You are correct. The only path that makes constitutional sense is to do what was done in Britain and campaign seriously to leave the EU. Sellner and Eva are instead being directed into a tar pit - exactly what the EU intended when it created this malignant pseudo-"referendum" process to start with.
Yeah, coz voting to leave the EU worked out really well for the UK didn't it. Look at us controlling our borders and making our own decisions like it's 1826 or something.
It did work out. Britain now has at least two right wing parties that put the AfD to shame.
You are labouring under the misconception that leaving the EU is sufficient. It is necessary but not sufficient. EU membership kills democracy by making huge swathes of policy illegal. Therefore, no parties that exist at the time of leaving will have anyone in them who genuinely disagreed with EU policy.
Would Farage be leading the polls if not for Brexit? No. Reform's policies would be illegal. Farage would still be shouting listlessly in the EU "Parliament", another fake system designed to look close enough to democracy to distract the easily distracted.
We are still "ruled" by a political class and a civil service that are nudging us back into the EU fold. I doubt even Farage will manage to sweep the civil service clean of the stolid Remainers who will simply sit on their hands should he ever get elected. And we simply replaced European migrants who came to work with total foreigners who come to take what we offer. I see no sign that we are controlling our borders at all. I also see no sign that we are making any decisions that are for the betterment of Britain either. As for two right wing parties - well, one is simply Tory reinvention and the other can't even get the BBC to name them.
One step at a time. Their policies are now constitutional, all that's required is the political will and energy to implement the desired changes. In this, Britain is far ahead of everywhere except Switzerland. Look at what Eugy writes and recognize it's about Germany, that if not for leaving pathetic and pointless appeals to the EU commission would be what Brits would be doing too. The hour there is truly late but if any country gets out in time it will be Britain.
The next election will be huge for UK and the EU. If Farage can take power and turn the tide on migration in the UK, it will have a major impact continent-wide. This is because it will definitively show that migration can be stopped by governments, there just needs to be a party in power that is willing to do it. It's what happened in the US with Trump and illegal immigration. All of the constant claims from the establishment that only a "comprehensive solution" could solve illegal immigration all of a sudden disappeared once Trump proved that stopping illegal immigration was only a question of political will.
This is an astute observation. While we are still observing democratic norms, Britain is still not back inside the EU and nor is there any appetite outside of the chattering classes. Their attempts will just give more fuel to Farage, another advantage. So there is some hope.
But the hour is late. Very serious shifts need to happen. Although in Britain that is already happening with normal people as recent events have demonstrated.
Speaking of the EU and "1980s-era CDU" what did the World Socialist website have to day about those leaders, notably Ursula von der Leyen's father, Ernst Albrecht. As an American I'm not steeped in the lived experience of history in Germany but I'm curious what eugyppius and/or other German reader have to say about this presentation of Ursula's background and her father's leadership in the CDU?:
"In 1976, Albrecht’s book, The State, Idea and Reality: Outlines of a political philosophy, was published by the national-conservative Seewald Verlag. The work expresses his contempt for democratic legislation and the broad masses of the population, “the mob”, as well as his preference for Old Testament forms of rule.
“If we succeed in bringing people of above-average capabilities to governance,” he writes, “an autocracy or the rule of the few will be able to create a better order than the rule of the people”.
“The rule of the people”, he grumbles, “especially direct rule, is essentially such that decisions are not determined by the insight of the insightful (elite), but rather by the common average level based on the majority of the population”.
This mentality of a maturely ruling elite was associated with National Socialist mindsets in the Lower Saxony CDU. In the 1950s, the Lower Saxony CDU admitted into its ranks members of the extreme right-wing German Reich Party and Socialist Reich Party, as well as the national-conservative German Party.
In 1976, Albrecht made Hans Puvogel his minister of justice. During his tenure, Puvogel was particularly active in combatting notions of more liberal penal and rehabilitation systems. He had already set out justification for his stance in a 1935-1936 doctoral thesis. There, he wrote of the “inheritance of criminal tendencies”, of “constitutionally predisposed criminals” and “inferior people”, who would have to be “eliminated from the community”. “Only a person of value to the race” would have “a right to exist within the national community”.
The state government under Ernst Albrecht used every opportunity to court former Nazis. In a 1978 speech, Deputy Premier Wilfried Hasselmann (CDU) greeted the Association of Knight’s Cross Recipients, a league of former Wehrmacht (Hitler’s army) officers and SS men, certifying that they had “shown courage and given an example to others”. Hasselmann declared he was “deeply impressed by the solidarity of your order. You have fulfilled your duty as soldiers in an exemplary manner. This will continue to be evident to a younger generation”.
The Lower Saxony CDU member, Hans Edgar Jahn, stood as candidate for the first European elections in 1979. The 1943 publication of his book on European policy-making, The Storming of the Steppes - Jewish-Bolshevik imperialism, was seen to have qualified him for this position. The book predicts the final destruction of Judaism and the assemblage of the all “Germanic peoples” around a common hearth. “But even after thousands of years”, writes Jahn, “humanity and especially our youth will sound one particular name with respect and awe: Adolf Hitler”.
Albrecht’s daughter, Ursula, thinks much of her father, who is now suffering from dementia. In 2003, she stated in an interview that he was for her “a wonderful counsellor”. She said they shared a common “core belief”, which was based on “Christian and traditional family values”.
In 1976, Albrecht made Hans Puvogel his minister of justice. During his tenure, Puvogel was particularly active in combatting notions of more liberal penal and rehabilitation systems. He had already set out justification for his stance in a 1935-1936 doctoral thesis. There, he wrote of the “inheritance of criminal tendencies”, of “constitutionally predisposed criminals” and “inferior people”, who would have to be “eliminated from the community”. “Only a person of value to the race” would have “a right to exist within the national community”.
The state government under Ernst Albrecht used every opportunity to court former Nazis. In a 1978 speech, Deputy Premier Wilfried Hasselmann (CDU) greeted the Association of Knight’s Cross Recipients, a league of former Wehrmacht (Hitler’s army) officers and SS men, certifying that they had “shown courage and given an example to others”. Hasselmann declared he was “deeply impressed by the solidarity of your order. You have fulfilled your duty as soldiers in an exemplary manner. This will continue to be evident to a younger generation”.
The Lower Saxony CDU member, Hans Edgar Jahn, stood as candidate for the first European elections in 1979. The 1943 publication of his book on European policy-making, The Storming of the Steppes - Jewish-Bolshevik imperialism, was seen to have qualified him for this position. The book predicts the final destruction of Judaism and the assemblage of the all “Germanic peoples” around a common hearth. “But even after thousands of years”, writes Jahn, “humanity and especially our youth will sound one particular name with respect and awe: Adolf Hitler”.
Albrecht’s daughter, Ursula, thinks much of her father, who is now suffering from dementia. In 2003, she stated in an interview that he was for her “a wonderful counsellor”. She said they shared a common “core belief”, which was based on “Christian and traditional family values”."
Ok fair enough and you are right for sure but that doesn’t negate the other guys argument that leaving the EU is the indispensable first step.
Maybe the Germans will do it better. Maybe?
Not to be a prick, but Germany and the UK (Yookay) have a snowball’s chance in hell of survival. What you had is almost surely gone and not to be recovered. Your future is just sitting there right in front of you right now: a big pile of shit.
Albion is dead. Deutschland, Uber Alles: lol.
If it’s any constellation I am Canadian and we are worse.
To be fair, you are almost there. It did pull the curtains back to the normies that Labour and Conservative Parties are both just globalist parties and nothing else. It gave birth to the Reform and Restore Parties.
Do you think that is because the UK left the EU? It are the politicians who should make the laws and have them executed properly. But now all of Europe is doing the same, they should all have the illegals removed, and see if any of the legalized ones need to be repatriated. There are a few here in the US who still put 'the old country' first, and quite a few in government fancy the second country of which they hold a passport. You know which one that is.
Being part of the Globalist EU/UN/WHO/Nato group is working out real good---right? You still have electricity in your neighborhood. How much has violent crime increased in your area? Useful idiots abound.
If not for the self-inflicted festering wound of inviting the entire Commonwealth in, Brexit may have actually met the ends it aspired to on paper. Even if every EU-genic migrant went home, there's an uncountable horde of Subcons and Windrushers that made the "control our borders" selling point moot. That'd require a different mechanism entirely.
Boris Johnson had the opportunity to completely reform the immigration system. EU migration came to a halt, covid meant that many settled migrants went home, and there was a boom in job vacancies once lockdown ended.
