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Remember: zoonotic origin is the strongest argument for hundreds of BSL4 labs, billions in funding, and status and prestige in virology for the next 30 years

Lab-leak origin = admonishment, shame, regulation, opprobrium, blame for the death of millions l.

They are highly, highly motivated to shift public perception back to zoonosis. Regard them with due suspicion and ffs treat gain of function research like the WMD that it is

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Yes. The incentives are all wet market. The evidence is all lab leak.

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Let's call zoonosis what it is: a conspiracy theory. That's it, plain and simple. A conspiracy theory promoted by the Chinese Communist Party in order to deflect attention from their absolutely irresponsible and shoddy research in Wuhan which created a global pandemic. And it's also boosted by the likes of Fauci and the CDC crowd whose funding of this irresponsible research is a little too close for comfort.

I don't give a pangolin's ass about covid in Raccoon Dogs. Haven't we spent the past two years learning that covid can infect our pets? As Eugyppius points out, these Raccoon Dogs were more likely infected by their handlers than any other way.

And where's the natural reservoir of covid? Answer: it has never been found. The closest virus in nature is RATG13, which is only 85% genetically similar to covid. Keep in mind that mice are 98% genetically similar to humans. (Which is why so much medical research is done on them.) So 85% similiarity is basically a totally different virus.

There's a TON of hard, clear evidence that this virus was not only negligently released from this lab, but created there.

So no, this thing is in no way natural. Enough with the conspiracy theories.

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P.S. If the Chinese government really believed in the wet market hypothesis, then why did they reopen them all within a year of the initial outbreak?

Answer: because they know that wet markets had nothing to do with the origins of covid.

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The fact that the government news outlets are now looking to blame the fish market again (and now raccoon dogs?) is strong evidence for the lab leak theory.

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I wrote a similar comment before I read yours. All the vested interests would benefit from this zoonotic source story through continued profit or avoidance of reparations and more restrictions. But what about the splice sites on the genome of the original outbreak-Are we supposed to forget?

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That's not a slice site. It got there because a bat got lost, flew 1200 miles off course, bit a pangolin, who then then mated with a racoon dog, who got zapped with DNA altering cosmic radiation, and shared a meal of bird saliva with a senior citizen at the wet market. The lab leak theory is just too unlikely.

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Thanks for ‘splaining. Makes sense now.

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My comment is 100% MSM approved!

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We're not BSL4. But we know in advance when inspectors are coming, and it's announced to everyone, "Wear your white lab coats on Day X." Otherwise we're rolling around in our street clothes, then taking all those bits of viruses and genetic material onto the train, the restaurant chair... And this is an Immaculate setting compared to the 'cleaning' habits of visiting researchers that come to us from Chn. Imagine a hippie house full of roommates who never do their own dishes, leave crusty sticky piles of unknown biological material on the counter and unlabeled things sitting open in jars ---- That's what it's like cleaning up after (not all, but many) our guest lab researchers from Chn. (In fairness, perhaps our most gifted and brilliant team member is also from Chn, so it's not a blanket statement. Just a tendency.)

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Perspective is valuable

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Lab leak also means their biggest fear:

Being the last to know something socially.

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'zoonotic origin is the strongest argument'

Argument, or flimsy excuse?

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The recent congressional evidence of Robert Redfield, former CDC head, is very damning and I wonder (because I am a "conspiracy theorist") if this latest resurgence of the market theory is in response to Redfield's evidence?

Not only did Redfield clearly affirm his view and presented the evidence that the virus was engineered (including insertion of the components for the cleavage site) but he noted 3 things that happened at the Wuhan lab in September 2019:

1. They deleted their records

2. They called in military management

3. They changed the air-purification system

As he said, any of these 3 would raise suspicions, having all 3 happen at the same time ...?

The head of the Chinese version of the CDC, Gao Fu, was a participant at the October 2019 "event 201" simulation that was so eerily similar to what started happening a few months later. He would have already known about what happened a month earlier at Wuhan.

