Der Spiegel, after running multiple stories peddling the canard that mysterious “Russian ships” were implicated in the Nord Stream attacks of 26 September 2022, has in a familiar pattern now totally reversed course and declared instead that there is
Vielen Dank to Der Spiegel, but they need to look no further than President Biden’s publicly saying that the Pipeline would be taken out of play. Maybe we had help from the Ukraine, but no question the US destroyed the it.
Why don't we ever hear or see Putin talking about any of this? Does he not talk about it? I'd assume we'd want to hear from him BEFORE anyone else but he's the only one we never see or hear. It's bizarre.
he actually doesn’t. he rarely comments on western child play. what would be the point? spiegel would twist it anyway. if i was him i would also not even try to deal with the idiotic press and let them fool around.
to get a little sense of his sentiment watch the interview oliver stone did a few years ago.
It appears the columnist is ruling out the possibility that Biden uncharacteristically took action requiring advanced planning, interrupting nap time. That makes sense.
To "motive" and "opportunity" I'd like to add "threat" followed by "boast" followed by "confession."
Destroying Nordstream was the equivalent of blowing up the George Washington Bridge, the twin towers catastrophe, and Pearl Harbor. Think about it.
They think the Russians will forget. Ha. The Russians are still fighting WWII for chrissake.
Meanwhile the voters of South Carolina need to un-elect that fruitcake Lindsey Graham. AOC would represent the state's interest better than that clown, who recently told his buddy, that con artist who speaks like he's trying to swallow a porcupine coated in diarrhea, that giving him $130 billion (of which how many billions went to him and his cronies????) was the "best money we ever spent."
Look at your own state you miserable fake, phony, fraud. Look at the kids who can't afford a doctor or dentist, at the cannon fodder (veterans) sleeping under bridges, at the performance of schools in your large cities.
"Best money" "ever spent." Better than Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare. Better than the National Park Service, AMTRAK.
It's time to send these horrible individuals packing.
Good comment, Pu. In our abode we used to refer to McCain and Graham as big and little Bombsey. Never met something they didn’t want to bomb or perhaps to spend money on bombs. Do you ever wonder if all that best spent money is going to Ukraine? I’m discouraged enough to think that little Bombsey could be a “big guy” here.
I don't doubt for a moment that half the hawks are or will be paid in one way or another. It's called pay-triotism. But these rats all have multiple income streams. That's pluralism. Ukraine today, Formosa tomorrow. Hohoho
I really think people vastly underestimate how difficult this operation would be. The Ukrainians don't have a UDT or SEAL or SBS contingent that could pull this off. Plus the Russians haven't uttered a peep, you'd think they would be keen to point the finger.
Occams razor suggests the most likely perpetrator is the one who stood to benefit the most I.e. the US or the UK as proxy. Now, if they involved a handful of Ukrainians as an insurance policy, sure, possible.
Totally agree. More than a few high ranking Americans all but admitted to doing it. Then we memory hole all of them. What a joke we've become. Trump? Biden? Nuland? Can't we get some real people in charge in this country? Instead of these lizards.
Too obvious that the Americans blew up nordstream. Question for the author - what % of the German population questioned the current thing propaganda narratives on Ukraine, covid, climate, refugees, etc? Here are a few new clown world German words I created: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-speak-german
Ultimately, all these various narratives of who blew up the pipelines are succeeding only in creating a dense fog of plausible deniability within which the real saboteurs (almost certainly US/NATO led and organized) can Hid indefinitely.
By the time the truth is known, will anyone even remember to care?
The official scenario, at least as far as Germany, will be whatever the BKA comes up with – even if, as seems likely, nobody will find it very credible. Significant that they seem to be favouring a rogue Ukrainian commando theory, which would give the German government an excuse not to do anything politically.
at this point hersh could have presented tapes and documents and hold a press conference with ten whistleblowers from the state department and that military unit from florida… spiegel would just claim the origin of the tapes cannot be verified, the documents he drew himself and the whistleblowers are anytging between not credible and mentally ill and on revenge.
and the sheep would buy it like they wore their masks.
Putin, on the other hand, would have raised holy Hell in the UN, and might have even been successful at it. China would have been emboldened to more visibly support Russia.