Instead, the BoJo government opened up low-skilled visa routes, extended dependant visas to students, lowered the caps on sponsorships licenses, brought back post-graduate visas, launched a poorly vetted Homes for Ukraine scheme, and allowed Channel crossings to rise to an average 40k per year. Most of these were deliberate choices with downstream effects that were easily foreseeable.
Now we have the highest ever unemployment for the 16-24 cohort, our visa fraud is rampant, and for the first time ever there are more welfare recipients than there are taxpayers.
Boris has a lot to answer for. Sabotaging the Istanbul peace talks is another of his crimes. Flogging through the streets would be an appropriate punishment.
The political class have very poor memories but their repetition and the echo chambers in the MSM does seem to work for a short time.
As I recall history tells us the original genuine Nazis would not allow the Jews to leave because they wanted to destroy them all. The Wansee Conference formalised the objective and methods.
It is very odd to compare remigration proposals with a policy that banned migration.
What am I missing here.
In Britain the Uniparty is trying to portray Nigel Farage’s call for equal treatment for all as somehow extreme.
Meanwhile police admit their protocols call for differential (favourable) treatment of minorities while Lord Gove has claimed he is more right wing than Farage.
Maybe he is because on my definition Farage isn’t right wing at all. Meanwhile the rest of the political class here continues to use “right wing” as generalised abuse.
The idiocy which Eugyppius tells us about in Germany is total among the political class here.
This is mostly true. Farage is captured. But the British people seem to be getting close to utterly fed up. That means that the balance of power could shift radically in the coming months, with entirely unpredictable results. Doing what you can to keep the pressure on doesn't guarantee results, but it gives you a fighting chance.
Exactly, they shouldn’t engage with the EU at all, but instead they could also appeal to individual countries. I think Poland and Hungary have already some legislation limiting EU approved immigrants, and they should be empowering that language to be adopted by other countries.
They should just campaign in domestic politics to change the constitution to make EU law subsidiary to domestic law.
This would be a treaty violation but it doesn't matter. The law can simply state otherwise. If the EU retaliated it will lose as it has no army or police. Look at the totally ineffective response to the UK leaving. Shit tons of barking, zero bite. Idiots think there was economic impact, there was zero. The EU is a paper tiger. Kill it with fire, ideally from a cigarette lighter.
I was born in the USA in 1947 . My dad was born here . His dad was born here .
I’ll be damned if I’m leaving because of some low IQ barefoot Mexican ( millions ) . I will go down fighting although it’s is useless .
No greater example can be found that Proposition 187 in 1994 California. 60%voted to stop the flow of Mexicans with 40% of the Mexicans voting FOR . It got tied up in the courts and we got more Mexicans .
So voting means nothing except we DID get Trump in and progress has been made . I plan to donate and support any tough on immigration President ..Vance will be fine .
Remigration is never going to happen at any scale because there are too many weak-kneed "moderates" that fall victim to the "hostage puppy" trick where the media and leftist latch on to some story about children being separated from parents, etc. even though they know that large scale immigration has lowered their standard of living.
Hate to pooh-pooh the idea, but it ain't ever going to happen.
Best we can do is just eliminate more migration AND potentially make life unbearable for migrants by making the process the punishment for obtaining documents, etc to operate in society.
Making it untenable for migrants so they self-deport is the only solution that will work in the end imo.
Concentrate upon the illegals. As you state, the process becomes the punishment, welfare almost impossible, free transport back home with an allowance for resettlement, and off they go.
The USA has shown the way: Seal the borders, round up illegals and detain them until repatriation, and encourage self-deportation.
The figures speak for themselves. No new illegal immigrants. Five hundred thousand enforced deportation, and three million self deported in the past year and a half.
Even if the true numbers are slightly more modest, the deportation effort will begin to amortize over time. If the number of departures remains constant, each year that number becomes a greater and greater proportion of the remaining illegals, increasing their risk of being detained and deported. More of them will begin to see the writing on the wall and make plans to leave voluntarily.
Except that Trump shit the bed with his amazingly stupid attack on Iran, his continued support of the corrupt Zelensky regime, his family's insider trading, and the resulting impoverishment of the American people: all leading to his discrediting. The next election will probably see the Left return to power, and Vance has already decided not to run in '28. End of the Trump revolution. Thanks a lot, Donald!
That "war" has already wound down to a lot of posturing and a few desultory missile strikes. It won't be an issue. As far as the Trump revolution goes, don't believe what you're hearing in the mainstream media. Both left and right are beginning to understand that neither free markets nor socialism are the answer - both lead to tyranny and slavery. Trump seems to have revived Henry Clay's "American System" using tarriffs, tax policy, directed investment, and monetary policy which challenges the Fed and Wall Street and seeks to re-industrialize the country.
I avoid the Deadstream Media. But if you think the war won't be an issue, you're in for a big shock. The War on the Iranians has "wound down" because Trump is backed into a corner and has no options. The Iranians control the Persian Gulf, and the US can't do anything about it. The Iranians have destroyed all the US bases in the Gulf, and US ships can't get close enough to launch aircraft without risking being swarmed by drones, robot speedboats, and missiles. The US cannot replace in a timely fashion the munitions it has used or flushed down the Ukrainian toilet, but Iran has huge numbers of missiles and drones under mountains where the US can't get to them. Meanwhile Israel is stirring the pot by attacking Lebanon.
Trump is lying about "negotiating" with Iran. Iran says that until the US agrees to its demands, there's nothing to talk about. They are deadly serious. He should cut his losses and go home, but he can't admit defeat. So twenty percent of the world's oil supply, not to mention a huge chunk of fertilizer and other vital factors of production are cut off. Trump has been draining the Strategic Petroleum Reserves to keep our fuel prices down, but they will run out in four to six weeks. Then things will start to fall apart, and we will head into a worldwide depression made worse by overleveraging. Corporations won't be able to pay their debt obligations, so banks will fail, companies will go bankrupt, and unemployment will take off. There will be no "reindustrializing."
So expecting a happy ending for the Trump presidency is a pipe dream. He has discredited himself and the Republicans in Congress. The Dems will probably win the next election, and then they'll impeach him, probably successfully this time.
It's a start. 2.5M is still just a small fraction of what came in over Biden's term. In large part through my state. Sure, Texas got it worse because they have a larger portion of the southern border, but they also had a *much* larger economy to deal with them than New Mexico. *sigh*
And now there's a significant non-zero chance that we're going to get Deb Haaland as Governor. I'm going to have to do serious work campaigning for the Republican.
To practice your non-Muslim religion in a Muslim country you traditionally paid Jizya - a tax on non-Muslims. We should do the same. If you don't pay you don't get state services or protection, or most importantly - the pork exemption. No Halal for you! Instead of giving them money, they give us money. You can bet that once the gravy train turns into a slop cart, they will be gone in a month or two
I'm really uncomfortable about giving power to the State regarding religious practice. It's a bad precedent. Cutting off welfare payments, remittances, etc, ending DEI preferences, and closing down fake barber shops and nail salons would accomplish the same thing, and be easier to ram through as well.
I have *long* thought that imposing the Jizya on Muslims would be *excellent* reciprocity. Completely and utterly unconstitutional here in the US, but I have no idea if the EU has that same limitation.
Probably not since they don't have the same separation of church and state doctrine that we have here. Every European country has (or had) a recognized state religion. Many owe their existence to religious differences such as Belgium and the Netherlands.
European politicians are experts at over bureaucratizing everything, so just make halal food practically impossible to make due to 29 super expensive manufacturing/production steps needed to produce it, including state of the art equipment that costs millions for “hygienic standards”.
Ryan is my official spokesman, and I agree 100% with his comments.
Here in the US with the "Government" in favor of reimmigrations it lasted less than a year and even then, it was mostly criminals that got deported. You might be able to slow newcomers but the one's here will mostly stay.
The problem with the "make life unbearable for migrants" is that it always involves broad changes that also make it harder for employers to sponsor a genuine skilled worker, or for native citizens to bring over a foreign spouse. Governments need to acknowledge that the problem is people from specific countries and cultures. They need to actually be discriminatory in the processes they demand of people.
Nigerians, people from the Indian subcontinent, and other groups know how to game the system. Whenever there is an attempt to make life unbearable, as you put it (i.e., creating a "hostile environment", to borrow the term used by the Cameron government in the 2010s), the people from low-trust societies find ways to circumvent the new rules, while law-abiding foreign nationals from Western or high-income countries end up with more and more hurdles to overcome. The UK already makes it nearly impossible for an ordinary British citizen to bring a foreign spouse into the country. Once again, normal people are penalised because the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis abuse the spousal visa system.
