I wanted to let the daft public health advice speak for itself, but one mildly interesting aspect of their hostility to portable AC units, is that they don't really seem to understand how they work. You don't just buy a room AC device and run a hose through an open window, you buy an insulating sleeve that you glue/velcro around the window to keep the exhaust air out. Installation is trivial and takes maybe 5 minutes. Are they super efficient? No. But they're good enough and you only them to cool one room (where you sleep) for about three weeks/year. Not a big deal.
I think the public health authorities are critical of portable AC units precisely because they are effective. If everyone takes to portable ACs they can't draw all this attention to themselves as the catastrophe saviors.
Exactly. Solutions that come from people themselves are _sinful_. "Solutions" from the transcendent Government are _virtuous_. Pay no heed to the trickering deceits from material existence, the very Father of Lies!
Knowing the green struggles of the German Government they are likely afraid users will spread the word that the units work and the grid will not have the capacity to carry the A/C demand. Think California
Just wait until the hordes of Europeans return from the World Cup events America in mid-July, having experienced not only far greater heat, but air conditioning absolutely everywhere.
My AC is set at 69-70 F 24 hours a day in the summer, and the forecast is 95-105 F every day for the next two weeks (and most likely for the next two to three months). Most of my windows do not even open, but the ones that do will not be opened, because bugs/dust/pollen/heat, but I will open the shutters to let the sun shine in during the middle of the day if I so desire. I live in a sane area with plentiful, reasonably-priced electricity. My electric bill for two AC units in a 3300 SF house will be around $200 per month, and I consider it money well spent.
Oh, didn't see your comment and commented more or less the same. Exactly.
And Germany played in Houston, and to make things more shocking in an Arena that was fully enclosed and air conditioned.
Another interesting trivia: One of the other giant stadiums in America that have Air Conditioning is in Atlanta, and it is called (Drum roll, please....) The Mercedes-Benz Arena!!!!!!
Wow. They probably have no personal experience with window air conditioning units. Perhaps, when the AfD gets into power, they can fire these idiots en masse, as they so clearly deserve. (And don't give them any unemployment benefits either.)
The sad thing here is either the general population is really stupid enough to believe that non-sense, or the politicians think they are. On the other hand, enough of you voted for these morons.
The cheaper single block devices have a compressor in the room and transport the heat by blowing hot air through a hose. This does indeed cause the air pressure in the room to drop and warmer air will be sucked into the room from the outside, whether it’s the next room or outside the window. You can reduce this by using a sleeve, but you will never get your window airtight. I have gone so far as to replace the glass pane with a sheet of metal with a hole in it, and this actually prevented any outside air from getting in, but you don’t have a see-through window anymore, which some people may not like.
Of course all this doesn’t mean that this kind of AC won’t help at all, but it’s for small rooms only and will use a lot of energy.
The better solution is a split device, which has a separate box with a compressor and a ventilator, connected to the main unit by two hoses where hot liquid goes out and cooler liquid comes back in. No air is blown outside and therefore no air is sucked in. Having a box hanging out your window with a noisy compressor and fan may not help your popularity with your neighbors, however.
Absolutely true, but generally cold damp Germany is a good niche use case for these devices. I have split installed in 4 rooms myself, gets perhaps 6 to 8 weeks sporadic use a year.
And you can get them with the option of reverse cycle (where it blows hot air inside instead of cold). After all, split A/C units are the same thing as heat pumps.
Absolutely. I know a guy in south of Styria, where it is really hot for long weeks in Summer. He's installed air con., and he uses it about 10 days to 3 weeks a year.
I used to live in an old apartment that had a window air conditioning unit that was permanently installed. It wasn’t pretty, but it blasted cold air into my 450 square foot efficiency apartment and kept me comfortable in the summer.
We used a Whynter ARC-148MHP 14,000 BTU Portable Air Conditioner with Heat for two summers and it worked great in cooling off about 500 sq ft of space when the outside temperature was up to the 90F with rather high humidity (60 to 70%). The unit was a bit noisy and we had to empty the moisture collecting drain bucket (a 5-gallon plastic bucket) at least once a day when the humidity was really high outside. Our model was a 1 hose unit which meant it provided heat to the room when it was below freezing as it operated using room air intake. If you can find a single hose unit, I highly recommend one.
