One suspects the susceptible population is somewhat less than "all of us"
I've not come across anything so far which would falsify the hypothesis that monkeypox has been low level endemic in the west among a subset of promiscuous gay and bisexual men, and that the rapid increase in case diagnosis is an artefact of increased awareness and testing
i think this is exactly right – closest relatives are viruses from old 2018/2019 outbreaks seeded from nigeria. it probably picked up right before corona, circulated in the shadows and now they're just discovering it
Apparently, monkeypox has only become so active in Africa because of HIV - it appears to be another opportunistic infection that takes hold in a person with a compromised immune system.
These guys all went to the same party(ies) and came into contact with the same infected people. Amazing what you can catch when you're participating in a meth-fueled orgy. Do you think that it's a coincidence that the gender skew is 99% male, 1% female right now?
One of the most interesting things I've read lately was a discussion archived on some distant corner of the internet concerning an epidemiological analysis of the early stages of the AIDS epidemic in the early 80's.
Basically, the population of gay men in Europe and North America was so extremely promiscuous back then (and still is), that at any point in time these men had multiple infections of viruses, STD's, and parasites in their bodies, not to mention the regular introduction of bodily fluids from do many other individuals every day, to such a degree that their immune systems were constantly overly stimulated and weakened. And it wasn't HIV itself that caused AIDS to develop, rather HIV was just a pathogen that eventually pushed the immune system over the edge. They developed AIDS because their lifestyle was so damaging to their immune systems to begin with.
In other words, while HIV wasn't a gay-specific infection, the development of AIDS was exacerbated by the the risk factors inherent in the gay lifestyle in the first place that didn't apply to most normal and healthy people in the general non-gay male population.
I found the discussion to be quite illuminating, not to mention the way the health establishment 40 years ago was just as dissembling and mendacious then as it was in the past couple of years (Fauci in the house!). They did much of the same thing then as they did for covid, in proclaiming for political purposes and self-interest that what was clearly mostly just a risk to a specific subset of the population was a serious threat to everyone.
in the 80s they were using an extraordinary number of recreational drugs, including the highly toxic 'poppers', ampules of amyl nitrate, during sexual activity. They destroyed their immune systems with it, then Fauci finished them off with deadly AZT. They 'contact traced' their partners and talked them into starting AZT to 'prevent AIDS'.
Rolling Stone did a great article about the AIDS epidemic when it first started, interviewing many gay men who were dying. One of the things in the article was that the average number of sexual partners of gays in large urban areas that were surveyed by the CDC was around 1200.
This is an old theory which was discarded shortly after the discovery of the HIV virus, which took a couple of years to find. While theoretically attractive, it's wrong. Everyone's immune system is constantly fighting off all manner of infections. Right? How long does meat stay fresh in the fridge? Not long as it no longer has a functioning immune system.
Interesting take. I would quibble about the parenthetical "and still is", though. I remember very well how aggressively promiscuous gay males infested public places in the 1970s and 1980s, hitting on strangers. That all seemed to evaporate in the late '80s and '90s, as consciousness of AIDS took over, and the LGBT organizations looked to re-market themselves as advocates of responsible sex, handing out condoms and such. Since the 1980s, I've really seen very little evidence of gay promiscuity in public. What little I know of them, they seem about as sexually self-controlled as straight people now.
All the surveys I've come across suggest gay men have way more sexual partners on average than any other demographic. Maybe the number is lower than it was pre-AIDS, but it's still significantly more than straight men tend to have.
Hiya, I think is Aids entirely caused by lifestyle (and poverty and malnutrition in other countries). It cannot in any case by sexually transmitted as it is only associated with the frequency of receptive anal sex. (semen is very oxidising and the anus is very thin). Aids is a disease of oxidation. Kaposi sarcoma and PCP are known to be caused by nitrate (popper) inhalation.
The young men were also heavy drugs users and had very little sleep and poor nutrition.
The worsening of symptoms was caused by the failed chemotherapy drug AZT, which was also highly oxidising and toxic.
I had friends that ended up debiltated by HIV/AIDs back in the dark ages. I can recall them lamenting some parties they had attended. At least the current stuff is not as deadly.