Look at ICE in Minnesota and the weak-kneed moderate outcry. And that’s with Trump running it. Do you think you’re gonna get another Trump? That boys got big brass balls. Good luck finding another one like him. He doesn’t give a flying fiddle about what people think. You won’t be seeing the likes of him in the near future. No other politician has the chutzpa.
There's another scenario which I believe is more likely, and it's not pretty. The mass migration invasion will continue unabated, until the level of crime and disorder in some countries will reach a point where the formerly tolerant natives will lose their patience, and feel they have nothing to lose by turning to violence. There will be civil war and revolutions to replace their weak-kneed leaders, and new openly fascist, openly racist regimes will expel the invaders by force. There is plenty of historical precedent for this.
"Unfortunately, this problem does not come packaged with any easy solutions, and I am less and less certain a) how remigration is supposed to work, and b) that the newly ascendant and highly dogmatic remigrationists on the right have any path towards realising their vision."
Might I suggest shutting-off the money spigot? The 'new neighbors' will leave, costing taxpayers nothing at all.
Also, adopt the Swiss population cap, setting the total at whatever number it was before the 'new neighbors' arrived.
I agree that stopping benefits for asylees is one of most promising angles, but unfortunately here too EU law constrains us: No discrimination on basis of nationality is permitted by member states. So we're stuck paying random people who showed up yesterday.
Thanks for covering this angle too. I figured as much.
It's yet another solution to yet another problem that is actually quite simple to solve, but "half" the population won't do it for various reasons having nothing to do with the problem.
Even if it were possible to completely cut off immigrants from benefits, this would reduce the number of people with a migrant background only at the margins. Which is okay for me, but my impression is that many who support remigration dream of a society as culturally, and perhaps even ethnically, homogeneous as it was in the 1950s. That ship has long sailed. And immigration is only part of the reason, us Biodeutsche are also more individualist and more influenced by foreign cultures.
Yes. Some of the remigrationists are just the other side of the coin to the woke utopians. There is an idealised vision of society that they subscribe to and they think they can achieve it through pursuing some intangible goal like "ending inequality" or "reversing the climate crisis" or "mass deportations".
They don't realise that the utopian society they seek is not a rational aim, and that even if you enacted the solutions they favour, human nature, technological developments, and complex social forces -- they would all remain, and utopia would remain elusive.
OK, so, seriously, what's involved in just telling the EU to fuck off?
Like, what can the EU actually *do* from a practical perspective if the German government just stopped giving welfare to people who aren't at least *EU* citizens, and told the EU to eat shit when they started bitching about it?
Hopefully the UK will leave the ECHR, dismantle the activist NGOs that provide free legal services to immigrants, and we can once and for all start discriminating on the basis of nationality (because as far as I am aware, the Equality Act 2010 does not apply to immigration policy).
I was once on a plane to Brussels* with a deportee at the back, screaming and crying.
It's obviously not feasible to mass-remigrate large numbers of people by force over the distances involved. But the imagery and the discussion are a necessary part of the debate.
The practicalities need to be multifaceted, but talking about a 17-point plan is an even better way to be ignored by your potential audience than taking remigration remigration remigration. Most of those 17 (or however many) points are actually easily implementable. No welfare for asylum seekers. Tent or portakabin and 2 colds a day. No recourse to public funds until you have paid in for a minimal period of say 5 years. Heavy restriction of all migration from certain countries (we know which ones). Winding back the dual nationality provisions for migrants taking citizenship - and perhaps introducing some Swiss-style community input on naturalization. These are all legally doable without overturning the constitution, and without having to pack planes with unwilling departees. But they don't make good memes.
*: I will tactfully refrain from comment on whether deportation to Belgium might be considered incompatible with human rights.
there are simple things governments can do to make migration to europe less attractive. they could stop funding ngos which support illegal migrants. they could stop paying money to non-european citizens. they could stop translation services in all public walks of life. they could ban non-stun slaughter of animals. they could pass laws ensuring faces must be uncovered in public areas. they could stop funding welfare to dependents of legal migrant workers. they could stop providing work visas for any work that could be done by a native european. they could stop giving visas to student spouses and families.
however, governments can bring themselves to deal with the hypocritical smug fury that would descend on them from the woke middle-class Guardian reader who volunteers with the ngos or knows the producer of a TV talk show or is sleeping with the politicians. They can't bring themselves to do the work that would be required to implement any of those suggestions. Much easier to just call everyone else a right-wing fascist racist something-phobe.
The province of Quebec did something clever; they banned the wearing of religious symbols : no crucifix and the like. White Quebeckers may not like it, but they’re not about to move over it. But the real goal was to slow muslim immigration with the religious ones who insist their wives wear head coverings.
'As in so many other areas from Covid to climatism, retarded elite policies are failing and unwinding themselves, but we’re not yet winning.'
While agreeing about the not yet-winning-part, I'm saddened by how discouraged friend eugyppius sounds.
It's a process! Everything goes up and down, from climate, to life on earth, to the condition of Homo sapiens. One can only hope to enjoy one of the upswings.
Here in the US, we had a massive problem with illegal aliens but since the last election, that problem is dwindling in importance for a variety of reasons. First we effectively closed our borders to illegal aliens. Second we have been making a massive effort to deport illegal aliens. Third, we are clamping down on the ability of illegal aliens to earn money in the US, obtain welfare benefits or have bank accounts here. We have also jacked up our remittance rates because of the amount of money transferred by aliens outside the US. Violent crime is down because a significant proportion of violent criminals have been illegal aliens who have now either been deported or incarcerated. We still have problems here but the problems caused by illegal aliens is being ameliorated. Germany could do something about the problem of illegal aliens in Germany if they wanted to but they don't want to make the effort. Those millions who arrived in recent years have no intention of leaving voluntarily but who is to blame for that?
"Reality television and infotainment rely on the "new character" cycle because their model is based on manufactured drama and the consumption of novelty. Once a personality is exposed or audiences become bored, the "authentic" illusion fades, forcing producers to find new subjects who haven't yet learned to mask their flaws for the camera.
Traditional entertainment characters are scripted archetypes built for narrative arcs—think protagonists, mentors, or villains. Their purpose is to drive a story toward a conclusion.
In contrast, reality characters are functional participants in an environment designed to provoke conflict. They are valued for volatility and lack of self-awareness rather than character development. While traditional characters serve the story, reality characters are the raw material the story is built upon. Once that material is exhausted, it must be replaced to keep the cycle turning."
Yes, there's a current of "we can actually just do things" in the current online right-wing discourse that I'm not unsympathetic towards, but I think they're seriously overestimating the modern State's ability to move the needle in any direction, even in the (far from certain) case that they eventually seize control of it.
There are just too many people with fingers in the pie for real change to happen through formal mechanisms. It's not a coincidence that the people in power are the most insipid and unthreatening ones. Even Trump, who was supposed to be the firebrand, the outsider, turned out to be just a peculiar case of acting like a blowhard while doing much the same as everyone else.
Real change will have to come from the bottom up, like the third world immigrants are doing to Europe. There's a kind of power that comes from having nothing to lose and being willing to do crazy, stupid and evil things, power to smash through the polished glass panes of the established order, instead of waiting patiently in line to get in. Giving strong talks in conferences isn't going to do it. Without foot soldiers, every movement is just a scam for milking money from sympathetic suckers.
Early on in the Covid saga I realized that it was only going to end once a critical mass of people got tired of being insane. All our statistics, essays, jokes etc on the sceptic side counted for nothing more than self-comfort.
Ukraine Mania was the same thing, hampered by the fact that a large portion of the public is simply immune from giving a shit about foreign wars, and, unlike lockdowns, they could just ignore it.
Mass migration is the same thing again, over a longer timescale. The critical mass needs direct experience of living with third-worlders for substantial change to be on the table. The good news is that we seem to be approaching that point quite rapidly.
'All our statistics, essays, jokes etc on the sceptic side counted for nothing more than self-comfort.'
Self-comfort absolutely, but I find myself much less skeptical about the Overton Window concept. If the number of people objecting to the mainstream narrative is visible and apparent, that emboldens more people to express their own skepticism, which encourages even more—accumulating toward your critical mass.
I think it does matter. As someone who turned 180° as a result of the Covid debacle, it certainly worked for me.
It's only the economic cudgel that ever achieves any desired goal but as always you need to get a majority of affected people to collectively use that power. The Montgomery Bus Boycott was a brilliant strategy that worked. (And it's immaterial that Rosa Parks was an activist and not just a tired black lady; she represented the interests of a multitude of real, tired black ladies.)