The other idiocy (maybe pointed out by others already): The "wet cooling clothes" thing does not work in a closed environment. It is like opening the fridge and thinking it will cool your flat. The sum of energy i. e. warmth stays the same, especially if you follow the advice and close the windows 😂
Not that it is a good strategy to cool your house - but evaporating water does lower the ambient temperature. When a liquid evaporates it requires energy to turn into gas. That's the principle that sweat (or heat pump condensers) operate with. The heat gets "absorbed" in the water molecules when they change form. The fridge is a heat pump (transfers heat elsewhere in this case still in the same room), water vaporizing absorbs heat so they are different. When you sweat in a sauna you are still cooling yourself despite it being a closed system.
Thanks for the elaboration. I knew the mechanism (that's, for example, why an open glass of water or one half of an apple are somwhat cooler than the ambient temperature) but I didn't think it would matter much in a closed environment; I was mistaken in that respect, I myself have looked it up in the web today - same answer. So your flat gets somewhat cooler, but damper. Not a good bargain though, I think.
They work to a decent extent even without the insulation, unless there’s a strong breeze blowing the exhausted hot air directly back in through the window.
I can’t imagine shutting all the windows and not running A/C during the summer. Even with a fan running, how would that work? Fans move air around. They don’t cool air, specifically. You can only use them to displace warm air with cooler air? Do they really recommend using ice cubes in front of the fan? Unlike portable or window unit A/Cs, refrigerators generally aren’t vented to the outside…, so that whole sending hot air back to the room thing actually does happen with them, right? Honestly, a republic that prevents politicians from issuing economic edicts sounds better and better, because politicians don’t take math or science exams before assuming their positions and we are seeing the consequences of that every day.
It is simple enough to find a portable air conditioner that a)has wheels b) dual hoses one for intake, and one for outtake that goes into a sleeve that they give you that you put into the frame of your window, closing the window against it and viola’, you’re done… your air conditioner is not conditioning output air just the intake air
> You don't just buy a room AC device and run a hose through an open window, you buy an insulating sleeve that you glue/velcro around the window to keep the exhaust air out.
Maybe *you* do, but, three times in my life now, I provably did not. I have installed both portable window ACs and those portable room ones (which are garbage, never use them), and, I have never gone to the effort of properly sealing the window to keep exhaust out.
I don't know how you can stand it. For me sitting on the porch, in the shade, reading a book, with a cold beverage, makes the 34C normal summer day in Tampa almost bearable until the inevitable (and welcome) 4 pm downpour hits. Then maybe I can handle a round of golf or a walk on the beach. But honestly, nothing short of an orgasm beats the relief of coming into AC after being outside.
Freddy and the other German tourists who are reporting on their visit for the soccer-fest get it. They mention air conditioning as if they've never experienced it, and now I know why.
It took German OEMs ages to understand consumer requirements of North America and the Pacific rim. I saw a famous exchange between Ford Werke and Ford HQ in deepest Arizona. Both used the same words, neither understood each other, but only one was correct. And it was golfing time he was giving up to argue why it's important.
It's a miracle the Germans have, because I'm pretty sure that they've been having these sorts of temperatures forever (I know we have, for as long as I remember, and I live right next door; we call this phenomenon "summer").
I grew up in Bucharest in the 50s and the summers were HOT. 40 degrees Celsius was quit common, sometimes higher. At that time, I couldn't have imagined air conditioning.
This is such BS. When I was a child, my siblings and I used to visit my grandparents in Houston in the summer. This was the 1950s. They had no air conditioning. We fought about who got to sleep in front of an open window, where there might be a slight breeze. We were happy, and we were fine. My grandparents lived to a ripe old age. I am pretty sure there is no place in Germany as hot and humid as Houston in the summer.
Your grandparents may have been fine, but in fact elderly people are quite vulnerable to dying in the heat. I suspect you did have fans as well, which Europeans believe will turn you into a werewolf.
My real point was not about the ability of normal people to adapt to the climate, but about the nattering and nagging from the nanny authorities who treat their citizens like ignorant children.
It is what you are adapted to. My Brazilian cousins want the heating on at 80 F. They do fine in Houston tier weather with homes designed for hot, humid "summers". Like hammocks on their flat roofs.
Germans are adapted to winter and massive snow loads. One size does not fit all. And that's the beauty of our diverse folk. Let nations change with charity and kindness, like many gentle years of organic choices, not by setting a bomb and blowing up an avalanche.
And that's assuming the what? Of the question "change into...?" is virtuous, beautiful, and / or wise?
Believe me. I lived in all kinds of climate. It takes at least a few months for you to be reasonably adapted.
