A lot has happened since I last wrote, most of it relating to an enormous wintry island called Greenland, which was first settled by the Norse in the Middle Ages and which has been a part of the Danish kingdom since the eighteenth century.
Trumps reaction towards Norway is reminiscent of the CCP reaction to dissident Liu Xiaobo receiving the prize in 2010. China too acted as if the winner is chosen by the Norwegian government, and not the independent committee (albeit selected by parliament) who actually does it.
The Chinese punished Norway with a break in diplomatic relations for 6 years, leading to massive economic costs for export industry and to Norwegian leaders having to grovel at the stinky feet of Chinese leaders for years to reestablish economic ties. But the Chinese reaction was seen more as a sort of natural disaster, where moral condemnation was futile, than an action by rational political actors, and so much negotiating was done in the shadows to appease the asian super power. In the case of Trump however, condemnation is now unanimous.
One great irony here is that this years Nobel prize has been heavily criticized in Norway for being Trump-friendly, in that it went to a Trump-supporter. Criticism of the committee – who once awarded the prize to Obama for merely giving nice feels – from the left is rare to say the least. And now anyone in Norway who's ever been even neutral to Trump (very, very few) will be attacked with variants of "how do you nationalists like him now??" A portion of the very few Trump-supporters still like him, and have to balance the joy of seeing eurocrat Støre being pressured with the depressing fact of our country and economy again being used as a geopolitical pawn. As you have argued, this is all in all very bad for any Norwegian mega/maga-sympathizers, and even just the center-right. Sad.
This is an interesting and possibly unintentional contrasting point, but it sounds like the Norwegian ruling elite feared and respected China but not the US President. This is arguably the problem. It's much easier to have polite relations with someone who never asks you to do anything you don't want to do (eg Biden).
Yes I was partly alluding to this, altho the state leaders didnt necessarily "fear and respect" China so much as just having to deal with their irrational response because of serious economic consequences. Imo we/they should have told China to fuck off, and tried to sell our salmon elsewhere, and free ourselves from the economic bondage to the dystopian asian state in the process. But such things are obviously hard sells to Norwegian companies with large exports to China.
That most Norwegians condemn Trumps actions now, and that all politicians more or less explicitly condemn, is in part because they expect more from an american president, the leader of a country we're historically and culturally closely allied with, than they expect from the distant and half crazy Chinese. (Its also because Norwegian media have collective TDS). In practice most Norwegians obviously feel much closer to the US, and you could say feel far greater "respect" than towards China, but untill now have not felt it necessary to "fear" their ally.
The very small maga-aligned right wing in Norway however, have for a long time feared the US that e.g. led NATO into a proxy war with Russia, or the US that put Biden in power, etc. So there are several factors in play here of course - who and what USA are Norwegians and Europeans to respect. This move from Trump also increases the chance of pushing Norway into the EU, which is horrendous.
This push for Greenland with tariff punishments are just not good for the european right, altho its partly understandable that americans are fed up with eurocrats. But this current strategy will not help Europe in long run.
I believe we should take it by force and defend it. What are you going to do about it? Wring your hands and badmouth President Trump? Pee your pants? Get in line. Europe may continue their silly war with Russia on their own with their Ukraine proxy. Personally I hope we pull entirely OUT of NATO. Leave you all flat. By yourselves. Alone.
Europe with their poison mass immigration, rising totalitarian fascism, your new love of censorship, your so called "hate crimes" persecutions/prosecutions over social media posts, confiscatory monetary fines and thought crime laws against your citizens. Your digital ID's and Central Bank Digital Currency... you may go straight to hell. Take your buddy Claus Schwab and the WEF Nazi's with you.
Your globalist poison BS spreads. Europe is led by a bunch of liberal weaklings and wannabe tyrants who would be entirely unable to defend themselves. You'll be lucky to keep your lights and heat on. The Eurotard rulers have made a joke of themselves and any fool can easily see it if they take half a look. Allies my ass. Look at ya. You'd ALL be speaking German.
If you think I'm the only American that thinks like this, you are dead wrong. We watch you. We know what you are doing.
lol ok sir. But you and the alleged many that think like you and "watch" "us", should start out by noticing which europeans you're talking to. You're bitching up the wrong tree about European politics here, while embodying the stereotype of American ignorant of all things beyond their own state lines. You should also know that the US government were enacting most of the dreaded policies you describe merely two years ago, in fact they created the blueprint for much of them, e.g. "hate crimes". And if Trump does not succeed at getting a third term at age 82, or some Maga-man does not follow him, you may very well be the victim of thought crime laws yourself when Cortez/Omar 28 take the reigns. Good luck
Precisely. Mr Pax Americana has some layers of cogdis to eliminate before he realizes that no one is coming to save his "freedom". What goes around comes around. So despite all the bravado at cracking down on illegals with the latest overreach of the police state....slowly but surely civil liberties will continue to be taken away with each "crisis". Considering how much this current regime is in debt to the special folks(victims emeritus) perhaps you will feel all warm and patriotic with HQ in Tel Aviv. Meanwhile the bewildered herd are lining up for the latest round of team red vs team blue. The focus should be up into the overlords....not sideways to the continuously manipulated flock.
Interesting that you vent the irrational anger you have towards Europe in this forum. Have you read only this post from Eugyppius? Most of the Europeans here would agree with you.
But, as an American myself, I'd like to suggest it's not a good idea to be so high and mighty about how little America needs Europe. America itself is only a half step away from the problems Europe has. Only a short year ago, America was still pushing insane gender ideology down the throats of the Eurocrats; who, in fact, were not going down that path on there own until America foisted it upon them.
If things are so hopelessly lost in Europe, in spite of a solid and growing minority there that are pushing back (such as the readers here), what are we to make of the long term situation in America?
No need for the US to own all of Greenland, we should just buy the 99% where there are no towns or settlements. Let those places, with sizable buffer areas, remain a Danish colony, or enclaves, or become sovereign entities (Chinese / Russian operated port facilities & airports prohibited). Give the Danes royalties on the mineral rights, to lower the purchase price. No 51st state, no new Americans.
Yet, Greenlanders don't wish to be Danes. They've been horribly mistreated as a Danish colony that's been exploited much more harshly, insidiously than if they were an American colony:
That said, there's not a consensus to become Americans. But we can stop with the phony baloney pretending that Denmark is their benevolent protector. Not one bit.
Change that paradigm and then the future of Greenland, be it under the US, Denmark or independently sovereign, becomes a much different conversation. And Trump's entreaties don't appear as menacing, foolish and unwanted as his critics would have us believe. Especially not his Danish critics. Who've been despicable stewards of the land, resources and people there. If anything that NY Post story should tell you is that the case can be made that taking them away from Denmark is a matter of morality and compassion.
PS: The current leaders of Greenland should have zero to very limited say in the future of Greenland. Every single one of them is a subject of Denmark serving at Denmark's pleasure. None of them have an ounce of ability to speak out for Greenland's sovereignty or choice of oversight and management. They could and would never speak against their master, Denmark, the hand that feeds them and has elevated them to the status in Greenland as an acceptable representative to the Kingdom of Denmark. In this type of situation the leaders of that land are uniquely disqualified from speaking for the people they "lead." Or, rather, were chosen to rule over them.
Yes, for those who don't know: The committee that awards the Nobel Peace Prize consists of five people appointed by the politicians.
Naturally if at least three of the five are appointed by social democrats we get insane stuff like giving the PEACE prize to Al Gore or Obama, for politics, not peace.
But it is equally insane for Trump ("I like oil. We'll take the oil!") to claim that he has stopped eight wars, which no one in the world believes, and then actually, seriously, be angry because he didn't get the Peace Prize.
Someone wrote that he is "drunk with power." Unfortunately that could be true.
Too bad he doesn't use the power for what conservatives voted him into office to do.
Most of us are generally pleased with what he's accomplishing, quite literally by himself. We are waiting rather impatiently for the Republican legislature to catch up.
Also it should be noted that Alfred Nobel, the Norwegian inventor and engineer with whom the prize originated, invented nitroglycerine-based explosives. Far more powerful and safer to use than gunpowder, they revolutionized warfare both on land and at sea. Nobel Peace Prize, indeed.
From the US’s perspective I would argue (if I wanted to argue but I probably see it your way more) I would say war with Russia is now and the Chinese/US Cold War is here. We don’t have time to wait for populism to take Europe. Trump needs the current European leadership to change course dramatically even if there are costs in otherwise positive longer term trends.
I think the Chinese started the Sino-US Cold War a decade ago. The US is only catching up. Biden did zero in this “battle” other than surrender. And then show the utter incompetence of America in the Afghan withdrawal disaster.
To be fair to Biden, he was always a no-account plagiarist with no ability. And then he also lost what little mind he had. Oh, and he showed how easy it is to commit grift in America. If he, as the Big Guy, can rack in millions, imagine what a competent person can do. Or the Somalis (mostly, with an assist from others) can rake in Billions.
Firstly, I'm addressing your current leaders not the poor helpless European citizens caught under their tyranny. But then somebody elected them from the citizenry unless like many U.S. "Blue States" or Democrat run states and localities over here, where liberals rule and elections are rigged.
Your's are too I'm pretty sure. Liberals hold power by using election fraud as happened when Joe Biden was INSTALLED through election fraud in 2020. Where they flipped the numbers in the dead of night and stole the election during the scamdemic.
Secondly I said, "this shit spreads". Biden and the criminals of the U.S. Democrat Party are liberals cut from the same cloth as the Eurotard globalists running the EU and the UK. One and the same ilk. Shit for brains liberal elitists who worship power, personal wealth, corruption, globalism and authoritarianism.
Yes, two years ago we had the same rotting ilk, a pile of inhuman garbage named Joe Biden and his filthy criminal U.S. Democrat Party in power doing all the same obnoxious things. You are totally correct.
But... we tossed them all out in the 2024 general election with a turnout too big for the filthy Democrats to steal again. In 2024, President Trump won every swing state, and the popular vote hands down. A slaughter. We were as sick as we could get of the liberal agenda. Look at us now. He was issued a conservative mandate to clean up the fascist Democrat mess. And he's doing it. He's redesigning the U.S. Federal government eliminating the money laundering sources that had been built in to it to fund the progressives. USAID for example. A money laundering criminal entity with a direct money pipeline to the Democrat machine. Gone. Shut down.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming the EU or UK rank and file citizenry except for those who vote for authoritarian jerks like Starmer and Merz. Trust me I hold pure unbridled hate for American liberals too. Anyone who votes for these people, these charlatans, these leftists regardless of what side of the pond they are on, are the enemy of freedom and liberty, who I look forward to raising arms against. You'll have to be happy with sharp sticks and rocks since you have no personal arms. We do in fact have arms over here, otherwise we'd be in the same helpless boat as you. Helpless against the oppression you suffer at the hands of your probably fraudulently elected leftist tyrants.
If we don't stop this globalist bullshit and all their Marxist divisive scams like so called climate change measures built on a pile of pure lies, CBDC's, Digital ID's, obviously and blatantly racist DEI, open borders, coddling the mentally ill with their transexual perversions, the drugging and trans mutilations of children, men with their big hairy dicks invading woman's sports teams claiming absurdly that they are women as well as all the other useless outrageous nonsense these liberal bastards weaponize against the average people who pay the bills, this world and humanity at large will become a miserable place for everyone but the elites, who will have it all.
America is not immune because this globalist ideology is well, global. Trust me, it's going to get very bloody over here between right and left, if our own liberals don't tone it down in places like Minnesota. But I for one will not sit by and allow radicals, socialists, Marxists or globalists to take over this country and wipe their asses on our founding, our heritage, our liberty and our God given constitutional rights. I'll fight until my last breath leaves my dead body to stop these freakish liberal bastards and I sincerely suggest you do the same if you want to be free.
Did the Norwegian people want to trade neutrality for NATO membership or was that done Helmet Kohl style when it came to Germany adopting the euro (essentially by decree because he knew the German people wouldn’t go for it)?
Norway was a founding member of Nato in 1949 and entered in large part as a consequence of being occupied by Nazi-Germany throughout WW2, as well as the threat of sharing a border with the Soviet Union. Of about 2 million citizens about half voted for the social democrat party ("Arbeiderpartiet" – the workers party) who had a pure majority in parliament. Despite the party name's seeming reference to communism, they were social democrats explicitly opposed to communists, and joining Nato was an equally explicit alliance with the West and American power.
Thanks for that. I have to confess I had a brain fart and was thinking of Finland (and despite how it looks I do know the difference between the Scandinavian countries! So I am a bit embarrassed lol). I think there is subtle pressure here in Ireland to officially pick sides (which is done by the media for us anyway). Should Ireland arm up I reckon we would resemble the various troops sent to Greenland (a joke). As Michael Burry (Big Short) famously said recently about the crazy markets, sometimes the best way to win is not to play. I think that’s true for tiny countries and geopolitics when the Big Powers seem bent on raising hell.
Your mistake is forgiven, as we inhabitants of small countries who are not too inflicted with ethno-narcissism realize most of the world dont care or know who we are. On that note, perhaps the Irish should recall the warrior path of your great ancestor and national hero Braveheart, and rally a forceful attack toward your new mighty oppressor.
The Irish are too busy committing national suicide to bother with Trump, or any other alleged external threat. For his part, Trump doesn't need to do anything to the Irish. They're doing a fine job of self-extinguishing. One thing I will give to you and your countrymen, however. You don't seem to have followed your neighbors down the path of suicide by empathy.
Ironically I’m an immigrant here - now 36 years (from the US, married an Irishman). I’ve tried to explain to my Irish friends that when I emigrated (engaged), I had to provide a letter to the Irish Revenue assuring them I would not become a financial burden to the country (my father in law provided that assurance). How times have changed.
I find nitpickers rather tiresome - I get ‘scoring points’ might stroke your ego. And I accept I may be lacking geographic precision given I’m referring to the northern region more broadly. However, I’m operating under this definition: usually refers to the three core nations (Denmark, Norway, Sweden) or the Scandinavian Peninsula (Norway, Sweden, and parts of Finland). People often think the Republic of Ireland is part of the UK - no one is perfect.
Peace prize has been called War prize for a while now. At least since mass murderer Kissinger was nominated. The committee is a joke.Trump ie. the deep state back him, doesn't care about this prize, it is an excuse.
This Grønland act is just about a redeployment of imperial American projects.
The Ukraine proxy war has not been working as expected in order to dismantle Russia, and the side effect has been the formation of a block around China and Russia.
Grønland can be interesting for mineral resources, but anyway because it is under the direct path of last generation Russian rockets stationed in Murmanskaya oblast, targeting USA, so it is a better place for trying interception.
But the most important point for Greenland as a US territory is that it will move the US maritime zone much further North-East closer Northern Siberian sea way, Vladivostok-Murmansk.
Just take the daily minibuss in Kirkenes, by the corner of the Scandic, around 14:00 to Murmansk. (at this border paper visa mandatory, e-visa not accepted), and when in Murmansk walk back the railway station. This is a rail and transit terminal for ore from Norilsk to Nikel, among other things. Then in the fjord, a bit outside city, there is the Atomflot base, with several last generation ice-breakers. Some are used for the Northern-Siberian seaway. This maritime route had launched in 2025 Chinese cargo navigation. It is a short and safe route China and Eastern-Asia to Europe, as navigation is entirely inside Russian waters.
so the American ideologists dream of a disruption of this route as well of a combined NATO pressure using Ola in Finnmark, Timo in Finnish Lappland, in order to try something against Russia and disrupt the Chinese-Russian-European possible links.
The other day there was this empty tanker in Northern Atlantic , that US costal guards (coastal guards!!!!) hijacked outside Iceland by hooking themselves into UK maritime zone North-West of Scotland. By having its sovereign waters extended in Northern Atlantic outside Grønland, this kind of behaviour will be much easier.
So it is about Northern Atlantic and subpolar piracy plans and dreams of combined military Blitzkrieg using Finnmark and Lappland as bases.
The other front for disruption of an Eurasian block is Middle-East and yet another tentative of control Iran so to control all warm water straights with the transit to/from Indian Ocean. It is a try at a maritime blocus of continental dimension: from the South and from the North. Americans are gone full crazy.
