In the latest retarded case of political repression to afflict the Federal Republic of Germany, police are investigating a pensioner for the crime of associating the German Chancellor with an iconic children’s book character.
The very special German politicians need to look at the robustness of political discourse in Anglophone nations. It's only in Germany where there is a special assumption that politicians are thin-skinned and fragile. Elsewhere, you put yourself in the public eye you are expected to put up with a much higher degree of ridicule. Not a lower degree.
"Anglophone" includes Britain which is possibly worse than germany.
Certainly Carney looks at what Britain and Germany are doing and is hoping to do the same here. Easy enough to pass vague "hate" laws and then allow left leaning judges to interpret insults as hate.
I mean, every disagreement is hate these days, if i say that men shouldn't be in womens prisons that is hate, if i say 6 year olds shouldn't be subjected to male sexual fetish story hour that is "hate".
Everything is hate if you disagree with the woke left insane.
I hear where you are coming from but it's not quite the same with politicians. You can still call British politicians uncouth and insolent things that would unfit to be shared on a family-friendly blog like this one, as long as you steer away from certain protected traits.
More generally, yes it's correct that anything that a leftist says is offensive is illegal to say. But that's the same in Germany now as well.
For section 188 to be properly applied, it’s use should be predicated on written allegations made by a specific politician, and said politician (not a representative) should have to appear at all hearings related to the allegations, at which time they would be asked to personally explain the reason(s) they filled the complaint. If found guilty the offender should be given the choice to apologize, or wear an ankle bracelet for a period not to exceed (7) calendar days. The law itself is not the problem, rather its application.
Which constitutionally it is... But when you talk about the constitution and how that was interpreted by previous less "our democratic" iterations of Germany, that also risks indictments!
I am reminded of how John Prescott on at least one occasion physically attacked a heckler. I am sure Merz would go up many notches in everyone's esteem if he did the same.
I'm not sure the "growing realisation that these cases make our authorities look immensely stupid" really hits home when a whole lot of your authorities really are immensely stupid. ;-)
That's why they need this law in the first place. They are trying to protect themselves from well-deserved ridicule. It never seems to occur to them that maybe their critics have a point.
I guess German officials would be Big Mad if I likened current German speech crime codes to those enacted under the Reichstagsbrandverordnung, Ermächtigungsgesetz and Führerprinzip.
Australia is about to join the party. Our Prime Minister, the most pathetic weasel Albanese, has just referred the leader of the burgeoning One Nation Party to the police for investigation re “hate speech” against Muslims, after the killing of 15 at a Bondi Beach Hanukkah festival in December.
Her popularity has skyrocketed and she is seriously threatening our WEF/UN globalist Uniparty system.
True, but mocking politicians is still ok. Two Tier Keir (so endemic it is widely used and recognisrd in the abbreviated form '2TK') and Kier Stalin are widely used, as are Rachel from Accounts and Rachel Thieves. And let's not get on to Lammy...
This would be a great time to update us on how them literary artsy free-speechy Americans who fled America for the welcoming bosom of the Germany that would never do any o' them Famous Notorious Bad Things again are doing.
I had the excuse of being young and immature and naive in the years when I was sure everything was better in Europe. I learned something from life though.
Now it would be correct to say I deeply value the Western Enlightenment through whose ideals America was forged as a nation.
My parents were from Holland. Came to the US in 1948 for an accounting job with some Dutch company in New York. Then dad got his CPA and after that he worked at GAO and St Dept. He always took the jobs overseas because we had family there. I never lived in the US until I was about 15, and then on and off until I was about 21. Europe is nice but US is better. My parents preferred the US as well, They became citizens immediately upon arrival in '48
I became friends with a pair of Dutch sisters I met in Scotland and visited them twice in Amsterdam, and I always felt so painfully how much more sophisticated and naturally elegant ordinary middle-class Europeans seemed to be than I was.
