My current twitter bio has the first sentence of this quote. I started thinking about this a lot since 2020 (and finding the Eugyppius substack)
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
So many of the vaccinated have defended, and continue to defend the "vaccines" with such fervor and certainty that now, I confess, I feel ambivalent watching them collapse like felled trees on soccer fields, train platforms and newscasts, etc. I don't really intend to be cruel about it, but it's certainly cruel for government agencies and their media enablers to dispassionately watch this disaster unfolding while continuing with their "safe and effective" mantra.
As long as they say publicly that the injections stop trans mission and infection, may these liars all burn for it. I ask them to show me the science that supports that assertion today. They will appeal to some authority and I will look at them with that same stupid look like, you know every still got it right? I also have lots of masks and love asking people to wear them at places that I hate but have to go because of the kids. I hand masks to the mask nazi in my neighbourhood now when they show up without one. Even thought I am not wearing one. F Them, I will not forget. Yes I will make it uncomfortable.
He also discussed obsession with sickness, I think. I read him decades ago. I've thought about going back and seeing if anything he wrote is especially relevant to our current crisis.
Even ag the Vaxxx skeptical or Vaxxx hesitant - there is no defection allowed from the great, mighty, & ultra-“science” Bigg Harm”ass” Vaxxx “industry” ... oopps, I mean “Oz” !
Reading Ben Franklin’s essay on Native American (who he ineptly terms ‘savages’) tribes he encountered was very illuminating. Much of what many early European explorers to North America and Hispañola wrote of the Native societies they interacted with contradict Nietzche’s conclusions about human nature. though some of his insights on highly hierarchical, Christianized industrial societies were sometimes clever. Aren’t his assertions more indicative of humans transformed by the crucible of such cruel cultures, rather than those that allowed us to evolve to the apex of the food chain, which valued social bonds, respect and community over the accumulation of personal material wealth? Perhaps Christianity is based on an apocalyptic premise, because its inherently contradictory nature is unsustainable as a spiritual basis for humanity. We may not any longer live in a predominantly devout JudeoChristian culture as Nietzche did, but it could be argued that we live in the aftermath of its structure. Particularly interesting in many early accounts of the natives is the juxtaposition of how they treated the invading Europeans with how the Europeans treated not only the natives, but also each other.
No one gives you a source. Here's one cribbed from a YT post.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (Oct. 15, 1844, Röcken, Lützen – Aug. 25, 1900, Weimar) "The Religious Mood" §55 Beyond Good and Evil (1886, tr. Helen Zimmern, 1906)
here is one person who more or less discriminates, but rather to the jabbers who discriminated ME first. Like the store that did not allow unjabbed without a mask - forget it ! I rather drive 25 miles to the next store. And 2 former friends who used to be at every party - they long to be invited again. May be at my funeral if they live that long.
I'm one of the people who does have a negative opinion of the vaxxed, like how could they care so little about their health not to do their own research or ask me what I thought (because they knew I wasn't taking it), at the very least just for perspective. I have not forgotten the restaurants that went along with the mandates. I mostly eat at places that only put a sign up at the very end of the passport's lifetime.
This reminds me of my landlady, when I naively confided, early in the pandemic, that I didn't want to get the jab. She replied, diplomatically, that I belonged to "the other side". This came as a bit of a shock, as I had no idea I belonged to "a side" until she said it; to my mind, I was merely expressing a personal, reasoned, choice. Unsurprisingly, my landlady watches mainstream media daily, and I don't, so I didn't get the message I was to be tagged as a socially-dangerous unvaxxed untermensch, until relatively late in the game. In hindsight, being made to belong to "a side" was the first step in the othering and discrimination to follow. I am laughing now, though.
haven't been to restaurant in years ! A small circle of good cooks take turns and we dine together! Cheap, good company and totally at ease because we are home.
I tried that but even the meet up groups left town, and those 200 miles away were all online. That's how desperate I was. No one was around. Many weeks the only person I saw (apart from a work friend for coffee) was the guy in a jewelry store who waved at people walking by. I still can't believe it got this bad.
I’m verbally armed and dangerous for the first person who apologizes for othering me. My planned response, with my wry smile: “You were being a good German.”
I understand Ingrid! I refused to wear a mask and I got into quite a few verbal arguments. After losing my job of 23 years, I wasn’t backing down! I had a couple real good ones-lol! REPRESENT!
Ok, well... yes i do discriminate, but in the way i chose my lifemate, or a car or whatever. And yes i do avoid contact with the superjabbed family, its just for the better. But i never bother to speak of it. Let them figure it out, let some figure i just dont find that very obnoxious trans kid fun to be around. It’s my Christmas too.
Silence is usually the best policy, I agree, since it's never been about facts, but faith and conformity. Let those who worship at the altar of St. Fauci and his miracle cure, do so. They're not salvable, nor do they want to. Never wake a sleepwalker.
Did we ever have to wait for shedding studies? We knew at the Pfizer trial protocols so long ago. It’s the very last thing 'they' want us to know - the ultimate despair - because then the whole charade collapses. At least now we have the phenomenon of un-vaxxed blood banks and can glare at the sad zombies with a renewed sense of selfish optimism.
Read Sunday's "Science News". The shedding makes me want to corral them all into steel containment buildings. I was not afraid of C-19 but I am fearful of the mRNA vaccine. This may be our new Civil War.
(And I thought that it would be about equity).
It is about life and death, not preference or opinion.
another doc advized at least the first 2 or 3 weeks, when the shedding is worst. It is impossible to avoid them completely because of cashiers, hair dresssers and the like, but we can do our best!
One person wrote that she was living with several family members while they were getting mRNA vaccines and boosters, unintentionally staggering them for months. The Author, a very healthy and unvaccinated woman, ended up having a stroke.
We now have a world filled with Mr. and Mrs. Magoos. Their careless unawares cause much harm to many. Then there are the predators. They will harm everyone as best they can. I wish that we could see halos and auras better so we could identify our brethren alongside those who mean us no harm. Any suggestions?
it would be good if they gave off light or auras or so, but I don't think they do ! Trying to keep up with who has been jabbed, is all you can do I think. So far I have only been nauseated with one jabber and it is now many months since she last had one (stopped after the third, I think in march). An old lady had a fourth, but with her I seem to have no problems. Most others I frequent stopped after 2 I think. Hopefully it wears off. It is concerning though, to hear about people who get real sick from their jabbed family or like some babies, have the spike from their mother's milk !
same here. being sick now and then is part of life. but now we deal with sick from human made shedding non-vaccines. Staying away as best as I can from the jabbed ones, specially the recently jabbed ones.
Be gentle to yourself; you are not alone. So much of humanity applauds you and prays for you. Loss and grief are becoming so much more our lot than we think we can bear, yet we are never given a cross so heavy that we cannot.Yes, They may think they win. Let them. Justice and punishment belong with God. You have already won whatever battle is waged before and through you. This material world, this corrodable testing ground, will have had its purpose, and when we dispense of it, we are free.🙏🏽
Thankyou for your interest. Anyone having forgiven a dad for his imperfection will get the sense of freedom that comes with letting God be the wise judge and administrator of punishment where He sees fit. When i seek vengeance over earthly justice, i fail. And my Being is diminished; i feel it. Mom said to us: “ he’s still your father regardless of my situation. You will someday go have a beer with him n talk it over”
That. Was my only instruction needed. Empowerment to forgive. Powerful indeed, very wise.
Same thing with evil globalists: they are victims of evil, you could say demin-posessed. Their sad weakness is therefore to be pitied. As is their inevitable failure, even if it takes decades of suffering. 🙏🏽🇨🇦🌎
We do have choice, still, remember? There’s a subtle but crucial difference between justice and vengeance. We best avoid becoming that which we intend to avoid.
Of course here in the UK many of the pro-vaxxers were also EU Remainers and they assumed all anti-vaxxers were Brexiteers. So a double amount of hatred and fury was thrown around. Personally, I despise the jabbed because none of them bothered to look into what they were being told to take, none of them questioned the lockdowns or masks or any of that nonsense. Most of them screamed abuse at me without wanting to hear what I had to say. Most of them are now suffering repeat covid infections and myriad other illnesses and still refuse to do any investigating into why. The all now know the jabs are dodgy but they like to tell me it's "the other jabs," not the ones they took that are the problem. May they all rot in hell!
