When I write of the pandemic response as a basically undirected social and institutional contagion, the same question always comes up: What about Event 201, and the 2017 SPARS exercise, and all those other creepy prophetic pandemic wargames?
I'm going to go out on a limb here: corona-like restrictions will not happen again for a very long time. They are/were a unique product of: the death of civic life and religion, mass communication via the internet, the slow decline of democracy in favour of authoritarianism and finally decadence causing fear and sloth.
They are at heart a panic, sheer panic, much like the dancing madness and various other lunacies. I'm reading about the Rwandan massacre at the moment and these hysterias sweep through populations and seem to be as solid as gravity. The moment passes and all that is left is quiet shame and bitterness.
I really agree. I'm more concerned about the vaccinators and vaccine passes, but everyone knows (and won't say out loud) that lockdowns were huge, huge mistake.
I haven't experienced silence. The response I hear is, "But I know people who DIED!" to justify or excuse lockdowns,, mask requirements,, social distancing, etc.
Yes, people died, but there's no evidence that locking down the country saved any lives.
And that devolves into accusations of being insensitive to death.
I am trying to work on composing a question that would require some sort of response.
It is a crushing pity that we see such a visceral response as it is.
Hubbs and I are not allowed to talk about it with any of our kids.
My daddy is 99 and fully shotted, but I do not engage with oldsters. they somehow got pulled in. What a tragic mind set for the later years of your life. To live among such stupidity
Governments are never to be trusted and the collective WE seems to always have to learn the hard way (AGAIN!)." Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it"....as for trusting doctors, our present culture and Academia have been contaminated on purpose. Technocracy & technology, as embraced in such large numbers, is a major destroyer of intimacy & trust. Prior to this century it wasn't nearly so bad in person to person relationships. The "values" of the more recent generations have been captured and corrupted. Sad to see. Most under 40 don't know what they are missing.
I personally had very bad experiences with doctors and hospitals .The hospital is the most dangerous place one can enter ,especially if you go there with anything flu like . My brother did just that and was dead six days later . I,m well informed so they can't get me to commit suicide per treatment protocol in there, if I get a flu .Sure we all will die some day ,we are not immortal ,but I want it natural and not getting boosted to eternity .
When the self appointed masters tell us to do something ,always do the opposite and you are mostly on the right track . There is almost nothing they demand we do ,that is to our benefit .
What's so astonishing is that there is still so much trust or at least so little criticism. Why should I trust the people who are responsible for 2g and lockdown for the unvaccinated to get the fight against climate change right, or gender self ID laws? They have shown themselves to be terribly fallible, even more than expected. And yet, apparently people still trust them.
I'm simply not convinced there is going to be some mass die off as a result of these dirty vaccines. These things aren't time bombs. They are actively killing the people who will die from them as we speak.
I am not predicting a mass die off mainly because the vast majority decided to stop taking boosters. But I do expect MCM's weekly "in memory of" column to continue growing.
The vaxxed victims have calamari growing in their blood vessels . It does get pulled out by undertakers ,but you must be dead first .The rest of the vaxxies must wait a while longer for the calamari to mature .Your turn will come .
Hopefully! All the more reason to remind people that the reason for lockdowns was to get everyone vaccinated. Once they got their vax targets they lifted the lockdowns. But not everyone cottoned on to the police state tactics.
The vaccine mandates are upon us. Yale University has just mandated bivalent “boosters” into the bodies of the students; this was required of them before they could - and in order that they might — return to campus after Winter break.
These bivalent "boosters" were not tested on a single human, only on 8 mice, with those tests solely to determine the reaction by their immune systems, not for any short term side effects, not for any actual immunity, and certainly not for any long term side effects as the test subjects were promptly euthanized.
I guess I'm part of the minority, with you. I agree that no one--no one--has admitted any mistakes were made in the Covid response. I think the response was a trial run for what govt will do the next time (only better!).
When our host wondrously comments about "public health risk communicators," as if an amorphous collective, these are the people effectuating panic porn. And panic porn was a main effort to induce fear in the public to gain compliance with all the hoop-threading and hurdle-jumping mandates.
And for people who submitted to the jab, how can they ever concede it as a mistake, as there's no do-over for them--it's permanent.
I have a secret list of heroes of the covid years, and the GBD people are firmly on it. They say they didn't expect the backlash they got, but still, they didn't cave, they didn't apoplogize and mend their ways, they kept defending their position - and they were proven right.
Yes, there is immense cognitive resistance to ever ever facing the terrible error in judgment/coercion to "go along to get along" and get the jab just like Elton John recommended on the telly.
We understand this better by example:
Imagine your spouse was driving a nice new car, maybe it cost you a cool $90,000 (not so unusual anymore, for folks who want a new, top line car or truck . . . 2022 GMC Sierra 1500 for example) and totaled it. And let's assume that it's pretty clear it was the driver's fault (say there was some beer and a tree . . . or a ditch . . . or a failure to account for black ice . . .)
Obviously he'd feel pretty awful about it. For a while. But in order to continue functioning, he would pretty soon JUST STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.
It would pass into faded memory, along with some story or other at least slightly exonerating him. He would ignore the higher insurance bills, and probably look away fairly quickly if he saw the same make and model on the road.
It's what we do when we make a bad choice, a poor risk analysis, a serious mistake. We try to move beyond it, but there's a danger in moving beyond it if we don't face the reality of how & why it happened: it, or something like it, is very likely to happen again.
It's painful, but necessary, to overcome our own resistance and face what really happened.
But 99% of the hoi polloi will never face the grim reality that they have gambled their actual health & longevity for the vaporware "benefit" of a novel injectable.
Our system is corrupt as those in govt and public health and healthcare (and media) 'responsible' for the decisions regarding the Covid response face no penalties for getting it wrong. A system without a corrective feedback loop will never improve the decision-making process. Actions without consequences amount to tyranny and anarchy.
The driver who wrecked their $90,000 truck pays for it (one way or another) in the end--because there are consequences that matter.
I agree. The foundation of science is the ability to look at the data with steely eyed honesty and admit failure. The current response is evidence of corruption, similar to Gallileo’s time. Except now the government and billionaire funds (as primary benefactors) have replaced the Catholic church.
We must remember ,shots are meant to kill ,not make us healthy .A woman next door with a cancer in remission for three years died last month . Coming and going they wore masks and no doubt had the maximum of shots .My wife knew her well ,she and her husband where big believers in big pharma .Did her believe kill her ?
Right, to say they are uniquivacally not time bombs, as claimed above, is hopeful thinking. Sure, let's all hope. The mRNA didn't work, but it does stay in the body of those not lucky enough to have lower-temp-derived unstableness of it, seem to have it for life (or death), so who knows at this point. The Germany excess sudden death rate shows it being fairly stable at 250% above norm going on half a year now. Those countries and individuals that go in 3-5X with boosters means a lot of death is ahead. Even in the US, 25% getting the 4x or 5x booster is a lot of people.
The lockdowns weren't a mistake. They were a test to see how far they could push the public. They were also a tool to cause economic failure, particularly in the area of small business. Because Walmarts and chain grocery stores were still open. Small individually owned stores and restaurants were forced to shutdown. Amazon made out like a bandit, because everyone was told to stay home. People didn't even know what was still open.
There was also the push for the vaccine passports during that time, because they needed the apparent "emergency" to validate the concern. But nobody was worried about passports to get into Walmarts or chain grocery stores. Hmm...
None of this was on accident, that's why there's nothing for the bureaucrats to "learn." They aren't interested in learning, they are interested in how much CONTROL they can gain by scaring the hell out of people.
Canceling people, and censorship started to play a larger roll once people started to question the validity of the decisions being made. People started to ask questions, and realize that there were holes in the logic that was being applied, but that's not allowed.
Good! People who pushed back did much better. But many didn't. They were truly scared.
Leana Wen said, "Look the science has changed since the start of this..."
No, because the "all cause" death rate, arguably never changed during the height of covid!
They expect you to believe that around 162,000 a year die from Flu related illness, but 900,000 died from COVID, which has nearly the same survivability rate? That would mean (5) times more people died from COVID.
There are only two possibilities. The CDC numbers for Flu related illness deaths are completely wrong, or the COVID death numbers are completely wrong. We know that the COVID numbers were fake, because they listed deaths as COVID related if someone tested positive (from a faulty PCR test) within 28 days of dying, regardless of the true cause of death.
The whole thing has been mishandled and misrepresented from the start. I trust "public health" about as much as a fart during the Flu.
It was all done to scare people, not "save lives." Because saving lives would have involved diagnosing people with the Flu, which didn't disappear that year, and is definitely treatable.
The most infuriating to me is the lack of any independent thought. The most egregious was the "stay inside" rules. I live within 1/2 mile of a New England bay. Fresh salt air is glorious in the summer. But people here STAYED INSIDE on 4th of July. THAT is the precise moment when I decided this is all bullshit. There is NO WAY that fresh air & sunshine in the summer can be harmful.
No one else would push back on the fear porn. This is the extent of the stupidity.
You're absolutely right. Being outside is the safest place to be when something might be airborne. Hell, that's where you can spray-paint safely!
I live in Florida, and they were saying the same thing about Spring Break. It was a "Super Spreader Event." But afterwards, nothing happened. It was all a lie. At least the college kids didn't buy into it. Or, perhaps the lure of wild beautiful women and drinking was just too strong. Go party with women on the beach, and risk the Flu, or stay home. It's a no-brainer. LOL
Even though some part of the G20/WHO/WEF crowd would just love to have these health passes again, wasn't the main sell with the vaccine passes that they were a condition for a "safe" reopening and giving the majority a reward for being such good guys and gals? So without a harsh lockdown, it would be pretty hard to introduce these passes again, unless you have the vaccine pretty much prepared directly around the first outbreak (Bill Gates' wet dream I assume). Also, people will likely be suspicious about any claims about herd immunity via vaccines in a future pandemic, as they failed so miserably to do that this time.
Yes but the possibility would be that they will lock down but have vaccines much quicker (I think Gates recently said that was the biggest mistake with the response even though he acknowledges that these vaccines weren't good at stoppiing transmission).
So could there be a lockdown with vaccines ready to go by 6 months? The passports are already in place and could just be brought back again.
Yes I think he said they could ultimately have vaccines in 100 days or so, so that could be the risk. It's hard to see how plausible this is though.
There's also the economic aspect of it. It's much harder to lockdown with high interest rates (no free money) and in the midst of a recession (any restrictions on businesses would be political suicide), so the next pandemic would need a return to ulta-low interest rates. Remember, in the beginning of the pandemic, leftists usually talk about the "economy", like it's something we can easily do away with, but no one talks like that anymore. The WEF crowd is also dependent on the continuation of the easy money for their climate- and pandemic-related wealth transfers, and if the Fed continues their interest rate hikes, it would be much more difficult for Klaus Schwab to get his wild ideas through.
Could be but if they can convince people it's only for 4 months - look 100 days - well, at this point nothing would surprise me. Then they use vaccine passports as an incentive because otherwise you're stuck in lockdowns. Note that at the recent conference in Manila one leader said that the entire economy doesn't need to be shut down and that vaccine passports would be vetted by the WHO for travel. People took it to mean that without the passport one won't be able to travel but the words could have been just as applicable to a situation in which the vaccinated can move freely around and the unvaccinated are locked down.
Agree, nothing would surprise me either. I have no doubt they're dying to restrict our lives again - I'm not really sure there's enough bureaucratic momentum to do it through lockdowns and vaccine passports again. It would likely be some new black swan event. Actually, laws don't matter anymore, the WHO can have its pandemic treaty all they want - if there's not enough energy to follow the most fanatic pandemicists, it's pointless. I'm not saying I'm ruling out invasive health restrictions forever, but even to convince the mindless plebs you need to have some of rationale behind it. I think it's more likely you have a slow creep of small regulations here and there, because it's easier for the bureaucrats to get away with. I think what happened with Covid was that the elites got too eager to take advantage of the "small window of opportunity" but that also revealed their hand and now we're know what they are up to. Before that, they could just work in the dark and I think they're much comfortable doing that tbh.
I’m finding that people just aren’t talking about it much anymore. My in-laws, who were proponents of the vaccines and lockdowns, brought up something about vaccines and how everyone has had it by now. The whole room just went silent. No one wanted to take the bait or discuss anything about it. I feel the same way to a certain extent. I was never a proponent of lockdowns and didn’t get the vaccine. I’m angry, but I’m really just sick of the whole thing. I want justice, and until I see that I’m just tired of discussing it. I’ve had family members ex-communicate us and many friends just quietly drop off the radar when they knew my vaccine status.
My oldest friend is deeply progressive and was a huge proponent of all things corona. She’s a fan of nearly every bad idea that comes from progressivism, including all the current fads that celebrate “diversity” and all the crap that is coming out in the schools. I can hardly talk to her anymore - not because we have verbal disagreements, but it’s like I’ve seen her with her clothes off and I’m totally embarrassed *for* her. Like wow, your side has really devolved into clown world, right?
That's kind of what happened to me when Trump was elected. There were people that I knew who said some of the most ridiculous stuff on Facebook. That's why I got off of it. Too many people were completely nuts!
This girl I went to high school with said, "I'm worried that rapes are going to start increasing now that Trump was elected." Uhh, why? I told her, "You know that all of the people you knew the day before, are still the same people..." How in the world would you be scared of rape -- because of who is elected president? During the Clinton years she wasn't worried.
I'm like you to an extent. Everything has become so strange these days that we're all just along for the ride to some extent.
Indeed, no sane person today denies that lockdowns did far more harm than good. And except for a tiny perpetual lunatic fringe like the Billy Meier UFO cult, even the most rabid Branch Covidian zealots (including in China of all places finally!) have quietly dropped lockdowns from their platform. (Hopefully)
Have you seen what insurance companies new exclusion clauses look like? Wish I could post the picture from All State directly to your comments section but it can be found here.
At least two backbench MPs (one Lab, one Tory) certainly didn't take the injection. I think they want medical privacy. This is quite right. It's absurd being asked to dlsclose your medical records in public against your will.
James, I agree. A lot of people were frightened into believing the lockdown response, so NIH, WHO, etc., were given a pass, but the wreck that got left behind has destroyed their legitimacy so much that only a small slice of true believers will put up with that again. Of course, there's billions to be made still, and Pharma at alia will continue the grift as long as they can -- which is why we're now getting CDC alarms over the "triple threat" of RSV, flu, and COVID-19.
I think the Pope, the King and the Prime Minister could all tell everyone to stay indoors tomorrow and they'd get two fingers. The undercurrent of panic simply isn't there.
The real problem is that lacking a sincere moral and spiritual foundation (God) our society lacks even the most basic stability. There have been endless crises recently, 'Me Too', the Floyd criminal's death, the envirowankers complaining about hot summers: in some ways we were primed for a nervous breakdown.
I agree! People were very excited to be lockdowned and masked and dicing with death in the supermarket. Real killer pandemics don't involve the middle classes making banana bread or tweeting about how difficult it was to get an Ocado delivery slot. These people swing from one invented crisis to another. The children of these people are currently having nervous breakdowns over the impending End of the World (whilst still managing to fly off on exotic holidays in between throwing beans at art works). Everyone's a Victim aren't they? But they have mostly moved on from Covid (been there, done that, been jabbed, got unexpected health problems now) so they won't fall for the lockdown stuff again. But they will fall for some other tosh because they want to!
