Noted children’s book author Robert Habeck, who is somehow also the German Minister of the Economy, turns out to know very little about his job or the industries he proposes to regulate.
Certainly possible, but also a real gamble; the risk that they discredit Green policies for a generation or more and consign themselves to the political wilderness is very great.
I have a good German expat friend. He lives in the US now. Sadly, he isn't optimistic about his former compatriots, lamenting them as "so completely brainwashed". Even his own family, most of whom remain in Germany and view him as a pariah now. But he hasn't given in to despair, yet. Pray!
Many families are divided now. Everyone is being ignored, scolded or banned.
🙄🥺 :::sigh::: ask me how I know.
Hubbs and I are grateful to just have each other now. many others in our family and circle have become tiresome... and they do not like our opinions anyway
That is the great thing about the coming climate apocalypse, in which most people believe now in Germany, as it has been hammered into us for 20 years now:
Being poor, hungry, cold is ok, because the alternative is certain death in the fiery hellscape of 2050, which surely will come if we do not listen to Greta.
This of course is German myopia. They tend to act as if they are the most important people on earth, the crusaders for Gaia, and their sacrifice will save the planet. Of course the 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians, and the other 3.5 billion in developing countries, wonder who silly people are.
IMHO, in the 17th through the early part of the 20th century, Europe emptied itself of most of the malcontents - they went to America, Canada, Central and South America, etc. This left behind an even stronger culture of obedience to the power structure.
The adventurous, unobedient people left for the new world in the 18 and 19 century, were killed in the first world war, and either killed or fled in the second world war.
True - but the surety of the Climate movement is one to behold; where there is no greater conquest than that of CO2 reduction, and that every and all efforts made anywhere anytime can only be to that end, to prevent the annihilation of the world. I know people who are True Believers on climate and they feel real, true anxiety about it; their conviction is real and when posited with "are you willing to kill 1 billion people" they answer with "if I had to choose between than and 8bn"
You must to talking to evil leftist totalitarians. There is no other way to categorize them. Ask them to do the right thing and sacrifice themselves. It will be fun to see their shocked face.
So ironic that CO2 is vital for plant life, is about 0.04% of the total atmosphere, has contributed to record food production in recent decades plus increased overall greening of the earth (large parts of the Sahara in particular), is invisible with no smell, and humans expel about 40,000 ppm on an exhalation.
For too many humans it seems, they need to have an ''enemy'' to rally against and if there is nothing obvious, then hypothesize one up. The psychology is: fear of peace and a need/delight in conflict and excitement. Human nature in a nutshell.
I just made this exact same argument about world politics and the idiots who are pretending to govern us to my colleagues today. All these people do is reducing complicated issues to 1-dimensional knobs they can play with, expecting everything is just a simple matter of cause and effect. When confronted with 2nd order effects they just come up with more knobs to turn to solve those as well, creating even more chaos. Repeat ad nauseum.
It’s amazing how fast things are going downhill the last few years. I blame the continued political integration of EU countries, which has created a layer of regents that are oblivious to anything going on in the real world and are preoccupied by nothing other than living and acting out their power fantasies of a European super state.
30 years ago none of this would have happened, because there would never be enough retardedness spread around the governments of all individual European countries to normalize this level of idiocy and incompetence. Now it’s all normalized, in the name of ‘European unity and solidarity’, to ‘stand together for democracy’, to ‘form a bloc against other superpowers’ or whatever other stale platitudes they use to sell this garbage to us.
I’ve been thinking for a while that part of the issue is the dying off of the WW2 generation. My parents would tell vivid stories about being bombed out and hungry and cold. There is no one in current leadership positions who has direct experience of such kind.
As such our leaders only life experience is of things only ever getting better and better regardless of political actions. It’s no wonder they can’t conceive of causing anything truly bad.
But as Saul Alinsky once said: "the worse, the better". They may get voted out someday in Germany, or they may not, but they can use the emergency to impose totalitarian measures - and do so on an EU-Wide basis. Remember, the whole EU constitutional issue is still in flux. A true emergency in winter could allow a rush to EU Federalization and centralization of power in ways that are not wise and would never pass without an emergency.
It seems the risk is Sri Lanka. How far can you push the population before things really break. Tens or hundreds of thousands of starving and freezing people with absolutely nothing to lose...that’s the risk.
It’s a huge gamble with a significant payout. You lose and you collapse society and wind up on the end of a gun barrel or with your throat slit but if you win you can basically turn your country into North Korea because the population have been totally neutered.
They are religious zealots (among other things.) They really think their gods are on their side.
Also it seems they are being played by the globalists who are trying to salvage the US-centered economic world order. For those globalists the gamble is worth it.
But in the USA they have an opposition, the Wallstreet boys and real industry. Those guys are all for enriching themselves, and exploiting the citizens, but they also do not want to destroy the Western world.
In Europe there is no opposition whatsoever. Big industry has been captured. In Germany and most of the other European country, the economy runs on the small and medium sized businesses. These are too unorganized and too centralized to give any opposition.
They have been (exhibit A - the Rust Belt, exhibit B - the dwindling middle class...) But now they'll have to start bringing the industry back. The main difference between Europe and the US is that the latter is probably self-sufficient in terms of resources. If (granted, a *big* if) it's able to bring South America on-board it's self-sufficient for sure.
Thus it seems Europe has no choice but to eventually rely on Russia and China for its resource needs. In the long run Europe is lost to the US. In the meanwhile the latter can buy some time by sacrificing the former.
That last part is speculative - based on various things I've been reading, but it does make sense to me.
A game of Monopoly ends when one player owns it all. At that stage money has lost its meaning, because there isn't anything more to buy.
In the real world that process is never fully completed, only asymptotically so, because there are always something new things to own, immaterial things like work, defense and services. And there are obstacles, like governments, laws and weaponized resistance. These things must be removed before the total ownership can be realized.
I wonder what are all the millions of recently arrived New Germans going to do when the government can no longer afford to care for them. They are certainly not as docile and obedient as the original population...