At 27 with stars in my eyes about Europe I went to university in southern France for a year. Boy oh boy did that ever wake me up about Europe, even though I had spent much of my childhood in England. Three years after that I landed in Tehran for two years followed by 8 years in Saudi Arabia and learned first hand about that part of the world's very different "cultures". Every year I spent in those places deepened my appreciation and gratitude for not only Western Enlightenment but also how it had impacted my home country the U.S. of A.
"Every year I spent in those places deepened my appreciation and gratitude for not only Western Enlightenment but also how it had impacted my home country the U.S. of A."
Just adding the edit "...[one] of those [neighboring] places" and you and I got mighty similar experiences.
Some people think they understand other countries based on a vacation here or there. I would say you have to live in foreign places to really get an understanding of the cultures! My France year was a real eye opener, possibly because I expected better than I saw!
I was all swoony about Kipling's frontier region and you add in the joys of drapey flowy clothes that a tailor will make to measure for you quite cheaply and the little jackals calling from the hills at night under a sky where you can really see the stars and you get yourself a little over-mesmerized by appearances.
I'd visited since 1976 and then lived there for a three-year stretch and those places get into your bones. I went back with the now-unhusband and our kid for another 18 months 16 years later.
When I was in basic military training many decades ago, the main training techniques employed by the training cadre were "fear, insult, sarcasm, and ridicule." Who woulda thunk these would become crimes a half-century later? Makes me wonder how they train German troops today.
One could of course say that Herr Merz, same as Her Habeck, display the well-known teutonic lack of humour ... one could also say that they are exceptionally thin-skinned for a politician if they deem such tiny, ridiculous pinpricks as 'Majestätsbeleidigung' which must be punished.
One could however also say that this is a sad sign of the now widely-spread lack of spine in their underlings and civil servants who, in an act of preemptive obedience abuse the law to show their everlasting support ...
Wow . Germany is going insane . The Washington Post routinely assigns “ Pinocchio “ to most statements by our President . Though left leaning and a CIA mouthpiece , they seem fair in going after both parties on this issue . Maybe because what you said was either true or not true . You know , I’m not sure Germany understands the damage done to it by the lunatic green agenda . Maybe this is a way to get people to look at the shiny object . China and US are burning massive amounts of fossil fuels to generate electricity. What is Germany going to power AI data centers with ? …wind ? or are you going to simply ignore the AI Revolution . “ Our Atari 360 computer still works ? “ ..you know you can get so far behind that catching up is an impossibility.
So much for free speech. What, are the Nazis back in power in Germany? In the US, truth is a defense to defamation suits. If the nose fits, the Chancellor is already wearing it!
The Nazis never left "power in Germany." They simply shared it with Jewish and American Nazis. In fact, it could be said they infiltrated all the democracies of the West.
Remember this? "Ve haff infiltrated haff ze gabinets." - [definitely not Santa] Claus Schwab, Indicted sex offender and former head of the WEF.
When asked what Julian Assange's crime was, shortly after Hilary Clinton considered killing him outright with a rocket, she said this: "He insulted the International Class."
The International Class delenda est. I hope that is not too insulting.
I thought this would be in keeping w/ the spirit of this article.
Here’s a link to an article in memorium to Stefan Niehoff, who was mercilessly prosecuted by German authorities for having called Habeck a moron in a post, and when that failed, they continued to prosecute him for past posts. His sense of humor and genuine concern for the trajectory of his country throughout it all was heroic.
Stefan, who was a truly intelligent, funny, and overwhelmingly decent German citizen, sadly died recently from a stroke.
There is a link in the article to a short documentary with him and the story of his family and life in Germany.
Parliamentary immunity from prosecution is gennerally to be found under an umbrella rather than a veil but be that as it may, how poetic to have a Feuerprobe in Heilbronn.
In response to your criticism of our temporary suspension of most of you democratic rights, we will be implementing a permanent suspension of the democratic rights we didn't temporarily suspend.