And moving from cold to hot always seemed to me more complicated: you can put as many layers of clothing you want if you feel cold. Common decency and work rules require some minimal clothing even in a desert city in the summer.
this is so fucking retarded. I'm 54 playing tennis in florida right now in 95 degree weather.
it feels like a million degrees with the humidity on the hard courts....and wait for it...I'm drinking water and sitting in the shade between switching sides of the court. i'll live.
I once played in a regional softball tournament at a sunny 110°; our uniforms were black polyester. We hosed ourselves down between innings, and had a great time.
When I lived in Florida I survived summers working outdoors using the same strategy. Now when I visit (only in summer - otherwise it's too crowded) I stay inside my air-conditioned-to-subarctic hotel room from about 11 am until 4 or 5 pm, then enjoy the balmy evening and night.
Cold kills many more people than heat. I have been living in the middle east for the last 19 years and yes, unless you are so nuts to exercise at lunch time, heat is annoying but bearable, especially with A/C everywhere.
Right now it’s 33 in South Florida. No one is dying. But they display the same red heat maps on the television weather, superimposed with “feels like” temperatures, not actual temps. “Feels like” is usually 15 degrees higher!
yesterday here in GA it was 88 but supposed to feel like 101. It was not, the dog and I could comfortably walk outside in the shade. And today my cooling broke down. I think I will survive till they come out to fix it. The humidity is what causes me to be uncomfortable. I lived in AZ for a year and had no problems with the heat at all, even though I am originally from cool Belgium. Well not so cool these days. I just read that the retirement home dismissed the ball game due to the heat.
I think I've probably said something similar to you before, but my father and stepmother live in GA as well. As someone who has been in NM for the last 35 years, for the very most part, yeah, the humidity is what gets to me too.
I won't say that I necessarily *like* 105F and 10%, but I like it a hell of a lot more than 85F and 100% If there was anywhere on the planet that was 75F and 20% year round, I'd move there. ;)
Guess where one was born and raised makes a difference. My wife - from northern climes - melts into a pool of sweat immediately on going outside. To me, a South Florida native, it’s just a normal summer day!
I mean, I'm a Navy Brat. I was *born* in Oakland, CA, and spent the first 13 years of my life in CA, MA, VA, and HI. But this is where both sets of grandparents lived, so when my parents split, this is where myself, my younger sister, and my mom landed. And I've spent... most of my time here, generally speaking, with brief excursions to try and live in the Bay Area right out of college, and in Las Vegas, NV after my (ex-)wife finished her pharmacist's residency.
So, despite having been raised in coastal places, at least for the majority of my childhood, I am certainly *acclimated* to much drier climes now. 🤣
Well, yeah, 'cuz here in central FL it's just under 32° at 70% humidity (soon climbing to 80%). It feels like you're walking around under a hot wet blanket. Back home it's 38° at 16% and feels like mild summer. You get out of the pool and the air is actually chilly.
"Close the windows and hang up damp clothes to maximize chances of mold." Thank you Federal Republic of Germany for the excellent advice.
I will eventually get at least one dreaded portable AC to speed up climate change while selfishly cooling myself down but so far I've been putting it off because I'm a Europoor with third world mindset. I do have stowed away somewhere in the basement a real ghetto AC which functions more like a fan but can be filled with ice cubes to make it blow out cold air. It makes a "clank" every time the vents turn. It's been out of use for 5+ years because it doesn't get that hot in my city. But now climate change has reared its ugly head and has sent us a hyper mega killer death heat wave to claim the lives of German boomers. Brace for impact.
I was just thinking about him, wondering if he'll get processed for Wrong Think when he returns to Germany. Ice (free!) in soda. Hundreds of gas pumps in one single location. A/C cranked so high sweaters are required.... And available to all, with the will to implement.
Freddy is OUR kind of immigrant--we should trade him for one of the thousands of liberals who are "embarrassed to be an American.". Freddy was invited to the WH.
Dude, there are so many I would trade in a heartbeat. For one thing, folks who simply *actually want to be here because they like the place* is a big step over many immigrants these days, and a heck of an improvement over many natives who actively despise it.
Unlike traditional Christian theology—where Christ paid the price for sin completely and suffering is an ambient condition rather than a quota—climatism relies heavily on a works-based calculus of penance. You must feel the friction of restraint to offset your ecological guilt. This manifests in several ways:
Asceticism as Virtue: Modern asceticism involves choosing inconvenience or mild suffering—shunning air travel, enduring higher or lower indoor temperatures, adopting dietary restrictions, and reducing consumption. The discomfort itself is proof of moral alignment.