The clot shots and globalization go hand in hand; the most pro-vaxx / pro-mandates zealots tending to be cosmopolitan, urban liberals from the ranks of the intellectual (petite) bourgeoisie. Nothing says 'I love open borders' (and technocratic 'Science') than letting oneself be injected with the latest experimental thing. Call it an "upgrade". To top things off, these degenerates got to flaunt their alleged 'virtue' via an app on their phones (health pass), while sneering at those — maligned as "anti-vaxx" — who chose to protect their body integrity, instead. It doesn't get any sweeter than that [ save for the bitter punchline, of course ].
Yes, whatever the MSM dictates. I use that word because humans become automatons before their TV sets being programmed by the programs. That is, when the alternative wisdom fails to look like soundbites and candy. Good comfortable times have indeed created weak people. How helpless western society has become, bowing to the evil god of government.
We all need to protest and refuse jab ID's. and use cash every day instead of credit. This is excellent advise. I know it is not as convenient, but we can do it. This was good advise from Catherine Austin Fitz.
My own circle would refute your assumptions. Very conservative 'deeply' religious people turned out to be mad covidians. There's not a typical covidian. It can be from any kind of group because the category comes from other traits not primarily from political ideologies.
In his interview with Dr. Drew, Dr. Mark McDonald pointed out that evangelical Christians overwhelmingly (70%+) rejected this jab.
(While I am not one of them, I applaud them.)
I think you are correct in that political leanings don't indicate behavior here. (Looking back at those who resisted the Nazis, it was a pretty eclectic group.)
But this was unique in that millions of people were suddenly faced with their mortality, and I cannot imagine 70% of self-described atheists or agnostics refusing this shot.
That's interesting. Most church leaders here supported it in NZ and accepted the vax pass as a condition of entry to church. The biggest evangelical church in my area became a vax centre. The vax was not accepted by some members but hard to tell what the numbers were. Im Catholic and my impression was that it was traditional Latin mass groups which while not rejecting the jab( one honourable exception) remained open to all as best they could. These are the groups the pope is not keen on.
Religious people, as you can see, are as divided as any group we care to consider. In the case of believers, and i am one despite doing less of it “ religiously” , 2camps exist. Followers of dogma, therefore prone to be led by the wind direction( or MSM/government out of weakness) Or, self-appointed thinkers deciding for themselves the relationship with their Creator. Out of strength. The abyss between them dwarfs the Red Sea.
"Followers of dogma, therefore prone to be led by the wind direction( or MSM/government out of weakness) Or, self-appointed thinkers deciding for themselves the relationship with their Creator. Out of strength."
But I'm not even sure this is correct.
The Amish haven't gotten these shots, nor the Orthodox Jews. Add the evangelical Christians to the mix and I think these faiths, although disparate, would probably be considered to be dogmatic (even if not as dogmatic as the "high church" Anglicanism, Christian Orthodox, or Catholicism). (In any case, they're certainly not "free thinkers" with regard to their beliefs.)
Yes, the 'liberals' who love house arrest and coercing medical treatment, the 'be kind' types who enjoy stopping others from going to the cinema or on holiday because they don't have a vaccine. Pack of twats.
This is a development I found eerie and didn't forsee at all - that the "Masks! Distance! Get vaccinated!"-crowd is, almost to a (wo)man, the same as the "there are a gazillion genders"-crowd, also the "OMG CLIMATE WE ARE GOING TO DIE"-crowd and, last but not least, the "Slava Ukraini"-crowd.
It kinda makes sense. They have lost their faith in Christianity as have most of the mainstream churches who continue their mission to the poor and the outcast by embracing climate change, so called refugees and queer theory etc. However the conviction of being right and on the side of good (God no more) remains. The Labour Party in NZ when founded had strong links to members of the Catholic church and what is now called social justice. This means we are the enemy
Yes, they know all the right slogans. One of them told me she had three reasons for concluding I was not quite all there: Trump, the vax, and Ukraine. PS You forgot Trump in the list, not that there's a total overlap with these things, but in general it's the same group.
what I can't stand is people vaccinating their kids. Or the people who were triple or quadruple vaxxed and still got it and are all for every 2 months vaxxed! How stupid! I got the first 2 (sorry that I did) but no more and I didn't get a flu jab either this year, first time in many years
Shame on you Gwen ,trying to kill your ganmaa that way .You better catch up on all your boosters ,so Grannymom can live .The two shots you got only help her survive for two weeks .Afte that you are a granny killer .
I had pretty much the same experience but my friends still can't do the math even if they're having weird symptoms, getting cancer, feeling ill. One friend in Edinburgh thinks she's sick and that they're trying to kill her because of many different jabs.
Speaking of friends unable to do the math, here is another small anecdote. This past summer, I was invited to dinner with a couple male friends and their wives. The discussion turned to an incident that happened at a swim competition, the day before, in which one swimmer had a pulmonary embolism and nearly lost his life, by the finish line. My competitor friend — a firm believer in "Science" when it came to the jabs — was still reeling from the sight of the gasping swimmer, the ambulance, etc., and wondered out loud how this could happen to someone so fit, as this had never happened in years prior. He was genuinely perplexed. A momentary silence followed. Being the only unvaxxed in the group, I didn't say anything, not wanting to get roasted and having to defend myself [ one of the wives being a notorious, neurotic shrew — Democrat, naturally ], but I nevertheless relished the irony of being the only one who knew the likely answer ( in fact, I had anticipated such an incident was likely to happen BEFORE the swim meet, and was expecting it; call me psychic ). The denial in the group, in that moment, was so thick you could cut it with a knife! ☺
You can tell one is dealing with an ideological spell, when it creates an invisible wall in the fabric of our perceptions, such that believers have to painstakingly work around without acknowledging its existence. The proverbial elephant in the room — or monster.
I guess it didn't hit close enough to home. I had a friend I would talk to every week about what's going on. Nothing fazed her. She kept drinking the koolaid, so to speak. Then one day I said that she needed to think about her family's health. No more boosters for her. Everyone has that phrase that will hit home and cut through the defense.
Well, I broached the subject in a roundabout way, with my swimmer friend, but didn't want to jeopardize the friendship by being too brutal. Especially considering he, his wife, and their two kids, had gotten jabbed and boosted already. The damage was done.
It's a tricky business. With some people I have not said a single word. With others I've been quite rough to stop them getting more shots. It's a judgment call. Good for you in how you handled the conversation with your friend.
I think my friend knows, by now, there is something wrong with the jabs, but like most Canadians, the pressure they faced, to comply with the mandates, at the time, was tremendous. I suspect he's mostly angry at having given in. Not worth rubbing his nose in it, with what amounts to a reduced life expectancy sentence, for him and his loved ones. So sad.
Yeah, it depends on the person, and situation. Though, generally, I believe it's best to say nothing, unless one REALLY cares about the person, and he or she has not staked their pride — "face" — on their mistaken pro-vaxx beliefs ( "team vaxx" ).
I'd suggest that one aspect of the "discriminatory" hatred expressed toward we unvaccinated individuals is a form of jealousy of our stronger self-preservation instinct and our higher intelligence.
I agree with this- one particular doctor of mine (who didn’t treat patients for over a year due to his fear of covid- do not get me started on that concept of a doctor being so fearful they lay to the side their obligation to treat their patients (akin to a firefighter first testing the heat temperature in a house fire to see if it is safe to enter to do their job))... he was so absolutely furious with discovering I was still unvaccinated- he was livid that there was a chance, just a mere smidgen of a cchance that I could be a wee bit smarter than him. It was this relentless hubris that made him so furious.
Charlotte -- My husband's cardiologist went so far as to LECTURE him, calling him "selfish" for declining to be injected with a covid shot. My husband simply said nothing, leaving the doctor at wit's end.
Yeah, there are a lot of arrogant people out there, in a wide variety of professions. But somehow, hyper-arrogant people seem to be very much overrepresented in the field of medicine. I avoid doctors whenever possible.
They are sadly indoctrinated in a cult mentality - a few escape - we are fortunate to have those few speak out & write books & substacks & videos & symposiums, etc
Gotta love anyone who dares to question, be skeptical, seeks truth!
We haven't seen even the beginning of the end of this.
