You actually see how far down the dictatorship road the society in Germany is. Infiltrating social media and inciing violence in order to discredit the platform and the groups? Police doing the work where the politicians are not convincing?? I grew up in a totalitarian Soviet block state and can smell it from a mile. Ordinary Germans have no idea that they are basically enabling a new nazi state with their brainles virtue signaling. They think they do it for the society, to save the health care system ..WTF
In a similar vein to your post, but on a much grander scale than just Telegram
The majority of the plots they foiled would never have started without the FBI instigating them, pushing them forward and paying cash.
The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism
A groundbreaking work of investigative journalism, The Terror Factory:
Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism exposes how the FBI has, under the guise of engaging in counterterrorism since 9/11, built a network of more than 15,000 informants whose primary purpose is to infiltrate Muslim communities to create and facilitate phony terrorist plots so that the Bureau can then claim it is winning the war on terror.
Reminds me of the protest in Brussels last week. We were all marching along peacefully and in our midst you could spot thos small group - no signs, dressed in balaclavas - who had come for one purpose alone. Sure enough they managed to get the water cannons flowing. Whether agents provocateurs or just plain meatheads, they clearly weren’t there for protest pruposes.
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As evidenced by the (edit) January 6 capitol hill "insurrection" - the elected government is nowhere near as pervasive and carcinogenic as the unelected government (police, CIA, FBI, to mention well known variants).
A binge watching of a season or two of Yes, Minister should be required political education for all.
"The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our lifetime," wrote Sir Edward Grey on the eve of the cataclysm that dealt a shattering blow to Western Civilization. It seems appropriate to use them here, after contemplating the widespread trampling of human rights going on in Europe.
Seems like anyone who suggest violence is working for the government. Just like how they turned the January 6 protest in to a death and violence - of course it was the innocent protestors and Trump supporters who were killed.
Excellent advice, thank you. I usually remove myself from anything where violence is suggested, but making a statement avowing one's non-violent position is more assertive (and instructive to others). Heeded.
Good advice but this is not a new problem or limited to Telegram. Feds have infiltrated every public discussion platform since message boards began. Anonymous servers were infiltrated to target WikiLeaks in 2010 and hactivist Jeremy Hammond who liberated the Stratfor collection was nailed by FBI snitch Sabu using IRC chat logs. The surveillance State sucks up everything and to assume you have privacy on any digital device is naive and dangerously poor opsec.
This is some crazy stuff. When I was stationed in Germany I used to hear my German friends (some) about how tired they were with all the blame from WWII, ‘it’s all behind us, it’s not like that could happen again, let’s just move on from the whole thing.’ It would see that maybe the blaming a particular individual - Hitler - or group - Nazis - may have blinded everyone to an extent. Do Germans, or anyone for that matter, really understand the METHODS employed by the Nazi’s to take power? We have lost focus on the HOW of the Nazis, which is evident when we have so called anti-fascists essentially establishing fascistic methods to fight…fascists. Or when, as you mention here, we allow governments to drum up fear and then further allow them to use special action via laws or decrees to solve a seeming never ending problem. The success for the West has been for not. We, especially higher education, have completely failed.
I think this will be more pronounced in western EU. In the East people remember communism and how to deal during oppression. Also, learn arabic! There is a purely logistical reason 99% of all people targeted by "thought police" are indigenous europeans - much easier to run an operation when everyone speaks the same language. Imagine the logistics involved when 20+ suspects speak both euro-pidgin arabic and idiomatic arabic.
Fighting oppression is as much about logistics as anything - make control progressively more expensive and damaging to the powerstructure. This is actually easier thorugh peaceful means, hence the need to paint opposition and samizdat as violent and deranged.
Sorry, Professor e, I'm not gonna do that. Self-censorship is exactly what bad agents of the State want. I will continue to write and say exactly what I want to write and say.
General Paceka tells this story in his book Disinformation: in Russia, when they wanted to arrest someone, the secret police would come to their door early in the morning, yell "Telegram", and take you away in your pajamas when you answered.
The Telegram service was started by Russian engineers...