Over here in the UK, I haven't even dared to look at the "Gnews". (Not that I ever do anyway).
I'm just getting the downstream effects, as when you're standing downwind of someone with weakened anal sphincter muscles who had curried eggs and beans for breakfast... everyone FREAKING OUT about DANGER of DEATH!!!
Forget the World Cup: Germany and the UK are in a far more important competition to find out which country is the more demented. It's a close race...
... in the changing room, after being sent off: "yeah well we played well, played a blinder, obviously I'm totally gutted - sick as a parrot - that I'm not out there now, but it's a game of two halves know what I mean? I trust the team like, I know the boys will carry on the GREAT work without me".
That has a minor effect, but what really loads the city down is the asphalt roadways. I live 35 miles outside the city and slightly higher -- at night we're maybe 3°(F) cooler than Phoenix, but during the day the differential is 2x or 3x that.
The very town I live in owes its existence to... no air conditioning.
Before A/C, people in Phoenix used to wrap themselves in wet bedsheets and sleep on porches and fire escapes.
The rich would send their family to the "hot springs spa" at higher elevation for the entire hot season. They would get on the train and ride out to "Hot Springs Junction" (we've changed our name since), at which point they would sleep overnight at the hotel, then transfer to a stagecoach for their trip up to the mountain spa. Then in the fall, make the reverse trip.
The spa still operates. Its most famous guest was arguably JFK, sent there to recuperate after his PT boat incident.
Exactly the same here. I remember driving through Sacramento many years ago and checking the temperature; because of the pavement, city temps were 10°F higher than immediately outside the city.
Car exhaust and AC exhaust contribute to the heat also. It's a cumulative thing.
As an American, I am sitting in an air conditioned building at work, and my central air is running at home at the same time in my absence. God bless the USA. My heart goes out to my European brethren who did not skip out after 1848. Good luck.
I wanted to let the daft public health advice speak for itself, but one mildly interesting aspect of their hostility to portable AC units, is that they don't really seem to understand how they work. You don't just buy a room AC device and run a hose through an open window, you buy an insulating sleeve that you glue/velcro around the window to keep the exhaust air out. Installation is trivial and takes maybe 5 minutes. Are they super efficient? No. But they're good enough and you only them to cool one room (where you sleep) for about three weeks/year. Not a big deal.
I think the public health authorities are critical of portable AC units precisely because they are effective. If everyone takes to portable ACs they can't draw all this attention to themselves as the catastrophe saviors.
Exactly. Solutions that come from people themselves are _sinful_. "Solutions" from the transcendent Government are _virtuous_. Pay no heed to the trickering deceits from material existence, the very Father of Lies!
It's all very Gnostic.
Knowing the green struggles of the German Government they are likely afraid users will spread the word that the units work and the grid will not have the capacity to carry the A/C demand. Think California
Well, they shut down a bunch of nuclear power plants, what could go wrong?
Just wait until the hordes of Europeans return from the World Cup events America in mid-July, having experienced not only far greater heat, but air conditioning absolutely everywhere.
My AC is set at 69-70 F 24 hours a day in the summer, and the forecast is 95-105 F every day for the next two weeks (and most likely for the next two to three months). Most of my windows do not even open, but the ones that do will not be opened, because bugs/dust/pollen/heat, but I will open the shutters to let the sun shine in during the middle of the day if I so desire. I live in a sane area with plentiful, reasonably-priced electricity. My electric bill for two AC units in a 3300 SF house will be around $200 per month, and I consider it money well spent.
As a post menopausal woman, I’m with you! Bravo!!
Ditto!
Oh, didn't see your comment and commented more or less the same. Exactly.
And Germany played in Houston, and to make things more shocking in an Arena that was fully enclosed and air conditioned.
Another interesting trivia: One of the other giant stadiums in America that have Air Conditioning is in Atlanta, and it is called (Drum roll, please....) The Mercedes-Benz Arena!!!!!!
Yeah, but doesn't the exhausted heat get back in and make it hotter?
AHAHAHAHAH
100%
Wow. They probably have no personal experience with window air conditioning units. Perhaps, when the AfD gets into power, they can fire these idiots en masse, as they so clearly deserve. (And don't give them any unemployment benefits either.)
Sentence them to work in an Air Conditioner factory... and not a nice one... one with no internet routers... heh heh
The sad thing here is either the general population is really stupid enough to believe that non-sense, or the politicians think they are. On the other hand, enough of you voted for these morons.