My word. Of course they couldn't practice "Just say No". It looks as though this is the second male-homosexuals-only VD; AIDS/HIV in early 80's, monkeypox now 40 years later. But no one tells them to lay off anal sex. Just like nobody tells an alcoholic to stop drinking because it's killing him?
HIV remains with us but is no longer a death sentence. Given that the sex drive is second to eating/hunger, we likely will still see people behave foolishly. A lot of people tell them to lay off but people are still people. HIV at the time was a silent new killer in the pantheon of disease associated with promiscuous sex.
Not all presentations are quite as dramatic. The public health officials in the UK have been suggesting that it might be confused for genital warts by some sufferers
That "less than 'all of us'" is the crux of the problem. "All of us" must be the focus of any mitigation activity, otherwise some smart-alecky observer might "notice" and connect the dots between cause and effect. Noticing is how we humans make distinctions, make decisions, and take precautions against the risks of day-to-day living.
But such distinctions lead to choices amongst myriad behaviors--yet the one thing you cannot do is discriminate diverse lifestyle choices. In fact, you're required to champion diversity, and be inclusive of all, so best not to do any noticing of these differences arising from diversity. After all we're all the same, and we're "all of us" in this together. Right?
AIDs was, I think, the start of Political Correctness. "We know that this virus is endemic in a certain population, but we can't say that or tell them to curtail their promiscuous sexual activities because it will hurt their feelings."
Or maybe.... it was to keep homosexuality as a viable and attractive "option" for people, to stop population growth.
Correct! We will never see public health authorities say, “Just 2 weeks of no gay sex to flatten the curve.” We will never ask this group to modify their behavior “to save grandma.”
No not crazy. I was a young mother when the AIDS news came out and was shocked at a child's friend mentioning it--not to be spoken of in the hearing of a 7 year old! Have noted the rise of in-your-face pro-homosexuality now trans stuff coinciding with the self-appointed gods wailing about over-population. Obviously those who choose to use their reproductive facilities in non-reproductive ways will not be contributing to population. Unless, like Dave Rubin you con/pay/arrange to get a baby produced for you. Loved the guy, but this is the end of the road. Any babies coming that way, in my mind, are chattel--bought, paid for.
No effect on population growth is the goal. You know, don't encourage useless eaters to make more useless eaters. Male homosexuality is perfect for that.
Of course, now that I think of it, the funny thing about laying bets against these sorts of apocalyptic predictions (I'm lookin' at you, climatologists) is that even if I were to lose those bets, we'd all be way too dead for them to collect.
Yup. Radioactive fall-out when I was a child---don't eat snow, it has radioactive contaminants (friend, not parent, said this). Nuclear winter when I was in my early 20's. Radon scare. Black mold scare. Climate warming (but don't check Tony Heller's curated graphs and news clippings from 19th C). Seas rising--New Jersey will be under water by ...... Which predictions have I missed?
Here's a thought for you-- brought to you for the last 5000 years by your friendly neighborhood Hebrews who had a special line to the Creator : Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Sexual intercourse belongs only within marriage. Follow those two precepts and you won't have any problem with venereal disease. Simple, huh?
I can report you that as an unvaccinated I have already passed away. Although other side is not too bad internet connection seems reliable and there's no censorship at all so free to navigate substack. Also food is not bad.
Yes he is. What an embarrassment. That university was led into the dumpster by its Marxist president. He is probably a feigele like his friend Feigl, so a bit worried.
Killing them might be too extreme. All monkeys should wear masks in indoor public settings. THey will have to get jabbed or else will not be able to fly or eat in restaurants. The monkeys that are currently employed in circuses and zoos will have to get jabbed or be turned out back into the jungle to fend for themselves. thats the science ;)
sure... we can let them take off the masks to eat bananas but once they are done they have to put them right back on again because of course the pox virus is extremely dangerous and of course... science
No--far too loose. They are breathing while chewing. Mask off, take a bite; mask on, chew. Repeat until banana AW GON. Matters not that this is not an aerosolized virus.
His math checks out. Similarly, based on his growth in the last year, my 14 year old son projects to be 11 feet tall by the time he's 20. I'm going to begin construction now to raise the ceilings in my home.