When this thing passes (and it will), how do we even begin to repair these relationships? (Your doctor will forever know that at the end of the day, his pedigree didn't mean he was smarter than you.)
Forget about relationships among family and friends; these will be difficult enough to mend.
How does an unjabbed employee work for his or her jabbed boss, as both of them know who really saw this one and called it correctly?
Restaurants in my town ~voluntarily~ decided that the unvaccinated should be shunned -- if I wanted to get food in my own tiny town I had to order "to go" from a separate "window" in the back and then eat in the alley by the garbage or take it back to my dirty pestilent hovel. Obviously I'm still mad about it. And these are the Black Lives Matter people, too. The "I Believe in Love" assholes. Do they think that the slave-owners didn't also have Very Good Reasons for keeping slaves? It was better for the slaves to be slaves, they said. Safer for them. Now they can be ~Christians~. Better for the slave kids too than "running wild." There was also SCIENCE that said slaves had smaller brains, or misshapen skulls or whatever and also MEDICINE that said that slaves that wanted to run-away had a "mental disorder." And EXPERTS that said slavery was fine because weren't there slaves in the Bible? As you say, I will despise these idiotic dangerous morons for the rest of my life.
Point WELL taken. I agree 100%! I believe in self preservation. But, I also never, ever will allow myself to be a cruel, inhumane human being as some of the jabbed people. I’m sure that most people here understand what I mean. I look at them (not all) with sorrow and pity. Many are fearful fools that put their faith in man, not God.
It cannot possibly be snow, we all know that cold and snow are a thing of the past. I’m also pretty sure that agw fanatics share the discriminatory attitudes of the vaccinated.
huge amount of overlap among the climate freaks and the hypervaccinated, though interestingly this comes apart at the extremes. i had a few hardcore antifa vaxx sceptics who followed me on twitter for a while.
I know a number of people who abandoned belief in climate change as a serious issue after they became informed about the craziness of lockdowns/jabs, especially as they understood the government/media censorship complex.
For me, the reasoning is this: You're telling me lockdowns and zero covid are a good idea AND that sex is assigned at birth (and there are more than two) - AND now you want me to trust you on climate change?
That would be me. Not sure I completely abandoned belief (there's that conflation with religion again), but I'm withholding judgment pending further information.
I'm fairly confident that climate is changing (I mean, those icecaps *are* melting), but when they throw specific predictions at me, I don't take them that seriously. It's all based on modeling. We saw how well that worked out. Look, I don't know, maybe it'll be even worse than the modelers say. Or maybe nowhere near as bad. I consider myself newly agnostic on that one.
You state my position better than me. These days, "climate change" is often used as shorthand to refer to human-caused climate change. But they are two different issues. And the modeled predictions should by all means be scrutinized and not taken as gospel.
yep can concur about the snow in bavaria. was a fun drive getting bread this morning.
the good part is that the paper bags your bread comes in can double as a paper bag for the vaxidiots to hyperventilate into once they remove their N95 mask from.the deadly bakery visit
On a bus tour though Germany I stood in awe outside a bakery in Bavaria admiring in the display window at least 125 different strudels .On the other side of the street there was the speck house with at least 100 different specks . I was tempted to buy one ,but was worried I may not be allowed into the air plain flying home because of the strong but delicious speck smell .
I have a classmate from grade school in Europe (female) was a typical lefty. But corona has turned her around 180 and now she questions everything, including climate change gospel. And she is more into the WEF-Schwab conspiracy stuff than I am.
It's been cold here in Northern Ireland too. Fortunately we still have a coal power station running here. Our politicians wanted to close it, but the general dysfunction of Northern Irish politics means they weren't able to. Some of them wanted to turn back shipments of Russian coal coming into our ports, but they also weren't able to get any traction for that due to the refusal of our largest Unionist party to form an executive and allow such decisions to be taken.
There's something to be said for living somewhere which has not had a functioning government for more than half the time since the current arrangements were established in 1998
There's nothing essential about government. The concept that some organization needs a monopoly an the use of violent coercion is what the self-help crowd calls a "limiting belief." ;)
The "limiting belief" is only the monopoly part. Violent coercion will take place whether there is a government or not. The problem with the assumption that government is non-essential is made very clear by the power vaccum that is created when functional governments disappear. This power vacuum is usually filled by power-hungry opportunists who are usually don't care about the best interests of those they rule. They become the defacto government. If men were angels there would be no need for laws, and there would be no need for a government to enforce the laws. Specialization is the hallmark of every civilized society so SOMEONE must be given the authority to enforce the law - unless you think it's Grandma's job to protect her own house against home invaders. Government is at best a nessisary evil that should be treated like a vicious guard dog. When it fails to obey it's masters or attempts to bite them, it should be put down.
Has anyone ever studied people who follow orders/like to discrimate against anyone not beleiving what they beleive to see if they perhaps never advanced past high school cliques and emotions?
I seriously beleive most people get stuck in their teen-age years, and never develop past that.
Stanley Milgram's experiments showed that almost everyone would follow orders. In my experience intelligence, degrees, and success in the workplace have absolutely no correlation to people being correct, but are correlated with people refusing to be wrong. I had very educated, successful, and otherwise quite kind friends across the political spectrum to became quite hostile to the unvaxed. I was very surprised to see how quickly a heavily discriminated against outgroup could form, and am glad proper research is being done, published, and discussed.
"The Asch conformity experiments were a series of psychological experiments conducted by Solomon Asch in the 1950s. The experiments revealed the degree to which a person's own opinions are influenced by those of a group. Asch found that people were willing to ignore reality and give an incorrect answer in order to conform to the rest of the group."
That is very true. When I explain why I don't follow orders blindly, I usually say that I believe it is because I don't care much about what other people think about me. I care about what I feel is right or wrong.
Conformity is not related to intelligence, or its lack thereof, but more to the degree of desire to belong to the group.
My four friends are smart, and University educated. One with a PHD. I have read that if they have a PHD, they are totally mind controlled. LOL Not sure if that is totally true. I think that people have been mind controlled minute by minute with all the med commercials, and how their DR's are god like and can save you, when it is big pharma pushing everything. People are very reluctant to change their food, and they are equally reluctant to try naturopath remedies that have been studied with success by Andy Anderson, etc.
You ever worked the door or in the garderobe or behind the bar in a place catering to that crowd?
The women, 45+, newly divorced and maybe not for the first time, drunk. A whole pack of them, pouncing on men in their twenties, grabbing at their crotch and squawking "Lemme show you whaddan hexperienced girl can do!"
I've seen it. I've heard it. I've been subjected to it (long ago now).
There's a standing joke here about the hypocrisy inherent in modern feminist, liberal and the rest of the jargong-nomenklatura dictionary:
When swedish middle-aged or older men travel to Thailand and frequent brothels, they are reviled and villified in the press here. There have been attempts to write the law so that such men would face prison upon returning to Sweden.
When swedish women of the same age-brackets travel to Gambia for the same purpose, they are lauded as free-spirited emancipated modern women who takes good care of the little local boys they hire to "steppin fetchit" and other things.
Such hypocrisy is so rampant and endemic to swedish feminism, such women even have a term of their own: "Gambia-kärring". (Kärring means hag, harridan, garrulous crone, bitch, et c - unpleasant and wicked woman more or less.)
They say discrimination like it's a bad thing. It's a primary survival tactic. Those who don't discriminate are unlikely to survive long, without a benevolent protector. Which protector, though, is just saving him to eat later.
Vaxed people criticizing unvaxed people is also a defense mechanism. Initially it was based on ignorant fear that the unvaxed were a danger to them, so discrimination was rational. As the evidence became clear that the vax is instead a disadvantage, they became more critical as a way to cover up their own mistake, and became clearly irrational. Unresolved fears usually drive people mad. The best cure is to give them something tangible to fear -- us. Confront them, openly and aggressively. It's for their own good.
My discerning Dad encouraged me to embrace some diversity of discrimination - he kindly explained that the term & importance of certain types of discrimination was necessary in life. He, of course, was not referring to being discriminatory due to someone’s shade of skin or religious beliefs or non-beliefs, etc, but, personal choices in health, welfare, food, entertainment, etc.
I miss him & his discernment & dry wit. He had an engineers’ mind - wonderfully analytical & organized & fact-oriented.