All Norwegian ruling elites are a bunch of vassals of USA since Gro Brundtland and the duo Stoltenberg+Støre are champions in this category. They will be more than happy to fulfill their masters wishes. They can not stay silent in the current case, because what was called for 70 years after WW2 "international rules" is totally violated by the now openly rogue USA, For the sake of its image Norway has to protest a bit, instead of behaving like a consenting little bitch, which it is.
There was some slight criticism of the award to Obama in rightist TV news. Namely, Obama was the first person with a hit list to get the peace award. BTW, I also thought that award was "political", but I opine that all the peace awards are "political".
> independent committee (albeit selected by parliament)
These two things are incompatible. The practice of politicians staffing institutions with solid ideological allies and then pretending those people are neutral is alien to Americans and frankly should be alien to Europeans too, because it's stupid and insulting. The Yookay is overrun with this dark pattern and only idiots can't see through it. The Nobel Prize is awarded by the Norwegian government based on its politics, and Trump is correct to just say that.
Not really "incompatible" at all. The five committee members are chosen by parliament with several long lasting guidelines attempting to assure independence, and altho complete neutrality is impossible in any institution there are in fact measures taken to approach it. And the laureates are not chosen by "the government based on politics" – that is just an absurd and factually incorrect statement.
Committee member may be generally aligned with a political or ideological climate, but that is not the same as the ruling parties dictating who wins the prize. Quite obviously, and its stupid to assert it. Cases in point are the two exact ones I point to in my first post, namely the winners in 2010 and 2025. Liu Xiaobo winning created a shitstorm for Norways relation to China, something the ruling parties would never invite on their own and had to struggle for years to undo the harm. And last years winner was a Trump supporter and the selection has been widely criticized in dominant left wing political circles.
Your suggestion that "staffing institutions with ideological allies" is "alien to Americans" is perhaps the most deluded statement in your post. We can start by remembering DOGE, and I'm not referring to Trump appointing Musk – altho that also tracks perfectly – but what DOGE uncovered about NGOs.
This is a classic defense of the quango - lots of assertions that the appointees are neutral, unbiased and consider only a rigorously precise list of factors without pre-existing belief or ideology intruding at all, but then not naming any of the "measures" taken to "approach" this ideal. Lots of ad hominem attacks though: not believing in this fairy tale is "absurd" and "factually incorrect" although no facts were presented or disputed. If someone started by thinking that there were no such measures and the process was fake, your reply would not have reassured them.
> that is not the same as the ruling parties dictating who wins the prize
A party is just a collection of people who share a political agenda. When parties pick people to sit on a committee, that committee becomes an extension of the party. Often it doesn't even require the party to explicitly pick - one left wing person is all it takes, as they'll immediately start taking it over via various means.
So when a committee is appointed by the government, that makes it an extension of the government's will. This will MIGHT be following an extremely precise and rigorously debated set of rules or guidelines, but even with something as precise as law such appointees will often bend it past the breaking point. And the method for choosing a Nobel Prize winner isn't laid out in law or litigated through the courts, so it doesn't even have that thin veneer of neutrality.
you are either blind, stupid or insane so I'll leave the argument here. I asserted nothing of what you claim, e.g. that appointees are completely "neutral, unbiased" and "without pre-existing belief or ideology intruding at all". This type of neutrality doesn't exist anywhere ever in human history btw, but I pointed to mitigating factors.
That you operate with a ridiculous black-white ideal of either total complete independence or total dependence just illustrates you have no capacity for nuanced thought on this matter. And the suggestion that I should name all measures for appointing committee members is equally ridiculous - you can spend five minutes on google and figure out the facts yourself. You also ignore my examples of laureates who contradicted interests of ruling political parties.
Its obvious you dont know anything about this and are just operating on your own assumptions and abstract idea of how European institutions are generally corrupt or whatever, and some vague idea about how a "party" inevitably selects automatons who promote a set "political agenda". This is simply not true in this actual case. I am no fan of Norways current admin or political elite or the ideological bent of the Nobel committee, and I'm totally opposed to the EU and all it entails. But to criticize these institutions requires a minimum of knowledge about their actual practical functioning.
More ad hominem. You're extremely keen on insults and conspicuously afraid of specifics. Conclusion: you know your argument is built on quicksand.
> This type of neutrality doesn't exist anywhere ever in human history btw, but I pointed to mitigating factors ... the suggestion that I should name all measures for appointing committee members is equally ridiculous
You didn't point to any mitigating factors. Not one. It's interesting that you think you did. Asserting everything is fine due to institutional mechanisms, and then insisting other people try to work out what you actually mean ... well it's a common tactic amongst people trying to defend the idea of quangos or independent experts.
I don't believe any such mechanisms exist, so I'm not inclined to write your argument for you. You clearly think there are good reasons to believe political appointees won't act politically, so explain! Show your working! If we understand each other's views, then they can be evaluated. Right now you refuse to explain your position, suggesting that maybe you can't.
> You also ignore my examples of laureates who contradicted interests of ruling political parties.
You mean the Trump supporter who was awarded the prize and immediately stated the award was politically motivated and should have gone to Trump himself? That example?
I'll remind you that you started your first post by pointing to how "stupid and insulting" it is to say that a parliament can appoint a committee and that that committee isn't automatically a perfect reflection of the ruling party, and that only "idiots" could not see through it. You yourself provided no concrete examples or lengthy factual specifics to illustrate this point.
"independent committee". The Peace Prize committee has been unabashedly political - lefty political - for years. It's a joke, and Trump's lack of an award after they awarded it to the likes of Arafat and Obama exposes it as such.
And what are you(evidently a John Cena action man toy ) gonna do? Enlist in the military to make Greenland great again? Or perhaps enlist in one of the great European powers armies to defend Greenland. I think not.
Stuff yourself with popcorn and pontificate on substack about it is all you can do.
“ A portion of the very few Trump-supporters still like him….”
I’m having a bit of trouble understanding your appraisal here. Are you saying that Trump only ever had very few supporters, and that only a (small) portion of those still support him? If so, then please elaborate in how you come to those numbers.
Were you perhaps referring only to the (vitally-important) Norwegian Trump supporters?
I was indeed referring to Norwegian Trump supporters, which that paragraph was about, altho I never claimed they were vitally important to the US. But they are important to Norwegians who wish to be liberated from libtard and climatard politics, and this current move by the American administration is not good for those interests.
US should sacrifice US interests for the few Norwegians who share our disdain for the climate scam? That ship has sailed, with O'Biden asleep at the helm.
Seems to be a lot of pretending not to understand in this thread, but ok. First of all, as my first post is related to, the point is not just Norwegian domestic politics but all of Europe, and Norway in this instance serves as an example of the political dynamics at play. You could also say it does not serve American foreign policy interests in the long term that European countries turn further to the left, and indeed this alienation caused by current actions towards Greenland could also weaken Maga support amongst American independents. You can also question whether it's actually in the American interest to de facto annex the land of a sovereign European nation with whom the US already has a military alliance and access to establish military bases.
One could for sure. But one should also ask why this has become a centerpiece for Trump in his America First policy. It is clear that he does not trust Europe in its current political configuration, nor that much of Europe will remain a reliable US ally as it succumbs to Islam and greater authoritarianism.
It should also be noted that Greenland has been of interest to the US for over 150 years, the first effort made by President Andrew Johnson. Trump knows that when the US agains falls into the hands of the Progressives any interest in American interests will cease. He believes the window will close. Europe should ask who would be a better steward of Greenland; US, Russia or China.
I still think Trump comes out ahead on Greenland, no matter what. His primary objective here is (I think) to blow up NATO, which he sees as unnecessary, expensive, and stupid. Also let's keep in mind that public opinion and media opinion are two different things.
Well said. NATO is and has been for decades now- since the fall of the USSR, a cold war rusting, corroded relic of another era. It's a rip off for the American Tax payer. It exists now to justify it's own existence. We the citizens want out. We want our President to end it. The time has come to heal our country. America First. As for Greenland, who here thinks the Danes will be able to do anything if tomorrow the Chinese or Russia walks in and takes it? They won't be able to do squat. Neither will the EU or the UK. The Biden Proxy war in Ukraine has tapped them out. Out of weapons, out of money and Russia is losing it's patience. They are officially considering the use of nuclear weapons on Germany firstly and England secondly. Hypersonic missiles with nuclear warheads. NATO has zero ability to stop it. They had better get to ending the Ukraine war before something terrible happens.
And this quote can't be emphasized enough... "Also let's keep in mind that public opinion and media opinion are two different things." Bravo.
The US media or the so called mainstream media here in this country has about a 14% approval rating by U.S. citizens. People abroad need to understand it is a biased arm of the freakish Democrat Party. It is not in the least objective nor anything like a voice of the American People on which you might think you are getting the pulse of the USA. It's for the most part propaganda and it is dying because of it. CBS is trying to reform itself but not having too much luck with it. The youngsters now running the media have had their brains damaged by the Marxist professors in American academia who have poisoned their minds. The ratings of US media are in the toilet. A lot is just what President Trump says it is... Fake News.
Who would you rather see control of Greenland? The USA, or the communists? Sorry Denmark... you just can't do it. No offence intended. You just don't have the power and it's too strategically important to allow China or Russia to grab it from you. The Western Hemisphere is our hemisphere, not your hemisphere. You don't really own it anyway except in treaty. Old, old treaties. These are dangerous times. Please just get out of the way. Sell it to us or if need be, for national security and the security of the globe, we'll take it. That's the way it is. Again, no offense. We love the cheese danish pastries but then we know they actually originated in Austria didn't they? Oh that was uncalled for.
"Chinese civilization has become thoroughly outmoded... Chinese people are impotent both physically and mentally. China needs to be colonized for at least three hundred years. I still doubt whether three hundred years is enough." - Liu Xiaobo.
Liu Xiaobo was an unabashed apologist for violent regime change: "There is no free lunch anywhere in the world. The success of any righteous enterprise demands lots of suffering, even at a tragic price. This is especially true when law-abiding and civilized free countries are confronted with immoral and unreasonable authoritarian regimes, evil forces of terrorism and fundamentalism and the like and must enter into a contest, it is necessary to pay a huge price to win the final victory. The horrible catastrophe of 9/11 is the price forthe US to promote freedom, the anti-terror war after 9/11 is only thebeginning of an open contest between the forces of freedom andterrorism, NATO soldiers and civilian casualties are the price we mus tpay to fight terrorism, to overthrow Saddam's tyranny, and to build a democratic Iraq".
If TRUMP will invade GREENLAND, it will be in that 100 year old tradition of the monocle wearing eunuch in the lead command car just keeps driving across the imaginary line of the border and settles in for a restful 5 or 6 year occupation at the idyllic French chatteau?
Please Lord, let us finally be rid of NATO and let the Eurotard Islamic nations defend themselves. We shouldn't spend one nickel defending these scummy ingrates. While we're at it, kick all the criminals out of the UN building and use it to house homeless veterans. Its long past due that we cut ties with the garbage, anti-Democratic nations in Europe. Let them make their windmills and censor their people while we return our attention to America First where it belongs.
I think you "agree" in the sense that you'd like Britain and European countries to be able to defend their own territory alone. That isn't possible today and isn't even close to possible; Europe and Britain are years away from even having governments that are ideologically able to take defense seriously - in the best case!
In practice what a retreat of the US means is that Russia takes over and we discover why 1984 had a territory called "Eurasia" in it.
Not quite. The UK and Europe need a wake up call and to accept our Pygmy place in the new world order, stop being a moral conscience for the world and just get on with being small, top heavy states with massive welfare commitments, unsupported by tax take. And do something about it. We need allies such as the US and we should be nice to them rather than take a snooty moral high ground. We are no longer important and should behave thus.
We should be nice to them and I always am! I think Brits in general are not the worst when it comes to snootiness. If anything the British left is far too easily distracted by American politics, see the recent Labour mayors writing open letters about ICE or whatever.
The snootiness and antagonism unfortunately does mostly come from the Germans, in my experience. If you see someone calling themselves a European Citizen then you can be pretty sure their name is Helmut.
All of the economies of Western Europe are dependent in large part on vast amounts of American dollars being shoveled at them, either via NATO support, UN structures, or direct investments like massive, high-spending military bases on their territory. After 80 years of this they have become completely used to it and spent the money they would have on other things, like My Little Commie governments with fat social programs to buy max votes from dependent populations of serfs. If we pulled out, a whole lotta very expensive change would be needed nearly overnight, which would cause all those peasants to hit the streets with pitchforks as all their beloved social programs were severely curtailed.
How's that going to help the USA? For starters, we'll no longer have to pay billions defending a bunch of cowardly losers who hate us. We'll never have to hear Euroweenies talking shit about America again. For decades we've listened to pompous, foppish Eurotards lecture America while they intentionally destroy their nations. If you're going to continue to elect retards then you're gonna get everything you deserve. Time for the morning prayers to Allah!
So North America contains more than the USA? Are you talking about the Snow Mexicans up north? Lmao, you can have those losers too. As soon as Trump ends the USMCA this year, their economy will crash and their whole country will go bankrupt except Alberta which is smart enough to get the hell out.
"Snow Mexicans" got a laugh out of me. Canada has a surprisingly belligerent posture, a lot of "don't mess with our pride" relative to the military and economic benefit it derives from the US. I do really feel for a lot of people there who did not personally choose the socialist idiocy that is being forced upon them. But you already mentioned Alberta as an exception ;)
It's interesting that Quebec chose language over religion, imported a lot of muslims, and is increasingly intolerant of the faith that birthed it and the liberal values that everyone so long touted.
It's kind of a case study in socialist demoralization. But still with lots of national pride, apparently. The moment you say a mean thing about the maple syrup, they spite you by not electing Poilievre...
They're all (Europe and Canada) saturated in propaganda and lies which is not their fault. But failing to see the lies at this point is their fault. The whole socialist idiocy is a case study in oxymorons and real life morons who hold polar opposite views whenever the narrative tells them to. I'm tired of pretending people have no agency or responsibility. I'm supposed to feel bad because they're retarded?
amazing fact: my 320 grit sandpaper is made by what I always considered a manufacturing powerhouse: 3M. now it says "Made In Canada" ????? I think Minnesota can still make sandpaper.
Well, the United States still makes some of the best high-tech stuff, like paper towels, facial tissue and toilet paper, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is made in Canada too.
"such knowledge, such balance". I guess your BBC disagrees. See, this is the problem, even the so called normal white people in Europe are deluded imbeciles still clinging to the lies sold to them by their ruling pedophiles. Wake the F up. Europe is the only entity still clinging to the Climate Scam so they can steal your hard earned money and more than half you morons still believe the world will be underwater next week. The dumbest people on earth. The whole Globalist facade is crumbling. And Eurotards are still arguing about knowledge and balance instead of restoring their countries to greatness. You can start by deporting all the "People of Colour" who have spread the wonders of diversity throughout Europe. Thanks Angie Merkel!
Your hate is a tad misdirected. Focus on the Globalists as your bad guy, the politicians do their bidding and the people are all brainwashed (as we are here in the USA).
We, Americans, are not superior nor are we the 'good guys'. That's all Hollywood crap. We are an extension of the British empire (It's just business, nothing personal) and we are destined to self-destruct, like all empires.
The Net Zero scam was 'sold' by a well-known former USA Vice President, enabled by McKinsey & Company, buffed up by Vanguard et al, and promoted by Bloomberg.
Sadly, not the only part of the world. My own unfortunate country, Australia, is still totally convinced by the green new scam. When I was young (a very long time ago) we produced everything we needed. Now we’re beggars and going broke faster and faster. Alas my poor country
My brother thinks climate change is the biggest hoax perpetuated on humanity in history. I disagree, I think it's vocal pitch correction in the music industry.
Then let them defend themselves. Lets start with thousand of little white girls getting raped by muslims and why the white Europeans have done nothing? Oh, that's right, they gave up their right to self defense and gave all their guns to the government. TO THE GOVERNMENT! Lmao, don't defend those retards.
We really do not dislike any citizens of Britain - except for those you've imported, and your insufferable elite. But then again, our elite almost as bad.
Hm. You sure about that? All my relatives live in Greece and it seems every time I visit, the “not disliked” list is getting shorter and shorter. Still, there were only a handful of names on it to begin with…it’s been all downhill on that score since the last US Nobel Peace Prize-winning President, to be honest.
