing, and authority to prosecute. But it will be very, very difficult. Outside the US, I don't know what will work, if anything.

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Anti Communist's avatar

We have chronicled, and definitively proven many elements of the Convid PsyOp. There is no oversight, even the "good legislators" are complicit, or too cowed to defend us. There is only one path, and that is a true insurrection, with battlefield justice. We will soon learn who has the orchic substance, and who will go gently in to their good night.

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aj's avatar

there are 11 states that are supposed to be able to field direct citizen grand juries, without having them approved by the court. The citizens have subpoena power in them. I can't believe that the only statewide initiative appears to be FL's.

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KarlM Alias's avatar

And that's half-assed, at best.

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CMCM's avatar

Those who could prosecute are on the same side as the perps.

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Evil Harry's avatar

Or assassinations.

Just thinking out loud for any glowies in the room.

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Irina Metzler's avatar

We had a guest from Germany stay with us in the UK for a month in spring 2022, an academic on visiting lectureship/ research. This highly educated, extremely intelligent soul was beginning to see, when I spoke with him at length, that lockdowns harmed the most vulnerable, aka poor people, redistributed wealth to the already rich, stunted children’s social and educational development, and even that such a thing as vaccine damage might exist. BUT he ultimately stuck to his guns with the final bastion of his argument, which was: “But we had to do something”.

This sentiment of actionism, the need to do something and most importantly to be _seen_ to do something, anything, regardless of effectiveness or damage, is, methinks, one of the cornerstones of Covidian thinking. In the worldview of the caring, liberal democratic citizen, not doing anything and just holding a “wait and see” mentality is anathema, since that would be tantamount to the kind of stoicism and “giving in to nature” associated with the premodern, medieval past, when people were at the mercy of truly devastating plagues. The modern, science-backed citizen _expects_ their government to act, and act quickly and decisively, even if such hasty actions do more harm than good.

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Irena's avatar

Excellent comment! Exactly. One of the bigger problems with the modern culture is that we always have to "do something." Even when that something doesn't help or even makes things worse.

Sometimes, people say that the vast majority of the population had nothing to fear from COVID. Well... The fear was definitely disproportionate to the threat, but even so, when I caught COVID (as a healthy 30-something), it was like the worst flu I'd even had. I know a woman in her late 20s (granted, not exactly in perfect health) who wound up intubated and was lucky to survive. So, it wasn't exactly nothing.

But the thing is, once this thing was all over Wuhan, it was already too late. We were all going to be exposed to the bug sooner or later. The correct thing would have been to accept this unpleasant reality and try to find the most efficient ways to treat the sick. (Me, I'm pretty pissed I couldn't get ivermectin when I was sick.) Instead, we collectively decided (led by our illustrious elites) that the inevitable was unacceptable, and so we're now dealing with the damage of the "something" that we just "had to do."

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Paul's avatar

Don't forget that the ENTIRE scheme to prevent the use of available and useful drugs was done to MAKE SURE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE got the 'shot.' The virus was just a cover to give those shots. You can look at it just financially or much deeper than that.

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pobrecollie's avatar

Exactly. Very little made sense from a public health point of view. It went well beyond incompetence. When you take "vaccinate as many people as possible" as a goal, then it makes a lot more sense.

"Just financially" doesn't make that much sense either. The shots were paid for. Why force them onto people that didn't want them? Why coerce them into kids arms?

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Barry Kissane's avatar

Once the shots were purchased, they had to be used, didn’t they? Otherwise, governments would have to explain to their taxpayers why such massive purchases/contracts were made. (Not all that different from Hiroshima.)

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pobrecollie's avatar

I don't buy that as a reason. That's happening right now and no one gives a shit. Populations are used to governments fucking up with spending, but not with medical tyranny.

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CMCM's avatar

I don't know, the governments waste unimaginable amounts of money and never feel the need to explain all that waste. Plus enormous sums of money just went "missing". Most of the public is clueless.

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CMCM's avatar

Another aspect of the shots was that they envisioned booster after booster after booster and perhaps the plan was to brainwash everyone into getting that booster after booster after booster....a dream of a revenue stream on a worldwide scale.

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carol ann's avatar

Agree except that it wasn't a collective decision to do something. Many pushed back against it and were sidelined, censored etc. even those who were experts in the field. This has resulted in many people (including myself) feeling alienated and despairing and rather lost about what to do next.

