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Apparently their idea of democracy is a political system where the people get to vote for candidates approved by the government.

eugyppius's avatar

That is literally and without exaggeration exactly their idea of democracy.

SCA's avatar

That "politics is war" post you'd made that time just never leaves my head.

Danno's avatar

From JFK (at least) until the election of Donald Trump, this was the state of affairs in the U.S. for almost every elected office of any significance. The gatekeepers here across the pond were the media, the party leadership, and the intel community.

Henrybowman's avatar

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies."

--Professor Carroll Quigley, advisor to JFK and LBJ

CMCM's avatar

Well, I'm 76 and have been watching politics with great interest since I was 14, which is when JFK was assassinated. What Professor Quigley describes is what I observed for a very long time until perhaps the past 10-15 years.

Henrybowman's avatar

Indeed. It's the reason most Republicans in the Swamp hate Trump.

Pnoldguy's avatar

I submit what the professor described is still going on enhanced by algorithms, vote fraud and will get worse with AI.

Danno's avatar

AI might also be the perfect tool to help clean up the vote fraud. Elon Musk and a few other oligarchs have staffs busy advising the White House how to do this. That's the likely reason for the current set-to between them and some blue state governors who refuse to release their voter databases.

Danno's avatar

That's correct. Unfortunately for the last couple of decades most of the the rascals have become so embedded in the "permanent government" in Washington that throwing them out will require another couple of decades of Donald Trumps - smart, outspoken, determined executives who cannot be bought or intimidated.

Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

The embedded government that consists of technocratic bureaucrats stays in place over decades……that’s what exercises longterm policies that are detrimental to the interests of the citizens IMO. The Blob is powerful and hard to remove. Trump will have at most eight years…..the Blob will outlast him

Wim de Vriend's avatar

I would say that her description was the de facto US government, back in the 'sixties. Sorry; it should have been "his", not "her". More importantly, like so many of that era, Quigley was a crypto-communist who would have fit perfectly in the Roosevelt Administration. For here's another Quigley quote which also seems to prove that he had a very limited vocabulary, given the number of times he repeated bogeyman words, like "insatiable" and "greed":

“We are violating every aspect of life by turning everything into a ripoff because we have adopted the view that insatiable individualistic greed must run the world. We are living in a very dangerous age in which insatiably greedy men are prepared to sacrifice anybody’s health and tranquility to satisfy their own insatiable greed for money and power. I am aghast at what selfishness, and the drive for power have done to our society. I worry as I find the world so increasingly horrible that I do not see how anything as wonderful as your life can escape."

gbrown's avatar

on that quote in particular I would say that a lot of non-communist sane people would agree

kertch's avatar

And yet, over the years as we implement more socialism, more wealth redistribution, and more government control, the situation only gets worse. Socialism doesn't fix wealth disparity - it locks it in place.

gbrown's avatar

I am not even remotely pro socialism, just pointing out that, for instance, the mass wealth transfer that took place during covid, and the wealth transfer that always takes place in socialism is in neither case "motivated greedy men making our lives better" it's just greedy men. Probably I shouldn't bother trying to debate this because everyone now thinks that everyone else has an angle, but my angle is basically that people suck, especially people (greedy men) that will whore anyone for their own benefit.

kertch's avatar

I can't disagree with your sentiment. Neither Socialism nor Capitolism can compensate for spiritual rot.

Wim de Vriend's avatar

In the 1950s they had two words for such people: "fellow-traveler".

Whether we like it or not, most of today's high standard of living is due to people motivated by greed. But as long as they use that primitive instinct to supply things that make our lives better, where's the harm?

Pat Robinson's avatar

100% disagree

It’s not greed it’s the invisible hand.

People work to produce a better widget to get rich, in return we all get a better widget.

Greed is what I would say we see in the endless rent seeking by corporations when it comes to abominable energy transition/green grift.

Massive $$ transfer for very little of use.

Wim de Vriend's avatar

So, individuals working to get rich is morally superior to corporations seeking to achieve the same thing?

I don't really understand that, because the origin of the corporation was just a bunch of individuals pooling their money to make money jointly, while reducing individual risk.