My thought too, throughout Europe. What attractions does Europe hold in long term inflation & depression to those used to a more balmy environment: frigid museums?
The New Germans will prey upon the Original Germans, and the government will do little to stop it, as it has no real incentive to. It will be similar to when the Original Germans preyed upon the Old Roman Citizens. The old Barbarians are now the new Sheep.
Speaking of mass migration, as you likely know, Egypt gets most, if not all, its wheat from Ukraine. Egyptians are going to be hungry next year. Do you think they are just going to sit around and starve, when Europe has food?
I don't know much about Egyptian men, but I don't think they are a bunch of beta boys.
So where does all that food come from in Europe ?I thought there is no dung manure for growing potatoes or grain . Farming causes global warming as in the Netherlands ,it must be abolished .
They will also be able to blame all excess vax deaths onto freezing and starvation.
As damning as this will be of their leadership and policies, it would get them off the hook of personal legal liability (esp where vax mandates were in place).
Freezing and starvation can be blamed on Putin. Vaccine deaths cannot.
What the Ukraine 'war' does is create the perception that inflation and scarcity are temporary -- as soon as we defeat that evil Putin -- and support the freedom loving Zelensky (a coke snorting joke of a man)... we will return to normal.
Can you imagine what would happen if there was no Ukraine 'war' to blame all of this on????
There would be epic panic... riots... chaos.
Instead we get propaganda with celebrities visiting Z... urging us to support the cause and live turn down the heat in winter and throw on an extra blanket.
We suffer for Zelensky!!!
The thing is ... this is NOT temporary --- we burned up all the cheap energy.
Logically your scenario is very probable, and I believe it.
Emotionally,we are ill prepared. Every German under 80 years only has lived through affluent times. Very few of us can really imagine that this will ever end.
In a way, it would be the best if this will be a hungry winter without heating. We will finally understand the reality of our Energiewende, letting our economically policy be ruled by teenage girls, and making the Green party the strongest force in the country.
I lived in harsh conditions until I was 18, and moved to Germany 20 years ago.
It amazes me how these people do not understand what it means not to have energy, food etc.
They are simply unable to think about it, and the consequences.
Let them eat cake. Let us have a cold, dark and hungry winter, for this may be useful to return to a sense of reality, unfortunately at the cost of of tenths, if not hundreds of thousands dead.
After the war, Germans became very adverse to violence, and also very tolerant. This works great if every one adheres to it. This is why we were economically so succesfull. A truly non-violent, non racist society, where everybody can works to his advantage, and nobody gets left behind. No in group preference at all.
But then we thought everybody is like that.
And starting in the 70ies, the intolerant minority began to organize, and now they won.
It is like the movie "Demolition Man". The peaceful tolerant people forgot to defend themselves, and it will take a generation to relearn it, if at all.
No, I found that even 30 years ago, Germans thought:
"But then we thought everybody WANTS TO BE like that"
I asked Swedes why migrants want to come to Sweden. They said:
"Because they all want to be Swedish."
I laughed and said "No, they want to live like Swedes economically. They could care less about becoming Swedish".
They told me: "In America you have cities full of crime."
I said: "You have no cities filled with minorities on welfare".
They said: "Well, you must be racists because your minorities hate you. Swedes are not like that. We are fair and everyone in the world loves us."
Today, Swedish cities are filled with African minorities who live on welfare and hate the Swedish people. Crime is now a big problem. This is true in Germany, France, the UK, and most other European countries.
For all their multiculturalism and internationalizm, Europeans are not really very aware of the cultural norms of non-Europeans. Europeans no more understand what culturally motivates Non-Europeans now, than then understood what drove the Vikings to pillage the continent 1000 years ago.
"multiculturalism" in the West only means that everybody is like us. In its heart it is an extremely intolerant philosophy. But it is also very hypocritical, thus it dares not face reality.
But as Eugyppius' articles describe: reality cannot be much longer be denied.
How cold can it get in Germany? I think it can go to minus 20 in some areas .That may be an incentive for migrants to hurry back to Arabia together with the Germans ,to get warm .
First, there were 70M Germans in 1950, so much less than today 83M.
Secondly and foremost, there was much greater de-centralization of energy and food production. Think coal at home, wood stoves, local farming and/or home gardening for food.
The hyper-centralization and hyper-connected and dependent supply flows we have today are a massive issue and risk to die-off.
I trust Germans will tap into their enormous reserves of easily accessed coal before they freeze. Even if the government tries to prevent it, a black market will rise up to fuel all manner of improvised heaters and stoves. This is the irony which the Green Party has brought us.
Eventually we will use coal much more, but you cannot just reactivate the old coal mines. No equipment, no miners. It takes years to get it going again.
What if the reaction is not as you expect, and your politicians use the winter emergency to change the EU Constitution and centralize more power in Brussels?
I don't know if they change the constitution (it is meaningless anyway, all rules regarding debt are long broken), but doubtless they will centralize more power in Brussels.
So you mean in the west where average age is easily 40+ is the soft society voting in their even older psycho leaders? How does this work in ex CCCP countries where the same psychos are sitting on the top and average age also 40+? Most of their citizens grew up in communism. Are they soft by what? What do you reckon how long since soft generations are growing? What do you define by soft? What is hard men? How is 'hard' defined? By what?
Our elites have been negatively selected since the 90ies. Now they not very smart, at best average IQ, totally corrupt while thinking they are morally justified.
They have to be cleared out.
This can only happen after a catastrophe that sweeps everything away.
I'm sorry the German and European people will suffer in the cold this winter. I'm sorry that millions and millions around the world will die from starvation next year.
We will learn what happens when radical leftists globalists are given power over people; suffering and death.
I am afraid that it is, at this juncture, the only possible wake up call.
Let us have the harshest winter in the last century ! Bring it on.
I want snowstorms, I want ice, I want stuck pipes, I want earth that is as hard as granite 1 meter deep, I want icebergs on the Rhine and stuck diesel engines.
You need an entire winter like the 4 day cold spell in DC in 1996 - when it was so cold that the demand for electricity was so great that the US Federal Government shut down because of a lack of juice.
