There should be no 'public health', period. No one should make their living on this, because the interests with actual public health are inherently mis-aligned. Case-in-point, per the RFK, Jr. book, Fauci was a newbie at NIAID in the late 1970's and there wasn't much going on. Cut to the emergence of HIV and he rode that hobby horse into the ground to get funding for NIAID, to the detriment of HIV patients. Money grubbing bureaucracies and actual health are never aligned to help the humans and all of these three to five letter agencies need to be abolished.
100%. Public health is a fancy way of saying, tyranny of the self-appointed expert class. At best they should serve in an advisory role, issuing recommendations that free humans can either follow or not on their own recognizance. They should never again be allowed to micromanage our lives through regulatory mandate - a pathology which is much older than Corona lockdowns (the ubiquitous 'no smoking' signs that cover public spaces being the most obvious example of their handiwork).
Exactly. This requires that we take responsibility for ourselves but it’s sooo much easier just to get a jab, or two or three. On that note a old colleague of mind got his booster yesterday…in the hospital today with heart problems.
I don't think public health has anything to do with people being ugly. That is usually genetic. Unless you mean morally and spiritually ugly. Then it's part genetics and a lot of upbringing. Still not public health. If you're trying to say that all overweight people are ugly, then that's a matter of personal taste. Genetic and learned.
I think John C makes a good point about public health menaces indirectly causing many bad outcomes in people , including the “ ugly “ trait. Does anyone think these menaces make for pretty people ?
Having steered the population away from high protein (no carbohydrates) meat to ‘healthy’ alternatives like rice and pasta (all carb), away from animal fats to (toxic) seed-oils, encouraged ‘healthy’ salads which are not filling so inevitably result in snacking on sugary cakes, sweets and biscuit - now we have an ‘obesity crisis’.
If your salad isnt filling, you're doing it wrong. But then I eat salad by the mixing bowl. (and it doesn't hurt I'm a cook and actually put other things in it). :)
I've been gluten free for some time due to wheat allergies picked up working in bakeries. Whenever this comes up in conversation ( I rarely mention it, others ask me aboout it) the other person invariably says "I could never live without pasta/bread." My response it that there are decent substitutes, but it's funny, once you get over them- it takes about 4-6 weeks- you don't really miss them. It is an addiction of sorts, really.
I agree .Some call that Tetros guy ,the front man for the W.H.O. a doctor .I saw his picture earlier today and the man looks frightening ,like the leader of a Mexican gang . He is owned and paid for by Bill Gates . Now the W.H.O. is plotting to become the world health /sickness dictatorship ,overruling all governments of the planet . If that plan works out for them our extermination is assured . I would not let a ''doctor '' like that cut my toe nails . For me at 86 now, those events don't matter much ,old age will take care of that .For the young people I feel sad ,what future have they got ? Some may say that will never happen ,but look what happened so far .All the demonstrations and protests so far where mostly brushed aside by the evil forces .
I'm OK with no smoking in restaurants. I'd rather taste my food. But that is more about being polite. That said, the 25 foot injunctions and other crap are just silly.
There's a reason they started with smoking: tobacco has been divisive since the moment Raleigh introduced it. Some genuinely adore it and others find it noxious. There are almost certainly genetic reasons for that, as with cilantro.
But the bans were obviously never about health (who goes to a bar for their health?) They were about social control, or more fundamentally, about accustoming people to the idea that unelected, anonymous bureaucrats could simply ban a certain activity, with no democratic input and no means of redress. It was about getting society used to the premise that this was a valid way of ordering society; once that premise was accepted, the camel's nose was in the tent and it was just a hop, skip, and a jump to 'two more weeks'.
Historical note: tobacco, centuries ago, was grown in England in substantial amounts. James IV of England hated the smell of smoking, thought it was unhealthy, so be banned tobacco farming. This led to an increase in imported tobacco. So why didn’t he ban this and ban smoking? Weeeell… tobacco imports were subject to Customs Duty which filled the Privy Purse and Jimmy, a prolific spender, was hard up and needed the money. So as tobacco use and therefore imports increased, so did Customs revenue and as much as King James hated smoking, he loved money much more. As ever - follow the money.
I remember a older lady saying to me once " I don't smoke, but I love being with smokers, such a lively bunch of people" (or something similar). There's also the whole ritual of smoking (gives you something to do when waiting, for example). Now taken over by mobile phones.
I agree. Many bars and restaurants have no problem with providing smoking areas often outside of the main area but that wasn't good enough for the regulators who went on about needing a (you guessed it) a safe and healthy workplace) for the staff. This was never true because patrons could always order inside and take their food/drinks outside to where they were sitting. As an aside, here, they have ramped up the tax on cigarettes so much that there is a thriving black market. I've recently read that the medical costs associated with smokers is no where near as much as we were told mainly due to the fact that many die younger. (their choice, I guess!)