One suspects the susceptible population is somewhat less than "all of us"
I've not come across anything so far which would falsify the hypothesis that monkeypox has been low level endemic in the west among a subset of promiscuous gay and bisexual men, and that the rapid increase in case diagnosis is an artefact of increased awareness and testing
i think this is exactly right – closest relatives are viruses from old 2018/2019 outbreaks seeded from nigeria. it probably picked up right before corona, circulated in the shadows and now they're just discovering it
Which, as a side benefit, would mean that corona measures were completely useless haha
Apparently, monkeypox has only become so active in Africa because of HIV - it appears to be another opportunistic infection that takes hold in a person with a compromised immune system.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17661673/
Well, we all know of some medical procedures that have recently become widespread, that seem to be causing immune dysfunction....
**As such, HSV has been classified as an “AIDS-defining condition” if lasting longer than a month or presenting in the lungs, bronchi or oesophagus.**
Wait...sometimes HSV clears in less than a month? Thought it is forever...
It never goes away, but it does go dormant in people with healthy immune systems. I think they meant the active phase.
Except it's such a hideously visible infection. Not exactly a secret sharer kind of thing.
These guys all went to the same party(ies) and came into contact with the same infected people. Amazing what you can catch when you're participating in a meth-fueled orgy. Do you think that it's a coincidence that the gender skew is 99% male, 1% female right now?
this, and if you live like this you can only imagine all the strange genital rashes you become accustomed to
One of the most interesting things I've read lately was a discussion archived on some distant corner of the internet concerning an epidemiological analysis of the early stages of the AIDS epidemic in the early 80's.
Basically, the population of gay men in Europe and North America was so extremely promiscuous back then (and still is), that at any point in time these men had multiple infections of viruses, STD's, and parasites in their bodies, not to mention the regular introduction of bodily fluids from do many other individuals every day, to such a degree that their immune systems were constantly overly stimulated and weakened. And it wasn't HIV itself that caused AIDS to develop, rather HIV was just a pathogen that eventually pushed the immune system over the edge. They developed AIDS because their lifestyle was so damaging to their immune systems to begin with.
In other words, while HIV wasn't a gay-specific infection, the development of AIDS was exacerbated by the the risk factors inherent in the gay lifestyle in the first place that didn't apply to most normal and healthy people in the general non-gay male population.
I found the discussion to be quite illuminating, not to mention the way the health establishment 40 years ago was just as dissembling and mendacious then as it was in the past couple of years (Fauci in the house!). They did much of the same thing then as they did for covid, in proclaiming for political purposes and self-interest that what was clearly mostly just a risk to a specific subset of the population was a serious threat to everyone.
in the 80s they were using an extraordinary number of recreational drugs, including the highly toxic 'poppers', ampules of amyl nitrate, during sexual activity. They destroyed their immune systems with it, then Fauci finished them off with deadly AZT. They 'contact traced' their partners and talked them into starting AZT to 'prevent AIDS'.
Rolling Stone did a great article about the AIDS epidemic when it first started, interviewing many gay men who were dying. One of the things in the article was that the average number of sexual partners of gays in large urban areas that were surveyed by the CDC was around 1200.
This is an old theory which was discarded shortly after the discovery of the HIV virus, which took a couple of years to find. While theoretically attractive, it's wrong. Everyone's immune system is constantly fighting off all manner of infections. Right? How long does meat stay fresh in the fridge? Not long as it no longer has a functioning immune system.
Interesting take. I would quibble about the parenthetical "and still is", though. I remember very well how aggressively promiscuous gay males infested public places in the 1970s and 1980s, hitting on strangers. That all seemed to evaporate in the late '80s and '90s, as consciousness of AIDS took over, and the LGBT organizations looked to re-market themselves as advocates of responsible sex, handing out condoms and such. Since the 1980s, I've really seen very little evidence of gay promiscuity in public. What little I know of them, they seem about as sexually self-controlled as straight people now.
All the surveys I've come across suggest gay men have way more sexual partners on average than any other demographic. Maybe the number is lower than it was pre-AIDS, but it's still significantly more than straight men tend to have.
Hiya, I think is Aids entirely caused by lifestyle (and poverty and malnutrition in other countries). It cannot in any case by sexually transmitted as it is only associated with the frequency of receptive anal sex. (semen is very oxidising and the anus is very thin). Aids is a disease of oxidation. Kaposi sarcoma and PCP are known to be caused by nitrate (popper) inhalation.
