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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Living in a part of the US with a large number of immigrants from Eastern Europe, I can tell you that a very large percentage of them want absolutely nothing to do with these "vaccines." The first voices I heard calling bovine scat on this scam back in March of 2020 were these people, right from the start. Growing up under communism, they've developed a very healthy mistrust of government, something we in the west need to learn...and fast.

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Ki's avatar

"The fish rots from the head down" as the Hungarians say. You can't fool these people into thinking the Gov has their best interests in mind.

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Moritz's avatar

We have almost the same saying in German!

„The fish stinks from the head“

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Ema's avatar

In italian too! ..must be true, then! ;)

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Rikard's avatar

Sweden too! "Fisk ruttnar från huvudet!", literally "fish rots from the head".

About ukrainian refugees: they are being harassed and attacked by arab and african negro migrants. Night before last, a mob of arab and negro men tried to force their way into a refugee center to (probably) assault and molest women and children hiding there.

And swedish socialist democrat press is calling allowing ukrainians to come to Sweden racist, and are calling for stopping them at the border - these are the same media that supported the Islamic State, the Taliban, Hamas and and AQiM. Some are state media journalists, some corporate.

Also, socialist democrat and communist as well as liberals are demnading the refugees be forced to work as to pay their way while living in refugee centers. These are the same politicians that allow arab and african migants to live here for free on welfare all their lives if they want to - even if they go on "vacation" to the area they've "fled" from.

The socialist and liberal fish are all head, it seems.

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Moritz's avatar

It‘s similar in Germany. Several Ukrainian women have been molested by „Afro-krainians“ (how the press calls them) some reportedly even flew back to Poland.

But the media is generally pro-refugees.

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AnCap's avatar

In Spanish - "Por la boca muere el pez." Fish dies by its mouth.

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JG's avatar

Not the same meaning though. It's a warning against talking too much, too many secrets, or to the wrong people. The value of being discreet , if you like.

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Rikard's avatar

Isn't it about not just swallowing (i.e. accepting or buying) anything just because it looks appetising, seeing as the nice thing might conceal a hook?

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

My buddy from Bulgaria is an airline pilot for Delta and his parents were apparatchiks for the Bulgarian Communist government. They still live in Bulgaria and are still big fans of Stalin. He has adamantly refused to get a jab. Delta is the one airline that relented on their mandate, so he is still making a living. I am appalled that United Airlines fired unjabbed employees and is now inviting them to come back to work. Safe & Effective...

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Jim Foye's avatar

I predict your friend will be making double what he makes now in another year or two, as more jabbed pilots find themselves too sick to fly.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Could very well be. However, if these high gas prices cause a recession, there could also be massive layoffs...

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YYR's avatar

Delta charged an unvaxxed surcharge on health insurance of $200/month, iirc. Not just appalling, but ass-backwards.

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uselesseater's avatar

And should be challenged in court

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DAVID YOUNGMAN's avatar

Exactly. Many who made those idiotic decisions should be held accountable. SHOW US THE DATA.

They can't, couldn't and if they do now it'll triple to imbecilic woke factor they thought they had the authority to enforce on their work force!!

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Georgi's avatar

It is also telling precisely who are the guys who rushed for the jabs. In Bulgaria those were mostly part of the inteligencia and the well paid professional in the big cities. They hate Trump and Putin, despise the uneducated rural community folks and because they listen to cnn and bbc they think they represent the bright future of the world. They are very loud and if you watch the mainstream TV you would think you are in the 'Being Antony Fauci' movie. The uneducated people doing mainly physical work have shown far superior intelligence in those two years. Hats down to them. They keep the real economy turning and have shown us all what mind autonomy means. I think we need to roll back and reevaluate everything we think we know. We might've gotten it right with the jabs but there are so many other things we do without really questioning them - pay taxes, agree having secret agencies, vote just once per 2/3/4 years for puppets, ...

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BigE's avatar

You are so right! We left our big-town church after decades because leadership became surrogate enforcers of this satanic psy-op. After months of searching, we landed in a healthy rural church populated by farmers and rough-handed workers. Tons of kids, and men outnumber women. There is no anti-Covidian ranting.. rather, the whole circus is ignored.

Our own spiritual complacency was revealed to us with this experience. Now, Sunday is the highlight of our week.

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Peter Dawson's avatar

They will reap what they have sown.