You are correct. Paradoxically whilst short-term medical expense increases, lifetime medical expense for smokers, drinkers, fatties is significantly less than virtuous, healthy people because the sinners die earlier and so do not live to require medical intervention fir non-related diseases, or require elder care. Their early death is also a benefit to pensions. I have to declare a dislike for smoking and so welcome no-smoking zones, but ‘live and let live’, I am for provisions for those who wish to smoke. But as you say, with ‘campaigners’ there never is enough - no matter what concessions they win, always, always, ‘it doesn’t go far enough’. And yes it ends up counter-productive. Increased taxes have encouraged smuggling and ironically a reduction in tax receipts. In some Countries, UK is one, packets must be plain (apart from garish illustrations of lung disease) and cannot carry the brand name. This has of course resulted in widespread counterfeiting, with product sold at lower prices. Put these two together and it defeats the original intentions, and encourages more smoking. I think Irish Republic has or will soon ban smoking in the street. Campaigners are agitating to prohibit smoking in cars with more than one occupant, and to ban it in homes where there are children present. There is an insatiable appetite for some to meddle in everyone else’s lives.
It's the meddling that sticks in my craw. It inevitably leads to unintended consequences, and leaves the world an uglier, shabbier, more joyless place.
It also seems to me that it very often answers a non-existent demand. Before smoking was banned in bars, there was a brief time when bars had smoking and non-smoking areas. The non-smoking areas were reliably empty; non-smokers in bars (restaurants are obviously a different story) clearly didn't care that much about second-hand smoke. Then there were the low-quality studies about second-hand smoke itself, which tried to make a minor irritant into an actual toxin. Didn't take long before the studies were revealed as bunk, but by then they'd served their purpose.
Look at the way that campaign unfolded, and you see the blueprint for what they did with Corona.
You think you need public health to provide advice about washing your hands. Come on you are ignoring the fact that we would have figured all the so called benefits you mention and some anyway without public health agencies.
The problem isn't public health making recommendations. The problem is them enforcing those recommendations as mandates.
The hand-washing example is an interesting one. It didn't catch on because public health enforced it. Initially the medical community was completely against it, as they thought germ theory was nonsense. But over time, evidence piled up, and it became standard practice.
If we'd had public health mandates in that era it's more likely they would have banned hand-washing entirely as contrary to The Science of the miasma theory.
Yes, but public health 'experts' 'know' that we need them to do it properly. When this covid thing got started, instructions sheets appeared in the restrooms at work with about 10 steps about how to wash your hands the safe way. I looked but couldn't figure out it out because they didn't make any sense then or now (like most of their instructions/guidelines etc)
And I'm sure you remember all those instructions on proper mask usage, right? Somehow they left out the part that the outer surfaces can become magnets for nominally harmless pathogens in smaller amounts. Too clever by far.
If nothing else, the abject cruelty, ruination & inhumane actions (& the terrible consequences of same) of global “public health” officials & politicians proves w/out doubt that this was never about “public health”
I KNOW! When the true believers were bleating only about wu-flu, I kept asking, what about everybody else dying of everything else every day???? It didn’t matter. And they didn’t have an answer except “but Corona!”
And not just dying but actually being killed, by failure to provide treatment, driven to suicide because of the emotional constraints of lockdown or despair over your bankrupted business, elderly people cut off from all contact with loved ones and just giving up, and then by experimental vaccines whose safety was unknown but now their lack of safety is.
There are pockets of good work in these agencies. I saw that up close and in person. But agreed, now that the potential for such massive abuse and fraud has been exposed, it should all be abolished. There are too many egos, too many there for political or profiteering reasons more than science and they all overstay their welcome. Term limits of 5-8 year contracts for the NIH institutes at all levels of management. Mixing of NIH with DARPA and biodefense goals and funds should be prohibited. Fauci created an empire for himself at a colossal scale for any government employee.
Mission creep. The initial concept of public health - sanitation, hygiene, food quality, food handling, co-ordinating response to outbreaks of contagion - was sound. However over the last 30 years or so, the line between public health and private health has been eroded. Now private health has been socialised, nationalised. It’s now ‘the Nation’s health’ as if a Nation could have an aggregate of the health of the individuals in it.
Your waistline and diet, for example, is a matter of public concern, therefore your lifestyle is a matter for Governmental regulation and intervention on an individual, personal level. The excuse is… the burden on the health care system. Sound familiar? In the case of the UK with its Stalin era State-run Socialist leviathan the NHS, your adjudged poor lifestyle is a strain on the public purse unfair to other taxpayers, but even in the USA with its dog’s breakfast, mish-mash of Obamacare and private insurance, your lifestyle is unfair to other policy holders whose premiums will increase.