I think if we meet person to person, generally we like to find out more about each other. When it comes to the show of mainstream media and national politics, it is possible to enact received wisdom.
Citizen to citizen, we are friends and have very real threats to our peaceful lives.
Albertan here. Disgusted with our federal government. Hate the direction Canada is taking under Mark Carney (what Justin Trudeau started). A new book called Under Assault details how China has infiltrated and manipulated Canada since the the inception of the CCP. So now Canada under the Carney Liberals is moving toward China because of Trump which is insane. I hope we will separate from Canada but don't hold much hope of that.
I have a question… Dr. William Makis (oncologist from Alberta) has been talking extensively about the pedophiles in the Alberta government. And yes, he brings the receipts… 😱😱😱 They have been going after his cancer clinic for years.
Any thoughts on this matter? Here is one of the links… There are many.
Not a believer that DJT is the savior, BUT there is much that amuses and frankly heartens in these events.
The age of multinational arrangements to "secure peace" has proven to be a century-plus racket by global elites to profit and strangle us through endless war and idiotic tyrannical policymaking. Trump's oldfashioned Greenland grab would demonstrate -- in what would surely be a "war" about as bloody and long as the Maduro panty raid-- that those days are over. If that's the end of NATO, well, that's the point.
Suggestion to DJT: institute a "Trump Peace Prize" and present it to yourself.
100% agree. I'd like to add that getting rid of NATO might well be the primary objective. Whether the US buys Greenland, takes it by force, or Trump just continues his trash-talk campaign, it's going to end NATO - an unnecessary, expensive, and stupid ball and chain around US foreign policy.
We'll see. They need to go back to making stuff and abandon the Climate Scam nonsense to give themselves a chance. Repackaging Chinese crap for export is not gonna cut it.
Spending too much time with it, and making yourself angry? I've left social media platforms for similar reasons. All the best to you as well. It's been fun.
Oh Lord! Deliver us of the many American arrogant idiots and let us come to security and economic agreements with Russia and China, two powers that never came to the idea of annexing territories of European countries because they think that I want it is the equivalent of I own it.
Right, come to an economic agreement with Russia who you've basically declared war on and are trying to steal their money. Brilliant. Nobody wants to annex any European countries because then they'd have to take care of their lazy, ignorant populations and no one can afford that. You have no raw materials, no oil, no armies. You're totally fuckin useless. Nobody gives a shit about Europe anymore.
You seriously think that being ruled by a Fascist, child rapist , serial Bankrupt -6 times no less, is something that Greenlanders will consider . My goodness you are not quite bright enough to know you are terminally stupid.
Don't you have some Peter, Paul and Mary songs to memorize before tonight's ICE protest? Maybe a Tesla dealership to burn down. Or I guess you and your fellow Trantifa scumbags can continue assassinating people. My goodness, you're a piece of shit Leftard. Fuck off you tranny faggot.
I don’t need one , he’s going to need an army of them . A convicted felon, a serial bankrupt - 6 times no less. A fraudster A sex pest . It’s all in the public domain . We only need the Epstein files and he’s done . You are just not quite bright enough to know you are terminally stupid .
Every time I read about this story I get a huge smile on my face. Back when Ursula Von Der Retard won the capitulation Olympics against Trump in the "trade deal" i rather remarked that Trump would inevitably be back for moooooaaaaar and not 6 months later, here we are.
These fucking morons thought Trump forgot about the many, many, many grievances he had accrued during Bidens term, and during the election season. The guy is not stupid and is serving his vengeance coldly, painfully, and with great humiliation. This is far from over, there is oh so much more coming
There is no competence layer beneath the stupidity. These people are morons all the way down, at every layer, to the core. Trump could literally scream from the hilltops his intentions and they still wouldn't get it.
Um, yes. He has failed to do anything against mass immigration, which is what he was voted into office for. He has completely ditched his main election promise, which was actually invented by Steve Bannon: To build the Wall. Trump instead signed Paul Ryan's omnibus bill, which specifically banned Wall funding and ICE expansion. Paul Ryan said that "we'll get to that later." Then Ryan just laughed and said no, he wouldn't get to that later, and he wouldn't run for office again anyway so Trump could do nothing to him.
Trump signed a deal with a pro-immigration politician who promised him change "later," and then just ditched that. Trump got played like an idiot.
Now Trump is looking to take land to get in the history books, even though it's an economic drain, the people there would vote Democrat so Trump would increase Democrat seats in the House, and the U.S. ALREADY HAS MILITARY ACCESS TO GREENLAND.
Yet he pretends that "Russia and China want Greenland," a blatant lie and irrelevant even if they would want that, and "I have stopped eight wars" and "I have done more for NATO than anyone else so now NATO should do something for me." All of this is the talk of a little baby with no connection to reality. None.
He was great at campaigning in 2015 and 2016. I supported him then, at personal cost. Now he is the same age as Biden was three years ago. It shows.
He didn't. None of them do. And he knows the next 3 years are his last chance. That makes him very dangerous to his enemies. Who do you think those are?
".. and Greenlanders themselves are overwhelmingly opposed to leaving the Danish kingdom to become a freely associated U.S. territory."
Are they? In german tv one can see only Danish-Greenlanders speaking.
What about the Inuit, where women without knowing were made infertile by the Danish? Who already have tribe-brothers living happily in the US for a long time?
To me it looks, they are not asked yet or if they have been asked, have not responded in the danish hoped fashion.
There's no mystery about the reasons why. Among other things, Greenlanders have much more generous benefits as a part of the Danish kingdom than they would receive as a freely associated US territory.
We were doing much worse to our own native peoples back when Denmark was "harming the people".
Only 6% of Greenlanders actually want to join the U.S. Most of them want eventual independence but not at the expense of economic disadvantages.
I spent a summer in the most remote village in the far North of Greenland, possibly the most remote human settlement on earth. The people there lived a quasi-stone age existence, but were exceptionally well educated in the beautiful school built by the Danish government, the nicest building in town. Even the old people were fluent in both Danish and English although they hardly ever see anyone from other parts of Greenland, much less foreigners. One person I met had been to university in Copenhagen.
They all had very friendly attitudes towards Danes and Denmark and seemed very happy with their semi-sovereignty, where they conduct their own domestic affairs and Denmark provides everything else.
I would not recommend holding your breath, for the Greenlanders to be won over by Trump.
Perhaps Greenland will be a framework for the test of a sovereign wealth fund. Perhaps the Norwegians will de-bunch their panties if they are consulted on the tactics and mechanics.
Alaska's people have been subsidized considerably to offset the value of the land and it's resources. That doesn't really mean it's helped them. It's a milder variant of the resource curse (ref. middle East and Africa). Also true of some native Indian reservations, some do better than others with oil and gambling and subsidy. It's almost as if culture matters.
We forget that not that long ago conquest was afoot quite broadly. Arguably it still is by those not needing parlor cover, or for example China.
If it really came down to that, there is no reason the US couldn't pay the 53,000 natives of Greenland a special yearly subsidy, possibly based on resource extraction. It's not like we can't afford it. If Trump really wants Greenland that badly, we will pay them for it.
How do you know that? You actually trust polls? DJT may offer each Greenlander hundreds of thousands of $$$ for starters, and add to their economy by bringing in military and infrastructure to help secure arctic for US and the rapidly dwindling number of freedom loving countries. That is a helluva lot more than Denmark has given to Greenland-and read most are barely above poverty level
Actually that is not necessarily true. American Samoa could be a model where they get enhanced rights. American Samoa has its own immigration system such that US citizens can only spend 30 days as a tourist. In Greenland any Dane or even Nordic citizen can move there freely; you just register with the municipality. Samoans get a better status known as US National that does not subject them to taxation if they live outside the US. Everyone in American Samoa is on Medicaid so they have free health; that is something Eurotards point to as an issue. I forget the number but the US spends something like $500 million (I might be way off) on Medicaid for AS.
In these polls you will probably be asking people in Godthaab (Nuuk) who are often mixed race and part of "elite" feeding off the Danish state. I might guess that as many as 10k of 57k might be pure Danes working for the bureaucracy, police and so forth. There are maybe 20k inuit in DK. Nobody really knows since they move there freely as Danish citizens. The ones that you stumble across are severe alcoholics out on the streets causing mayhem. As a youth, I remember one running around with a gun threatening people.
I think the average person there has 33% Danish DNA. The pure inuit do not live near any major settlement.. The "PM" has max 25%. He has a Danish first and last name and his dad is a pure Dane. One of the 2 MPs in the DK parliament is blonde and blue eyed and bleached her hair a bit more and participated in Miss Danmark in 2015. But she pulls stunts like addressing the DAnish parliament in Inuit.
If it’s a straight choice (which it should be) between being part of Russia/China or being part of the USA, there’s no contest. It’s all fine and dandy saying “we want to be left alone” but it’s not going to happen, not now, not in today’s world. To be clear, I would pick the USA.
I appreciate eugyppius' neutral tone in the article - without being familiar with the tenor of the rest of his work, one wouldn't necessarily know how he felt about this. It's been a long time since I've read facts arranged as news.
It's worth noting that the Eurotards label is one that has Variable Geometry because in this incarnation it comprises North Western EU countries plus the UK and Norway and notably excludes the Mediterranean and Visegrad Group from Eastern Europe. What this lot of political eunuchs think they can achieve is -oops- nothing.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed but India has been an independent sovereign nation for many decades., after the people of India expressed a wish to become independent. In the case of Greenland, the people of Greenland have expressed a clear wish that they wish to maintain the status quo and specifically they DO NOT want to become Americans.
The understanding is that the payments will be used to develop the Chagos Islands. But, irrespective, that isn't the point. The point is that as your Grandma taught you, "Two wrongs don't make a right"
Independence and sovereignty based on a plebicite is just a convenient fig leaf. So are treaties and pacts. Rulership is solely based on power. Always has been, always will be.
I see. So what specifically (Contract, Charter, Treaty, UN Resolution etc.) makes it "American land"? Or perhaps you mean that America has the might to take it and "might is right"?
I do find it ironic that as the EU "leaders" continue to shit their pants about the nonsensical fantasy that Russia wishes to invade them, their "Closest ally" and fellow NATO member (Article 5?) plans to annex EU territory. Think about that.
Greenland is geographically part of the North American continent, sitting on the North American tectonic plate and connected to North America via the continental shelf. So, the USA and Greenland are on the same continent and the same continental shelf. Canada is also American land. It makes sense for both Greenland and Canada to be annexed into a Greater USA along with Central America and the North of South America.
The Inuit of Greenland are descendants of people who migrated from Siberia, across Alaska and Arctic Canada, arriving in Greenland in waves, most notably the Thule people around 1000-1200 CE, who became the direct ancestors of today's Greenlandic Inuit. They have deep roots in Northeast Asia but could be accommodated in the Middle-East.
I'm going to be completely honest here, and state that I actively do not want Canadian provinces to become states. I mean, have you *seen* what those people vote for?
I admit that's a silly way to think about it, and the reality has far more to do with proximity than deep tectonic structure, but that *was* the argument he was making.
No but it would make sense for the USA and Canada to be annexxed to Scotland, which was once connected to North America, after Scotland has unified with Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Devon, Brittany and Northwest Spain and Northern Portugal.
Of course might makes right. Always has, always will. International law, in its current form, is a post ww2 American invention used to put a happy face on our empire. The interests of USA are more closely aligned with Russia than with Western Europe.
Setting aside the Strategic alliances aspect (Actually the interests of Europe are FAR more closely aligned with Russia than those of the US), might is right, you say. So what's next? Canada? Mexico? Brazil?
I would contend that the US Empire is already in decline because of excessive debt - the same reason ALL Empires collapse. So it would seem like an appropriate time to start shrinking the Empire not expanding it?
And as the old saying goes "Make friends on the way up because you will need them on the way down".
Modern International law started in Spanish and Dutch universities around the 17th century, under the name of jus gentium and developed after the Treaty of Westfalia.
Power makes right was always considered to be a breach of the rules common to other States by the bully of the moment, which caused a coalition against it and the subsequent downfall.
If power would mean right, you might consider that China's industrial economy dwarfs the American one and population and industry are the constituent elements of power.
If might truly makes right, then if someone kills you, your wife and steals your crap, then they are morally in the right. Dude, tough guy Boomer RINO conservatism is completely passe. Grow up beyond it.
The native Greenlanders? Why the heck would they want to do that? They may prefer to stay under the aegis of Denmark, but even if they end up under the USA, they'd be far better off staying than moving to the miserable shit show of the middle east. Plus, there's a *slight* difference in the local climes between those two locations.
That just further obfuscates the issue of the wishes of the people of Greenland.
It does, however, raise the same issue tangentially because Northern Ireland is a case of self-determination of peoples. That's also a tricky one because it seems to work fine for, say, Taiwan but not so much for Crimea, Donbass, Catalunya etc?
No, I agree, honestly. I understand why the US wants Greenland, but my point was more about the hypocrisy of the British lamenting the situation, since the only reason the people of Northern Ireland are present in order to have self determined they want to continue as a part of the UK is because England invaded the island, killed a fuck ton of the Irish, and moved a whole pile of their own people over there. Of course, I live in America, in a city bordered on three sides by Indian reservations. Because the British, French, and Spanish all invaded the continent and took it over. So functionally, this is rather in our historical traditions.
I fully concur that the people of Donbass, Crimea, and Catalunya, as well as the Basque, should be allowed to separate as they wish. I think US states should be allowed to leave if they like as well. But that's certainly not the way things have gone in recent centuries.
That experiment was more or less tried in Europe at the end of WWI. The idea came from another US President loved by the Euros: Woodrow Wilson. I think the historical consensus is that it was catastrophic. Its crowning achievement was that it gave Hitler the moral high ground to demand various territories of sovereign nations (or entire nation-states, like in the case of Austria) because they contained within their political boundaries German irredenta. All it proved is that Great Powers are gonna Great Power, regardless of whether they’re doing it for Power or for Cause.
Decentralization is not "catastrophic", it's what the West looked like as it became the West. Don't fall for the modern tax state's lies; a parasite that has grown on the back of more ancient religious, moral and legal customs. And you really ought to stop using argumentum ad Hilteram.
Well, given that 85% of its actual property owners and inhabitants wish to keep the status quo, I think they have a tad more moral authority than an empire convulsively spewing tweets about Russian and Chinese Boogeymen that have had nearly 100 years already to invade and assimilate the dogsled kingdom.
If Denmark has tenuous claims to Greenland, where does that leave the US "claims"? Even George Bush Jr. is embarrassed by the Trump's pretext for preemptive war!
Somehow, someway, a powerful faction within and above the Blob has pressured, convinced and cajoled Trump into this latest bout of spasmodic detours into belligerence and warfare, at the expense of any sense of the America First agenda, liberty-minded populism, or just the dang coalition of folks that elected him. He's lost his damn mind.
No, he understands that it's a matter of political will, not moral authority. All conquerors and conquered throughout history have claimed moral authority. If you persist on using the liberal trope of claiming moral authority as a limit on excecising power, you will be experience serious butt-hurt.
You mistake my concern, and perspective. In the long run, rulers rule due to acquiescence of the populace. If you lose moral authority, over time, that ruler will fall.
That is not a "liberal trope", and in fact has little to do with modern liberalism, which has morphed into the worship of decadent social doctrines masquerading as "freedom", and socialism by a faux-democratic gerontocracy.
If you don't believe in moral reality, then may God have mercy on your soul. Last I looked, there's a pretty good size graveyard for empires.
In the world of geopolitics, moral authority has little meaning and is used primarily as justification by both sides. Internal moral authority is different from external moral authority. Yes, rulers rule due to acquiescence of the populace, but they do not expand or conquer on that acquiescence. Only those in the West consider on nation's gain at another nation's expense as an immoral act, and this only became the norm in the West after WWII. Trump is not planning a surprise assault on Greenland, at least not yet. He is willing to negotiate in good faith with a Danish President who previously acted in bad faith. If you want to look at it morally, then Greenland is Denmark's pet dog that it neglects, and the US is tired of taking care of. What's in the best interests of Denmark, the US, and Greenland. Moral hand ringing is really not helpful.
BTW, by "Liberal" I am referring to "Liberal Enlightenment" values, which seek to attribute individual moral criteria to nation states. This has morphed into nations and all of their inhabitants as being either "good" or "bad". Nation states operate on power, not morals. Always have, always will.