There are warning signs that this coming winter will see a blizzard of venom needling ,targeting the so far unvaxxed ,like me in most western countries .
this is the type of catastrophe that only centralized governments can create. It took centralization at the entire EU level to achieve this disaster. Congrats to the voters that support this!
The only real answer is decentralization. Secession, really.
I agree. I think that we are about at the point where the masses start to wake up and realize that they have been fooled. Today's leaders are not students of history. They don't realize how quickly the mob can turn on them. A cold winter with intermittent heat may just do the trick. Those kinds of privations were not unusual a couple generations ago, but now people freak out if they can't look at Facebook for a couple hours. Imagine those same people not having heat during a cold night.
A lot of lunatics make it to power in Germany, everywhere yes, but Germany especially. Is the German psyche predisposed to embracing such lunacy? At least it will be a virtuous and self righteous economic suicide, and that's all that really seems to matter anymore.
Fun fact: Germany has a natural gas contract with Russia until 2030 - "take or pay" principle. Means: Germany has to buy 40 billion cubic meters annually from Russia. Otherwise, Germany is still paying for gas it can't get and has to buy it elsewhere.
Indeed, so Habeck’s proposal to go Russia-independent by 2024 is basically a proposal to give Putin a bunch of free money while he sells our contracted gas to other buyers.
The Greens, worldwide, are typically havens for the most misanthropic and least well-informed politicians. Their fluff about saving the trees and oceans is disingenuous. They just like the opportunity to impose their wretched puritanism.
Indeed the silence on this is bizarre to say the least. Personally, I will be stocking up on food and basics. I also have a nice wood pile. 15 cubic metres of firewood. And cognac. I have cognac.
But what happens when the mob comes for our food supplies and wood? How long can a community last without power, water and food. It is said that a man who hasn't eaten for just three days will kill you for your food.
I am very scared of what's coming. Very scared indeed!
My guess is that in the case of a blackout, there will be no communication and no information regarding when it will end. Most city dwellers will spend a few days in their apartments wondering what to do. Chaos will already have broken out and their traveling from cities to the countryside (where I live) will become quite difficult, without public transport or petrol. I'm thankfully not within walking distance from any town or city. Also, there are a lot of hunters and farmers in my village, and relatively a high level of self-sufficiency.
One important piece of advice I heard recently was that as soon as a blackout happens, drive home immediately. The roads will become chaotic quite quickly and if you then can't make it home, you have a big problem.
Isn't it horrifying and apocalyptic that we are even thinking about this happening... And some countries are already much further along in the process already. It's real!
One thing I find very ironic: so many people are totally addicted to their phones and rely on them for everything including so called news and entertainment. It's all provided at the tips of their fingers - no need to question or think for themselves. But - If the lights do go out, so do their phones = complete incomprehension and helplessness!
Where do you live ?If you have cognac I would like to visit ,I'm good splitting fire wood . By the way I changed from Joe 85 to Joe 86 a good reason to celebrate .
Exactly. I'm a middle aged woman. If I can have the courage to walk around a masked store without a mask, so can other people.
I have to add something else: people are compliant because they don't want to have a confrontation. I rarely have confrontations about the mask, and if I do, I simply leave the store. But... many people don't want to deal with that, and I certainly understand that as well.
It is telling that Russia, China and the USA do not have real energy crisis, just Europe at this time. the plan to destabilise the world may turn out to be a plan to just destabilise the small players and then the big three can rule the roost.
Russia, china and the US do not have the energy crisis that Europe has because they no longer do the bidding of Euro trash elites; all known as the "the Davos set". It is THEIR plan to destabilize the rest of the world to cover for their own Euro trash corruption that 's been going on for centuries. (And the former European colonies are fighting back: BRICS,USA.)
Davos is destroying Europe through it's green energy policies with out any assistance from anyone else.
No, Kalle, the Euro chickens are coming home to roost and you are feeling the consequences of
voting green, all your own doing.
This is all on you voting for the Davos sets' dedication to a world ruled by them.
Yes, countries can be ranked on a crisis scale. Those at the bottom get cut off and the rest pick up the pieces for next to nothing. The reconfigured world marches on.
One of our independent journalists here in canada wrote a piece calling out our authoritarian narcissistic useless PM and his total disregard for actually helping out Germany in her hour of need for energy.
Trudeau a toadie of Davos who is running their energy & food shortage agenda Worldwide. The whole meeting was just for show. They knew in advance it would amount to nothing.
As a Canadian I’m truly fearful where my country is heading if we don’t get rid of Trudeau and anyone like him. WEF has infiltrated 50% of the liberal party and brag about that fact. We are living in perilous times.
The National Post has a better picture in their similar article.
The smile on Trudeau's face shows who won the virtue signaling contest. It's frightening that Trudeau has so little regard for the suffering of someone else.
I think this can be simply summarized as Europeans have grown soft and naive while living off the wealth that previous generations have obtained (both legally and through confiscation) while never having to defend themselves because the U.S. took care of that for them. They think they are special and can dictate to the rest of the world what is and is not important. They are mistaken.
I mostly agree, but I don't think the "little" people think they're special, but the middle class seem to think nothing bad can happen to them. A lot of wishful and magical thinking going on there.
yes, exactly this. there is just a general feeling of invulnerability that is very hard to overcome. people who have never experienced scarcity in their lives, perhaps have trouble understanding, what scarcity is.
I completely agree. Most people have no idea what true scarcity is. That should be a good thing, but it also breeds complacency and, as you said, a sense of invulnerability that actually leads back to scarcity.
I can't really blame anybody who thinks like this, I think it's a natural reaction to years and years of peace and prosperity. I remember reading diary entries by Polish people from the beginning of WW II, they were absolutely flabbergasted that THIS was ACTUALLY happening to THEM. Simply shocked. Well, at that time, THEIR last war had ended 20 years previously, and even THEY found it hard to grasp that bad things happen to good people.