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DAVID YOUNGMAN's avatar

To all the dismissed UNjabbed pilots now being "invited back" ... I'd tell them I'll come back and fly for you if you pay me THREE TIMES what I would have made if you hadn't made that insanely STUPID woke decision to fire me in the first place. Other wise suck an egg and good luck finding ANY pilots who'll come and work for you. Maybe check with some flight attendants and see if they know where the gas pedal is on a 777.

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Texpat's avatar

United Airlines is the absolute worst. Do not fly the unfriendly skies. I witnessed a male steward basically assault a sleeping woman in first class whose mask had fallen off.

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Karen Sams's avatar

My grandmother's family was from Slovakia. She would go back every so often to visit and would come back with horror stories. The commies even took a cousin away for speaking against communism...he was never seen again. I am VERY outspoken about what is going on.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

So many that I know mention, unsolicited, that what is happening in the US gives them flashbacks to communism. A new collectivism is forming--the world needs to come together to fight covid/climate change or whatever other nonsense they can drum up to gain power at the expense of individual liberty.

It is absolutely evil.

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YYR's avatar

Norm Eisen has been cooking up a color revolution for years during Trump, just like he did in Ukraine and elsewhere. Everything that happened here the past few years was by design, following the regime change playbook perfectly, yet somehow, it's a conspiracy theory. 😒

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MichelleD's avatar

And we in the US need to start listening to those who have escaped communism. The weather vanes of the zeitgeist.

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Georgi's avatar

Yes, exactly. Even if the vaccines were from the fountain of youth itself: if it is pushed by the government then run the other way. This has become a survival instinct in eastern europe and for that matter not only because of the communism. Soon enough we saw that the new "democracy" guys are no different.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

It's to the point now where if government officials explained that a dirty bomb had exploded 5 miles away and that I needed to evacuate my home, I would probably stay, so suspicious am I of them.

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YYR's avatar

Depends on if they're escorting me to safety via boxcar.

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Georgi's avatar

US however proves also that there is still hope: Florida with De Santis. I would move there if I could

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

A great governor. I really like that he punches back and never backs down from unfair leftist charges.

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Bandit's avatar

Yeah, just shut the windows and pray. No one from the gov't is getting me to much of anything they say.

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MichelleD's avatar

LOL

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uselesseater's avatar

Think Tuskegee

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DAVID YOUNGMAN's avatar

Think Auschwitz

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MichelleD's avatar

Because they are marxists in disguise.

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KB's avatar

the satanic spirit of 1) wanting to control other ppl and 2) force them to do something against their will. It's all the same as pedophilia... taking advantage of others who are too weak to speak for themselves or who are easily taken advantage of. Objectifying others is another way of defining it...not able to see another human as 'not an object' but a loving human, able to give and receive love. When you have no sense of 'self' and you hate yourself deep down, you want to steal the innocence and freedom from others whom you perceive to have something which you do not. That is freedom and innocence, it is given to every one of us by God, but many do not know they possess it and do not need to try to steal it from others. This world is getting out of hand and for sure God will come down hard on those who are oppressing the meek.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Excellent comment. I agree, this is satanic. Stay close to God. Pray, prepare, help everyone who needs it when the time comes.

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Bandit's avatar

From your lips to God's ears.

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kathsith's avatar

This divide goes right through germany. In the former GDR / Eastern germany, there are regions with only 30% vaccination rate (Erzgebirge in Saxony), while vaccination rates over 95% can only be found in Western german states.

Most people in Eastern germany painfully had to live through and learn what a systematic exclusion of dissidents in a society feels like, while most of those who grew up in the West believe at face-value whatever TV and outlets like SPIEGEL tell them to think up to this day. For those eastern germans, the alarm bells started ringing early when they saw how criticism was "addressed".

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Amazing. I suspect something similar in America, if we are talking geography, where I would suppose quite high vaccination rates among certain groups in major cities (and low rates among others), but rural areas generally much lower rates. It all depends in large part on how much trust one has in "experts", I suppose. My definition of an "expert" is someone that is a well-paid liar that hides deceit in complexity. But I'm a bit cynical...

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Interesting. I didn't realize there was such a divide in Germany. I strongly suspect that vaccination numbers are inflated by a good amount. All part of the psy-op to make us feel marginalized.