There are two kinds of mobile AC devices.
The cheaper single block devices have a compressor in the room and transport the heat by blowing hot air through a hose. This does indeed cause the air pressure in the room to drop and warmer air will be sucked into the room from the outside, whether it’s the next room or outside the window. You can reduce this by using a sleeve, but you will never get your window airtight. I have gone so far as to replace the glass pane with a sheet of metal with a hole in it, and this actually prevented any outside air from getting in, but you don’t have a see-through window anymore, which some people may not like.
Of course all this doesn’t mean that this kind of AC won’t help at all, but it’s for small rooms only and will use a lot of energy.
The better solution is a split device, which has a separate box with a compressor and a ventilator, connected to the main unit by two hoses where hot liquid goes out and cooler liquid comes back in. No air is blown outside and therefore no air is sucked in. Having a box hanging out your window with a noisy compressor and fan may not help your popularity with your neighbors, however.
Absolutely true, but generally cold damp Germany is a good niche use case for these devices. I have split installed in 4 rooms myself, gets perhaps 6 to 8 weeks sporadic use a year.
And you can get them with the option of reverse cycle (where it blows hot air inside instead of cold). After all, split A/C units are the same thing as heat pumps.
Absolutely. I know a guy in south of Styria, where it is really hot for long weeks in Summer. He's installed air con., and he uses it about 10 days to 3 weeks a year.
I bought a split device recently and the fan unit is very quiet.
I used to live in an old apartment that had a window air conditioning unit that was permanently installed. It wasn’t pretty, but it blasted cold air into my 450 square foot efficiency apartment and kept me comfortable in the summer.
We used a Whynter ARC-148MHP 14,000 BTU Portable Air Conditioner with Heat for two summers and it worked great in cooling off about 500 sq ft of space when the outside temperature was up to the 90F with rather high humidity (60 to 70%). The unit was a bit noisy and we had to empty the moisture collecting drain bucket (a 5-gallon plastic bucket) at least once a day when the humidity was really high outside. Our model was a 1 hose unit which meant it provided heat to the room when it was below freezing as it operated using room air intake. If you can find a single hose unit, I highly recommend one.
The web link notes the unit as being dual hose https://whynter.com/product/whynter-arc-148mhp-14000-btu-dual-hose-portable-ac-heater/ the pictures, design and delivered unit we received only uses 1 house. The closest electrical generating plant to our substation was a nuclear plant just north or us.
The other idiocy (maybe pointed out by others already): The "wet cooling clothes" thing does not work in a closed environment. It is like opening the fridge and thinking it will cool your flat. The sum of energy i. e. warmth stays the same, especially if you follow the advice and close the windows 😂
Not that it is a good strategy to cool your house - but evaporating water does lower the ambient temperature. When a liquid evaporates it requires energy to turn into gas. That's the principle that sweat (or heat pump condensers) operate with. The heat gets "absorbed" in the water molecules when they change form. The fridge is a heat pump (transfers heat elsewhere in this case still in the same room), water vaporizing absorbs heat so they are different. When you sweat in a sauna you are still cooling yourself despite it being a closed system.
Thanks for the elaboration. I knew the mechanism (that's, for example, why an open glass of water or one half of an apple are somwhat cooler than the ambient temperature) but I didn't think it would matter much in a closed environment; I was mistaken in that respect, I myself have looked it up in the web today - same answer. So your flat gets somewhat cooler, but damper. Not a good bargain though, I think.
Rommel’s Afrika Corps famously eschewed portable air conditioners for this exact reason, they couldn’t get a good seal in the Panzers.
LOL!
Try Florida without central air conditioning.
They work to a decent extent even without the insulation, unless there’s a strong breeze blowing the exhausted hot air directly back in through the window.
Has Germany gone totally mad?
To think the German authorities are suspicious of AC units is almost charmingly technophobic, like the Koreans and electric fans.
I can’t imagine shutting all the windows and not running A/C during the summer. Even with a fan running, how would that work? Fans move air around. They don’t cool air, specifically. You can only use them to displace warm air with cooler air? Do they really recommend using ice cubes in front of the fan? Unlike portable or window unit A/Cs, refrigerators generally aren’t vented to the outside…, so that whole sending hot air back to the room thing actually does happen with them, right? Honestly, a republic that prevents politicians from issuing economic edicts sounds better and better, because politicians don’t take math or science exams before assuming their positions and we are seeing the consequences of that every day.
The Cynical Me thinks that the plan is to make people even warmer, and harvest some deaths to parade them in the media.