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pobrecollie's avatar

Vitamin D would have saved a lot of problems.

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Barry Kissane's avatar

Not for pharmaceutical companies.

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Hilary Wallace's avatar

But we could have done something much better. If early treatment hadn’t been vilified, very few would have needed to fear this disease. Of course we all know why these early treatments had to be banned.

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Quakeress's avatar

"We had to do something!" is one of the cornerstones of politics anywhere - they can't just wait for some things to resolve themselves, voters need to see them in action, doing things.

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kertch's avatar

Why let a crisis go to waste when you you can use it to increase your power, money, and influence?

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Dhammafarer's avatar

精湛的评论

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

The situation is very similar in the UK, with the elite still prepared to remove jobs and banish anyone caught even suggesting questions need to be answered. Last week a small television channel continued its destruction with a pincer movement from the BBC and Ofcom, backed by Government. The channel in question is flawed, but the intent is even clearer.

An MP dared to stand up in Parliament and describe some of the issues - he was humiliated and destroyed by former Minister Matt Hancock and the current Prime Minister Rishi Sunak. Again, the MP is not perfect, but again the message is very clear.

The vindictive purge so evident from March 2020 onwards is still very much in business. Even journalists who have written the most awful things now get to claim 'it was so difficult'. Gas lighting.

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TRM's avatar

"there will be no general Corona reckoning in Germany" - Not the legal reckoning but at this point I don't care if it's legal or not.

I hope most people who took the shots don't fall for the "mistakes were made" BS but I have my doubts. They are still demanding people take the shots before organ transplants in Canada & the USA. That despite the fact that the shots have cause transplanted organ REJECTION. In Japan they have 20 cornea rejections (some were stable for years) and in New York they have 3 lung rejections.

Irony of irony is that now the unvaxxed are the least of their worries. In Canada, for example, 33 million people took the shots. If 1% are violence prone that is 330,000 which is 3 for every doctor in the country.

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RioRosie's avatar

AND the CDC added the covid injection to the list of required "vaccinations" for children.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Many states tie their mandated shots to the CDC's recommendations -- and the CDC most certainly knows this.

But you're correct that the ongoing immunity was the most important thing to all the big players.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Tell that to the young adults who are oblivious when they enroll their children in school.

Sure there's a distinction. Which should be made. The jabs in over half the states will be de facto required.

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maisyrusselswart's avatar

Idk anything about German govt or politics, but in the good ol USA nobody ever accepts responsibility for anything, especially when the whole bureaucracy is implicated. Muh Institushuns couldn't withstand that kind of failure in the public eye, hence it cannot be acknowledged that these mistakes were made. They will double down until they feel like they can just pretend like it never happened. Then, maybe, someday someone will quietly release a report that says some mistakes were made the end.

Consequently, "liberal" western govts are unreformable and will continue on this way until the wheels fall off.

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

It's kind of like 60 years later, Americans learn, "oops! I guess the CIA did kill JFK."

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Michael Nucci's avatar

Hard for me to grasp how some people still don't understand this. Our government openly admits to killing foreign leaders, meddling in elections, etc, yet people assume that is only a problem for some foreigners to deal with. Everyone missed that fact that all the laws regarding terrorism in no way were limited solely to foreigners. I realized early on that these measures to contain "terrorism" were directed at the domestic population. Now we are learning that the hard way as legitimate protesters are kept in solitary confinement and tortured.

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Paul's avatar

And so many other things since '63.

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Linotype's avatar

Why has the press been complicit, worldwide, in this debacle? In most western countries the press has been a cheerleader for all manner of assaults on civil liberties. What happened to the "guardians of democracy"?

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Alistair Penbroke's avatar

The press depend heavily on academic and public sector employees as a source of quotes. Employees in the private sector won't talk to journalists except via sanitized PR departments, because they learned the hard way that the press sees them as the enemy and will mislead readers to gin up outrage. No such problems for the academics, who are actively encouraged to talk to the press. If you're a journalist you therefore spend all your time talking to and being persuaded by "scientists", without ever hearing opposing views, and it's easy for them to be brainwashed into thinking they're a part of a great battle between Truth and Misinformation, with the public sector on the side of Truth, of course.

They don't have much choice, realistically. Press culture divides articles into news and opinion. This is a largely artificial distinction (which is Eugyppius or Berensen? It's both, right?). Journalists are taught they can't say things like, "Professor X said Y, but I did my own research and discovered he's wrong". Testimony of one source can only be contradicted by another, and when your only sources are groupthink-addled academics you will rapidly end up repeating absolute nonsense.