It requires as you know no discipline to sign a petition but to be a purposeful consumer or refrainer from patronizing places that in a variety of ways work against your interests requires the exercise of silent will and that's just no fun for anybody.
Over here the Trump Administration is truly doing the Lord's work in removing to the extent it can, despite relentless opposition even from its purportedly own people, the economic incentives that lure and keep the unwanted burrowed in to every aspect of society.
With no European government willing to do that, it's up to individuals working together to create critical mass, and as you observe...
I agree. Unfortunately though in the US both parties have been so complicit in the destruction of the country, and so many people who consider themselves conservative still swoon over Reagan who opened the gates to hell on so many fronts.
Turns out that almost no one really believes in or wants to preserve our foundational values. They only like the parts that serve non-Constitutional agendas.
And yet, as I pointed out to a liberal friend the other day, the recent breakdown of voters is 25% Democrat, 25% Republican, and 50% independent, many of whom are disaffected liberals like me.
The Uniparty should take this evidence of dissatisfaction more seriously. Or maybe they are, but their method of attempting to deal with it is stupidly self-interested (evidenced by the last two Democratic "election autopsies").
Few things struck me more than eugyppius's pointing out some time ago that politics is war.
On the big issues how can there ever be compromise? Either one wants a certain type of country, or one wants a different type of country.
As I've said before my purpose in whoring out my integrity for the sake of the nation to vote for Trump in 2024 for the first and presumably only time was that he would destroy both parties as they presently are. Independents (as we both are) will take that opportunity to build something reasonable that adheres to our foundational values, or we'll let the malevolent idiots win. The problem is that independents tend not to be ferocious fighters.
Careful Eugyppius-as Sellner’s translator you are at risk as a co-conspirator, trying to overthrow the German Republic. As to unwanted immigration, two simple, initial steps could be taken, closing your borders and denying any social warfare benefits to those present illegally. What after all would the EU do to Germany if Germany chose to do this? But it would require a serious government. Merz’s continued presence as Chancellor indicates you do not have a serious government, which is what you have told us repeatedly. economics lead Britain to Brexit, perhaps illegal immigration will need Germany to.Dexit. Aren’t fantasies fun?
Closing borders is not simple. It's ridiculous. At least in a literal sense. Not allowing applications for asylum is a different thing. That would probably be against international law, but other than that, it's more feasible than closing the German borders. Even if we had the resources to put a police checkpoint on every road, all that would do is annoying the commuters. You could still easily walk through the greenery.
It's not about length. Isn't your border mostly along a river or in the middle of a desert? And as travel hasn't been free for a long time, I assume that there are not that many Americans who live in Ciudad Juárez for cheaper rent and commute to El Paso every day? I grew up post-Schengen in Aachen, Germany, and I always had classmates in school (and my parents had colleagues) who lived in Belgium or the Netherlands. After graduating high school, many of my classmates would go to Maastricht University half an hour ago.For a while, gas was cheaper in Belgium so we would drive there to fill the tank. Meanwhile Aachen's shops are full of Belgians every weekend for cheaper groceries and cosmetics. The region is deeply connected, probably one of the most integrated border areas to be fair, but not the only one. And when you go on a hike through the forest, you cross the border several times without noticing. Of course, Germany could build a new wall around the country, at huge cost to border regions. Poland is providing an example, they use barbed wire and land mines at their border with Belarus. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very costly and it would affect people who grew up in a peaceful, deeply integrated European Union. Clearly, administrative barriers to claiming benefits are preferable to physical barriers.
I agree. Fantasies about hermetically sealed borders are just that. I don't see how they differ from the fantasies of the covid maximalist public health zealors who thought you could prevent people moving between countries and thus prevent viral spread.
A modern society cannot shut itself off from neighbours. Europe is not New Zealand, and I don't want it to be.
Jared Taylor attended the meeting in Portugal . At American Renaissance he has been advocating remigration for 30 years .
Now to answer Eugyppius, since late January 2025 the Trump administration has been pursuing deportation aka remigration. Yes ,it is tough . But the Heritage Foundation and Steven Miller have been thinking and planning for ten years now on how to get rid of non-whites from the USA .
In 1970 Whites were 80% ( blacks 12%) . Today whites 57% ( 2020 census ) blacks 12% and the rest mostly Mexicans and Asians .
We are employing everything we can to get rid of the invaders . It is incredibly difficult as the judiciary interferes at every turn although SCOTUS is helpful,the lower courts make the process excruciating slow .
Fortunately we simply have to enforce already existing law . So we round up anyone illegally here and deport them . Trump has used his influence to pressure countries in So AMERICA TO accept them . Plan B is a massive build out of detention centers. After months languishing in one of those hell holes a barefoot migrant starts to get the hint .
We are cutting off benefits . No medical , housing , food stamps . These are all spelled out in US law but ignored by the Biden Cadaver . We found out that the Cadaver was giving low cost loans to the Great Unwashed to by houses ..Yes Wade a cross the Rio Grande and own a home .
We are trying to stop Juanita from wading over pregnant and spitting out a US Citizen on our shores . It is the bastardized SCOTUS decision from 1800’s that applied to blacks ( currently before SCOTUS) . Eugyppius is correct . It is tough ….but doable ..we need Vance to win in 2028
We have people of all backgrounds in the U.K. and that is not the issue.
People who have lived and contributed and assimilated.
The issue is mass immigration from countries with different cultures that put pressure on the system, don’t accept the British culture and like to import their cultural values. Such as Sharia law, Halal meat, exemptions from work for their religious beliefs during certain periods etc.
The issue is that through DEI the system does not work on meritocracy, but other characteristics, which creates an inherent unfairness.
Agree Myra. The type of rhetoric that talks about maintaining "white" demographic share and which describes all non-white immigration as an "invasion" is a dead end. This simply does not resonate with the average person.
Many (most?) of us have non-white friends, neighbours, colleagues and in some cases family members. We don't want to play identitarian politics -- that's the preserve of the woke, and why would we adopt their position, but in reverse? It puts dogma and ideology over principles. It's authoritarian by nature, and I despise authoritarianism.
Uh what rhetoric? I simply mentioned the long standing black percentage in USA . Assimilate ? Uh yeah ..they been here for hundreds of year and ARE America ..jazz sports entertainment. Whatever are you talking about . It’s the Mexicans and newcomers that fly the Mexican flag ..blacks fly the American Flag
You are correct. The only path that makes constitutional sense is to do what was done in Britain and campaign seriously to leave the EU. Sellner and Eva are instead being directed into a tar pit - exactly what the EU intended when it created this malignant pseudo-"referendum" process to start with.
Yeah, coz voting to leave the EU worked out really well for the UK didn't it. Look at us controlling our borders and making our own decisions like it's 1826 or something.
It did work out. Britain now has at least two right wing parties that put the AfD to shame.
You are labouring under the misconception that leaving the EU is sufficient. It is necessary but not sufficient. EU membership kills democracy by making huge swathes of policy illegal. Therefore, no parties that exist at the time of leaving will have anyone in them who genuinely disagreed with EU policy.
Would Farage be leading the polls if not for Brexit? No. Reform's policies would be illegal. Farage would still be shouting listlessly in the EU "Parliament", another fake system designed to look close enough to democracy to distract the easily distracted.
We are still "ruled" by a political class and a civil service that are nudging us back into the EU fold. I doubt even Farage will manage to sweep the civil service clean of the stolid Remainers who will simply sit on their hands should he ever get elected. And we simply replaced European migrants who came to work with total foreigners who come to take what we offer. I see no sign that we are controlling our borders at all. I also see no sign that we are making any decisions that are for the betterment of Britain either. As for two right wing parties - well, one is simply Tory reinvention and the other can't even get the BBC to name them.
One step at a time. Their policies are now constitutional, all that's required is the political will and energy to implement the desired changes. In this, Britain is far ahead of everywhere except Switzerland. Look at what Eugy writes and recognize it's about Germany, that if not for leaving pathetic and pointless appeals to the EU commission would be what Brits would be doing too. The hour there is truly late but if any country gets out in time it will be Britain.
The next election will be huge for UK and the EU. If Farage can take power and turn the tide on migration in the UK, it will have a major impact continent-wide. This is because it will definitively show that migration can be stopped by governments, there just needs to be a party in power that is willing to do it. It's what happened in the US with Trump and illegal immigration. All of the constant claims from the establishment that only a "comprehensive solution" could solve illegal immigration all of a sudden disappeared once Trump proved that stopping illegal immigration was only a question of political will.