But it is discriminatory. And it discriminates according to class. The lifestyles of the bien-pensants, those of a liberal persuasion - Winter sports, general sportng & fitness activity, for example - with the frequent trauma that goes with that, is an approved burden, but lifestyle of the Deplorables, the Unwashed, junk food, smoking, drinking non-approved.
Just this week in the UK a legal requirement has been introduced for catering companies of 250 employees or more, to put the calorie count on menus next to dishes. Apart from the absurdity of measuring calorie count with variable portion sizes and variable ingredients, what is the difference between a company with 249 employees and 250? Well most restaurants do not have 250 employees, so the legislation is aimed at restaurant chains like hamburger restaurants and others that serve low cost, filling food to the Unwashed. Go to a high-end restaurant serving meals with 10x more calories than burger and fries at 20x the price and there will be no calorie count on the menu - because the upper echelons don’t need to be schooled in lifestyle choices, the same sort who are mask and vax zealots.
Public Health England, the Govt agency, did a lousy job during the CoVid crazy, so got closed down to be replaced by the UK Health Security Agency. So now your health, my health is a matter of National security - so we know where that’s heading.
Calorie counting as a weight loss strategy disproven years ago. The keto diet scientists put that idea in its grave. So all this calorie labeling needless expense. If you interview the food companies they admit these counts are just guestimates anyway.
What floors me about the Senger book is that he considers stuff like that a "red herring." I very much appreciated Eugyppius' review on it, but find Senger's and Rintrah's blase denunciations of established wider conspiracy (namely, those they don't share). It's hardly wild conjecture, and it makes me not trust them.
Absolutely correct. The only way we avoid getting dragged back into the whole nightmare, as they're already threatening to do in the West and as is observably happening again in China, is to reject the premise that 'non-pharmaceutical interventions' are a valid tactic in any situation.
The way that happens is through savage mockery, yes, but it will also require simple, sustained non-compliant civil disobedience. Refuse to wear the masks, refuse to stay inside, refuse to close your business, refuse to pay whatever fines they attempt to punish you with, refuse to do anything they either ask or demand. Two years after 'just two weeks' it should be abundantly clear that obedience only results in more demands for obedience.
Let’s start at the airports. Stop fucking wearing a mask on the planes. If 20% of the people boarding the plane said no they would stop telling us to wear masks on the plane.
I haven't flown since the beginning of mandates, and I won't fly again until they're gone. I've driven hundreds of miles for business rather than fly. I enjoy helping the airlines lose millions as I know they could lobby this away if they wanted to badly enough.
I did it with my family and our small business. We did just fine. But even here is sunny Texas, with the freedom blowing in the breezes, I still have about half of my customers wearing masks. They have scared the black people and the hispanics so much, that they still wear these stupid things. I think most have avoided the toxic goo, but they probably frequent the free Covid testing tents regularly.
The blacks are a curious bunch. They clearly don't trust whitey when it comes to the magic science juice, which is wise on their part. On the other hand, they're clearly terrified of the virus and have an almost superstitious belief in the efficacy of masks to ward it off.
Early in the pandemic I watched a black guy walking down the street spraying himself down with air freshener while avoiding getting too close to people. Seemed like he thought the nice smell would kill the virus.
In Canada if you do't comply with their demands ,the storm troopers come arrest you go to prison ,than court and back to prison again .By the way if you do get out of prison your bank account may be empty .
Come on down… to our southern border. You can get a free phone, $$$ and a bus ride to a city in the good ol USA… if you are red pilled and a good hard worker and won’t vote like a snowflake, come on in… 🙏🙏🙏👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
After the first few weeks of wondering what was going on, it could have been a real killing pandemic for all I knew, and other than avoid others as much as possible the first time around, which was actually quite a delightful game, I did that (refuse to comply) the first time around. I still want to know if those injected are shedding and cause to stay away from them, which I want to do anyways. I will gladly not participate.
If you following along in January by the end of February you would have known it was nothing. It wasn’t easy but the data and information was available.
When public health went from suggesting and educating to requiring and mandating it was weaponized. The public will never trust or forgive. So the field destroyed itself.
BUT people are terrified on purpose by their governments - So they DEMAND masks, lockdowns, mandates etc. The authorities are only doing what the people want to make them feel safe. The UK govt spent 400 million - and it worked!
It sounds nutters, but Covid has occasionally caused me to question whether a laser focus on the microscopic world is even a proper concern of medicine to the extent it has become. It’s like now that we know the buggers are there, we are destined to try and delve deeper and deeper into the secrets of this invisible kingdom with our ham-handed methods, all the while feeding the insane delusions of control and manipulation this inevitably fosters.
I don’t know. Wash your hands of course. Of course. But one wonders...in the end putting the virologists on the back burner as you propose is needed may really be a problem of spirit, of humility and knowing the proper place of things I guess. Those lessons come hard to humans.