Chixbythesea's avatar

Quigley was also Bill Clinton’s top mentor, fyi.

la chevalerie vit's avatar

So let it be written, so let it be done. And it was.

Mike Williams's avatar

That is a killer quote.In a age where people use fake Orwell quotes without thinking and dont care..that is very good

Aardvark's avatar

Apparently Quigley was serious. Am I correct?

Fager 132's avatar

Leaving the cryptocracy to get on with its agenda of Empire, undisturbed by considerations of law, morality, or popular approval.

Rocío Matamoros's avatar

"their idea of democracy is a political system where the people get to vote for candidates approved by the government"

The old-fashioned name for this arrangement is "people's democracy". There used to be many people's democracies, but in most cases, the ungrateful peoples chose to live under capitalist oppression when they were finally given the choice.

C. L. H. Daniels's avatar

It’s Chinese democracy. Only candidates approved by the State can run, just like in Hong Kong.

I can’t believe these people take their own commitment to democracy seriously. They can’t possibly, can they?

CMCM's avatar

Not only China. I can think of a few Middle Eastern dictatorships in which the "winner" got 95% of the vote. We all know that would never happen in a free election.

Richard Bicker's avatar

They know better than the voters the danger of electing the "wrong" people to office, being the "wrong" people themselves...

Ray Noack's avatar

We must use Un Democratic means …to save Democracy

Chixbythesea's avatar

USA is not a democracy, but Europe? Nebulous.

SCA's avatar

Honestly there isn't any place anywhere where anyone is truly willing to sit down and take it when the other guy wins.

Danno's avatar

No. But most of us see a common need to enforce the rules equally. The deep state (aka permanent government) doesn't abide by that.

SCA's avatar

From where do you think they hire functionaries of the Deep State? They ain't space aliens. They are people, like Brennan, who decided not to go into the priesthood and found an equally pernicious way of controlling information.

None of this is new in human society. It's these middle-class guys and gals who imagine they are better and more clever than their neighbors.

Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

This is close to reality where:

The elite's idea of democracy is a scam political theatre where the constituents get to elect candidates pre-selected by them only !!!

la chevalerie vit's avatar

In the good ol’ USA that’s called the primary process. Keeping to two parties makes the job easier for the uniparty establishment DC denizens.

Danno's avatar

It backfired when Trump hijacked the weaker party and used it to mobilize the silent majority.

la chevalerie vit's avatar

Temporary setback for the benevolent bureaucracratic behemoth.

AndyinBC's avatar

Prezactly!

And that strategy is being implemented around the world.

We seem to have dropped any pretense to 'democracy'.

kertch's avatar

"Prezactly" - I like it!

Epaminondas's avatar

How else can you ensure that only the "proper" candidates are elected? /s

The thought, of course, never seems to occur to them that perhaps having the party in power declare who is and is not an "extremist organisation" may lead to unintended consequences, especially if they are the ones to ever lose power. Critical thinking is not exactly their strong suit.

Username's avatar

Spot on!

They (and we in the USA) would do well to remember the admonition: don't use a power that you wouldn't want the other side to use against you.

la chevalerie vit's avatar

In the best kind of republic, the representatives are chosen by a democratic process in which government officials use their expertise and deep understanding to make the selections that are in the best interest of the people governed. Elections are a messy process of centuries past that don’t align with modern efficiencies and sensibilities.

kertch's avatar

"Then who shall become the King?"

la chevalerie vit's avatar

That’s the beauty: No Kings.

Danno's avatar

At what point does the public become so frustrated that they begin to see ACTUAL Nazis as a better alternative? Isn't this what led to Hitler in the 1920s? I think if I were a migrant I'd start looking for the exits. Eventually things will self-solve, one way or another, but how bad will it have to get?

Coco McShevitz's avatar

I guess the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is actually a democracy after all!

SCA's avatar

Less than 100 years and everything's gone to hell again. Everywhere.

Henrybowman's avatar

I keep having this nagging vision that Yuval Noah Harari gave us a couple warnings about what was in store... then chose to shut up about it and just proceed with it.

https://brownstone.org/articles/transhumanism-and-ai-an-ideology-of-death/

SCA's avatar

Really, if we'd only not invented language. There's no telling where you'll end up if you can tell your own crazy thoughts to other people.

