Actually, there is another way to look at it. When one considers that the soulless meat puppets who have been coldly pushing this just announced that have 25 million doses of this poison ready for 5 - 1 1 year olds across the nation, there is only ONE way to look at it: you're in a war for your existence. At this point, with the data and facts piling up around us like horse manure, there is no other conclusion. Whether its malevolent intent or plain stupidity caused by decades of ever-increasingly evil behavior, reality is what it is: there is a death cult who wants to kill you and your family. Take off the blinders. It's time to fight.
I read the UK report and the cited passage. It is a very interesting remark, and without a good explanation.
The report also goes on to - finally say out loud - that antibody levels are not a good way to measure covid protection, and are probablistic at best. I have always maintained that if antibodies are not the answer; if we maintained antibodies to all viruses we have contracted our blood would be sludge.
Antibodies are measured because they are easy to measure. But that doesn't mean they are very useful to measure. It is our one analytical test, and so we measure and measure and when things get difficult we just say "ok we are gonna measure it HARDER now"
T & B cell measurements are still technologically challenging and difficult to scale.
Our only truly useful tool is observational - seeing who gets sick - and that generates a charged response
The public health bureacracy is once again calling for lockdowns and societal restrictions in the face of "increased cases and hospitalizations". Any sane mind would realize that this will accomplish little, cause a lot of harm, and at best simply prolong the inevitable
I was hospitalized with severe covid back in August, but once I got into the hospital and started receiving care, I recovered very quickly and was discharged within a week. It was an awful experience and I've never come so close in my life to feeling like I was literally dying. I got both Remdesivir and convalescent plasma and one or the the other turned me around. (I'm guessing the CP)
I've known two other people with similar risk factors - also overweight men with in their 40's with families - to me who were also hospitlized. One died and the other is currently in the hospital and slowly deteriorating.
I am struggling mightily with survivor's guilt right now, but I also know that they were both vaccinated and weren't on the same supplement regimen - D3, zinc, Mg, quercetin, K2, C - that I was on when I was infected. I think the combination of those two factors are what kept me from succumbing.
In a sane world, this would merit immediate cessation of the catastrophic mass vaccination pogrom. Even the faintest pretense that this is for the “public health” can no longer be sustained with a straight face. Unfortunately, we live in Clown World, and sanity has long since departed this planet.
Geert Vanden Bossche is looking very much like a prophet at this point. It's only a matter of time until Delta mutates and we see complete immune escape. When that happens you'll be happy you didn't get the jab.
I've heard a few dissident doctors say that mass vaccination during the middle of an epidemic is colossally stupid, precisely because this kind of stuff (and ADE) is likely to happen. Much better to let the epidemic burn itself out and THEN vaccinate to prevent future epidemics.
But the worldwide govt-media establishment fanned the flames and just HAD to get rid of Trump and they appear have had no other choice to try and turn down the panic but to pump out these "vaccines".
I wish this site had some expert, pro-vaxx readers willing to engage. As it is, each side is speaking in a sealed bubble and there is no genuine debate.
This is not a criticism of your post. Rather, I want to hear both sides but it's hard to find responses from pro-vaxxers on very specific issues like these.
I think you should look at Figure 3 instead of Figure 5 from the UKHSA 42 week report. Note the S and N levels are the same at time of vax campaign starting.
Check out this whopper I saw on page 26 of that report.
"Estimates suggest that 127,500 deaths and 24,144,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the COVID19 vaccination programme, up to 24 September.
Neither of these models will be updated going forward. This is due to these models being
unable to account for the interventions that would have been implemented in the absence of
vaccination."
So what if they went back and "performed interventions (AKA like early treatment like MAbs and IVM, etc) that would have been implemented in the absence of vaccination" on those infected from the beginning of this pandemic? Might the model not support this broad citizen-wide vaccination program? You bet your arse they wouldn't!
So the screeching fanatics accusing us of being potential burdens to the medical system are more likely to get sick again and again in the long term and become potential burdens to the medical system? *Emperor Palpatine Voice* Ironic.
So what we're really getting at here is that unless our public health officials own up to their errors, we're going to be in an endless pandemic, and even if they do, they may have created a monster in that most of the population will forever be susceptible to COVID. This all works out very well for the already-bloated Pharma and Med industries and power hungry politicians and bureaucrats, but not so well for the rest of us.
I suspect that the attenuation of immune response is very real, but not yet borne out by the first graph you show. As far as I remember my high school biology classes, the body only produces antibodies when it detects an infection. Once the infection clears, immune cells in the bone marrow add the antibodies' design to their "library", so they can recall them quickly, but then stop producing them. Therefore over time, you will always see flattening levels until you get reinfected with a similar looking disease agent.
But I might be totally wrong, would appreciate your comment.
Note in the last paragraph of the last page of the PHE report (page 26), "Neither of these models will be updated going forward. This is due to these models being unable to account for the interventions that would have been implemented in the absence of vaccination. Consequently, over time the state of the actual pandemic and the no-vaccination pandemic scenario have become increasingly less comparable. For further context surrounding this figure and for previous estimates, please see previous vaccine surveillance reports."
Actually, there is another way to look at it. When one considers that the soulless meat puppets who have been coldly pushing this just announced that have 25 million doses of this poison ready for 5 - 1 1 year olds across the nation, there is only ONE way to look at it: you're in a war for your existence. At this point, with the data and facts piling up around us like horse manure, there is no other conclusion. Whether its malevolent intent or plain stupidity caused by decades of ever-increasingly evil behavior, reality is what it is: there is a death cult who wants to kill you and your family. Take off the blinders. It's time to fight.