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Silva's avatar

I have long thought that the supposed percentage vaccinated in each country was based on focus-group testing within that population to find the optimal number to get people to take the shot. It has to be high enough to trigger the "herd mentality" desire to fit in, but not so high that it leaves no room for the alleged percentage vaccinated to be revised later on, or that it leads people to believe that whatever supposed benefit there is to universal vaccination will have already largely occurred. It is, after all, the people with an obvious and self-stated desire to "persuade" everyone to be vaccinated who are giving us these statistics about how many people have already taken the jab. Can we trust them to give us the unvarnished truth over what they think will "nudge" us toward the behavior that they wish to see elicited?

I know... stop laughing.

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Good comment. I have lost trust, completely.

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Silva's avatar

I had thought my fellow Americans would have more of that in them. By virtue of our founding and what the founders of the country were about, We're supposed to be suspicious of government and conscious of how it will always try to grow its own power at the expense of our freedom, and that it will do so at any and every opportunity. Yet so many of my countrymen, even here in my red state, just did (and do) as they were told... they feel fear on command, and do as they are told even when even the most cursory examination of the facts demonstrates the obvious and irreconcilable contradictions.

Eastern Europeans are among the most ardently anti-communist and pro-capitalist people you will ever meet, though!

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

It has been surprising. People I thought would never get jabbed were among the first to roll up their sleeves. I am hopeful though, since many I've spoken with tell me they are not getting any boosters.

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Clark's avatar

If the government was so concerned about the health of Americans the FDA wouldn't take an inexpensive natural form of vitamin B6, pyridoxamine, which has anti-glycating, anti-lipid peroxidation, anti-neuropathy benefits, off the market because of a petition by a startup drug company that spent 100 million dollars up through phase ll clinical trials to try to turn the nutrient into a drug, and of course, ultimately charge many tens of times more. As it turned out the company changed hands a few times change the drug names couple times and after over 20 years there is not been any progress for about 7 years, and it may never come to market as a drug; in the meantime the public is deprived of this disease preventing nutrient. Fortunately, the company Life Extension, shortly after it was taken off the market in 2013, found an alternative form of B6 that is perhaps just as good or maybe better, if initially more expensive, pyridoxal 5'-phosphate. I discovered recently the FDA is trying to do a somewhat similar thing with the grandfathered in nutrient and N-acetyl-L-cysteine, which many people take, and which has been used in combination as a therapeutic for Covid-19. Interesting that the year the FDA first started this procedure was in July 2020. Hopefully there will be more pressure and more success by the industry and the public this time than previously. N-acetylcysteine is also approved as a drug but in different forms, inhalation or intravenous, not oral. There are many examples of nutrients which are also prescription drugs, such as fish oil, vitamin D3, and many more, and it doesn't hurt the company's bottom line because doctors usually prescribe the prescription version, even if it's much more expensive.

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PamelaDrew's avatar

or even taken the pandemic as an opportunity to give Americans universal health care like the rest of the developed world if public health were a priority.

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Clark's avatar

I just corrected the year the FDA started the process to try to remove N-acetyl-L-cysteine from the market to July 2020, not 2021, which is even more appropriate regarding the time the government was trying to suppress early cheap and effective treatments.

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Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

It is still available in Canada but for how long?

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Clark's avatar

It is still available in United States also. I think the FDA has no standing based on precedent to remove this from the market. I've been taking it for over 30 years. Other people rely on it for COPD, and other things. It raises glutathione in the body, especially the lungs. The FDA is the most corrupt of the numerous corrupt US agencies, and the most dangerous because their policy decisions can and do negatively affect the lives, health, and mortality of millions of people.

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deathcap's avatar

Yep. I have very, very few people I can talk to about this openly in my friend group. The one guy who totally gets it? My friend who fled Bosnia as a child. Everyone else is way too trusting.

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Natasha Graham's avatar

The best thing I have done to increase my happiness is to pursue deeper relationships with people who believe in liberty. I attend Freedom potlucks with like-minded people I connected with online, and I have become far more active in my Church. I have friends who are the only outliers (i.e. rational ones) amongst their friends and families. They are emotionally depleted, stressed, and overwhelmed. The comment most prevalent amongst newcomers at Freedom events is, "I thought I really was the fringe minority. There are so many of us!" I live in the most Covidian enclave in North America, so I know how tiring Endless Government Dungeon is. Courage, friends.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

People yearning to breathe free. Enslavers never seem to rest; they can't stand to see people enjoying their lives. Its for the children.