Well, the whole point of ownership is invoked selectively. As someone pointed out, we are on "stolen land" 400 yrs later but the fresh-off-the-boat polygamous African muslim on fraudulent benefits is an instant American.
History is rife with colonization and conquest. Should Turkey give up Constantinople?
OK that's a zany example, but there's a lot of various realignments not that long ago.
Not as zany as you think. The plan in WWI was for the Tripple Entenrde (Britain, France, Russia), to split up the Ottoman Empire and hand Constantinople to Russia.
Do you have a point? Property rights are based on might only?
Of course these things are selectively invoked. Don't get into the trap of arguing about hypocrisies. Otherwise, no person could ever be moral since every man since the dawn of time is a hypocrite to some point, due to the law of concupiscence?
Greenland's resources are worth trillions and need to be redistributed to Americans. I hope that after he takes Nuuk, Trump takes Berlin and then all of Europe.
Trump's note to Støre is special, but also very Trump. Who is still surprised?
Having skimmed the US National Security Strategy paper in December, I wondered if Greenland has become such a necessity for the US because Europe is becoming un-Europeanized. If they lose all their military bases in Germany/EU when Muslims take over, etc., they could move their inventory and nukes there beforehand and still reach all targets in time if needed.
And if they "own" it, no one can tell them to leave—
which could be a real risk as things escalate right and left. Esp since the US seems to be done with NATO?!
You are probably right. An islamo-communist europe is a distinct possibility - Britain and France are well advanced in that direction and Germany is catching up . Should that happen , America is left with the Visigrad Group in eastern europe and that’s about it . Ancillary to this is that America wants out of NATO - the investment just isn’t worth it anymore .
Main reason must still be that Greenland is under the flight path for missiles and planes from the Kola Peninsula, Russia , so is a natural defence barrier . And the arctic ice is melting, giving rise to all these new marine and submarine routes round the island . Finally , what’s wrong with growing USA’s land mass by +/- 20% ?
“Copenhagen lost its tenuous control of Greenland when Denmark was occupied by the German Nazis in 1940. In 1941 the United States occupied Greenland to use it during World War 2. The USA built airfields to serve as refueling sites for trans-Atlantic flights, and as bases for anti-submarine warfare. (These airfields still serve as Greenland’s international airports.)”
I’m surprised nobody in the comments has mentioned the practical aspects of simply buying the place. Buying Greenland is, more or less, the US proposal. I think if they offered $2 million to every Greenlander, spread as $400k payments over the next five years as long as the next President doesn’t renege on the deal, you’d see that 85% opposition vanish in a heartbeat. The US could also buy some other lightly populated island territories around the planet while they’re at it. Not saying I do or don’t support any of that, but I think it’d work.
The problem is, there’s no legal path for the Greenlanders to just reassociate with the US. They can vote for independence, and Danish parliament would have to approve.
"Legal path" is such a fuzzy concept when it comes to things like this, though. If the US convinced the Greenlanders that they wanted to switch over, the functional legal path is "What the fuck do you think you're going to do about it, Denmark?" It's not pretty, but it is realistic.
So what do you think is this all about? Rare earths (which are not rare, as he himself is fond of saying)? Getting rid of NATO through the back door as the primary goal through means he can ambiguously legally effect without congressional support? Is it really the Nobel snub? Is he just as retarded – but differently – as the Eurotards?
It certainly is not the claimed reason – Denmark has been an ultra-accomodating ally in all things, including Greenland, and the only major military presence is already American with Pituffik SB (née Thule AFB). The idea that Russia or China might conquer it seems quite fanciful, or rather more delusional than the Swedish boomer obsession with Russia’s alleged drive to conquer Gotland.
Just because Trump says something doesn't mean that requirements of logic and evidence are suspended.
It's only about missile defense if it impossible for the US to site the desired part of the projected missile defense shield on Greenland under current arrangements, or any negotiated variant thereof.
Can you show that this is the case? The evidence seems to be to the contrary.
are you a weapons expert now? And frankly, no one needs to show you anything. The Man wants Greenland, end of story. That is what Denmark did way back when - send troops, take it. You as a weapons expert, can do the same, you know?
I'm not so sure. The issue in question requires no knowledge of warheads, range, guidance systems etc. The issue is whether the missile defense shield (whatever the technology may be) can only be placed on Greenland territory by the annexation of that country, and by risking the demise of NATO.
Trump has just lost himself and the US its international credibility by promising the Iranians that he would intervene (kinetically) if the regime started to slaughter them. This gave the Iranians the confidence they needed to risk (and lose) their lives. Trump then reneged on his promise. Even if, let's say, a military attack on the Iranian regime turned out to be a bad idea, the damage was still done by Trump's initial blustering - if he didn't know whether he could deliver, he should have kept his mouth shut.
You can take the "ra-ra, Trump right or wrong, MAGA forever" route if you like, but if Trump is shielded from all criticism and left to say and do whatever he fancies, the Democrats will regain their majorities later this year (already a high probability), resume the impeachment clown show, and then regain the White House in 28.
Sorry, I got whiplash - Greenland, Iran, geopolicy, MAGA, WH '28 - just missed Ancient Aliens and the pyramids to be complete.
You sounded like Biden when he asked "why couldn't they shoot them in the leg?"
And be all means, Im not sarcasm expert - but I do not opinionate when it comes to things I do not understand such as where to place weapons for maximum effectiveness. Way past my pay grade.
It is possible that it is purely about humiliation. There are people who really do think the purpose of life is to humiliate others ... and not just their enemies. It's a rare psychological type, but does exist.
It’s an interesting angle because all Europe did was humiliate Trump at every single turn, there was zero exceptions. Through media, helping to create Russiagate, the backstabbing, I mean, he does have some reasons to go for bear with these folks. What’s that meme with someone doing passive aggressive and then the US response is pure aggressive.
I think it’s to get Europe to wake the fuck up and defend itself. It’s a Trump way of showing them they are weak and can’t defend Themselves and it’s not viable for them to rely on us. Amongst many other reasons. If a World War pops off there is no strategic benefit for us to defend Europe. I think this is a pretty strong message in that regard.
Gotland, like Åland, offers too much in the way of obstacles to a Russian assault over the Baltic, which is why Gotland esp. is such a bugbear for the Russians and why Sweden must re-build the defenses foolishly removed in the 1990s and later. Also why there's a treaty regulating the status of Åland and the lack of placement of military assets there by Finland and Sweden.
It's no obsession but a consequence of geography: if Russia wants to cross the Baltic in a war, then Russia must take Gotland and Åland.
So if Russia wants to cross the Baltic in a war, it would have to cross the Baltic 3/4 of the way to Gotland? Yeah, that checks out, but it does not explain why it would do that in the first place. To conquer Sweden? For what? I think they have enough iron ore and low-infrastructure subarctic woodland at home for their level of ambition.
The real value of Sweden is the native population which would either fuck off the second a war starts or be immensely hostile.
Sweden has nothing worth conquering for them, and not much operational potential either due to sparse infrastructure, except for defending your own territory. So why toddle onto that mine? Sure, you have very hardened and dispersed airfields, but those seem to be very hard to use except for your excellent, but light & few, domestic fighters.
They would also have to play exactly to their weaknesses (naval power, independent (non-GCI) air power).
As for Åland, as far as the Baltic is concerned, there is way more infrastructure for interdiction on the southern Swedish mainland, which is also closer. Both Åland and Gotland are easily under NATO ground-based air defences as well, but fairly ambitious shots against maneuvering and/or ECM-enabled targets from either conquered Baltics or Königsberg, even with their few highest-end systems.
This is what I mean by delusional. If I were one to psychoanalyze others I’d say it’s a displacement obsession for the obvious demographic conquest of Sweden from other corners of the world which is the actual security threat for the Swedish way of life, but I’m not, so it just puzzles me.
Suppose they wanted to attack EuroNATO – why would they not just go the land route, and deal with Sweden by cutting off the Kattegat and negotiate surrender with Swedes nibbling on sparse knäckebröd without a functioning power grid after a few missile strikes?
Also extremely fanciful, but more realistic than an opposed landing against an adversary with naval and air supremacy, and ground-based mobile anti-shipping batteries in range, over a distance comparable with the D-Day landings even from the closest points in the putatively conquered Baltic countries.
From a Swedish perspective it is more important to make it too expensive to try. From a Russian perspective making it not necessary is the most reasonable approach.
But both sides must consider the other one deciding to go for it, if that other side finds that circumstances warrant it.
The old Soviet plan was to nuke Denmark, smash through Finland with thousands of armoured vehicles and 250 000 or more soldiers, jump the Baltic and plow through Sweden in three places to reach the Norwegian coast, all in under three weeks.
To prevent US/NATO reifnorcements from being able to land. Concurrently, a naval force was to take or exterminate Iceland. Britain was to be subjected to nuclear saturation bombardment using ICBMs and then ivnaded to prevent it being used the way it was in WW2.
Russia today can't do that - it completely lacks any capability.
Russia in ten years?
Might be able to. Or it might have collapsed. Or it might be at war with the EU. Or parts might be occupied. Or...
That's how you must look at these things. What can happen. Then prepare for it to happen, while working to make it not happen.
Something the Americans seems to both succeed and fail at, at the same time, since theyve stopped trying to understand that other people and nations aren't extensions of the USA:
The link goes to a very good run-down on how American strategic studies fails and continue to fail, and why - highly relevant to Trump's administration.
It is also applicable to the topic of the Baltic: Swedish mil-int and sig-int studies Russian, Russian history, culture and anthropology to understand how they think and reason.
One must try to understand the Other, as the Other understands himself.
Yeah duh, you have to be strong to deter. I’m just saying it’s a relatively trivial point of deterrence compared to e.g. what the Poles face, and I think even they are fairly safe. Only NATO members in real and substantial danger seem to be the Baltics, who insist on being as loud and provocative as they can.
Another puzzling behaviour to me. Maybe I’m just easily puzzled.
2.6 million migrants were deported or self-deported in 2025. Very, very few came in across the border, the fewest since the 1960s. 2025 was the first time since at least Reagan that we had negative net migration.
Ah - you mean pay off a bunch of people in a nasty little corrupt country (Mauritius) that has nothing at all do with Chagos, but happens to be friends with India and CCP? Just what activist lawyers Mr Starmer KC, Mr Hermer KC and Mr P Sands KC like.
I assure you the public generally do not agree with this and Starmer has lost a lot of cfredibility over it. Doing it in the knowledge Mauritious is friendly with CCP and at the same time the Labour government is to grant permission for a huge (huge!) new embassy compound right on the edge of the financial district, at an important road junctyion and adjacent to fibre optic cables that run from Docklands, leads many to suspect the motives.
Well, presuming Pres. Trump was looking for an excuse to relieve his nation of the burdens of NATO. His ever so sophisticated Eurobetters really showed him, eh?
My gosh we've intersected on the astral plane. Yesterday channel surfing I encountered one of those later Eddie Murphy films and had the same thoughts about his years of glory.
Trumps reaction towards Norway is reminiscent of the CCP reaction to dissident Liu Xiaobo receiving the prize in 2010. China too acted as if the winner is chosen by the Norwegian government, and not the independent committee (albeit selected by parliament) who actually does it.
The Chinese punished Norway with a break in diplomatic relations for 6 years, leading to massive economic costs for export industry and to Norwegian leaders having to grovel at the stinky feet of Chinese leaders for years to reestablish economic ties. But the Chinese reaction was seen more as a sort of natural disaster, where moral condemnation was futile, than an action by rational political actors, and so much negotiating was done in the shadows to appease the asian super power. In the case of Trump however, condemnation is now unanimous.
One great irony here is that this years Nobel prize has been heavily criticized in Norway for being Trump-friendly, in that it went to a Trump-supporter. Criticism of the committee – who once awarded the prize to Obama for merely giving nice feels – from the left is rare to say the least. And now anyone in Norway who's ever been even neutral to Trump (very, very few) will be attacked with variants of "how do you nationalists like him now??" A portion of the very few Trump-supporters still like him, and have to balance the joy of seeing eurocrat Støre being pressured with the depressing fact of our country and economy again being used as a geopolitical pawn. As you have argued, this is all in all very bad for any Norwegian mega/maga-sympathizers, and even just the center-right. Sad.
This is an interesting and possibly unintentional contrasting point, but it sounds like the Norwegian ruling elite feared and respected China but not the US President. This is arguably the problem. It's much easier to have polite relations with someone who never asks you to do anything you don't want to do (eg Biden).
Yes I was partly alluding to this, altho the state leaders didnt necessarily "fear and respect" China so much as just having to deal with their irrational response because of serious economic consequences. Imo we/they should have told China to fuck off, and tried to sell our salmon elsewhere, and free ourselves from the economic bondage to the dystopian asian state in the process. But such things are obviously hard sells to Norwegian companies with large exports to China.
That most Norwegians condemn Trumps actions now, and that all politicians more or less explicitly condemn, is in part because they expect more from an american president, the leader of a country we're historically and culturally closely allied with, than they expect from the distant and half crazy Chinese. (Its also because Norwegian media have collective TDS). In practice most Norwegians obviously feel much closer to the US, and you could say feel far greater "respect" than towards China, but untill now have not felt it necessary to "fear" their ally.
The very small maga-aligned right wing in Norway however, have for a long time feared the US that e.g. led NATO into a proxy war with Russia, or the US that put Biden in power, etc. So there are several factors in play here of course - who and what USA are Norwegians and Europeans to respect. This move from Trump also increases the chance of pushing Norway into the EU, which is horrendous.
This push for Greenland with tariff punishments are just not good for the european right, altho its partly understandable that americans are fed up with eurocrats. But this current strategy will not help Europe in long run.
We were historically and culturally connected. The US didn't move.
I believe we should take it by force and defend it. What are you going to do about it? Wring your hands and badmouth President Trump? Pee your pants? Get in line. Europe may continue their silly war with Russia on their own with their Ukraine proxy. Personally I hope we pull entirely OUT of NATO. Leave you all flat. By yourselves. Alone.
Europe with their poison mass immigration, rising totalitarian fascism, your new love of censorship, your so called "hate crimes" persecutions/prosecutions over social media posts, confiscatory monetary fines and thought crime laws against your citizens. Your digital ID's and Central Bank Digital Currency... you may go straight to hell. Take your buddy Claus Schwab and the WEF Nazi's with you.
Your globalist poison BS spreads. Europe is led by a bunch of liberal weaklings and wannabe tyrants who would be entirely unable to defend themselves. You'll be lucky to keep your lights and heat on. The Eurotard rulers have made a joke of themselves and any fool can easily see it if they take half a look. Allies my ass. Look at ya. You'd ALL be speaking German.
If you think I'm the only American that thinks like this, you are dead wrong. We watch you. We know what you are doing.
lol ok sir. But you and the alleged many that think like you and "watch" "us", should start out by noticing which europeans you're talking to. You're bitching up the wrong tree about European politics here, while embodying the stereotype of American ignorant of all things beyond their own state lines. You should also know that the US government were enacting most of the dreaded policies you describe merely two years ago, in fact they created the blueprint for much of them, e.g. "hate crimes". And if Trump does not succeed at getting a third term at age 82, or some Maga-man does not follow him, you may very well be the victim of thought crime laws yourself when Cortez/Omar 28 take the reigns. Good luck
Precisely. Mr Pax Americana has some layers of cogdis to eliminate before he realizes that no one is coming to save his "freedom". What goes around comes around. So despite all the bravado at cracking down on illegals with the latest overreach of the police state....slowly but surely civil liberties will continue to be taken away with each "crisis". Considering how much this current regime is in debt to the special folks(victims emeritus) perhaps you will feel all warm and patriotic with HQ in Tel Aviv. Meanwhile the bewildered herd are lining up for the latest round of team red vs team blue. The focus should be up into the overlords....not sideways to the continuously manipulated flock.
Interesting that you vent the irrational anger you have towards Europe in this forum. Have you read only this post from Eugyppius? Most of the Europeans here would agree with you.
But, as an American myself, I'd like to suggest it's not a good idea to be so high and mighty about how little America needs Europe. America itself is only a half step away from the problems Europe has. Only a short year ago, America was still pushing insane gender ideology down the throats of the Eurocrats; who, in fact, were not going down that path on there own until America foisted it upon them.