I read the UK report and the cited passage. It is a very interesting remark, and without a good explanation.
The report also goes on to - finally say out loud - that antibody levels are not a good way to measure covid protection, and are probablistic at best. I have always maintained that if antibodies are not the answer; if we maintained antibodies to all viruses we have contracted our blood would be sludge.
Antibodies are measured because they are easy to measure. But that doesn't mean they are very useful to measure. It is our one analytical test, and so we measure and measure and when things get difficult we just say "ok we are gonna measure it HARDER now"
T & B cell measurements are still technologically challenging and difficult to scale.
Our only truly useful tool is observational - seeing who gets sick - and that generates a charged response
The public health bureacracy is once again calling for lockdowns and societal restrictions in the face of "increased cases and hospitalizations". Any sane mind would realize that this will accomplish little, cause a lot of harm, and at best simply prolong the inevitable
I was hospitalized with severe covid back in August, but once I got into the hospital and started receiving care, I recovered very quickly and was discharged within a week. It was an awful experience and I've never come so close in my life to feeling like I was literally dying. I got both Remdesivir and convalescent plasma and one or the the other turned me around. (I'm guessing the CP)
I've known two other people with similar risk factors - also overweight men with in their 40's with families - to me who were also hospitlized. One died and the other is currently in the hospital and slowly deteriorating.
I am struggling mightily with survivor's guilt right now, but I also know that they were both vaccinated and weren't on the same supplement regimen - D3, zinc, Mg, quercetin, K2, C - that I was on when I was infected. I think the combination of those two factors are what kept me from succumbing.
In a sane world, this would merit immediate cessation of the catastrophic mass vaccination pogrom. Even the faintest pretense that this is for the “public health” can no longer be sustained with a straight face. Unfortunately, we live in Clown World, and sanity has long since departed this planet.
ICYMI, el gato malo dug into this data and the concept of original antigenic sin today as well: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/original-antigenic-sin
Geert Vanden Bossche is looking very much like a prophet at this point. It's only a matter of time until Delta mutates and we see complete immune escape. When that happens you'll be happy you didn't get the jab.
I've heard a few dissident doctors say that mass vaccination during the middle of an epidemic is colossally stupid, precisely because this kind of stuff (and ADE) is likely to happen. Much better to let the epidemic burn itself out and THEN vaccinate to prevent future epidemics.
But the worldwide govt-media establishment fanned the flames and just HAD to get rid of Trump and they appear have had no other choice to try and turn down the panic but to pump out these "vaccines".
I wish this site had some expert, pro-vaxx readers willing to engage. As it is, each side is speaking in a sealed bubble and there is no genuine debate.
This is not a criticism of your post. Rather, I want to hear both sides but it's hard to find responses from pro-vaxxers on very specific issues like these.
How can we entice them to come over and discuss?
I think you should look at Figure 3 instead of Figure 5 from the UKHSA 42 week report. Note the S and N levels are the same at time of vax campaign starting.
Check out this whopper I saw on page 26 of that report.
"Estimates suggest that 127,500 deaths and 24,144,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the COVID19 vaccination programme, up to 24 September.
Neither of these models will be updated going forward. This is due to these models being
unable to account for the interventions that would have been implemented in the absence of
vaccination."
So what if they went back and "performed interventions (AKA like early treatment like MAbs and IVM, etc) that would have been implemented in the absence of vaccination" on those infected from the beginning of this pandemic? Might the model not support this broad citizen-wide vaccination program? You bet your arse they wouldn't!
So the screeching fanatics accusing us of being potential burdens to the medical system are more likely to get sick again and again in the long term and become potential burdens to the medical system? *Emperor Palpatine Voice* Ironic.
This is shaping up to be the greatest scientific disaster in human history
Can you and Alex do a podcast together please? Thank you.
So what we're really getting at here is that unless our public health officials own up to their errors, we're going to be in an endless pandemic, and even if they do, they may have created a monster in that most of the population will forever be susceptible to COVID. This all works out very well for the already-bloated Pharma and Med industries and power hungry politicians and bureaucrats, but not so well for the rest of us.
The Darkness of Man's Hubris is a terrifying place where the Edolons of the Id dance in Naked Nightmare.
To quote the American Poets Stephen Vincent Benet: "Our Fathers & ourselves have sowed Dragons' Teeth... Our children know & suffer the Mad Men."
I suspect that the attenuation of immune response is very real, but not yet borne out by the first graph you show. As far as I remember my high school biology classes, the body only produces antibodies when it detects an infection. Once the infection clears, immune cells in the bone marrow add the antibodies' design to their "library", so they can recall them quickly, but then stop producing them. Therefore over time, you will always see flattening levels until you get reinfected with a similar looking disease agent.
But I might be totally wrong, would appreciate your comment.
Note in the last paragraph of the last page of the PHE report (page 26), "Neither of these models will be updated going forward. This is due to these models being unable to account for the interventions that would have been implemented in the absence of vaccination. Consequently, over time the state of the actual pandemic and the no-vaccination pandemic scenario have become increasingly less comparable. For further context surrounding this figure and for previous estimates, please see previous vaccine surveillance reports."