And that nice photo of the raccoon is so cute and nothing like Peter Daszak.

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Excellent. Should just copy and paste this post everywhere where a zoonotic source story pops up in mass media.

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"I wonder (because I am a "conspiracy theorist") if this latest resurgence of the market theory is in response to Redcliff's evidence?"

You are entirely too charitable in the manner of your speculation, Tareq. It is to your credit that you present it thusly. The temporal aspect of this recent wave of propaganda renders your speculation a near-certainty.

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Zoonosis is the conspiracy theory, not the leaked frankenvirus. All the evidence points toward an artificial, genetically engineered virus escaping. There's precious little evidence for natural origins, most particularly there's no natural host of covid. See my comment above for more details, though you probably know them already. Cheers!

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"And that nice photo of the raccoon is so cute and nothing like Peter Daszak."

Have you watched the raccoon from the behind? This is your "a-ha" moment :P!

You're welcome :)!

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Is there a link to the material Mr. Redcliff presented (or a video) anywhere on the internet?

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Thank you Tareq! Appreciate you.

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My husband found it so we’re busy today and leaving soon but I will ask him to try to find it again and send it to you as there are various clips of different senators questioning different people about different topics pretty much daily now.

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Don't be silly. Redfield's testimony won't get traction because he worked for Trump.

Not to mention most people on "the other side" probably aren't even aware that he provided testimony at all. Was it covered in the mainstream press?

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Very astute observation!

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Ghost written by Lord Fauci, no doubt.

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They don't care - just keep polluting the water, confusing people to the point where everyone walks away, feeling it's impossible to get at the truth. All part of the distortion of reality that never ends.

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There's a whole department at CIA devoted to spreading such disinformation. Not to be outdone, the FBI cleverly outsourced censorship and disinformation to a jointly funded NGO called "Virality Project" in order to suppress the truth about COVID and the vaccines. See Matt Taibbi's "Twitter Files # 19, The Great COVID 19 Lie Machine" https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1636729166631432195

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Oh, yeah, I'm aware of it.

Notice how the propaganda arm of our government, doesn't report on Taibbi's stories, unless of course it's to discredit him.

As Sage Hana oft repeats: Nothing matters, nothing matters.

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Yeah they never will. We'll see how long the legacy media lasts now that it's basically 'Pravda'. Meanwhile I'll tell everyone I know to get their news from the sites they hate, like Substack.

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Frogs and raccoons. I fecking knew it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Hardly an improvement over " so a pangolin and a bat hook up at a bar..."

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Now the joke begins, "so a pangolin, a bat and a raccoon dog walked into a bar..."

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So bat says to pangolin " why the long face", pangolin replies "why the scarf, lady". Bat says, "actually, I'm here to meet coon dog". - that's all I've got so far ..

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They left the the bar as much lower forms of animals known as Fauci, Birx and Whitty

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And since, according to Alex Jones, chemicals in the water are Turning The Friggin Frogs gay,

we may soon see frogs spreading MonkeyPox everywhere ...

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It's been well known for a long time. No need to resort to Alex Jones.

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you don't understand memes

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Not that one, anyway, I guess :)

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There were two deadly nursing home outbreaks of unknown respiratory virus in July 2019 in the US in Virginia.

Burke VA & Springfield VA

Surely they have samples from that investigation

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I and my neighbor had a very bad respiratory infection in early fall of 2019. My doc did a PCR swab - prior to SC2, the standard PCR tested for about 2 dozen viruses, including influenzas, RSV, and 4 types of coronavirus. Mine came back as 100% one of the human coronaviruses. Hmmm ...

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Had you previously adopted a pet from China?

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Same here. My friend had an ILI in early November ‘19 that he described as “The worst cold or weirdest flu I ever had.” Lost his sense of smell, too….

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I'm still convinced about a spring 2019 leak based on research eugy posted a long time ago about PCR orders by Chinese organizations.