I'm not washing my hands often enough. I will even eat food from my garden without washing it. Well, I'll swipe it on my shirt. There are immunologists who insist the best immune systems are working a lot.
Ha! Good for you. The spirit of my comment was meant more to apply to the medical community where enhanced hygiene is essential due to compromised patients, skin integrity etc. but definitely, restoring the honor to dirt is essential.
That begs the question: how many of those "compromised patients" were the ones whose parents obsessed over sanitation, preventing their kids' immune systems from learning how to cope with nature?
I wonder this, too. Meanwhile, my baby has been sitting outside chewing sticks and leaves and eating handfuls of compost (it's gross coming out the other end. 😬) and my fingers are crossed she'll have an excellent immune system.
I recently ate a sandwich with my hands after being in a semi-public place and touching lots of things. I briefly wondered whether I should have used hand sanitizer first, and then remembered that for eons humans have eaten with dirty hands. There was also some pre-covid research on the usefulness of being exposed to these tiny critters vs growing up in a sterile environment. It’s called the human immune system, and our bureaucrats either ignore it or try to replace it. To the extent the vax does work, thanks also goes to Mother Nature.
CONvid has made non critical thinkers scared of EVERYTHING. Can you imagine this generation of children as adults? Growing up in the 1960’s and 1970’s as a child, we feared nothing. We climbed trees, played in dirt, ate paste (not me)-lol! We would have balked at wearing something over our faces (my parents wouldn’t have allowed it). My God, what happened?!
In the Hellish afterlife that I foresee for the Covid despots, Justin Trudeau will lead the amateur dramatics workshops. Attendance will be compulsory.
I agree that those who actually voted for Trudeau love him and would elect him again. Unfortunately only 62.3% of the population voted in the last election and he only got 32.62% of the popular vote. Not exactly a landslide. It is a skewed system that favors Ontario and Quebec while largely leaving out the western Canada vote. In a normal world he would never be voted in again but. . . . !
Oh. I know. More dirty political tricks. In the end the NDP got their limited victory for dental care for children under 12. But most importantly the provinces got little to no more health care funding for the provinces which is what they really need. A small victory for the NDP for a federal mandate that will take care of a very small percentage of the population that actually needs dental care. The NDP is crazy to regard this as a victory. Trudeau threw them a bone and they were suckered enough to take it. Wow. What a victory for the NDP. Free dental care for the population that needs it the least. They are all idiots and we the people that keep voting these people in are the biggest idiots of all. I am a history buff and quite frankly nothing has changed. We continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. To be honest at this point in my life, having inhabited this planet for nearly 72 years I have very little hope for our collective future as a species.
There should be no 'public health', period. No one should make their living on this, because the interests with actual public health are inherently mis-aligned. Case-in-point, per the RFK, Jr. book, Fauci was a newbie at NIAID in the late 1970's and there wasn't much going on. Cut to the emergence of HIV and he rode that hobby horse into the ground to get funding for NIAID, to the detriment of HIV patients. Money grubbing bureaucracies and actual health are never aligned to help the humans and all of these three to five letter agencies need to be abolished.
agreed
100%. Public health is a fancy way of saying, tyranny of the self-appointed expert class. At best they should serve in an advisory role, issuing recommendations that free humans can either follow or not on their own recognizance. They should never again be allowed to micromanage our lives through regulatory mandate - a pathology which is much older than Corona lockdowns (the ubiquitous 'no smoking' signs that cover public spaces being the most obvious example of their handiwork).
The USDA food pyramid is all the proof anyone needs that these expert class recommendations produce catastrophic results.
Word. Decades of public health have left westerners obese, ugly, ill, and miserable. All in the service of corporate profits and political control.
Ain't no money in healthy humans.
Exactly. This requires that we take responsibility for ourselves but it’s sooo much easier just to get a jab, or two or three. On that note a old colleague of mind got his booster yesterday…in the hospital today with heart problems.
Ya really!! It’s not like their advice or policies have helped humans in any way I’m the past!
I don't think public health has anything to do with people being ugly. That is usually genetic. Unless you mean morally and spiritually ugly. Then it's part genetics and a lot of upbringing. Still not public health. If you're trying to say that all overweight people are ugly, then that's a matter of personal taste. Genetic and learned.
I think John C makes a good point about public health menaces indirectly causing many bad outcomes in people , including the “ ugly “ trait. Does anyone think these menaces make for pretty people ?
Yup---ketchup is a vegetable according to these experts. They were a joke then and worse now.
Seems like I can place my favorite chocolate in the fruit department LOL
Having steered the population away from high protein (no carbohydrates) meat to ‘healthy’ alternatives like rice and pasta (all carb), away from animal fats to (toxic) seed-oils, encouraged ‘healthy’ salads which are not filling so inevitably result in snacking on sugary cakes, sweets and biscuit - now we have an ‘obesity crisis’.