And then there's us...much more coddled, much safer, wrapped in cotton from birth...it's very natural that people feel invulnerable. It's gonna change, though, and people are going to adapt, but I find it hard to predict how they will react to bad times.
I agree with you. I've been told many many times when in Europe something to the effect of "We like Americans, but we hate America." In other words, individual Americans are usually viewed favorably, but our government is an entirely different story. The same thing applies with Europe. I wish the average everyday European the best during the challenging times ahead, but the leaders that got them into this situation, not so much.
As for the anti-American sentiments here, I'm sorry you had to experience that. It's really a weird obsession with some groups here, always blaming America for whatever they think is wrong with the world.
Many people seem to think that freedom (TM) and democracy (TM) is what keeps you warm in the winter. They're in for a rude awakening.
And while we're at it, I get rather annoyed when people lecture me about "freedom," which we now need to "sacrifice" for. Freedom my, ahem, ear. I was put under house arrest over a freakin' respiratory virus! As for democracy: I've spent my entire adult life in countries that I'm not a citizen of, and so I have no political rights anyway. I like having some individual rights, though. Such as, you know, the right to leave my apartment and come back as I please, without fearing arrest.
There seems to be this abstract concept of "freedom", preferably very, very far away, that is immensely important and worth freezing for for months, if not years...whereas choice in every day life right here and now are rather negligible and unimportant and need to be mandated away for the "greater good" of the moment/the current thing.
I want to watch the show when all Germans turn on their electric heaters on the 15 of December and the oh-so-mighty-and-nicely-engineered grid melts down.
When EVs stay cozily in the garage, when ATMs do not spew eurocoins which have become useless anyway, the routers are down and you finally can read a good book with a candle and spend time with your kids, when these fleets of DHL fast delivery trucks are grounded.
Yes, I think I am longing for a Germany without electricity, but with a lot of happiness and flowers.
"Meanwhile, our lunatic Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, who like Habeck also from the economic sabotage collective known as the Green Party, has spoken out against keeping our three remaining nuclear plants open beyond 2022. This would be “crazy” in her conception, because Germany has fought so long and invested so much in getting out of nuclear power. "
I believe the current elected leadership sees the coming energy crunch as a feature, not a bug
They get their emissions reductions, and can blame Russia
Certainly possible, but also a real gamble; the risk that they discredit Green policies for a generation or more and consign themselves to the political wilderness is very great.
Hopefully it will discredit Green policies forever.
oh boy, I wish
We are in for a world of hurt with all of this.
The entire planet is over taken by imbeciles - no, just mentally ill people in power, that have very stupid ideas
But suppose it's all deliberate.........After all, it's just what the WEF want in order to facilitate their Great Reset.
It is deliberate, by those in charge. The "supporters" are nothing more than today's Brown Shirts, looking to be a part of something/anything.
Except it requires the consent of the governed. The WEF would be a fringe comedy troupe were it not for an audience of willing dupes.
History repeats itself. The actors’ names are different but the story line NEVER changes.
Depopulation is carried out by many different means ,energy is just one of the many ways .
"Food is fuel-Fuel is food" is what I always say.
Historically, do not underestimate the German willingness for self-sacrifice in the name for what they are told is the moral imperative.
Are you saying Germans are insanely gullible? What moral imperative is served by watching your fellow citizens go hungry and freeze?
I have a good German expat friend. He lives in the US now. Sadly, he isn't optimistic about his former compatriots, lamenting them as "so completely brainwashed". Even his own family, most of whom remain in Germany and view him as a pariah now. But he hasn't given in to despair, yet. Pray!
this is sad to know, but not unusual.
Many families are divided now. Everyone is being ignored, scolded or banned.
🙄🥺 :::sigh::: ask me how I know.
Hubbs and I are grateful to just have each other now. many others in our family and circle have become tiresome... and they do not like our opinions anyway
That is the great thing about the coming climate apocalypse, in which most people believe now in Germany, as it has been hammered into us for 20 years now:
Being poor, hungry, cold is ok, because the alternative is certain death in the fiery hellscape of 2050, which surely will come if we do not listen to Greta.
This of course is German myopia. They tend to act as if they are the most important people on earth, the crusaders for Gaia, and their sacrifice will save the planet. Of course the 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians, and the other 3.5 billion in developing countries, wonder who silly people are.
Population reduction in the name of saving the world.
Why, saving the planet from climate change of course.
Yes, they follow orders over a cliff. This is why they are starting the energy crisis there.
IMHO, in the 17th through the early part of the 20th century, Europe emptied itself of most of the malcontents - they went to America, Canada, Central and South America, etc. This left behind an even stronger culture of obedience to the power structure.
Yes, we are selected for obedience.
The adventurous, unobedient people left for the new world in the 18 and 19 century, were killed in the first world war, and either killed or fled in the second world war.
That makes me very sad
True - but the surety of the Climate movement is one to behold; where there is no greater conquest than that of CO2 reduction, and that every and all efforts made anywhere anytime can only be to that end, to prevent the annihilation of the world. I know people who are True Believers on climate and they feel real, true anxiety about it; their conviction is real and when posited with "are you willing to kill 1 billion people" they answer with "if I had to choose between than and 8bn"
I take these people at their word.
You must to talking to evil leftist totalitarians. There is no other way to categorize them. Ask them to do the right thing and sacrifice themselves. It will be fun to see their shocked face.
I have a modest proposal for carbon sequestration that would solve the 'global warming' problem.
Family members, and who state that most world leaders are aligned with their views. They are not wrong
World misleaders.
Dig in and you’ll find out that they are never to be part of the billion.
So ironic that CO2 is vital for plant life, is about 0.04% of the total atmosphere, has contributed to record food production in recent decades plus increased overall greening of the earth (large parts of the Sahara in particular), is invisible with no smell, and humans expel about 40,000 ppm on an exhalation.
For too many humans it seems, they need to have an ''enemy'' to rally against and if there is nothing obvious, then hypothesize one up. The psychology is: fear of peace and a need/delight in conflict and excitement. Human nature in a nutshell.