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Well apparently Kristian Andersen has a penchant for writing fairy tales.

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Anderson got a $9 million lab grant from Fauci's NIAID 3 months after flip flopping on lab leak to go along with Fauci's narrative. Media still citing him as an expert reflects how fake this all is.

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Andersen is an Ebola specialist, not coronavirus. Either: his lab in West Africa, which was working on the Congo strain of Ebola, was the source of the 2014 Ebola epidemic; or the virus, which has never been seen outside the Congo basin, jumped 3000km without leaving a trail of dead people and mammals. The world still thinks 2014 Ebola was zoonotic, so he is pretty good at this disinformation game.

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Must be related to Hans.

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Omg would they just STAHHHHHP!!!!

We know it's from a lab in Wuhan, via labs in Ft. Detrick and Winnipeg.

Great article though. Thanks!

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Yes I just learned a little about the Trudeau funded lab at University of BC in Vancouver and about the Winnipeg lab!

Trudeau shipped virus to Wuhan lab where it got leaked?! Add Trudeau to my list of willing genocide causers too. He makes my skin crawl. Do you have any website or blog you could refer me to for more information on this? Thanks!

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I will do my best to get back to you with some links when I have some some time.

Have you tried doing a search on places like Rumble and Bitchute etc.? Those are where I would start. Two years ago I had all the right links but have since found other rabbit holes about Turdeau such as his connection to the Barry and Honey Sherman murders.

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I saw that propaganda piece over on the Yahoo propaganda stream LOL.. They will never ever give up until they are all in jail...

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What makes you think they'd give up even then?

"No, I'm totally innocent! You've got the wrong man! It was the bat-pangolin-raccoon dogs, man!"

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So you’re saying it was a threesome?

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*Virologoids* is just the best yet of the epithets you coin.

I saw The Atlantic's article earlier today and my non-scientific lips were curling so hard I couldn't manage to finish my tea. Of course I had to stop them trembling first, thinking of those raccoon dogs turned into stew. It's not that I think any less of cows and lambs but some things really just should not be eaten by us; there is a perhaps thin but actual moral line crossed here and I have no fragility in condemning other cultures for some of their culinary choices.

Anyway. Perhaps the Chinese govt. is holding the bastard lovechildren of these guys in some unspeakably grim basement somewhere and forcing this continued performance. Or maybe it's just themselves they fear for. But no, they will not stop, nothing will make them and there's plenty of subterranean power streams making it very hard for them to cease.

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what's hilarious is that we have the early emails of these precise people – Andersen, Holmes –saying in early 2020 they thought lab origins were more likely than not. nothing at the level of evidence has changed since then

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It's charming, isn't it, how these people preserve the childlike belief that if you pull the covers up Mom and Dad can't see you. Except that little lump in the bed is a turd and not a child.

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What I can't understand is why some people I know, who actually have degrees in relevant fields though no actual involvement in the search for the truth, are still insistent on the zoonotic origin story. I suppose it could just be tribal. Maddening.

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One's salary dependent upon and all that jazz, and "salary" can be interpreted as whatever currency people need to pay their ways through society.

One has to begin to realize that almost everyone, every institution one has held a little regard for, over decades and through the changing of governments and administrations, is mediocre, has no moral stature of even the least sort; is willing to destroy you and everything you value, just to keep their petty fiefdoms. So many of us grew up reading (a very carefully curated) history and thinking, in our youthful innocence, that thank God our people didn't do stuff like that.

But everyone does it, with the right incentives. In a way we should be grateful for this Plague Era, that we know for ourselves, with our own eyes, that the people who refuse to do evil are extremely few in number anywhere.

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This comment is spot-on! Over the past five or six years I have lost my respect 100% for most of what we'd consider the bedrock institutions of America: the health establishment including doctors, CDC, FDA, etc.; "scientists"; the justice system; the FBI and CIA; school boards; congress; the list goes on.