Bunker Bob's avatar

I'm starting to think that things never really changed at all. I think Germany, as well as most of Europe, is just as authoritarian as they were when things last got saucy (i.e. the beginning of the war).

SCA's avatar

Well, the cycles of history proceed in their well-worn eternal fashion, that's all.

Ray Noack's avatar

The fourth turning

SCA's avatar

Nothing new etc. etc. If you take out all the silly stuff there's a lot of observed wisdom in foundational texts.

Spiff's avatar

All signs of increasing desperation, as unsettling as they are. They are not operating from a position of strength. We can count on them destroying what is left of their credibility as they pursue populist parties all across Europe.

We are surely seeing the death of the old world and the birth of something new. Most European nations are in the same boat, although Trump has perhaps given the USA a stay of execution.

But I think we all sense the shenanigans in Germany is just the canary in the coal mine. Mentally disturbed technocrats are not suited to running anything. It is only a matter of time before they write themselves out of the picture. This is just another nail hammered into the democratic coffin.

Ray Noack's avatar

They are doing real harm with their hairbrained green energy policies .

As I wrote above , in Desperation ( as you wisely put it ) UC San Diego dropped the SAT in order to get more minority students at the school ..now 1 in 200 Freshman need remedial math and the school needs to quickly find dozens of extra math teachers .

Nothing good comes from desperate decisions.

Henrybowman's avatar

That was a totally predictable consequence of DEI (except to DEI proponents).

When you deliberately select for the less qualified, what will you obtain?

One word: duh.

Spiff's avatar

If you have ever tried arguing with one of them it quickly becomes an exercise in futility. They absolutely cannot accept selecting for some special characteristic will have an effect on quality. They sincerely believe they will get both the pleasing quota person and high quality. The real fanatics think it improves quality because patriarchal white cisgender swines like me are excluded. They think we will just pick really good women/blacks/gays etc. and maintain quality.

Henrybowman's avatar

That's how we ended up with Karine Jean-Pierre, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Kamala Harris... high performers all.

I guess when Democrats lose enough elections by putting up ersatz DEI candidates, reality may manage to pound its way through their igneous skulls.

Spiff's avatar

Never. DEI is revenge for white men creating the modern world.

Mike Carroll's avatar

Fanatics are immune to being told anything. If your country sucks, emigrate for your own sanity.

Spiff's avatar

Or stay and fight to improve it. This is happening everywhere after all.

Mike Carroll's avatar

I take it that you are not a Canadian. Finding libertarian free minded capitalist Canadians especially on the East Coast is like finding four leaf clovers. It is hopeless to fight for change in Canada. Nothing about the immigrants but they are coming faster than you can recruit fighters and they all or loyal to the party that paved their way with visas and financial incentives stolen from other Canadians.

Fiona walker's avatar

DEI = Didn’t Earn It.

Bozz Hogg's avatar

Divisiveness Exclusion Inequality

Spiff's avatar

But they are self correcting. These schemes attempt to circumvent reality, in this can innate differences between individuals and observed characteristics of groups. The Chinese don't make this mistake which is why their kids don't need remedial anything.

That is one of the correctives. Our rivals are cheering on our stupidity.

kertch's avatar

Democracy will dissappear. So will many countries. But people and cultures will remain. The strength of the USA is that it transcended ethnic culture through higher ideals. This is also its greatest weakness. As these ideals fail or are discarded, there is no longer a stable foundation to unify the people as a nation. Britain has a similar problem, though not nearly to the same degree.

Spiff's avatar

I agree. I think the outcome will be the same, the strongest dominate. We are living through an unprecedented experiment that is failing. What will emerge in my view is a version of nationalism largely based on ethnicity or at least ethnic compatibility. More simply, whites and East Asians get along fine. Everyone else will need to marry in to the family or leave. The actively hostile will not make it.

Steven Mosher's avatar

Didn't someone whose last name begins with "H" also ban political parties?

Vivian Evans's avatar

Someone whose last name begins with 'U' also did that. He advised his minions that 'everything must look democratic but we must keep all threads in our hands' ...