The difference between constructive and destructive discrimination is whether there is rational basis. The problem for discrimination warriors is discrimination based on personal bias, not on anything rational. Skin color, for example, can be a rational basis, as Jesse Jackson famously described. Walking at night in an area known for black gangs, he saw a group of men approaching and was relieved to see they were white. Context matters.
I believe they were irrational from the beginning. If he vaccine worked, unvaccinated would not be a danger to a vaccinated person. I suspect that at some level, they suspected that the vaccine was not very effective, so they insisted in everybody taking it. That is herd mentality at its best.
It doesn't matter whether they work. We need to do something. Vaccines are something, so let's do them.
I don’t see the big deal with the nature paper. Everyone I know who discriminated against us was proud of it. I could see them reading this paper and concluding “damn we should have been even bigger assholes!”
That is a danger, yes indeed. That's what they're telling themselves here: they use the hashtag "ich habe mitgemacht" ("I participated") - to show they are proud of having participated in the whole isolating - shunning - discriminating against the unvaccinated - thing.
I don't know how familiar you are with German twitter - critics of covid management have been collecting quotes from public figures during the pandemic and sharing them on twitter (e.g. "the unvaccinated are vermin within the community"/"Sozialschädlinge" - Rainer Stinner, former liberal MP).
So there is a LIST the length of several arms of similar quotes, and even the blind and deaf should be able to realize how indecent and shocking they are.
And still, there's the ich habe mitgemacht and proud of it crowd. Deep in denial, I think.
Yes, but I don't think that most are calculating ("If I write X, I will get job Y.") - they're really good at convincing themselves that they are the good guys. I am sure the guy who said he wanted all Germany to point their fingers at the unvaccinated is still convinced that he just wanted to protect the vulnerable and pressure the unvaccinated just the teensiest bit to make sure they were protected against covid.
If you want to read more of that crap, try #ichhabemitgemacht or #wirhabenmitgemacht on twitter.
NB: It's great that you are keeping your knowledge of foreign languages up to date - sadly, I'm not very good at that myself.
Possibly, although the majority of Romanians now think life was better under Ceaușescu (although most of them weren't born then, of course). As a people, they're the most cynical and disillusioned in government I've come across, as evidenced by Romania having the second-lowest vaxx rate in Europe (after Bulgaria).
"Cynical and disillusioned in government" - and yearning for a return to the Ceausescu regime. That tells you what a clownshow the EU Elite method of government is. Ceausescu may have been a brutal dictator, but at least he earned some respect.
Homogenous culture + solid sense of national pride ( based on your empire from not so long ago) + absence of any large-scale guilt trip burdening (not sure if this is the case? Are Hungarians taught in schools that they were big baddies in WWII or before that?).
My sense is that a healthy dose of nationalism and group-belonging will be prevantative against people seeking new tribes and falling for the hateful vax-scientific-liberal fanaticism.
I did not preserve mine. I lost decades of maturity. Now I'm barely out of my teens. I hate it. So much work to do to just appear normal. I fought this battle once already and feel tired just thinking of the road ahead.:)))
Re the "I Fucking Love Science faithful" - we all know it, but never ceases to amuse me how this enlightened crowd never misses any opportunity to virtue signal their love and support of tolerance, diversity, liberal values, open mindedness, in addition to their love of reason and science. Yet their minds and hearts, and their real actions, could not be further removed from those values. Nowdays when I see someone wave the flags of 'tolerance and acceptance' I run fast in the opposite direction.
Alas, I agree. By now, whenever someone proclaims to be "tolerant," I assume the person is a bigot until proven otherwise. Doubly so it the person in question is also "loving" and "accepting."
Helpful but alas "discrimination is wrong" is just one more of a hundred progressive "principles" that only really applies when it harms THEM. It's all really just friend/enemy distinctions.
sure, but I think as a rule that it's important to highlight the mushrooming illiberalisms that liberalism gives rise to. it makes them uncomfortable if nothing else.
"Except for the presence of negative affect" I wonder if hateful glares are dangerous to the heroic immunocompromised population? I see the potential for an exciting new array of stochastic terrorism laws.
It didn't exist as a thing prior to 2021. If race is a social construct, then surely the groups into which we have divided the population in the last 3 years are too.
This paper is massively out of date. This is from, what, February of this year? That's a whole ten months of the information being out there that the jabs are - have always been known to be - dangerous. That they are not in any way safe, or in any way effective; that they have driven variants and caused illness in those who have taken them, not just covid-related but they have driven super-cancers and the most appalling and horrific illnesses. There's no discrimination now against the unjabbed; just admiration that they - we - stood our ground against massive odds.
the paper was just accepted and published, but was written in february.
realistically - and i speak as someone who is around the hypervaccinated literally every day - they're aware of none of this. they have a sneaking suspicion the vaxx aren't as safe as they're made out to be, but other than that, they'd reject everything you write, and sincerely. they don't admire the unvaccinated, but they're slightly embarrassed about the intemperate illiberal freakout they had last year.
Nietzsche says that what people really love is cruelty. The antivaxxer hate campaigns gave them license. And they took it.
My current twitter bio has the first sentence of this quote. I started thinking about this a lot since 2020 (and finding the Eugyppius substack)
"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
Food for thought and prob very true
Who is the source of the quote?
It's Huxley.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/95413-the-surest-way-to-work-up-a-crusade-in-favor
So many of the vaccinated have defended, and continue to defend the "vaccines" with such fervor and certainty that now, I confess, I feel ambivalent watching them collapse like felled trees on soccer fields, train platforms and newscasts, etc. I don't really intend to be cruel about it, but it's certainly cruel for government agencies and their media enablers to dispassionately watch this disaster unfolding while continuing with their "safe and effective" mantra.
As long as they say publicly that the injections stop trans mission and infection, may these liars all burn for it. I ask them to show me the science that supports that assertion today. They will appeal to some authority and I will look at them with that same stupid look like, you know every still got it right? I also have lots of masks and love asking people to wear them at places that I hate but have to go because of the kids. I hand masks to the mask nazi in my neighbourhood now when they show up without one. Even thought I am not wearing one. F Them, I will not forget. Yes I will make it uncomfortable.
Well said! I see it is a crime against humanity knowingly continuing on with this charade of safe and effective.
He also discussed obsession with sickness, I think. I read him decades ago. I've thought about going back and seeing if anything he wrote is especially relevant to our current crisis.
Even ag the Vaxxx skeptical or Vaxxx hesitant - there is no defection allowed from the great, mighty, & ultra-“science” Bigg Harm”ass” Vaxxx “industry” ... oopps, I mean “Oz” !
Reading Ben Franklin’s essay on Native American (who he ineptly terms ‘savages’) tribes he encountered was very illuminating. Much of what many early European explorers to North America and Hispañola wrote of the Native societies they interacted with contradict Nietzche’s conclusions about human nature. though some of his insights on highly hierarchical, Christianized industrial societies were sometimes clever. Aren’t his assertions more indicative of humans transformed by the crucible of such cruel cultures, rather than those that allowed us to evolve to the apex of the food chain, which valued social bonds, respect and community over the accumulation of personal material wealth? Perhaps Christianity is based on an apocalyptic premise, because its inherently contradictory nature is unsustainable as a spiritual basis for humanity. We may not any longer live in a predominantly devout JudeoChristian culture as Nietzche did, but it could be argued that we live in the aftermath of its structure. Particularly interesting in many early accounts of the natives is the juxtaposition of how they treated the invading Europeans with how the Europeans treated not only the natives, but also each other.
I feel as though I should read Ben Franklin before commenting. Still, it is thought provoking towards seeing beyond the argument. Nice.
They ran with it. Too bad they didn't trip with their scissors.
Anyone know offhand in which work(?) can his discussion of cruelty be found?
Nietzsche once wrote it was his aim to say in ten sentences what others required a whole book to say.
Having been forced to read Nietzsche as an undergrad, I conclude he failed in this attempt.
Or: he succeeded. Compare and contrast with Hegel and Kant.
No one gives you a source. Here's one cribbed from a YT post.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (Oct. 15, 1844, Röcken, Lützen – Aug. 25, 1900, Weimar) "The Religious Mood" §55 Beyond Good and Evil (1886, tr. Helen Zimmern, 1906)
Thank you.