The fix is to recognize that legacy media culture is irretrievably broken. Trying to be a neutral chronicler of what sources say requires you to have a diversity of sources but they pissed in that pool so much over the years that it's now stinking and toxic. The future of the press is stuff like our correspondent here, who quotes public officials but isn't afraid to show why they're wrong.

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Linotype's avatar

Legacy media is indeed broken. Depressing...

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curt s sanders's avatar

Yes Sir, Mainstream Media going down.. Can't happen to Soon

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Tardigrade's avatar

The press has indeed been complicit, overtly. Bill Gates has invested millions in media support. There are things like the Trusted News Initiative to encourage and enforce the dogma. Recent revelations from The Twitter Files are revealing that the US government, including intelligence agencies, were part of the effort.

Global culture is a complex system (this is a technical term which has a specific meaning) made up of overlapping feedback loops.

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aj's avatar

also to make it near impossible to amend or break up

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Aaron's avatar

For US media, it originally had a lot to do with opposing President Trump in an election year. In January and February 2020, when he was trying to close the borders against the virus, the media said he was just being racist and encouraged people to go eat at Chinese restaurants to show that the virus wasn't anything to be afraid of. When he started talking about how we needed to ease up on lockdowns and let people get back to work around April, they switched to pro-lockdown and pro-mask and over-the-top hysteria. Eventually it took on a life of its own and became a cult, and there were other factors, but the quest to get rid of the Bad Orange Man was a big one.

I don't know how much the US media influenced the rest of media around the world, or if other media did that same 180-degree turn.

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curt s sanders's avatar

World legacy media is on the Big Pharma payroll, BP is one of the 2 or 3 top advertisers internationally.. they are little more than Big Brothers of Ministry of Truth..

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SimulationCommander's avatar

https://www.brown-watch.com/brownwatch-news/2022/4/3/75-of-tv-advertising-is-from-big-pharma

Pharmaceutical industry TV ad spend in the U.S 2016-2020. In 2020, the pharmaceutical industry spent 4.58 billion U.S. dollars on advertising on national TV in the United States, unsurprisingly representing a big shift in spending compared to the 2019 pre-covid market. In 2020 TV ad spending of the pharma industry accounted for 75 percent of the total ad spend.

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curt s sanders's avatar

Thanks SC! These numbers are worse than I thought... Gargantuan! All to sell Snake Oil and commit Democide... Utter Madness...

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SimulationCommander's avatar

The presstitutes got paid.

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Paul's avatar

I don't mean to be rude, but where have you been for the last 20 -30 years? Maybe 40-50?

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carol ann's avatar

Many are now receiving huge government subsidies. In New Zealand, these come with the condition that they only support the 'correct' ideas especially for covid and climate changes. MSM here see themselves as activists against the evil forces of anyone who does not comply with their world view. It's all about 'their truth'. I believe Gates et al also fund many publications via think tanks who give grants and other support (same with 'independent fact checkers')

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Manuel's avatar

Almost everything governments do is bad for their citizens. For that reason, they have devised a really elaborate propaganda machine. Actually, now that I think about it, propaganda is probably the only thing governments do well.

Why would they acknowledge they blew it with covid?

That would create a horrible precedent for them.

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Tardigrade's avatar

I agree the propaganda is not only the only thing governments do well, it's almost the only thing they do.

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Manuel's avatar

I think you forgot to finish your sentence...

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Tardigrade's avatar

Thanks, fixed.

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Quakeress's avatar

I think governments can implement sensible policies their citizens will profit from. Problem is, there needs to be a high level of competence and conscientiousness on the part of the executive, legislative and judiciary branches, and we're far from that.

Instead, we have barely-educated but well-meaning brainwashed 22-year-old students who suddenly find themselves with political power. What could go wrong?

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Manuel's avatar

What you say is true in theory. But that is not how governments work in the real world.

When you think about the government, always consider that governments have the power of legal coercion. And we should reserve them for these things that absolutely need to be handled using force. Everything else needs to be done using voluntary arrangements.

So it is not a matter of who is in charge. It is the system that is wrong.

Why do you think imposing sensible policies is a good idea? It doesn't really make sense to me. If the policies are good, why should them be imposed? Wouldn't we adopt them voluntarily?