“ ...oh, you poor, poor thing. Suffering as you are. You have my undying sympathy, and someday, should you physically survive this, and you likely will, you may learn from it. Alternatively you could persist in denying that your grief, blaming, virtue signalling behaviour and politically correct but unprincipled, immoral and galactically misguided disposition is what got you into this wretched state. It is your choice. Either way, My dear Mr. Fauci, please do yourself and all of us a small but lovely favour. Get back on your knees, say your prayers ( to God, not government this time) and beg forgiveness. For which you may receive what mercy He may deem fit. “
Yes, i am fearful of few things but lightning bolts and thunder are cringeworthy! Not to mention he may be a needle-riddled voodoo doll for his equally guilty puppet masters in Davos. Ouch!
Indeed, if it was a real plague, no one would have to tell anybody twice. And the powers that be would be urging everyone to "keep calm and carry on", not manufacturing fear.
This Emma Goldman quote comes to mind: "That is just it, the majority cannot reason; it has no judgment. Lacking utterly in originality and moral courage, the majority has always placed its destiny in the hands of others. Incapable of standing responsibilities, it has followed its leaders even unto destruction."
The majority has never been able to think for themselves, it was just easier to know who and what the authority and the moral code were before. Now the morality is subjective and dependent on the latest hysteria on social media.
I couldn’t recall the original comment you were replying to. Had to figure out if this was referring to the Earth as a bowling ball or what. 🤡🌍👀 It’s early …
In the UK the traditional rude sign is two fingers in a 'V' aimed at the recipient. It's the reverse of that weird 'peace' thing Asian women do. Unfortunately now being replaced amongst young Britons by the American single finger.
With the passage of time, we could see Covid was a tempest in a teapot. Some took longer the see that than others.
The people that want to make the next one happen will unleash a truly deadly pathogen. Think bubonic plague, which killed a third to a half of the population in the mid-1300's. While you might think the rats, fleas, and other vectors that drove that pandemic don't exist like they did then, there are some very smart people thinking up new ways to overcome the obstacles.
They have plenty of raw material to work with- smallpox, ebola, hemorragic fever, and others.
Doubt it. As if they would want to put themselves and their own family in jeopardy. This was always the problem with the "dangerous lab-leak" theory. Unless those in charge had a sure-fire cure, there was no way they were going to allow for experiments that would put themselves at risk. Lab leak theory seems as likely as wet market theory. Also now there is evidence that SARS-Cov2 was around far before the lockdowns in China. In fact, the lockdowns in China seemed to be theater itself with people falling down dead from a respiratory virus - something that has never happened before from any respiratory virus and hasn't happened with covid anywhere except Wuhan.
They're not going to let concerns about their families stop them.
You think the police defunders give a thought that their mom or BIL might get pushed on the train tracks just for the fun of it by a violent thug released for the dozenth time?
You think Bill Gates, George Soros, and the rest of them don't have luxury bug-out locations set up?
As far as the lab leak, I never thought it was deliberate. Fauci and his fellow clowns knew on a surface level an accidental release is possible. That's completely different from conscientiously taking the steps to ensure it doesn't happen. Daszak was required to confirm the WIV was taking the proper steps to confine the virus. He was asked in an interview if he did that. He said he did. "How did you do that?" he was asked. "We asked them." he answered. Hello? A pro would have requested to see the paperwork demonstrating they were prepared. And taken at least minimal steps to confirm it wasn't pencil-whipped.
A lot of people cannot let themselves believe the government would not only promote a vax that wasn't effective and was dangerous, but force the public to take it. Many still can't.
I’m in Boston, the city that seems to grown public health authorities like a cancer that metastasizes into the rest of the world. I see no indication that the public health authorities have gone into hiding. They just seem to be waiting for their next big push. Money is still pouring in.
I know several people in medical-adjacent fields up there and yes, you are 100% correct. There's an odd proportion of New Englander's who have a bit too much trust in large, state-managed institutions.
The behavior we've witnessed is driven by the desire of megalomaniacs in positions of power to control through fear. If hysteria regarding pandemics fails to promote their power they will push another manipulative narrative (e.g. climate change). We must understand megalomania is a mental disorder. Those suffering from the affliction are driven by motives foreign to the great majority, meaning mentally healthy people. Consistent with the lack of empathy symptomatic of megalomania their rhetoric and actions are self serving and all too often malevolent.
The new pandemic will be nothing new. It’s what we call evil. A pandemic of power-and-wealth -based corruption due to lack of self-knowledge as humans, who are, all of us, quite corruptible unless we guard most vehemently against it. It has raged for many centuries and will end only end when we humans truly get our principled act together. A war to end all wars. In the form of increasing battles against the forces that brutally and sneakily subvert the Rule of Common Law, Justice, Normality in all its forms, Nuremberg Codes, Hippocratic Oath, God-fearing Moral Codes of behaviour , humbly-serving leaders, etc etc.
Perhaps the cyclical nature of evil attests to its permanence; we are meant to live, which, by definition, is probably to engage in the good fight, and have gratitude for the experience of rising against something worth fighting against. What an amazing time to be alive.
So true Jeff. We are definitely dealing with criminally insane people. The end justifies the means with demoniacs. I doubt they have any humanity left in them if they ever had any.
Was that a reply to me or SS? I don't think either of those will make an appearance again. Even in the UK mask-wearing in medical settings is frequently patchy. Eventually someone will quietly bin them for good in a decade's time or so. Until then it's more waste and the irritation of not being able to see any of my colleague's bloody faces!
It was a reply to you about whether you think masking and vaccine mandates fall in the same category as lockdowns of being on the way to being quietly forgotten.
Seeing that your answer seems to be "yes," you're far more optimistic than I am. Masking remains insane in parts of the US and elsewhere.
100% agree. Sadly there are a not insignificant percentage of people who will never go out in public again without the face diaper - public health advisory or not. Their ability to function as a normal human being has been so warped that they can't climb out of the hole they have dug for themselves.....
Agreed! Sometimes however I have to stop and check that I myself haven't become broken by the thing either. There are plenty on 'our' side who have 100% gone down the WEF/WHO/CCP controlling everything route as E has mentioned several times. I understand why: 2020-22 has been like living in a conspiracy theory.
My GP surgery has refused to see me in person unless I wear a mask. I made a complaint challenging them for their evidence and risk assessment but they ignored that request and told me they “believe” it protects the practitioners and patients. Some much for evidence based medicine
As long as they all keep wearing them it will never end. The people enforcing these foolish laws need to be defunded. But I doubt it will change much until something more threatening or ominous comes down the tracks. Maybe when the lights go out and everything comes to a screeching halt, or a collapse of our commerce, that mask might not be so important then.
If they practise such medical fascism, I'd be inclined to
a) sue them for the forced medical intervention
b) then move GP.
Re a), if you have to wear one, hand in a liability notice and ensure they know you're only doing this under duress (the legal firm Law or Fiction set up a good list of answers to questions in 2020).
I expect New Yorkers (those of whom speak English and can read the advice) tell them to shove it up their arse. If not then your greatest city might as well sink into the sea.
Agreed. I work on nhs wards and in community houses.
I saw plenty of nurses, and allied professionals of all grades not wearing masks- in the end I abandoned them and hardly anyone said anything about it.
I hope you're right. While us readers of eugyppius' column are full of bitterness, the leaders of our establishments and institutions have not yet arrived at "quiet shame".
The difference is that the Rwandan massacre (I've read some but prob not as much as you) was more like a wildfire. What happened with covid not only did not burn everything down, it strengthened elements of the state. We are left with a worse and less free and more depressed world. And yet there are people who imo don't realize that anything really happened. That is, they think we weathered a terrible pandemic thanks in great part to Fauci, and that now we will be moving back to the way things were before.
Mass lockdowns may be dead in the West for now but the health passes were normalized and accepted by many during the pandemic. They "escaped the lab" of public health response to become a tool of population control. They're in the arsenal now and will be used again to target political enemies of the bio health security state (but probably never at the same scale.) Rather, their use can be justified in certain settings, but opting out of those settings will be inconvenient enough for those comfortable with the health authorities generally (a sizeable population) to comply. Think of vaccine requirements to visit loved ones in hospital or to enter certain public gatherings "for safety." Those who comply will think "eh, what's the big deal?" and those who don't will be further scapegoated for societal problems because they're "being difficult" or "not doing their part." I think Germany was a good test case for this.
Which policy issue? Lockdowns? Mandates? Those are functionally dead right now (in the US at least). Lockdowns have lost all support in the health establishment and they are needed to provide expert cover for draconian policy. Mandates are dropping like flies in the US courts and the cat is out of the bag about vaccine safety, so I don't see it.
Right now the health authorities and pharma are trying to salvage the lucrative childhood vaccination program and can't risk any more defectors. Parents are newly organized in the US after outrages against school closures and childhood learning setbacks (and other reasons, none of which favor the ruling class).
Health passes may be more insidious. Perhaps they are as "innocuous" as requiring a recent negative test for accessing "secure" facilities, or maybe border crossing requirements. Again, the danger is a policy of inconvenience. The worst thing would be a bio-health digital wallet on phones that acts as a portal to government services, entitlements, and records. But that is the most likely outcome, imho. Once that's ubiquitous, it will be very easy for geo-fenced targeted lockdowns to be used as policy again. Witness China. For now, these forces/trends are in retreat. Two steps forward, one step back. That's the "creeping" part of creeping totalitarianism.
I agree but I also see that in vaccine passes and ways to enable mass quarantine will be part of pandemic planning (and I’m saying this as I work on the periphery of public health in a small country). Alarmingly whether they work is not discussed - the horror of the ethics violations of passes was bad enough to me but is there a shred of evidence they affected a better outcome than if they hadn’t been implemented?
I hope you are correct that we have learned our lesson James. The alternative pathway is horrifying: that we may now be conditioned towards repeated authoritarian measures.
The unfortunate fact is, many very powerful forces reaped tremendous benefits from Covid. Among their number are megalomaniacal psychopaths who couldn't care less how many people they kill to get power. They have access to like-minded billionaires able to fund their evil schemes.
Their credo is, "Never let a crisis go to waste." It's only a short step to, "If there's no crisis to take advantage of, we'll make one of our own."
Be assured, there are creative thinkers trying to dream up the next pandemic at this moment. And moneyed people ready to provide the resources they need. It's just a matter of time before history repeats itself.
One last thing- these people don't see what they're trying to do as evil. They delude themselves into thinking they're doing it to save the planet, or some other high-minded reason.
I can give past smaller-scale examples of what they've already done, but for brevity, I won't do it here.
Hopefully that is the future, but with the strong possibility of WHO's extremely ugly and tyrannical pandemic treaty becoming fact in 2023, the entire game might change overnight.
This is a bit naughty as I'm hi-jacking E's thread here:
Corona is fading as a societal concern. Last year the hot air and column inches were never-ending. Now the BBC website has stories from October on the front page of its 'Coronavirus' section as even they have little new to add. We as dissidents or even as simple troublemakers have to leave it behind at some point as well. I am as angry as you all are and bitter at what I've lost, and that which others have lost. Family and close friends whom I thought I could rely on to the bitter end turned out to be weak and turned on me. You may have experienced this too.
However I look at those who still harp on about Brexit and their tiresome Boomer complaints about Johnson and that is how we will look if we don't move on. The threat will change as I've said: it won't be disease next time but the same impulse will be there. Our society has no God and is built on sand, their chosen ideology of 'woke' is miserable and has no art, no joy, no forgiveness and will eventually fail. Whilst we should still push for the truth to come out and for those like Whitty and Fauci to be punished spend your energy on preparing for the next insanity.
Are you writing from the US? If so then I understand the situation may well be different. In Britain we have a very non-European tradition that allows more autonomy than on the Continent. As Peter Hitchens put it, everything here is permitted unless forbidden but for them everything is forbidden unless permitted. I cannot describe the roots of this with confidence but it generally means that we are left alone in much of our day-to-day affairs or at least have been.
What this meant during corona was relatively light enforcement of corona rules and a 'muddle-through' attitude. There was consistent lack of clarity and I managed to disobey and/or ignore virtually all of the rules throughout. We have the bizarre combination of CCTV panopticon but too few competent civil servants to operate it. The same in, say, Germany would quickly become a Hell on earth as their obsession with following the rules for their own sake would quickly become monstrous. Indeed it did last century for a rather interesting period.
As somebody living in Germany I agree. They have been absolutely obsessed with sticking to the rule and - much worse - making sure their neighbours also stick to the rules. At the beginning, the Bavarian police once begged the public not to call in so often to report their neighbours' transgressions because the police couldn't process any more denunciations.
This also happened in the UK sadly, the thing that finally convinced me English exceptionalism is dead. We are just as likely to be narks as the Continentals. Had Ze Germans made it across the Channel most would've obeyed.
The dominant narrative is so strong and most of us have had to push so hard against it that it's become engrained for many of us. Still, it is reactive - it's reacting to another group's narrative.
To be effective, I feel, I (I don't want to speak for you but suspect many of you feel like I do) will have to proactively develop and present narratives for myself. This is hard because I am starting out from an absolute underdog's corner, from the defensive, but it is also necessary from a psychological point of view. I need a positive vision, something to fight FOR, not only a negative vision to attack or defend against.
Maybe it would be a good idea for me - for us - to find this positive vision now in order to be in a better position when, as James Alexander says, we are hit by the next insanity?
I didn't get the memo that COVID is officially over and is no longer being used as a pretext to strip my freedoms or kill anyone, so I guess I'm not ready to start finding a "better position" for the "next insanity."
I'm usually of the mind that you want to solve existing problems before seeking out hypothetical new ones.
Your positive vision is pretty easy. Medical freedom and societal safeguards against totalitarianism. You're welcome.
I'm finding the sudden "let's move on" coming from an allegedly sympathetic party extremely interesting.
Greetings, fellow critical thinkers. What do you guys think?
It's not sudden. It's pragmatism. The brutal truth is:
- After the two greatest panics/hysterias that I know anything about (Nazism, Rwandan genocide) only some were prosecuted. These were the worst and most public and this was done to show the other criminals they were defeated and to satisfy the desire for vengeance from the victors. Most of them got away with it. Leni Riefenstahl died peacefully at a ripe old age, having been free to continue working after WW2
- Those who deserve punishment are powerful. They have too much power collectively: Sunak, Gove et al are still very much in power. The pointy-heads like Whitty have quietly slipped away to less-prominent positions but are still considered to be brave heroes who guided us etc etc. The Hancock cretin has helped by being the sacrificial lamb, making a fool of himself on television. He recently ate a cow's vagina and a camel's penis for money. Even imagining having to describe this to my grandfather or indeed anyone from his generation makes me nauseous
- Those who should be punished make up a majority of our healthcare and bureaucratic systems. Even just to dismiss them or strike them from the medical/nursing registers would cause the country to collapse overnight. There are ITU medics who forced people to say goodbye to their grandmothers *through a fucking COMPUTER*. I would love to see them punished again and again but now the NHS is falling apart. This happened in Rwanda when the Hutus were needed to work the farms otherwise there would be famine, so they were released from prison
- We are the minority. We lost. The majority humiliated us with their filthy little rules on masks, lockdowns, all of it. We are better men but they still won. The only victories for us as were as individuals. Refusing masks, vaccines, persuading others to do the same. That's it
I have no whitepills to offer other than that we managed to keep some semblance of our dignity whereas they did not. Remind them of their self-humiliation as often as you can and enjoy their embarrassed silence. It's all we'll get.
No, "moving on" doesn't mean not resisting, it means finding an angle that will a) help us to keep ourselves sane and b) sounding relevant to those who could actually be convinced to resist alongside with us. It's going to be f*g difficult anyway for the reasons James Alexander points out. In Germany, we have all been framed as right-wing extremists, and quite successfully so. Will I convince anbody if I keep harping on until 2035 about the injustice of lockdowning the unvaccinated in 2021? I don't think so.