"In contrast, there is an absence of evidence that unvaccinated individuals display discriminatory attitudes towards vaccinated people"
Wait until studies on shedding start pouring in.
here is one person who more or less discriminates, but rather to the jabbers who discriminated ME first. Like the store that did not allow unjabbed without a mask - forget it ! I rather drive 25 miles to the next store. And 2 former friends who used to be at every party - they long to be invited again. May be at my funeral if they live that long.
I'm one of the people who does have a negative opinion of the vaxxed, like how could they care so little about their health not to do their own research or ask me what I thought (because they knew I wasn't taking it), at the very least just for perspective. I have not forgotten the restaurants that went along with the mandates. I mostly eat at places that only put a sign up at the very end of the passport's lifetime.
This reminds me of my landlady, when I naively confided, early in the pandemic, that I didn't want to get the jab. She replied, diplomatically, that I belonged to "the other side". This came as a bit of a shock, as I had no idea I belonged to "a side" until she said it; to my mind, I was merely expressing a personal, reasoned, choice. Unsurprisingly, my landlady watches mainstream media daily, and I don't, so I didn't get the message I was to be tagged as a socially-dangerous unvaxxed untermensch, until relatively late in the game. In hindsight, being made to belong to "a side" was the first step in the othering and discrimination to follow. I am laughing now, though.
haven't been to restaurant in years ! A small circle of good cooks take turns and we dine together! Cheap, good company and totally at ease because we are home.
I would have loved to have this option, but almost everyone went MIA this winter, as well as last winter and this past summer. Then I moved...:)
I did not move, but I dumped all the so called friends and found some new ones !
I tried that but even the meet up groups left town, and those 200 miles away were all online. That's how desperate I was. No one was around. Many weeks the only person I saw (apart from a work friend for coffee) was the guy in a jewelry store who waved at people walking by. I still can't believe it got this bad.
That is fascinating. Where did you move from and to? We think about it often since we live in Oregon.
From Boston to West Palm Beach, much of it because there were lots of condos in town and I didn't want a car.
Great idea!
I’m verbally armed and dangerous for the first person who apologizes for othering me. My planned response, with my wry smile: “You were being a good German.”
It's good to be prepared. I don't know what I'd say.
A kind response could be “We were ALL lied to.” But I’m not in a kind mood about this!
I would use that. Thanks. A lot of pride is involved for some people and your line would save face for them.
I understand Ingrid! I refused to wear a mask and I got into quite a few verbal arguments. After losing my job of 23 years, I wasn’t backing down! I had a couple real good ones-lol! REPRESENT!
Looking for a replacement for Natural Grocer.
Ok, well... yes i do discriminate, but in the way i chose my lifemate, or a car or whatever. And yes i do avoid contact with the superjabbed family, its just for the better. But i never bother to speak of it. Let them figure it out, let some figure i just dont find that very obnoxious trans kid fun to be around. It’s my Christmas too.
Silence is usually the best policy, I agree, since it's never been about facts, but faith and conformity. Let those who worship at the altar of St. Fauci and his miracle cure, do so. They're not salvable, nor do they want to. Never wake a sleepwalker.
Did we ever have to wait for shedding studies? We knew at the Pfizer trial protocols so long ago. It’s the very last thing 'they' want us to know - the ultimate despair - because then the whole charade collapses. At least now we have the phenomenon of un-vaxxed blood banks and can glare at the sad zombies with a renewed sense of selfish optimism.
I think they knew there would be shedding, I think they were gleeful about it.
I didn’t know there are any un-vaxxed blood banks?
I think some are trying to start one in Enid Ok
I second your comment! I currently take many supplements to hopefully combat that.
Read Sunday's "Science News". The shedding makes me want to corral them all into steel containment buildings. I was not afraid of C-19 but I am fearful of the mRNA vaccine. This may be our new Civil War.
(And I thought that it would be about equity).
It is about life and death, not preference or opinion.
Yep. Here is the link:
https://open.substack.com/pub/sciencenews22/p/mrna-transfers-from-vaccinated-to?r=165864&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
In a recent podcast, McCullough recommended 1 to 3 months 'quarantine' ( unvaxed staying away ) from newly jabbed. Here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/sagehana/p/laser-pointer-601-addendum-dr-peter?r=165864&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
another doc advized at least the first 2 or 3 weeks, when the shedding is worst. It is impossible to avoid them completely because of cashiers, hair dresssers and the like, but we can do our best!
One person wrote that she was living with several family members while they were getting mRNA vaccines and boosters, unintentionally staggering them for months. The Author, a very healthy and unvaccinated woman, ended up having a stroke.
We now have a world filled with Mr. and Mrs. Magoos. Their careless unawares cause much harm to many. Then there are the predators. They will harm everyone as best they can. I wish that we could see halos and auras better so we could identify our brethren alongside those who mean us no harm. Any suggestions?
it would be good if they gave off light or auras or so, but I don't think they do ! Trying to keep up with who has been jabbed, is all you can do I think. So far I have only been nauseated with one jabber and it is now many months since she last had one (stopped after the third, I think in march). An old lady had a fourth, but with her I seem to have no problems. Most others I frequent stopped after 2 I think. Hopefully it wears off. It is concerning though, to hear about people who get real sick from their jabbed family or like some babies, have the spike from their mother's milk !
same here. being sick now and then is part of life. but now we deal with sick from human made shedding non-vaccines. Staying away as best as I can from the jabbed ones, specially the recently jabbed ones.
Study shows vaccine lipids are permanent. Detectable through perspiration, lactating.....That is the shedding.
They may win. I am at some point going to become beyond consoling at our losses.
Be gentle to yourself; you are not alone. So much of humanity applauds you and prays for you. Loss and grief are becoming so much more our lot than we think we can bear, yet we are never given a cross so heavy that we cannot.Yes, They may think they win. Let them. Justice and punishment belong with God. You have already won whatever battle is waged before and through you. This material world, this corrodable testing ground, will have had its purpose, and when we dispense of it, we are free.🙏🏽
In reading your reply again, I find your empathic familiarity with the future to be comforting.
I wonder if you recognize these traits in yourself? Thank you again for your thoughtful response.
Thankyou for your interest. Anyone having forgiven a dad for his imperfection will get the sense of freedom that comes with letting God be the wise judge and administrator of punishment where He sees fit. When i seek vengeance over earthly justice, i fail. And my Being is diminished; i feel it. Mom said to us: “ he’s still your father regardless of my situation. You will someday go have a beer with him n talk it over”
That. Was my only instruction needed. Empowerment to forgive. Powerful indeed, very wise.
Same thing with evil globalists: they are victims of evil, you could say demin-posessed. Their sad weakness is therefore to be pitied. As is their inevitable failure, even if it takes decades of suffering. 🙏🏽🇨🇦🌎
“Science News”…very interesting!
Indeed!
And tainted blood donor recipients.
Has anyone on substack looked further into the shedding? Can we nudge Brian Mowrey or Modern Discontent to look or Igor chudov?
We do have choice, still, remember? There’s a subtle but crucial difference between justice and vengeance. We best avoid becoming that which we intend to avoid.
Harder than I ever imagined.
Of course here in the UK many of the pro-vaxxers were also EU Remainers and they assumed all anti-vaxxers were Brexiteers. So a double amount of hatred and fury was thrown around. Personally, I despise the jabbed because none of them bothered to look into what they were being told to take, none of them questioned the lockdowns or masks or any of that nonsense. Most of them screamed abuse at me without wanting to hear what I had to say. Most of them are now suffering repeat covid infections and myriad other illnesses and still refuse to do any investigating into why. The all now know the jabs are dodgy but they like to tell me it's "the other jabs," not the ones they took that are the problem. May they all rot in hell!
The clot shots and globalization go hand in hand; the most pro-vaxx / pro-mandates zealots tending to be cosmopolitan, urban liberals from the ranks of the intellectual (petite) bourgeoisie. Nothing says 'I love open borders' (and technocratic 'Science') than letting oneself be injected with the latest experimental thing. Call it an "upgrade". To top things off, these degenerates got to flaunt their alleged 'virtue' via an app on their phones (health pass), while sneering at those — maligned as "anti-vaxx" — who chose to protect their body integrity, instead. It doesn't get any sweeter than that [ save for the bitter punchline, of course ].
In his interview with Naomi Wolf, Dr. Peter Breggin stated that progressivism is a religion for the Left.