This is an astute observation. While we are still observing democratic norms, Britain is still not back inside the EU and nor is there any appetite outside of the chattering classes. Their attempts will just give more fuel to Farage, another advantage. So there is some hope.
But the hour is late. Very serious shifts need to happen. Although in Britain that is already happening with normal people as recent events have demonstrated.
Speaking of the EU and "1980s-era CDU" what did the World Socialist website have to day about those leaders, notably Ursula von der Leyen's father, Ernst Albrecht. As an American I'm not steeped in the lived experience of history in Germany but I'm curious what eugyppius and/or other German reader have to say about this presentation of Ursula's background and her father's leadership in the CDU?:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/29/warm-s29.html
"In 1976, Albrecht’s book, The State, Idea and Reality: Outlines of a political philosophy, was published by the national-conservative Seewald Verlag. The work expresses his contempt for democratic legislation and the broad masses of the population, “the mob”, as well as his preference for Old Testament forms of rule.
“If we succeed in bringing people of above-average capabilities to governance,” he writes, “an autocracy or the rule of the few will be able to create a better order than the rule of the people”.
“The rule of the people”, he grumbles, “especially direct rule, is essentially such that decisions are not determined by the insight of the insightful (elite), but rather by the common average level based on the majority of the population”.
This mentality of a maturely ruling elite was associated with National Socialist mindsets in the Lower Saxony CDU. In the 1950s, the Lower Saxony CDU admitted into its ranks members of the extreme right-wing German Reich Party and Socialist Reich Party, as well as the national-conservative German Party.
In 1976, Albrecht made Hans Puvogel his minister of justice. During his tenure, Puvogel was particularly active in combatting notions of more liberal penal and rehabilitation systems. He had already set out justification for his stance in a 1935-1936 doctoral thesis. There, he wrote of the “inheritance of criminal tendencies”, of “constitutionally predisposed criminals” and “inferior people”, who would have to be “eliminated from the community”. “Only a person of value to the race” would have “a right to exist within the national community”.
The state government under Ernst Albrecht used every opportunity to court former Nazis. In a 1978 speech, Deputy Premier Wilfried Hasselmann (CDU) greeted the Association of Knight’s Cross Recipients, a league of former Wehrmacht (Hitler’s army) officers and SS men, certifying that they had “shown courage and given an example to others”. Hasselmann declared he was “deeply impressed by the solidarity of your order. You have fulfilled your duty as soldiers in an exemplary manner. This will continue to be evident to a younger generation”.
The Lower Saxony CDU member, Hans Edgar Jahn, stood as candidate for the first European elections in 1979. The 1943 publication of his book on European policy-making, The Storming of the Steppes - Jewish-Bolshevik imperialism, was seen to have qualified him for this position. The book predicts the final destruction of Judaism and the assemblage of the all “Germanic peoples” around a common hearth. “But even after thousands of years”, writes Jahn, “humanity and especially our youth will sound one particular name with respect and awe: Adolf Hitler”.
Albrecht’s daughter, Ursula, thinks much of her father, who is now suffering from dementia. In 2003, she stated in an interview that he was for her “a wonderful counsellor”. She said they shared a common “core belief”, which was based on “Christian and traditional family values”.
In 1976, Albrecht made Hans Puvogel his minister of justice. During his tenure, Puvogel was particularly active in combatting notions of more liberal penal and rehabilitation systems. He had already set out justification for his stance in a 1935-1936 doctoral thesis. There, he wrote of the “inheritance of criminal tendencies”, of “constitutionally predisposed criminals” and “inferior people”, who would have to be “eliminated from the community”. “Only a person of value to the race” would have “a right to exist within the national community”.
The state government under Ernst Albrecht used every opportunity to court former Nazis. In a 1978 speech, Deputy Premier Wilfried Hasselmann (CDU) greeted the Association of Knight’s Cross Recipients, a league of former Wehrmacht (Hitler’s army) officers and SS men, certifying that they had “shown courage and given an example to others”. Hasselmann declared he was “deeply impressed by the solidarity of your order. You have fulfilled your duty as soldiers in an exemplary manner. This will continue to be evident to a younger generation”.
The Lower Saxony CDU member, Hans Edgar Jahn, stood as candidate for the first European elections in 1979. The 1943 publication of his book on European policy-making, The Storming of the Steppes - Jewish-Bolshevik imperialism, was seen to have qualified him for this position. The book predicts the final destruction of Judaism and the assemblage of the all “Germanic peoples” around a common hearth. “But even after thousands of years”, writes Jahn, “humanity and especially our youth will sound one particular name with respect and awe: Adolf Hitler”.
Albrecht’s daughter, Ursula, thinks much of her father, who is now suffering from dementia. In 2003, she stated in an interview that he was for her “a wonderful counsellor”. She said they shared a common “core belief”, which was based on “Christian and traditional family values”."
Ok fair enough and you are right for sure but that doesn’t negate the other guys argument that leaving the EU is the indispensable first step.
Maybe the Germans will do it better. Maybe?
Not to be a prick, but Germany and the UK (Yookay) have a snowball’s chance in hell of survival. What you had is almost surely gone and not to be recovered. Your future is just sitting there right in front of you right now: a big pile of shit.
Albion is dead. Deutschland, Uber Alles: lol.
If it’s any constellation I am Canadian and we are worse.
Boy you sure are worse... but not by much.
'Can't even get the BBC to name them'.
Yes but that's not the path to victory. By the time they are naming you it is because you already won and their wives mentioned you during sex.
Thanks for the giggles. You make a good point.
"Yes, Minister" was excellent and accurate social commentary.
100%.
To be fair, you are almost there. It did pull the curtains back to the normies that Labour and Conservative Parties are both just globalist parties and nothing else. It gave birth to the Reform and Restore Parties.
Do you think that is because the UK left the EU? It are the politicians who should make the laws and have them executed properly. But now all of Europe is doing the same, they should all have the illegals removed, and see if any of the legalized ones need to be repatriated. There are a few here in the US who still put 'the old country' first, and quite a few in government fancy the second country of which they hold a passport. You know which one that is.
Being part of the Globalist EU/UN/WHO/Nato group is working out real good---right? You still have electricity in your neighborhood. How much has violent crime increased in your area? Useful idiots abound.
If not for the self-inflicted festering wound of inviting the entire Commonwealth in, Brexit may have actually met the ends it aspired to on paper. Even if every EU-genic migrant went home, there's an uncountable horde of Subcons and Windrushers that made the "control our borders" selling point moot. That'd require a different mechanism entirely.
Boris Johnson had the opportunity to completely reform the immigration system. EU migration came to a halt, covid meant that many settled migrants went home, and there was a boom in job vacancies once lockdown ended.
Instead, the BoJo government opened up low-skilled visa routes, extended dependant visas to students, lowered the caps on sponsorships licenses, brought back post-graduate visas, launched a poorly vetted Homes for Ukraine scheme, and allowed Channel crossings to rise to an average 40k per year. Most of these were deliberate choices with downstream effects that were easily foreseeable.
Now we have the highest ever unemployment for the 16-24 cohort, our visa fraud is rampant, and for the first time ever there are more welfare recipients than there are taxpayers.
Boris has a lot to answer for. Sabotaging the Istanbul peace talks is another of his crimes. Flogging through the streets would be an appropriate punishment.
The political class have very poor memories but their repetition and the echo chambers in the MSM does seem to work for a short time.
As I recall history tells us the original genuine Nazis would not allow the Jews to leave because they wanted to destroy them all. The Wansee Conference formalised the objective and methods.
It is very odd to compare remigration proposals with a policy that banned migration.
What am I missing here.
In Britain the Uniparty is trying to portray Nigel Farage’s call for equal treatment for all as somehow extreme.
Meanwhile police admit their protocols call for differential (favourable) treatment of minorities while Lord Gove has claimed he is more right wing than Farage.
Maybe he is because on my definition Farage isn’t right wing at all. Meanwhile the rest of the political class here continues to use “right wing” as generalised abuse.
The idiocy which Eugyppius tells us about in Germany is total among the political class here.
This is mostly true. Farage is captured. But the British people seem to be getting close to utterly fed up. That means that the balance of power could shift radically in the coming months, with entirely unpredictable results. Doing what you can to keep the pressure on doesn't guarantee results, but it gives you a fighting chance.
Exactly, they shouldn’t engage with the EU at all, but instead they could also appeal to individual countries. I think Poland and Hungary have already some legislation limiting EU approved immigrants, and they should be empowering that language to be adopted by other countries.
They should just campaign in domestic politics to change the constitution to make EU law subsidiary to domestic law.