No matter how you look at it, the whole idea of a benevolent government that takes care of its happy population is just propaganda.

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Quakeress's avatar

Think of child labour. No doubt, prohibiting child labour was sensible policy; yet, not everybody agreed because some profited from it and some thought it was a morally sound idea. They wouldn't have adopted a prohibition of child labour voluntarily.

Governments are given power by the people and are allowed to use that power in accordance with the people's constitutional rights. I firmly believe there are areas where it makes absolute sense to legislate. The problem we have is with government overreach and with total idiots as members of parliament.

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The Green Hornet's avatar

"The media, the greater part of our political establishment, and our bureaucratic and academic institutions, all had a hand in these crimes. They’ll never accept blame as long as they’re still in power."

Nailed it. In every country.

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Hilary Wallace's avatar

Is anyone addressing the excess deaths which I believe are high in Germany (not sure why so much higher than some other countries though)?. I doubt it as no-one seems to be addressing them anywhere.

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eugyppius's avatar

I'll write about this sometime soon. Deaths are back down to the (overly high) baseline. They should be well below it, of course. Also births are still depressed.

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Swen Gerards's avatar

The births will keep being depressed. It is as people are incapable of understanding the simplest ideas of immunology. How can anyone think that getting a vaccine, that "deposits" itself in the ovaries and have the cells there produce the foreign protein, which the immune system will react to, by killing those cells, leading to inflammation and localized micro scarring, would not have a significant effect on reproduction?

There is a PNG from the document from Pfizer that was handed over to governments around the globe in January 2021, showing Table 4-2. And nobody did longer trials nor biopsies to determine the damage done to the tissues (heart/brain/spinal cord/uterus/ovaries/etc.)

https://twitter.com/swengerards/status/1625176393138028545

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aj's avatar

Fauci forbade autopsies, because he evidently is used to present red lines to all professionals in the country. They have done the autopsies in other places, which replicated your quoted study.

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I was actually talking about doing biopsies on the mice. They knew that their drug goes everywhere. Basic immunology says that whenever the immune system encounters cells presenting foreign protein, those cells will get killed, leading to local inflammation. The obviously questions that Pfizer did not look into and was not asked the regulatory bodies to do so are: What are the concentrations after 72 hours, 96 hours, a week, two weeks. And then also take biopsies of those mice's organs and tissues and look for possible inflammation and scarring. That should have been done before those drugs were approved.

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aj's avatar

the results of this experiment reinforce the slow steady method that used to be used for testing. But of course, what they did this time lends credence to genocidal intent, rather than health.

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Horace the Menace's avatar

Births in the west have been falling for fifty years. Since the club of Rome "Limits to growth" paper and the Kissinger report which proposed a slate of measures (then implemented) to reduce fertility. Sperm counts have been falling for decades too and are 50% of what they once were.

That said, human efforts do tend to offset medically caused reductions in fertility. In other words people keep trying to have the number of babies they desire even when it requires significant medical assistance and large expense.

Implementing taxation, inflation and welfare policies so that

- both parents have to work (in some cases multiple jobs)

- the cost of raising children is prohibitive for large families

- support in old age comes from other peoples' children via taxation/welfare rather than your own children who can't afford to support you because of said taxation/welfare (thus further reducing the incentive to have children)

reduces the number of children people want to have, and is far more effective in reducing birth rates than poisons will ever be.

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Charlotte's avatar

Pull- forward is non-existent- so that' s scary. We should be banking on well below norms.

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Peter Kriens's avatar

Are you looking at the European figures? I noticed that in the Netherlands (my nationality), France (where I live) and Germany (where I often work) the excess deaths go up and down but the European total has been scarily constant since end of 2020. (euromomo.eu), and not in the elderly.

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aj's avatar

the hospital deaths in the elderly are contaminated by the presence of the protocols using midazolam, Remdesivir and vents. These are euthanasia protocols.

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Hilary Wallace's avatar

I recently saw a video by John Campbell PhD and he quoted a list of excess features figures. I think it was from Our World in Data.

I am in Belgium and we were told that here in Flanders the vaxx rate was 90+%. Brussels was lower and Wallonia slightly lower as well I think but excess deaths here don’t seem as high as Germany. I would have thought that most Western European countries would be on a fairly even par if we do think that vaccine deaths are making up a bit part of the excess.

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SnowInTheWind's avatar

It could be that "hotter" batches were sent to Germany. That would be likely if the distributers of said batches happened to hold old ethnic grudges.