As the Catholic philosopher GK Chesterton pointed out, when men no longer believe in God they don't believe in nothing; they will believe anything.
Not anything - everything but what was thought to be good by the previous religion(s), such as culture or family, personal restraint, discipline etc.
Yes, whatever the MSM dictates. I use that word because humans become automatons before their TV sets being programmed by the programs. That is, when the alternative wisdom fails to look like soundbites and candy. Good comfortable times have indeed created weak people. How helpless western society has become, bowing to the evil god of government.
This flag 🇨🇦 is upside down.
We all need to protest and refuse jab ID's. and use cash every day instead of credit. This is excellent advise. I know it is not as convenient, but we can do it. This was good advise from Catherine Austin Fitz.
CASH FRIDAYS! The more I use cash (always did), the more I like it! And the government doesn’t see what I chose to spend MY MONEY on. 🖕
My own circle would refute your assumptions. Very conservative 'deeply' religious people turned out to be mad covidians. There's not a typical covidian. It can be from any kind of group because the category comes from other traits not primarily from political ideologies.
In his interview with Dr. Drew, Dr. Mark McDonald pointed out that evangelical Christians overwhelmingly (70%+) rejected this jab.
(While I am not one of them, I applaud them.)
I think you are correct in that political leanings don't indicate behavior here. (Looking back at those who resisted the Nazis, it was a pretty eclectic group.)
But this was unique in that millions of people were suddenly faced with their mortality, and I cannot imagine 70% of self-described atheists or agnostics refusing this shot.
That's interesting. Most church leaders here supported it in NZ and accepted the vax pass as a condition of entry to church. The biggest evangelical church in my area became a vax centre. The vax was not accepted by some members but hard to tell what the numbers were. Im Catholic and my impression was that it was traditional Latin mass groups which while not rejecting the jab( one honourable exception) remained open to all as best they could. These are the groups the pope is not keen on.
Religious people, as you can see, are as divided as any group we care to consider. In the case of believers, and i am one despite doing less of it “ religiously” , 2camps exist. Followers of dogma, therefore prone to be led by the wind direction( or MSM/government out of weakness) Or, self-appointed thinkers deciding for themselves the relationship with their Creator. Out of strength. The abyss between them dwarfs the Red Sea.
"Followers of dogma, therefore prone to be led by the wind direction( or MSM/government out of weakness) Or, self-appointed thinkers deciding for themselves the relationship with their Creator. Out of strength."
But I'm not even sure this is correct.
The Amish haven't gotten these shots, nor the Orthodox Jews. Add the evangelical Christians to the mix and I think these faiths, although disparate, would probably be considered to be dogmatic (even if not as dogmatic as the "high church" Anglicanism, Christian Orthodox, or Catholicism). (In any case, they're certainly not "free thinkers" with regard to their beliefs.)
The entire interview is worth listening to but if you are pressed for time, the bit from 31:53 to 34:00 is a must-hear. https://rumble.com/v1l3u6b-mass-formation-psychosis-how-the-pandemic-weaponized-fear-w-dr.-mark-mcdona.html
Very true and succinctly put too.
25 years ago, a friend and I developed the following hypothetical principle based on causal observation of students:
[The logical pinnacle of expressing freedom is to voluntary and publicly become a slave.]
I have yet to see it disproven, empirically.
Yes, the 'liberals' who love house arrest and coercing medical treatment, the 'be kind' types who enjoy stopping others from going to the cinema or on holiday because they don't have a vaccine. Pack of twats.
This is a development I found eerie and didn't forsee at all - that the "Masks! Distance! Get vaccinated!"-crowd is, almost to a (wo)man, the same as the "there are a gazillion genders"-crowd, also the "OMG CLIMATE WE ARE GOING TO DIE"-crowd and, last but not least, the "Slava Ukraini"-crowd.
It kinda makes sense. They have lost their faith in Christianity as have most of the mainstream churches who continue their mission to the poor and the outcast by embracing climate change, so called refugees and queer theory etc. However the conviction of being right and on the side of good (God no more) remains. The Labour Party in NZ when founded had strong links to members of the Catholic church and what is now called social justice. This means we are the enemy
Yes, they know all the right slogans. One of them told me she had three reasons for concluding I was not quite all there: Trump, the vax, and Ukraine. PS You forgot Trump in the list, not that there's a total overlap with these things, but in general it's the same group.
I’m not for or against Trump. But, now we can see that he was right about A LOT! The nefarious doings of Twatter reveal these bastard’s intent.
Drama Queens, all.
what I can't stand is people vaccinating their kids. Or the people who were triple or quadruple vaxxed and still got it and are all for every 2 months vaxxed! How stupid! I got the first 2 (sorry that I did) but no more and I didn't get a flu jab either this year, first time in many years
Shame on you Gwen ,trying to kill your ganmaa that way .You better catch up on all your boosters ,so Grannymom can live .The two shots you got only help her survive for two weeks .Afte that you are a granny killer .
I don't think it's necessary to wish for another's damnation, particularly since, in this case, their lives are about to become quite difficult.
It would be amazing if we could at least see some of their hubris diminish & sorrow over their lack of knowledge & understanding
I had pretty much the same experience but my friends still can't do the math even if they're having weird symptoms, getting cancer, feeling ill. One friend in Edinburgh thinks she's sick and that they're trying to kill her because of many different jabs.
Speaking of friends unable to do the math, here is another small anecdote. This past summer, I was invited to dinner with a couple male friends and their wives. The discussion turned to an incident that happened at a swim competition, the day before, in which one swimmer had a pulmonary embolism and nearly lost his life, by the finish line. My competitor friend — a firm believer in "Science" when it came to the jabs — was still reeling from the sight of the gasping swimmer, the ambulance, etc., and wondered out loud how this could happen to someone so fit, as this had never happened in years prior. He was genuinely perplexed. A momentary silence followed. Being the only unvaxxed in the group, I didn't say anything, not wanting to get roasted and having to defend myself [ one of the wives being a notorious, neurotic shrew — Democrat, naturally ], but I nevertheless relished the irony of being the only one who knew the likely answer ( in fact, I had anticipated such an incident was likely to happen BEFORE the swim meet, and was expecting it; call me psychic ). The denial in the group, in that moment, was so thick you could cut it with a knife! ☺
You can tell one is dealing with an ideological spell, when it creates an invisible wall in the fabric of our perceptions, such that believers have to painstakingly work around without acknowledging its existence. The proverbial elephant in the room — or monster.
I guess it didn't hit close enough to home. I had a friend I would talk to every week about what's going on. Nothing fazed her. She kept drinking the koolaid, so to speak. Then one day I said that she needed to think about her family's health. No more boosters for her. Everyone has that phrase that will hit home and cut through the defense.
Well, I broached the subject in a roundabout way, with my swimmer friend, but didn't want to jeopardize the friendship by being too brutal. Especially considering he, his wife, and their two kids, had gotten jabbed and boosted already. The damage was done.
It's a tricky business. With some people I have not said a single word. With others I've been quite rough to stop them getting more shots. It's a judgment call. Good for you in how you handled the conversation with your friend.
I think my friend knows, by now, there is something wrong with the jabs, but like most Canadians, the pressure they faced, to comply with the mandates, at the time, was tremendous. I suspect he's mostly angry at having given in. Not worth rubbing his nose in it, with what amounts to a reduced life expectancy sentence, for him and his loved ones. So sad.
Yeah, it depends on the person, and situation. Though, generally, I believe it's best to say nothing, unless one REALLY cares about the person, and he or she has not staked their pride — "face" — on their mistaken pro-vaxx beliefs ( "team vaxx" ).
At last! A sentiment that I can share without reservation.
I'd suggest that one aspect of the "discriminatory" hatred expressed toward we unvaccinated individuals is a form of jealousy of our stronger self-preservation instinct and our higher intelligence.
I agree with this- one particular doctor of mine (who didn’t treat patients for over a year due to his fear of covid- do not get me started on that concept of a doctor being so fearful they lay to the side their obligation to treat their patients (akin to a firefighter first testing the heat temperature in a house fire to see if it is safe to enter to do their job))... he was so absolutely furious with discovering I was still unvaccinated- he was livid that there was a chance, just a mere smidgen of a cchance that I could be a wee bit smarter than him. It was this relentless hubris that made him so furious.