This would be a treaty violation but it doesn't matter. The law can simply state otherwise. If the EU retaliated it will lose as it has no army or police. Look at the totally ineffective response to the UK leaving. Shit tons of barking, zero bite. Idiots think there was economic impact, there was zero. The EU is a paper tiger. Kill it with fire, ideally from a cigarette lighter.
Brussels is already on fire, from what I saw from footage this week, lol
that is terrible. traumatising.
I lived there for a year or two while my parents were living Wezembeek-Oppem. I am shocked but not shocked. Belgium is weak.
To make it stick you'll have to hunt down the EU courtiers and gibbet them.
Your terms are acceptable. More than.
I was born in the USA in 1947 . My dad was born here . His dad was born here .
I’ll be damned if I’m leaving because of some low IQ barefoot Mexican ( millions ) . I will go down fighting although it’s is useless .
No greater example can be found that Proposition 187 in 1994 California. 60%voted to stop the flow of Mexicans with 40% of the Mexicans voting FOR . It got tied up in the courts and we got more Mexicans .
So voting means nothing except we DID get Trump in and progress has been made . I plan to donate and support any tough on immigration President ..Vance will be fine .
Yes, the existence of the EU is the primary mistake which must be corrected to correct the follow-on effects.
Hungary and Poland are doing a far better job than the UK despite being in the EU.
Remigration is never going to happen at any scale because there are too many weak-kneed "moderates" that fall victim to the "hostage puppy" trick where the media and leftist latch on to some story about children being separated from parents, etc. even though they know that large scale immigration has lowered their standard of living.
Hate to pooh-pooh the idea, but it ain't ever going to happen.
Best we can do is just eliminate more migration AND potentially make life unbearable for migrants by making the process the punishment for obtaining documents, etc to operate in society.
Making it untenable for migrants so they self-deport is the only solution that will work in the end imo.
Exactly.
Concentrate upon the illegals. As you state, the process becomes the punishment, welfare almost impossible, free transport back home with an allowance for resettlement, and off they go.
The USA has shown the way: Seal the borders, round up illegals and detain them until repatriation, and encourage self-deportation.
The figures speak for themselves. No new illegal immigrants. Five hundred thousand enforced deportation, and three million self deported in the past year and a half.
Ross, thank you for that. Are you sure of those numbers? I hope you are right. That is tremendously good news.
Slight correction.
The White House put out a statement 20January 2026 that there were no border crossings in the first year, and three million deportations.
Apparently the five hundred enforced were part of that total. There were two and a half million who self deported.
Still amazing totals, and it will only improve from here.
Interestingly across the nation, crime is down, and housing crisis easing.
Who would have expected that? Heh.
Even if the true numbers are slightly more modest, the deportation effort will begin to amortize over time. If the number of departures remains constant, each year that number becomes a greater and greater proportion of the remaining illegals, increasing their risk of being detained and deported. More of them will begin to see the writing on the wall and make plans to leave voluntarily.
Yeah. Terrific.
Except that Trump shit the bed with his amazingly stupid attack on Iran, his continued support of the corrupt Zelensky regime, his family's insider trading, and the resulting impoverishment of the American people: all leading to his discrediting. The next election will probably see the Left return to power, and Vance has already decided not to run in '28. End of the Trump revolution. Thanks a lot, Donald!
That "war" has already wound down to a lot of posturing and a few desultory missile strikes. It won't be an issue. As far as the Trump revolution goes, don't believe what you're hearing in the mainstream media. Both left and right are beginning to understand that neither free markets nor socialism are the answer - both lead to tyranny and slavery. Trump seems to have revived Henry Clay's "American System" using tarriffs, tax policy, directed investment, and monetary policy which challenges the Fed and Wall Street and seeks to re-industrialize the country.
I avoid the Deadstream Media. But if you think the war won't be an issue, you're in for a big shock. The War on the Iranians has "wound down" because Trump is backed into a corner and has no options. The Iranians control the Persian Gulf, and the US can't do anything about it. The Iranians have destroyed all the US bases in the Gulf, and US ships can't get close enough to launch aircraft without risking being swarmed by drones, robot speedboats, and missiles. The US cannot replace in a timely fashion the munitions it has used or flushed down the Ukrainian toilet, but Iran has huge numbers of missiles and drones under mountains where the US can't get to them. Meanwhile Israel is stirring the pot by attacking Lebanon.
Trump is lying about "negotiating" with Iran. Iran says that until the US agrees to its demands, there's nothing to talk about. They are deadly serious. He should cut his losses and go home, but he can't admit defeat. So twenty percent of the world's oil supply, not to mention a huge chunk of fertilizer and other vital factors of production are cut off. Trump has been draining the Strategic Petroleum Reserves to keep our fuel prices down, but they will run out in four to six weeks. Then things will start to fall apart, and we will head into a worldwide depression made worse by overleveraging. Corporations won't be able to pay their debt obligations, so banks will fail, companies will go bankrupt, and unemployment will take off. There will be no "reindustrializing."
So expecting a happy ending for the Trump presidency is a pipe dream. He has discredited himself and the Republicans in Congress. The Dems will probably win the next election, and then they'll impeach him, probably successfully this time.
It's a start. 2.5M is still just a small fraction of what came in over Biden's term. In large part through my state. Sure, Texas got it worse because they have a larger portion of the southern border, but they also had a *much* larger economy to deal with them than New Mexico. *sigh*
And now there's a significant non-zero chance that we're going to get Deb Haaland as Governor. I'm going to have to do serious work campaigning for the Republican.
Just ban islam. Problem solved. Or start with banning halal slaughter and cracking down on mosques that preaches hate.
Put a tax on Muslims - 10%. They do this to non-Muslims in Muslim countries. I'm a big fan of reciprocity.
Reciprocity Kertch, how about retributive justice? It has a nice sound, doesn’t it?
To practice your non-Muslim religion in a Muslim country you traditionally paid Jizya - a tax on non-Muslims. We should do the same. If you don't pay you don't get state services or protection, or most importantly - the pork exemption. No Halal for you! Instead of giving them money, they give us money. You can bet that once the gravy train turns into a slop cart, they will be gone in a month or two
I'm really uncomfortable about giving power to the State regarding religious practice. It's a bad precedent. Cutting off welfare payments, remittances, etc, ending DEI preferences, and closing down fake barber shops and nail salons would accomplish the same thing, and be easier to ram through as well.
Good idea
I have *long* thought that imposing the Jizya on Muslims would be *excellent* reciprocity. Completely and utterly unconstitutional here in the US, but I have no idea if the EU has that same limitation.
Probably not since they don't have the same separation of church and state doctrine that we have here. Every European country has (or had) a recognized state religion. Many owe their existence to religious differences such as Belgium and the Netherlands.
European politicians are experts at over bureaucratizing everything, so just make halal food practically impossible to make due to 29 super expensive manufacturing/production steps needed to produce it, including state of the art equipment that costs millions for “hygienic standards”.
Death by a thousand paper cuts 😄
Let PETA loose on them.
And eat more 🥓...
Encouraging self-deportation is not at odds with remigration. In fact, its just one of the different forms of remigration that Sellner considers.
Yup. You are right. I should've clarified "forced" remigration
Yeah let cause a civil war and destroy people life for being brown and I m sure that is very moral and intelligent.Retard
We already are in a civil war. Remigration is the answer on how to resolve it.
I find it funny also that you imply that you having to live among your own kind would destroy your life. Lol.
No my kind are retards and I am disabled even so yeah i would be kinda dead lol.I like being in europe.
Ryan is my official spokesman, and I agree 100% with his comments.
Here in the US with the "Government" in favor of reimmigrations it lasted less than a year and even then, it was mostly criminals that got deported. You might be able to slow newcomers but the one's here will mostly stay.
The problem with the "make life unbearable for migrants" is that it always involves broad changes that also make it harder for employers to sponsor a genuine skilled worker, or for native citizens to bring over a foreign spouse. Governments need to acknowledge that the problem is people from specific countries and cultures. They need to actually be discriminatory in the processes they demand of people.
Nigerians, people from the Indian subcontinent, and other groups know how to game the system. Whenever there is an attempt to make life unbearable, as you put it (i.e., creating a "hostile environment", to borrow the term used by the Cameron government in the 2010s), the people from low-trust societies find ways to circumvent the new rules, while law-abiding foreign nationals from Western or high-income countries end up with more and more hurdles to overcome. The UK already makes it nearly impossible for an ordinary British citizen to bring a foreign spouse into the country. Once again, normal people are penalised because the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis abuse the spousal visa system.