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Charlotte's avatar

Or higher booster uptake? Has there been a breakdown somewhere between the countries and when the boosters were rolled out? They seem to push the boosters in a cyclical fashion (like in the US).

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KarlM Alias's avatar

Give it time. A young (25 yo) Belgium goalkeeper dropped dead on the pitch today.

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Dhammafarer's avatar

James Corbett mentioned a while ago the interesting correlation between yearly flu-shit (flu-shot) uptake and COVID/maybe vaxx death.

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z28.310's avatar

Speaking of excess death, John Campbell put out two good videos this week on government recommended protocols for covid that caused huge spikes in deaths. Covid plus opioid plus benzo equals death, and the government pushed it.

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Charlotte's avatar

Yes, that was a very informative video- confirming once and for all that encouraging doctors to prescribe opioids and benzos during a pandemic involving respiratory distress equals death. Pure and simple, any thinking doctor should have seen that!

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Charlotte's avatar

My guess is that the new spike is perfectly timed to the latest booster shots.

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Tardigrade's avatar

In the linked talk show, which I had to watch with not-very-adequate English captions as I don't speak German, Lauterbach claimed that Sweden had much higher death rate and Germany did excellently.

Everybody has their pet data set.

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Rikard's avatar

Actual official data re: Sweden. You can forward the link to Lauterbach if you like.

[https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa]

In short we've had 23 563 die of/from Covid so far. That's cases confirmed by lab testing, not people having a heart attack while driving and also being infected, but where Covid infection was the leading cause of death.

That's 23 563 out of 2 696 168 registered confirmed cases (not cofirmed via PCR but via blood tests).

I think Lauterbach is cooly calculating that no-one will check his claims.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Everybody can find data to back up their own personal ideas. There's nothing new about this. People on both sides of nutrition debates, for example, could pull up any number of PubMed articles to support their argument, as I've observed for the 12 years I've been paying attention.

My point was that all data is suspect, and exponentially more so where Covid is concerned, because of all the misrepresenting and manipulation by agenda-driven parties. I don't think any of the numbers are trustworthy. Some of the numbers out there undoubtedly are what you or I might consider *true*, but identifying them is hard, and then getting a doubter to accept them is even harder.

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Rikard's avatar

Maybe so, but my point was there's no support for Lauterbach's claims re: differences between Sweden and Germany.

And we can only ever work with what data are available. Dismissing them out of hand is as bad as trusting them blindly - the main page with all the details about the data I linked (which is really just six tables for quick and easy reference) is in swedish only, you'll excuse me for not translating thousands of words and having to look up clinical terminology for correct translations I'm sure.

We have very good data-collection here, and while there has been cases of clear obfuscation-by-omission, it only happens in migrant-related topics (incidence of rape for africans and arabs f.e.).

To mess up the Covid-data without anyone raising a red flag would mean hundreds if not thousands of doctors, nurses and secretaries in the health care sector would all be in on it. Highly unlikely, as bad data collection for medical references would disrupt their day-to-day work.

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Quakeress's avatar

He's an idiot, we all know that.

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Hilary Wallace's avatar

I doubt we’ll ever know the truth as I suspect we can’t rely on the data. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

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Rosemary B's avatar

You lucky slobs.

We have to wait until MAY before the panic and pandemonium is maybe perhaps, hopefully "over"

meantime, there are still plennnnty of maskers here

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RioRosie's avatar

Biden is using the "pandemic" to bolster his Student Loan Forgiveness Scam.

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Rosemary B's avatar

Oh... right. I did not think of that.

Those poor sad suffering students.

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Dell's avatar

Student loans are paid off if you wear a mask.

What's not to like?

They wear a mask so they won't get sick and receive a pile of cash to have fun with. Isn't Spring Break around the corner?

:-)

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Cindi's avatar

And LGB-FJB is trying to overturn court to start re-masking on planes again. Right as the “emergency” “expires”.

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RioRosie's avatar

Because the Biden Bunch hasn't done enough to screw up the airlines.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

The airlines...and everything else.

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Cindi's avatar

No $#!+ Rio!

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Charlotte's avatar

I think we have 2 seasonalities going on now- the corona virus seasonality (which has been greatly altered by the boosters and jabs) and the interest in masks and corona in general- summer time is approaching and that's when it's the season where everyone pretends they aren't scared of a virus- until Fall rolls over again...