The young men were also heavy drugs users and had very little sleep and poor nutrition.
The worsening of symptoms was caused by the failed chemotherapy drug AZT, which was also highly oxidising and toxic.
I've written a little about this here and the two films linked are pretty compelling https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/the-importance-of-intellectual-freedom?s=w
thank you
Jo
And just like now....they weren't.
Eeeeeeewwwwwww!!!!!!!!!
I had friends that ended up debiltated by HIV/AIDs back in the dark ages. I can recall them lamenting some parties they had attended. At least the current stuff is not as deadly.
My word. Of course they couldn't practice "Just say No". It looks as though this is the second male-homosexuals-only VD; AIDS/HIV in early 80's, monkeypox now 40 years later. But no one tells them to lay off anal sex. Just like nobody tells an alcoholic to stop drinking because it's killing him?
HIV remains with us but is no longer a death sentence. Given that the sex drive is second to eating/hunger, we likely will still see people behave foolishly. A lot of people tell them to lay off but people are still people. HIV at the time was a silent new killer in the pantheon of disease associated with promiscuous sex.
It’s the old “too many monkeys on the banana” problem.
Not all presentations are quite as dramatic. The public health officials in the UK have been suggesting that it might be confused for genital warts by some sufferers
Also a recognised side effect following vax. There are published papers on this.
some serious side effects, such as death, from the original and worst vaccine of the them all - small pox. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense?s=w
Wonder if they're lying...
If you meet and do your sex partners in a dark dungeon, it actually is a secret sharer thing!
unless transmitted in the dark; like the 'Darklands' Festival in Antwerp
Not if you keep your trousers on, haha!
That "less than 'all of us'" is the crux of the problem. "All of us" must be the focus of any mitigation activity, otherwise some smart-alecky observer might "notice" and connect the dots between cause and effect. Noticing is how we humans make distinctions, make decisions, and take precautions against the risks of day-to-day living.
But such distinctions lead to choices amongst myriad behaviors--yet the one thing you cannot do is discriminate diverse lifestyle choices. In fact, you're required to champion diversity, and be inclusive of all, so best not to do any noticing of these differences arising from diversity. After all we're all the same, and we're "all of us" in this together. Right?
/snark off.
I plan to do my part to stop it by not going to a gay rave.
You don't know what you're missing! And neither do I! Let's stay that way!
Or a decreased immune system thanks to the shots.
Except if all of us were taking peeners in our bungholes...
increased testing and some orgy opportunities in the form of a few 'festivals'. I wonder who planned them.
That's what I love about mathematical modeling. No constraints. Today Africa, tomorrow the South Pole.
AIDs was, I think, the start of Political Correctness. "We know that this virus is endemic in a certain population, but we can't say that or tell them to curtail their promiscuous sexual activities because it will hurt their feelings."
Or maybe.... it was to keep homosexuality as a viable and attractive "option" for people, to stop population growth.
Yes, I know. Crazy.
Correct! We will never see public health authorities say, “Just 2 weeks of no gay sex to flatten the curve.” We will never ask this group to modify their behavior “to save grandma.”
Brilliant answer that made me laugh as well.
No not crazy. I was a young mother when the AIDS news came out and was shocked at a child's friend mentioning it--not to be spoken of in the hearing of a 7 year old! Have noted the rise of in-your-face pro-homosexuality now trans stuff coinciding with the self-appointed gods wailing about over-population. Obviously those who choose to use their reproductive facilities in non-reproductive ways will not be contributing to population. Unless, like Dave Rubin you con/pay/arrange to get a baby produced for you. Loved the guy, but this is the end of the road. Any babies coming that way, in my mind, are chattel--bought, paid for.
Except that male homosexuality has no effect on population growth, since only women have babies.
No effect on population growth is the goal. You know, don't encourage useless eaters to make more useless eaters. Male homosexuality is perfect for that.
Bar-Yam's fantasy projections strike me as a (ahem) model candidate for the kind of predictions market John Carter suggests here:
https://barsoom.substack.com/p/social-prediction-markets?s=r
Of course, now that I think of it, the funny thing about laying bets against these sorts of apocalyptic predictions (I'm lookin' at you, climatologists) is that even if I were to lose those bets, we'd all be way too dead for them to collect.