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Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

The same situation in Canada and Australia yet the majority, especially in Canada are still blind to the lies. This is one thing I find very puzzling. Of course I suspect it's true that those of certain mindsets never trusted the government in our lifetimes - except perhaps briefly when younger.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Its not only people that are truly blind to the lies, though. It is much easier to trick your mind into going along with a popular lie and maintain status in the group, than to stand against it on behalf of the truth, and be cast out. Its terrifying to be ostracized, and many, if not most will go along with lies to avoid it. And whether one goes along with lies clearly does not depend on intellect; its something else in the human heart entirely. This is a large part of why propaganda is so effective.

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Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

Being an isolated person before this, I guess I was less terrified of being ostracized.

Can you - or anyone else - really pinpoint what that 'something else in the human heart' really is?

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

I'm not sure if this will answer your question to full satisfaction, but to paraphrase Alexander Solzhenitsyn, as best I can tell is that the "something else in the human heart" is a line between good and evil. Easier for some to cross, than others...

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Lysias's avatar

Canada was the first to have a trucker convoy.

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Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

And a damn good one too! Shame that it took the wind out of our sails thanks to the idiotic mishandling by the T-boy. It's hard to regroup after the way it ended. Still went to a freedom rally - the worldwide one - last Saturday. What do we do next?

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Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

True but no country has kicked out the controllers completely. Perhaps that's impossible unless we change the definition of 'country'.

Everytime I look, I find the conspiracy is even deeper and more widespread than I thought. https://stateofthenation.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/BLACK-NOBILITY.pdf

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John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Excellent point.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

I love it. I'm staying in Kyiv. I fear Russian bullets less than German needles. Nurses shoot straighter.

And, for what it's worth, the educated Ukrainians I hang with are very skeptical of the jabs. I had that very conversation at a playground this morning, as we listened to Russian rockets in the distance.

Das soll ich auch auf deutsch schreiben. Wie koennen soche kluge Leute so dumm sein?

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Georgi's avatar

Yep, I am moving back to eastern europe and don't care if I will be poor. Our national hero fought for freedom with the well known 'Give me freedom or give me death'. How come we give up our freedoms for a freaking corona virus. Germany needs some fresh rebellious blood. Welcome to all Ukrainians ...and Russians for that matter. Do not comply!

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Weil sie so ausführlich "gebildet" sind. Sie lesen Die Zeit und haben alle dieselben Meinungen. Ausserdem haben die Deutschen seit mehr als siebzig Jahren eine sehr besondere Art Selbsthass gelernt.

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

Und Selbstmord genoss immer hohes Ansehen. Jetzt ist die Gelegenheit!

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Abstand halten! Maske tragen! Flüchtlinge willkommen!

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Andreas Oehler's avatar

And it was all logical up to this point, nicht wahr?

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James's avatar

Man lernt das hier in den USA auch schnell.

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cm27874's avatar

Für mein Zeit-Abo kann ich mich auch nur selbst hassen. Zur Strafe kaufe ich mir am Wochenende manchmal auch noch die FAS.

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Ich komme aus Schottland und lebe in einem Ort in den USA voller Covid Fanatiker und Gutmenschen und Leute die auf einmal von Ukrainischen Nationalisten begeistert sind. Irgendwie kenne ich mich aber auch aus mit der deutschen Kultur. Heisst es nicht FAZ? Oder ist FAS eine neue Zeitung wie Brigitte oder Gala?

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James's avatar

Ich lebe an der Küste im tiefen Süden, und die Covid-Fanatiker sind hier relativ wenig, obwohl die Lage in den Großstädten natürlich was anders ist. Man erfährt keinen offenen Haß unter den Menschen, wie in anderen Teilen der USA. Vor allem scheint es mir, daß man sich häufiger an das Ammenmärchen hält (Covid und Ukraine), wenn man in den technischen oder professionellen Bereichen arbeitet. Man hätte glauben können, daß es fast keine Corona-Krise gäbe, solange man nicht zum Arzt oder in die Notaufnahme geht. Ein Sonderfall war in der Daimler-Fabrik. Es ist dort eine wirkliche Dystopie. Überall Maskenpflicht, Impfpropaganda, und eine allgemeine Furchtstimmung. Gelegentlich beim Pendeln sieht man diese Schilder oder elektronische Anschlagstafeln, womit die Behörden es versuchen (ganz zärtlich aber), das Publikum zum Impfaufnahme zu motivieren. Sie nützen wie unter den ukrainischen Flüchtlingen das "Soft-Sell" (eine diskrete Verkaufstaktik).