If things are so hopelessly lost in Europe, in spite of a solid and growing minority there that are pushing back (such as the readers here), what are we to make of the long term situation in America?
Don't forget the novel "native citizens come last" policies simultaneously imposed (it's magic!) by almost all EU members, especially UK and DR.
Amen!
No need for the US to own all of Greenland, we should just buy the 99% where there are no towns or settlements. Let those places, with sizable buffer areas, remain a Danish colony, or enclaves, or become sovereign entities (Chinese / Russian operated port facilities & airports prohibited). Give the Danes royalties on the mineral rights, to lower the purchase price. No 51st state, no new Americans.
Yet, Greenlanders don't wish to be Danes. They've been horribly mistreated as a Danish colony that's been exploited much more harshly, insidiously than if they were an American colony:
https://nypost.com/2026/01/16/world-news/greenlanders-speak-out-against-danish-rule-they-stole-our-future/
That said, there's not a consensus to become Americans. But we can stop with the phony baloney pretending that Denmark is their benevolent protector. Not one bit.
Change that paradigm and then the future of Greenland, be it under the US, Denmark or independently sovereign, becomes a much different conversation. And Trump's entreaties don't appear as menacing, foolish and unwanted as his critics would have us believe. Especially not his Danish critics. Who've been despicable stewards of the land, resources and people there. If anything that NY Post story should tell you is that the case can be made that taking them away from Denmark is a matter of morality and compassion.
PS: The current leaders of Greenland should have zero to very limited say in the future of Greenland. Every single one of them is a subject of Denmark serving at Denmark's pleasure. None of them have an ounce of ability to speak out for Greenland's sovereignty or choice of oversight and management. They could and would never speak against their master, Denmark, the hand that feeds them and has elevated them to the status in Greenland as an acceptable representative to the Kingdom of Denmark. In this type of situation the leaders of that land are uniquely disqualified from speaking for the people they "lead." Or, rather, were chosen to rule over them.
Thanks for the link, Freedom Fox!
Yes, for those who don't know: The committee that awards the Nobel Peace Prize consists of five people appointed by the politicians.
Naturally if at least three of the five are appointed by social democrats we get insane stuff like giving the PEACE prize to Al Gore or Obama, for politics, not peace.
But it is equally insane for Trump ("I like oil. We'll take the oil!") to claim that he has stopped eight wars, which no one in the world believes, and then actually, seriously, be angry because he didn't get the Peace Prize.
Someone wrote that he is "drunk with power." Unfortunately that could be true.
Too bad he doesn't use the power for what conservatives voted him into office to do.
Most of us are generally pleased with what he's accomplishing, quite literally by himself. We are waiting rather impatiently for the Republican legislature to catch up.
Also it should be noted that Alfred Nobel, the Norwegian inventor and engineer with whom the prize originated, invented nitroglycerine-based explosives. Far more powerful and safer to use than gunpowder, they revolutionized warfare both on land and at sea. Nobel Peace Prize, indeed.
The literature prize always goes to some woman from a country I never heard of
You just made me LOL
From the US’s perspective I would argue (if I wanted to argue but I probably see it your way more) I would say war with Russia is now and the Chinese/US Cold War is here. We don’t have time to wait for populism to take Europe. Trump needs the current European leadership to change course dramatically even if there are costs in otherwise positive longer term trends.
I think the Chinese started the Sino-US Cold War a decade ago. The US is only catching up. Biden did zero in this “battle” other than surrender. And then show the utter incompetence of America in the Afghan withdrawal disaster.
To be fair to Biden, he was always a no-account plagiarist with no ability. And then he also lost what little mind he had. Oh, and he showed how easy it is to commit grift in America. If he, as the Big Guy, can rack in millions, imagine what a competent person can do. Or the Somalis (mostly, with an assist from others) can rake in Billions.
I think you are right . It’s obvious that Europe is incapable of acting . Any change must be forced on them .
Firstly, I'm addressing your current leaders not the poor helpless European citizens caught under their tyranny. But then somebody elected them from the citizenry unless like many U.S. "Blue States" or Democrat run states and localities over here, where liberals rule and elections are rigged.
Your's are too I'm pretty sure. Liberals hold power by using election fraud as happened when Joe Biden was INSTALLED through election fraud in 2020. Where they flipped the numbers in the dead of night and stole the election during the scamdemic.
Secondly I said, "this shit spreads". Biden and the criminals of the U.S. Democrat Party are liberals cut from the same cloth as the Eurotard globalists running the EU and the UK. One and the same ilk. Shit for brains liberal elitists who worship power, personal wealth, corruption, globalism and authoritarianism.
Yes, two years ago we had the same rotting ilk, a pile of inhuman garbage named Joe Biden and his filthy criminal U.S. Democrat Party in power doing all the same obnoxious things. You are totally correct.
But... we tossed them all out in the 2024 general election with a turnout too big for the filthy Democrats to steal again. In 2024, President Trump won every swing state, and the popular vote hands down. A slaughter. We were as sick as we could get of the liberal agenda. Look at us now. He was issued a conservative mandate to clean up the fascist Democrat mess. And he's doing it. He's redesigning the U.S. Federal government eliminating the money laundering sources that had been built in to it to fund the progressives. USAID for example. A money laundering criminal entity with a direct money pipeline to the Democrat machine. Gone. Shut down.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming the EU or UK rank and file citizenry except for those who vote for authoritarian jerks like Starmer and Merz. Trust me I hold pure unbridled hate for American liberals too. Anyone who votes for these people, these charlatans, these leftists regardless of what side of the pond they are on, are the enemy of freedom and liberty, who I look forward to raising arms against. You'll have to be happy with sharp sticks and rocks since you have no personal arms. We do in fact have arms over here, otherwise we'd be in the same helpless boat as you. Helpless against the oppression you suffer at the hands of your probably fraudulently elected leftist tyrants.
If we don't stop this globalist bullshit and all their Marxist divisive scams like so called climate change measures built on a pile of pure lies, CBDC's, Digital ID's, obviously and blatantly racist DEI, open borders, coddling the mentally ill with their transexual perversions, the drugging and trans mutilations of children, men with their big hairy dicks invading woman's sports teams claiming absurdly that they are women as well as all the other useless outrageous nonsense these liberal bastards weaponize against the average people who pay the bills, this world and humanity at large will become a miserable place for everyone but the elites, who will have it all.
America is not immune because this globalist ideology is well, global. Trust me, it's going to get very bloody over here between right and left, if our own liberals don't tone it down in places like Minnesota. But I for one will not sit by and allow radicals, socialists, Marxists or globalists to take over this country and wipe their asses on our founding, our heritage, our liberty and our God given constitutional rights. I'll fight until my last breath leaves my dead body to stop these freakish liberal bastards and I sincerely suggest you do the same if you want to be free.
Well phrased! You'll enjoy this by Carter on "Shout Out UK)' (Youkay's propaganda machine)
https://open.substack.com/pub/barsoom/p/amelia-sans-merci?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Did the Norwegian people want to trade neutrality for NATO membership or was that done Helmet Kohl style when it came to Germany adopting the euro (essentially by decree because he knew the German people wouldn’t go for it)?
Norway was a founding member of Nato in 1949 and entered in large part as a consequence of being occupied by Nazi-Germany throughout WW2, as well as the threat of sharing a border with the Soviet Union. Of about 2 million citizens about half voted for the social democrat party ("Arbeiderpartiet" – the workers party) who had a pure majority in parliament. Despite the party name's seeming reference to communism, they were social democrats explicitly opposed to communists, and joining Nato was an equally explicit alliance with the West and American power.
Thanks for that. I have to confess I had a brain fart and was thinking of Finland (and despite how it looks I do know the difference between the Scandinavian countries! So I am a bit embarrassed lol). I think there is subtle pressure here in Ireland to officially pick sides (which is done by the media for us anyway). Should Ireland arm up I reckon we would resemble the various troops sent to Greenland (a joke). As Michael Burry (Big Short) famously said recently about the crazy markets, sometimes the best way to win is not to play. I think that’s true for tiny countries and geopolitics when the Big Powers seem bent on raising hell.
Your mistake is forgiven, as we inhabitants of small countries who are not too inflicted with ethno-narcissism realize most of the world dont care or know who we are. On that note, perhaps the Irish should recall the warrior path of your great ancestor and national hero Braveheart, and rally a forceful attack toward your new mighty oppressor.
LOL! I think you did that purposefully, because William Wallace (whom the movie Braveheart was about) was Scottish, not Irish. Too funny.
Norwegian revenge.
The Irish are too busy committing national suicide to bother with Trump, or any other alleged external threat. For his part, Trump doesn't need to do anything to the Irish. They're doing a fine job of self-extinguishing. One thing I will give to you and your countrymen, however. You don't seem to have followed your neighbors down the path of suicide by empathy.
Ironically I’m an immigrant here - now 36 years (from the US, married an Irishman). I’ve tried to explain to my Irish friends that when I emigrated (engaged), I had to provide a letter to the Irish Revenue assuring them I would not become a financial burden to the country (my father in law provided that assurance). How times have changed.
Finland is not a Scandinavian country. It appears that you don’t know the difference between Scandinavian countries at all.
I find nitpickers rather tiresome - I get ‘scoring points’ might stroke your ego. And I accept I may be lacking geographic precision given I’m referring to the northern region more broadly. However, I’m operating under this definition: usually refers to the three core nations (Denmark, Norway, Sweden) or the Scandinavian Peninsula (Norway, Sweden, and parts of Finland). People often think the Republic of Ireland is part of the UK - no one is perfect.
LOL. Most of eugyppius' commenters (and eugyppius himself) are nitpickers extraordinaire.
forgot to mention that Nato-support was not unilateral, but more about 50 %, and most opposition coming from the left.
Has anything changed regarding their ability to secure their border with Russia? Didn't think so.
Peace prize has been called War prize for a while now. At least since mass murderer Kissinger was nominated. The committee is a joke.Trump ie. the deep state back him, doesn't care about this prize, it is an excuse.
This Grønland act is just about a redeployment of imperial American projects.
The Ukraine proxy war has not been working as expected in order to dismantle Russia, and the side effect has been the formation of a block around China and Russia.
Grønland can be interesting for mineral resources, but anyway because it is under the direct path of last generation Russian rockets stationed in Murmanskaya oblast, targeting USA, so it is a better place for trying interception.
But the most important point for Greenland as a US territory is that it will move the US maritime zone much further North-East closer Northern Siberian sea way, Vladivostok-Murmansk.
Just take the daily minibuss in Kirkenes, by the corner of the Scandic, around 14:00 to Murmansk. (at this border paper visa mandatory, e-visa not accepted), and when in Murmansk walk back the railway station. This is a rail and transit terminal for ore from Norilsk to Nikel, among other things. Then in the fjord, a bit outside city, there is the Atomflot base, with several last generation ice-breakers. Some are used for the Northern-Siberian seaway. This maritime route had launched in 2025 Chinese cargo navigation. It is a short and safe route China and Eastern-Asia to Europe, as navigation is entirely inside Russian waters.
so the American ideologists dream of a disruption of this route as well of a combined NATO pressure using Ola in Finnmark, Timo in Finnish Lappland, in order to try something against Russia and disrupt the Chinese-Russian-European possible links.
The other day there was this empty tanker in Northern Atlantic , that US costal guards (coastal guards!!!!) hijacked outside Iceland by hooking themselves into UK maritime zone North-West of Scotland. By having its sovereign waters extended in Northern Atlantic outside Grønland, this kind of behaviour will be much easier.
So it is about Northern Atlantic and subpolar piracy plans and dreams of combined military Blitzkrieg using Finnmark and Lappland as bases.
The other front for disruption of an Eurasian block is Middle-East and yet another tentative of control Iran so to control all warm water straights with the transit to/from Indian Ocean. It is a try at a maritime blocus of continental dimension: from the South and from the North. Americans are gone full crazy.
All Norwegian ruling elites are a bunch of vassals of USA since Gro Brundtland and the duo Stoltenberg+Støre are champions in this category. They will be more than happy to fulfill their masters wishes. They can not stay silent in the current case, because what was called for 70 years after WW2 "international rules" is totally violated by the now openly rogue USA, For the sake of its image Norway has to protest a bit, instead of behaving like a consenting little bitch, which it is.
There was some slight criticism of the award to Obama in rightist TV news. Namely, Obama was the first person with a hit list to get the peace award. BTW, I also thought that award was "political", but I opine that all the peace awards are "political".
Obama showed the world the easiest way to a Peace Prize -- get it very early on, BEFORE you start all your wars.
> independent committee (albeit selected by parliament)
These two things are incompatible. The practice of politicians staffing institutions with solid ideological allies and then pretending those people are neutral is alien to Americans and frankly should be alien to Europeans too, because it's stupid and insulting. The Yookay is overrun with this dark pattern and only idiots can't see through it. The Nobel Prize is awarded by the Norwegian government based on its politics, and Trump is correct to just say that.
Not really "incompatible" at all. The five committee members are chosen by parliament with several long lasting guidelines attempting to assure independence, and altho complete neutrality is impossible in any institution there are in fact measures taken to approach it. And the laureates are not chosen by "the government based on politics" – that is just an absurd and factually incorrect statement.
Committee member may be generally aligned with a political or ideological climate, but that is not the same as the ruling parties dictating who wins the prize. Quite obviously, and its stupid to assert it. Cases in point are the two exact ones I point to in my first post, namely the winners in 2010 and 2025. Liu Xiaobo winning created a shitstorm for Norways relation to China, something the ruling parties would never invite on their own and had to struggle for years to undo the harm. And last years winner was a Trump supporter and the selection has been widely criticized in dominant left wing political circles.
Your suggestion that "staffing institutions with ideological allies" is "alien to Americans" is perhaps the most deluded statement in your post. We can start by remembering DOGE, and I'm not referring to Trump appointing Musk – altho that also tracks perfectly – but what DOGE uncovered about NGOs.
This is a classic defense of the quango - lots of assertions that the appointees are neutral, unbiased and consider only a rigorously precise list of factors without pre-existing belief or ideology intruding at all, but then not naming any of the "measures" taken to "approach" this ideal. Lots of ad hominem attacks though: not believing in this fairy tale is "absurd" and "factually incorrect" although no facts were presented or disputed. If someone started by thinking that there were no such measures and the process was fake, your reply would not have reassured them.
> that is not the same as the ruling parties dictating who wins the prize
A party is just a collection of people who share a political agenda. When parties pick people to sit on a committee, that committee becomes an extension of the party. Often it doesn't even require the party to explicitly pick - one left wing person is all it takes, as they'll immediately start taking it over via various means.
So when a committee is appointed by the government, that makes it an extension of the government's will. This will MIGHT be following an extremely precise and rigorously debated set of rules or guidelines, but even with something as precise as law such appointees will often bend it past the breaking point. And the method for choosing a Nobel Prize winner isn't laid out in law or litigated through the courts, so it doesn't even have that thin veneer of neutrality.
you are either blind, stupid or insane so I'll leave the argument here. I asserted nothing of what you claim, e.g. that appointees are completely "neutral, unbiased" and "without pre-existing belief or ideology intruding at all". This type of neutrality doesn't exist anywhere ever in human history btw, but I pointed to mitigating factors.
That you operate with a ridiculous black-white ideal of either total complete independence or total dependence just illustrates you have no capacity for nuanced thought on this matter. And the suggestion that I should name all measures for appointing committee members is equally ridiculous - you can spend five minutes on google and figure out the facts yourself. You also ignore my examples of laureates who contradicted interests of ruling political parties.
Its obvious you dont know anything about this and are just operating on your own assumptions and abstract idea of how European institutions are generally corrupt or whatever, and some vague idea about how a "party" inevitably selects automatons who promote a set "political agenda". This is simply not true in this actual case. I am no fan of Norways current admin or political elite or the ideological bent of the Nobel committee, and I'm totally opposed to the EU and all it entails. But to criticize these institutions requires a minimum of knowledge about their actual practical functioning.
More ad hominem. You're extremely keen on insults and conspicuously afraid of specifics. Conclusion: you know your argument is built on quicksand.