Charlotte -- My husband's cardiologist went so far as to LECTURE him, calling him "selfish" for declining to be injected with a covid shot. My husband simply said nothing, leaving the doctor at wit's end.
Yeah, there are a lot of arrogant people out there, in a wide variety of professions. But somehow, hyper-arrogant people seem to be very much overrepresented in the field of medicine. I avoid doctors whenever possible.
They are sadly indoctrinated in a cult mentality - a few escape - we are fortunate to have those few speak out & write books & substacks & videos & symposiums, etc
Gotta love anyone who dares to question, be skeptical, seeks truth!
We haven't seen even the beginning of the end of this.
When this thing passes (and it will), how do we even begin to repair these relationships? (Your doctor will forever know that at the end of the day, his pedigree didn't mean he was smarter than you.)
Forget about relationships among family and friends; these will be difficult enough to mend.
How does an unjabbed employee work for his or her jabbed boss, as both of them know who really saw this one and called it correctly?
I think they're simply furious that we haven't bended the knee.
And they will never admit it.
Restaurants in my town ~voluntarily~ decided that the unvaccinated should be shunned -- if I wanted to get food in my own tiny town I had to order "to go" from a separate "window" in the back and then eat in the alley by the garbage or take it back to my dirty pestilent hovel. Obviously I'm still mad about it. And these are the Black Lives Matter people, too. The "I Believe in Love" assholes. Do they think that the slave-owners didn't also have Very Good Reasons for keeping slaves? It was better for the slaves to be slaves, they said. Safer for them. Now they can be ~Christians~. Better for the slave kids too than "running wild." There was also SCIENCE that said slaves had smaller brains, or misshapen skulls or whatever and also MEDICINE that said that slaves that wanted to run-away had a "mental disorder." And EXPERTS that said slavery was fine because weren't there slaves in the Bible? As you say, I will despise these idiotic dangerous morons for the rest of my life.
Point WELL taken. I agree 100%! I believe in self preservation. But, I also never, ever will allow myself to be a cruel, inhumane human being as some of the jabbed people. I’m sure that most people here understand what I mean. I look at them (not all) with sorrow and pity. Many are fearful fools that put their faith in man, not God.
The shops here who kept on mask requirements after they were officially lifted - that's where I'm no longer spending money.
It cannot possibly be snow, we all know that cold and snow are a thing of the past. I’m also pretty sure that agw fanatics share the discriminatory attitudes of the vaccinated.
huge amount of overlap among the climate freaks and the hypervaccinated, though interestingly this comes apart at the extremes. i had a few hardcore antifa vaxx sceptics who followed me on twitter for a while.
I know a number of people who abandoned belief in climate change as a serious issue after they became informed about the craziness of lockdowns/jabs, especially as they understood the government/media censorship complex.
For me, the reasoning is this: You're telling me lockdowns and zero covid are a good idea AND that sex is assigned at birth (and there are more than two) - AND now you want me to trust you on climate change?
That would be me. Not sure I completely abandoned belief (there's that conflation with religion again), but I'm withholding judgment pending further information.
I'm fairly confident that climate is changing (I mean, those icecaps *are* melting), but when they throw specific predictions at me, I don't take them that seriously. It's all based on modeling. We saw how well that worked out. Look, I don't know, maybe it'll be even worse than the modelers say. Or maybe nowhere near as bad. I consider myself newly agnostic on that one.
You state my position better than me. These days, "climate change" is often used as shorthand to refer to human-caused climate change. But they are two different issues. And the modeled predictions should by all means be scrutinized and not taken as gospel.
yep can concur about the snow in bavaria. was a fun drive getting bread this morning.
the good part is that the paper bags your bread comes in can double as a paper bag for the vaxidiots to hyperventilate into once they remove their N95 mask from.the deadly bakery visit
Cube, don't take such risk ,going out in a snow storm to get bread .Was it ginger bread ?Next time stay home and wait till Santa brings it to you .
Dinkeltwist is worth the risk
On a bus tour though Germany I stood in awe outside a bakery in Bavaria admiring in the display window at least 125 different strudels .On the other side of the street there was the speck house with at least 100 different specks . I was tempted to buy one ,but was worried I may not be allowed into the air plain flying home because of the strong but delicious speck smell .
just eat it before you fly
Is Dinkeltwist a Bavarian Christmas bread ?
all year round baby
I have a classmate from grade school in Europe (female) was a typical lefty. But corona has turned her around 180 and now she questions everything, including climate change gospel. And she is more into the WEF-Schwab conspiracy stuff than I am.
I can't tell what's left and what's right anymore. Kinda like living on a Möbius strip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip).
Left and right don't mean anything.
It is, and always has been, authoritarian vs libertarian.
It's been cold here in Northern Ireland too. Fortunately we still have a coal power station running here. Our politicians wanted to close it, but the general dysfunction of Northern Irish politics means they weren't able to. Some of them wanted to turn back shipments of Russian coal coming into our ports, but they also weren't able to get any traction for that due to the refusal of our largest Unionist party to form an executive and allow such decisions to be taken.
There's something to be said for living somewhere which has not had a functioning government for more than half the time since the current arrangements were established in 1998
Ah, the wonders of governmental gridlick. Maybe every other decade we should shut government down except for essential functions.
There's nothing essential about government. The concept that some organization needs a monopoly an the use of violent coercion is what the self-help crowd calls a "limiting belief." ;)
The "limiting belief" is only the monopoly part. Violent coercion will take place whether there is a government or not. The problem with the assumption that government is non-essential is made very clear by the power vaccum that is created when functional governments disappear. This power vacuum is usually filled by power-hungry opportunists who are usually don't care about the best interests of those they rule. They become the defacto government. If men were angels there would be no need for laws, and there would be no need for a government to enforce the laws. Specialization is the hallmark of every civilized society so SOMEONE must be given the authority to enforce the law - unless you think it's Grandma's job to protect her own house against home invaders. Government is at best a nessisary evil that should be treated like a vicious guard dog. When it fails to obey it's masters or attempts to bite them, it should be put down.
Has anyone ever studied people who follow orders/like to discrimate against anyone not beleiving what they beleive to see if they perhaps never advanced past high school cliques and emotions?
I seriously beleive most people get stuck in their teen-age years, and never develop past that.
Stanley Milgram's experiments showed that almost everyone would follow orders. In my experience intelligence, degrees, and success in the workplace have absolutely no correlation to people being correct, but are correlated with people refusing to be wrong. I had very educated, successful, and otherwise quite kind friends across the political spectrum to became quite hostile to the unvaxed. I was very surprised to see how quickly a heavily discriminated against outgroup could form, and am glad proper research is being done, published, and discussed.
I would like to know what makes people follow orders? Do some of us have opposition defiance disorder?
Have you read about Solomon Asch's conformity experiments? https://www.scribd.com/doc/108643532/Studies-of-Independence-and-Conformity-I-A-Minority-of-One-Against-a-Unanimous-Majority
"The Asch conformity experiments were a series of psychological experiments conducted by Solomon Asch in the 1950s. The experiments revealed the degree to which a person's own opinions are influenced by those of a group. Asch found that people were willing to ignore reality and give an incorrect answer in order to conform to the rest of the group."
That is very true. When I explain why I don't follow orders blindly, I usually say that I believe it is because I don't care much about what other people think about me. I care about what I feel is right or wrong.
Conformity is not related to intelligence, or its lack thereof, but more to the degree of desire to belong to the group.
My four friends are smart, and University educated. One with a PHD. I have read that if they have a PHD, they are totally mind controlled. LOL Not sure if that is totally true. I think that people have been mind controlled minute by minute with all the med commercials, and how their DR's are god like and can save you, when it is big pharma pushing everything. People are very reluctant to change their food, and they are equally reluctant to try naturopath remedies that have been studied with success by Andy Anderson, etc.
I kind of have two families - one, educated professionals, all jabbers - the other, working class who at least question the whole business
That's been my theory as well. Emotionally stuck in their teenage years. Although I have met some stuck at even younger ages.
Perhaps college years now also
You ever worked the door or in the garderobe or behind the bar in a place catering to that crowd?
The women, 45+, newly divorced and maybe not for the first time, drunk. A whole pack of them, pouncing on men in their twenties, grabbing at their crotch and squawking "Lemme show you whaddan hexperienced girl can do!"