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Rosemary B's avatar

yes, then back to the panic and push for yearly vaccines.

I hate these people

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KarlM Alias's avatar

Hardly anyone is lining up any more. Everyone knows - except the few % lunatic zealots.

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Rosemary B's avatar

agree.

Some are just dug in and refuse to admit they are wrong, so they continue on the path. I know quite a few people like that, actually

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pobrecollie's avatar

Remind liberal that they voted for Biden as he was going tom end the pandemic. What did you get, an n95 mask and some shitty antigen tests for free, exactly what was needed to keep the hysteria going.

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Bash's avatar

I noticed the verboten AfD is polling better than ever at 17%. Maybe the malaise is more pronounced than people think

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eugyppius's avatar

The black pill to that white one is that Greens are holding steady at like 14% support – despite their total ongoing obvious incompetence, the only coalition party not to be bleeding supporters.

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aj's avatar

their presence is bought and paid for by the usual suspects

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pobrecollie's avatar

It's like in France. I wondered how anyone could vote for that tyrannical little shit Macron, but my friend did as Le Penn is "far right".

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Bash's avatar

My grandparents voted for him as well. Same reason.

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Charlotte's avatar

Maybe because the number of stupids remains steady?

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Bash's avatar

In fairness, those who voted green kind of wanted on a subconscious level for the house to burn down. Cult and all. So their support maintaining somehow doesn't surprise me

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Quakeress's avatar

I think this is as high as they are going to get. As a party, they are finished - they didn't have a chance from the beginning, when the media and politics began to clamour and campaign against them. The only thing that is happening right now is that they are destroying the chances of Christian Democrats to govern one of the states either on its own or with a non-leftist party as their coalition partner.

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Vanda Salvini's avatar

Your last paragraph, 'It’s important to remain optimistic and forward-looking, but we’re very far from any kind of victory here' couldn't be more true.

El Gato Malo posted an article yesterday about digital ID's in Canada: improvement to our decaying health care rationing system is being used as leverage for digital ID's.

Spartacus (ICENI) just penned a long substack article that is deeply disturbing in it's prognostics for the future.

Optimism with eyes wide open and steely resolve.

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Hilary Wallace's avatar

We also have the WHO threatening it’s new rules about international vaccine passports and the new ICD codes in the US for those who haven’t complied or haven’t complied adequately.

For someone who at 67 hasn’t had a vaccine for getting on for 40 years and is doing just fine, it is rather alarming. However my right to determine my own healthcare is a hill on which I die. My years are numbered but I fear for my daughters and brand new granddaughter unless things get turned around d.

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pobrecollie's avatar

Anyone want to form a new religion based around belief on your God given immune system's ability to fight off a mild cold?

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baker charlie's avatar

I wonder if a Universal Life Church pastorhood (which permits one to officiate at weddings and other 'religious' moments) would be enough to be able to write a jab exemption.

I think it is so funny in retrospect, one could have a guy in a van by the river marry your ass, but when it comes to this, the authorities are damn picky who they will accept.

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Daniele Vecchi's avatar

The people I blame the most are the members of Parliament in most countries that didn’t stand by their liberal and democratic constitutions. They all fell for the emergency, though it was not, thinking it would justify every possible mistake. But it is exactly in difficult times when we need people to stick to principles. A very bad precedent has been set and now every politician knows that it is enough to declare an emergency and the doors to dictatorship are wide open.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

"What is a country? A country is what it stands for, when standing for something is most difficult; this is what we stand for: truth, justice, and the value of a single human being." ("Judgment at Nuremberg") We have forgotten the lessons from the Nuremberg Trials or never learned them in the first place just as the Nuremberg Code has been completely ignored; the Holocaust was just a trial run to test the depths of depravity that humans can resort to in commiting crimes against one's fellow creatures; it has never been just about the Jews but the evil perpetrated against the sanctity of life granted to each of us by our Creator."I am now giving you the choice between life and death, between God's blessing and God's curse, and I call heaven and earth to witness the choice you make, Choose life." (Deuteronomy 30:19)

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FoolsGold's avatar

Germany is no different to Australia and vice versa. The covid cult is very well entrenched like any religion. mRNA to these believers is like Koolaid is to other cultists. The final reckoning is probably the same thankfully.

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KarlM Alias's avatar

In Denmark they stopped all gene jabs a while ago. Hardly ever see anyone in a mask.

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