> also make it harder for employers
> to sponsor a genuine skilled worker,
That is a feature, not a bug. Here in the US our H-1B visa program is an immense scam.
Yup Ryan G is the voice of practical reason.
Look at ICE in Minnesota and the weak-kneed moderate outcry. And that’s with Trump running it. Do you think you’re gonna get another Trump? That boys got big brass balls. Good luck finding another one like him. He doesn’t give a flying fiddle about what people think. You won’t be seeing the likes of him in the near future. No other politician has the chutzpa.
Both stick and carrot can incent. Imo opinion it is worth printing some money to give them if they leave and stay out.
There's another scenario which I believe is more likely, and it's not pretty. The mass migration invasion will continue unabated, until the level of crime and disorder in some countries will reach a point where the formerly tolerant natives will lose their patience, and feel they have nothing to lose by turning to violence. There will be civil war and revolutions to replace their weak-kneed leaders, and new openly fascist, openly racist regimes will expel the invaders by force. There is plenty of historical precedent for this.
See Ireland. Migroids attempting to decapitate people with dull knives might sharpen the senses of a lumbering public....
Self-deportation is one way that does work, especially if they are paid to leave, or have their flight paid for.
"Unfortunately, this problem does not come packaged with any easy solutions, and I am less and less certain a) how remigration is supposed to work, and b) that the newly ascendant and highly dogmatic remigrationists on the right have any path towards realising their vision."
Might I suggest shutting-off the money spigot? The 'new neighbors' will leave, costing taxpayers nothing at all.
Also, adopt the Swiss population cap, setting the total at whatever number it was before the 'new neighbors' arrived.
I agree that stopping benefits for asylees is one of most promising angles, but unfortunately here too EU law constrains us: No discrimination on basis of nationality is permitted by member states. So we're stuck paying random people who showed up yesterday.
Thanks for covering this angle too. I figured as much.
It's yet another solution to yet another problem that is actually quite simple to solve, but "half" the population won't do it for various reasons having nothing to do with the problem.
"EU law"
My American translation: "our globalist overlords have our balls in a vice."
Funny too how they disarmed you, in advance. Or do you still have guns?
I can't keep up.
Even if it were possible to completely cut off immigrants from benefits, this would reduce the number of people with a migrant background only at the margins. Which is okay for me, but my impression is that many who support remigration dream of a society as culturally, and perhaps even ethnically, homogeneous as it was in the 1950s. That ship has long sailed. And immigration is only part of the reason, us Biodeutsche are also more individualist and more influenced by foreign cultures.
Yes. Some of the remigrationists are just the other side of the coin to the woke utopians. There is an idealised vision of society that they subscribe to and they think they can achieve it through pursuing some intangible goal like "ending inequality" or "reversing the climate crisis" or "mass deportations".
They don't realise that the utopian society they seek is not a rational aim, and that even if you enacted the solutions they favour, human nature, technological developments, and complex social forces -- they would all remain, and utopia would remain elusive.
I take a maximalist position assuming that it will never be achieved, but if we are lucky we might get half way there.
Also this, causing major globalist panic: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ubs-ceo-warns-swiss-population-cap-extreme-measure
OK, so, seriously, what's involved in just telling the EU to fuck off?
Like, what can the EU actually *do* from a practical perspective if the German government just stopped giving welfare to people who aren't at least *EU* citizens, and told the EU to eat shit when they started bitching about it?
Also, that's an absolutely fucking insane rule.
Hopefully the UK will leave the ECHR, dismantle the activist NGOs that provide free legal services to immigrants, and we can once and for all start discriminating on the basis of nationality (because as far as I am aware, the Equality Act 2010 does not apply to immigration policy).
I was once on a plane to Brussels* with a deportee at the back, screaming and crying.
It's obviously not feasible to mass-remigrate large numbers of people by force over the distances involved. But the imagery and the discussion are a necessary part of the debate.
The practicalities need to be multifaceted, but talking about a 17-point plan is an even better way to be ignored by your potential audience than taking remigration remigration remigration. Most of those 17 (or however many) points are actually easily implementable. No welfare for asylum seekers. Tent or portakabin and 2 colds a day. No recourse to public funds until you have paid in for a minimal period of say 5 years. Heavy restriction of all migration from certain countries (we know which ones). Winding back the dual nationality provisions for migrants taking citizenship - and perhaps introducing some Swiss-style community input on naturalization. These are all legally doable without overturning the constitution, and without having to pack planes with unwilling departees. But they don't make good memes.
*: I will tactfully refrain from comment on whether deportation to Belgium might be considered incompatible with human rights.
there are simple things governments can do to make migration to europe less attractive. they could stop funding ngos which support illegal migrants. they could stop paying money to non-european citizens. they could stop translation services in all public walks of life. they could ban non-stun slaughter of animals. they could pass laws ensuring faces must be uncovered in public areas. they could stop funding welfare to dependents of legal migrant workers. they could stop providing work visas for any work that could be done by a native european. they could stop giving visas to student spouses and families.
however, governments can bring themselves to deal with the hypocritical smug fury that would descend on them from the woke middle-class Guardian reader who volunteers with the ngos or knows the producer of a TV talk show or is sleeping with the politicians. They can't bring themselves to do the work that would be required to implement any of those suggestions. Much easier to just call everyone else a right-wing fascist racist something-phobe.
In short, they can be Switzerland.
Stuffy: 🎯
The province of Quebec did something clever; they banned the wearing of religious symbols : no crucifix and the like. White Quebeckers may not like it, but they’re not about to move over it. But the real goal was to slow muslim immigration with the religious ones who insist their wives wear head coverings.
Smart.
Great, let's being in illiberal state-enforced secularism because it might deter a few Muslims.
No thanks.
'As in so many other areas from Covid to climatism, retarded elite policies are failing and unwinding themselves, but we’re not yet winning.'
While agreeing about the not yet-winning-part, I'm saddened by how discouraged friend eugyppius sounds.
It's a process! Everything goes up and down, from climate, to life on earth, to the condition of Homo sapiens. One can only hope to enjoy one of the upswings.
This is not constructive but it gave me a wry smile. Someone posted (on Notes, I think) “Diversity is our adversity.”
Here in the US, we had a massive problem with illegal aliens but since the last election, that problem is dwindling in importance for a variety of reasons. First we effectively closed our borders to illegal aliens. Second we have been making a massive effort to deport illegal aliens. Third, we are clamping down on the ability of illegal aliens to earn money in the US, obtain welfare benefits or have bank accounts here. We have also jacked up our remittance rates because of the amount of money transferred by aliens outside the US. Violent crime is down because a significant proportion of violent criminals have been illegal aliens who have now either been deported or incarcerated. We still have problems here but the problems caused by illegal aliens is being ameliorated. Germany could do something about the problem of illegal aliens in Germany if they wanted to but they don't want to make the effort. Those millions who arrived in recent years have no intention of leaving voluntarily but who is to blame for that?
"Reality television and infotainment rely on the "new character" cycle because their model is based on manufactured drama and the consumption of novelty. Once a personality is exposed or audiences become bored, the "authentic" illusion fades, forcing producers to find new subjects who haven't yet learned to mask their flaws for the camera.
Traditional entertainment characters are scripted archetypes built for narrative arcs—think protagonists, mentors, or villains. Their purpose is to drive a story toward a conclusion.
In contrast, reality characters are functional participants in an environment designed to provoke conflict. They are valued for volatility and lack of self-awareness rather than character development. While traditional characters serve the story, reality characters are the raw material the story is built upon. Once that material is exhausted, it must be replaced to keep the cycle turning."
Stop giving them money and other freebies. Remove the incentives to be in Europe.
Yes, there's a current of "we can actually just do things" in the current online right-wing discourse that I'm not unsympathetic towards, but I think they're seriously overestimating the modern State's ability to move the needle in any direction, even in the (far from certain) case that they eventually seize control of it.
There are just too many people with fingers in the pie for real change to happen through formal mechanisms. It's not a coincidence that the people in power are the most insipid and unthreatening ones. Even Trump, who was supposed to be the firebrand, the outsider, turned out to be just a peculiar case of acting like a blowhard while doing much the same as everyone else.
Real change will have to come from the bottom up, like the third world immigrants are doing to Europe. There's a kind of power that comes from having nothing to lose and being willing to do crazy, stupid and evil things, power to smash through the polished glass panes of the established order, instead of waiting patiently in line to get in. Giving strong talks in conferences isn't going to do it. Without foot soldiers, every movement is just a scam for milking money from sympathetic suckers.