Username's avatar

"U"? Frank Underwood? (look him up 😁)

Vivian Evans's avatar

Walter Ulbricht, a.k.a. "Der Spitzbart" - look him up.

Username's avatar

Oh yeah, the DDR guy. I remember him. 🤢

Tell's avatar

LOL You go for "that's like HITLER!" like a good little leftist. Your leftist teachers would be proud of you. You are too ignorant to compare with the leftists attacking people in the Weimar Republic, which you know nothing about.

After the 1940s East Germany was controlled by communists for generations, and Stasi was spying on everyone. But American idiots will still talk about "Gestapo!" instead of Stasi in comment sections. Even though Gestapo was a small organization with just 15 people in a city the size of Frankfurt, relying entirely on public tips to root out the communist terrorists. But American cucks have to compare everything to "Hitler!" and "Gestapo!" or why not "SS!" And "hey, didya know the NAZIS were SOCIALISTS like the DEMOCRATS?" You people are so fucking dumb.

Tardigrade's avatar

Hey, be fair. After all, most Americans learn their history from movies. 🫤

Rocío Matamoros's avatar

"Didn't someone whose last name begins with "H" also ban political parties?"

Sure did. Hồ Chí Minh was the name. Totally uncool with other political parties.

Mike Carroll's avatar

Or they could just kill the AfD candidates like they were doing just lately. They were dropping like flies, remember that?

Henrybowman's avatar

No, parties are fine, he just banned elections.

Stuffysays's avatar

"May you live in interesting times"

I have said before that, just when I think the UK is the maddest place on earth, Germany pops up with something dumb. So they want everyone to promise to vote for the correct candidate and, to ensure that happens, they want to only field the correct candidate. Democracy eh? Great isn't it?

Ray Noack's avatar

In 2020 the Democrats could not find a candidate to run against Trump . Bernie Sanders was leading but he would surely lose the national election …so they gave Bernie the “ heave Ho “ and put up a cardboard cut out of ole Joe Biden . For the next 4 years we had a “ Cadaver in Chief “ …oh yeah , many say the “ stole “ the election to …Save Democracy

CMCM's avatar

Save Democracy is just code for Save Democrats and keep them in power forever.

CorkyAgain's avatar

It's telling that the way they usually phrase it is "saving *our* democracy".

Ours not yours, peasant.

Paul's avatar

I wish I had better detail on this, but I thought a few years back that the U.S. government had changed its own definition of 'democracy.' The new definition worded it not in terms of people, but the institutions which serve and 'hold together' a democracy. Of course it was at a recent time when faith in those institutions was nose diving. So now when they talk of saving democracy, they are literally just talking about saving the 'establishment.'

Alistair Penbroke's avatar

The UK is outright cancelling elections on a regular basis now, not just banning specific political parties.

Stuffysays's avatar

Depressing isn't it? Showing my ignorance here but I had always simply assumed governments could call elections but not cancel them - ah, the innocence of youth eh?

Vivian Evans's avatar

Those who now scream to demand such 'confession' from candidates for public office while banning all those on 'a list' - so far only for elected offices, but who knows when it'll become mandatory for all who want employment in government departments - are apparently too young to recall the "Kommunistenerlass" (a decree to bann everyone who belonged to or had contact with lefty or official communist organisations in the 1970s).

Ar that time, it was deemed to be a stain on the democratic image of the then Bundesrepublik. Now? Those who scream loudest for an AfD-Bann would've been subject to the 'Kommunistenerlass'.

How times have changed ...

Rocío Matamoros's avatar

It was the "Radikalenerlass", since it was designed to exclude not only the recently founded West German communist party (DKP) but others, such as Maoist groupings and the terrorists of the RAF (Baader-Meinhof Gang).

In contrast to today, the decree was made by the SPD in an attempt to seal themselves off from infiltration by the far left, and also to reassure its junior coalition party, the FDP. The decree was made in early 1972, when Chancellor Willy Brandt's rapprochement with the DDR was well underway, culminating by the end of that year in the "Basic Treaty", which established mutual recognition between the two Germanys. The Radikalenerlass was intended to show that this rapprochement did not imply that there would be any accommodation with the anti-constitutional left in West Germany.