We are currently just a vague cloud of difficult buggers on the internet. Somehow we need to go through the painful process of forming a bloc that can resist the things with which we disagree: men in frocks, corona, envirowankers, all of it. Many people share these views so we need to combine to resist the waves of future panics to come. There is no point fighting old battles.
It's not "moving on" or forgiving and forgetting - it's just not getting hung up on covid but rather broadening one's vision. At some point, going on about covid is going to sound really old to "normies", because THEY want to move on. It will be hard enough to make them see the form of state overreach that will be a problem at any specific point of time in the future.
The idea for me is to stay alert and never forget what they tried to do in the covid years, because this is doubtlessly something that will be tried again (maybe in a slightly altered form) in a further crisis - but to move my scope beyond covid.
To my mind, I am not considering "hypothetical new problems", as ypu put it, they are all part of the same problem: that states are going to become more authoritarian and controlling in the future; whether it be vaccination passports, abolishing cash, social credit systems - they will all play a role to some extent, and some form of them has already been tried out in the covid years.
I am not propagating dreaming dreams and meditating on the wonderful colours of the rainbow and reaching out to zero covid fanatics or forgiving government officials who thought it was a good idea to make life unbearble to people so they would take the vaccine. Not at all. I am looking for a way to preserve my strength and be effective in the long, long struggle ahead for individual freedom. And I think at the moment we're on the losing side because individual freedom is going to get swamped by a wave of collectivist thinking and the demand that the state fix everything. In this long struggle on the losing side I do not want to become bitter and I do want to be as effective as possible. That's all.
I'd love to share your optimism. Alas, I hate myself for being black-pilled but the very same people that embraced those corona restrictions (do you recall totally empty streets of every huge metropolis in the world) have been told to:
- hate the "Russian spy" Trump and they'd preferred the President to be a traitor over him not being a traitor, so the facts would align with ideology of hatred and madness (I dislike him is a needed disclaimer in our sick era);
- worship Dr. Mengele, Fauci, despite his decades long crime sheet (Robert Kennedy's book would, in any normal country be a ground for, at least, a serious investigation);
- vote a basement hiding, demented, evil career politician, Biden in as the Wise One;
- don the muzzles on and wish those who refused to do it to die;
- worship the "vaccine" & corporate criminals, Pfizer, also wanting those unvaxxed to die, making their lives "shit", as Emmanuel Macron and that NZ Jacinda Ardern characters publicly said more than once;
- hate Vladimir Putin as new Hitler, as automatons would, no questions asked;
- worship Volodymyr Zelensky as new Churchill, as automatons would,no questions asked;
- admire CIA & FBI liars even when they lie to the Congress, formerly a crime, the lying that is,
- hate Elon Musk and are not even ready to acknowledge his fight against child porn traffickers as something, perhaps good and valid.
And they obeyed.
The Party does not allow any disagreements with The Party Line. I am aware my list above is tedious / you all know that likely better than I do but I needed to spell it out / while well too short, but I have been truly flabbergasted seeing so many people being willingly blind. Also insane and borderline evil in their, regurgitated, righteousness.
I fear the "next corona-like restrictions" would be much worse and all those brainwashed people would act in even worse manner. Look how meekly they / all of us / observe approaching of a nuclear war with Russia and are not even alarmed. Perhaps there are muzzles for a nuclear fallout? Those stone dead faces, even with "Net Zero lunacy" as someone wrote earlier, are just hiding beneath the sheets, like Camus's rats.
“He knew what those jubilant crowds did not know but could have learned from books: that the plague bacillus never dies or disappears for good; that it can lie dormant for years and years in furniture and linen chests; that it bides its time in bedrooms, cellars, trunks, and bookshelves; and that perhaps the day would come when, for the bane and the enlightening of men, it would rouse up its rats again and send them forth to die in a happy city.”
This is 100% spot on. I wish I could say it as well as you have in the article.
Many of us had an intuitive sense that something deeply, deeply weird was happening in March 2020. Something way beyond a new kind of flu. I'm 56 and had never seen anything close to it. And yet I was never able to explain this intuitive dread to my normie friends and family.
In April 2020 it seemed that I was the only one not afraid to leave the house. In Seattle where I live the freeways were empty during rush hour. There were overhead signs imploring me to "STAY HOME!". Then the maskers came for me. And then about a year later POTUS threatened to take my job if I didn't submit to an experimental gene therapy relabeled as a "vaccine".
Thanks again for giving us a fascinating sociological explanation for this collective madness that really resonated with me.
Never caught the fear because early on I looked for information about how dangerous it really was. It was weird that no one seemed to discuss that. The weirdest thing was that people quickly went all in on the disaster scenario, as if they wanted it to be really really bad. I think some people found a kind of religious experience in their embrace of the collective fear. I’ll never forget feeling like I was living through an episode of the emperor’s new clothes. Almost every single person I knew, even my spouse, either bought in or went along to a significant degree. I’m only glad I was not young and had the psychological wherewithal to stand it.
Yeah, I would not call what I felt was fear. It was more of a “this is just wrong”. Which was ultimately replaced by anger. Guess I read too much about totalitarianism (Stalin,etc). I also have a bit of a background in health so it was and is infuriating to see the health “experts” turn their backs on their own historical research and own moral codes. My experience for what it’s worth.
Oh I felt a lot of anger. To the point where I was drinking too much. It was a strange kind of twilight zone where it just seemed so many were willing to pretend they were experiencing something like real danger. A few were genuinely scared, but most seemed willing to participate in the group ritual. It truly seemed like a mass hypnosis. I was able to move to a less intensely blue area but the spell was everywhere, even through most of 2021. Those of us who weren’t scared were still required to act as if we were. The spell finally seemed to break in 2022. That’s a long time and perhaps accounts for some lingering covidian behavior.
Hey I was never afraid of the coof. I was afraid of the mass hypnosis and the blatant violations of individual rights that governments were committing in the name of public health -- all based on obviously fake "science". I'm hoping that future historians will have exactly that perspective.
“Their embrace of the collective fear”. Beautifully put and an apt description of many responses to the sloganeering that drove lockdowns, masking and shots. I knew one woman who seemed so excited by it all. I don’t know what happened to her; she stopped speaking to me after I mocked some aspect of Covid “safety”.
Having been bamboozled at the beginning, I remember the feeling of excitement that we were actually participants in some important global point in history. And it definitely has a lot of parallels with religion, no doubt because the same parts of the brain are involved.
Had the same feeling of dread. As if I were about to overdose on my already negative perspective on human behavior. I still remember that feeling of dread physically making me nauseous the second there was the 180 degree flip flop on lockdowns and masking.
I loved the nearly empty freeways in Minneapolis-St. Paul although being on them felt dystopian. “Stay Home, Stay Safe” made me look for places to go, even though so much was closed for so long.
I'm envious of your prescience. At first I bought into the whole panic thing; probably a matter of the forest and the trees. But soon cracks started to appear, in my case the pooh-poohing of natural immunity and the increasingly blatant demonization of even previously respected alternate opinions, especially John Ioannidis of Stanford.
On the other hand, having survived a paradigm upheaval, it makes it easier to view all kinds of things more objectively.
Cases case cases! The hype was intense. Almost no mention of the fact that the virus was a nothingburger if under 60 and/or in good health. It’s understandable.
We live in the general Seattle area too and I developed a wonderful family tradition during those days, which was basically to recruit as many people in the car as possible to flip off the “stay home stay safe “ road signs as we drove happily by...
I have been very lucky in a couple of respects. First, I was allowed to work from home so I did not have to see the insanity too much. Also have a very understanding spouse. Frankly, I think my consistent exercise (intense) for the past almost 3 decades has prevented me from becoming a physical and mental wreck. I live in a deep blue island inside a red state (SC) so I could simply drive a short distance and see “normalcy”. Also, have a close friend who shares my views.
I think we (in this forum) are all lucky that new and strong voices like Eugyppius have emerged to give us a place to read, reflect, and most importantly vent to others who feel like we do. It has definitely helped me to know I am not alone. Which is very strong words coming from an introvert. Very sorry you left a place you love and hope you find a better place.
I did find a better place (SD), and it was somewhere I knew absolutely nothing about, and had never even considered. But clues were in evidence, & research confirmed.
Feel that I was guided to come here. It has a charm all it's own. Fewer people in the whole state than in King County, WA (Seattle). Lots of elbow room. As an introvert you can appreciate that, me too. Once I had made the decision, things fell into place in ways I could never have predicted. From a life inventory of experiences I would not have wanted to miss, living here ranks high on the list. Lot of Nature!!
My tuppence worth on a couple of things that spring to mind on reading here yet another excellent article:
- The lockdowns were only possible because so many folk could work from home. Even 10 years prior the digital infrastructure was lacking for wfh. Yes. lots of small businesses went under, but the big apparatus of state and large corporations happily kept on functioning, because of the digital substructure. This digitisation of the world may not be a planned, deliberate act by nefarious WEF clones, but it is a handy by-product of our civilisation which enables surveillance, control and conformity on a massive scale, and most importantly, acceded to by a willing population. (I am reminded of an album cover by the Dead Kennedys, 'Give me convenience or give me death'; or with regards to the willing population the self-cooking pig advertising its best cuts to the connoisseur in Douglas Adams's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books.)
- The digital substructure that we seem to be embracing more and more (and yes, the irony is not lost on me of me criticising this while typing away on a digital device...) will be what makes future vaccine mandates and health passes a reality. Every time I see a young person using their phone to pay in a supermarket I want to grab him/her/them by the shoulders and shake some sense into that naive head. I have only earlier today walked out of a little local bakery because they were refusing my cash payment for a sandwich. Here in the UK there is a very obvious and blatant drive by government to get every last little personal interaction onto a digital platform, and what many people are not aware of is that the UK is at the forefront of quiet, unnoticed, polite and seemingly harmless surveillance techniques, to the extent that since about the 1980s we have developed into the most surveilled country in the world. China might be more blatant, but the UK is pretty effective.
- On the biomedical level we have had a form of cultural conditioning for the last five or six decades that has, in essence, turned the western world into a population of germaphobic hypochondriacs. The proliferation of potions, lotions and absolutions for dealing with 'dirt' of all kinds is evident on the shelves of any supermarket. Not for nothing the Puritan saying that 'cleanliness is next to godliness'. It therefore did not take much effort by the pandemicists to convince the majority of the people that the novel virus, or any virus, or bacterium, or speck of dirt for that matter, is a harbinger of certain death. The obsequious hand-rubbing following the religious application of the hand sanitiser was to me a hallmark of the 'pandemic' that was a visible sign of 'we are in a crisis and we need to be afraid', on a par with masking, perhaps even more so. I still physically cringe when I see someone going through the motions.
So yes, the pandemicists were only able to thrive because their messaging fell on fertile, if not to say febrile ground.
'Here in the UK there is a very obvious and blatant drive by government to get every last little personal interaction onto a digital platform, and what many people are not aware of is that the UK is at the forefront of quiet, unnoticed, polite and seemingly harmless surveillance techniques, to the extent that since about the 1980s we have developed into the most surveilled country in the world.'
So it's not just me noticing that? I'm in the US, and a fan of the mystery genre in movies, TV, and books. Over the last few years it's really struck me that the first go-to of evidence gathering for British authorities is digital camera coverage. They often turn up a continuous video trail of the perpetrators. We have some here in the US, especially in cities of course, but it doesn't seem as pervasive.
In the 80s my favorite TV show was Max Headroom. The setting was a dystopian corporate future where literally every square foot was under constant surveillance, and was put to use (by the good guys, in this case).
Also, maybe 10 years ago I remember reading about a push in the UK to track people's cell phones via Bluetooth using Bluetooth-equipped trash cans on the street. IIRC this was shut down, but may be only publicly.
The Chicago Police did a legit investigation in that case and access to those camera videos. What I find suspicious is that when the feds get involved, or the local police have something to hide, those videos somehow vanish or are made unavailable.
I'm not saying the US doesn't have any. Just that they aren't as pervasive. It would be pretty difficult because we have such a vaster area, for one thing.
People have been afraid of the little rug rats since around the 60s, when children came to be regarded as dirty, snivelling, bug spreaders incarnate. My take on the childhood vaccination drives that really kicked off then is that it the rituals of applying various potions to rid children from being vectors of disease supplanted the older religious rituals of baptism and other initiation rites.
Having spawned and raised one offspring, I never really associated repeated URIs with wanting to see vaccinations for everything. We made jokes about our "little disease-carrying vermin". Every year when school started he would bring home a fresh crop of germs to share. Colds were annoying, but just a regular part of life.
I wish I could elevate this answer to the issue of how we were able to lock ourselves away. We had the ability to do remote working. So for some rather long period we could do many tasks that kept thing going. Of course, the essentials required some to actually go somewhere to provide the services allowing others to stay home. We could drive to the grocery store to have someone load our orders into our car. The Chinese, by tales, got welded into their homes. Some were not prepared to starve so were found, I suppose from the odor.
Meanwhile trapped in homes with only the net and the news to learn of our fate, we discover all our media had been co-opted by the Trusted News Initiative so many were unable to glean much of the truth.
And, as you note, we expect miracles from a pill. Grandma's recipe for avoiding a cold was salt water gargles. But I can use Betadine to gargle a diluted solution with a Qtip for my nose. And my pill is Vitamin D. None of that was told to the public.
I noticed the pattern in the 2000's. Every few years I would read about the pending "doom" pandemic that might just come next year. Then the movies -- and there are a lot more than the ones you listed. In the 2010's, I first played the boardgame "pandemic". It had brilliant coop game mechanics, but as soon as I played it, I was immediately struck that it was plain pharma propaganda. How they pulled that off, I don't know, but it is still one of the most popular board games, and perpetuates the myth that a global die off from a respiratory disease is inevitable and that the only defense is a vaccine.
I believe this played into the psyche of the majority of people.
I honestly don't know. You should take a look at the game and decide for yourself. I am not sure how they would plan to have a record selling game. If it wasn't for the propaganda, it really is a good game.
Politicians and bureaucrats are not much interested in solving problems. Why work your way out of a job? US bureaucracies can be adept at creating demand to justify budgets (especially when society is not cooperating in providing said demand). See DHS, FBI, DoD for starters. I am a broken record here but a bureaucracy’s number one priority is more bureaucracy. The amount of dumbassery (should be a word) never ceases to amaze. As always, the bad actors will take full advantage of the bureaucracy to suit personal agendas.
I work in a suffocating bureaucracy (power utility). Amazing I have not gone to an early grave. Spend all my time correcting other people’s mistakes. The non-thinking herd mentality has been especially thick since 2020. I am in a perpetual Walking Dead episode.
Dentist, retired early. Hated the politics against the wisely unjabbed.
I do hate also to get serious at some social gathering( yes we have these again) when some fool yaps about treatment cost or whatever, unwise to my silence and profession. Ive made a fun habit of dancing with their brains. I was well-raised in principle, so any suggestion that i profit from giving out sweets ( without knowing anything in fact) disturbs because it indicates just how uninformed and idiotic people can be. No, such “profit” does not exist. Disease is a scourge and is brought on to ourselves. Sadly. I am no longer silent about this any more than i am about the plandemic’s evil. I cannot have cognitive dissonance and claim moral ground unless i engage in it and uphold my Hippocratic Oath.
I suppose its forgiveable ( due to their naivete) but it is actually an accusation we could better aim at the fakevax profiteers. I do not generally feel very forgiving of their evil, and pray for justice preferably in this world if not only the next.
"where the hot new social media platform is called ZapQ and the big antivaxx disinformationist is a “science blogger” named EpiGirl and public health officials recruit a “hip hop icon” named BZee"
I honestly thought you were being lazy today and didn't bother coming up with some creative names.
Then I went to page 25.
Holy shit this is real.