I'm getting the impression that the German gov't often goes after pensioners for these speech crimes, and if that's so, why would that be? They consider pensioners less likely to resist in court? It doesn't make this look any better, that they go after elderly folks -- it's already retarded enough, but picking on old people...really does not look good!
Well, in the end Pinocchio became a real boy - perhaps Herr Merz may become a real man and stop this crazy persecution in its tracks.
wood knot...:)
Nyeh nyeh nyeh!
By the way, "wood knot" in Swedish is "knast" or "knagg" dep. on where you are.
Both also mean "idiot".
Kind of fitting when the topic is a politician.
multilingual punning is the truest form of 5D chess.
Perfect. And today I learned
😂
Reminded of a risqué joke...
Q - What did Snow White say to Pinocchio while 'facing' him?
A - "Lie to me! Tell the truth. Lie to me! Tell the truth...."
And perhaps the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny will cooperate with the Leprechans to bring me pots and pots of gold.
Or maybe not.
a real man ? I think not
In ya dreams!
The very special German politicians need to look at the robustness of political discourse in Anglophone nations. It's only in Germany where there is a special assumption that politicians are thin-skinned and fragile. Elsewhere, you put yourself in the public eye you are expected to put up with a much higher degree of ridicule. Not a lower degree.
"Anglophone" includes Britain which is possibly worse than germany.
Certainly Carney looks at what Britain and Germany are doing and is hoping to do the same here. Easy enough to pass vague "hate" laws and then allow left leaning judges to interpret insults as hate.
I mean, every disagreement is hate these days, if i say that men shouldn't be in womens prisons that is hate, if i say 6 year olds shouldn't be subjected to male sexual fetish story hour that is "hate".
Everything is hate if you disagree with the woke left insane.
I hear where you are coming from but it's not quite the same with politicians. You can still call British politicians uncouth and insolent things that would unfit to be shared on a family-friendly blog like this one, as long as you steer away from certain protected traits.
More generally, yes it's correct that anything that a leftist says is offensive is illegal to say. But that's the same in Germany now as well.
"...as long as you steer away from certain protected traits."
That this is a qualifier to your overall points says a lot to me about Great Britain's current rate of decay.
For section 188 to be properly applied, it’s use should be predicated on written allegations made by a specific politician, and said politician (not a representative) should have to appear at all hearings related to the allegations, at which time they would be asked to personally explain the reason(s) they filled the complaint. If found guilty the offender should be given the choice to apologize, or wear an ankle bracelet for a period not to exceed (7) calendar days. The law itself is not the problem, rather its application.
OR, they could just stop censoring people’s speech and opinions PERIOD.
Even better! And make censorship a crime.
Which constitutionally it is... But when you talk about the constitution and how that was interpreted by previous less "our democratic" iterations of Germany, that also risks indictments!
I am reminded of how John Prescott on at least one occasion physically attacked a heckler. I am sure Merz would go up many notches in everyone's esteem if he did the same.
A former Canadian Prime Minister did just that. It's now called the Shawinigan Handshake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawinigan_Handshake
The general thrust of public comment at the time was that the heckler got what was coming to him.
I'd say the UK is giving them a run for their money.
Not if you're a woman. Any criticism of female politicians is denounced immediately as "sexist," "misogynist," und so weiter
Hmmm....I'm a woman and I regularly insult the moronic, truly stupid women I see in public life. Does that make me sexist and a misogynist too? 😆
I'm not sure the "growing realisation that these cases make our authorities look immensely stupid" really hits home when a whole lot of your authorities really are immensely stupid. ;-)
At least we get to enjoy Eugyppius' trademark epithets, e.g.
"the pinched schoolmarms on the 'social media team' who run the Heilbronn Police Facebook"
That's why they need this law in the first place. They are trying to protect themselves from well-deserved ridicule. It never seems to occur to them that maybe their critics have a point.