I kind of hope it's always been this corrupt. At least that means it's sustainable. But if this is something new-ish, well, then we're totally F-ed. I don't think American can be sustainable with so much corruption everywhere, and with so little moral fiber.

It's so sad. I'm glad I'm no longer a young person. It'd be terrifying to be a teen these days.

Cheers,

Kim G

Roma Sur, CDMX

Boston, MA

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We had that brief postwar moment in the '50s with the hope of a new better world; when the middle class had lives of dignity and promise, and there was lots of room for working-class people to move up and have lives of dignity and promise too. Sure--there was still a long road to give opportunity to those dealing with real, brutal discrimination and the casual cruelties found in hierarchal systems everywhere.

That cliche about hard times/easy times/hard times--there's a reason we got cliches in the first place.

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I've lately been wondering about that time. I think that part of it was that shortly before, most young American men had been sent to fight what was true evil, not some piffling "micro aggression." Many of them died in that fight. And prior to that, many Americans suffered greatly during the Great Depression. As such, the generation that came back from WW2 knew what was important and what wasn't. Also from having been in the armed forces, they understood discipline and order, and its importance.

We also shouldn't overlook the fact that much of American prosperity of that era was due to the fact that all of our economic competition had been literally bombed back to the stone age. Everyone forgets that. How well do you think Americans would live today if all of the factories of Europe and Asia were suddenly destroyed? Especially if our government spent copiously so that the folks living there could still buy American products? I think that might generate a boom of middle-class prosperity.

If you look up the original meaning of the word "decadent," which means a decline in standards and values created by too much easy living, I think it's easy to see that America and much of Western Europe are truly decadent societies. And some level of moral decline seems to be evident too.

I hate to be pessimistic, but things don't look great for America for the next few years. Let's see where this banking crisis takes us. Probably no place good.

Anyway, cheers!

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Well, look. That's the cycle of world history since people started making scratchy marks on potsherds with scratchy tools. In every era when ordinary people had a hope of a small solid house with a bar-able door and enough food for at least some of the babies to live and grow up, life felt like paradise. Their prosperity was built on another group's misery.

We keep thinking we're so special and so modern. Everyone thinks that in their time and place.

[funny about that "cheers." Was just remarking the other day to an online friend about that little closing. I like it and find it elegant, but it was a favorite of a boss who did her part to ruin what had been a great job. Them ambivalent situations, we always run into them, don't we?]

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Interesting observations, also as population distributes away from politically and socially unstable areas we are seeing political and social instability where they amass. Not a positive thing, either.

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We are tribal, us humans and thats not a bad thing as it helped/ helps us survive and gives us structure. It’s predictable that if you are a member of a group, a tribe, an organization that you would support the group narrative.

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I have never fit into any of my tribes. I was born with the unfortunate flaw of not being able to overlook nonsense. A costly defect.

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I have paid the price for not towing the party line in work environments mostly. Yes, costly and i have regrets.

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I don't regret but I sure wish I hadn't been forced into making those choices. I was lucky; I always found another job and it was always a better situation, though that's always a relative comparison. But I wasn't anything high-titled or particularly important; the usual office indentured servant sort of thing.

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Yeah, I've been bitten hard by that one many times, myself.

*sigh*

Had a very large friends group go full woke. And, well, there went 25 years of friendships when I wouldn't tow their lion around. (Fucker kept biting me, for one thing... ;) )

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I like what you did there...

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Except none of these people have a salary dependent on that. They have the educational background, but work in effectively completely different fields. That's what makes it weird to me. I could understand direct financial incentives. This is just... *shrug* No clue.

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The field is irrelevant. Everyone buying a house too big for an honest sensible budget; everyone getting that new car when the lease runs out because some moron told them leasing makes financial sense; every summer at band or tennis camp for the kids; these people sold themselves to the job no matter what the job was.

Let me tell you a little story. When I and the now unhusband went looking for a little place to own, we used a real estate agent and a mortgage broker because the moron now unhusband had ruined our credit and we had fewer options than our combined income might suggest.