That's probably how I will answer people who argue these people are masterminds. I will just slide them page 25 and walk away.
"The truth is way more depressing. They're not even smart enough to be as evil as you're giving them credit for." - Don't Look Up
That assumes, wrongly perhaps, that the players in these exercises are more than simply players playing a role. Not realizing that there are Dungeon Masters beyond them, rolling the dice and dictating the actions and outcomes after observing the game play.
Very very good perspective adjusting piece. However the evolution of fear pumping for control has gone to a new stage. It is now more than just fund raising and keeping one’s job and livelihood intact.
Agree. More Censorship, reality distortion, hate (thought) speech , and continuing panic/fear economy can't only be down to weak incompetent beaurocrats.
I've been wary to not get drawn into mad conspiracies. But as of now, there are far far too many things not adding up for it to be a series of unfortunate decisions made by public officials.
Both are to some extent true. Look, ive hugged my share of trees and still do. But caring about planetary beauty does not entitle me to blow up energy infrsstructure etc. besides, we are one volcanic eruption away from a long dark deadly winter. CO2 pours out of ground cracks. We are not primary drivers of any climate change that may or may not occur. Partly fearporn hoax, definitely an idea the evil canal latches onto. We were all supposed to die by now. Thats what club of rome data showed me in biology 020 at Western u in 1980. And here we are. Eating, until manmade starvation is created by removing farms from production. It us criminal activity by power grabbing . Evil governments especially mine. Canada is no more, i hate to say it.
It didn't forecast collapse until maybe the 2nd quarter of the 21st.C.
The authors stated that the right actions taken then, i.e. 1970s, could avoid collapse. A lot of action *was* taken in the 1970s and oil consumption fell.
But from the 1980s onwards, at least, LtG was mostly ignored. Prof. Dennis Meadows seems incredulous that so little was done.
I feel like when Outbreak is mentioned (which is based on Richard Preston's Hot Zone), you have to mention Crichton's The Andromeda Strain - 1969. Then we should dig up the thinly documented histories of suspected and confirmed lab escapes.
Re Andromeda Strain. Ah, those were innocent days. Like War of the Worlds before it, the pathogen ends up evolving itself into into a benign form, no longer a danger to (non-rubber) lifeforms.
War of the Worlds was disappointingly anticlimactic; Andromeda Strain was setting us up for the sequel.
But how does this fit with Bill Gates having supposedly bought 50 million shares of BioNtech back in September 2019, which I read were valued recently at $550 million now? Did he just have a good hunch?
yeah...not sure I buy that. Some of my research suggests that they knew this was coming. Just looking at Moderna's inception and who founded it and what kinds of research they were doing makes the whole affair suspect. Either that or the amazing number of coincidences like the excess death rates are a 6 sigma event. Funny how in 2017 Moderna had turned away from its research into using the mRNA technology to solve rare diseases and began focusing in earnest on vaccine development. Even a former executive scratched his head at this move since vaccines are loss leaders in the industry. Interestingly, Moderna mentioned by name a few vaccines in their pipeline for development but refused to identify or name one mystery vaccine. Things that make you go hmmmm. Oh and then there is the arrest of Charles Lieber and what he was working on. And he was working with Langer of MIT (who just happens to have been one of the original founders of Moderna). And how about the guy who funded Moderna's inception in 2010 (same year that Lieber discovered he could use nano wires to monitor human cell activity). Noubar Afayen was the guy who funded Moderna. Turns out he was also the chair of the WEF Global Council on Emerging Technologies in 2014. Even issued a report for the WEF that year identifying the top 10 emerging technologies at that time (mind you that was nearly a decade ago). Listed among the top 10 emerging technologies was a.) brain/computer interface and b.) RNA technology. Did you know that Charles Lieber was working in a joint nano lab in China (a Harvard/China endeavor) between 2010 and 2014. That partnership of sorts seems to have dissolved in 2014. Lieber and his Chinese cohorts had discovered how to get the nano wires into human cells without destroying the human cells by using lipid nanoparticles. Guess what Charles Lieber was working on at the time of his arrest in 2019? Yup....injectables. That is, how to inject these nanowires into a person and have them enter human cells. Did I already mention that after his 2014 research success he and Langer started working together. Do you know Langer's areas of specialty? What if, Lieber's arrest and subsequent conviction is cover for the fact that he was removed from public view and his technology and research was used in some of the vaccines? Or is that too far-fetched. Might explain why some have reported seeing strange self-assembling particles in some of the vaccines. And we know at this point that not all the formulations of the vaccine were the same. That has been evidenced by the fact that 95% of the adverse reactions reported are in only 5% of the lots. Riddle me that. Oh, I have lots more coincidences that involve Mr. Gates and his proxies placed globally through his predatory philanthropy and his connections, influence and $$$$.
But hey, I'm just a conspiracy theorist who has been tracking closely one of Gates' proxies in my state. And I live in a rural state that is a cheap date for those who want to buy influence. And my state is also the one that the 9/11 terrorist entered the US through our shared border with Canada. To say that we are an unsuspecting populace that for the most part embraces a simple lifestyle would be an understatement. I see evidence that the plan and agenda unfolding has likely been the subject of boardroom discussions for some time. And Gates figures prominently in making it all happen and unfold.
Oh....and I forgot to mention that Gates and Warren Buffet coincidentally went to China for their inaugural trip to meet up with the ultra rich of that nation (turns out China is one of the top countries globally with ultra-rich) to discuss philanthropy opportunities. For the sole purpose of enriching mankind, of course. (insert eye role).
Then there are the very interesting connection to Gates by way of Epstein. Connections that lead to the AMA and World Bank. Look up the doc married to a former high up Microsoft executive that is said to be responsible for having introduced Epstein and Gates. Look at her ties to Epstein and also her resume of connections. Oh what tangled webs they weave.
Now that Mr 'lockdown' and 'mr covid origin coverup' Farrar has been made Chief Scientist at the WHO, I wonder how long before lockdowns are on the cards again.
These events do seem to harken self-fulfilling prophesies- Event 201 was Sars CoV 2, the monkey pox meeting and now Bill Gates organized the newest one, predicting an enterovirus pandemic affecting mostly the young in 2025. I agree that these meetings are groupings of power hungry bureaucrats who seek even more self-importance. My basic fear is who is lurking around them or behind them. We have idiots shooting at substations here in the US, these are probably lefty crackpots who want to destabilize our fossil fuel power, a bit like the Stop oil imbeciles. Likewise, self important assholes end up selling military secrets to foreign countries to “burn’ the Trump administration, etc. They are rogue but very dangerous and frequently this perfect blend again of stupid with arrogance (like Fauci). So now we enter the labs who could have rogue actors. How was omicron released and will this ever be addressed? Will some yahoo who believes in the Gates cult be tempted to release an enterovirus in 2025 to make his prediction come true?
Monkeypox, which doesn't kill anyone and primarily infects extremely promiscuous gay men who already have many infections, could've easily gone unnoticed. I think what really happened with the Gates wargame, is that it coincided with (or even reinforced) a rise of interest in and testing for this old virus in public health circles, and lo and behold – they found it. It had surely been circulating unnoticed for a long time already.
That’s an interesting observation, because I also think Gates knew that Sars CoV 2 had escaped earlier and was hoping to monetize that virus as well (and capture more respect and importance in his foray into vaccines and vaccination- he really sees himself as some sort of Jesus-like figure- which is incredibly manic and dangerous).
I think it's a completely reasonable theory that a select population was aware of COVID at least 6 months before March 2020, with all the "insider trading" opportunities that implies.
yes, I think it was known, at the very least, that some kind of SARS-related virus was circulating in select areas of China for a while before January 2020
But “all the insider trading“ cuts a very wide path--including knowledge and deliberate messaging by at least some of the event 201 participants who wanted to undermine Trump as well. Some of the “future misinformation“ messaging still was pretty radical by US constitutional standards. Yes, the CIA rep was quick to suggest that the plan would be to flood the zone rather than to censor…. but anyone who has been at these international conferences knows that whatever is actually recorded is just the tip of iceberg – – in fact often it’s deliberately milder than the conversations in the corridors. 
I believe I read in one of the sub stacks that the vast majority of deaths were in severely immunocompromised individuals with advanced aids. But i can’t remember where- maybe Igor Chudov.
This is all well and good. But. There is a parallel effort that you did not describe. At the same time as these clownish buffoons are war-gaming a pandemic -- people like Ralph Baric and thousands of others are engaged in gain of function research to create real versions of the fictional viruses being discussed. And then in 2019, one (or more than one) of those real gain of function viruses got out. And THEN all of the people who had been psychologically primed by participating in the dumb war games actually did in the real world, the things that they had practiced to do.
Justice Ginsberg made it clear that Abortion was NEVER about woman’s rights, it was all about reducing the population of minorities that Gates’ father championed Planned Parenthood and stuck his clinics in minority areas. In the same way, the Plandemic was never about public health but about furthering the GreatReset agenda which ultimately aims to do away with representative DEMOCRACY as "obsolete". We've done a great job proving to elites that we are indeed, for the most part, sheeple who are too dumb to think for ourselves or to figure out what's best for us. Despite the tactical retreat, "those that matter" are still full steam ahead towards a global, social-credit score and government digital currency controlled where "you'll own nothing and be happy about it" because they'll own everything, and you'll be too medicated and too "bio-enhanced" to know or care anymore.
These same people want to "fix you" with an mRNA " vaccine" while promoting population reduction. Are we stupid?
While I agree the pandemiscists are very stupid and also very opportunistic, I still cant get around the idea that this wasn't nefariously preplanned.
-The funding of the WHO by Bill gates
- The Wuhan lab leak
-The clear collusion between Gates and Fauci
-Gain of function research by Fauci-confirmed by whistleblowers
-The WEF and their prophetic statements
-Green/UN 2030 agendas
-The great replacement happening in the West via mass immigration
-Increased surveillance technology infrastructure being put in place as quickly as possible ex)smart cities
-Wokeness
-etc
Theres just too many coincidences. For the sake of argument ,lets just say corona was an accident/natural, they certainly used it to maximize gains on the tyrannical front and now they've seen firsthand how such an event can accelerate the implementation of desired policies so what is there to stop them from doing so again but this time intentionally?
Correct listing! But I am nearly sure: It WAS already intentionally! After having failed with mass-vaccinations after swine-flu it was the intended exercise how to scare the masses and let them take the jabs. And it is going on.
maybe it's because we are all trying to make sense of something that is not really coherent or planned. Yes, it's awful, yes people behaved badly, want power, some are clever, some are cunning and only think of themselves. But is this anything new?
Some of those may just arise out of culture or happenstance but the clincher is that what we saw out of Wuhan was propaganda. There were people dropping dead in the streets from a respiratory virus which happened no where else in the world and then the trucks and men walking up and down spraying everything. Also my understanding is that the make-shift hospitals built in ten days was also propaganda.
Even the lab leak rests on the idea that a "dangerous" virus leaked out of the Wuhan lab but if the events that pointed to a dangerous virus in Wuhan was just propaganda then there is no reason to assume any lab leak. In fact, a recent paper found evidence of SARS-Cov2 in early September in Italy yet there were no excess deaths at that time. The excess deaths only happened once a pandemic was declared and that was declared because of the events in Wuhan.
I'm going to go out on a limb here: corona-like restrictions will not happen again for a very long time. They are/were a unique product of: the death of civic life and religion, mass communication via the internet, the slow decline of democracy in favour of authoritarianism and finally decadence causing fear and sloth.
They are at heart a panic, sheer panic, much like the dancing madness and various other lunacies. I'm reading about the Rwandan massacre at the moment and these hysterias sweep through populations and seem to be as solid as gravity. The moment passes and all that is left is quiet shame and bitterness.
I really agree. I'm more concerned about the vaccinators and vaccine passes, but everyone knows (and won't say out loud) that lockdowns were huge, huge mistake.
Every time I mention them it kills the conversation, *any* conversation, stone dead.
I haven't experienced silence. The response I hear is, "But I know people who DIED!" to justify or excuse lockdowns,, mask requirements,, social distancing, etc.
Yes, people died, but there's no evidence that locking down the country saved any lives.
And that devolves into accusations of being insensitive to death.
That's my brother's line. "I had a friend who DIED!" Yes, brother dearest, so the lockdown didn't help your friend, did it?"
Did the shots kill that friend? So brother you may be next .Not that I wish it happens to you !
I wondered that myself, but I don't know whether his death happened before or after the clotshot rollout.
yes. agree.
Stone silence
I am trying to work on composing a question that would require some sort of response.
It is a crushing pity that we see such a visceral response as it is.
Hubbs and I are not allowed to talk about it with any of our kids.
My daddy is 99 and fully shotted, but I do not engage with oldsters. they somehow got pulled in. What a tragic mind set for the later years of your life. To live among such stupidity
They lived in an era when they trusted governments and doctors far more than we do
Governments are never to be trusted and the collective WE seems to always have to learn the hard way (AGAIN!)." Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it"....as for trusting doctors, our present culture and Academia have been contaminated on purpose. Technocracy & technology, as embraced in such large numbers, is a major destroyer of intimacy & trust. Prior to this century it wasn't nearly so bad in person to person relationships. The "values" of the more recent generations have been captured and corrupted. Sad to see. Most under 40 don't know what they are missing.
I personally had very bad experiences with doctors and hospitals .The hospital is the most dangerous place one can enter ,especially if you go there with anything flu like . My brother did just that and was dead six days later . I,m well informed so they can't get me to commit suicide per treatment protocol in there, if I get a flu .Sure we all will die some day ,we are not immortal ,but I want it natural and not getting boosted to eternity .
Seems to go with the college-for-everybody mistake WE have made.
Very true
Yep
ask who told them it was safe & effective and why?
When the self appointed masters tell us to do something ,always do the opposite and you are mostly on the right track . There is almost nothing they demand we do ,that is to our benefit .
What's so astonishing is that there is still so much trust or at least so little criticism. Why should I trust the people who are responsible for 2g and lockdown for the unvaccinated to get the fight against climate change right, or gender self ID laws? They have shown themselves to be terribly fallible, even more than expected. And yet, apparently people still trust them.
Net zero virus ,net zero carbon ,net zero common sense ,net zero life . The play book of criminals ,the authorities our enemies .
Ironically it might be the lock downs and their blow back that save us from the vaccinators and their vaccine passes.
That may be the acknowledged excuse, but the unmentionable driver will be wave of suddenly and unexpectedly.
I'm simply not convinced there is going to be some mass die off as a result of these dirty vaccines. These things aren't time bombs. They are actively killing the people who will die from them as we speak.
I am not predicting a mass die off mainly because the vast majority decided to stop taking boosters. But I do expect MCM's weekly "in memory of" column to continue growing.
The vaxxed victims have calamari growing in their blood vessels . It does get pulled out by undertakers ,but you must be dead first .The rest of the vaxxies must wait a while longer for the calamari to mature .Your turn will come .
Hopefully! All the more reason to remind people that the reason for lockdowns was to get everyone vaccinated. Once they got their vax targets they lifted the lockdowns. But not everyone cottoned on to the police state tactics.
The vaccine mandates are upon us. Yale University has just mandated bivalent “boosters” into the bodies of the students; this was required of them before they could - and in order that they might — return to campus after Winter break.
These bivalent "boosters" were not tested on a single human, only on 8 mice, with those tests solely to determine the reaction by their immune systems, not for any short term side effects, not for any actual immunity, and certainly not for any long term side effects as the test subjects were promptly euthanized.
Right, this isn't great, but its not an OSHA mandate.
People who choose compliance and indoctrination over their own well being to attend Uni are making a choice.
The cost to get into the club has gone up.
How so? We had both.