If your salad isnt filling, you're doing it wrong. But then I eat salad by the mixing bowl. (and it doesn't hurt I'm a cook and actually put other things in it). :)
I've been gluten free for some time due to wheat allergies picked up working in bakeries. Whenever this comes up in conversation ( I rarely mention it, others ask me aboout it) the other person invariably says "I could never live without pasta/bread." My response it that there are decent substitutes, but it's funny, once you get over them- it takes about 4-6 weeks- you don't really miss them. It is an addiction of sorts, really.
Great comparison, all the fraud with the big food industry.
Precisely. "Experts" are well-paid liars that hide deceit in complexity.
"I am Deceit!"
~Tony Fauci
Agreed, IMO, most aren't even doctors; none of them care about 'The Science.'
I agree .Some call that Tetros guy ,the front man for the W.H.O. a doctor .I saw his picture earlier today and the man looks frightening ,like the leader of a Mexican gang . He is owned and paid for by Bill Gates . Now the W.H.O. is plotting to become the world health /sickness dictatorship ,overruling all governments of the planet . If that plan works out for them our extermination is assured . I would not let a ''doctor '' like that cut my toe nails . For me at 86 now, those events don't matter much ,old age will take care of that .For the young people I feel sad ,what future have they got ? Some may say that will never happen ,but look what happened so far .All the demonstrations and protests so far where mostly brushed aside by the evil forces .
I'm OK with no smoking in restaurants. I'd rather taste my food. But that is more about being polite. That said, the 25 foot injunctions and other crap are just silly.
There's a reason they started with smoking: tobacco has been divisive since the moment Raleigh introduced it. Some genuinely adore it and others find it noxious. There are almost certainly genetic reasons for that, as with cilantro.
But the bans were obviously never about health (who goes to a bar for their health?) They were about social control, or more fundamentally, about accustoming people to the idea that unelected, anonymous bureaucrats could simply ban a certain activity, with no democratic input and no means of redress. It was about getting society used to the premise that this was a valid way of ordering society; once that premise was accepted, the camel's nose was in the tent and it was just a hop, skip, and a jump to 'two more weeks'.
Historical note: tobacco, centuries ago, was grown in England in substantial amounts. James IV of England hated the smell of smoking, thought it was unhealthy, so be banned tobacco farming. This led to an increase in imported tobacco. So why didn’t he ban this and ban smoking? Weeeell… tobacco imports were subject to Customs Duty which filled the Privy Purse and Jimmy, a prolific spender, was hard up and needed the money. So as tobacco use and therefore imports increased, so did Customs revenue and as much as King James hated smoking, he loved money much more. As ever - follow the money.
"Some genuinely adore it and others find it noxious."
And , some of us have one foot in each camp. I love my cigars on occasion, but would dearly hate having to endure your cigarette.
I remember a older lady saying to me once " I don't smoke, but I love being with smokers, such a lively bunch of people" (or something similar). There's also the whole ritual of smoking (gives you something to do when waiting, for example). Now taken over by mobile phones.
I don't smoke except socially. The time my friends and I are out on the back porch or out in the alley are usually highlights of the evening.
I agree. Many bars and restaurants have no problem with providing smoking areas often outside of the main area but that wasn't good enough for the regulators who went on about needing a (you guessed it) a safe and healthy workplace) for the staff. This was never true because patrons could always order inside and take their food/drinks outside to where they were sitting. As an aside, here, they have ramped up the tax on cigarettes so much that there is a thriving black market. I've recently read that the medical costs associated with smokers is no where near as much as we were told mainly due to the fact that many die younger. (their choice, I guess!)
You are correct. Paradoxically whilst short-term medical expense increases, lifetime medical expense for smokers, drinkers, fatties is significantly less than virtuous, healthy people because the sinners die earlier and so do not live to require medical intervention fir non-related diseases, or require elder care. Their early death is also a benefit to pensions. I have to declare a dislike for smoking and so welcome no-smoking zones, but ‘live and let live’, I am for provisions for those who wish to smoke. But as you say, with ‘campaigners’ there never is enough - no matter what concessions they win, always, always, ‘it doesn’t go far enough’. And yes it ends up counter-productive. Increased taxes have encouraged smuggling and ironically a reduction in tax receipts. In some Countries, UK is one, packets must be plain (apart from garish illustrations of lung disease) and cannot carry the brand name. This has of course resulted in widespread counterfeiting, with product sold at lower prices. Put these two together and it defeats the original intentions, and encourages more smoking. I think Irish Republic has or will soon ban smoking in the street. Campaigners are agitating to prohibit smoking in cars with more than one occupant, and to ban it in homes where there are children present. There is an insatiable appetite for some to meddle in everyone else’s lives.
