How strange it is, that Chinese researchers began promoting pangolins as a SARS-2 reservoir exactly as Western virologists were composing their ecumenical endorsement of natural origins for Nature
How strange it is, that Chinese researchers began promoting pangolins as a SARS-2 reservoir exactly as Western virologists were composing their ecumenical endorsement of natural origins for Nature
Some distant history to refresh your memory: On 17 March 2020, the virologists Kristian Andersen, Andrew Rambaut, Ian Lipkin, Edward Holmes and Robert Gary published a statement in Nature on “The proximal origins of SARS-CoV-2.” Its purpose was to kill lab-leak theories in the womb by presenting an artificial, calculated ‘consensus’ view that “SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.” Its argument depends in part on virus sequences recovered from smuggled pangolins, which have receptor binding domains nearly identical to those in SARS-2. The press reported the
I subscribe to the point of view that "appeal to authority" is a logical fallacy. In my engineer's way of thinking, it is "I can't defend this point effectively, but somebody really smart says it is correct. We aren't allowed to examine how he/she came to that conclusion."
The history of medicine is replete with stuff that we view as simply insane today. Of course, our "Authorities" are so much smarter than those that injected all sorts of mercury compounds back when. I wonder what the authorities of that time would have said? "Follow the Science", no doubt.
Sounds about right. My favorite vignette on that score was that jackanapes, piece of shit Don Lemon making sneering remarks about people who did their own research..
I regularly see terrible or ignorant medical advice delivered to patients from doctors (in the role of experts / authority). Regardless of topic. If they aren't originally of an inquiring mind, people working in the clinic all day generally don't have time or motivation to keep up with new research findings, and if they didn't read the paper, they don't have the information. Even wonderful specialists are only specialists in their own field: the hematologist prescribes medicine to pregnant women that alter developing brain cells, unfamiliar with neurology publications.
Anyone who sets foot in a doctor's office Must do their own research to verify what they're being advised to do. This also includes getting a second opinion from other medical professionals in a different practice when it is a matter of importance.
The same goes when caring for your pets: just this week, 2 wrong doses on prescribed medicine that we, as non-veterinarians, identified by doing our own research online and verifying with a different vet. And this is after asking the original vet, "Is this dose correct for a 3-kg cat?"
Snide people are of course welcome to not do their own research and enjoy the consequences. Let's just hope they don't have cats.
I'm beginning to think the best thing to do is learn all you can about health care, nutrition, and first aid on your own, and avoid creatures like doctors or veterinarians like the plague unless it's absolutely unavoidable.
The American Medical Association, The CDC, The FDA, The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine, The WHO among others and for example? That's all they ever do... 🤔
Those are among what The Blue-Pilled Pinheads consider to be "authoritative sources". Besides all branches of government (not just "government agencies") and large corporations, include all universities, professional and medical schools in your list as well: All of them are proven, venal, pathological liars.
Our society can't function under these circumstances.
Measured by off-shore bank accounts of the ruling crowd's friends and family, these authoritative structures are doing a marvelous job. Who's next in line to plunder the masses?
In America, the Democrats don't even want Robert Kennedy Jr. to be able to address a hearing on Censorship. And RFK, Jr. is easily in first place on public figures censored and smeared in the last four years.
A (real) journalist for The Washington Stand wrote a great summary of RFK Jr.’s remarks at the Congressional Hearing on Government Censorship. This is the hearing where 102 Democrats tried to prevent RFK, Jr. from speaking.
It’s a quick read that highlight’s Kennedy’s excellent remarks. I added a few of my own thoughts. This move will no doubt boomerang on the Censorship Industrial Complex. What those censors really did was throw ‘B’rer Rabbit into the briar patch.
What I always check is whether a source, institution, or person finds it impossible to define what a woman is. If they do => whatever they say gets automatically deleted or downloaded into my mental folder named "lies".
We were looking for a good realtor and live in a blue area. If they included pronouns in their agent bio on Zillow, we ruled them out. Made it easier to make a good choice out of the much smaller pool that was left.