Hersh did not provide such evidence, and so there was nothing Putin could use, and nothing to embolden China. Hersh's narrative is plausible, even probable. What it is not is proven
Which means each subsequent alternate narrative waters Hersh's story down that much more, and diminishes the possibility of holding anyone to account that much more.
the UN is a joke. i don’t believe this club offers too much leverage. it’s the kind of people who let colin powel put forth his jibberish and wave with a vial of piss… erm… yellow cake.
it’s a laughable bunch of opportunists.
if you’re looking for accountability… iraq 1, kosovo, iraq 2, jemen, covid… you can wait but tame your hopes.
what i will say is that we are above and beyond the point reaching reasonable accountability through the press or elections. and the majority is fine with that.
Had Hersh had even a smidgen of actual evidence the G7 price cap would never have happened -- THAT would have been the benefit of raising a ruckus in the UN.
As it is, the price cap reduced Russia's oil revenues for at least a few months, revenues Putin needs to sustain the Russian war machine.
How impactful the price cap and other sanctions have been on the Russian economy is a question people are going to debate endlessly. Still, the sanctions have been impactful to some degree.
That impact would be greatly reduced had Hersh provided proof to back up his narrative.
I have to wonder where that number comes from. Parts of the Baltic are that deep or deeper, but generally it's closer to 50 meters or even shallower. Is it an official figure from the gascompany? Honestly curious because I've lived in Scania, the swedish region closest to Bornholm and know two guys who used to work as sailors on the ships trafficking the routes to (East) Germany and Poland; they used to joke that if their ship goes down outside Bornholm, the tax-free shop will still be over the waterline.
I cannot tell you whodunit, but the results have gone far further than the publicized lack of heating gas. Suppliers of ceramics and tile, part of the business I now work for are unable to get these goods from factories in Europe (predonminently Spain) because these industries are shutting down due to lack of energy sources. I can only wonder if this is some kind of 'we had to destroy Europe to save it' moments and any of the available culprits have their entirely insane reasons to have done so. At this point, I DGAF if it was Russia, the US, Ukraine or whomever, It serves all of them and the devastation will affect everyone nonetheless.
Eine Frage .. ( having lived in Germany, I can’t help myself here..).. why has the German Government never said one word about who might have done this??
Wonder if it had anything to do with the environmentalists taking over German politics. They like to destroy energy and capitalism. They want to de industrialize Germany. Maybe the German government got a pass. No more public pressure to reopen pipelines
And the plot thickens....just like various false flags before it.....like Gulf of Tonkin incident which ultimately was responsible for the Vietnam War and 50,000 American soldiers and countless civilians lost forever...or the WMD claim...and many others. Whether directly or indirectly our intel agencies work for the Deep Admin State and NOT We The People. Bad actors all...desiring both conflicts and vast sums of money to be transferred to BAD actors...into political campaigns and bio-weapons for population control...and least of course election fraud engineering.
Except the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, it was only reported to have happened, while the fucktards really did blow up of the Nordstream pipeline. I repeat, the reported incident in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened.
I agree with you it never happened yet the desired result occurred as if it had…thus a false flag type created incident…WMDs created the same effect…used as a pretense for Itaq conflict….so whether a related incident with a desired effect whether happened or not was still a Govt created one…and must be accounted for as who really are the bad actors.
These war mongering mass murdering scum are really something else. The first one that comes to mind is Larry Silverstein. Can you imagine? This guy eats breakfast at the top of the building daily but misses 911 over a doctors appointment. This guy knew all those people he say daily were going to die. He knew dad's, moms sons daughters sisters brothers etc would be wiped out and clearly he doesn't give a f. I cannot even fathom how he can live with himself. That's the squeeze right there. Absolute utter insanity. And??? He too, like the rest still walks the earth. 3000 people and not one has a relative that will enact some justice. And maybe??? That's the most unbelievable of all.
You would think that the entity that did this (doesn´t take a genius to guess who), either directly or indirectly, would have one or more fall guys ready on day one, complete with backstory and various "factual" details worked out. It´s not like that hasn´t happened before. The only explanation I have for the fact that they didn´t have something like this in place and why they keep changing the story all the time is that they want to be able to dial the escalation with Russia up and down as desired on any given day. It´s also noteworthy that Russia is (perhaps surprisingly) somewhat reticent about the details of the Nord Stream attacks. I would be very surprised if they did not have all the relevant information. But apparently they also want to retain some flexibility on how to handle this issue communication-wise.
I agree. In my opinion, the theoretical downside to the ever-changing narrative is that, perhaps, at some point the notoriously clear-sighted (ahem) general public of our glorious FRG will lose faith in its ÖRR. I don´t know how likely this and whether the powers that be even care about that one way or the other.