Both these real estate market professionals insisted that we could afford to pay $125,000 (this was awhile ago) for a property and I said the hell we could. What about furnishing it? What about emergency funds for all the things that go wrong? What about a cushion against the wolves breaking through the windows? What about all the monthly expenses that come with even a basic ordinary row house?

They all of them looked at me like I was nuts but I was unmovable and finally the real estate agent found us a modest little co-op apt. for $63,000, which we bought, and trust me, with the guy who was my then partner in life, we still couldn't afford to decently furnish it.

But at least we could pay the bills.

More people like me and fewer like him, people might have the wherewithal to grow a pair of stones when they're needed.

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Being last to know something socially is their biggest fear.

They will go to all lengths to avoid that.

They are gripping to the narrative because their true fear, indeed their center of gravity, has come true and they can't hide.

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strange enough the Atlantic put me off the jabs, when one of their reporters wrote about how sick her husband was from the shots. Already thinking not to get them that settled it. After that, the Atlantic lost all credibility (what can you do now you are vaxxed etc.) These are just people filling pages in a woke magazine that should have been shut down after the first mentioned. If people really got sick from being around animals, thousands of sicknesses should break out every year. Yet since they started that gain of function sicknesses break out year after year. Conclusion? I believe Xi when he stated the sickness originated from research done for Americans in Wuhan.(and in NC)

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they'll say anything to keep their GOF cash cow going

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Why is The Atlantic the preferred media to splash this out in. That article was followed up by a New York Times urgent news release on it. This suggests the MSM is in on pushing it. But let’s see what the actual data shows, where is the preprint?

One other point from the Atlantic piece:

"At this point, it’s still unclear why the sequences were posted to GISAID last week. They also vanished from the database shortly after appearing, without explanation." Wu was unable to reach Gao (Chinese CDC) or WHO for comments. This is weird. Are these virologists being played?

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I don't know what to make of the disappearing sequences, as they're apparently collaborating with the Chinese scientists who uploaded them now. They don't want anyone having a look of their own in advance of the paper?

Assuming the data shows exactly what they claim – raccoon dog and SARS-2 reads in the same swabs – it will show at most that raccoon dogs in Wuhan had the virus in the middle of a fully developed human outbreak months after the virus had started to circulate in humans worldwide. I just don't see this mattering one way or the other.

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I agree, there is no smoking gun here

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There was a point in time in 2020 when newspapers were claiming deer in fairly wild areas were testing positive for covid, and also some sporadic zoo animals as well. Yawn. That scare tactic apparently didn't work well and it disappeared fairly quickly.

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It matters a lot — but only in propaganda value.

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It’s interesting how the message slowly gets amplified through the cascading headlines. You start with a scientist willing to say they found Covid particles and animal DNA in the same samples, a finding that means nothing. You pass it through a scientific journal, a couple scientist talking heads willing to give whatever quote is needed, The Atlantic, and finally you get to the NYT saying “Breaking News: New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market. Scientists found genetic data from a Wuhan market linking illegally traded raccoon dogs to the Covid pandemic’s origins.”

The propaganda method is obvious. It’s not even worth tracking anymore except to try to understand who is the intended audience for the headline that is meant to be accepted as “the science”. It’s just so weird that MSM is still playing along.

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True, which explains why none of the twitter files or hearings related to are getting press.

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'It’s just so weird that MSM is still playing along.'

Was that a sarcastic rhetorical question?

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LOL "Racoon Dogs". Next month it will be a "conspiracy theory" to claim Elvis and Sasquatch were not involved.

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Anything published by The Atlantic can safely be presumed to only be there in order to further some narrative favored by the security state. So not even worth serious discussion.

But it does serve as entertainment, so there is that. Kind of like the story about how six folks and a boat took out Nord Stream. Good fun.

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> "It does not sound at all like specific theses favoured by Chinese authorities being laundered through Western scientists and landing overnight in our major press outlets."

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