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Die Covid Fanatiker sind überall hauptsächlich nervöse Frauen aus der Mittel und Oberschicht mit einem tiefen Ressentimentsgefühl und daher einem starken wenn auch perversen Willen zur Macht, oder? Natürlich gehören auch einige dünnen, verweiblichten Jungs mit diesen zarten, zeitgenössischen Stimmen auch dazu. "Gender is like totally a social construct anyway. OMG."

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James's avatar

Viele davon scheinen äußerlich ganz nett (die Frauen, meine ich). Und vielleicht sind sie doch. Manche wollen nur das Richtige tun. Sie schenken den Medien bzw. ihren Ärzten viel Vertrauen. Es fällt ihnen nicht ein, daß diese Vertrauenspersonen etweder quasi ignorant oder sogar böswillig sind. Es kommt nicht in Frage. Und ihre Männer helfen nicht. Auf der anderen Hand habe ich auch solche begegnet, wie du beschreibst. Insbesondere bei Whole Foods, aber auch mal im Westen von Washington. Du schreibst übrigens sehr gutes Deutsch. Ich mußte mal im Internet gucken, was "Ressentiment" bedeutet. Es stammt eigentlich aus dem Französischen...

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BigE's avatar

Roll Tide!

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BigE's avatar

Wohnen Sie in Vermont? Dah (hier) gibt es viele Deutche expats. "Covid Fanatiker" <= gut gesagt!

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Nein. Ich wohne in Chicago. Es ist viel schlimmer. Dort habt ihr zumindest natürliche Kühe.

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Hier haben wir nur gestrandete Walen mit Masken und Aktivistinnen.

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cm27874's avatar

Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung - ein Ableger der FAZ, aber nach meiner Einschätzung so eine Art Versuchsballon: weniger FAZ, mehr woke.

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pebbleanttoast's avatar

Ich habe ein Abo zu Tichys Einblick. Die haben auch jeden Morgen einen guten Nachrichten Podcast. Und Boris Reitschuster bekommt von mir den GEZ Beitrag gespendet.

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cm27874's avatar

Mein Gegengewicht ist eine Patenschaft für die Achse des Guten.

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God Bless America's avatar

What is truly going on? Here in the United States our media is so untrustworthy I don’t believe a thing they say… In our smaller alternate media we have heard things such as United States biolabs with unexplained illnesses occurring in the Ukrainian people surrounding them… The Criminals in an our government money laundering through the Ukrainian government… it goes on and on and on… When I get a chance I try to ask people who are truly in the country to find out what’s going on. Any thoughts?? 🙏🙏🙏

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God Bless America's avatar

Prayers for safety from bullets and kill shots!

I wish I knew German… 🙏🙏🙏

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Freedom's avatar

Ich wundere mich das auch. Alles Gute Wunsch Ich ihnen.

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God Bless America's avatar

English? Sorry, I know a little Spanish, but no German… It’s sad on my part because my father’s people were German decent…

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Freedom's avatar

My grammar might be off but my comment was “I wonder that as well. I wish you all the best. (Bet the comment seemed better when there was still some mystery 😆) (My first language was German but don’t speak as often anymore, living in Canada now)

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AgainsttheLies's avatar

Is the city more or less OK to be in at the moment, then? Are the Russian rockets merely or mainly in the distance?

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Graham Seibert's avatar

See Bob Homans' reports, which I post daily on my blog. Today's comment goes to that topic https://grahamseibert.substack.com/p/bob-homans-march-21?s=w

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Lena's avatar

My family and I are helping a Ukrainian family settle into Austria. Today I had to explain to them that - above and beyond the horror and uncertainty they are experiencing - none of them would be allowed inside a restaurant or cafe here in Vienna without 2G proof. Except for the 9 year old who could take a PCR test. They looked at me in such shock and honestly I’m not sure they fully understand. They didn’t ask where they could get vaccinated though!

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Jim Foye's avatar

Tell them not to have their kid tested. No one - no one! - needs those inquisition q-tips jammed up their nostrils. Or any other kind of "test" they come up with.

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Irena's avatar

Perhaps they actually believed Western propaganda about human rights? Either that, or it simply never occurred to them that someone could come up with something quite so preposterous. Anyway, welcome to Freedom and Democracy(TM).