You have to assume the Western Oligarchs, who are the real government, tricked Russia into invading Ukraine and would just love to provoke Russia in more escalation. They are Psychopaths and show every indication they would love Russia to use nukes in Ukraine or blowing up Western infrastructure would be a further opportunity for NATO to escalate. This is all part of their World Governance plan.
Um, Der Spiegel, you forgot to mention that since 2014 (Obama/CIA/Maidan) there is no Ukraine military- it thenceforth was the CIA. This is literally the Spider-man meme where he’s pointing at the other Spider-man. What a joke.
Not addressed in these accounts are the professional divers and specialized equipment needed to operate in these waters at these depths, as well as how the non-state actors could trigger the devices remotely (timers?). Or how they were able to do this during a NATO operation involving large fleets of ships and aircraft carefully monitoring the area during an exercise specifically designed to practice their ability to place, detect, and remove underwater explosives.
Vielen Dank to Der Spiegel, but they need to look no further than President Biden’s publicly saying that the Pipeline would be taken out of play. Maybe we had help from the Ukraine, but no question the US destroyed the it.
The story of Nordstream told by:
Biden: https://bitchute.com/video/d6Un1LIGdD2N
Nuland: https://bitchute.com/video/pY3RoScVVPsR
Rice: https://bitchute.com/video/zOyEIn5MwVaf
Blinkin: http://y2u.be/oaEe8A8T818
Poseidon Buoy: https://bitchute.com/video/v4yAPCqU22SG
It's done: https://bitchute.com/video/E22kNdO89rC0
Why don't we ever hear or see Putin talking about any of this? Does he not talk about it? I'd assume we'd want to hear from him BEFORE anyone else but he's the only one we never see or hear. It's bizarre.
he actually doesn’t. he rarely comments on western child play. what would be the point? spiegel would twist it anyway. if i was him i would also not even try to deal with the idiotic press and let them fool around.
to get a little sense of his sentiment watch the interview oliver stone did a few years ago.
You're right, what's the point they'll twist it anyway. I think I saw it I'm going to watch again. TY
Sure but what's the difference? What's going to happen? Not a damn thing per usual. It's all rigged.
It appears the columnist is ruling out the possibility that Biden uncharacteristically took action requiring advanced planning, interrupting nap time. That makes sense.
To "motive" and "opportunity" I'd like to add "threat" followed by "boast" followed by "confession."
Destroying Nordstream was the equivalent of blowing up the George Washington Bridge, the twin towers catastrophe, and Pearl Harbor. Think about it.
They think the Russians will forget. Ha. The Russians are still fighting WWII for chrissake.
Meanwhile the voters of South Carolina need to un-elect that fruitcake Lindsey Graham. AOC would represent the state's interest better than that clown, who recently told his buddy, that con artist who speaks like he's trying to swallow a porcupine coated in diarrhea, that giving him $130 billion (of which how many billions went to him and his cronies????) was the "best money we ever spent."
Look at your own state you miserable fake, phony, fraud. Look at the kids who can't afford a doctor or dentist, at the cannon fodder (veterans) sleeping under bridges, at the performance of schools in your large cities.
"Best money" "ever spent." Better than Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare. Better than the National Park Service, AMTRAK.
It's time to send these horrible individuals packing.
Good comment, Pu. In our abode we used to refer to McCain and Graham as big and little Bombsey. Never met something they didn’t want to bomb or perhaps to spend money on bombs. Do you ever wonder if all that best spent money is going to Ukraine? I’m discouraged enough to think that little Bombsey could be a “big guy” here.
Lindsey Graham is the dictionary definition of the phrase: "Chicken Hawk".
You misspelled shit. Chicken shit.
I don't doubt for a moment that half the hawks are or will be paid in one way or another. It's called pay-triotism. But these rats all have multiple income streams. That's pluralism. Ukraine today, Formosa tomorrow. Hohoho
I think you are correct. But, how does one become this? Some many lives destroyed so that they can have more….What?
I really think people vastly underestimate how difficult this operation would be. The Ukrainians don't have a UDT or SEAL or SBS contingent that could pull this off. Plus the Russians haven't uttered a peep, you'd think they would be keen to point the finger.
Occams razor suggests the most likely perpetrator is the one who stood to benefit the most I.e. the US or the UK as proxy. Now, if they involved a handful of Ukrainians as an insurance policy, sure, possible.