> This type of neutrality doesn't exist anywhere ever in human history btw, but I pointed to mitigating factors ... the suggestion that I should name all measures for appointing committee members is equally ridiculous
You didn't point to any mitigating factors. Not one. It's interesting that you think you did. Asserting everything is fine due to institutional mechanisms, and then insisting other people try to work out what you actually mean ... well it's a common tactic amongst people trying to defend the idea of quangos or independent experts.
I don't believe any such mechanisms exist, so I'm not inclined to write your argument for you. You clearly think there are good reasons to believe political appointees won't act politically, so explain! Show your working! If we understand each other's views, then they can be evaluated. Right now you refuse to explain your position, suggesting that maybe you can't.
> You also ignore my examples of laureates who contradicted interests of ruling political parties.
You mean the Trump supporter who was awarded the prize and immediately stated the award was politically motivated and should have gone to Trump himself? That example?
I'll remind you that you started your first post by pointing to how "stupid and insulting" it is to say that a parliament can appoint a committee and that that committee isn't automatically a perfect reflection of the ruling party, and that only "idiots" could not see through it. You yourself provided no concrete examples or lengthy factual specifics to illustrate this point.
"independent committee". The Peace Prize committee has been unabashedly political - lefty political - for years. It's a joke, and Trump's lack of an award after they awarded it to the likes of Arafat and Obama exposes it as such.
Race to the bottom here to see who can post the most idiotic comment.
Normally yanks ( aka septic tanks - as in full of shit) win hands down but the various Eurotwit comments are giving them a run for their money.
Great entertainment for the rest of the world, watching western pontificaters wither and die in the most painfully self inflicted fashion.
As you sit and do nothing but wring your hands and pontificate about how smart you are. You pal, are a laugh. You are the enemy.
And what are you(evidently a John Cena action man toy ) gonna do? Enlist in the military to make Greenland great again? Or perhaps enlist in one of the great European powers armies to defend Greenland. I think not.
Stuff yourself with popcorn and pontificate on substack about it is all you can do.
“ A portion of the very few Trump-supporters still like him….”
I’m having a bit of trouble understanding your appraisal here. Are you saying that Trump only ever had very few supporters, and that only a (small) portion of those still support him? If so, then please elaborate in how you come to those numbers.
Were you perhaps referring only to the (vitally-important) Norwegian Trump supporters?
I was indeed referring to Norwegian Trump supporters, which that paragraph was about, altho I never claimed they were vitally important to the US. But they are important to Norwegians who wish to be liberated from libtard and climatard politics, and this current move by the American administration is not good for those interests.
US should sacrifice US interests for the few Norwegians who share our disdain for the climate scam? That ship has sailed, with O'Biden asleep at the helm.
Seems to be a lot of pretending not to understand in this thread, but ok. First of all, as my first post is related to, the point is not just Norwegian domestic politics but all of Europe, and Norway in this instance serves as an example of the political dynamics at play. You could also say it does not serve American foreign policy interests in the long term that European countries turn further to the left, and indeed this alienation caused by current actions towards Greenland could also weaken Maga support amongst American independents. You can also question whether it's actually in the American interest to de facto annex the land of a sovereign European nation with whom the US already has a military alliance and access to establish military bases.
One could for sure. But one should also ask why this has become a centerpiece for Trump in his America First policy. It is clear that he does not trust Europe in its current political configuration, nor that much of Europe will remain a reliable US ally as it succumbs to Islam and greater authoritarianism.
It should also be noted that Greenland has been of interest to the US for over 150 years, the first effort made by President Andrew Johnson. Trump knows that when the US agains falls into the hands of the Progressives any interest in American interests will cease. He believes the window will close. Europe should ask who would be a better steward of Greenland; US, Russia or China.
I still think Trump comes out ahead on Greenland, no matter what. His primary objective here is (I think) to blow up NATO, which he sees as unnecessary, expensive, and stupid. Also let's keep in mind that public opinion and media opinion are two different things.
Well said. NATO is and has been for decades now- since the fall of the USSR, a cold war rusting, corroded relic of another era. It's a rip off for the American Tax payer. It exists now to justify it's own existence. We the citizens want out. We want our President to end it. The time has come to heal our country. America First. As for Greenland, who here thinks the Danes will be able to do anything if tomorrow the Chinese or Russia walks in and takes it? They won't be able to do squat. Neither will the EU or the UK. The Biden Proxy war in Ukraine has tapped them out. Out of weapons, out of money and Russia is losing it's patience. They are officially considering the use of nuclear weapons on Germany firstly and England secondly. Hypersonic missiles with nuclear warheads. NATO has zero ability to stop it. They had better get to ending the Ukraine war before something terrible happens.
And this quote can't be emphasized enough... "Also let's keep in mind that public opinion and media opinion are two different things." Bravo.
The US media or the so called mainstream media here in this country has about a 14% approval rating by U.S. citizens. People abroad need to understand it is a biased arm of the freakish Democrat Party. It is not in the least objective nor anything like a voice of the American People on which you might think you are getting the pulse of the USA. It's for the most part propaganda and it is dying because of it. CBS is trying to reform itself but not having too much luck with it. The youngsters now running the media have had their brains damaged by the Marxist professors in American academia who have poisoned their minds. The ratings of US media are in the toilet. A lot is just what President Trump says it is... Fake News.
Who would you rather see control of Greenland? The USA, or the communists? Sorry Denmark... you just can't do it. No offence intended. You just don't have the power and it's too strategically important to allow China or Russia to grab it from you. The Western Hemisphere is our hemisphere, not your hemisphere. You don't really own it anyway except in treaty. Old, old treaties. These are dangerous times. Please just get out of the way. Sell it to us or if need be, for national security and the security of the globe, we'll take it. That's the way it is. Again, no offense. We love the cheese danish pastries but then we know they actually originated in Austria didn't they? Oh that was uncalled for.
"Chinese civilization has become thoroughly outmoded... Chinese people are impotent both physically and mentally. China needs to be colonized for at least three hundred years. I still doubt whether three hundred years is enough." - Liu Xiaobo.
Liu Xiaobo was an unabashed apologist for violent regime change: "There is no free lunch anywhere in the world. The success of any righteous enterprise demands lots of suffering, even at a tragic price. This is especially true when law-abiding and civilized free countries are confronted with immoral and unreasonable authoritarian regimes, evil forces of terrorism and fundamentalism and the like and must enter into a contest, it is necessary to pay a huge price to win the final victory. The horrible catastrophe of 9/11 is the price forthe US to promote freedom, the anti-terror war after 9/11 is only thebeginning of an open contest between the forces of freedom andterrorism, NATO soldiers and civilian casualties are the price we mus tpay to fight terrorism, to overthrow Saddam's tyranny, and to build a democratic Iraq".
If TRUMP will invade GREENLAND, it will be in that 100 year old tradition of the monocle wearing eunuch in the lead command car just keeps driving across the imaginary line of the border and settles in for a restful 5 or 6 year occupation at the idyllic French chatteau?
Please Lord, let us finally be rid of NATO and let the Eurotard Islamic nations defend themselves. We shouldn't spend one nickel defending these scummy ingrates. While we're at it, kick all the criminals out of the UN building and use it to house homeless veterans. Its long past due that we cut ties with the garbage, anti-Democratic nations in Europe. Let them make their windmills and censor their people while we return our attention to America First where it belongs.
Agreed. I've wanted the US to hand NATO over to the Europeans since 1995.
As a Brit, I agree.
As a fellow Brit, I agree too.
I think you "agree" in the sense that you'd like Britain and European countries to be able to defend their own territory alone. That isn't possible today and isn't even close to possible; Europe and Britain are years away from even having governments that are ideologically able to take defense seriously - in the best case!
In practice what a retreat of the US means is that Russia takes over and we discover why 1984 had a territory called "Eurasia" in it.
Not quite. The UK and Europe need a wake up call and to accept our Pygmy place in the new world order, stop being a moral conscience for the world and just get on with being small, top heavy states with massive welfare commitments, unsupported by tax take. And do something about it. We need allies such as the US and we should be nice to them rather than take a snooty moral high ground. We are no longer important and should behave thus.
We should be nice to them and I always am! I think Brits in general are not the worst when it comes to snootiness. If anything the British left is far too easily distracted by American politics, see the recent Labour mayors writing open letters about ICE or whatever.
The snootiness and antagonism unfortunately does mostly come from the Germans, in my experience. If you see someone calling themselves a European Citizen then you can be pretty sure their name is Helmut.
All of the economies of Western Europe are dependent in large part on vast amounts of American dollars being shoveled at them, either via NATO support, UN structures, or direct investments like massive, high-spending military bases on their territory. After 80 years of this they have become completely used to it and spent the money they would have on other things, like My Little Commie governments with fat social programs to buy max votes from dependent populations of serfs. If we pulled out, a whole lotta very expensive change would be needed nearly overnight, which would cause all those peasants to hit the streets with pitchforks as all their beloved social programs were severely curtailed.
If only you would… 🤔
Fair enough.
Let's part ways.
So, how's that going to help the USA?
Note: the continent of North Amer-i-ca happens to contain more than the USA.
How's that going to help the USA? For starters, we'll no longer have to pay billions defending a bunch of cowardly losers who hate us. We'll never have to hear Euroweenies talking shit about America again. For decades we've listened to pompous, foppish Eurotards lecture America while they intentionally destroy their nations. If you're going to continue to elect retards then you're gonna get everything you deserve. Time for the morning prayers to Allah!
So North America contains more than the USA? Are you talking about the Snow Mexicans up north? Lmao, you can have those losers too. As soon as Trump ends the USMCA this year, their economy will crash and their whole country will go bankrupt except Alberta which is smart enough to get the hell out.
"Snow Mexicans" got a laugh out of me. Canada has a surprisingly belligerent posture, a lot of "don't mess with our pride" relative to the military and economic benefit it derives from the US. I do really feel for a lot of people there who did not personally choose the socialist idiocy that is being forced upon them. But you already mentioned Alberta as an exception ;)
It's interesting that Quebec chose language over religion, imported a lot of muslims, and is increasingly intolerant of the faith that birthed it and the liberal values that everyone so long touted.
It's kind of a case study in socialist demoralization. But still with lots of national pride, apparently. The moment you say a mean thing about the maple syrup, they spite you by not electing Poilievre...
They're all (Europe and Canada) saturated in propaganda and lies which is not their fault. But failing to see the lies at this point is their fault. The whole socialist idiocy is a case study in oxymorons and real life morons who hold polar opposite views whenever the narrative tells them to. I'm tired of pretending people have no agency or responsibility. I'm supposed to feel bad because they're retarded?
amazing fact: my 320 grit sandpaper is made by what I always considered a manufacturing powerhouse: 3M. now it says "Made In Canada" ????? I think Minnesota can still make sandpaper.
Well, the United States still makes some of the best high-tech stuff, like paper towels, facial tissue and toilet paper, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of that is made in Canada too.
As a semi-Canadian living a mile from the border, I like to refer to the Canadian Dollar referred to as the "Hudson Bay Peso".
Hahahaha!!!
I remember way back whenever you'd end up with a Canadian quarter or dime, you'd wince a bit.
those guys have been ripping us off on maple syrup for years ; )
Because the New England maple trees were wiped out by disease.
The Quebecois don't care about the maple syrup. They're all about the cretons and the poutine.
It's as if the Trump was in the Room.
Such knowledge.
Such balance.
For the record, we really, really do not dislike any citizens of the USA.
"such knowledge, such balance". I guess your BBC disagrees. See, this is the problem, even the so called normal white people in Europe are deluded imbeciles still clinging to the lies sold to them by their ruling pedophiles. Wake the F up. Europe is the only entity still clinging to the Climate Scam so they can steal your hard earned money and more than half you morons still believe the world will be underwater next week. The dumbest people on earth. The whole Globalist facade is crumbling. And Eurotards are still arguing about knowledge and balance instead of restoring their countries to greatness. You can start by deporting all the "People of Colour" who have spread the wonders of diversity throughout Europe. Thanks Angie Merkel!
Your hate is a tad misdirected. Focus on the Globalists as your bad guy, the politicians do their bidding and the people are all brainwashed (as we are here in the USA).
We, Americans, are not superior nor are we the 'good guys'. That's all Hollywood crap. We are an extension of the British empire (It's just business, nothing personal) and we are destined to self-destruct, like all empires.
Chill out.
Oh great, the AWFL Karens have arrived. Don't tell me what to do. And you can stick your "we're all at fault" bullshit where the sun don't shine.
Get back to us when the tumbrels start rolling. Time is wasting.
The Net Zero scam was 'sold' by a well-known former USA Vice President, enabled by McKinsey & Company, buffed up by Vanguard et al, and promoted by Bloomberg.
That looks an awful lot like Wall St.
Meanwhile, we just pay, and pay, and pay.
Wall Street, City of London, International bankers, global corporations, every scumbag at Davos, its all the same shit. Their time is running out.
T. B.U.: you keep hitting the nail right on the head.
I'm old enough to remember when it was racist to lump all non-whites together as "coloreds" but now it is fashionable again.
No! No! It's PEOPLE of coloreds!
Sadly, not the only part of the world. My own unfortunate country, Australia, is still totally convinced by the green new scam. When I was young (a very long time ago) we produced everything we needed. Now we’re beggars and going broke faster and faster. Alas my poor country
My brother thinks climate change is the biggest hoax perpetuated on humanity in history. I disagree, I think it's vocal pitch correction in the music industry.
Covid was a bigger scam.
I'm pretty confident they don't tax me to do that. I'm with Bubba.
White Europeans reading this blog really don't fit your description.
Then let them defend themselves. Lets start with thousand of little white girls getting raped by muslims and why the white Europeans have done nothing? Oh, that's right, they gave up their right to self defense and gave all their guns to the government. TO THE GOVERNMENT! Lmao, don't defend those retards.
sweettooth, look at his/her name. I took the bait and regret it. So ugly. A disservice to E!
We really do not dislike any citizens of Britain - except for those you've imported, and your insufferable elite. But then again, our elite almost as bad.
May I shake your hand, here. Thank you.
Hm. You sure about that? All my relatives live in Greece and it seems every time I visit, the “not disliked” list is getting shorter and shorter. Still, there were only a handful of names on it to begin with…it’s been all downhill on that score since the last US Nobel Peace Prize-winning President, to be honest.
I think if we meet person to person, generally we like to find out more about each other. When it comes to the show of mainstream media and national politics, it is possible to enact received wisdom.
Citizen to citizen, we are friends and have very real threats to our peaceful lives.
Albertan here. Disgusted with our federal government. Hate the direction Canada is taking under Mark Carney (what Justin Trudeau started). A new book called Under Assault details how China has infiltrated and manipulated Canada since the the inception of the CCP. So now Canada under the Carney Liberals is moving toward China because of Trump which is insane. I hope we will separate from Canada but don't hold much hope of that.
I have a question… Dr. William Makis (oncologist from Alberta) has been talking extensively about the pedophiles in the Alberta government. And yes, he brings the receipts… 😱😱😱 They have been going after his cancer clinic for years.
Any thoughts on this matter? Here is one of the links… There are many.
https://makisw.substack.com/p/breaking-news-alberta-premier-danielle-c85
Not a believer that DJT is the savior, BUT there is much that amuses and frankly heartens in these events.
The age of multinational arrangements to "secure peace" has proven to be a century-plus racket by global elites to profit and strangle us through endless war and idiotic tyrannical policymaking. Trump's oldfashioned Greenland grab would demonstrate -- in what would surely be a "war" about as bloody and long as the Maduro panty raid-- that those days are over. If that's the end of NATO, well, that's the point.
Suggestion to DJT: institute a "Trump Peace Prize" and present it to yourself.
The part about “ They hate us “ hits a nerve .
They are such weak men and deranged women in leadership.
I hate them because they represent decadence . Germany ..of all countries to be run by someone like Merz . a disgrace .
lol
"Snow Mexicans". Hahaha. I always called it "North North Dakota".
100% agree. I'd like to add that getting rid of NATO might well be the primary objective. Whether the US buys Greenland, takes it by force, or Trump just continues his trash-talk campaign, it's going to end NATO - an unnecessary, expensive, and stupid ball and chain around US foreign policy.
"So North America contains more than the USA? Are you talking about the Snow Mexicans up north?"