In the event, the DDR regime managed to place one of its agents as a personal assistant of Brandt - a factor in his resignation in 1974. The DDR had even managed to buy the votes of two CDU members to ensure that Brandt would remain as Chancellor in the elections just before the Basic Treaty was signed.

Vivian Evans's avatar

'Radikalenerlass" - that was the word I was looking for! Thanks for the reminder!

SRwilson's avatar

"Bat Shit Crazy"

Paul Jackson's avatar

Interesting to see that the German establishment is taking a different approach to the British government in order to solve what they see as the same problem. This probably reflects the fact that Germany is a federation and Britain is not. In Britain the Labour government is about to suspend more local council and mayoral elections because they know that Reform UK will give them a shellacking, no fucking around with bogus loyalty clauses because we don’t have a written constitution so just get straight to it and prevent people from voting until, perhaps, the political climate improves for Labour. Oh, and blame Brexit for everything while you’re at it.

Keith's avatar

His interest in Tolkien? That surely is a joke, isn't it?

eugyppius's avatar

no it's real, it's in this insane intelligence assessment the LfV compiled on the man.

CorkyAgain's avatar

Sauron could not imagine that anyone would want to destroy the Ring rather than use it to seize power themselves.

That Tolkien fellow was an admitted anarchist. It's in his Letters and at the heart of his book.

But the powers that be don't like the idea of being reduced to powerless, mostly ceremonial figures like Will Whitfoot, the mayor of the Shire.

CorkyAgain's avatar

To avoid any mistaken conclusions, I should add that his anarchism wasn't what he called the bewhiskered bomb-throwing kind. It was more like the kind of extremely limited government suitable for a people civilized enough to govern themselves on a local scale.

My main point being that the despots were not altogether wrong in seeing Tolkien's writing as a threat to their rule. (As you can probably tell, I'm very much on his side and find great wisdom in everything he wrote.)

Keith's avatar

Jesus Christ.

By the way, regarding your previous post, I studied in Giessen for a year between 1991-1992. I scanned the photos and videos for anything that looked vaguely familiar but could recognise nothing.

Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

OK, but why does that matter?

Did he read Orwell?

How about "Brave New World"?

Are these supposedly "red flags"?

Rocío Matamoros's avatar

"His interest in Tolkien? That surely is a joke, isn't it?"

The Shire never adopted an open-borders policy. Tolkien clearly thought that the hobbits were better off with their own privileged monoculture, instead of bringing in hordes of orcs to diversify the Shire. Like, what an old fascist!

kertch's avatar

The Daily Gondor on Substack

John Davison's avatar

Definitely not.

The "left" have no sense of humour. Fact.

Especially the Germans - according to the WE won the War morons.

Keith's avatar

I actually mean was Eugyppius joking. I know that he does have a sense of humour.

Tardigrade's avatar

Read the linked eugy post. He describes what happened.

Keith's avatar

Good tip. I had thought the link only referred to the non-Tolkien bit.

grahamlyons's avatar

And don't rely on your German legal system for any "justice" to deal with such nonsense. It is much worse than ours here in Australia. And look at how all of them performed in "The West" during Convid1984, exhibiting a lack of courage and integrity nearly as bad as the medical profession (with a few brave exceptions).

Reiner Fuellmich is currently in Bremervoerde prison, Germany after being kidnapped in Mexico by German "authorities" over two years ago, then subjected to a sham trial in a kangaroo court (or whatever you call its a fake, corrupt equivalent in Germany) and sentenced to almost four years...what for? Because his Corona Investigative Committee exposed the Convid1984 atrocity and the deadly "vax"...oh yes, and let's not forget, when he was working as an attorney in Germany previously, he had wins against such corporate icons as Volkswagen and Deutsche Bank, i.e. exposure of their corruption. "Small people" aren't supposed to beat such "system" icons.

Reiner is a political prisoner. This miscarriage of justice is one of the worst I have ever seen and I have been around a while. While he languishes in prison, "Professor" Christian Drosten, head of "Virology" at the Charite Berlin, who promoted the fraudulent "Covid PCR test" that was used to "justify" the deployment of the deadly "vax" that has killed tens of millions of people worldwide to date, walks free. Figure that out!