I guess German officials would be Big Mad if I likened current German speech crime codes to those enacted under the Reichstagsbrandverordnung, Ermächtigungsgesetz and Führerprinzip.
Which I just did. How 'bout them apfels!
There is stiff competition between the UK and Germany for their totalitarian speech crimes.
Australia is about to join the party. Our Prime Minister, the most pathetic weasel Albanese, has just referred the leader of the burgeoning One Nation Party to the police for investigation re “hate speech” against Muslims, after the killing of 15 at a Bondi Beach Hanukkah festival in December.
Her popularity has skyrocketed and she is seriously threatening our WEF/UN globalist Uniparty system.
Shades of the AfD and Marine Le Pen………..🙄
The leader of the One Nation Party has made an animated movie as part of her campaign. Even though in the US, I managed to buy it and watch it. Fun!
https://www.onenation.org.au/a-super-progressive-movie-address
You should see the series on YouTube that they released each week for 3 seasons.
They were absolutely hilarious.
When you have closely followed our politics, they are extremely on target topically and the characterization of individual politicians is PERFECT.
I'll look that up, thanks!
True, but mocking politicians is still ok. Two Tier Keir (so endemic it is widely used and recognisrd in the abbreviated form '2TK') and Kier Stalin are widely used, as are Rachel from Accounts and Rachel Thieves. And let's not get on to Lammy...
Queer starmer is still my favourite
Yes. The prosecution of the 3 rent boys is due in April. Should be fun although I suspect they'll find a way of post-poning or dropping it...
I fear you're right. It also seems like the media isn't covering this
The Fourth Reich is almost identical to the Third Reich - right down to attacking Russia.
This would be a great time to update us on how them literary artsy free-speechy Americans who fled America for the welcoming bosom of the Germany that would never do any o' them Famous Notorious Bad Things again are doing.
all staying together with like minded idiots. It is the only way for them to survive, kind of like that show: The View.
I had the excuse of being young and immature and naive in the years when I was sure everything was better in Europe. I learned something from life though.
Now it would be correct to say I deeply value the Western Enlightenment through whose ideals America was forged as a nation.
My parents were from Holland. Came to the US in 1948 for an accounting job with some Dutch company in New York. Then dad got his CPA and after that he worked at GAO and St Dept. He always took the jobs overseas because we had family there. I never lived in the US until I was about 15, and then on and off until I was about 21. Europe is nice but US is better. My parents preferred the US as well, They became citizens immediately upon arrival in '48
I became friends with a pair of Dutch sisters I met in Scotland and visited them twice in Amsterdam, and I always felt so painfully how much more sophisticated and naturally elegant ordinary middle-class Europeans seemed to be than I was.
At 27 with stars in my eyes about Europe I went to university in southern France for a year. Boy oh boy did that ever wake me up about Europe, even though I had spent much of my childhood in England. Three years after that I landed in Tehran for two years followed by 8 years in Saudi Arabia and learned first hand about that part of the world's very different "cultures". Every year I spent in those places deepened my appreciation and gratitude for not only Western Enlightenment but also how it had impacted my home country the U.S. of A.
"Every year I spent in those places deepened my appreciation and gratitude for not only Western Enlightenment but also how it had impacted my home country the U.S. of A."
Just adding the edit "...[one] of those [neighboring] places" and you and I got mighty similar experiences.
Some people think they understand other countries based on a vacation here or there. I would say you have to live in foreign places to really get an understanding of the cultures! My France year was a real eye opener, possibly because I expected better than I saw!
I was all swoony about Kipling's frontier region and you add in the joys of drapey flowy clothes that a tailor will make to measure for you quite cheaply and the little jackals calling from the hills at night under a sky where you can really see the stars and you get yourself a little over-mesmerized by appearances.