I read that people are less likely to invited for a job interview if they include pronouns in their application. No idea how reliable this study was - but it makes sense as in "Why court trouble by inviting a Very Special Snowflake to work for you?"
A few decades ago, I needed a new fence for my home in an outer suburb of the Washington, DC area. One company's representative showed up in a luxury sedan. The second one showed up in a pickup truck. Guess who gave the lower quote andd got the contract?
BTW, isn't "Nature"magazine touting the myth that men can become women?
Going back to March 2020, when we first heard that bat-eating Chinese were responsible for covid, my boss memorably said, "WTF kind of crazy people eat BATS?"
Soon after, she asked, "WTF is a pangolin?"
Neither bats nor pangolins was a plausible explanation for covid, even among people who bought into masks and the mystical "social distancing."
And yet this bizarre theory persists--along with "gender-affirming care" as actual science & medicine.
These poor pangolins, man someone should half humorously set up a go-fund me to rehabilitate their image and tie it into the lies they perpetrated. It was interesting to watch the public more viscerally recoil from the beagles that Fauci/NIH needless tortured during their experiments about sand flies than the obvious millions of humans affected by the release of this virus from a US funded lab experiment.
I also remain convinced that no pangolins in nature have a similar corona virus- only ones in captivity in their labs.
Well, considering they're endangered by continually being illegally poached for human food, maybe we should spread a few more rumors about the poor creatures.
New semi-serious theory on corona origins and 'unexplained' deaths since: The American populace is en mass committing 'Arkansas suicide' because we are all driven to despair over the Sin of '16. I'm coming Vince!
Seriously interesting that so many people have been maligned as conspiracy theorists on this, as well as many other events, since there are several statutes describing conspiracy crimes, for which one can be tried and convicted, *even if no one actually performs any acts in the conspiracy plan*.
The act of merely conspiring to commit crimes, is a crime, by itself. A pressing question for this criminal conspiracy, it seems, is this. Was it merely a conspiracy to defraud the US or does it meet the definition of sedition?
It's a reworking of an Edward Lear nonsense rhyme that I was the orator for at St John's primary school's production of 'The Dong with the Luminous Nose'... I kid you not.
Well damn, don’t most of us have serious concerns by now - about all of it? I will likely be dead when, years and years in the future, something resembling the truth is “unclassified”...when my grandchildren are old - if they survive any of it.
I don't know specifics, and wouldn't be allowed to comment upon them if I did. However, I've heard that there is information dating to WW II or even earlier that remains highly classified. A good (UK) example of this is the details over how they broke Enigma. Even absent something being "state secrets," remains the eternal problem of history being a pack of lies. I've not researched it in depth, but I do hold with the general-purpose "conspracy theory" that much of what we're taught as "history" is at best one faction's account, with a generous heaping scoop of good old-fashioned bulllshit, as well as ruthless squelching of any possible dissident or disconfirming claims.
the thing with pangolins, is they're not really good virus hosts. they're too solitary, and viruses like social animals. i don't think anybody believes these are pangolin-adapted sarbecoviruses. *if* what we're told about the samples and their origins is true (a very big if), the pangolins had the viruses from some other host, the smugglers or other animals they were smuggling.
Yes, a very valid point. Several inferences could be drawn, for possible investigation. Unless exceptional precautions are present (e.g. BSL-3, BSL-4), it would seem nearly inevitable that animals (including humans) would be exposed to pathogens that they'd rarely if ever encounter in the wild. On the one hand, pathogens adapted to one host would be unlikely to spread to an unrelated potential host. On the other hand, Nature is all about natural selection and trying out new "opportunities." That previously untapped host might just be a suitable host for the bug.
So the scientists at Wuhan could have been working with these pangolin viruses in the lab for seven months (March-October 2019) and then the virus leaked due to human error. What is so implausible about this hypothesis that it needs to be ruled out in favor of the seafood market?
Let's also point out that the scientists mentioned in this article were also tasked in the past with defending the natural origins of Ebola and Zika. Zika for one uses some of the same biolab molecular tools that Covid does, which are among the most well known and widely used biolab tricks.