[but everyone knows (and won't say out loud) that lockdowns were huge, huge mistake.]
Everyone? This "everyone" is the smallest group I've ever seen.
Nowadays, it seems nobody ever concedes on any point, and to admit a single mistake seems to prevent people from saving face.
Unless this somehow morphs into an "I never liked disco!" conversation, I seriously doubt there will ever be a durable consensus on this topic.
I guess I'm part of the minority, with you. I agree that no one--no one--has admitted any mistakes were made in the Covid response. I think the response was a trial run for what govt will do the next time (only better!).
When our host wondrously comments about "public health risk communicators," as if an amorphous collective, these are the people effectuating panic porn. And panic porn was a main effort to induce fear in the public to gain compliance with all the hoop-threading and hurdle-jumping mandates.
And for people who submitted to the jab, how can they ever concede it as a mistake, as there's no do-over for them--it's permanent.
Some public health communicators were silenced and professionally discredited. The Great Barrington Doctors are finally seeing some relief.
We should never forget these brave people who went out on limb.
I have a secret list of heroes of the covid years, and the GBD people are firmly on it. They say they didn't expect the backlash they got, but still, they didn't cave, they didn't apoplogize and mend their ways, they kept defending their position - and they were proven right.
We should our lists of heroes.
Someday, we'll need a monument to them. (Assuming idiots don't throw tomato soup on them)
Yes, there is immense cognitive resistance to ever ever facing the terrible error in judgment/coercion to "go along to get along" and get the jab just like Elton John recommended on the telly.
We understand this better by example:
Imagine your spouse was driving a nice new car, maybe it cost you a cool $90,000 (not so unusual anymore, for folks who want a new, top line car or truck . . . 2022 GMC Sierra 1500 for example) and totaled it. And let's assume that it's pretty clear it was the driver's fault (say there was some beer and a tree . . . or a ditch . . . or a failure to account for black ice . . .)
Obviously he'd feel pretty awful about it. For a while. But in order to continue functioning, he would pretty soon JUST STOP THINKING ABOUT IT.
It would pass into faded memory, along with some story or other at least slightly exonerating him. He would ignore the higher insurance bills, and probably look away fairly quickly if he saw the same make and model on the road.
It's what we do when we make a bad choice, a poor risk analysis, a serious mistake. We try to move beyond it, but there's a danger in moving beyond it if we don't face the reality of how & why it happened: it, or something like it, is very likely to happen again.
It's painful, but necessary, to overcome our own resistance and face what really happened.
But 99% of the hoi polloi will never face the grim reality that they have gambled their actual health & longevity for the vaporware "benefit" of a novel injectable.
Our system is corrupt as those in govt and public health and healthcare (and media) 'responsible' for the decisions regarding the Covid response face no penalties for getting it wrong. A system without a corrective feedback loop will never improve the decision-making process. Actions without consequences amount to tyranny and anarchy.
The driver who wrecked their $90,000 truck pays for it (one way or another) in the end--because there are consequences that matter.
[A system without a
corrective feedback loop will never improve the decision-making process.]
Far as I can tell, quality of decisions is measured differently by the powers that be.
I agree. The foundation of science is the ability to look at the data with steely eyed honesty and admit failure. The current response is evidence of corruption, similar to Gallileo’s time. Except now the government and billionaire funds (as primary benefactors) have replaced the Catholic church.
We must remember ,shots are meant to kill ,not make us healthy .A woman next door with a cancer in remission for three years died last month . Coming and going they wore masks and no doubt had the maximum of shots .My wife knew her well ,she and her husband where big believers in big pharma .Did her believe kill her ?
Someone please tell China.
The vaccines are time bombs, ticking in the veins and arteries of those who rolled up their sleeves.
We'll know in about 10 years when the small children whose parents vaxed their kids begin displaying god-knows-what illnesses.
Right, to say they are uniquivacally not time bombs, as claimed above, is hopeful thinking. Sure, let's all hope. The mRNA didn't work, but it does stay in the body of those not lucky enough to have lower-temp-derived unstableness of it, seem to have it for life (or death), so who knows at this point. The Germany excess sudden death rate shows it being fairly stable at 250% above norm going on half a year now. Those countries and individuals that go in 3-5X with boosters means a lot of death is ahead. Even in the US, 25% getting the 4x or 5x booster is a lot of people.
There may be free calamari for everyone soon .It is growing and harvest time is not far away .
The lockdowns weren't a mistake. They were a test to see how far they could push the public. They were also a tool to cause economic failure, particularly in the area of small business. Because Walmarts and chain grocery stores were still open. Small individually owned stores and restaurants were forced to shutdown. Amazon made out like a bandit, because everyone was told to stay home. People didn't even know what was still open.
There was also the push for the vaccine passports during that time, because they needed the apparent "emergency" to validate the concern. But nobody was worried about passports to get into Walmarts or chain grocery stores. Hmm...
None of this was on accident, that's why there's nothing for the bureaucrats to "learn." They aren't interested in learning, they are interested in how much CONTROL they can gain by scaring the hell out of people.
Canceling people, and censorship started to play a larger roll once people started to question the validity of the decisions being made. People started to ask questions, and realize that there were holes in the logic that was being applied, but that's not allowed.
It didn't work with my family's small business. My brother declared it "ESSENTIAL" and posted a sign to that effect. "THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS."
No mask requirement; no social distancing requirement.
Business was not robust, but the store remained open.
Good! People who pushed back did much better. But many didn't. They were truly scared.
Leana Wen said, "Look the science has changed since the start of this..."
No, because the "all cause" death rate, arguably never changed during the height of covid!
They expect you to believe that around 162,000 a year die from Flu related illness, but 900,000 died from COVID, which has nearly the same survivability rate? That would mean (5) times more people died from COVID.
There are only two possibilities. The CDC numbers for Flu related illness deaths are completely wrong, or the COVID death numbers are completely wrong. We know that the COVID numbers were fake, because they listed deaths as COVID related if someone tested positive (from a faulty PCR test) within 28 days of dying, regardless of the true cause of death.
The whole thing has been mishandled and misrepresented from the start. I trust "public health" about as much as a fart during the Flu.
It was all done to scare people, not "save lives." Because saving lives would have involved diagnosing people with the Flu, which didn't disappear that year, and is definitely treatable.
The most infuriating to me is the lack of any independent thought. The most egregious was the "stay inside" rules. I live within 1/2 mile of a New England bay. Fresh salt air is glorious in the summer. But people here STAYED INSIDE on 4th of July. THAT is the precise moment when I decided this is all bullshit. There is NO WAY that fresh air & sunshine in the summer can be harmful.
No one else would push back on the fear porn. This is the extent of the stupidity.
I no longer say, "People were afraid."
No. PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
You're absolutely right. Being outside is the safest place to be when something might be airborne. Hell, that's where you can spray-paint safely!
I live in Florida, and they were saying the same thing about Spring Break. It was a "Super Spreader Event." But afterwards, nothing happened. It was all a lie. At least the college kids didn't buy into it. Or, perhaps the lure of wild beautiful women and drinking was just too strong. Go party with women on the beach, and risk the Flu, or stay home. It's a no-brainer. LOL
I'm afraid that people are stupid.
Even though some part of the G20/WHO/WEF crowd would just love to have these health passes again, wasn't the main sell with the vaccine passes that they were a condition for a "safe" reopening and giving the majority a reward for being such good guys and gals? So without a harsh lockdown, it would be pretty hard to introduce these passes again, unless you have the vaccine pretty much prepared directly around the first outbreak (Bill Gates' wet dream I assume). Also, people will likely be suspicious about any claims about herd immunity via vaccines in a future pandemic, as they failed so miserably to do that this time.
Also they can NEVER play the 'of course there won't be mandates or travel passes card' again. That horse is out of the barn
Yes but the possibility would be that they will lock down but have vaccines much quicker (I think Gates recently said that was the biggest mistake with the response even though he acknowledges that these vaccines weren't good at stoppiing transmission).
So could there be a lockdown with vaccines ready to go by 6 months? The passports are already in place and could just be brought back again.
Yes I think he said they could ultimately have vaccines in 100 days or so, so that could be the risk. It's hard to see how plausible this is though.
There's also the economic aspect of it. It's much harder to lockdown with high interest rates (no free money) and in the midst of a recession (any restrictions on businesses would be political suicide), so the next pandemic would need a return to ulta-low interest rates. Remember, in the beginning of the pandemic, leftists usually talk about the "economy", like it's something we can easily do away with, but no one talks like that anymore. The WEF crowd is also dependent on the continuation of the easy money for their climate- and pandemic-related wealth transfers, and if the Fed continues their interest rate hikes, it would be much more difficult for Klaus Schwab to get his wild ideas through.
Could be but if they can convince people it's only for 4 months - look 100 days - well, at this point nothing would surprise me. Then they use vaccine passports as an incentive because otherwise you're stuck in lockdowns. Note that at the recent conference in Manila one leader said that the entire economy doesn't need to be shut down and that vaccine passports would be vetted by the WHO for travel. People took it to mean that without the passport one won't be able to travel but the words could have been just as applicable to a situation in which the vaccinated can move freely around and the unvaccinated are locked down.
Agree, nothing would surprise me either. I have no doubt they're dying to restrict our lives again - I'm not really sure there's enough bureaucratic momentum to do it through lockdowns and vaccine passports again. It would likely be some new black swan event. Actually, laws don't matter anymore, the WHO can have its pandemic treaty all they want - if there's not enough energy to follow the most fanatic pandemicists, it's pointless. I'm not saying I'm ruling out invasive health restrictions forever, but even to convince the mindless plebs you need to have some of rationale behind it. I think it's more likely you have a slow creep of small regulations here and there, because it's easier for the bureaucrats to get away with. I think what happened with Covid was that the elites got too eager to take advantage of the "small window of opportunity" but that also revealed their hand and now we're know what they are up to. Before that, they could just work in the dark and I think they're much comfortable doing that tbh.
I’m finding that people just aren’t talking about it much anymore. My in-laws, who were proponents of the vaccines and lockdowns, brought up something about vaccines and how everyone has had it by now. The whole room just went silent. No one wanted to take the bait or discuss anything about it. I feel the same way to a certain extent. I was never a proponent of lockdowns and didn’t get the vaccine. I’m angry, but I’m really just sick of the whole thing. I want justice, and until I see that I’m just tired of discussing it. I’ve had family members ex-communicate us and many friends just quietly drop off the radar when they knew my vaccine status.
My oldest friend is deeply progressive and was a huge proponent of all things corona. She’s a fan of nearly every bad idea that comes from progressivism, including all the current fads that celebrate “diversity” and all the crap that is coming out in the schools. I can hardly talk to her anymore - not because we have verbal disagreements, but it’s like I’ve seen her with her clothes off and I’m totally embarrassed *for* her. Like wow, your side has really devolved into clown world, right?
That's kind of what happened to me when Trump was elected. There were people that I knew who said some of the most ridiculous stuff on Facebook. That's why I got off of it. Too many people were completely nuts!
This girl I went to high school with said, "I'm worried that rapes are going to start increasing now that Trump was elected." Uhh, why? I told her, "You know that all of the people you knew the day before, are still the same people..." How in the world would you be scared of rape -- because of who is elected president? During the Clinton years she wasn't worried.
I'm like you to an extent. Everything has become so strange these days that we're all just along for the ride to some extent.
Indeed, no sane person today denies that lockdowns did far more harm than good. And except for a tiny perpetual lunatic fringe like the Billy Meier UFO cult, even the most rabid Branch Covidian zealots (including in China of all places finally!) have quietly dropped lockdowns from their platform. (Hopefully)
Have you seen what insurance companies new exclusion clauses look like? Wish I could post the picture from All State directly to your comments section but it can be found here.
https://bellerian1.substack.com/p/criminal-genetic-modification-exclusions
I'd like the lawyers to weigh in on this.
But NOTHING surprises me.
Plus the MP for Devizes, whose name I forget.
At least two backbench MPs (one Lab, one Tory) certainly didn't take the injection. I think they want medical privacy. This is quite right. It's absurd being asked to dlsclose your medical records in public against your will.
James, I agree. A lot of people were frightened into believing the lockdown response, so NIH, WHO, etc., were given a pass, but the wreck that got left behind has destroyed their legitimacy so much that only a small slice of true believers will put up with that again. Of course, there's billions to be made still, and Pharma at alia will continue the grift as long as they can -- which is why we're now getting CDC alarms over the "triple threat" of RSV, flu, and COVID-19.
I think the Pope, the King and the Prime Minister could all tell everyone to stay indoors tomorrow and they'd get two fingers. The undercurrent of panic simply isn't there.
The real problem is that lacking a sincere moral and spiritual foundation (God) our society lacks even the most basic stability. There have been endless crises recently, 'Me Too', the Floyd criminal's death, the envirowankers complaining about hot summers: in some ways we were primed for a nervous breakdown.
I agree! People were very excited to be lockdowned and masked and dicing with death in the supermarket. Real killer pandemics don't involve the middle classes making banana bread or tweeting about how difficult it was to get an Ocado delivery slot. These people swing from one invented crisis to another. The children of these people are currently having nervous breakdowns over the impending End of the World (whilst still managing to fly off on exotic holidays in between throwing beans at art works). Everyone's a Victim aren't they? But they have mostly moved on from Covid (been there, done that, been jabbed, got unexpected health problems now) so they won't fall for the lockdown stuff again. But they will fall for some other tosh because they want to!
“ ...oh, you poor, poor thing. Suffering as you are. You have my undying sympathy, and someday, should you physically survive this, and you likely will, you may learn from it. Alternatively you could persist in denying that your grief, blaming, virtue signalling behaviour and politically correct but unprincipled, immoral and galactically misguided disposition is what got you into this wretched state. It is your choice. Either way, My dear Mr. Fauci, please do yourself and all of us a small but lovely favour. Get back on your knees, say your prayers ( to God, not government this time) and beg forgiveness. For which you may receive what mercy He may deem fit. “
Personally I would steer clear as God's mercy is doled out to Fauci.
Yes, i am fearful of few things but lightning bolts and thunder are cringeworthy! Not to mention he may be a needle-riddled voodoo doll for his equally guilty puppet masters in Davos. Ouch!
Little does Fauci know, when he finally reaches those pearly gates, he will promptly be forced to take the elevator DOWN....
Indeed, if it was a real plague, no one would have to tell anybody twice. And the powers that be would be urging everyone to "keep calm and carry on", not manufacturing fear.
LOL. Sad but very true
Hope you don't mind, Stuffysays, but I'm gonna share your comment on a different (friendly) platform.
This Emma Goldman quote comes to mind: "That is just it, the majority cannot reason; it has no judgment. Lacking utterly in originality and moral courage, the majority has always placed its destiny in the hands of others. Incapable of standing responsibilities, it has followed its leaders even unto destruction."
The majority has never been able to think for themselves, it was just easier to know who and what the authority and the moral code were before. Now the morality is subjective and dependent on the latest hysteria on social media.
And the other prob is its just a small minority have the inductive skills necessary to see consequences, especially those unitended*
Spot on!
"The Science" is the be religion, with pandemicists as High Priest class.
What's amusing is how many people seem to think that scientists don't behave like humans: riddled with faults and moral weakness.
Envirowankers 💜
Indeed. Two fingers in the UK, and one finger in the USA.
I couldn’t recall the original comment you were replying to. Had to figure out if this was referring to the Earth as a bowling ball or what. 🤡🌍👀 It’s early …
In the UK the traditional rude sign is two fingers in a 'V' aimed at the recipient. It's the reverse of that weird 'peace' thing Asian women do. Unfortunately now being replaced amongst young Britons by the American single finger.
Yes, I know :) My late spouse was English.