I'd visited since 1976 and then lived there for a three-year stretch and those places get into your bones. I went back with the now-unhusband and our kid for another 18 months 16 years later.
I'm cured now.
When I was in basic military training many decades ago, the main training techniques employed by the training cadre were "fear, insult, sarcasm, and ridicule." Who woulda thunk these would become crimes a half-century later? Makes me wonder how they train German troops today.
One could of course say that Herr Merz, same as Her Habeck, display the well-known teutonic lack of humour ... one could also say that they are exceptionally thin-skinned for a politician if they deem such tiny, ridiculous pinpricks as 'Majestätsbeleidigung' which must be punished.
One could however also say that this is a sad sign of the now widely-spread lack of spine in their underlings and civil servants who, in an act of preemptive obedience abuse the law to show their everlasting support ...
None of the above paint a nice picture.
Wow . Germany is going insane . The Washington Post routinely assigns “ Pinocchio “ to most statements by our President . Though left leaning and a CIA mouthpiece , they seem fair in going after both parties on this issue . Maybe because what you said was either true or not true . You know , I’m not sure Germany understands the damage done to it by the lunatic green agenda . Maybe this is a way to get people to look at the shiny object . China and US are burning massive amounts of fossil fuels to generate electricity. What is Germany going to power AI data centers with ? …wind ? or are you going to simply ignore the AI Revolution . “ Our Atari 360 computer still works ? “ ..you know you can get so far behind that catching up is an impossibility.
So much for free speech. What, are the Nazis back in power in Germany? In the US, truth is a defense to defamation suits. If the nose fits, the Chancellor is already wearing it!
The Nazis never left "power in Germany." They simply shared it with Jewish and American Nazis. In fact, it could be said they infiltrated all the democracies of the West.
Remember this? "Ve haff infiltrated haff ze gabinets." - [definitely not Santa] Claus Schwab, Indicted sex offender and former head of the WEF.
Germany is a US protectorate for 99 years after end of WW II, according to Gerard Menuhin in his book 'Tell the Truth, Shame the Devil".
https://fliegende-wahrheit.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/menuhin-gerard_tell-the-truth-and-shame-the-devil.pdf
When asked what Julian Assange's crime was, shortly after Hilary Clinton considered killing him outright with a rocket, she said this: "He insulted the International Class."
The International Class delenda est. I hope that is not too insulting.
I thought this would be in keeping w/ the spirit of this article.
Here’s a link to an article in memorium to Stefan Niehoff, who was mercilessly prosecuted by German authorities for having called Habeck a moron in a post, and when that failed, they continued to prosecute him for past posts. His sense of humor and genuine concern for the trajectory of his country throughout it all was heroic.
Stefan, who was a truly intelligent, funny, and overwhelmingly decent German citizen, sadly died recently from a stroke.
There is a link in the article to a short documentary with him and the story of his family and life in Germany.
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/commentary/an-obituary-for-stefan-niehoff-and-free-speech-in-germany/
Is he the 💩 guy?
?? Don’t know what you’re referring to.
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/tweeting-the-poop-emoji-at-a-cabinet
I don’t think so but 🤷♀️
Parliamentary immunity from prosecution is gennerally to be found under an umbrella rather than a veil but be that as it may, how poetic to have a Feuerprobe in Heilbronn.
If they could, they’d be re-instituting le droit du seigneur as well. Although arguably the global Epstein cabal already put that back in place.
In response to your criticism of our temporary suspension of most of you democratic rights, we will be implementing a permanent suspension of the democratic rights we didn't temporarily suspend.
Hahaha.
Sounds like the income tax in the US.
I'm getting the impression that the German gov't often goes after pensioners for these speech crimes, and if that's so, why would that be? They consider pensioners less likely to resist in court? It doesn't make this look any better, that they go after elderly folks -- it's already retarded enough, but picking on old people...really does not look good!
Maybe the workforce is already so depleted they don't want to damage it anymore?
Only half kidding.