You Nazi Hitler fascist climate change denier!
It is simple enough to find a portable air conditioner that a)has wheels b) dual hoses one for intake, and one for outtake that goes into a sleeve that they give you that you put into the frame of your window, closing the window against it and viola’, you’re done… your air conditioner is not conditioning output air just the intake air
you know those worthless <multiple expletives deleted> publishing that "advice" have air conditioners.
rules for thee...
like most governments, if not for double standards they'd have no standards at all
> You don't just buy a room AC device and run a hose through an open window, you buy an insulating sleeve that you glue/velcro around the window to keep the exhaust air out.
Maybe *you* do, but, three times in my life now, I provably did not. I have installed both portable window ACs and those portable room ones (which are garbage, never use them), and, I have never gone to the effort of properly sealing the window to keep exhaust out.
I probably should have, but I didn't
It’s a miracle that people who live in hotter climates than Europe’s have survived so long without this helpful advice from Germany.
In Palm Springs it is 100-115 from June to September
Same here—it helps that it's a dry heat ;)
I have no AC. I practice window management.
> I have no AC. I practice window management.
It's a dry heat in Albuquerque too, but darlin', *fuck that*. 🤣🤣🤣
😜
I don't know how you can stand it. For me sitting on the porch, in the shade, reading a book, with a cold beverage, makes the 34C normal summer day in Tampa almost bearable until the inevitable (and welcome) 4 pm downpour hits. Then maybe I can handle a round of golf or a walk on the beach. But honestly, nothing short of an orgasm beats the relief of coming into AC after being outside.
Humidity has a lot to do with it. Admittedly, if I lived in the Midwest today, I might break down and get AC.
Well, German air conditioning is famous....
USA: A car has to produce ice fog within minutes of starting the car.
Germany: The same, after many, many hours - which consumes less energy.
Living in Florida I keep wondering "are all Germans this timid and/or stupid?" When do the adults in the room stand up to be counted?
Harsh - but fair. The Europeans are still working on the answer.....
Freddy and the other German tourists who are reporting on their visit for the soccer-fest get it. They mention air conditioning as if they've never experienced it, and now I know why.
What kinda German cars have you been in dawg? Mine produces ice cold air within a minute.
It took German OEMs ages to understand consumer requirements of North America and the Pacific rim. I saw a famous exchange between Ford Werke and Ford HQ in deepest Arizona. Both used the same words, neither understood each other, but only one was correct. And it was golfing time he was giving up to argue why it's important.
It was 105 in Austin today. 86 degrees would have folks putting on light jackets.
Maybe head south to New Braunfels where the Germans learned to acclimate to the heat, and built a water park to boot. With exposure to sun!
It's a miracle the Germans have, because I'm pretty sure that they've been having these sorts of temperatures forever (I know we have, for as long as I remember, and I live right next door; we call this phenomenon "summer").
I grew up in Bucharest in the 50s and the summers were HOT. 40 degrees Celsius was quit common, sometimes higher. At that time, I couldn't have imagined air conditioning.
Isn't it, though!
.welcome to a normal summer day in Alabama, Georgia, or Florida. We don't die , we adapt, we slow down.
This is such BS. When I was a child, my siblings and I used to visit my grandparents in Houston in the summer. This was the 1950s. They had no air conditioning. We fought about who got to sleep in front of an open window, where there might be a slight breeze. We were happy, and we were fine. My grandparents lived to a ripe old age. I am pretty sure there is no place in Germany as hot and humid as Houston in the summer.
Your grandparents may have been fine, but in fact elderly people are quite vulnerable to dying in the heat. I suspect you did have fans as well, which Europeans believe will turn you into a werewolf.
*runs out and buys a hundred fans*
"Promise?!"
My real point was not about the ability of normal people to adapt to the climate, but about the nattering and nagging from the nanny authorities who treat their citizens like ignorant children.
It is what you are adapted to. My Brazilian cousins want the heating on at 80 F. They do fine in Houston tier weather with homes designed for hot, humid "summers". Like hammocks on their flat roofs.
Germans are adapted to winter and massive snow loads. One size does not fit all. And that's the beauty of our diverse folk. Let nations change with charity and kindness, like many gentle years of organic choices, not by setting a bomb and blowing up an avalanche.
And that's assuming the what? Of the question "change into...?" is virtuous, beautiful, and / or wise?
I don't think acclimatization is a lifelong process. You can get used to changed weather in a shorter time.
