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Good Citizen's avatar

CCP science is oddly similar to the west's USSA science. They say Shi dated Congressman Eric Swalwell too.

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Big Grey's avatar

Jesus, the Bullshit doesn't get much deeper than any story around the origins of Covid coming from the MSM and / or their selected mouthpieces. This is all an engineered trojan horse operation to lubricate the great global economic reset. Get ready. Here in the U.S. we will see market breakdowns of all types, constitutional crisis, election integrity failures on a massive scale followed quickly by martial law, urban chaos and gun confiscation. Look out for gold to be made illegal to buy or sell. Banking reform will include digital currency and major changes in tax laws. Your personal freedoms? Gone baby gone. Those having taken the illegal Covid shots will be sicker than anyone with the new release nicely coinciding with the elections. Watch and Pray, plan, prepare and RESIST.

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JS's avatar

I think we are past the deadline for resistance, unfortunately. All anyone had to do was live, work and go to school without masks.

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The Green Hornet's avatar

Pushing the guano.

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upset's avatar

The Bat Lady will be around only as long as the CCP needs her as part of the official "zoonotic origin" narrative. Once the zoonotic origin narrative blows up she will be a liability to the CCP and will be "disappeared".

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Dbrskt's avatar

My Impression is that she is a patsy in standard operating procedure of a al cia da operation...... , but that is my take, the official line has many wholes I am not ok with.....

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

And then one of the first first modified versions of RaTG13 accidentally turned up in Shanghai when sampling Antarctic soil samples.

https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/was-sars-cov-2-originally-from-antarctica

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eugyppius's avatar

along with human SE Asian mitochondrial DNA and genetic material from hamster and monkey cell lines commonly used in research.

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

Yes the soil samples were contaminated or misassigned in the Shanghai lab with the human, hamster and monkey genetic material.

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Fig Newton's avatar

I want to see a picture of batwoman Shi holding a front page of a newspaper up before I am even willing to entertain the thought this woman hasn't been 'Epstein'd'.

She is far too dangerous to far too many bad actors in this world to be left alive.

That's why I think the writer goes to such lengths to tell us why she has been entrusted to tell the story of the Wuhan Flu maker.

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CMCM's avatar

I remember very early on during the initial fear generating phase, there was a photo of a Chinese man (he was an opthalmologist or something??) in a hospital with all sorts of masking and tubes hooked up, but he didn't look sick, he looked frightened beyond belief. He had tweeted out something incriminating about the virus origins, as I recall, and that photo was put out for public consumption just before it was circulated that he had died of covid. It all seemed odd to me at the time, even though I didn't yet have any deep suspicions about what might be going on. But he looked terrified, not sick. Later on I wondered if he knew too much and they eliminated him. From that point on, I was thinking of a manipulated virus, possible accidental leak but possibly deliberate.

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Simon Hodges's avatar

There are too many people trying to blame this on the CCP when this research was predominantly funded by the US. From my observations the global virology community operates in a very similar way to the global community of scientists agreeing on climate change. Many papers list as many scientists as possible in order to try and establish the credibility of their reports and they are all signed by the same usual suspects from various countries around the world. It is possible that the CCP was not fully aware of what was taking place in Wuhan but it is also understandable that they would want to cover up and scientific catastrophe of this nature which occurred on their watch. To me this should be call to halt GMO experiments everywhere not just in virology. We need to move back to more natural and traditional methods of farming and care of land and our environments.

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eugyppius's avatar

as far as I can tell, documented US funding for the operations was pretty small.

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Simon Hodges's avatar

It might have been small but it was very specific in targeting precisely the kind of interventions that would lead to the production of this virus and its escape. Specifically related to creating a chimera virus using different backbones and spikes from different virus and also inserting the smoking gun furin cleavage site.

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eugyppius's avatar

that's the proposal to DARPA, but it was declined, so we don't know who ultimately paid for that work. the confirmed funding iirc is mainly for bat sampling work, for much lower amounts.

