Interesting. And just a quick note regarding the vaccine developments too depressing to discuss. I hear you and understand, Eugyppius. But please know that as a parent your voice has been so helpful in beating back social pressure and assisting in my ability to articulate the valid concerns about the “vaccines.” I know for a fact that my influence and example in my social circle has given other parents the courage to avoid vaccinating their children. And for those that did so anyway, almost no one I know is keen on the boosters. So while your work may not yet impact the corrupt vaccine decision makers, it is an important component of opening minds and may be literally saving lives.
Finally, please see Jordan Schachtel’s piece regarding why the “vaccines” have been added to the US child immunization schedules. It is all about granting permanent legal immunity to Pfizer and Moderna, and all injuries will now be under the purview of the federal government.
The False God of Central Planning: The Mysterious Reappearance of the Flu, Natural vs Vaccine-Induced Immunity, the Inability of the Vaccines to Control the Virus, and Other Extraordinary Lessons About the End of the Pandemic
This I think is what Ivor Cummins talked about as well in regards to the flu.
But if you talk to those who are one with the narrative, they think it is all based on the behavior-based measures they adhered to during the pandemic. They believe lockdowns, masks, distancing, etc. were what stifled the flu which is ridiculous in my opinion.
Flu is different from covid yet they have the same symptoms also shared with numerous other afflictions. Still these medical geniuses are telling us to go out and get a flu shot...like clockwork. So what gives? Why do I need a flu shot if there is NO FLU ANYMORE? Not buying any of this for a second. I haven't had and never will have any mRNA gene altering injections and have had no flu shots in 50 years. Do I get the flu every year? NO. Maybe I get something fluish every 10-15 years. This virology and flu crap is all nonsense anyway. You get sick because your body needs to purge toxins from itself or you have deficiencies of vitamins/minerals or you have stressed yourself into a stupor.
Whoa, this jumps out at me: "Lockdowns probably helped SARS-2 to gain prominence, by wiping out some of its less contagious competitors, including spring rhinoviruses."
So lockdowns DO work for certain kinds of respiratory viruses, just not SARS-Cov-19?
1) How far back does this type of surveillance for flu go? If we had 100 years of data and never saw this before, that would be notable. If we only have been doing this 10-20 years it may be that we are observing something that is a semi regular event
2) Week or so back when I picked your brain on Germanys surveillance and asked how many tests on sick people don’t come back with a result, IIRC you said 40%? So we have ability to match to 60% of potential viruses out there is how I understand it.
My question for the missing 40% (or whatever number it winds up being), are these simply viruses we haven’t IDed yet and therefore don’t have a PCR test set to match? Or, are these just people with bacterial, fungal, other non viral infections? (I assume mix of both)
Oct 22, 2022·edited Oct 22, 2022Liked by eugyppius
This is an excellent aanlysis of the data which I find conclusively persuasive, thank you.
It isn't clear in the article, and perhaps many don't understand, but Influenza A&B are NOT coronas. That doesn't change anything in the analysis, it's just something of which people need to know and keep in mind.
I suspect the next analagous analysis we might need is for the raised incidence of cancer cases and excess deaths which are, UNpersuasively, being attributed also to lockdowns!
I believe the flu was most impacted by the lack of travel. Traditionally the United States and many other countries build a FLU vaccine based on the top FLU in circulation in Asia, 6 to 8 months before the annual FLU season. We never tried shutting down human mobility like this before. It really needs to be looked at closer.
Interesting, there may be concurrence, but do you know this study on coinfection?
From all the people I know who got tested during pandemic, all but one were tested ONLY for Covid. One can only find what is loiked for. The only one who tested also for influenza was positive for both, Covid and influenza.
Get the comparative number of tests done would also be interesting.
Oct 21, 2022·edited Oct 21, 2022Liked by eugyppius
I'm not too happy about influenza and the hCov's disappearance. You're generally speaking much better off with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know. With influenza we seem to have seen strains forced into extinction, heaven knows how much genetic diversity the hCov's have lost during these social distancing experiments.