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Jestre's avatar

My family member was diagnosed with cancer in a town just outside of Kyiv about a decade ago. She went to her friend who is also a doctor for a second opinion. Well, let's just say her friend explained everything and she did not have cancer. It's not because they understand freedom, per se, its because many of them understand human nature and what the medical system will gladly do to people for a few dollars more.

There are other reasons, of course, but I would say freedom is low on the list.

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God Bless America's avatar

Thank you for helping them settle but they sure don’t need a killshot! I am a football referee and I refereed tonight with a young man who had been injured by the Pfizer vaccine. At anytime he can start having palpitations and has to stop! He was only 31 years old… sad and evil 👿🔥🔥🔥

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Lena's avatar

Very very sad. I would never encourage anyone to get it, but I had to explain the rules to these Ukrainians so that they would not feel confused and embarrassed when rejected from restaurants and cafes here. 😕

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God Bless America's avatar

Thank you for helping them. Who is forcing the shots now? Is it the government or the actual businesses?

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Lena's avatar

City government has made the rules, but mostly enforcement is up to the business establishments. Unfortunately, in Vienna the businesses seem to always enforce and ask for proof of vaccination or recent recovery before allowing you to sit down or order. I think they are afraid of fines if caught not enforcing.

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God Bless America's avatar

Here in the USA we have a big variety in government rules. It all varies state to state. Some states are very authoritarian while others are very lax and allow the people to make their own decisions. I believe our federal government would LOVE to see all of us enslaved… unfortunately, a lot of the Woke/leftist/authoritarian businesses do the Devil’s bidding… they want to control everything!

My family and I live in a relatively easy-going state. The only mandates are for the federal workers and their contractors. Several businesses have tried to mandate the shot but get a lot of pushback. My son works for a Business that makes aluminum and has several Government contracts. Many of the welders/machinists got together and said if the business mandates the shot, they will all QUIT at The same time… So they have not mandated the shot! I think they realize that they will go out of business if they try to force this issue! Workers have POWER if they will stick together! They also tried to mandate testing, but the workers said no, so they dropped that rule also… they also tried to force masking, but most the workers don’t comply… Again, workers have POWER if they stick together!

Also, a lot of workers in businesses are wearing masks (grocery stores and restaurants) but many workers do not comply with this either! It is so nice to see people’s faces again.

My husband is a school teacher and the mask mandates have been dropped in our county for months… Unfortunately, it’s not like this everywhere… just, sad… 😢. I feel like we are raising a fearful, neurotic next generation… 😢😢😢

Prayers and blessings for you and yours 🙏🙏🙏

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Day0's avatar

Might try what our MX immigrants do--claim refugee/sanctuary status. Shame anyone objecting as Putin stooges.

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Gail Finke's avatar

That is crazy.

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Day0's avatar

"No abla Englais; sin papeles." The globalist open borders virtue signaling folds in on itself.

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J Wolfmoon's avatar

I was going to start with unbelievable! But that’s just not the case. It’s all too believable. How did it all come to this? When in war and refugee-ship you can’t even escape the vaccinators. Crazy.

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The Green Hornet's avatar

When you run from the Nazis and end up in the neo-Communist jab-cult crazy West. Kinda surreal, ain’t it?

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Good Citizen's avatar

Parody and satire were killed. Now irony is dead and it wasn't killed by Alanis Morrissette lyrics. The entire hysterical covidian borg that morphed into the ukrainian borg are supporting neonazis and antivaxxers and if you don't pledge your undying support for neonazis and antivaxxers in Ukraine than you are a Putin apologist and he is like, literally Hitler. Long live irony.

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Diana's avatar

Great post, powerful final lines.

I can't even imagine. As someone who has been fortunate enough to travel widely in my salad days, I quickly learned that it was often the most beneficent seeming and well-meaning hosts who were to be feared. Better, really, to stay in a mismanaged and dank hostel than be barraged with the culturally specific social pressures of people with firm ideas of what should be done, when, and how.

Now, I envision being a refugee (responsible for the family I now have), at the mercy of people who think they know what is best for me and my children because of the good fortune of their birth and circumstance, people who with every passing minute are able to build themselves up as the virtuous ones in the relationship. When you are poor or unlucky, richer and luckier people feel superior to you, regardless of your education and life experience. Add any kind of medical care or treatment to this and the power imbalance (and contempt) is magnified. Yes, the comment about approaching the topic with "sensitivity" may seem comparatively generous, but it is in fact exceedingly contemptuous, just as the topic of vaccinating "people of color" is one filled with patronizing attitudes. Of course we know better than these people, so our job is to put on an act of listening and being sensitive in order to get what we want.