I wrote this in the comment :. If the story had been told as it should, it would be - a man went to the market with a sick bat. The sick bat transferred its sickness to an almost extinct pangolin, that was on the market with its owner. then the pangolin got sick, all in that same day, and transferred its sickness to a few people, who immediately started spreading it. Hm. No one would have believed that would they?
Yes, well, I've about reached the point that ANYTHING I hear from any authoritative source, I automatically assume it's some kind of self-serving lie.
"I have rules I live by. The first is that I believe nothing my government tells me."
..George Carlin
Too bad about the 95% of the population that trusts them so implicitly they willingly took 1 - 5 doses -- or more -- of hi-tech rat poison.
I subscribe to the point of view that "appeal to authority" is a logical fallacy. In my engineer's way of thinking, it is "I can't defend this point effectively, but somebody really smart says it is correct. We aren't allowed to examine how he/she came to that conclusion."
The history of medicine is replete with stuff that we view as simply insane today. Of course, our "Authorities" are so much smarter than those that injected all sorts of mercury compounds back when. I wonder what the authorities of that time would have said? "Follow the Science", no doubt.
Sounds about right. My favorite vignette on that score was that jackanapes, piece of shit Don Lemon making sneering remarks about people who did their own research..
The "experts" unanimously agree that ONLY "experts" are competent to perform meaningful research. Just ask them.
Yeah, well having been at the recieving end of their expertise my entire life guess what they can suck on?
I regularly see terrible or ignorant medical advice delivered to patients from doctors (in the role of experts / authority). Regardless of topic. If they aren't originally of an inquiring mind, people working in the clinic all day generally don't have time or motivation to keep up with new research findings, and if they didn't read the paper, they don't have the information. Even wonderful specialists are only specialists in their own field: the hematologist prescribes medicine to pregnant women that alter developing brain cells, unfamiliar with neurology publications.
Anyone who sets foot in a doctor's office Must do their own research to verify what they're being advised to do. This also includes getting a second opinion from other medical professionals in a different practice when it is a matter of importance.
The same goes when caring for your pets: just this week, 2 wrong doses on prescribed medicine that we, as non-veterinarians, identified by doing our own research online and verifying with a different vet. And this is after asking the original vet, "Is this dose correct for a 3-kg cat?"
Snide people are of course welcome to not do their own research and enjoy the consequences. Let's just hope they don't have cats.
Or dogs.
I'm beginning to think the best thing to do is learn all you can about health care, nutrition, and first aid on your own, and avoid creatures like doctors or veterinarians like the plague unless it's absolutely unavoidable.
Like the French used to say: "as false as a bulletin"
An authoritative source can be identified by its self-serving lies?
The American Medical Association, The CDC, The FDA, The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine, The WHO among others and for example? That's all they ever do... 🤔
None of those could ever qualify as authoritative sources by my definition.
But then, government agencies and large corporations are inherently disqualified.
Those are among what The Blue-Pilled Pinheads consider to be "authoritative sources". Besides all branches of government (not just "government agencies") and large corporations, include all universities, professional and medical schools in your list as well: All of them are proven, venal, pathological liars.
Our society can't function under these circumstances.
That is the ONLY way the entire fake medical mafia can be propped up. It surely does not deliver breathtaking results and healthy outcomes.
A lot depends on ones definition of functioning.
Measured by off-shore bank accounts of the ruling crowd's friends and family, these authoritative structures are doing a marvelous job. Who's next in line to plunder the masses?
Blue pill takers don't have a use for authoritative sources.
I guess your definition of "The Blue Pilled" differs from mine..
In America, the Democrats don't even want Robert Kennedy Jr. to be able to address a hearing on Censorship. And RFK, Jr. is easily in first place on public figures censored and smeared in the last four years.
A (real) journalist for The Washington Stand wrote a great summary of RFK Jr.’s remarks at the Congressional Hearing on Government Censorship. This is the hearing where 102 Democrats tried to prevent RFK, Jr. from speaking.