The different respiratory viruses interfere with each other, but I think they're all to some degree "domesticated": They can survive in our population because they don't provoke an overly aggressive immune response. They don't provoke an aggressive immune response, because they lost epitopes associated with virulence. At least I would expect this to be true for the hCov's.
Now comes SARS-COV-2, it invades the human ecosystem but finds that it is already home to viruses adjusted to the niche. With some help from our social distancing experiments its competitors are decimated, SARS-COV-2 takes their place and now emerges a state-shift: Just as a jellyfish dominated ocean generates the kind of conditions that make it difficult for bony fish to reestablish themselves, other respiratory viruses may struggle to recover from the human social distancing experiment and the subsequent rise to dominance of SARS-COV-2.
I think Omicron's loss of virulence is not yet a product of immune buildup against virulence associated epitopes in our population. Rather it's a side-effect of its adjustment to mice, the species in which it developed its new version of Spike that proved to have higher ACE2 affinity and escape the human immune response against pre-Omicron versions. Overly high mortality rates don't benefit a virus like this, so to survive in mice which have less built up immunity due to their shorter lifespan, it had to bring down its virulence.
And so as Omicron adjusts to humans again, you see virulence go up again with successive iterations. The big question I don't have an answer to is whether SARS-COV-2 has traits that lead to intrinsic virulence, that can't be lost without producing a big transmission disadvantage, or whether it can eventually become a relatively benign virus like the hCov's.
Fauci explained this phenomenon in 2010 when swine made all other respiratory viruses disappear. People should not be incredulous.
We've all seen those Jurassic park movies where the (movie-depicted) invincible dinosaurs take over as the predators in an ecosystem. Viruses move, live, and die much faster than this. It's really not surprising.
I'm still never getting a flu shot.
Interesting. And just a quick note regarding the vaccine developments too depressing to discuss. I hear you and understand, Eugyppius. But please know that as a parent your voice has been so helpful in beating back social pressure and assisting in my ability to articulate the valid concerns about the “vaccines.” I know for a fact that my influence and example in my social circle has given other parents the courage to avoid vaccinating their children. And for those that did so anyway, almost no one I know is keen on the boosters. So while your work may not yet impact the corrupt vaccine decision makers, it is an important component of opening minds and may be literally saving lives.
Finally, please see Jordan Schachtel’s piece regarding why the “vaccines” have been added to the US child immunization schedules. It is all about granting permanent legal immunity to Pfizer and Moderna, and all injuries will now be under the purview of the federal government.
https://dossier.substack.com/p/the-cdc-will-vote-thursday-to-permanently
The False God of Central Planning: The Mysterious Reappearance of the Flu, Natural vs Vaccine-Induced Immunity, the Inability of the Vaccines to Control the Virus, and Other Extraordinary Lessons About the End of the Pandemic
https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html
This I think is what Ivor Cummins talked about as well in regards to the flu.
But if you talk to those who are one with the narrative, they think it is all based on the behavior-based measures they adhered to during the pandemic. They believe lockdowns, masks, distancing, etc. were what stifled the flu which is ridiculous in my opinion.
Flu is different from covid yet they have the same symptoms also shared with numerous other afflictions. Still these medical geniuses are telling us to go out and get a flu shot...like clockwork. So what gives? Why do I need a flu shot if there is NO FLU ANYMORE? Not buying any of this for a second. I haven't had and never will have any mRNA gene altering injections and have had no flu shots in 50 years. Do I get the flu every year? NO. Maybe I get something fluish every 10-15 years. This virology and flu crap is all nonsense anyway. You get sick because your body needs to purge toxins from itself or you have deficiencies of vitamins/minerals or you have stressed yourself into a stupor.
Whoa, this jumps out at me: "Lockdowns probably helped SARS-2 to gain prominence, by wiping out some of its less contagious competitors, including spring rhinoviruses."