We in the states often fall victim to the mental stumble of forgetting that the Scorpion Mexicans down south are also part of North America.
Though it takes a true government dullard in DC to insist that we need passports to travel to New Mexico.
I agree with your comments, except to say Canada's economy is doomed regardless.
We'll see. They need to go back to making stuff and abandon the Climate Scam nonsense to give themselves a chance. Repackaging Chinese crap for export is not gonna cut it.
most of their economy in the past twenty years has been laundering dirty money for the Chinese via real estate...that game may be up.
I'd buy a red cap that says "Make 3M American Again"
You really don't want one. Put it on your head, and you will never get it off.
For now.
Spending too much time with it, and making yourself angry? I've left social media platforms for similar reasons. All the best to you as well. It's been fun.
Oh Lord! Deliver us of the many American arrogant idiots and let us come to security and economic agreements with Russia and China, two powers that never came to the idea of annexing territories of European countries because they think that I want it is the equivalent of I own it.
Right, come to an economic agreement with Russia who you've basically declared war on and are trying to steal their money. Brilliant. Nobody wants to annex any European countries because then they'd have to take care of their lazy, ignorant populations and no one can afford that. You have no raw materials, no oil, no armies. You're totally fuckin useless. Nobody gives a shit about Europe anymore.
That's harsh...
Let's talk about Ukraine, Tibet, Taiwan...
As for Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Djibouti, realize that economic war isn't hot war, but it's conquest all the same.
Congrats on the (so far) 107 likes! I've never seen a higher number, nor one anywhere close on any web site's comments section.
The people have been pent up and not allowed to express themselves. Seeing someone speak the truth is liberating.
You seriously think that being ruled by a Fascist, child rapist , serial Bankrupt -6 times no less, is something that Greenlanders will consider . My goodness you are not quite bright enough to know you are terminally stupid.
Don't you have some Peter, Paul and Mary songs to memorize before tonight's ICE protest? Maybe a Tesla dealership to burn down. Or I guess you and your fellow Trantifa scumbags can continue assassinating people. My goodness, you're a piece of shit Leftard. Fuck off you tranny faggot.
This is why Kumbaya is so popular. There's, like, eight words in it, total.
"child rapist?"
You do know we changed presidents last year, don't you?
Trump has some great lawyers. How good is yours?
I don’t need one , he’s going to need an army of them . A convicted felon, a serial bankrupt - 6 times no less. A fraudster A sex pest . It’s all in the public domain . We only need the Epstein files and he’s done . You are just not quite bright enough to know you are terminally stupid .
Well that just confirms my worst fears about the US and its ability to elect a President .
Well said . My sentiments exactly .
The problem is are the Europeans really going to build up their armies if that means having to cut pensions to pay for it?
Well, I'd prefer they did an about face and returned to reason. If not, cut 'em loose.
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Every time I read about this story I get a huge smile on my face. Back when Ursula Von Der Retard won the capitulation Olympics against Trump in the "trade deal" i rather remarked that Trump would inevitably be back for moooooaaaaar and not 6 months later, here we are.
These fucking morons thought Trump forgot about the many, many, many grievances he had accrued during Bidens term, and during the election season. The guy is not stupid and is serving his vengeance coldly, painfully, and with great humiliation. This is far from over, there is oh so much more coming
Anything that makes Ursula Fond of Lying squirm is OK by me (from the North Korean Republic of the UK)
lol
What is astounding to me is that the Eurotards don't seem to 'get it'.
It's pure entertainment. Calling him 'Daddy' was icing on the cake.
There is no competence layer beneath the stupidity. These people are morons all the way down, at every layer, to the core. Trump could literally scream from the hilltops his intentions and they still wouldn't get it.
But but but you don't understand! The Euro mainstream *disapproves* of us! The NY Times will surely follow suit. The shame, the shame.
"The guy is not stupid"
Um, yes. He has failed to do anything against mass immigration, which is what he was voted into office for. He has completely ditched his main election promise, which was actually invented by Steve Bannon: To build the Wall. Trump instead signed Paul Ryan's omnibus bill, which specifically banned Wall funding and ICE expansion. Paul Ryan said that "we'll get to that later." Then Ryan just laughed and said no, he wouldn't get to that later, and he wouldn't run for office again anyway so Trump could do nothing to him.
Trump signed a deal with a pro-immigration politician who promised him change "later," and then just ditched that. Trump got played like an idiot.
Now Trump is looking to take land to get in the history books, even though it's an economic drain, the people there would vote Democrat so Trump would increase Democrat seats in the House, and the U.S. ALREADY HAS MILITARY ACCESS TO GREENLAND.
Yet he pretends that "Russia and China want Greenland," a blatant lie and irrelevant even if they would want that, and "I have stopped eight wars" and "I have done more for NATO than anyone else so now NATO should do something for me." All of this is the talk of a little baby with no connection to reality. None.
He was great at campaigning in 2015 and 2016. I supported him then, at personal cost. Now he is the same age as Biden was three years ago. It shows.
You think he ran for potus for YOU?
He didn't. None of them do. And he knows the next 3 years are his last chance. That makes him very dangerous to his enemies. Who do you think those are?
".. and Greenlanders themselves are overwhelmingly opposed to leaving the Danish kingdom to become a freely associated U.S. territory."
Are they? In german tv one can see only Danish-Greenlanders speaking.
What about the Inuit, where women without knowing were made infertile by the Danish? Who already have tribe-brothers living happily in the US for a long time?
To me it looks, they are not asked yet or if they have been asked, have not responded in the danish hoped fashion.
The most recent credible poll from early 2025 has 85% opposed to re-associating with US:
https://www.veriangroup.com/news-and-insights/opinion-poll-greenland-2025
There's no mystery about the reasons why. Among other things, Greenlanders have much more generous benefits as a part of the Danish kingdom than they would receive as a freely associated US territory.
I cannot think of Trump not already courting the natives. And the US has by far the better hand:
1) Not harmed the poeple.
2) Deeper Pockets.
3) Able to prevent them to get colonized by communism.
4) Already Inuit living freely among their US-nation.
5) Trump promised not to do Trump-Towers there.
In fact it is ridiculous better.
We were doing much worse to our own native peoples back when Denmark was "harming the people".
Only 6% of Greenlanders actually want to join the U.S. Most of them want eventual independence but not at the expense of economic disadvantages.
I spent a summer in the most remote village in the far North of Greenland, possibly the most remote human settlement on earth. The people there lived a quasi-stone age existence, but were exceptionally well educated in the beautiful school built by the Danish government, the nicest building in town. Even the old people were fluent in both Danish and English although they hardly ever see anyone from other parts of Greenland, much less foreigners. One person I met had been to university in Copenhagen.
They all had very friendly attitudes towards Danes and Denmark and seemed very happy with their semi-sovereignty, where they conduct their own domestic affairs and Denmark provides everything else.
I would not recommend holding your breath, for the Greenlanders to be won over by Trump.
Perhaps Greenland will be a framework for the test of a sovereign wealth fund. Perhaps the Norwegians will de-bunch their panties if they are consulted on the tactics and mechanics.
The Norwegians? Really?
For the sovereign wealth fund expertise. Not sure if the Alaskan model would be better?
Alaska's people have been subsidized considerably to offset the value of the land and it's resources. That doesn't really mean it's helped them. It's a milder variant of the resource curse (ref. middle East and Africa). Also true of some native Indian reservations, some do better than others with oil and gambling and subsidy. It's almost as if culture matters.
We forget that not that long ago conquest was afoot quite broadly. Arguably it still is by those not needing parlor cover, or for example China.
If it really came down to that, there is no reason the US couldn't pay the 53,000 natives of Greenland a special yearly subsidy, possibly based on resource extraction. It's not like we can't afford it. If Trump really wants Greenland that badly, we will pay them for it.
Bye. Don't forget to write!
Have you found another site Chix? Or are you quitting social media for good?
Our checkbook has a lot more green in it than Denmark's.
Not for social programs.
The Minnesota Somalis would beg to differ.
To me expanding territory for national security concerns is not a social program.
This is ironic. What is NATO if not a social program for international security concerns?
the US spends more than twice as much annually on social programs than the entire Danish GDP.
And just look at the results! Have you ever been to Denmark?
Have you? Waaay different demographic.
How do you know that? You actually trust polls? DJT may offer each Greenlander hundreds of thousands of $$$ for starters, and add to their economy by bringing in military and infrastructure to help secure arctic for US and the rapidly dwindling number of freedom loving countries. That is a helluva lot more than Denmark has given to Greenland-and read most are barely above poverty level
Actually that is not necessarily true. American Samoa could be a model where they get enhanced rights. American Samoa has its own immigration system such that US citizens can only spend 30 days as a tourist. In Greenland any Dane or even Nordic citizen can move there freely; you just register with the municipality. Samoans get a better status known as US National that does not subject them to taxation if they live outside the US. Everyone in American Samoa is on Medicaid so they have free health; that is something Eurotards point to as an issue. I forget the number but the US spends something like $500 million (I might be way off) on Medicaid for AS.
In these polls you will probably be asking people in Godthaab (Nuuk) who are often mixed race and part of "elite" feeding off the Danish state. I might guess that as many as 10k of 57k might be pure Danes working for the bureaucracy, police and so forth. There are maybe 20k inuit in DK. Nobody really knows since they move there freely as Danish citizens. The ones that you stumble across are severe alcoholics out on the streets causing mayhem. As a youth, I remember one running around with a gun threatening people.
I think the average person there has 33% Danish DNA. The pure inuit do not live near any major settlement.. The "PM" has max 25%. He has a Danish first and last name and his dad is a pure Dane. One of the 2 MPs in the DK parliament is blonde and blue eyed and bleached her hair a bit more and participated in Miss Danmark in 2015. But she pulls stunts like addressing the DAnish parliament in Inuit.
"The "PM" has max 25% [Danish DNA]. He has a Danish first and last name and his dad is a pure Dane."
I don't think it's possible to make math work that way.
Max 25% inuit DNA. Take a look at the guy. He could easily pass as a Dane and is called Jens-Frederik Nielsen or something like that.
That is actually correct. Greenlands self rule govt has zero rights or ability to conduct foreign affairs.
If it’s a straight choice (which it should be) between being part of Russia/China or being part of the USA, there’s no contest. It’s all fine and dandy saying “we want to be left alone” but it’s not going to happen, not now, not in today’s world. To be clear, I would pick the USA.
Being left alone is not a choice small countries get to make. Never has, never will.
I appreciate eugyppius' neutral tone in the article - without being familiar with the tenor of the rest of his work, one wouldn't necessarily know how he felt about this. It's been a long time since I've read facts arranged as news.
with the exception of "Eurotards" - that's the tell ;-)
Indeed, I assume that's just a reflex for him at this point!
We can all agree on the fact that Eurotards exist.
IDT he was neutral
It's worth noting that the Eurotards label is one that has Variable Geometry because in this incarnation it comprises North Western EU countries plus the UK and Norway and notably excludes the Mediterranean and Visegrad Group from Eastern Europe. What this lot of political eunuchs think they can achieve is -oops- nothing.
Denmark's right to ownership of Greenland is on much the same basis as Britain's right to ownership of India
Perhaps you hadn't noticed but India has been an independent sovereign nation for many decades., after the people of India expressed a wish to become independent. In the case of Greenland, the people of Greenland have expressed a clear wish that they wish to maintain the status quo and specifically they DO NOT want to become Americans.
And the Chagosians?
Were similarly ignored and could only extract huge payments
Chagosians are not getting huge payments. That is reserved for the Mauritian government which is best mates with CCP
The understanding is that the payments will be used to develop the Chagos Islands. But, irrespective, that isn't the point. The point is that as your Grandma taught you, "Two wrongs don't make a right"
The declared policy is to exempt Mauritians from income tax.
Independence and sovereignty based on a plebicite is just a convenient fig leaf. So are treaties and pacts. Rulership is solely based on power. Always has been, always will be.
It's American land. They should relocate to Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, or Arabia.
I see. So what specifically (Contract, Charter, Treaty, UN Resolution etc.) makes it "American land"? Or perhaps you mean that America has the might to take it and "might is right"?
I do find it ironic that as the EU "leaders" continue to shit their pants about the nonsensical fantasy that Russia wishes to invade them, their "Closest ally" and fellow NATO member (Article 5?) plans to annex EU territory. Think about that.
Greenland is geographically part of the North American continent, sitting on the North American tectonic plate and connected to North America via the continental shelf. So, the USA and Greenland are on the same continent and the same continental shelf. Canada is also American land. It makes sense for both Greenland and Canada to be annexed into a Greater USA along with Central America and the North of South America.
The Inuit of Greenland are descendants of people who migrated from Siberia, across Alaska and Arctic Canada, arriving in Greenland in waves, most notably the Thule people around 1000-1200 CE, who became the direct ancestors of today's Greenlandic Inuit. They have deep roots in Northeast Asia but could be accommodated in the Middle-East.
I'm going to be completely honest here, and state that I actively do not want Canadian provinces to become states. I mean, have you *seen* what those people vote for?
Maybe Alberta and Saskatchewan
Quite right. My plate sometimes sports a star anise, or a big bay leaf, but I know better than to eat them.
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I see. So the same argument could be made by, say Mexico, if they decided to annex the USA and Canada into Mexico?
Honestly, from a geological perspective, no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentia
I admit that's a silly way to think about it, and the reality has far more to do with proximity than deep tectonic structure, but that *was* the argument he was making.
They are outbreeding the Yanks and will succeed in a couple of generations.
No but it would make sense for the USA and Canada to be annexxed to Scotland, which was once connected to North America, after Scotland has unified with Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Devon, Brittany and Northwest Spain and Northern Portugal.
Of course might makes right. Always has, always will. International law, in its current form, is a post ww2 American invention used to put a happy face on our empire. The interests of USA are more closely aligned with Russia than with Western Europe.
Setting aside the Strategic alliances aspect (Actually the interests of Europe are FAR more closely aligned with Russia than those of the US), might is right, you say. So what's next? Canada? Mexico? Brazil?
I would contend that the US Empire is already in decline because of excessive debt - the same reason ALL Empires collapse. So it would seem like an appropriate time to start shrinking the Empire not expanding it?
And as the old saying goes "Make friends on the way up because you will need them on the way down".
No, you are an ignorant.
Modern International law started in Spanish and Dutch universities around the 17th century, under the name of jus gentium and developed after the Treaty of Westfalia.
Power makes right was always considered to be a breach of the rules common to other States by the bully of the moment, which caused a coalition against it and the subsequent downfall.
If power would mean right, you might consider that China's industrial economy dwarfs the American one and population and industry are the constituent elements of power.
If might truly makes right, then if someone kills you, your wife and steals your crap, then they are morally in the right. Dude, tough guy Boomer RINO conservatism is completely passe. Grow up beyond it.
The native Greenlanders? Why the heck would they want to do that? They may prefer to stay under the aegis of Denmark, but even if they end up under the USA, they'd be far better off staying than moving to the miserable shit show of the middle east. Plus, there's a *slight* difference in the local climes between those two locations.
Doesn't seem to be bothering the Somalis much.
India is a terrible example, it's true. Northern Ireland is a far better example.
That just further obfuscates the issue of the wishes of the people of Greenland.
It does, however, raise the same issue tangentially because Northern Ireland is a case of self-determination of peoples. That's also a tricky one because it seems to work fine for, say, Taiwan but not so much for Crimea, Donbass, Catalunya etc?
No, I agree, honestly. I understand why the US wants Greenland, but my point was more about the hypocrisy of the British lamenting the situation, since the only reason the people of Northern Ireland are present in order to have self determined they want to continue as a part of the UK is because England invaded the island, killed a fuck ton of the Irish, and moved a whole pile of their own people over there. Of course, I live in America, in a city bordered on three sides by Indian reservations. Because the British, French, and Spanish all invaded the continent and took it over. So functionally, this is rather in our historical traditions.
I fully concur that the people of Donbass, Crimea, and Catalunya, as well as the Basque, should be allowed to separate as they wish. I think US states should be allowed to leave if they like as well. But that's certainly not the way things have gone in recent centuries.