Neither Habeck nor Baerbock seem to be familiar with the idea of second order consequences.
I just made this exact same argument about world politics and the idiots who are pretending to govern us to my colleagues today. All these people do is reducing complicated issues to 1-dimensional knobs they can play with, expecting everything is just a simple matter of cause and effect. When confronted with 2nd order effects they just come up with more knobs to turn to solve those as well, creating even more chaos. Repeat ad nauseum.
It’s amazing how fast things are going downhill the last few years. I blame the continued political integration of EU countries, which has created a layer of regents that are oblivious to anything going on in the real world and are preoccupied by nothing other than living and acting out their power fantasies of a European super state.
30 years ago none of this would have happened, because there would never be enough retardedness spread around the governments of all individual European countries to normalize this level of idiocy and incompetence. Now it’s all normalized, in the name of ‘European unity and solidarity’, to ‘stand together for democracy’, to ‘form a bloc against other superpowers’ or whatever other stale platitudes they use to sell this garbage to us.
I’ve been thinking for a while that part of the issue is the dying off of the WW2 generation. My parents would tell vivid stories about being bombed out and hungry and cold. There is no one in current leadership positions who has direct experience of such kind.
As such our leaders only life experience is of things only ever getting better and better regardless of political actions. It’s no wonder they can’t conceive of causing anything truly bad.
I doubt any current leaders, even with the correct age range, have experienced deprivation... they're all too bloody wealthy
Which is staggeringly ironic when environmentalism originates from the idea of contemplating second-order consequences of the industrial revolution.
Agreed, it’s mind boggling.
But as Saul Alinsky once said: "the worse, the better". They may get voted out someday in Germany, or they may not, but they can use the emergency to impose totalitarian measures - and do so on an EU-Wide basis. Remember, the whole EU constitutional issue is still in flux. A true emergency in winter could allow a rush to EU Federalization and centralization of power in ways that are not wise and would never pass without an emergency.
Look at this:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/29/german-chancellor-demands-bigger-eu-less-national-sovereignty-for-members/
The German chancellor wants to give more power to the EU Federal Government.
It seems the risk is Sri Lanka. How far can you push the population before things really break. Tens or hundreds of thousands of starving and freezing people with absolutely nothing to lose...that’s the risk.
It’s a huge gamble with a significant payout. You lose and you collapse society and wind up on the end of a gun barrel or with your throat slit but if you win you can basically turn your country into North Korea because the population have been totally neutered.
Sri Lanka is a young population. Young people make revolutions.
Germany is an old population. Old people die in silence.
>but also a real gamble
They are religious zealots (among other things.) They really think their gods are on their side.
Also it seems they are being played by the globalists who are trying to salvage the US-centered economic world order. For those globalists the gamble is worth it.
They are dismantling the US as well.
But in the USA they have an opposition, the Wallstreet boys and real industry. Those guys are all for enriching themselves, and exploiting the citizens, but they also do not want to destroy the Western world.
In Europe there is no opposition whatsoever. Big industry has been captured. In Germany and most of the other European country, the economy runs on the small and medium sized businesses. These are too unorganized and too centralized to give any opposition.
They have been (exhibit A - the Rust Belt, exhibit B - the dwindling middle class...) But now they'll have to start bringing the industry back. The main difference between Europe and the US is that the latter is probably self-sufficient in terms of resources. If (granted, a *big* if) it's able to bring South America on-board it's self-sufficient for sure.
Thus it seems Europe has no choice but to eventually rely on Russia and China for its resource needs. In the long run Europe is lost to the US. In the meanwhile the latter can buy some time by sacrificing the former.
That last part is speculative - based on various things I've been reading, but it does make sense to me.
A game of Monopoly ends when one player owns it all. At that stage money has lost its meaning, because there isn't anything more to buy.
In the real world that process is never fully completed, only asymptotically so, because there are always something new things to own, immaterial things like work, defense and services. And there are obstacles, like governments, laws and weaponized resistance. These things must be removed before the total ownership can be realized.
It will also expose how well that alternative energy works that they've been bragging about.
I see that the winter is forecast as very cold this year. Truly a perfect storm.
I pray for that outcome.
The risk that they are hunted down in the street before even that is very great.
You won't find them in the streets ,they are out cruising the oceans in 200 foot super yachts ,or in private jets 40000 feet in the air .
I wonder what are all the millions of recently arrived New Germans going to do when the government can no longer afford to care for them. They are certainly not as docile and obedient as the original population...
My thought too, throughout Europe. What attractions does Europe hold in long term inflation & depression to those used to a more balmy environment: frigid museums?
Inflation has no effect on migrants ,when every thing is free for them . Global warming will take care of staying warm .
The New Germans will prey upon the Original Germans, and the government will do little to stop it, as it has no real incentive to. It will be similar to when the Original Germans preyed upon the Old Roman Citizens. The old Barbarians are now the new Sheep.
Speaking of mass migration, as you likely know, Egypt gets most, if not all, its wheat from Ukraine. Egyptians are going to be hungry next year. Do you think they are just going to sit around and starve, when Europe has food?
I don't know much about Egyptian men, but I don't think they are a bunch of beta boys.
So where does all that food come from in Europe ?I thought there is no dung manure for growing potatoes or grain . Farming causes global warming as in the Netherlands ,it must be abolished .
Great points. I sit dutifully.
Surely they did not go Home, they just relocated to Germany....
Weirdly, the New Germans may be the saviors, because they are willing to do what is necessary to regain life and liberty.
HAHAHA. NO.
Rhodesia and South Africa were the test runs. Now comes the last battle.
Oh yes they are, they are... But, to them "life and liberty" means something very different from what it means to the original Germans.
They will also be able to blame all excess vax deaths onto freezing and starvation.
As damning as this will be of their leadership and policies, it would get them off the hook of personal legal liability (esp where vax mandates were in place).
Freezing and starvation can be blamed on Putin. Vaccine deaths cannot.
They can blame Russia for the Western sanctions placed on Nord Stream 1 & 2?
It is anything BUT them!
What is anything but who?