So lockdowns DO work for certain kinds of respiratory viruses, just not SARS-Cov-19?
When influenza returns it will hit with a vengeance, as immune systems will not have been trained for several years.
Thanks for the good article.
Immediate questions:
1) How far back does this type of surveillance for flu go? If we had 100 years of data and never saw this before, that would be notable. If we only have been doing this 10-20 years it may be that we are observing something that is a semi regular event
2) Week or so back when I picked your brain on Germanys surveillance and asked how many tests on sick people don’t come back with a result, IIRC you said 40%? So we have ability to match to 60% of potential viruses out there is how I understand it.
My question for the missing 40% (or whatever number it winds up being), are these simply viruses we haven’t IDed yet and therefore don’t have a PCR test set to match? Or, are these just people with bacterial, fungal, other non viral infections? (I assume mix of both)
This is an excellent aanlysis of the data which I find conclusively persuasive, thank you.
It isn't clear in the article, and perhaps many don't understand, but Influenza A&B are NOT coronas. That doesn't change anything in the analysis, it's just something of which people need to know and keep in mind.
I suspect the next analagous analysis we might need is for the raised incidence of cancer cases and excess deaths which are, UNpersuasively, being attributed also to lockdowns!
I believe the flu was most impacted by the lack of travel. Traditionally the United States and many other countries build a FLU vaccine based on the top FLU in circulation in Asia, 6 to 8 months before the annual FLU season. We never tried shutting down human mobility like this before. It really needs to be looked at closer.
Pathogens don't only attack humans, but also other pathogens. It's possible sars2 attacks flu and cold viruses. Our environment is always complex.
Interesting, there may be concurrence, but do you know this study on coinfection?
From all the people I know who got tested during pandemic, all but one were tested ONLY for Covid. One can only find what is loiked for. The only one who tested also for influenza was positive for both, Covid and influenza.
Get the comparative number of tests done would also be interesting.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26163
I'm not too happy about influenza and the hCov's disappearance. You're generally speaking much better off with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know. With influenza we seem to have seen strains forced into extinction, heaven knows how much genetic diversity the hCov's have lost during these social distancing experiments.
The different respiratory viruses interfere with each other, but I think they're all to some degree "domesticated": They can survive in our population because they don't provoke an overly aggressive immune response. They don't provoke an aggressive immune response, because they lost epitopes associated with virulence. At least I would expect this to be true for the hCov's.
Now comes SARS-COV-2, it invades the human ecosystem but finds that it is already home to viruses adjusted to the niche. With some help from our social distancing experiments its competitors are decimated, SARS-COV-2 takes their place and now emerges a state-shift: Just as a jellyfish dominated ocean generates the kind of conditions that make it difficult for bony fish to reestablish themselves, other respiratory viruses may struggle to recover from the human social distancing experiment and the subsequent rise to dominance of SARS-COV-2.
I think Omicron's loss of virulence is not yet a product of immune buildup against virulence associated epitopes in our population. Rather it's a side-effect of its adjustment to mice, the species in which it developed its new version of Spike that proved to have higher ACE2 affinity and escape the human immune response against pre-Omicron versions. Overly high mortality rates don't benefit a virus like this, so to survive in mice which have less built up immunity due to their shorter lifespan, it had to bring down its virulence.
And so as Omicron adjusts to humans again, you see virulence go up again with successive iterations. The big question I don't have an answer to is whether SARS-COV-2 has traits that lead to intrinsic virulence, that can't be lost without producing a big transmission disadvantage, or whether it can eventually become a relatively benign virus like the hCov's.
I'm going to have to wait a bit to read this...the intro almost left me in tears...
Fauci explained this phenomenon in 2010 when swine made all other respiratory viruses disappear. People should not be incredulous.
We've all seen those Jurassic park movies where the (movie-depicted) invincible dinosaurs take over as the predators in an ecosystem. Viruses move, live, and die much faster than this. It's really not surprising.