Don't forget the text sent to US by UKs then PM Truss a few minutes after the explosion: 'Its done'
Totally agree. More than a few high ranking Americans all but admitted to doing it. Then we memory hole all of them. What a joke we've become. Trump? Biden? Nuland? Can't we get some real people in charge in this country? Instead of these lizards.
Too obvious that the Americans blew up nordstream. Question for the author - what % of the German population questioned the current thing propaganda narratives on Ukraine, covid, climate, refugees, etc? Here are a few new clown world German words I created: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-speak-german
Ultimately, all these various narratives of who blew up the pipelines are succeeding only in creating a dense fog of plausible deniability within which the real saboteurs (almost certainly US/NATO led and organized) can Hid indefinitely.
By the time the truth is known, will anyone even remember to care?
The official scenario, at least as far as Germany, will be whatever the BKA comes up with – even if, as seems likely, nobody will find it very credible. Significant that they seem to be favouring a rogue Ukrainian commando theory, which would give the German government an excuse not to do anything politically.
I do begin to wonder if Hersh wasn't fed a storyline. The lack of corroboration made it an easy target for competing theories.
Hersh is a seasoned reporter who broke some of the biggest stories in the past.
He is not the type of person to be bamboozled.
Hersh put forward a story with no on the record sources and no corroboration.
That alone invites questions regardless of how close to the truth the story might ultimately be.
at this point hersh could have presented tapes and documents and hold a press conference with ten whistleblowers from the state department and that military unit from florida… spiegel would just claim the origin of the tapes cannot be verified, the documents he drew himself and the whistleblowers are anytging between not credible and mentally ill and on revenge.
and the sheep would buy it like they wore their masks.
Spiegel might have done so.
Putin, on the other hand, would have raised holy Hell in the UN, and might have even been successful at it. China would have been emboldened to more visibly support Russia.
Hersh did not provide such evidence, and so there was nothing Putin could use, and nothing to embolden China. Hersh's narrative is plausible, even probable. What it is not is proven
Which means each subsequent alternate narrative waters Hersh's story down that much more, and diminishes the possibility of holding anyone to account that much more.
the UN is a joke. i don’t believe this club offers too much leverage. it’s the kind of people who let colin powel put forth his jibberish and wave with a vial of piss… erm… yellow cake.
it’s a laughable bunch of opportunists.
if you’re looking for accountability… iraq 1, kosovo, iraq 2, jemen, covid… you can wait but tame your hopes.
what i will say is that we are above and beyond the point reaching reasonable accountability through the press or elections. and the majority is fine with that.
Had Hersh had even a smidgen of actual evidence the G7 price cap would never have happened -- THAT would have been the benefit of raising a ruckus in the UN.
As it is, the price cap reduced Russia's oil revenues for at least a few months, revenues Putin needs to sustain the Russian war machine.
How impactful the price cap and other sanctions have been on the Russian economy is a question people are going to debate endlessly. Still, the sanctions have been impactful to some degree.
That impact would be greatly reduced had Hersh provided proof to back up his narrative.
Kind of like the Russian collusion narrative.
No one who has ever been SCUBA diving in rough water with currents would ever believe any of this bullshit. Period.
This required the best of the best & heavy ships able to anchor in 240ft deep water.
The Ukrainians have been starting their spring assault against Russia for so long, it’s now summer.
The deafening silence after the investigation was completed, literally shows something untoward was done by countries other than the two at war.
Had it been Ukraine who had destroyed it, they wouldn’t be able to hold their tongues, it would have been all over the media and news.
Indeed, witness the hooorahhhhh that happens when they successfully shoot down a single RUS Kinzhal.
I have to wonder where that number comes from. Parts of the Baltic are that deep or deeper, but generally it's closer to 50 meters or even shallower. Is it an official figure from the gascompany? Honestly curious because I've lived in Scania, the swedish region closest to Bornholm and know two guys who used to work as sailors on the ships trafficking the routes to (East) Germany and Poland; they used to joke that if their ship goes down outside Bornholm, the tax-free shop will still be over the waterline.
OT, are you the camo guy? I think I know you from Jackson if so.
Indeed! Ha! Who dis? King @ king of the mountain dot com
Sent you an email.
New material for Wallace and Keith, fiction writers.