It's the meddling that sticks in my craw. It inevitably leads to unintended consequences, and leaves the world an uglier, shabbier, more joyless place.
It also seems to me that it very often answers a non-existent demand. Before smoking was banned in bars, there was a brief time when bars had smoking and non-smoking areas. The non-smoking areas were reliably empty; non-smokers in bars (restaurants are obviously a different story) clearly didn't care that much about second-hand smoke. Then there were the low-quality studies about second-hand smoke itself, which tried to make a minor irritant into an actual toxin. Didn't take long before the studies were revealed as bunk, but by then they'd served their purpose.
Look at the way that campaign unfolded, and you see the blueprint for what they did with Corona.
Public Health has transformed itself into a religion with followers, rituals, icons, and commandments.
You think you need public health to provide advice about washing your hands. Come on you are ignoring the fact that we would have figured all the so called benefits you mention and some anyway without public health agencies.
Precisely.
The problem isn't public health making recommendations. The problem is them enforcing those recommendations as mandates.
The hand-washing example is an interesting one. It didn't catch on because public health enforced it. Initially the medical community was completely against it, as they thought germ theory was nonsense. But over time, evidence piled up, and it became standard practice.
If we'd had public health mandates in that era it's more likely they would have banned hand-washing entirely as contrary to The Science of the miasma theory.
Yes, but public health 'experts' 'know' that we need them to do it properly. When this covid thing got started, instructions sheets appeared in the restrooms at work with about 10 steps about how to wash your hands the safe way. I looked but couldn't figure out it out because they didn't make any sense then or now (like most of their instructions/guidelines etc)
And I'm sure you remember all those instructions on proper mask usage, right? Somehow they left out the part that the outer surfaces can become magnets for nominally harmless pathogens in smaller amounts. Too clever by far.
If nothing else, the abject cruelty, ruination & inhumane actions (& the terrible consequences of same) of global “public health” officials & politicians proves w/out doubt that this was never about “public health”
Certainly not when ‘public health’ is concerned with just one disease as if no others existed and no other health concerns need be addressed.
I KNOW! When the true believers were bleating only about wu-flu, I kept asking, what about everybody else dying of everything else every day???? It didn’t matter. And they didn’t have an answer except “but Corona!”
And not just dying but actually being killed, by failure to provide treatment, driven to suicide because of the emotional constraints of lockdown or despair over your bankrupted business, elderly people cut off from all contact with loved ones and just giving up, and then by experimental vaccines whose safety was unknown but now their lack of safety is.
Not to mention murder in hospitals via vents & l destroying meds causing multi system organ failure….
Fauci has been the prime enabler of Pharma's capture of the regulatory agencies; that's been his baby.
There are pockets of good work in these agencies. I saw that up close and in person. But agreed, now that the potential for such massive abuse and fraud has been exposed, it should all be abolished. There are too many egos, too many there for political or profiteering reasons more than science and they all overstay their welcome. Term limits of 5-8 year contracts for the NIH institutes at all levels of management. Mixing of NIH with DARPA and biodefense goals and funds should be prohibited. Fauci created an empire for himself at a colossal scale for any government employee.
If they all should be abolished, then let’s forget about 5 year contracts and term limits . Mutually exclusive to me .
Mission creep. The initial concept of public health - sanitation, hygiene, food quality, food handling, co-ordinating response to outbreaks of contagion - was sound. However over the last 30 years or so, the line between public health and private health has been eroded. Now private health has been socialised, nationalised. It’s now ‘the Nation’s health’ as if a Nation could have an aggregate of the health of the individuals in it.
Your waistline and diet, for example, is a matter of public concern, therefore your lifestyle is a matter for Governmental regulation and intervention on an individual, personal level. The excuse is… the burden on the health care system. Sound familiar? In the case of the UK with its Stalin era State-run Socialist leviathan the NHS, your adjudged poor lifestyle is a strain on the public purse unfair to other taxpayers, but even in the USA with its dog’s breakfast, mish-mash of Obamacare and private insurance, your lifestyle is unfair to other policy holders whose premiums will increase.
But it is discriminatory. And it discriminates according to class. The lifestyles of the bien-pensants, those of a liberal persuasion - Winter sports, general sportng & fitness activity, for example - with the frequent trauma that goes with that, is an approved burden, but lifestyle of the Deplorables, the Unwashed, junk food, smoking, drinking non-approved.
Just this week in the UK a legal requirement has been introduced for catering companies of 250 employees or more, to put the calorie count on menus next to dishes. Apart from the absurdity of measuring calorie count with variable portion sizes and variable ingredients, what is the difference between a company with 249 employees and 250? Well most restaurants do not have 250 employees, so the legislation is aimed at restaurant chains like hamburger restaurants and others that serve low cost, filling food to the Unwashed. Go to a high-end restaurant serving meals with 10x more calories than burger and fries at 20x the price and there will be no calorie count on the menu - because the upper echelons don’t need to be schooled in lifestyle choices, the same sort who are mask and vax zealots.