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

It is all so foul.

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finnbuck's avatar

Diana, very well said. And here I think that (with my unclean unv-d status) I'm being discriminated against and lorded over by frantically fearful but nonetheless superiorly placed apex feeders here in my bah-loooo karenstan. Nothing like what these people have met in the places they think will be safer....

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Bandit's avatar

🙌

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RS Weir's avatar

Fleeing one tyrant right into the arms of another....perfect

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Andreas Stullkowski's avatar

My family took in three Ukrainian refugees, and while they are very unhappy with the Russians, they see their own government also as corrupt.

No wonder that they do not trust any government, and taking the vaccine is largely an expression in trust in government.

Note: I do not know if the refugees I talked to are vaccinated. as one is 70, and they are educated middle class, I could imagine they are. But by now I know better than to have any discussion about that.

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BigE's avatar

What!!? They don't trust government? What is wrong with these people? /s

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pandelis's avatar

yeah well ukies ... what do you expect? as trump says lets get boosted!!

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

You still under that spell?

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Cindi's avatar

E., we’ve been facing this issue at our southern border w/ Mexico since the idiot-in-chief took office. I live in a blue border State so that’s been maddening enough, but the whole country is effected, as not only are the illegals not even tested or mandated to be vax’d to enter the country, but then they are put up in hotels & then on busses & planes - all free of charge to fan out all over the country to spread wu-flu & other 3rd world diseases everywhere….

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Handsome Pristine Patriot's avatar

How else are the commie-dems going to steal the election this fall?

They sure as hell aren't going to get elected in the normal fashion after what they've done to us.

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Cindi's avatar

It worked brilliantly in 2020, even w/out millions of illegals who will get to vote this year & 2024….

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Jen's avatar

I wonder how they can rent apartments and such - I needed lots of documentation to rent my first apartment out of college - and my young nieces and nephews cant even afford rent these days so this all makes no sense to me - they fly people to all these cities and drop them off? Then what

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The Beach Is My Bliss's avatar

Taxpayer money funneled through nonprofits.

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Cindi's avatar

Then they get every f’ing social service on the planet that is NOT available to legal US citizens.

Illegals are allowed into this country, no questions asked, no vax mandate but I, a US citizen & mother of an Air Force Boot Camp graduate, was denied attending his graduation

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Jen's avatar

we need to get rid of all these tyrannts

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Day0's avatar

If a landlord or prospective employer asks for anything they don't have, it's considered discrimination. HUD sends testers around and responds aggressively to any reports of possible discrimination. Today, you're better off "sin papeles."

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Jen's avatar

wow - I have not rented in A LONG TIME - so no proof of income anymore?

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Bandit's avatar

Not for them, no.

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Bandit's avatar

The gov't puts them up in the hotels/apartments/whatever. They don't have to pay for it!

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Day0's avatar

The other diseases, e.g., pertussis, are real problems, but as to 'rona, the unvexxed immigrant wave may be the best thing that can happen to us. At least they'll have some natural immunity soon, if they don't already. As to the vexxed, with full papers or not, it's not looking too good.

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Cindi's avatar

The powers that be will still discriminate & blame the unvaxed for ANY uptick in “cases”, hospitalizations, death - esp come election 2022 which will coincide w/ annual cold-flu-rona season & more esp if they “win” via hook & crook. You can bet they’re planning for that

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Truth Wagon: 2+2=4's avatar

How effing ironic that this is the Mayor of NURNBERG. How many times will I say, “there are no words...”?

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Bash's avatar

Sometimes I read these stories and think its satire

Thats how ridiculous it is

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GT's avatar

Remember, they are ex-soviets, so they don't trust governments (for a good reason, backed by bad experience). Most likely the same percentage that want to be vaccinated also want to have fascist government (but are WAY louder than the rest - something like libtards here in US)

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SCA's avatar

Aside from the actual human tragedies, of course, this is quite an entertaining new stumbling-block.

The US solved it, though, for our southern border. Since our vaccines still have only EUA, they can't legally be compelled on non-citizens or green card holders. This has of course been a source of irritation to all those firemen and cops and healthcare workers forced out of their jobs. But c'est la guerre, I guess...

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LJ's avatar

I thought of that contradiction too. While it’s hypocritical, I’m actually sympathetic and glad they didn’t force them.

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M. Dowrick's avatar

Smart to decline.

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