You actually see how far down the dictatorship road the society in Germany is. Infiltrating social media and inciing violence in order to discredit the platform and the groups? Police doing the work where the politicians are not convincing?? I grew up in a totalitarian Soviet block state and can smell it from a mile. Ordinary Germans have no idea that they are basically enabling a new nazi state with their brainles virtue signaling. They think they do it for the society, to save the health care system ..WTF
In a similar vein to your post, but on a much grander scale than just Telegram
The majority of the plots they foiled would never have started without the FBI instigating them, pushing them forward and paying cash.
The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism
A groundbreaking work of investigative journalism, The Terror Factory:
Inside the FBI's Manufactured War on Terrorism exposes how the FBI has, under the guise of engaging in counterterrorism since 9/11, built a network of more than 15,000 informants whose primary purpose is to infiltrate Muslim communities to create and facilitate phony terrorist plots so that the Bureau can then claim it is winning the war on terror.
Reminds me of the protest in Brussels last week. We were all marching along peacefully and in our midst you could spot thos small group - no signs, dressed in balaclavas - who had come for one purpose alone. Sure enough they managed to get the water cannons flowing. Whether agents provocateurs or just plain meatheads, they clearly weren’t there for protest pruposes.
As evidenced by the (edit) January 6 capitol hill "insurrection" - the elected government is nowhere near as pervasive and carcinogenic as the unelected government (police, CIA, FBI, to mention well known variants).
A binge watching of a season or two of Yes, Minister should be required political education for all.
"The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our lifetime," wrote Sir Edward Grey on the eve of the cataclysm that dealt a shattering blow to Western Civilization. It seems appropriate to use them here, after contemplating the widespread trampling of human rights going on in Europe.
Seems like anyone who suggest violence is working for the government. Just like how they turned the January 6 protest in to a death and violence - of course it was the innocent protestors and Trump supporters who were killed.
I often hear the same people bemoan substack, too. Wouldn't be at all surprised if they insert a few spicy actors to shut down this place, too.
Don't forget the "plot" against Whitmer. Planned, supplied, and prodded by the FBI, with two dupes brought along for the ride.
Excellent advice, thank you. I usually remove myself from anything where violence is suggested, but making a statement avowing one's non-violent position is more assertive (and instructive to others). Heeded.
Good advice but this is not a new problem or limited to Telegram. Feds have infiltrated every public discussion platform since message boards began. Anonymous servers were infiltrated to target WikiLeaks in 2010 and hactivist Jeremy Hammond who liberated the Stratfor collection was nailed by FBI snitch Sabu using IRC chat logs. The surveillance State sucks up everything and to assume you have privacy on any digital device is naive and dangerously poor opsec.
This is some crazy stuff. When I was stationed in Germany I used to hear my German friends (some) about how tired they were with all the blame from WWII, ‘it’s all behind us, it’s not like that could happen again, let’s just move on from the whole thing.’ It would see that maybe the blaming a particular individual - Hitler - or group - Nazis - may have blinded everyone to an extent. Do Germans, or anyone for that matter, really understand the METHODS employed by the Nazi’s to take power? We have lost focus on the HOW of the Nazis, which is evident when we have so called anti-fascists essentially establishing fascistic methods to fight…fascists. Or when, as you mention here, we allow governments to drum up fear and then further allow them to use special action via laws or decrees to solve a seeming never ending problem. The success for the West has been for not. We, especially higher education, have completely failed.
I would assume here too, no?
As always and forever, you should never fedpost online. Nobody who does so has your best interests at heart and you gain NOTHING from doing so.
I think this will be more pronounced in western EU. In the East people remember communism and how to deal during oppression. Also, learn arabic! There is a purely logistical reason 99% of all people targeted by "thought police" are indigenous europeans - much easier to run an operation when everyone speaks the same language. Imagine the logistics involved when 20+ suspects speak both euro-pidgin arabic and idiomatic arabic.
Fighting oppression is as much about logistics as anything - make control progressively more expensive and damaging to the powerstructure. This is actually easier thorugh peaceful means, hence the need to paint opposition and samizdat as violent and deranged.
Sorry, Professor e, I'm not gonna do that. Self-censorship is exactly what bad agents of the State want. I will continue to write and say exactly what I want to write and say.
I find the Telegram name quite disturbing.
General Paceka tells this story in his book Disinformation: in Russia, when they wanted to arrest someone, the secret police would come to their door early in the morning, yell "Telegram", and take you away in your pajamas when you answered.
The Telegram service was started by Russian engineers...