Public Health England, the Govt agency, did a lousy job during the CoVid crazy, so got closed down to be replaced by the UK Health Security Agency. So now your health, my health is a matter of National security - so we know where that’s heading.
Well, one has to admit it's not as easy to eat fettucine alfredo everyday as it is to get 99 cent burgers at MacMeatly's.
Calorie counting as a weight loss strategy disproven years ago. The keto diet scientists put that idea in its grave. So all this calorie labeling needless expense. If you interview the food companies they admit these counts are just guestimates anyway.
New York City banning 64 oz big gulps.
That's stupid, but what is dumber is actually drinking a half gallon of corn syrup soda at a sitting. Extra dumb points for diet with aspartame.
My point exactly. I don’t need elected officials to protect me from corn syrup overdose.
It never occurs to the morons people can buy 2 x 32oz.
100% correct
What floors me about the Senger book is that he considers stuff like that a "red herring." I very much appreciated Eugyppius' review on it, but find Senger's and Rintrah's blase denunciations of established wider conspiracy (namely, those they don't share). It's hardly wild conjecture, and it makes me not trust them.
Absolutely correct. The only way we avoid getting dragged back into the whole nightmare, as they're already threatening to do in the West and as is observably happening again in China, is to reject the premise that 'non-pharmaceutical interventions' are a valid tactic in any situation.
The way that happens is through savage mockery, yes, but it will also require simple, sustained non-compliant civil disobedience. Refuse to wear the masks, refuse to stay inside, refuse to close your business, refuse to pay whatever fines they attempt to punish you with, refuse to do anything they either ask or demand. Two years after 'just two weeks' it should be abundantly clear that obedience only results in more demands for obedience.
I'm in. I will never submit again. I'm willing to literally die on this hill for all the days I'm sent.
So say we all, brother. So say we all.
We just need enough people to follow their fucking conviction.
Let’s start at the airports. Stop fucking wearing a mask on the planes. If 20% of the people boarding the plane said no they would stop telling us to wear masks on the plane.
I haven't flown since the beginning of mandates, and I won't fly again until they're gone. I've driven hundreds of miles for business rather than fly. I enjoy helping the airlines lose millions as I know they could lobby this away if they wanted to badly enough.
Agreed. I avoid flying at all costs, even with the modest inconvenience of long drives.
Me too. Used to fly 100,000kms a year. Now none. Amazing how I have adapted with only a slight adjustment in lifestyle and income.
I think a lot of us are.
Let's see.
I did it with my family and our small business. We did just fine. But even here is sunny Texas, with the freedom blowing in the breezes, I still have about half of my customers wearing masks. They have scared the black people and the hispanics so much, that they still wear these stupid things. I think most have avoided the toxic goo, but they probably frequent the free Covid testing tents regularly.
I see the same racial breakdown here, too, with the difference very starkly visible. It's fascinating.
The blacks are a curious bunch. They clearly don't trust whitey when it comes to the magic science juice, which is wise on their part. On the other hand, they're clearly terrified of the virus and have an almost superstitious belief in the efficacy of masks to ward it off.
Early in the pandemic I watched a black guy walking down the street spraying himself down with air freshener while avoiding getting too close to people. Seemed like he thought the nice smell would kill the virus.
I guess a lot of us have forgotten about Tuskegee… 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ 🔥🔥🔥
40 years to flatten the curve...
😱😱😱😡 nope…
Some people are addicted to masks:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsCHDdi_O4
In Canada if you do't comply with their demands ,the storm troopers come arrest you go to prison ,than court and back to prison again .By the way if you do get out of prison your bank account may be empty .
Come on down… to our southern border. You can get a free phone, $$$ and a bus ride to a city in the good ol USA… if you are red pilled and a good hard worker and won’t vote like a snowflake, come on in… 🙏🙏🙏👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Better submit then.
Savage mockery and simple refusal to comply… I like your answers! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
After the first few weeks of wondering what was going on, it could have been a real killing pandemic for all I knew, and other than avoid others as much as possible the first time around, which was actually quite a delightful game, I did that (refuse to comply) the first time around. I still want to know if those injected are shedding and cause to stay away from them, which I want to do anyways. I will gladly not participate.
If you following along in January by the end of February you would have known it was nothing. It wasn’t easy but the data and information was available.
Exactly. One the Diamond Princess data was out it was clear COVID wasn't an apocalypse.
Data schmata. All that matters is how you 'feel!'
Still wondering about the shed risk too
When public health went from suggesting and educating to requiring and mandating it was weaponized. The public will never trust or forgive. So the field destroyed itself.