I've seen it. I've heard it. I've been subjected to it (long ago now).
Brrrr.
There's a standing joke here about the hypocrisy inherent in modern feminist, liberal and the rest of the jargong-nomenklatura dictionary:
When swedish middle-aged or older men travel to Thailand and frequent brothels, they are reviled and villified in the press here. There have been attempts to write the law so that such men would face prison upon returning to Sweden.
When swedish women of the same age-brackets travel to Gambia for the same purpose, they are lauded as free-spirited emancipated modern women who takes good care of the little local boys they hire to "steppin fetchit" and other things.
Such hypocrisy is so rampant and endemic to swedish feminism, such women even have a term of their own: "Gambia-kärring". (Kärring means hag, harridan, garrulous crone, bitch, et c - unpleasant and wicked woman more or less.)
Some of them also take in Afghan "refugees" to their home. Hopefully, eventually their house and bank accounts are emptied.
They do get reversed, but usually the women get paid.
They say discrimination like it's a bad thing. It's a primary survival tactic. Those who don't discriminate are unlikely to survive long, without a benevolent protector. Which protector, though, is just saving him to eat later.
Vaxed people criticizing unvaxed people is also a defense mechanism. Initially it was based on ignorant fear that the unvaxed were a danger to them, so discrimination was rational. As the evidence became clear that the vax is instead a disadvantage, they became more critical as a way to cover up their own mistake, and became clearly irrational. Unresolved fears usually drive people mad. The best cure is to give them something tangible to fear -- us. Confront them, openly and aggressively. It's for their own good.
My discerning Dad encouraged me to embrace some diversity of discrimination - he kindly explained that the term & importance of certain types of discrimination was necessary in life. He, of course, was not referring to being discriminatory due to someone’s shade of skin or religious beliefs or non-beliefs, etc, but, personal choices in health, welfare, food, entertainment, etc.
I miss him & his discernment & dry wit. He had an engineers’ mind - wonderfully analytical & organized & fact-oriented.
The difference between constructive and destructive discrimination is whether there is rational basis. The problem for discrimination warriors is discrimination based on personal bias, not on anything rational. Skin color, for example, can be a rational basis, as Jesse Jackson famously described. Walking at night in an area known for black gangs, he saw a group of men approaching and was relieved to see they were white. Context matters.
I believe they were irrational from the beginning. If he vaccine worked, unvaccinated would not be a danger to a vaccinated person. I suspect that at some level, they suspected that the vaccine was not very effective, so they insisted in everybody taking it. That is herd mentality at its best.
It doesn't matter whether they work. We need to do something. Vaccines are something, so let's do them.
Fear makes people irrational. Ignorance makes them fearful. Ignorance is epidemic these days.
I don’t see the big deal with the nature paper. Everyone I know who discriminated against us was proud of it. I could see them reading this paper and concluding “damn we should have been even bigger assholes!”
That is a danger, yes indeed. That's what they're telling themselves here: they use the hashtag "ich habe mitgemacht" ("I participated") - to show they are proud of having participated in the whole isolating - shunning - discriminating against the unvaccinated - thing.
I don't know how familiar you are with German twitter - critics of covid management have been collecting quotes from public figures during the pandemic and sharing them on twitter (e.g. "the unvaccinated are vermin within the community"/"Sozialschädlinge" - Rainer Stinner, former liberal MP).
So there is a LIST the length of several arms of similar quotes, and even the blind and deaf should be able to realize how indecent and shocking they are.
And still, there's the ich habe mitgemacht and proud of it crowd. Deep in denial, I think.
Yes, but I don't think that most are calculating ("If I write X, I will get job Y.") - they're really good at convincing themselves that they are the good guys. I am sure the guy who said he wanted all Germany to point their fingers at the unvaccinated is still convinced that he just wanted to protect the vulnerable and pressure the unvaccinated just the teensiest bit to make sure they were protected against covid.
If you want to read more of that crap, try #ichhabemitgemacht or #wirhabenmitgemacht on twitter.
NB: It's great that you are keeping your knowledge of foreign languages up to date - sadly, I'm not very good at that myself.
"We find evidence in support of discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated in all countries except Hungary" ❤️
How did us, as a society preserve our sanity? There's a story there.
Clearly Hungary is the only true liberal society in Europe
In fact: https://www.magyar.blog/p/on-liberalism-by-a-capital-liberal
And Romania. In fact Romanians were even less prejudiced against the unvaxxed.
Perhaps because of the Ceasescu regime ?
Possibly, although the majority of Romanians now think life was better under Ceaușescu (although most of them weren't born then, of course). As a people, they're the most cynical and disillusioned in government I've come across, as evidenced by Romania having the second-lowest vaxx rate in Europe (after Bulgaria).
"Cynical and disillusioned in government" - and yearning for a return to the Ceausescu regime. That tells you what a clownshow the EU Elite method of government is. Ceausescu may have been a brutal dictator, but at least he earned some respect.
I only know a handful of people of Romanian origin, but they all hate Ceausescu with a passion.
Very interesting
Homogenous culture + solid sense of national pride ( based on your empire from not so long ago) + absence of any large-scale guilt trip burdening (not sure if this is the case? Are Hungarians taught in schools that they were big baddies in WWII or before that?).
My sense is that a healthy dose of nationalism and group-belonging will be prevantative against people seeking new tribes and falling for the hateful vax-scientific-liberal fanaticism.
No, nowhere near as simple as that. This mold fits other countries even better.
There's a story. I have to think it through. I just have COVID glut (and other stuff to write).
Our cultural importer class failed to capitalize on the situation. It's a funny story.
I did not preserve mine. I lost decades of maturity. Now I'm barely out of my teens. I hate it. So much work to do to just appear normal. I fought this battle once already and feel tired just thinking of the road ahead.:)))
Re the "I Fucking Love Science faithful" - we all know it, but never ceases to amuse me how this enlightened crowd never misses any opportunity to virtue signal their love and support of tolerance, diversity, liberal values, open mindedness, in addition to their love of reason and science. Yet their minds and hearts, and their real actions, could not be further removed from those values. Nowdays when I see someone wave the flags of 'tolerance and acceptance' I run fast in the opposite direction.
Their is such a shameful abuse of language.
Alas, I agree. By now, whenever someone proclaims to be "tolerant," I assume the person is a bigot until proven otherwise. Doubly so it the person in question is also "loving" and "accepting."
In Spain we say: "tell me what you brag about, and I'll tell you what you lack."
This is one of the most useful methods I use to judge people. It always works.
Helpful but alas "discrimination is wrong" is just one more of a hundred progressive "principles" that only really applies when it harms THEM. It's all really just friend/enemy distinctions.
sure, but I think as a rule that it's important to highlight the mushrooming illiberalisms that liberalism gives rise to. it makes them uncomfortable if nothing else.
"Except for the presence of negative affect" I wonder if hateful glares are dangerous to the heroic immunocompromised population? I see the potential for an exciting new array of stochastic terrorism laws.
the immunocompromised population, which we hardly ever heard about at all, until 2021
Caring hadn't been invented yet.
It didn't exist as a thing prior to 2021. If race is a social construct, then surely the groups into which we have divided the population in the last 3 years are too.
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eugyppius: No; for decades that's been the rationale why everyone who can even barely tolerate it should get vaxxed against everything.
It'd be the gibbets for all of us then.
Absolutely beautiful:)
Thanks. Yes going to take a long time before the shakeout of this thing settles down. Then what?
This paper is massively out of date. This is from, what, February of this year? That's a whole ten months of the information being out there that the jabs are - have always been known to be - dangerous. That they are not in any way safe, or in any way effective; that they have driven variants and caused illness in those who have taken them, not just covid-related but they have driven super-cancers and the most appalling and horrific illnesses. There's no discrimination now against the unjabbed; just admiration that they - we - stood our ground against massive odds.
the paper was just accepted and published, but was written in february.
realistically - and i speak as someone who is around the hypervaccinated literally every day - they're aware of none of this. they have a sneaking suspicion the vaxx aren't as safe as they're made out to be, but other than that, they'd reject everything you write, and sincerely. they don't admire the unvaccinated, but they're slightly embarrassed about the intemperate illiberal freakout they had last year.
IF they are embarrassed at all.