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

It was publicly declined but surely you must think it went ahead under another name?

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eugyppius's avatar

some of the research had probably already been done by the time they applied for funding. maybe they needed to show US sources had declined to have a better shot at Chinese money.

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NE - Naked Emperor Newsletter's avatar

Yes that's a possibility. I read that often research was undertaken for up to a year to show what the funders would be getting, before applying for funding.

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Simon Hodges's avatar

The scientists at Wuhan also clearly had their own area of interests which coincided with the US scientists such as Fauci, Baric and Daszak. Just because something wasn't formally articulated in a contract or agreement doesn't mean that they were all not tacitly gravitating toward a common research goal. No particular government in the world is driving the WEF climate change agenda but all the very few scientists who are the self appointed guardians of climate data are driving the agenda with the help of numerous NGOs etc. See the work of Cory Morningstar and her series on manufacturing Greta Thunberg.

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Simon Hodges's avatar

I should also point out that adding a furin cleavage site to a virus is pretty much gain of function 101. It may only work a certain percentage of the time but its always worth trying when you are basically hacking viruses together with no sound scientific knowledge. To back this up I would say that every time a mutation occurs in Sars-Cov2 none of these virologists can tell us if the net result will be too make it more or less transmissible or more or less virulent. These people have no idea as to what they are really doing and playing with.

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JonZig's avatar

You’ve been reading my mail. Dr. Fauci is as culpable as the CCP for allowing the G of F Tech. to be transferred, to the worst players on the planet. We saw the Clinton Admin. facilitate the sale of guidance systems Tech. to China for satellite placement in 1995-96. This little nudge only pushed China’s space program 33 yrs forward from where it was before the transfer. How dumb can the West be, transferring our latest manufacturing Tech. and processes to the same CCP? So it’s business as usual, screw whoever or whatever they have to when chasing the Almighty Dollar. Everyone seems to be comfortable playing along with a country that is obsessed with global domination. Maybe some of the Olympians can shed some light on what they saw and did while in China? I think it was a good thing the games weren’t formally boycotted, and the athletes are getting a first hand look and experience with who their Govs. are bowing to. A teachable moment for people that use their thought sausage.

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z28.310's avatar

Funding is one aspect. Intellectual contributions from people like Ralph Baric are another aspect, potentially a lot more troubling than funding.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

That's the key. The CCP knows the paper trail leads back to the USA, so what do they have to lose by setting it loose?

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Castigator's avatar

They would lose leverage.

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CMCM's avatar

Obama supposedly put an end to GOF research, but it appears Fauci orchestrated a run around of that by indirectly funding research in Wuhan. It seems to me at this point that all these people including those in China were complicit in this research. I always found it odd that China didn't blow the whistle on the U.S. funding and involvement. Instead, they came out with some silly statement about our military spreading it there, and then not much more was ever said about it that I know of. Perhaps their statement was a thinly veiled way of revealing what had been going on without directly accusing us of it. For certain our government simply did not want to accuse China of anything, and they still don't. In any case, until I see better and more convincing evidence to the contrary, at this point I believe our government/military etc. bio-weapons research was deeply involved in all this.

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Juan Oldago's avatar

Obama signed a new Executive Order in JANUARY 2017, a few days before leaving office, that opened up the pathway to fund GOF. Weird, huh?

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CMCM's avatar

Hmmmmm.........

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SimulationCommander's avatar

You nail it. Us knowing that they know is enough. Look how our 'leaders' are bending over for China these days.

Edit: Evidence of your claims on us bat-origin coronavirus research in Wuhan, for those following along:

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/start-your-day-with-gof

Military documents state that EcoHealth Alliance approached DARPA in March 2018 seeking funding to conduct gain of function research of bat borne coronaviruses. The proposal, named Project Defuse, was rejected by DARPA over safety concerns and the notion that it violates the gain of function research moratorium.