By 'the King' I presume you mean Charles? My rule-of-thumb would be to take the contrary view on anything that guy opines on; he's a moron.
With the passage of time, we could see Covid was a tempest in a teapot. Some took longer the see that than others.
The people that want to make the next one happen will unleash a truly deadly pathogen. Think bubonic plague, which killed a third to a half of the population in the mid-1300's. While you might think the rats, fleas, and other vectors that drove that pandemic don't exist like they did then, there are some very smart people thinking up new ways to overcome the obstacles.
They have plenty of raw material to work with- smallpox, ebola, hemorragic fever, and others.
Doubt it. As if they would want to put themselves and their own family in jeopardy. This was always the problem with the "dangerous lab-leak" theory. Unless those in charge had a sure-fire cure, there was no way they were going to allow for experiments that would put themselves at risk. Lab leak theory seems as likely as wet market theory. Also now there is evidence that SARS-Cov2 was around far before the lockdowns in China. In fact, the lockdowns in China seemed to be theater itself with people falling down dead from a respiratory virus - something that has never happened before from any respiratory virus and hasn't happened with covid anywhere except Wuhan.
They're not going to let concerns about their families stop them.
You think the police defunders give a thought that their mom or BIL might get pushed on the train tracks just for the fun of it by a violent thug released for the dozenth time?
You think Bill Gates, George Soros, and the rest of them don't have luxury bug-out locations set up?
As far as the lab leak, I never thought it was deliberate. Fauci and his fellow clowns knew on a surface level an accidental release is possible. That's completely different from conscientiously taking the steps to ensure it doesn't happen. Daszak was required to confirm the WIV was taking the proper steps to confine the virus. He was asked in an interview if he did that. He said he did. "How did you do that?" he was asked. "We asked them." he answered. Hello? A pro would have requested to see the paperwork demonstrating they were prepared. And taken at least minimal steps to confirm it wasn't pencil-whipped.
A lot of people cannot let themselves believe the government would not only promote a vax that wasn't effective and was dangerous, but force the public to take it. Many still can't.
Take the red pill.
I would like to believe this but most people seem only too ready to comply.
I’m in Boston, the city that seems to grown public health authorities like a cancer that metastasizes into the rest of the world. I see no indication that the public health authorities have gone into hiding. They just seem to be waiting for their next big push. Money is still pouring in.
I know several people in medical-adjacent fields up there and yes, you are 100% correct. There's an odd proportion of New Englander's who have a bit too much trust in large, state-managed institutions.
"Things" are unraveling in Florida. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/c-and-c-breaking-news-update-tuesday?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
If the NWO plan is real, we will see a hurricane hit Florida like never before.
The behavior we've witnessed is driven by the desire of megalomaniacs in positions of power to control through fear. If hysteria regarding pandemics fails to promote their power they will push another manipulative narrative (e.g. climate change). We must understand megalomania is a mental disorder. Those suffering from the affliction are driven by motives foreign to the great majority, meaning mentally healthy people. Consistent with the lack of empathy symptomatic of megalomania their rhetoric and actions are self serving and all too often malevolent.
The new pandemic will be nothing new. It’s what we call evil. A pandemic of power-and-wealth -based corruption due to lack of self-knowledge as humans, who are, all of us, quite corruptible unless we guard most vehemently against it. It has raged for many centuries and will end only end when we humans truly get our principled act together. A war to end all wars. In the form of increasing battles against the forces that brutally and sneakily subvert the Rule of Common Law, Justice, Normality in all its forms, Nuremberg Codes, Hippocratic Oath, God-fearing Moral Codes of behaviour , humbly-serving leaders, etc etc.
Perhaps the cyclical nature of evil attests to its permanence; we are meant to live, which, by definition, is probably to engage in the good fight, and have gratitude for the experience of rising against something worth fighting against. What an amazing time to be alive.
So true Jeff. We are definitely dealing with criminally insane people. The end justifies the means with demoniacs. I doubt they have any humanity left in them if they ever had any.
Yep, they've been doing this for a very long time
https://jimychanga.substack.com/p/911-and-the-plandemic
I'm inclined to agree with you, but not (and I'm not sure if you were including this) about masks and vaccine mandates.
Was that a reply to me or SS? I don't think either of those will make an appearance again. Even in the UK mask-wearing in medical settings is frequently patchy. Eventually someone will quietly bin them for good in a decade's time or so. Until then it's more waste and the irritation of not being able to see any of my colleague's bloody faces!
It was a reply to you about whether you think masking and vaccine mandates fall in the same category as lockdowns of being on the way to being quietly forgotten.
Seeing that your answer seems to be "yes," you're far more optimistic than I am. Masking remains insane in parts of the US and elsewhere.
100% agree. Sadly there are a not insignificant percentage of people who will never go out in public again without the face diaper - public health advisory or not. Their ability to function as a normal human being has been so warped that they can't climb out of the hole they have dug for themselves.....
Lots of people are broken from this. Permanently.
Agreed! Sometimes however I have to stop and check that I myself haven't become broken by the thing either. There are plenty on 'our' side who have 100% gone down the WEF/WHO/CCP controlling everything route as E has mentioned several times. I understand why: 2020-22 has been like living in a conspiracy theory.
My GP surgery has refused to see me in person unless I wear a mask. I made a complaint challenging them for their evidence and risk assessment but they ignored that request and told me they “believe” it protects the practitioners and patients. Some much for evidence based medicine
As long as they all keep wearing them it will never end. The people enforcing these foolish laws need to be defunded. But I doubt it will change much until something more threatening or ominous comes down the tracks. Maybe when the lights go out and everything comes to a screeching halt, or a collapse of our commerce, that mask might not be so important then.
Just say you're exempt: I hardly wore one throughout corona.
They will not accept the exemption
"Psychological distress". It's in the legislation.
If they practise such medical fascism, I'd be inclined to
a) sue them for the forced medical intervention
b) then move GP.
Re a), if you have to wear one, hand in a liability notice and ensure they know you're only doing this under duress (the legal firm Law or Fiction set up a good list of answers to questions in 2020).
That's what i said in San Francisco and no one fucked with me.
New York just issued a strongly worded "advisory" that everyone from tiny tots to oldsters wear masks indoors.
I expect New Yorkers (those of whom speak English and can read the advice) tell them to shove it up their arse. If not then your greatest city might as well sink into the sea.
Are you aware of how New Yorkers had behaved over the past 3 years vis a vis COVID?
Quite aware. I visited the Big Apple a few times and was treated like a leper because I didn't have a vaccine card.
Yes - very much so. However my point is that we are now reverting to the mean and many are desperate to forget. I think many are humiliated.
And outdoors in crowded places.
Agreed. I work on nhs wards and in community houses.
I saw plenty of nurses, and allied professionals of all grades not wearing masks- in the end I abandoned them and hardly anyone said anything about it.
I hope you're right. While us readers of eugyppius' column are full of bitterness, the leaders of our establishments and institutions have not yet arrived at "quiet shame".
The difference is that the Rwandan massacre (I've read some but prob not as much as you) was more like a wildfire. What happened with covid not only did not burn everything down, it strengthened elements of the state. We are left with a worse and less free and more depressed world. And yet there are people who imo don't realize that anything really happened. That is, they think we weathered a terrible pandemic thanks in great part to Fauci, and that now we will be moving back to the way things were before.
If they can do it again, they will.
Mass lockdowns may be dead in the West for now but the health passes were normalized and accepted by many during the pandemic. They "escaped the lab" of public health response to become a tool of population control. They're in the arsenal now and will be used again to target political enemies of the bio health security state (but probably never at the same scale.) Rather, their use can be justified in certain settings, but opting out of those settings will be inconvenient enough for those comfortable with the health authorities generally (a sizeable population) to comply. Think of vaccine requirements to visit loved ones in hospital or to enter certain public gatherings "for safety." Those who comply will think "eh, what's the big deal?" and those who don't will be further scapegoated for societal problems because they're "being difficult" or "not doing their part." I think Germany was a good test case for this.
As a policy issue this isn't remotely over and I don't know where the fuck the idea that it is over is coming from.
Which policy issue? Lockdowns? Mandates? Those are functionally dead right now (in the US at least). Lockdowns have lost all support in the health establishment and they are needed to provide expert cover for draconian policy. Mandates are dropping like flies in the US courts and the cat is out of the bag about vaccine safety, so I don't see it.
Right now the health authorities and pharma are trying to salvage the lucrative childhood vaccination program and can't risk any more defectors. Parents are newly organized in the US after outrages against school closures and childhood learning setbacks (and other reasons, none of which favor the ruling class).
Health passes may be more insidious. Perhaps they are as "innocuous" as requiring a recent negative test for accessing "secure" facilities, or maybe border crossing requirements. Again, the danger is a policy of inconvenience. The worst thing would be a bio-health digital wallet on phones that acts as a portal to government services, entitlements, and records. But that is the most likely outcome, imho. Once that's ubiquitous, it will be very easy for geo-fenced targeted lockdowns to be used as policy again. Witness China. For now, these forces/trends are in retreat. Two steps forward, one step back. That's the "creeping" part of creeping totalitarianism.
I agree but I also see that in vaccine passes and ways to enable mass quarantine will be part of pandemic planning (and I’m saying this as I work on the periphery of public health in a small country). Alarmingly whether they work is not discussed - the horror of the ethics violations of passes was bad enough to me but is there a shred of evidence they affected a better outcome than if they hadn’t been implemented?
Like the vaccinators, the lockdowners would prefer that there be no control group. That way it's harder to question their groundless assertions.
I hope you are correct that we have learned our lesson James. The alternative pathway is horrifying: that we may now be conditioned towards repeated authoritarian measures.
I'd like to be able to agree with you.
The unfortunate fact is, many very powerful forces reaped tremendous benefits from Covid. Among their number are megalomaniacal psychopaths who couldn't care less how many people they kill to get power. They have access to like-minded billionaires able to fund their evil schemes.
Their credo is, "Never let a crisis go to waste." It's only a short step to, "If there's no crisis to take advantage of, we'll make one of our own."
Be assured, there are creative thinkers trying to dream up the next pandemic at this moment. And moneyed people ready to provide the resources they need. It's just a matter of time before history repeats itself.
One last thing- these people don't see what they're trying to do as evil. They delude themselves into thinking they're doing it to save the planet, or some other high-minded reason.
I can give past smaller-scale examples of what they've already done, but for brevity, I won't do it here.
The WEF is behind these climate lockdowns - it's about control
https://reclaimthenet.org/carbon-allowance-system/
Hopefully that is the future, but with the strong possibility of WHO's extremely ugly and tyrannical pandemic treaty becoming fact in 2023, the entire game might change overnight.
This is a bit naughty as I'm hi-jacking E's thread here:
Corona is fading as a societal concern. Last year the hot air and column inches were never-ending. Now the BBC website has stories from October on the front page of its 'Coronavirus' section as even they have little new to add. We as dissidents or even as simple troublemakers have to leave it behind at some point as well. I am as angry as you all are and bitter at what I've lost, and that which others have lost. Family and close friends whom I thought I could rely on to the bitter end turned out to be weak and turned on me. You may have experienced this too.
However I look at those who still harp on about Brexit and their tiresome Boomer complaints about Johnson and that is how we will look if we don't move on. The threat will change as I've said: it won't be disease next time but the same impulse will be there. Our society has no God and is built on sand, their chosen ideology of 'woke' is miserable and has no art, no joy, no forgiveness and will eventually fail. Whilst we should still push for the truth to come out and for those like Whitty and Fauci to be punished spend your energy on preparing for the next insanity.
No thanks, this is far from over and will remain really important for some time as it is still very much a going agenda.
Enjoy your transient passions, I'm good.
Are you writing from the US? If so then I understand the situation may well be different. In Britain we have a very non-European tradition that allows more autonomy than on the Continent. As Peter Hitchens put it, everything here is permitted unless forbidden but for them everything is forbidden unless permitted. I cannot describe the roots of this with confidence but it generally means that we are left alone in much of our day-to-day affairs or at least have been.
What this meant during corona was relatively light enforcement of corona rules and a 'muddle-through' attitude. There was consistent lack of clarity and I managed to disobey and/or ignore virtually all of the rules throughout. We have the bizarre combination of CCTV panopticon but too few competent civil servants to operate it. The same in, say, Germany would quickly become a Hell on earth as their obsession with following the rules for their own sake would quickly become monstrous. Indeed it did last century for a rather interesting period.
As somebody living in Germany I agree. They have been absolutely obsessed with sticking to the rule and - much worse - making sure their neighbours also stick to the rules. At the beginning, the Bavarian police once begged the public not to call in so often to report their neighbours' transgressions because the police couldn't process any more denunciations.
This also happened in the UK sadly, the thing that finally convinced me English exceptionalism is dead. We are just as likely to be narks as the Continentals. Had Ze Germans made it across the Channel most would've obeyed.
Yes, writing from the US. Covidian theology continues to infuse our culture, maddeningly, in almost every domain.
Again, wise words, James Alexander!
The dominant narrative is so strong and most of us have had to push so hard against it that it's become engrained for many of us. Still, it is reactive - it's reacting to another group's narrative.
To be effective, I feel, I (I don't want to speak for you but suspect many of you feel like I do) will have to proactively develop and present narratives for myself. This is hard because I am starting out from an absolute underdog's corner, from the defensive, but it is also necessary from a psychological point of view. I need a positive vision, something to fight FOR, not only a negative vision to attack or defend against.
Maybe it would be a good idea for me - for us - to find this positive vision now in order to be in a better position when, as James Alexander says, we are hit by the next insanity?
What do you guys think?
I didn't get the memo that COVID is officially over and is no longer being used as a pretext to strip my freedoms or kill anyone, so I guess I'm not ready to start finding a "better position" for the "next insanity."
I'm usually of the mind that you want to solve existing problems before seeking out hypothetical new ones.
Your positive vision is pretty easy. Medical freedom and societal safeguards against totalitarianism. You're welcome.
I'm finding the sudden "let's move on" coming from an allegedly sympathetic party extremely interesting.
Greetings, fellow critical thinkers. What do you guys think?
It's not sudden. It's pragmatism. The brutal truth is:
- After the two greatest panics/hysterias that I know anything about (Nazism, Rwandan genocide) only some were prosecuted. These were the worst and most public and this was done to show the other criminals they were defeated and to satisfy the desire for vengeance from the victors. Most of them got away with it. Leni Riefenstahl died peacefully at a ripe old age, having been free to continue working after WW2
- Those who deserve punishment are powerful. They have too much power collectively: Sunak, Gove et al are still very much in power. The pointy-heads like Whitty have quietly slipped away to less-prominent positions but are still considered to be brave heroes who guided us etc etc. The Hancock cretin has helped by being the sacrificial lamb, making a fool of himself on television. He recently ate a cow's vagina and a camel's penis for money. Even imagining having to describe this to my grandfather or indeed anyone from his generation makes me nauseous
- Those who should be punished make up a majority of our healthcare and bureaucratic systems. Even just to dismiss them or strike them from the medical/nursing registers would cause the country to collapse overnight. There are ITU medics who forced people to say goodbye to their grandmothers *through a fucking COMPUTER*. I would love to see them punished again and again but now the NHS is falling apart. This happened in Rwanda when the Hutus were needed to work the farms otherwise there would be famine, so they were released from prison
- We are the minority. We lost. The majority humiliated us with their filthy little rules on masks, lockdowns, all of it. We are better men but they still won. The only victories for us as were as individuals. Refusing masks, vaccines, persuading others to do the same. That's it
I have no whitepills to offer other than that we managed to keep some semblance of our dignity whereas they did not. Remind them of their self-humiliation as often as you can and enjoy their embarrassed silence. It's all we'll get.