BUT people are terrified on purpose by their governments - So they DEMAND masks, lockdowns, mandates etc. The authorities are only doing what the people want to make them feel safe. The UK govt spent 400 million - and it worked!
No virus could ever do what the politicians did to me . Maybe some day I tell my story .
Joe, I would really like to hear what you feel comfortable sharing?
Mockery doesn't only need to be directed at elites and public health officials.
I'm of the belief that most cults ultimately die of ridicule.
One can hope!
That became domestic control and terrorism not public health in its original intent.
It's not their fault, but they are our opposition.
AMEN
It sounds nutters, but Covid has occasionally caused me to question whether a laser focus on the microscopic world is even a proper concern of medicine to the extent it has become. It’s like now that we know the buggers are there, we are destined to try and delve deeper and deeper into the secrets of this invisible kingdom with our ham-handed methods, all the while feeding the insane delusions of control and manipulation this inevitably fosters.
I don’t know. Wash your hands of course. Of course. But one wonders...in the end putting the virologists on the back burner as you propose is needed may really be a problem of spirit, of humility and knowing the proper place of things I guess. Those lessons come hard to humans.
oh i agree. thinking about viruses is dangerous, it can make you crazy
You ,sir, are very sane. May God continue to bless you.
I am simple, and don’t have the words/education/knowledge of many of the others here who follow you here.
I can recognize integrity, wisdom and courage when I see it.
Your rewards are coming. I know it.
I'm not washing my hands often enough. I will even eat food from my garden without washing it. Well, I'll swipe it on my shirt. There are immunologists who insist the best immune systems are working a lot.
Ha! Good for you. The spirit of my comment was meant more to apply to the medical community where enhanced hygiene is essential due to compromised patients, skin integrity etc. but definitely, restoring the honor to dirt is essential.
That begs the question: how many of those "compromised patients" were the ones whose parents obsessed over sanitation, preventing their kids' immune systems from learning how to cope with nature?
I wonder this, too. Meanwhile, my baby has been sitting outside chewing sticks and leaves and eating handfuls of compost (it's gross coming out the other end. 😬) and my fingers are crossed she'll have an excellent immune system.
I think you are on a good track. You will have a strong, healthy child.
There’s an old Chinese saying, “What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.”
I recently ate a sandwich with my hands after being in a semi-public place and touching lots of things. I briefly wondered whether I should have used hand sanitizer first, and then remembered that for eons humans have eaten with dirty hands. There was also some pre-covid research on the usefulness of being exposed to these tiny critters vs growing up in a sterile environment. It’s called the human immune system, and our bureaucrats either ignore it or try to replace it. To the extent the vax does work, thanks also goes to Mother Nature.
CONvid has made non critical thinkers scared of EVERYTHING. Can you imagine this generation of children as adults? Growing up in the 1960’s and 1970’s as a child, we feared nothing. We climbed trees, played in dirt, ate paste (not me)-lol! We would have balked at wearing something over our faces (my parents wouldn’t have allowed it). My God, what happened?!
I let my toddler stuff all the dirt in his mouth he wanted to. This is some years ago.
Viruses are an important part of man kinds survival. Without them we could not survive and flourish.
Bravo. Spot on. "People like Neil Ferguson and Christian Drosten will be heckled all the way to their graves." Let them take Fauci with them.
In the Hellish afterlife that I foresee for the Covid despots, Justin Trudeau will lead the amateur dramatics workshops. Attendance will be compulsory.
Actually I think Trudeau is already leading the amateur dramatics workshops. It's called the Liberal Government . And we are the captive audience.
Nonsense. Canadians love him, will elect him again, would check themselves into camps if the tv said so.
I agree that those who actually voted for Trudeau love him and would elect him again. Unfortunately only 62.3% of the population voted in the last election and he only got 32.62% of the popular vote. Not exactly a landslide. It is a skewed system that favors Ontario and Quebec while largely leaving out the western Canada vote. In a normal world he would never be voted in again but. . . . !
Don't you know the N.D.P. ..guy with the turban joined Trudeau to gang up on us . They never run out of tricks .
Oh. I know. More dirty political tricks. In the end the NDP got their limited victory for dental care for children under 12. But most importantly the provinces got little to no more health care funding for the provinces which is what they really need. A small victory for the NDP for a federal mandate that will take care of a very small percentage of the population that actually needs dental care. The NDP is crazy to regard this as a victory. Trudeau threw them a bone and they were suckered enough to take it. Wow. What a victory for the NDP. Free dental care for the population that needs it the least. They are all idiots and we the people that keep voting these people in are the biggest idiots of all. I am a history buff and quite frankly nothing has changed. We continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. To be honest at this point in my life, having inhabited this planet for nearly 72 years I have very little hope for our collective future as a species.
We got the obamatons. They would still be dazzled by him if they saw him push the button to drone a village.
Worst thespian since John Wilkes Boothe.