It’s a quick read that highlight’s Kennedy’s excellent remarks. I added a few of my own thoughts. This move will no doubt boomerang on the Censorship Industrial Complex. What those censors really did was throw ‘B’rer Rabbit into the briar patch.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/democrats-try-to-censor-rfk-jr-at?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
What I always check is whether a source, institution, or person finds it impossible to define what a woman is. If they do => whatever they say gets automatically deleted or downloaded into my mental folder named "lies".
We were looking for a good realtor and live in a blue area. If they included pronouns in their agent bio on Zillow, we ruled them out. Made it easier to make a good choice out of the much smaller pool that was left.
I read that people are less likely to invited for a job interview if they include pronouns in their application. No idea how reliable this study was - but it makes sense as in "Why court trouble by inviting a Very Special Snowflake to work for you?"
A few decades ago, I needed a new fence for my home in an outer suburb of the Washington, DC area. One company's representative showed up in a luxury sedan. The second one showed up in a pickup truck. Guess who gave the lower quote andd got the contract?
A quick, good formula to use . Merci !
Hi Capt.
I did reach that point some time ago . It was obvious ; easy .
Get all the way to that point .
I'm there... 🤔 Have been for at least the last three years..
BTW, isn't "Nature"magazine touting the myth that men can become women?
Going back to March 2020, when we first heard that bat-eating Chinese were responsible for covid, my boss memorably said, "WTF kind of crazy people eat BATS?"
Soon after, she asked, "WTF is a pangolin?"
Neither bats nor pangolins was a plausible explanation for covid, even among people who bought into masks and the mystical "social distancing."
And yet this bizarre theory persists--along with "gender-affirming care" as actual science & medicine.
gender affirming = sex denying
The truth they didn't tell anyone was that they don't eat bats and the SEAFOOD market had neither bats nor pangolins.
Another state secret!
These poor pangolins, man someone should half humorously set up a go-fund me to rehabilitate their image and tie it into the lies they perpetrated. It was interesting to watch the public more viscerally recoil from the beagles that Fauci/NIH needless tortured during their experiments about sand flies than the obvious millions of humans affected by the release of this virus from a US funded lab experiment.
I also remain convinced that no pangolins in nature have a similar corona virus- only ones in captivity in their labs.
Well, considering they're endangered by continually being illegally poached for human food, maybe we should spread a few more rumors about the poor creatures.
Coincidences.
Lots of people dying from "coincidence" these days.
Large numbers are dying coincidentally from Covid "vaccination."
New semi-serious theory on corona origins and 'unexplained' deaths since: The American populace is en mass committing 'Arkansas suicide' because we are all driven to despair over the Sin of '16. I'm coming Vince!
As The Jam sang in "Beat Surrender",
"bullshit is bullshit, it just goes by different names".
Does Jelly provide backing vocals? :-)
A little more clarification please:
Are pangolins and bat soup back on the menu?
Asking for a friend.
Seriously interesting that so many people have been maligned as conspiracy theorists on this, as well as many other events, since there are several statutes describing conspiracy crimes, for which one can be tried and convicted, *even if no one actually performs any acts in the conspiracy plan*.
The act of merely conspiring to commit crimes, is a crime, by itself. A pressing question for this criminal conspiracy, it seems, is this. Was it merely a conspiracy to defraud the US or does it meet the definition of sedition?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
Perhaps, it is both.
"Show me the man and I will show you the crime"
..Lavrenty Beria
The Bat and the Pangolin
BY E WAR LEA
I
The Bat and the Pangolin went to sea
In a beautiful gene-spliced boat,
They enticed with 'honey', invested plenty of money,
As bent as a three-dollar note.
The French builder bat looked up to the stars above,
And sang to a small guitar,
"Quelle pandemie? Quelle pandemie!,
Quelle belle pandemie,
You are,
You are!
What a beautiful Pandemie you are!"
II
Pan-Go-Lin said to the Bat, "You elegant foul!
How charmingly sweet you plot!
O let us be married! too long we have tarried:
And laugh whilst society rots."
They sailed away, for two weeks to flatten the curve and a day,
To the land where the Bong-Tree grows
And there in a wood a P(ig)olitico stood
With a ring at the end of his nose,
His nose,
His nose,
With a ring at the end of his nose.