So long as "moving on" doesn't mean not resisting, now and forever, sure.
No, "moving on" doesn't mean not resisting, it means finding an angle that will a) help us to keep ourselves sane and b) sounding relevant to those who could actually be convinced to resist alongside with us. It's going to be f*g difficult anyway for the reasons James Alexander points out. In Germany, we have all been framed as right-wing extremists, and quite successfully so. Will I convince anbody if I keep harping on until 2035 about the injustice of lockdowning the unvaccinated in 2021? I don't think so.
We are currently just a vague cloud of difficult buggers on the internet. Somehow we need to go through the painful process of forming a bloc that can resist the things with which we disagree: men in frocks, corona, envirowankers, all of it. Many people share these views so we need to combine to resist the waves of future panics to come. There is no point fighting old battles.
It's not "moving on" or forgiving and forgetting - it's just not getting hung up on covid but rather broadening one's vision. At some point, going on about covid is going to sound really old to "normies", because THEY want to move on. It will be hard enough to make them see the form of state overreach that will be a problem at any specific point of time in the future.
The idea for me is to stay alert and never forget what they tried to do in the covid years, because this is doubtlessly something that will be tried again (maybe in a slightly altered form) in a further crisis - but to move my scope beyond covid.
To my mind, I am not considering "hypothetical new problems", as ypu put it, they are all part of the same problem: that states are going to become more authoritarian and controlling in the future; whether it be vaccination passports, abolishing cash, social credit systems - they will all play a role to some extent, and some form of them has already been tried out in the covid years.
I am not propagating dreaming dreams and meditating on the wonderful colours of the rainbow and reaching out to zero covid fanatics or forgiving government officials who thought it was a good idea to make life unbearble to people so they would take the vaccine. Not at all. I am looking for a way to preserve my strength and be effective in the long, long struggle ahead for individual freedom. And I think at the moment we're on the losing side because individual freedom is going to get swamped by a wave of collectivist thinking and the demand that the state fix everything. In this long struggle on the losing side I do not want to become bitter and I do want to be as effective as possible. That's all.
I'd love to share your optimism. Alas, I hate myself for being black-pilled but the very same people that embraced those corona restrictions (do you recall totally empty streets of every huge metropolis in the world) have been told to:
- hate the "Russian spy" Trump and they'd preferred the President to be a traitor over him not being a traitor, so the facts would align with ideology of hatred and madness (I dislike him is a needed disclaimer in our sick era);
- worship Dr. Mengele, Fauci, despite his decades long crime sheet (Robert Kennedy's book would, in any normal country be a ground for, at least, a serious investigation);
- vote a basement hiding, demented, evil career politician, Biden in as the Wise One;
- don the muzzles on and wish those who refused to do it to die;
- worship the "vaccine" & corporate criminals, Pfizer, also wanting those unvaxxed to die, making their lives "shit", as Emmanuel Macron and that NZ Jacinda Ardern characters publicly said more than once;
- hate Vladimir Putin as new Hitler, as automatons would, no questions asked;
- worship Volodymyr Zelensky as new Churchill, as automatons would,no questions asked;
- admire CIA & FBI liars even when they lie to the Congress, formerly a crime, the lying that is,
- hate Elon Musk and are not even ready to acknowledge his fight against child porn traffickers as something, perhaps good and valid.
And they obeyed.
The Party does not allow any disagreements with The Party Line. I am aware my list above is tedious / you all know that likely better than I do but I needed to spell it out / while well too short, but I have been truly flabbergasted seeing so many people being willingly blind. Also insane and borderline evil in their, regurgitated, righteousness.
I fear the "next corona-like restrictions" would be much worse and all those brainwashed people would act in even worse manner. Look how meekly they / all of us / observe approaching of a nuclear war with Russia and are not even alarmed. Perhaps there are muzzles for a nuclear fallout? Those stone dead faces, even with "Net Zero lunacy" as someone wrote earlier, are just hiding beneath the sheets, like Camus's rats.
“He knew what those jubilant crowds did not know but could have learned from books: that the plague bacillus never dies or disappears for good; that it can lie dormant for years and years in furniture and linen chests; that it bides its time in bedrooms, cellars, trunks, and bookshelves; and that perhaps the day would come when, for the bane and the enlightening of men, it would rouse up its rats again and send them forth to die in a happy city.”
This is 100% spot on. I wish I could say it as well as you have in the article.
Many of us had an intuitive sense that something deeply, deeply weird was happening in March 2020. Something way beyond a new kind of flu. I'm 56 and had never seen anything close to it. And yet I was never able to explain this intuitive dread to my normie friends and family.
In April 2020 it seemed that I was the only one not afraid to leave the house. In Seattle where I live the freeways were empty during rush hour. There were overhead signs imploring me to "STAY HOME!". Then the maskers came for me. And then about a year later POTUS threatened to take my job if I didn't submit to an experimental gene therapy relabeled as a "vaccine".
Thanks again for giving us a fascinating sociological explanation for this collective madness that really resonated with me.
Never caught the fear because early on I looked for information about how dangerous it really was. It was weird that no one seemed to discuss that. The weirdest thing was that people quickly went all in on the disaster scenario, as if they wanted it to be really really bad. I think some people found a kind of religious experience in their embrace of the collective fear. I’ll never forget feeling like I was living through an episode of the emperor’s new clothes. Almost every single person I knew, even my spouse, either bought in or went along to a significant degree. I’m only glad I was not young and had the psychological wherewithal to stand it.
Yeah, I would not call what I felt was fear. It was more of a “this is just wrong”. Which was ultimately replaced by anger. Guess I read too much about totalitarianism (Stalin,etc). I also have a bit of a background in health so it was and is infuriating to see the health “experts” turn their backs on their own historical research and own moral codes. My experience for what it’s worth.
Oh I felt a lot of anger. To the point where I was drinking too much. It was a strange kind of twilight zone where it just seemed so many were willing to pretend they were experiencing something like real danger. A few were genuinely scared, but most seemed willing to participate in the group ritual. It truly seemed like a mass hypnosis. I was able to move to a less intensely blue area but the spell was everywhere, even through most of 2021. Those of us who weren’t scared were still required to act as if we were. The spell finally seemed to break in 2022. That’s a long time and perhaps accounts for some lingering covidian behavior.
Hey I was never afraid of the coof. I was afraid of the mass hypnosis and the blatant violations of individual rights that governments were committing in the name of public health -- all based on obviously fake "science". I'm hoping that future historians will have exactly that perspective.
“Their embrace of the collective fear”. Beautifully put and an apt description of many responses to the sloganeering that drove lockdowns, masking and shots. I knew one woman who seemed so excited by it all. I don’t know what happened to her; she stopped speaking to me after I mocked some aspect of Covid “safety”.
Having been bamboozled at the beginning, I remember the feeling of excitement that we were actually participants in some important global point in history. And it definitely has a lot of parallels with religion, no doubt because the same parts of the brain are involved.
I felt (and still feel) a subtle dread; like a German watching the Reichstag burn.
I started early and by lockdowns I already knew it was a big nothing burger to me and my healthy family.
Had the same feeling of dread. As if I were about to overdose on my already negative perspective on human behavior. I still remember that feeling of dread physically making me nauseous the second there was the 180 degree flip flop on lockdowns and masking.
When the 2 weeks were extended -- felt just like when the second plane hit on 9/11.
I was really naive enough to think it was only going to be two weeks. Man I was pissed off when it was extended. I’m never going to get over it.
I loved the nearly empty freeways in Minneapolis-St. Paul although being on them felt dystopian. “Stay Home, Stay Safe” made me look for places to go, even though so much was closed for so long.
I'm envious of your prescience. At first I bought into the whole panic thing; probably a matter of the forest and the trees. But soon cracks started to appear, in my case the pooh-poohing of natural immunity and the increasingly blatant demonization of even previously respected alternate opinions, especially John Ioannidis of Stanford.
On the other hand, having survived a paradigm upheaval, it makes it easier to view all kinds of things more objectively.
Cases case cases! The hype was intense. Almost no mention of the fact that the virus was a nothingburger if under 60 and/or in good health. It’s understandable.
The constant encouragement to get tested with any symptoms, the faulty and possibly deliberately fraudulent tests, was all a bundle of PsyOps.
Not prescient but thank you. Just a broken clock who happened to guess that bad faith actors would pounce on this opportunity.
We live in the general Seattle area too and I developed a wonderful family tradition during those days, which was basically to recruit as many people in the car as possible to flip off the “stay home stay safe “ road signs as we drove happily by...
I have been very lucky in a couple of respects. First, I was allowed to work from home so I did not have to see the insanity too much. Also have a very understanding spouse. Frankly, I think my consistent exercise (intense) for the past almost 3 decades has prevented me from becoming a physical and mental wreck. I live in a deep blue island inside a red state (SC) so I could simply drive a short distance and see “normalcy”. Also, have a close friend who shares my views.
I think we (in this forum) are all lucky that new and strong voices like Eugyppius have emerged to give us a place to read, reflect, and most importantly vent to others who feel like we do. It has definitely helped me to know I am not alone. Which is very strong words coming from an introvert. Very sorry you left a place you love and hope you find a better place.
I did find a better place (SD), and it was somewhere I knew absolutely nothing about, and had never even considered. But clues were in evidence, & research confirmed.
Feel that I was guided to come here. It has a charm all it's own. Fewer people in the whole state than in King County, WA (Seattle). Lots of elbow room. As an introvert you can appreciate that, me too. Once I had made the decision, things fell into place in ways I could never have predicted. From a life inventory of experiences I would not have wanted to miss, living here ranks high on the list. Lot of Nature!!
Great for you! Loved in the Carolinas my whole life. Could probably get used to the cold of a place like SD. But probably not the less sunshine!!!!
You were wise to leave.
My tuppence worth on a couple of things that spring to mind on reading here yet another excellent article:
- The lockdowns were only possible because so many folk could work from home. Even 10 years prior the digital infrastructure was lacking for wfh. Yes. lots of small businesses went under, but the big apparatus of state and large corporations happily kept on functioning, because of the digital substructure. This digitisation of the world may not be a planned, deliberate act by nefarious WEF clones, but it is a handy by-product of our civilisation which enables surveillance, control and conformity on a massive scale, and most importantly, acceded to by a willing population. (I am reminded of an album cover by the Dead Kennedys, 'Give me convenience or give me death'; or with regards to the willing population the self-cooking pig advertising its best cuts to the connoisseur in Douglas Adams's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books.)
- The digital substructure that we seem to be embracing more and more (and yes, the irony is not lost on me of me criticising this while typing away on a digital device...) will be what makes future vaccine mandates and health passes a reality. Every time I see a young person using their phone to pay in a supermarket I want to grab him/her/them by the shoulders and shake some sense into that naive head. I have only earlier today walked out of a little local bakery because they were refusing my cash payment for a sandwich. Here in the UK there is a very obvious and blatant drive by government to get every last little personal interaction onto a digital platform, and what many people are not aware of is that the UK is at the forefront of quiet, unnoticed, polite and seemingly harmless surveillance techniques, to the extent that since about the 1980s we have developed into the most surveilled country in the world. China might be more blatant, but the UK is pretty effective.
- On the biomedical level we have had a form of cultural conditioning for the last five or six decades that has, in essence, turned the western world into a population of germaphobic hypochondriacs. The proliferation of potions, lotions and absolutions for dealing with 'dirt' of all kinds is evident on the shelves of any supermarket. Not for nothing the Puritan saying that 'cleanliness is next to godliness'. It therefore did not take much effort by the pandemicists to convince the majority of the people that the novel virus, or any virus, or bacterium, or speck of dirt for that matter, is a harbinger of certain death. The obsequious hand-rubbing following the religious application of the hand sanitiser was to me a hallmark of the 'pandemic' that was a visible sign of 'we are in a crisis and we need to be afraid', on a par with masking, perhaps even more so. I still physically cringe when I see someone going through the motions.
So yes, the pandemicists were only able to thrive because their messaging fell on fertile, if not to say febrile ground.
'Here in the UK there is a very obvious and blatant drive by government to get every last little personal interaction onto a digital platform, and what many people are not aware of is that the UK is at the forefront of quiet, unnoticed, polite and seemingly harmless surveillance techniques, to the extent that since about the 1980s we have developed into the most surveilled country in the world.'
So it's not just me noticing that? I'm in the US, and a fan of the mystery genre in movies, TV, and books. Over the last few years it's really struck me that the first go-to of evidence gathering for British authorities is digital camera coverage. They often turn up a continuous video trail of the perpetrators. We have some here in the US, especially in cities of course, but it doesn't seem as pervasive.
In the 80s my favorite TV show was Max Headroom. The setting was a dystopian corporate future where literally every square foot was under constant surveillance, and was put to use (by the good guys, in this case).
Also, maybe 10 years ago I remember reading about a push in the UK to track people's cell phones via Bluetooth using Bluetooth-equipped trash cans on the street. IIRC this was shut down, but may be only publicly.
Also 👍 for the Douglas Adams reference.
The surveillance camera trail is how the po-po tracked down the thugs Jussie Smollet paid to rough him up.
The Chicago Police did a legit investigation in that case and access to those camera videos. What I find suspicious is that when the feds get involved, or the local police have something to hide, those videos somehow vanish or are made unavailable.
I'm not saying the US doesn't have any. Just that they aren't as pervasive. It would be pretty difficult because we have such a vaster area, for one thing.
I love your post, but I would say that cowardness and a suspension of empathy were foundational features to this phenomenon.
Nobody even stopped to think of the inevitable carnage. EVEN WHEN IT WAS AT THE EXPENSE OF CHILDREN FOR 2 YEARS.
Any society that puts children last is doomed.
People have been afraid of the little rug rats since around the 60s, when children came to be regarded as dirty, snivelling, bug spreaders incarnate. My take on the childhood vaccination drives that really kicked off then is that it the rituals of applying various potions to rid children from being vectors of disease supplanted the older religious rituals of baptism and other initiation rites.
Having spawned and raised one offspring, I never really associated repeated URIs with wanting to see vaccinations for everything. We made jokes about our "little disease-carrying vermin". Every year when school started he would bring home a fresh crop of germs to share. Colds were annoying, but just a regular part of life.
'Nobody even stopped to think of the inevitable carnage.'
A lot of people objected to lockdowns, and they were shouted down.
I wish I could elevate this answer to the issue of how we were able to lock ourselves away. We had the ability to do remote working. So for some rather long period we could do many tasks that kept thing going. Of course, the essentials required some to actually go somewhere to provide the services allowing others to stay home. We could drive to the grocery store to have someone load our orders into our car. The Chinese, by tales, got welded into their homes. Some were not prepared to starve so were found, I suppose from the odor.
Meanwhile trapped in homes with only the net and the news to learn of our fate, we discover all our media had been co-opted by the Trusted News Initiative so many were unable to glean much of the truth.
And, as you note, we expect miracles from a pill. Grandma's recipe for avoiding a cold was salt water gargles. But I can use Betadine to gargle a diluted solution with a Qtip for my nose. And my pill is Vitamin D. None of that was told to the public.
It's true there is "institutional momentum". But there is also a nefarious agenda. Both things can be true at once.
https://thefreethinker.substack.com/p/a-nefarious-agenda-by-any-other-name
I have stopped giving young people gift cards or even gifts. Hard cash is what they get, and I encourage them to use cash instead of Venmo, etc.
I noticed the pattern in the 2000's. Every few years I would read about the pending "doom" pandemic that might just come next year. Then the movies -- and there are a lot more than the ones you listed. In the 2010's, I first played the boardgame "pandemic". It had brilliant coop game mechanics, but as soon as I played it, I was immediately struck that it was plain pharma propaganda. How they pulled that off, I don't know, but it is still one of the most popular board games, and perpetuates the myth that a global die off from a respiratory disease is inevitable and that the only defense is a vaccine.