The Ukraine 'war' is a manufactured war..... yes there is a 'war'... it's not fake...
But it's put forward to explain away raging inflation and declining/expensive energy.
Gas prices were skyrocketing BEFORE any of this ... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/08/natural-gas-prices-are-skyrocketing-globally-what-it-means-for-the-us.html
What the Ukraine 'war' does is create the perception that inflation and scarcity are temporary -- as soon as we defeat that evil Putin -- and support the freedom loving Zelensky (a coke snorting joke of a man)... we will return to normal.
Can you imagine what would happen if there was no Ukraine 'war' to blame all of this on????
There would be epic panic... riots... chaos.
Instead we get propaganda with celebrities visiting Z... urging us to support the cause and live turn down the heat in winter and throw on an extra blanket.
We suffer for Zelensky!!!
The thing is ... this is NOT temporary --- we burned up all the cheap energy.
This is the brief period before --- Extinction... https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220
Exactly, the greenies always wanted to cut energy and destroy the western way of life, and now they can blame Russia
Leader-sheep :P...
They are NO leaders as they lead no one; they are just incompetent rulers.
Logically your scenario is very probable, and I believe it.
Emotionally,we are ill prepared. Every German under 80 years only has lived through affluent times. Very few of us can really imagine that this will ever end.
In a way, it would be the best if this will be a hungry winter without heating. We will finally understand the reality of our Energiewende, letting our economically policy be ruled by teenage girls, and making the Green party the strongest force in the country.
I agree, very much.
a good outcome will be the break up of the E.U.
Josep Burrell, V.P. of the E.U. should be strung up on a lamppost.
Italian elections soon; maybe they will lead the way...
..from your lips to God ears
Absolutely !
I lived in harsh conditions until I was 18, and moved to Germany 20 years ago.
It amazes me how these people do not understand what it means not to have energy, food etc.
They are simply unable to think about it, and the consequences.
Let them eat cake. Let us have a cold, dark and hungry winter, for this may be useful to return to a sense of reality, unfortunately at the cost of of tenths, if not hundreds of thousands dead.
After the war, Germans became very adverse to violence, and also very tolerant. This works great if every one adheres to it. This is why we were economically so succesfull. A truly non-violent, non racist society, where everybody can works to his advantage, and nobody gets left behind. No in group preference at all.
But then we thought everybody is like that.
And starting in the 70ies, the intolerant minority began to organize, and now they won.
It is like the movie "Demolition Man". The peaceful tolerant people forgot to defend themselves, and it will take a generation to relearn it, if at all.
"But then we thought everybody is like that"
No, I found that even 30 years ago, Germans thought:
"But then we thought everybody WANTS TO BE like that"
I asked Swedes why migrants want to come to Sweden. They said:
"Because they all want to be Swedish."
I laughed and said "No, they want to live like Swedes economically. They could care less about becoming Swedish".
They told me: "In America you have cities full of crime."
I said: "You have no cities filled with minorities on welfare".
They said: "Well, you must be racists because your minorities hate you. Swedes are not like that. We are fair and everyone in the world loves us."
Today, Swedish cities are filled with African minorities who live on welfare and hate the Swedish people. Crime is now a big problem. This is true in Germany, France, the UK, and most other European countries.
For all their multiculturalism and internationalizm, Europeans are not really very aware of the cultural norms of non-Europeans. Europeans no more understand what culturally motivates Non-Europeans now, than then understood what drove the Vikings to pillage the continent 1000 years ago.
Yes, good points.
"multiculturalism" in the West only means that everybody is like us. In its heart it is an extremely intolerant philosophy. But it is also very hypocritical, thus it dares not face reality.
But as Eugyppius' articles describe: reality cannot be much longer be denied.
You may be right.
I used to be calculate the "carrying capacity" of a few regions in Europe.
Under some scenarios (ie no fuel and no fertilizers), most regions would not support more than 40-50 persons / km2.
So that would mean 80% of the Germany population dies.
How cold can it get in Germany? I think it can go to minus 20 in some areas .That may be an incentive for migrants to hurry back to Arabia together with the Germans ,to get warm .
After the 2nd w.w. the Germans got help from outside of Germany . With so many countries in the same situation who will come this time .?
The situation after WWII was MUCH better.
First, there were 70M Germans in 1950, so much less than today 83M.
Secondly and foremost, there was much greater de-centralization of energy and food production. Think coal at home, wood stoves, local farming and/or home gardening for food.
The hyper-centralization and hyper-connected and dependent supply flows we have today are a massive issue and risk to die-off.
I trust Germans will tap into their enormous reserves of easily accessed coal before they freeze. Even if the government tries to prevent it, a black market will rise up to fuel all manner of improvised heaters and stoves. This is the irony which the Green Party has brought us.
Germans are also re-importing Russian gas from China at a huge markup.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-aggressively-reselling-russian-gas-europe
Eventually we will use coal much more, but you cannot just reactivate the old coal mines. No equipment, no miners. It takes years to get it going again.
What if the reaction is not as you expect, and your politicians use the winter emergency to change the EU Constitution and centralize more power in Brussels?
I don't know if they change the constitution (it is meaningless anyway, all rules regarding debt are long broken), but doubtless they will centralize more power in Brussels.
Nicely said
I disagree with this generalised notion. What do an average joe has to do with the actions of psychopaths sitting on the top???
The psychopaths sitting on the top are the end products of a 'soft' society. They are what we make them.
So you mean in the west where average age is easily 40+ is the soft society voting in their even older psycho leaders? How does this work in ex CCCP countries where the same psychos are sitting on the top and average age also 40+? Most of their citizens grew up in communism. Are they soft by what? What do you reckon how long since soft generations are growing? What do you define by soft? What is hard men? How is 'hard' defined? By what?
There is no leadership able to wake up.
Our elites have been negatively selected since the 90ies. Now they not very smart, at best average IQ, totally corrupt while thinking they are morally justified.
They have to be cleared out.
This can only happen after a catastrophe that sweeps everything away.
At the end of the day, Men are still needed.