Yup. Radioactive fall-out when I was a child---don't eat snow, it has radioactive contaminants (friend, not parent, said this). Nuclear winter when I was in my early 20's. Radon scare. Black mold scare. Climate warming (but don't check Tony Heller's curated graphs and news clippings from 19th C). Seas rising--New Jersey will be under water by ...... Which predictions have I missed?
Are penguins promiscuous?
monogamous
Canada geese also.
Feel better soon, E!
Had these morons no actual power to fuck up all our lives, it would be a great enjoyment to be just rolling on the floor laughing.
Get better soon! Are you drinking your ginger tea? Must I go over there and make some for you, you naughty boy?
highly transmissible respiratory virus didn't grow exponentially, but this STD primarily spread through the casual gay sex population SURELY WILL
Until it runs out of wet tinder to infect.
However, if it infects enough gays it could evolve in the gays to become more transmissible, and then it really could infect everyone.
HIV was passed by bisexuals to females
ViaVeritasVitajust now
Here's a thought for you-- brought to you for the last 5000 years by your friendly neighborhood Hebrews who had a special line to the Creator : Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Sexual intercourse belongs only within marriage. Follow those two precepts and you won't have any problem with venereal disease. Simple, huh?
As someone who is "vaxx" free I am still waiting to die from covid. Monkeypox is going to have to wait. Feel better!
I can report you that as an unvaccinated I have already passed away. Although other side is not too bad internet connection seems reliable and there's no censorship at all so free to navigate substack. Also food is not bad.
HA! Thanks for a much needed laugh.
Perhaps gay men could just "keep it in their pants" to save grandma this time around, instead of locking down everyone?
I don't think grandma is at risk for monkeypox, regardless, unless they're having sex with gay men.
Most grandmas weren't at risk for Covid either but that didn't stop the lockdowns.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE OF MONKEY GRIDS BEFORE THE 4TH OF JULY
I can't believe these people are in charge of our institutions
You mean GRARS: Gay related ass rash syndrome
Wait 'til WHO is in charge. Please God, no!
Children's Health Defense is still running their petition
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Fecking tool. Him and Feigl-Ding ding ding.
300 million requires a lot of buggery and would also wipe out the global gerbil population. Who is this clown? I hope that he is not the guy from MIT.
Yes he is. What an embarrassment. That university was led into the dumpster by its Marxist president. He is probably a feigele like his friend Feigl, so a bit worried.
Is "freaking out about viruses" itself caused by a virus?
or the 'cure'
Yes it is, and primarily from the ImaMoron variant.
Oh thank you for the laugh!
Where can I bet on the under? I’d like put my entire 401k on it.
We must KILL all the monkeys!
Clearly culling the world monkey population is the only way out of this. It's us or them.
Killing them might be too extreme. All monkeys should wear masks in indoor public settings. THey will have to get jabbed or else will not be able to fly or eat in restaurants. The monkeys that are currently employed in circuses and zoos will have to get jabbed or be turned out back into the jungle to fend for themselves. thats the science ;)
That might be too extreme. Maybe monkeys should only wear masks in restaurants on their way to being seated.
As always, Dr. Fauci has the answer. https://babylonbee.com/news/fauci-recommends-stopping-spread-of-monkeypox-by-covering-eyes-ears-mouth/
sure... we can let them take off the masks to eat bananas but once they are done they have to put them right back on again because of course the pox virus is extremely dangerous and of course... science
No--far too loose. They are breathing while chewing. Mask off, take a bite; mask on, chew. Repeat until banana AW GON. Matters not that this is not an aerosolized virus.
Did you see the story about the zoo that vaxxed their gorillas? Two of them died soon after.
I think that's where humans came from in the first place; they didn't like competition. That and the neanderthals gettin all caveman with their women.
yes the jungle... all the unvaxxed can be banished to the jungle.
And eating up the mosquitoes!
Feel better🙏❤️
His math checks out. Similarly, based on his growth in the last year, my 14 year old son projects to be 11 feet tall by the time he's 20. I'm going to begin construction now to raise the ceilings in my home.
OMG if laughter is the best medicine this should do the trick! Feel better soon.