I believe this played into the psyche of the majority of people.
Such effective brainwashing.
I am so pleased to be naive to that ridiculous boardgame. Dodged a bullet. Er, i mean, a jab.
OMG - I had not seen or heard about that. They didn't miss an angle. No doubt all propaganda possibilities were catalogued and choreographed.
I honestly don't know. You should take a look at the game and decide for yourself. I am not sure how they would plan to have a record selling game. If it wasn't for the propaganda, it really is a good game.
Politicians and bureaucrats are not much interested in solving problems. Why work your way out of a job? US bureaucracies can be adept at creating demand to justify budgets (especially when society is not cooperating in providing said demand). See DHS, FBI, DoD for starters. I am a broken record here but a bureaucracy’s number one priority is more bureaucracy. The amount of dumbassery (should be a word) never ceases to amaze. As always, the bad actors will take full advantage of the bureaucracy to suit personal agendas.
Nathan—Pretty much the whole thing in a nutshell, right there.
I work in a suffocating bureaucracy (power utility). Amazing I have not gone to an early grave. Spend all my time correcting other people’s mistakes. The non-thinking herd mentality has been especially thick since 2020. I am in a perpetual Walking Dead episode.
Dentist, retired early. Hated the politics against the wisely unjabbed.
I do hate also to get serious at some social gathering( yes we have these again) when some fool yaps about treatment cost or whatever, unwise to my silence and profession. Ive made a fun habit of dancing with their brains. I was well-raised in principle, so any suggestion that i profit from giving out sweets ( without knowing anything in fact) disturbs because it indicates just how uninformed and idiotic people can be. No, such “profit” does not exist. Disease is a scourge and is brought on to ourselves. Sadly. I am no longer silent about this any more than i am about the plandemic’s evil. I cannot have cognitive dissonance and claim moral ground unless i engage in it and uphold my Hippocratic Oath.
I suppose its forgiveable ( due to their naivete) but it is actually an accusation we could better aim at the fakevax profiteers. I do not generally feel very forgiving of their evil, and pray for justice preferably in this world if not only the next.
"where the hot new social media platform is called ZapQ and the big antivaxx disinformationist is a “science blogger” named EpiGirl and public health officials recruit a “hip hop icon” named BZee"
I honestly thought you were being lazy today and didn't bother coming up with some creative names.
Then I went to page 25.
Holy shit this is real.
That's probably how I will answer people who argue these people are masterminds. I will just slide them page 25 and walk away.
"The truth is way more depressing. They're not even smart enough to be as evil as you're giving them credit for." - Don't Look Up
That assumes, wrongly perhaps, that the players in these exercises are more than simply players playing a role. Not realizing that there are Dungeon Masters beyond them, rolling the dice and dictating the actions and outcomes after observing the game play.
Very very good perspective adjusting piece. However the evolution of fear pumping for control has gone to a new stage. It is now more than just fund raising and keeping one’s job and livelihood intact.
Agree. More Censorship, reality distortion, hate (thought) speech , and continuing panic/fear economy can't only be down to weak incompetent beaurocrats.
Yes. It’s 5th Generation Warfare. Great piece from Dr Malone the other day.
Must give it a read.
I've been wary to not get drawn into mad conspiracies. But as of now, there are far far too many things not adding up for it to be a series of unfortunate decisions made by public officials.
After say, 35 or 45, i began to dismiss coincidence as explanatory. For just about anything. Except for simultaneous burps and farts.
Great that you’re seeing the pattern. Trust your judgment like your golf swing.
Haha, I'll try.
So, am I right in my latest thinking that Climate is
a) a genuine phenomenon that has been hijacked for corporate interests and social engineering.
Or b) is a total hoax?
Thoughts?
Both are to some extent true. Look, ive hugged my share of trees and still do. But caring about planetary beauty does not entitle me to blow up energy infrsstructure etc. besides, we are one volcanic eruption away from a long dark deadly winter. CO2 pours out of ground cracks. We are not primary drivers of any climate change that may or may not occur. Partly fearporn hoax, definitely an idea the evil canal latches onto. We were all supposed to die by now. Thats what club of rome data showed me in biology 020 at Western u in 1980. And here we are. Eating, until manmade starvation is created by removing farms from production. It us criminal activity by power grabbing . Evil governments especially mine. Canada is no more, i hate to say it.
I suggest you read Limits to Growth 1972.
It didn't forecast collapse until maybe the 2nd quarter of the 21st.C.
The authors stated that the right actions taken then, i.e. 1970s, could avoid collapse. A lot of action *was* taken in the 1970s and oil consumption fell.
But from the 1980s onwards, at least, LtG was mostly ignored. Prof. Dennis Meadows seems incredulous that so little was done.
Yes, absolutely. Malone’s post on 5GW is a must read.
I feel like when Outbreak is mentioned (which is based on Richard Preston's Hot Zone), you have to mention Crichton's The Andromeda Strain - 1969. Then we should dig up the thinly documented histories of suspected and confirmed lab escapes.
Re Andromeda Strain. Ah, those were innocent days. Like War of the Worlds before it, the pathogen ends up evolving itself into into a benign form, no longer a danger to (non-rubber) lifeforms.
War of the Worlds was disappointingly anticlimactic; Andromeda Strain was setting us up for the sequel.
Here's a partial account from 2014: https://nationalpost.com/news/a-brief-terrifying-history-of-viruses-escaping-from-labs-70s-chinese-pandemic-was-a-lab-mistake
Those wargame exercises are evidence of pure hubris. They really did believe their own bullshit.
But how does this fit with Bill Gates having supposedly bought 50 million shares of BioNtech back in September 2019, which I read were valued recently at $550 million now? Did he just have a good hunch?
i think it means that gates is able to secure unique opportunities and openings as they arise for companies he invests heavily in.
yeah...not sure I buy that. Some of my research suggests that they knew this was coming. Just looking at Moderna's inception and who founded it and what kinds of research they were doing makes the whole affair suspect. Either that or the amazing number of coincidences like the excess death rates are a 6 sigma event. Funny how in 2017 Moderna had turned away from its research into using the mRNA technology to solve rare diseases and began focusing in earnest on vaccine development. Even a former executive scratched his head at this move since vaccines are loss leaders in the industry. Interestingly, Moderna mentioned by name a few vaccines in their pipeline for development but refused to identify or name one mystery vaccine. Things that make you go hmmmm. Oh and then there is the arrest of Charles Lieber and what he was working on. And he was working with Langer of MIT (who just happens to have been one of the original founders of Moderna). And how about the guy who funded Moderna's inception in 2010 (same year that Lieber discovered he could use nano wires to monitor human cell activity). Noubar Afayen was the guy who funded Moderna. Turns out he was also the chair of the WEF Global Council on Emerging Technologies in 2014. Even issued a report for the WEF that year identifying the top 10 emerging technologies at that time (mind you that was nearly a decade ago). Listed among the top 10 emerging technologies was a.) brain/computer interface and b.) RNA technology. Did you know that Charles Lieber was working in a joint nano lab in China (a Harvard/China endeavor) between 2010 and 2014. That partnership of sorts seems to have dissolved in 2014. Lieber and his Chinese cohorts had discovered how to get the nano wires into human cells without destroying the human cells by using lipid nanoparticles. Guess what Charles Lieber was working on at the time of his arrest in 2019? Yup....injectables. That is, how to inject these nanowires into a person and have them enter human cells. Did I already mention that after his 2014 research success he and Langer started working together. Do you know Langer's areas of specialty? What if, Lieber's arrest and subsequent conviction is cover for the fact that he was removed from public view and his technology and research was used in some of the vaccines? Or is that too far-fetched. Might explain why some have reported seeing strange self-assembling particles in some of the vaccines. And we know at this point that not all the formulations of the vaccine were the same. That has been evidenced by the fact that 95% of the adverse reactions reported are in only 5% of the lots. Riddle me that. Oh, I have lots more coincidences that involve Mr. Gates and his proxies placed globally through his predatory philanthropy and his connections, influence and $$$$.
But hey, I'm just a conspiracy theorist who has been tracking closely one of Gates' proxies in my state. And I live in a rural state that is a cheap date for those who want to buy influence. And my state is also the one that the 9/11 terrorist entered the US through our shared border with Canada. To say that we are an unsuspecting populace that for the most part embraces a simple lifestyle would be an understatement. I see evidence that the plan and agenda unfolding has likely been the subject of boardroom discussions for some time. And Gates figures prominently in making it all happen and unfold.
Oh....and I forgot to mention that Gates and Warren Buffet coincidentally went to China for their inaugural trip to meet up with the ultra rich of that nation (turns out China is one of the top countries globally with ultra-rich) to discuss philanthropy opportunities. For the sole purpose of enriching mankind, of course. (insert eye role).
Then there are the very interesting connection to Gates by way of Epstein. Connections that lead to the AMA and World Bank. Look up the doc married to a former high up Microsoft executive that is said to be responsible for having introduced Epstein and Gates. Look at her ties to Epstein and also her resume of connections. Oh what tangled webs they weave.
I appreciate the response, but it doesn't address the very "lucky" timing of his huge stock purchase.
Opportunism layered on top of the bureaucratic bullshit.
Now that Mr 'lockdown' and 'mr covid origin coverup' Farrar has been made Chief Scientist at the WHO, I wonder how long before lockdowns are on the cards again.
These events do seem to harken self-fulfilling prophesies- Event 201 was Sars CoV 2, the monkey pox meeting and now Bill Gates organized the newest one, predicting an enterovirus pandemic affecting mostly the young in 2025. I agree that these meetings are groupings of power hungry bureaucrats who seek even more self-importance. My basic fear is who is lurking around them or behind them. We have idiots shooting at substations here in the US, these are probably lefty crackpots who want to destabilize our fossil fuel power, a bit like the Stop oil imbeciles. Likewise, self important assholes end up selling military secrets to foreign countries to “burn’ the Trump administration, etc. They are rogue but very dangerous and frequently this perfect blend again of stupid with arrogance (like Fauci). So now we enter the labs who could have rogue actors. How was omicron released and will this ever be addressed? Will some yahoo who believes in the Gates cult be tempted to release an enterovirus in 2025 to make his prediction come true?
Monkeypox, which doesn't kill anyone and primarily infects extremely promiscuous gay men who already have many infections, could've easily gone unnoticed. I think what really happened with the Gates wargame, is that it coincided with (or even reinforced) a rise of interest in and testing for this old virus in public health circles, and lo and behold – they found it. It had surely been circulating unnoticed for a long time already.
That’s an interesting observation, because I also think Gates knew that Sars CoV 2 had escaped earlier and was hoping to monetize that virus as well (and capture more respect and importance in his foray into vaccines and vaccination- he really sees himself as some sort of Jesus-like figure- which is incredibly manic and dangerous).
I think it's a completely reasonable theory that a select population was aware of COVID at least 6 months before March 2020, with all the "insider trading" opportunities that implies.
yes, I think it was known, at the very least, that some kind of SARS-related virus was circulating in select areas of China for a while before January 2020
Search online with these terms:
“Mystery illness”
“Nursing home”
“Respiratory”
And restrict to dates between Jan 2019 to Sept 2019.
Eye opening.
And would be great if someone still had those samples to test…
But “all the insider trading“ cuts a very wide path--including knowledge and deliberate messaging by at least some of the event 201 participants who wanted to undermine Trump as well. Some of the “future misinformation“ messaging still was pretty radical by US constitutional standards. Yes, the CIA rep was quick to suggest that the plan would be to flood the zone rather than to censor…. but anyone who has been at these international conferences knows that whatever is actually recorded is just the tip of iceberg – – in fact often it’s deliberately milder than the conversations in the corridors. 
Fox. Henhouse. Etc.
It’s a conversation for another day, but I’m not sure monkeypox will remain so self-limiting. Here’s hoping it still looks that way in a year.
For the record, I believe people in the Americas at least are being recorded as dying from monkeypox in very small – but increasing – numbers.
I believe I read in one of the sub stacks that the vast majority of deaths were in severely immunocompromised individuals with advanced aids. But i can’t remember where- maybe Igor Chudov.
This is all well and good. But. There is a parallel effort that you did not describe. At the same time as these clownish buffoons are war-gaming a pandemic -- people like Ralph Baric and thousands of others are engaged in gain of function research to create real versions of the fictional viruses being discussed. And then in 2019, one (or more than one) of those real gain of function viruses got out. And THEN all of the people who had been psychologically primed by participating in the dumb war games actually did in the real world, the things that they had practiced to do.
Justice Ginsberg made it clear that Abortion was NEVER about woman’s rights, it was all about reducing the population of minorities that Gates’ father championed Planned Parenthood and stuck his clinics in minority areas. In the same way, the Plandemic was never about public health but about furthering the GreatReset agenda which ultimately aims to do away with representative DEMOCRACY as "obsolete". We've done a great job proving to elites that we are indeed, for the most part, sheeple who are too dumb to think for ourselves or to figure out what's best for us. Despite the tactical retreat, "those that matter" are still full steam ahead towards a global, social-credit score and government digital currency controlled where "you'll own nothing and be happy about it" because they'll own everything, and you'll be too medicated and too "bio-enhanced" to know or care anymore.
These same people want to "fix you" with an mRNA " vaccine" while promoting population reduction. Are we stupid?
https://jimychanga.substack.com/p/911-and-the-plandemic
While I agree the pandemiscists are very stupid and also very opportunistic, I still cant get around the idea that this wasn't nefariously preplanned.
-The funding of the WHO by Bill gates
- The Wuhan lab leak
-The clear collusion between Gates and Fauci
-Gain of function research by Fauci-confirmed by whistleblowers
-The WEF and their prophetic statements
-Green/UN 2030 agendas
-The great replacement happening in the West via mass immigration
-Increased surveillance technology infrastructure being put in place as quickly as possible ex)smart cities
-Wokeness
-etc
Theres just too many coincidences. For the sake of argument ,lets just say corona was an accident/natural, they certainly used it to maximize gains on the tyrannical front and now they've seen firsthand how such an event can accelerate the implementation of desired policies so what is there to stop them from doing so again but this time intentionally?
Correct listing! But I am nearly sure: It WAS already intentionally! After having failed with mass-vaccinations after swine-flu it was the intended exercise how to scare the masses and let them take the jabs. And it is going on.
maybe it's because we are all trying to make sense of something that is not really coherent or planned. Yes, it's awful, yes people behaved badly, want power, some are clever, some are cunning and only think of themselves. But is this anything new?
Some of those may just arise out of culture or happenstance but the clincher is that what we saw out of Wuhan was propaganda. There were people dropping dead in the streets from a respiratory virus which happened no where else in the world and then the trucks and men walking up and down spraying everything. Also my understanding is that the make-shift hospitals built in ten days was also propaganda.
Even the lab leak rests on the idea that a "dangerous" virus leaked out of the Wuhan lab but if the events that pointed to a dangerous virus in Wuhan was just propaganda then there is no reason to assume any lab leak. In fact, a recent paper found evidence of SARS-Cov2 in early September in Italy yet there were no excess deaths at that time. The excess deaths only happened once a pandemic was declared and that was declared because of the events in Wuhan.
What about suppression of hydroxycloroquine in France in February 2020, well before the
pandemic took off or anyone thought of using HCQ for treating covid?. As RFK Jr. writes
in his book, the French authorities mysteriously and w/o explanation put it on "dangerous"
schedule while it was easily available before. What is this if not foreknowledge that HCQ will be
useful and needs to be suppressed in order to push the vaccines (of which then there was no
public talk)?