Believe me. I lived in all kinds of climate. It takes at least a few months for you to be reasonably adapted.
And moving from cold to hot always seemed to me more complicated: you can put as many layers of clothing you want if you feel cold. Common decency and work rules require some minimal clothing even in a desert city in the summer.
It's not lifelong, no, but moving from Hawaii to Albuquerque in December was... unpleasant.
When will Communist Climate Hysteria be properly challenged?
When our masters need more electricity to run their data surveillance centers.
That's already happening. Suddenly energy efficiency is not so important.
When the leeches are full of cash
this is so fucking retarded. I'm 54 playing tennis in florida right now in 95 degree weather.
it feels like a million degrees with the humidity on the hard courts....and wait for it...I'm drinking water and sitting in the shade between switching sides of the court. i'll live.
I once played in a regional softball tournament at a sunny 110°; our uniforms were black polyester. We hosed ourselves down between innings, and had a great time.
That's a good story. But black attire had to be brutal.
I must admit I bring a change of clothes and jump in the pool between sets.
When I lived in Florida I survived summers working outdoors using the same strategy. Now when I visit (only in summer - otherwise it's too crowded) I stay inside my air-conditioned-to-subarctic hotel room from about 11 am until 4 or 5 pm, then enjoy the balmy evening and night.
Cold kills many more people than heat. I have been living in the middle east for the last 19 years and yes, unless you are so nuts to exercise at lunch time, heat is annoying but bearable, especially with A/C everywhere.
But unlike in the Middle East, Europeans believe A/C causes numerous maladies.
Right now it’s 33 in South Florida. No one is dying. But they display the same red heat maps on the television weather, superimposed with “feels like” temperatures, not actual temps. “Feels like” is usually 15 degrees higher!
yesterday here in GA it was 88 but supposed to feel like 101. It was not, the dog and I could comfortably walk outside in the shade. And today my cooling broke down. I think I will survive till they come out to fix it. The humidity is what causes me to be uncomfortable. I lived in AZ for a year and had no problems with the heat at all, even though I am originally from cool Belgium. Well not so cool these days. I just read that the retirement home dismissed the ball game due to the heat.
I think I've probably said something similar to you before, but my father and stepmother live in GA as well. As someone who has been in NM for the last 35 years, for the very most part, yeah, the humidity is what gets to me too.
I won't say that I necessarily *like* 105F and 10%, but I like it a hell of a lot more than 85F and 100% If there was anywhere on the planet that was 75F and 20% year round, I'd move there. ;)
Guess where one was born and raised makes a difference. My wife - from northern climes - melts into a pool of sweat immediately on going outside. To me, a South Florida native, it’s just a normal summer day!
I mean, I'm a Navy Brat. I was *born* in Oakland, CA, and spent the first 13 years of my life in CA, MA, VA, and HI. But this is where both sets of grandparents lived, so when my parents split, this is where myself, my younger sister, and my mom landed. And I've spent... most of my time here, generally speaking, with brief excursions to try and live in the Bay Area right out of college, and in Las Vegas, NV after my (ex-)wife finished her pharmacist's residency.
So, despite having been raised in coastal places, at least for the majority of my childhood, I am certainly *acclimated* to much drier climes now. 🤣
Well, yeah, 'cuz here in central FL it's just under 32° at 70% humidity (soon climbing to 80%). It feels like you're walking around under a hot wet blanket. Back home it's 38° at 16% and feels like mild summer. You get out of the pool and the air is actually chilly.
"Close the windows and hang up damp clothes to maximize chances of mold." Thank you Federal Republic of Germany for the excellent advice.
I will eventually get at least one dreaded portable AC to speed up climate change while selfishly cooling myself down but so far I've been putting it off because I'm a Europoor with third world mindset. I do have stowed away somewhere in the basement a real ghetto AC which functions more like a fan but can be filled with ice cubes to make it blow out cold air. It makes a "clank" every time the vents turn. It's been out of use for 5+ years because it doesn't get that hot in my city. But now climate change has reared its ugly head and has sent us a hyper mega killer death heat wave to claim the lives of German boomers. Brace for impact.
Are you certain your ghetto AC has an updated electrical cord?
When you plug it in and turn it on, you could be responsible for the end of the world 😂
What is your opinion of Freddy the German? He is seeing the best of America during the World Cup. We have monster stadiums with air conditioning.
I was just thinking about him, wondering if he'll get processed for Wrong Think when he returns to Germany. Ice (free!) in soda. Hundreds of gas pumps in one single location. A/C cranked so high sweaters are required.... And available to all, with the will to implement.