Early on in the Covid saga I realized that it was only going to end once a critical mass of people got tired of being insane. All our statistics, essays, jokes etc on the sceptic side counted for nothing more than self-comfort.
Ukraine Mania was the same thing, hampered by the fact that a large portion of the public is simply immune from giving a shit about foreign wars, and, unlike lockdowns, they could just ignore it.
Mass migration is the same thing again, over a longer timescale. The critical mass needs direct experience of living with third-worlders for substantial change to be on the table. The good news is that we seem to be approaching that point quite rapidly.
'All our statistics, essays, jokes etc on the sceptic side counted for nothing more than self-comfort.'
Self-comfort absolutely, but I find myself much less skeptical about the Overton Window concept. If the number of people objecting to the mainstream narrative is visible and apparent, that emboldens more people to express their own skepticism, which encourages even more—accumulating toward your critical mass.
I think it does matter. As someone who turned 180° as a result of the Covid debacle, it certainly worked for me.
'Unfortunately, this problem does not come packaged with any easy solutions'
In this context, the old aphorism 'putting the toothpaste back into the tube' is especially apt.
It's only the economic cudgel that ever achieves any desired goal but as always you need to get a majority of affected people to collectively use that power. The Montgomery Bus Boycott was a brilliant strategy that worked. (And it's immaterial that Rosa Parks was an activist and not just a tired black lady; she represented the interests of a multitude of real, tired black ladies.)
It requires as you know no discipline to sign a petition but to be a purposeful consumer or refrainer from patronizing places that in a variety of ways work against your interests requires the exercise of silent will and that's just no fun for anybody.
Over here the Trump Administration is truly doing the Lord's work in removing to the extent it can, despite relentless opposition even from its purportedly own people, the economic incentives that lure and keep the unwanted burrowed in to every aspect of society.
With no European government willing to do that, it's up to individuals working together to create critical mass, and as you observe...
The true benefit that will follow the Trump Administration is that they have shown in real time and remarkably quickly that it is possible.
Europe can be reclaimed. National sovereignty is the path. Governments must follow the people to remain in power.
I agree. Unfortunately though in the US both parties have been so complicit in the destruction of the country, and so many people who consider themselves conservative still swoon over Reagan who opened the gates to hell on so many fronts.
Turns out that almost no one really believes in or wants to preserve our foundational values. They only like the parts that serve non-Constitutional agendas.
And yet, as I pointed out to a liberal friend the other day, the recent breakdown of voters is 25% Democrat, 25% Republican, and 50% independent, many of whom are disaffected liberals like me.
The Uniparty should take this evidence of dissatisfaction more seriously. Or maybe they are, but their method of attempting to deal with it is stupidly self-interested (evidenced by the last two Democratic "election autopsies").
Few things struck me more than eugyppius's pointing out some time ago that politics is war.
On the big issues how can there ever be compromise? Either one wants a certain type of country, or one wants a different type of country.
As I've said before my purpose in whoring out my integrity for the sake of the nation to vote for Trump in 2024 for the first and presumably only time was that he would destroy both parties as they presently are. Independents (as we both are) will take that opportunity to build something reasonable that adheres to our foundational values, or we'll let the malevolent idiots win. The problem is that independents tend not to be ferocious fighters.
'It's only the economic cudgel that ever achieves any desired goal'
This!
Careful Eugyppius-as Sellner’s translator you are at risk as a co-conspirator, trying to overthrow the German Republic. As to unwanted immigration, two simple, initial steps could be taken, closing your borders and denying any social warfare benefits to those present illegally. What after all would the EU do to Germany if Germany chose to do this? But it would require a serious government. Merz’s continued presence as Chancellor indicates you do not have a serious government, which is what you have told us repeatedly. economics lead Britain to Brexit, perhaps illegal immigration will need Germany to.Dexit. Aren’t fantasies fun?
Closing borders is not simple. It's ridiculous. At least in a literal sense. Not allowing applications for asylum is a different thing. That would probably be against international law, but other than that, it's more feasible than closing the German borders. Even if we had the resources to put a police checkpoint on every road, all that would do is annoying the commuters. You could still easily walk through the greenery.
Yet we fascists here in Amerika seem to have closed a much longer border fairly successfully?
It's not about length. Isn't your border mostly along a river or in the middle of a desert? And as travel hasn't been free for a long time, I assume that there are not that many Americans who live in Ciudad Juárez for cheaper rent and commute to El Paso every day? I grew up post-Schengen in Aachen, Germany, and I always had classmates in school (and my parents had colleagues) who lived in Belgium or the Netherlands. After graduating high school, many of my classmates would go to Maastricht University half an hour ago.For a while, gas was cheaper in Belgium so we would drive there to fill the tank. Meanwhile Aachen's shops are full of Belgians every weekend for cheaper groceries and cosmetics. The region is deeply connected, probably one of the most integrated border areas to be fair, but not the only one. And when you go on a hike through the forest, you cross the border several times without noticing. Of course, Germany could build a new wall around the country, at huge cost to border regions. Poland is providing an example, they use barbed wire and land mines at their border with Belarus. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very costly and it would affect people who grew up in a peaceful, deeply integrated European Union. Clearly, administrative barriers to claiming benefits are preferable to physical barriers.
Isn't there a rather large body of water between Europe and the place most of these migrants come from?
I agree. Fantasies about hermetically sealed borders are just that. I don't see how they differ from the fantasies of the covid maximalist public health zealors who thought you could prevent people moving between countries and thus prevent viral spread.
A modern society cannot shut itself off from neighbours. Europe is not New Zealand, and I don't want it to be.
What is more costly, freedom from illegal immigrant invasion or social welfare for the invaders?
Jared Taylor attended the meeting in Portugal . At American Renaissance he has been advocating remigration for 30 years .
Now to answer Eugyppius, since late January 2025 the Trump administration has been pursuing deportation aka remigration. Yes ,it is tough . But the Heritage Foundation and Steven Miller have been thinking and planning for ten years now on how to get rid of non-whites from the USA .
In 1970 Whites were 80% ( blacks 12%) . Today whites 57% ( 2020 census ) blacks 12% and the rest mostly Mexicans and Asians .
We are employing everything we can to get rid of the invaders . It is incredibly difficult as the judiciary interferes at every turn although SCOTUS is helpful,the lower courts make the process excruciating slow .
Fortunately we simply have to enforce already existing law . So we round up anyone illegally here and deport them . Trump has used his influence to pressure countries in So AMERICA TO accept them . Plan B is a massive build out of detention centers. After months languishing in one of those hell holes a barefoot migrant starts to get the hint .
We are cutting off benefits . No medical , housing , food stamps . These are all spelled out in US law but ignored by the Biden Cadaver . We found out that the Cadaver was giving low cost loans to the Great Unwashed to by houses ..Yes Wade a cross the Rio Grande and own a home .
We are trying to stop Juanita from wading over pregnant and spitting out a US Citizen on our shores . It is the bastardized SCOTUS decision from 1800’s that applied to blacks ( currently before SCOTUS) . Eugyppius is correct . It is tough ….but doable ..we need Vance to win in 2028
I don’t agree with your white/non-white rhetoric.
We have people of all backgrounds in the U.K. and that is not the issue.
People who have lived and contributed and assimilated.
The issue is mass immigration from countries with different cultures that put pressure on the system, don’t accept the British culture and like to import their cultural values. Such as Sharia law, Halal meat, exemptions from work for their religious beliefs during certain periods etc.
The issue is that through DEI the system does not work on meritocracy, but other characteristics, which creates an inherent unfairness.
Agree Myra. The type of rhetoric that talks about maintaining "white" demographic share and which describes all non-white immigration as an "invasion" is a dead end. This simply does not resonate with the average person.
Many (most?) of us have non-white friends, neighbours, colleagues and in some cases family members. We don't want to play identitarian politics -- that's the preserve of the woke, and why would we adopt their position, but in reverse? It puts dogma and ideology over principles. It's authoritarian by nature, and I despise authoritarianism.
Whatever .
In California the white population dropped form 80% to 36% ( 2020 census ) to projected 31% ( 2030 ) .
There is no historical precedent for this rapid change .
Mexicans speak Spanish and fly the Mexican flag ..does that sound like assimilation to you .
You know …skip how “ Virtuous “ you are and deal in numbers and reality
Uh what rhetoric? I simply mentioned the long standing black percentage in USA . Assimilate ? Uh yeah ..they been here for hundreds of year and ARE America ..jazz sports entertainment. Whatever are you talking about . It’s the Mexicans and newcomers that fly the Mexican flag ..blacks fly the American Flag