One minute video in support of Reiner:

https://grahamlyons.substack.com/p/reiner-fuellmich-stands-tall-in-the?r=3echlt

Others provide support for Reiner:

https://grahamlyons.substack.com/p/free-reiner-fuellmich?r=3echlt

Tell's avatar

If there is a "loyalty" list for government officials to sign, then no one who is a government official can run for office as an AfD candidate. Then the list will be extended to businesses that receive contracts from the government; and in the socialist West, the government is the biggest source of contracts. Also, having government contracts make businesses more successful in getting other contracts, so they come to dominate.

So in this way, it becomes impossible for successful, educated people to be AfD candidates, as they work for successful businesses or they are high up in the public administration.

That is aside from the terrorism nationalists are exposed to all over the West. They are attacked in their own homes. Their windows are smashed at night, the terrorists enter and beat the victim with bats. This has happened many times, but people don't know about it. If they don't attack this way, they wait outside and attack the victim when he leaves the house. Or they smash the windows and throw in burning rags, or otherwise vandalize the home. They burn people's cars.

They put up stickers with the target's face all over his neighborhood, saying he is a "racist" member of a nationalist party. They spray-paint this in the apartment building and on his door. They put notes in the mailboxes of his neighbors. They spray-paint the walls at his workplace and threaten his employer.

The socialist co-workers will support the terrorists, and smear the "racist". With the media and socialist labor unions supporting their harrassment, the victim will be ostracized, as no one dares come near him. His career is destroyed, he is forced to leave. If the employer is a socialist or votes for a "liberal" party, which today means simply a lower-tax leftist, he won't give the victim a good reference. The labor union will support the employer if he fires the victim for creating an "unsafe workplace" - this has happened, and the court then sides with the union and the employer against the victim.

Nationalist party members are forced to find ways to live at unlisted addresses, which has become increasingly difficult. The socialists have made sure that this will be difficult. If a nationalist party member runs for office, or if his name is leaked by infiltrators or government-funded hackers, then he will be attacked in the ways listed above.

Those who become targets for the rest of their lives will lose girlfriends, or wives if they were married. And they can't find someone new. They can't live ordinary lives. Forget having a car or going on vacation, or anything else above mere survival.

You, reader, don't know about this. Because the media didn't tell you. You have no idea what is going on. You think the ban on AfD members in government in Rheinland-Phalz is the worst thing that has happened? Nationalist parties in Europe would have had 30% of the votes as early as in the 1990s without the terrorism by communist groups funded through taxes. This terrorism kept people from joining and ruined the lives of those who did.

George S. Vascik's avatar

Brilliant tactic. Start with a small town in a small state. ARD is HQed in RP right, so it gets plenty of attention. If successful move to next Land election (will have to check date). If successful move to larger more populous states. Plenty of time to ram it through the courts before next Bundestagswahl. Won’t need a Fraser-style national ban. If the Young Christian Dems continue to give Fritz and Jens trouble, they can with great regret announce the foundation of a bloc of “democratic” parties. The term National Front or Bloc was used to great effect before. Why not again?

patrick.net/memes's avatar

So the "Office for the Protection of the Constitution" gets to decide that groups peacefully opposed to flooding Germany with violent 3rd worlders are "extremist".

This is the diametrical opposite of democracy. It is tyrannical suppression of legitimate opposition.

Chixbythesea's avatar

FYI, Eugyppius, your new posts are slow to show up in my substack desktop box. In fact, it shows up much sooner via email notification. You might want to check if this is happening more widely. It’s not a problem for me with my other subscriptions.

Lapun Ozymandias's avatar

I am experiencing a similar problem with some of the other Substacks that I subscribe to - that is, slow to appear in the App. I suspect that Substack has some internal software processing problems.

AEIOU's avatar
Dec 4Edited

I’m not sure how much it matters if you can elect candidates when the civil service is purged of anyone except the most reliable Unsere Demokratie™ loyalists.

It might even be negative – you’d just be yes ministered to a standstill while everything embarrassing in the eyes of anyone whatsoever would be leaked immediately and then plastered across title pages across the whole country, which would be demoralising and discrediting.

air dog's avatar

Yeah, that sounds pretty ominous.