I cannot tell you whodunit, but the results have gone far further than the publicized lack of heating gas. Suppliers of ceramics and tile, part of the business I now work for are unable to get these goods from factories in Europe (predonminently Spain) because these industries are shutting down due to lack of energy sources. I can only wonder if this is some kind of 'we had to destroy Europe to save it' moments and any of the available culprits have their entirely insane reasons to have done so. At this point, I DGAF if it was Russia, the US, Ukraine or whomever, It serves all of them and the devastation will affect everyone nonetheless.
Eine Frage .. ( having lived in Germany, I can’t help myself here..).. why has the German Government never said one word about who might have done this??
terrified of the political implications and also they're full of people like Baerbock who are committed atlanticists
Unless they can blame it on extraterrestrials, there is no answer, not even in theory, which will not put them in a very bad spot.
Wonder if it had anything to do with the environmentalists taking over German politics. They like to destroy energy and capitalism. They want to de industrialize Germany. Maybe the German government got a pass. No more public pressure to reopen pipelines
Truth is the first casualty of .........well, everything.
Propaganda = The Truth. Just like "follow the science". We live in a fantasy illusion. The only reality is that your government is not your friend.
🤡 🌎
And the plot thickens....just like various false flags before it.....like Gulf of Tonkin incident which ultimately was responsible for the Vietnam War and 50,000 American soldiers and countless civilians lost forever...or the WMD claim...and many others. Whether directly or indirectly our intel agencies work for the Deep Admin State and NOT We The People. Bad actors all...desiring both conflicts and vast sums of money to be transferred to BAD actors...into political campaigns and bio-weapons for population control...and least of course election fraud engineering.
Except the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, it was only reported to have happened, while the fucktards really did blow up of the Nordstream pipeline. I repeat, the reported incident in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened.
I agree with you it never happened yet the desired result occurred as if it had…thus a false flag type created incident…WMDs created the same effect…used as a pretense for Itaq conflict….so whether a related incident with a desired effect whether happened or not was still a Govt created one…and must be accounted for as who really are the bad actors.
These war mongering mass murdering scum are really something else. The first one that comes to mind is Larry Silverstein. Can you imagine? This guy eats breakfast at the top of the building daily but misses 911 over a doctors appointment. This guy knew all those people he say daily were going to die. He knew dad's, moms sons daughters sisters brothers etc would be wiped out and clearly he doesn't give a f. I cannot even fathom how he can live with himself. That's the squeeze right there. Absolute utter insanity. And??? He too, like the rest still walks the earth. 3000 people and not one has a relative that will enact some justice. And maybe??? That's the most unbelievable of all.
But does this not start to undermine the "Ukraine can do no wrong" image being pushed by MSM to unconditionally support Zelensky?
You would think that the entity that did this (doesn´t take a genius to guess who), either directly or indirectly, would have one or more fall guys ready on day one, complete with backstory and various "factual" details worked out. It´s not like that hasn´t happened before. The only explanation I have for the fact that they didn´t have something like this in place and why they keep changing the story all the time is that they want to be able to dial the escalation with Russia up and down as desired on any given day. It´s also noteworthy that Russia is (perhaps surprisingly) somewhat reticent about the details of the Nord Stream attacks. I would be very surprised if they did not have all the relevant information. But apparently they also want to retain some flexibility on how to handle this issue communication-wise.
I think Russia wants to avoid escalation and being put in a position, where some retaliation is warranted/expected.
I agree. In my opinion, the theoretical downside to the ever-changing narrative is that, perhaps, at some point the notoriously clear-sighted (ahem) general public of our glorious FRG will lose faith in its ÖRR. I don´t know how likely this and whether the powers that be even care about that one way or the other.
You have to assume the Western Oligarchs, who are the real government, tricked Russia into invading Ukraine and would just love to provoke Russia in more escalation. They are Psychopaths and show every indication they would love Russia to use nukes in Ukraine or blowing up Western infrastructure would be a further opportunity for NATO to escalate. This is all part of their World Governance plan.
Um, Der Spiegel, you forgot to mention that since 2014 (Obama/CIA/Maidan) there is no Ukraine military- it thenceforth was the CIA. This is literally the Spider-man meme where he’s pointing at the other Spider-man. What a joke.
Not addressed in these accounts are the professional divers and specialized equipment needed to operate in these waters at these depths, as well as how the non-state actors could trigger the devices remotely (timers?). Or how they were able to do this during a NATO operation involving large fleets of ships and aircraft carefully monitoring the area during an exercise specifically designed to practice their ability to place, detect, and remove underwater explosives.
Occam’s razor is getting dulled.