The main report regarding the EcoHealth Alliance proposal leaked on the internet a couple of months ago, it has remained unverified until now. Project Veritas has obtained a separate report to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense, written by U.S. Marine Corp Major, Joseph Murphy, a former DARPA Fellow.

When DARPA shot down this proposal, do you think that Fauci & Crew just packed it up and called it a day? Or do you think they went shopping for a place they COULD do the research?

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Stan_R's avatar

Programs already going were allowed to continue. The names of the committee members making that decision are kept secret.

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Alfred's avatar

" To me this should be call to halt GMO experiments everywhere not just in virology. We need to move back to more natural and traditional methods of farming and care of land and our environments."

Amen!

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Simon Hodges's avatar

Yes, scientists need to stop playing God and realize the limitations of their 'knowledge' and the limitations of their power to control what they create in Frankenstein laboratories.

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Professor's avatar

When mosquitoes carry a disease there is usually some type of eradication method tried. Seems to me that given bats penchant for gathering in caves and daytime sleep would make reducing their population easier than it is with mosquitoes. Instead when a large bat population is found to be harboring viruses they take samples and then soup them up to make them easier for human to human transmission -- so they are ready in case that ever happens naturally ???

Why not just exterminate the bats???? Maybe it's because the "gain of function' souping up isn't about a just in case type of thing. Maybe it's designed to be weaponized. And geez the term 'gain of function' sure sounds like it's some type of improvement over the original. To these mad scientists it probably is....so more dangerous means improved????

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eugyppius's avatar

well, bats eat mosquitoes and presumably play other important ecological roles, so killing them off is more costly. a good intermediate solution, would just be to stay the hell away from the bats.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Yeah, if we follow that logic we'd be eliminating all the eastern US whitetail deer, big cats in zoos, and minks on farms…oh, wait…

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Charlotte's avatar

I see the title of the next Netflix documentary- Don’t F*** With Bats

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Professor's avatar

I'm a bit biased. I can't stand bats. I like just about all animals but have never liked bats. It's the same way some people feel about snakes which I don't mind at all.

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Barbelo of the Pleroma's avatar

Bats are awesome, they eat mosquitoes and what's not to like about echolocation.

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Castigator's avatar

Bat towers were built a century ago to help fight mosquitoes, and they have come back in fashion recently, too. So bats are a success story, unlike the Gates-modified mosquitoes in South America that produced hardened insect variants.

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David Vicknair's avatar

Many bat types are also important pollinators.

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Charlotte's avatar

I had a bat land in my hair as a child while playing under a streetlight in Puerto Rico. Not a huge fan either (but they do help keep mosquito populations in check).

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Professor's avatar

I know. I deal with lots of mosquitoes where I live during part of summer and I still prefer them to bats.

Your comment reminds me of: When my daughter was little she asked why God made bats. I told her so they could eat the mosquitoes. Then she asked me why God made mosquitoes. I told her I didn't know why. She replied, "I guess She knows why."

Shows you who was boss in my house :)

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

I'm biased too. Against Professors. I still don't see any useful role they play in ecology. I do see a lot of damage to our "woked" youth. So I say let's eradicate them!

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Professor's avatar

LOL....It's a nickname that started when I was a teen many, many years ago. I pretty much agree with you about colleges.

I love animals. I haven't eaten meat since 1985. I admit I have a bat prejudice or phobia just like some people do with snakes. I wasn't suggesting eradicating all bats. Just the ones carrying serious diseases that can infect people.

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Castigator's avatar

"ust the ones carrying serious diseases that can infect people." - But there are none such, naturally.

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Professor's avatar

Rabies and breathing their guano dust.

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Truth Is Like Gravity's avatar

We’re probably evolved to feel creepy around bats, for good reason, just like snakes, mice, etc

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Professor's avatar

Yes but for some it's only one of those. Spiders seem to be it for some, snakes for others.

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Bandit's avatar

Lots of bats, eat lots of bugs, including mosquitoes. Mosquitoes transmit diseases. Diseases are bad. Bats good. West Nile, Zika, Encephalitis, etc.