More so at the beginning of the day . Next winter at the end of the day when the bedroom is frosty ,will men still be able to make babies ?
You know I completely forgot about that most important function of men! Lol
Globalist holodomor 2.0.
I'm sorry the German and European people will suffer in the cold this winter. I'm sorry that millions and millions around the world will die from starvation next year.
We will learn what happens when radical leftists globalists are given power over people; suffering and death.
I am afraid that it is, at this juncture, the only possible wake up call.
Let us have the harshest winter in the last century ! Bring it on.
I want snowstorms, I want ice, I want stuck pipes, I want earth that is as hard as granite 1 meter deep, I want icebergs on the Rhine and stuck diesel engines.
It will be grandiose.
You need an entire winter like the 4 day cold spell in DC in 1996 - when it was so cold that the demand for electricity was so great that the US Federal Government shut down because of a lack of juice.
And there was 2 feet of snow on the ground.
But can you not see, how much that would hurt Putin ?
Banksters control them, fund them. But will drop them like a worn out shoe if they no longer serve their Malthusian Totalitarian state agenda.
There are warning signs that this coming winter will see a blizzard of venom needling ,targeting the so far unvaxxed ,like me in most western countries .
But will we really learn that?
this is the type of catastrophe that only centralized governments can create. It took centralization at the entire EU level to achieve this disaster. Congrats to the voters that support this!
The only real answer is decentralization. Secession, really.
And scale.
Exactly.
I always say this: a country which is not energy and food self-sufficient is not a country.
And quite possibly, the same should apply at State, department, and community level.
I would also add that a country that does not enforce its borders is not a country.
Canada strictly enforces its border ,no one can get out without the Castro junior venom . So welcome to a'' real ''country .
I agree. I think that we are about at the point where the masses start to wake up and realize that they have been fooled. Today's leaders are not students of history. They don't realize how quickly the mob can turn on them. A cold winter with intermittent heat may just do the trick. Those kinds of privations were not unusual a couple generations ago, but now people freak out if they can't look at Facebook for a couple hours. Imagine those same people not having heat during a cold night.
We don't need more limitations! We need more freedom!
but freedom is exactly what completely decentralized power allows.
sure, but it must be with full autonomy.
There should be an obligation to bear arms, not a right.
A lot of lunatics make it to power in Germany, everywhere yes, but Germany especially. Is the German psyche predisposed to embracing such lunacy? At least it will be a virtuous and self righteous economic suicide, and that's all that really seems to matter anymore.
https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/europes-virtuous-suicide
Fun fact: Germany has a natural gas contract with Russia until 2030 - "take or pay" principle. Means: Germany has to buy 40 billion cubic meters annually from Russia. Otherwise, Germany is still paying for gas it can't get and has to buy it elsewhere.
Indeed, so Habeck’s proposal to go Russia-independent by 2024 is basically a proposal to give Putin a bunch of free money while he sells our contracted gas to other buyers.
It’s like a cartoon. And Putin is bugs bunny and Germany is Elmer Fudd.
The Greens, worldwide, are typically havens for the most misanthropic and least well-informed politicians. Their fluff about saving the trees and oceans is disingenuous. They just like the opportunity to impose their wretched puritanism.
It's now a religion. Shellenberger just wrote about that in his column. The Ecofascist religion.
Reading his book, ‘ Apocalypse Never’. It is excellent. I’ve learned so much and I’m only in the second chapter.
Indeed the silence on this is bizarre to say the least. Personally, I will be stocking up on food and basics. I also have a nice wood pile. 15 cubic metres of firewood. And cognac. I have cognac.
But what happens when the mob comes for our food supplies and wood? How long can a community last without power, water and food. It is said that a man who hasn't eaten for just three days will kill you for your food.
I am very scared of what's coming. Very scared indeed!
My guess is that in the case of a blackout, there will be no communication and no information regarding when it will end. Most city dwellers will spend a few days in their apartments wondering what to do. Chaos will already have broken out and their traveling from cities to the countryside (where I live) will become quite difficult, without public transport or petrol. I'm thankfully not within walking distance from any town or city. Also, there are a lot of hunters and farmers in my village, and relatively a high level of self-sufficiency.
One important piece of advice I heard recently was that as soon as a blackout happens, drive home immediately. The roads will become chaotic quite quickly and if you then can't make it home, you have a big problem.
Isn't it horrifying and apocalyptic that we are even thinking about this happening... And some countries are already much further along in the process already. It's real!
One thing I find very ironic: so many people are totally addicted to their phones and rely on them for everything including so called news and entertainment. It's all provided at the tips of their fingers - no need to question or think for themselves. But - If the lights do go out, so do their phones = complete incomprehension and helplessness!
Yeah. Scary times. I don't know what the answer is. I really don't.
Where do you live ?If you have cognac I would like to visit ,I'm good splitting fire wood . By the way I changed from Joe 85 to Joe 86 a good reason to celebrate .
Anyone who believes the Klaus Schwab quote - You will own nothing and you'll be happy - has never read Damon Knight's story TO SERVE MAN.
Germany's decision to sacrifice its people to the Green Gods will lead to fighting in the streets.
You can't "build back better" until something is destroyed.
It seems to me that all of these "unfortunate actions" are being done on purpose to destroy the West.
I am currently reading Erich Fromm's ESCAPE FROM FREEDOM and Mattias Disnet's THE PSYCHOLOGY OF TOTALITARIANISM is next on the list.`
I had planned to read THE WAR ON THE WEST by Douglas Murray, but that might drive me over the edge.
Sometimes reality strikes too close to home.
I read Escape from Freedom a number of years ago, and was planning on Desmet's book. Then I ran across this:
https://www.americaoutloud.com/mattias-desmet-mass-hypnosis-expert-or-trojan-horse-the-full-story/
I think it does raise some valid questions regarding mass formation psychosis. I'm more inclined to think that this is involved:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/terror-management-theory
And brainwashing. Lots of brainwashing.
Exactly. I'm a middle aged woman. If I can have the courage to walk around a masked store without a mask, so can other people.