III
"Dear Pig, are you willing to sell for ten percent of one shilling
Your ring?" Said the Piggy, "I will, (cash or offshore)."
So they took it away, and were married next day
By the Turkeys who live on the hill.
They dined on mince, and slices of quince,
Which they ate with a runcible spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of a large pentagram,
They danced by the light of the moon,
The moon,
The moon,
They danced by the light of the moon.
Clever poet you are!
It's a reworking of an Edward Lear nonsense rhyme that I was the orator for at St John's primary school's production of 'The Dong with the Luminous Nose'... I kid you not.
42 years ago... The answer to everything. Isn't life strange?
Well done!
Made my evening! Thanks.
Well damn, don’t most of us have serious concerns by now - about all of it? I will likely be dead when, years and years in the future, something resembling the truth is “unclassified”...when my grandchildren are old - if they survive any of it.
Don’t count on it, they just reclassified the Kennedy assassination documents.
I don't know specifics, and wouldn't be allowed to comment upon them if I did. However, I've heard that there is information dating to WW II or even earlier that remains highly classified. A good (UK) example of this is the details over how they broke Enigma. Even absent something being "state secrets," remains the eternal problem of history being a pack of lies. I've not researched it in depth, but I do hold with the general-purpose "conspracy theory" that much of what we're taught as "history" is at best one faction's account, with a generous heaping scoop of good old-fashioned bulllshit, as well as ruthless squelching of any possible dissident or disconfirming claims.
>smuggled pangolins, which have receptor binding domains nearly identical to those in SARS-2
Is there a way of checking on the pangolin end of things? It would be very telling if they weren't particularly susceptible to this virus for example.
the thing with pangolins, is they're not really good virus hosts. they're too solitary, and viruses like social animals. i don't think anybody believes these are pangolin-adapted sarbecoviruses. *if* what we're told about the samples and their origins is true (a very big if), the pangolins had the viruses from some other host, the smugglers or other animals they were smuggling.
Solitary in nature, but what about in a lab? The Science acknowledges the animal was involved but gets ahead of the framing by saying it was natural.
Yes, a very valid point. Several inferences could be drawn, for possible investigation. Unless exceptional precautions are present (e.g. BSL-3, BSL-4), it would seem nearly inevitable that animals (including humans) would be exposed to pathogens that they'd rarely if ever encounter in the wild. On the one hand, pathogens adapted to one host would be unlikely to spread to an unrelated potential host. On the other hand, Nature is all about natural selection and trying out new "opportunities." That previously untapped host might just be a suitable host for the bug.
Everyone involved in these crimes against humanity deserves hard time.
In a Gibbet
I thought a pangolin was a musical instrument.
It does have "scales".
Or as Bismarck is rumored to have said, "never believe anything until it's been officially denied.."
So the scientists at Wuhan could have been working with these pangolin viruses in the lab for seven months (March-October 2019) and then the virus leaked due to human error. What is so implausible about this hypothesis that it needs to be ruled out in favor of the seafood market?
To me, all roads lead to Fauci. AIDS and HIV, Sars-CoV-2, many nasty things. All big money makers.
If Fauci were any older I would flatter him with the herpes virus. (Kidding) But I would infect him with it.
Let's also point out that the scientists mentioned in this article were also tasked in the past with defending the natural origins of Ebola and Zika. Zika for one uses some of the same biolab molecular tools that Covid does, which are among the most well known and widely used biolab tricks.
https://husseini.substack.com/p/scientists-who-falsified-covid-origins
https://medquotes.substack.com/p/not-new-spike-guillain-barre-heat
https://medquotes.substack.com/p/bullous-blisters-after-spike?
Toby Rogers published a substack some hours ago about this.https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/the-spectacle-of-covid?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=436968&post_id=134255090&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
I wrote this in the comment :. If the story had been told as it should, it would be - a man went to the market with a sick bat. The sick bat transferred its sickness to an almost extinct pangolin, that was on the market with its owner. then the pangolin got sick, all in that same day, and transferred its sickness to a few people, who immediately started spreading it. Hm. No one would have believed that would they?