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Professor's avatar

That would be better than collecting virus and doing gain of function.

I just don't like them being around me. Their guano can cause illness if inhaled. They can carry rabies. I've had one almost fly into my face. Also saw at least 100 of them coming out at once one time.

They seem to be somewhat inteligent. I lived in a cabin for many years. For several years in a row for a 2 to 3 week period during summer 3 or 4 would hang out in the same place which was on porch in a crevice about 3 inches wide by a foot long. It was right over the entry to cabin and guano would collect up on welcome mat. One year I decided that when they were out at night that I would stuff crevice. I stuffed it with pieces of styrofoam board. Was wedged in tight. Next morning I open door and styrofoam was on welcome mat. They had removed it and were back in their place. I was amazed. They were small brown bats.

I've seen larger silver bats but only three times. They are rarer in these parts. For some reason I don't dislike them as much. Maybe because they aren't as prevalent.

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Castigator's avatar

"They can carry rabies." So can foxes. Or dogs, for that matter.

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SaHiB's avatar

Yeah, bats can carry numerous viral diseases. Their immune systems seem to tolerate low-level, viral infections. (Though I suspect rabies usually be fatal. A rabid bat I saw in Crystal Cave in Pilot Peak looked pretty sick.) If they were eradicated in this copper mine, would infectious virions persist? I.e., would it need to be thoroughly decontaminated before the next bats move in?

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I heard that the senior CCP leadership (literally "senior", as in "ancient") are obsessed with the idea of prolonging life (for themselves), and that is why they pumped so much money into bat research. The critters are famous for staying alive when most other species would keel over and die from disease.

It's a complement, not necessarily an exclusionary alternative, to the bioweapon angle.

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Professor's avatar

They weren't in the cabin and I was pretty much more or less in their house. It was deep in the woods. I tolerated them being over the door for the couple of weeks they were there every year until I tried to seal up the crevice. After that I let them be until they moved on as usual. I don't know if relocating would have worked. I don't know if it was the same bats but they came to the same exact spot over the door year after year. If they were the same even for just 2 years it shows some pretty high inteligence.

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Professor's avatar

Or allegedly from animals. It seems to me that covid was from a gain of function.

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Alfred's avatar

Whatever the truth of the matter is, you can be damned sure it's not what They are telling us.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

I have an idea. How about staying out of bat caves? Seriously though...every single bioweapons laboratory in the world needs to be shut down. Yesterday. There is absolutely NO justification for these to exist.

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David Watson's avatar

They don't require justification. They also can't be shut down. They operate in their own universe, to suit their own needs.

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

I know. You’re right. That’s what makes me so furious.

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SaHiB's avatar

Richard Milhous Nixon said he (the US government) did. What happened?

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iwonder's avatar

What a load of bat guano.

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Joshu's Dog's avatar

Dr. Andrew Huff, a whistleblower from Ecohealth Alliance, will tell us a lot more about the truth of SARS-CoV-2 origins that anybody running flak for WIV, or anybody dissecting that flak, ever will. Of course he's being ignored by mainstream media, and apparently by much of the covid skeptic blogosphere, who often variously seem to like to spin their own conspiracy theories (yesterday someone was telling it all came from the "tic tac" UFOs), or quixotically decide that particular ones are too "conspiratorial."

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CMCM's avatar

Huff is a name I hadn't come across before. I looked him up and read his whistleblower letter....shocking to say the least, yet at this point nothing surprises me.

https://palaceintrigueblog.com/2022/02/09/ecohealth-whistleblower-andrew-huff-sends-letter-to-senators-claiming-ecohealth-funded-the-development-of-sars-cov-2/

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Jim Brown's avatar

Matt Ridley's book "Viral" is a good objective source for all the details of the bat cave and the origin of SARS-Cov-2. Highly recommended.

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Bootsorourke's avatar

😡

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Ellen's avatar

I got that email from MTR featuring the article this morning. I was so hoping someone like you would read it first and give another take on it. Thank you!!!

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