I have to add something else: people are compliant because they don't want to have a confrontation. I rarely have confrontations about the mask, and if I do, I simply leave the store. But... many people don't want to deal with that, and I certainly understand that as well.
Thanks for the tip.
Widerstehen!!!
It is telling that Russia, China and the USA do not have real energy crisis, just Europe at this time. the plan to destabilise the world may turn out to be a plan to just destabilise the small players and then the big three can rule the roost.
Wrong.
Russia, china and the US do not have the energy crisis that Europe has because they no longer do the bidding of Euro trash elites; all known as the "the Davos set". It is THEIR plan to destabilize the rest of the world to cover for their own Euro trash corruption that 's been going on for centuries. (And the former European colonies are fighting back: BRICS,USA.)
Davos is destroying Europe through it's green energy policies with out any assistance from anyone else.
No, Kalle, the Euro chickens are coming home to roost and you are feeling the consequences of
voting green, all your own doing.
This is all on you voting for the Davos sets' dedication to a world ruled by them.
Voting has consequences.
Yes, countries can be ranked on a crisis scale. Those at the bottom get cut off and the rest pick up the pieces for next to nothing. The reconfigured world marches on.
I am going long on fiddle futures.
One of our independent journalists here in canada wrote a piece calling out our authoritarian narcissistic useless PM and his total disregard for actually helping out Germany in her hour of need for energy.
https://tnc.news/2022/08/28/tobin-business-case/
Trudeau a toadie of Davos who is running their energy & food shortage agenda Worldwide. The whole meeting was just for show. They knew in advance it would amount to nothing.
As a Canadian I’m truly fearful where my country is heading if we don’t get rid of Trudeau and anyone like him. WEF has infiltrated 50% of the liberal party and brag about that fact. We are living in perilous times.
They bragged about it on stage in 2017. Imagine what has happened since? But hey, that’s just a “conspiracy” theory.
And yet some people really still believe it’s just a conspiracy theory L. That’s what scares me!
That makes them part of the conspiracy. Try saying that to someone and watch their head spin.
The National Post has a better picture in their similar article.
The smile on Trudeau's face shows who won the virtue signaling contest. It's frightening that Trudeau has so little regard for the suffering of someone else.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/possibly-one-of-the-greatest-missed-opportunities-in-canadian-history
I think this can be simply summarized as Europeans have grown soft and naive while living off the wealth that previous generations have obtained (both legally and through confiscation) while never having to defend themselves because the U.S. took care of that for them. They think they are special and can dictate to the rest of the world what is and is not important. They are mistaken.
I mostly agree, but I don't think the "little" people think they're special, but the middle class seem to think nothing bad can happen to them. A lot of wishful and magical thinking going on there.
yes, exactly this. there is just a general feeling of invulnerability that is very hard to overcome. people who have never experienced scarcity in their lives, perhaps have trouble understanding, what scarcity is.
I completely agree. Most people have no idea what true scarcity is. That should be a good thing, but it also breeds complacency and, as you said, a sense of invulnerability that actually leads back to scarcity.
I can't really blame anybody who thinks like this, I think it's a natural reaction to years and years of peace and prosperity. I remember reading diary entries by Polish people from the beginning of WW II, they were absolutely flabbergasted that THIS was ACTUALLY happening to THEM. Simply shocked. Well, at that time, THEIR last war had ended 20 years previously, and even THEY found it hard to grasp that bad things happen to good people.
And then there's us...much more coddled, much safer, wrapped in cotton from birth...it's very natural that people feel invulnerable. It's gonna change, though, and people are going to adapt, but I find it hard to predict how they will react to bad times.
I agree with you. I've been told many many times when in Europe something to the effect of "We like Americans, but we hate America." In other words, individual Americans are usually viewed favorably, but our government is an entirely different story. The same thing applies with Europe. I wish the average everyday European the best during the challenging times ahead, but the leaders that got them into this situation, not so much.
I agree.
As for the anti-American sentiments here, I'm sorry you had to experience that. It's really a weird obsession with some groups here, always blaming America for whatever they think is wrong with the world.
basically, yes.
Many people seem to think that freedom (TM) and democracy (TM) is what keeps you warm in the winter. They're in for a rude awakening.
And while we're at it, I get rather annoyed when people lecture me about "freedom," which we now need to "sacrifice" for. Freedom my, ahem, ear. I was put under house arrest over a freakin' respiratory virus! As for democracy: I've spent my entire adult life in countries that I'm not a citizen of, and so I have no political rights anyway. I like having some individual rights, though. Such as, you know, the right to leave my apartment and come back as I please, without fearing arrest.
WORD.
There seems to be this abstract concept of "freedom", preferably very, very far away, that is immensely important and worth freezing for for months, if not years...whereas choice in every day life right here and now are rather negligible and unimportant and need to be mandated away for the "greater good" of the moment/the current thing.
Strange, that.
I want to watch the show when all Germans turn on their electric heaters on the 15 of December and the oh-so-mighty-and-nicely-engineered grid melts down.
When EVs stay cozily in the garage, when ATMs do not spew eurocoins which have become useless anyway, the routers are down and you finally can read a good book with a candle and spend time with your kids, when these fleets of DHL fast delivery trucks are grounded.
Yes, I think I am longing for a Germany without electricity, but with a lot of happiness and flowers.
Smells like green spirit !
A total collapse would be the ideal scenario. A quick catastrophe, which makes it clear to everyone we absolutely need fundamental change.
But I fear it will just be a slow decline, little by little, getting worse every year, but so slowly that people get use to it.
Yeah, like the frog being slowly frozen alive.
"Meanwhile, our lunatic Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, who like Habeck also from the economic sabotage collective known as the Green Party, has spoken out against keeping our three remaining nuclear plants open beyond 2022. This would be “crazy” in her conception, because Germany has fought so long and invested so much in getting out of nuclear power. "
This is sooooo 100% Putin's fault!
Thank you for your service eugyppius. I will miss your reports when the power is out.
I will find a way to report, don’t worry.