That experiment was more or less tried in Europe at the end of WWI. The idea came from another US President loved by the Euros: Woodrow Wilson. I think the historical consensus is that it was catastrophic. Its crowning achievement was that it gave Hitler the moral high ground to demand various territories of sovereign nations (or entire nation-states, like in the case of Austria) because they contained within their political boundaries German irredenta. All it proved is that Great Powers are gonna Great Power, regardless of whether they’re doing it for Power or for Cause.
Decentralization is not "catastrophic", it's what the West looked like as it became the West. Don't fall for the modern tax state's lies; a parasite that has grown on the back of more ancient religious, moral and legal customs. And you really ought to stop using argumentum ad Hilteram.
Well, given that 85% of its actual property owners and inhabitants wish to keep the status quo, I think they have a tad more moral authority than an empire convulsively spewing tweets about Russian and Chinese Boogeymen that have had nearly 100 years already to invade and assimilate the dogsled kingdom.
If Denmark has tenuous claims to Greenland, where does that leave the US "claims"? Even George Bush Jr. is embarrassed by the Trump's pretext for preemptive war!
Somehow, someway, a powerful faction within and above the Blob has pressured, convinced and cajoled Trump into this latest bout of spasmodic detours into belligerence and warfare, at the expense of any sense of the America First agenda, liberty-minded populism, or just the dang coalition of folks that elected him. He's lost his damn mind.
No, he understands that it's a matter of political will, not moral authority. All conquerors and conquered throughout history have claimed moral authority. If you persist on using the liberal trope of claiming moral authority as a limit on excecising power, you will be experience serious butt-hurt.
You mistake my concern, and perspective. In the long run, rulers rule due to acquiescence of the populace. If you lose moral authority, over time, that ruler will fall.
That is not a "liberal trope", and in fact has little to do with modern liberalism, which has morphed into the worship of decadent social doctrines masquerading as "freedom", and socialism by a faux-democratic gerontocracy.
If you don't believe in moral reality, then may God have mercy on your soul. Last I looked, there's a pretty good size graveyard for empires.
In the world of geopolitics, moral authority has little meaning and is used primarily as justification by both sides. Internal moral authority is different from external moral authority. Yes, rulers rule due to acquiescence of the populace, but they do not expand or conquer on that acquiescence. Only those in the West consider on nation's gain at another nation's expense as an immoral act, and this only became the norm in the West after WWII. Trump is not planning a surprise assault on Greenland, at least not yet. He is willing to negotiate in good faith with a Danish President who previously acted in bad faith. If you want to look at it morally, then Greenland is Denmark's pet dog that it neglects, and the US is tired of taking care of. What's in the best interests of Denmark, the US, and Greenland. Moral hand ringing is really not helpful.
BTW, by "Liberal" I am referring to "Liberal Enlightenment" values, which seek to attribute individual moral criteria to nation states. This has morphed into nations and all of their inhabitants as being either "good" or "bad". Nation states operate on power, not morals. Always have, always will.
Well, the whole point of ownership is invoked selectively. As someone pointed out, we are on "stolen land" 400 yrs later but the fresh-off-the-boat polygamous African muslim on fraudulent benefits is an instant American.
History is rife with colonization and conquest. Should Turkey give up Constantinople?
OK that's a zany example, but there's a lot of various realignments not that long ago.
Not as zany as you think. The plan in WWI was for the Tripple Entenrde (Britain, France, Russia), to split up the Ottoman Empire and hand Constantinople to Russia.
Do you have a point? Property rights are based on might only?
Of course these things are selectively invoked. Don't get into the trap of arguing about hypocrisies. Otherwise, no person could ever be moral since every man since the dawn of time is a hypocrite to some point, due to the law of concupiscence?
Astounding grasp of history. Hell yeah (1776 edition).
Greenland's resources are worth trillions and need to be redistributed to Americans. I hope that after he takes Nuuk, Trump takes Berlin and then all of Europe.
Of course.
Trump's note to Støre is special, but also very Trump. Who is still surprised?
Having skimmed the US National Security Strategy paper in December, I wondered if Greenland has become such a necessity for the US because Europe is becoming un-Europeanized. If they lose all their military bases in Germany/EU when Muslims take over, etc., they could move their inventory and nukes there beforehand and still reach all targets in time if needed.
And if they "own" it, no one can tell them to leave—
which could be a real risk as things escalate right and left. Esp since the US seems to be done with NATO?!
You are probably right. An islamo-communist europe is a distinct possibility - Britain and France are well advanced in that direction and Germany is catching up . Should that happen , America is left with the Visigrad Group in eastern europe and that’s about it . Ancillary to this is that America wants out of NATO - the investment just isn’t worth it anymore .
Main reason must still be that Greenland is under the flight path for missiles and planes from the Kola Peninsula, Russia , so is a natural defence barrier . And the arctic ice is melting, giving rise to all these new marine and submarine routes round the island . Finally , what’s wrong with growing USA’s land mass by +/- 20% ?
Muslims are not taking over Europe.
What???? Do the math.
The vast majority of Muslims integrate. The rest is propaganda.
What planet are you from? Secular Muslims integrate, not Islamists. And secular Muslims will follow. Read some history.
Your blog name is très apropos.
“Copenhagen lost its tenuous control of Greenland when Denmark was occupied by the German Nazis in 1940. In 1941 the United States occupied Greenland to use it during World War 2. The USA built airfields to serve as refueling sites for trans-Atlantic flights, and as bases for anti-submarine warfare. (These airfields still serve as Greenland’s international airports.)”
https://open.substack.com/pub/steelcutter/p/on-purchasing-greenland?r=6vli5&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay
I’m surprised nobody in the comments has mentioned the practical aspects of simply buying the place. Buying Greenland is, more or less, the US proposal. I think if they offered $2 million to every Greenlander, spread as $400k payments over the next five years as long as the next President doesn’t renege on the deal, you’d see that 85% opposition vanish in a heartbeat. The US could also buy some other lightly populated island territories around the planet while they’re at it. Not saying I do or don’t support any of that, but I think it’d work.
The problem is, there’s no legal path for the Greenlanders to just reassociate with the US. They can vote for independence, and Danish parliament would have to approve.
"Legal path" is such a fuzzy concept when it comes to things like this, though. If the US convinced the Greenlanders that they wanted to switch over, the functional legal path is "What the fuck do you think you're going to do about it, Denmark?" It's not pretty, but it is realistic.
“Legal path”…brother, don’t make me quote some Carl Schmitt at you.
It'd work out to about $120B. So it's not even out of our reach, so long as we manage to cut off the Somalis in Minnesota.
Tack on another 100k for each "Somali-American" deported to Greenland?
Hnnnngh. Maybe 10k. There are a *lot* more Somalis in the USA than there are Greenlanders in Greenland.
So what do you think is this all about? Rare earths (which are not rare, as he himself is fond of saying)? Getting rid of NATO through the back door as the primary goal through means he can ambiguously legally effect without congressional support? Is it really the Nobel snub? Is he just as retarded – but differently – as the Eurotards?
It certainly is not the claimed reason – Denmark has been an ultra-accomodating ally in all things, including Greenland, and the only major military presence is already American with Pituffik SB (née Thule AFB). The idea that Russia or China might conquer it seems quite fanciful, or rather more delusional than the Swedish boomer obsession with Russia’s alleged drive to conquer Gotland.
Trump TOLD you. It’s about missile defense.
Just because Trump says something doesn't mean that requirements of logic and evidence are suspended.
It's only about missile defense if it impossible for the US to site the desired part of the projected missile defense shield on Greenland under current arrangements, or any negotiated variant thereof.
Can you show that this is the case? The evidence seems to be to the contrary.
are you a weapons expert now? And frankly, no one needs to show you anything. The Man wants Greenland, end of story. That is what Denmark did way back when - send troops, take it. You as a weapons expert, can do the same, you know?
You evidently think you're a sarcasm expert.
I'm not so sure. The issue in question requires no knowledge of warheads, range, guidance systems etc. The issue is whether the missile defense shield (whatever the technology may be) can only be placed on Greenland territory by the annexation of that country, and by risking the demise of NATO.
Trump has just lost himself and the US its international credibility by promising the Iranians that he would intervene (kinetically) if the regime started to slaughter them. This gave the Iranians the confidence they needed to risk (and lose) their lives. Trump then reneged on his promise. Even if, let's say, a military attack on the Iranian regime turned out to be a bad idea, the damage was still done by Trump's initial blustering - if he didn't know whether he could deliver, he should have kept his mouth shut.
You can take the "ra-ra, Trump right or wrong, MAGA forever" route if you like, but if Trump is shielded from all criticism and left to say and do whatever he fancies, the Democrats will regain their majorities later this year (already a high probability), resume the impeachment clown show, and then regain the White House in 28.
Sorry, I got whiplash - Greenland, Iran, geopolicy, MAGA, WH '28 - just missed Ancient Aliens and the pyramids to be complete.
You sounded like Biden when he asked "why couldn't they shoot them in the leg?"
And be all means, Im not sarcasm expert - but I do not opinionate when it comes to things I do not understand such as where to place weapons for maximum effectiveness. Way past my pay grade.
It is possible that it is purely about humiliation. There are people who really do think the purpose of life is to humiliate others ... and not just their enemies. It's a rare psychological type, but does exist.
That's 50% of US Americans. And 100% of Western European "leadership."
It’s an interesting angle because all Europe did was humiliate Trump at every single turn, there was zero exceptions. Through media, helping to create Russiagate, the backstabbing, I mean, he does have some reasons to go for bear with these folks. What’s that meme with someone doing passive aggressive and then the US response is pure aggressive.
https://x.com/Mericamemed/status/2002136863692435915
I think it’s to get Europe to wake the fuck up and defend itself. It’s a Trump way of showing them they are weak and can’t defend Themselves and it’s not viable for them to rely on us. Amongst many other reasons. If a World War pops off there is no strategic benefit for us to defend Europe. I think this is a pretty strong message in that regard.
Gotland, like Åland, offers too much in the way of obstacles to a Russian assault over the Baltic, which is why Gotland esp. is such a bugbear for the Russians and why Sweden must re-build the defenses foolishly removed in the 1990s and later. Also why there's a treaty regulating the status of Åland and the lack of placement of military assets there by Finland and Sweden.
It's no obsession but a consequence of geography: if Russia wants to cross the Baltic in a war, then Russia must take Gotland and Åland.
So if Russia wants to cross the Baltic in a war, it would have to cross the Baltic 3/4 of the way to Gotland? Yeah, that checks out, but it does not explain why it would do that in the first place. To conquer Sweden? For what? I think they have enough iron ore and low-infrastructure subarctic woodland at home for their level of ambition.
The real value of Sweden is the native population which would either fuck off the second a war starts or be immensely hostile.
Sweden has nothing worth conquering for them, and not much operational potential either due to sparse infrastructure, except for defending your own territory. So why toddle onto that mine? Sure, you have very hardened and dispersed airfields, but those seem to be very hard to use except for your excellent, but light & few, domestic fighters.
They would also have to play exactly to their weaknesses (naval power, independent (non-GCI) air power).
As for Åland, as far as the Baltic is concerned, there is way more infrastructure for interdiction on the southern Swedish mainland, which is also closer. Both Åland and Gotland are easily under NATO ground-based air defences as well, but fairly ambitious shots against maneuvering and/or ECM-enabled targets from either conquered Baltics or Königsberg, even with their few highest-end systems.
This is what I mean by delusional. If I were one to psychoanalyze others I’d say it’s a displacement obsession for the obvious demographic conquest of Sweden from other corners of the world which is the actual security threat for the Swedish way of life, but I’m not, so it just puzzles me.
Suppose they wanted to attack EuroNATO – why would they not just go the land route, and deal with Sweden by cutting off the Kattegat and negotiate surrender with Swedes nibbling on sparse knäckebröd without a functioning power grid after a few missile strikes?
Also extremely fanciful, but more realistic than an opposed landing against an adversary with naval and air supremacy, and ground-based mobile anti-shipping batteries in range, over a distance comparable with the D-Day landings even from the closest points in the putatively conquered Baltic countries.
From a Swedish perspective it is more important to make it too expensive to try. From a Russian perspective making it not necessary is the most reasonable approach.
But both sides must consider the other one deciding to go for it, if that other side finds that circumstances warrant it.
The old Soviet plan was to nuke Denmark, smash through Finland with thousands of armoured vehicles and 250 000 or more soldiers, jump the Baltic and plow through Sweden in three places to reach the Norwegian coast, all in under three weeks.
To prevent US/NATO reifnorcements from being able to land. Concurrently, a naval force was to take or exterminate Iceland. Britain was to be subjected to nuclear saturation bombardment using ICBMs and then ivnaded to prevent it being used the way it was in WW2.
Russia today can't do that - it completely lacks any capability.
Russia in ten years?
Might be able to. Or it might have collapsed. Or it might be at war with the EU. Or parts might be occupied. Or...
That's how you must look at these things. What can happen. Then prepare for it to happen, while working to make it not happen.
Something the Americans seems to both succeed and fail at, at the same time, since theyve stopped trying to understand that other people and nations aren't extensions of the USA:
https://chandragupta.substack.com/p/the-decline-of-understanding-how
The link goes to a very good run-down on how American strategic studies fails and continue to fail, and why - highly relevant to Trump's administration.
It is also applicable to the topic of the Baltic: Swedish mil-int and sig-int studies Russian, Russian history, culture and anthropology to understand how they think and reason.
One must try to understand the Other, as the Other understands himself.
Yeah duh, you have to be strong to deter. I’m just saying it’s a relatively trivial point of deterrence compared to e.g. what the Poles face, and I think even they are fairly safe. Only NATO members in real and substantial danger seem to be the Baltics, who insist on being as loud and provocative as they can.
Another puzzling behaviour to me. Maybe I’m just easily puzzled.
2.6 million migrants were deported or self-deported in 2025. Very, very few came in across the border, the fewest since the 1960s. 2025 was the first time since at least Reagan that we had negative net migration.
We are living in a crude parody. And have been for some time.
Future archaeologists will be examining water pipes in our ruins for traces of lead.
Starmer has experience of how to transfer real estate to another nation without consulting the residents. Maybe he should advise the Danes.
What you do is offer the recipient a large amount of money, like a dowry, to take it away. Ref: Chagos.
Ah - you mean pay off a bunch of people in a nasty little corrupt country (Mauritius) that has nothing at all do with Chagos, but happens to be friends with India and CCP? Just what activist lawyers Mr Starmer KC, Mr Hermer KC and Mr P Sands KC like.
I assure you the public generally do not agree with this and Starmer has lost a lot of cfredibility over it. Doing it in the knowledge Mauritious is friendly with CCP and at the same time the Labour government is to grant permission for a huge (huge!) new embassy compound right on the edge of the financial district, at an important road junctyion and adjacent to fibre optic cables that run from Docklands, leads many to suspect the motives.
And now you know why Trump wants out of NATO.
You have a point. Can we export Mr Starmer KC to the USA?
I'm afraid we will need to put a VERY large tarrif on him.
We can pay. Where do we sign?
Well, presuming Pres. Trump was looking for an excuse to relieve his nation of the burdens of NATO. His ever so sophisticated Eurobetters really showed him, eh?
I feel we cannot go further with this saga until we manage to resurrect Peter Sellers and Margaret Rutherford to play important roles in it.
'Whoops Apocalypse' was quite funny.
Instead, Hollywood is busy remaking Pink Panther with Eddie Murphy instead of Peter Sellers.
Now, if it was 80s Eddie Murphy and 80s Hollywood I'd be tentatively positive. Today, not so much.
My gosh we've intersected on the astral plane. Yesterday channel surfing I encountered one of those later Eddie Murphy films and had the same thoughts about his years of glory.
As Eugyppius says at the start of the article ‘a lot has happened since (he) last wrote’.
Bearing this in mind, I suggest a poll be held.
Should the substack title ‘Eugyppius: a plague chronicle’ be changed to:
a) Eugyppius: a plague periodical
or
b) Eugyppius: a plague weekly
Please hit the heart button to vote for a) or reply with an insulting emoji to vote for b).
I thank you for your attention to this matter.
Yes, I owe my readers more regular posting, and very soon I will provide that.
There is sooo much material but don't write for the sake of writing, write when it suits you.
As I told Alex B over the same issue. I am here for what you write, not how much you write.
Good to hear - much appreciated.
I don't believe this was a comment on your frequency, but a recognition that the overall plague still continues with us.