'A/C cranked so high sweaters are required'
When going to the grocery store or visiting friends, I've learned to take a jacket.
This is the one issue I have with AC here in the south. Every business seems to think that the hotter it is outside, the colder it must be inside.
I know, right? Why must it be frigid?
Freddy is OUR kind of immigrant--we should trade him for one of the thousands of liberals who are "embarrassed to be an American.". Freddy was invited to the WH.
Dude, there are so many I would trade in a heartbeat. For one thing, folks who simply *actually want to be here because they like the place* is a big step over many immigrants these days, and a heck of an improvement over many natives who actively despise it.
Yes, I did wonder if Freddy had commented on our AC.
He has, I believe it was at the indoor stadium in Houston.
Unlike traditional Christian theology—where Christ paid the price for sin completely and suffering is an ambient condition rather than a quota—climatism relies heavily on a works-based calculus of penance. You must feel the friction of restraint to offset your ecological guilt. This manifests in several ways:
Asceticism as Virtue: Modern asceticism involves choosing inconvenience or mild suffering—shunning air travel, enduring higher or lower indoor temperatures, adopting dietary restrictions, and reducing consumption. The discomfort itself is proof of moral alignment.
Over here in the UK, I haven't even dared to look at the "Gnews". (Not that I ever do anyway).
I'm just getting the downstream effects, as when you're standing downwind of someone with weakened anal sphincter muscles who had curried eggs and beans for breakfast... everyone FREAKING OUT about DANGER of DEATH!!!
Forget the World Cup: Germany and the UK are in a far more important competition to find out which country is the more demented. It's a close race...
Mr Starmer KC is available for interviews!
... in the changing room, after being sent off: "yeah well we played well, played a blinder, obviously I'm totally gutted - sick as a parrot - that I'm not out there now, but it's a game of two halves know what I mean? I trust the team like, I know the boys will carry on the GREAT work without me".
It's as if Lord Hermer and Sir Starmer were in the room. 'Come on you blues!'
Let’s take the highest temp on that map: 29C. That’s 84.2F.
This is NOTHING. Man up, it’s called “summer.”
Literally smaller than Texas, why not drive to Switzerland for a couple of weeks? Or Bohemia.
it's pretty pleasant in northern Germany along the coast as well right now.
Hey! I was in Rostock in the middle of winter. I can well believe that summer is welcome there
Yes, just start driving up the nearby mountains!
Yeah, people in Phoenix really suffer from all the heat being dumped outdoors by the air con....
That has a minor effect, but what really loads the city down is the asphalt roadways. I live 35 miles outside the city and slightly higher -- at night we're maybe 3°(F) cooler than Phoenix, but during the day the differential is 2x or 3x that.
It's the “heat island” effect. My point was that AC isn't making life unlivable in Phoenix, it allows life in Phoenix.
The very town I live in owes its existence to... no air conditioning.
Before A/C, people in Phoenix used to wrap themselves in wet bedsheets and sleep on porches and fire escapes.
The rich would send their family to the "hot springs spa" at higher elevation for the entire hot season. They would get on the train and ride out to "Hot Springs Junction" (we've changed our name since), at which point they would sleep overnight at the hotel, then transfer to a stagecoach for their trip up to the mountain spa. Then in the fall, make the reverse trip.
The spa still operates. Its most famous guest was arguably JFK, sent there to recuperate after his PT boat incident.
https://www.castlehotsprings.com/
Exactly the same here. I remember driving through Sacramento many years ago and checking the temperature; because of the pavement, city temps were 10°F higher than immediately outside the city.
Car exhaust and AC exhaust contribute to the heat also. It's a cumulative thing.
As an American, I am sitting in an air conditioned building at work, and my central air is running at home at the same time in my absence. God bless the USA. My heart goes out to my European brethren who did not skip out after 1848. Good luck.
1800 and 48?
Not.
Not.
1700 and 76?
The failed European revolutions of 1848.
German speaking immigration to the USA noticeably increased after that.
Thank you. That's very good to know.
So I looked at my WW weather app, and it tells me today the highs are:
92° In London
83° In Berlin
97° In Paris
95° in Milan
I’m sorry, but 92° is a warm spring day in Memphis. Sure is a lot of caterwauling over there for a nice, sunny day.
Enjoy it!
waydaminute.... 92 in your money is 33 Celsius (plus small change). London, 33C. What's the fuss about? Unusual, but not unbearable...