Many points of evidence suggest that we're worrying about reinfection and mortality rates that aren't that remarkable in the context of other viral pathogens
"Reports of constant reinfections might sound bad, but the truth is that we’ve never tested this widely for any other virus in history. Our knowledge of SARS-2, its reaction to vaccines, and its associations with all-cause mortality, is totally unique and we have no basis for comparison"
Well put. I've been trying to make this point to people. We cannot compare Covid to anything else because we've never measured anything else the way we have been measuring Covid. It is precisely this phenomenon - presenting Covid numbers in a complete vacuum, which sound big and scary for the simple reason that the world has 8 billion people - that has caused all of the hysteria and enabled the Covid authoritarians.
exactly right, and playing the same game at the expense of the vaccinators (who, in a certain sense, 'own' the infections now) might have its rhetorical advantages, but it's ultimately the same mistake as team lockdown made from the very beginning
Yeah, I've proposed calling this phenomenon Leonardi's law, after a notorious Twitter cult leader: The phenomenon whereby obsessively gazing at any particular virus seems to inevitably make it look uniquely scary.
I've shown before that if you were to closely gaze at the scientific literature available for cytomegalovirus, herpes simplex type 1, certain adenoviruses, you would also run into statistical correlations and strange phenomena you wouldn't like. Decreased bone density, a link to obesity, you can find all sorts of strange observations in connection to the adenoviruses. With the herpes type viruses you see a link to dementia and immunosenescence.
I still wouldn't rule out the possibility that something is in fact uniquely scary about this Wuhan concoction, but Leonardi's law is a problem I see almost everyone eventually succumb to when staring too closely at this virus, regardless of where you started out. It's especially true for those without a real scientific background, who are not familiar with P-hacking, publication bias and all the other limitations intrinsic to the scientific process.
As a simple example, I would like to remind everyone of 2020, when we were all told that this virus was going to infect your testicles and make you infertile. The cynic would say these studies were aimed at the demographic most reluctant to participate in this global group psychosis, but it's now 2022, we have countries where most people have been infected multiple times before receiving any vaccine and I'd ask: Has anyone seen a country where something strange has happened to the birth rate? I've looked and I haven't seen it.
Skepticism is warranted for a lot of scientific reporting. And yet, it's equally mistaken to arrive at the conclusion that you can just ignore scientific warnings. We also suffer cognitive biases that prohibit us from recognizing potential existential threats. Mentally healthy people have a psychological immune system that tends to prohibit them from recognizing big problems.
It's a tough needle to thread in the current information environment. In 2020, I began with the presumption that institutions like the New York Times, the WHO, the CDC, scientific journals, etc., were, for the most part, telling me something approximating the truth. I now begin with the presumption that I'm being misled, if not outright lied to, by these institutions. This shift in presumptions makes sense-making a lot more complicated. And, frankly, exhausting.
And it could well lead me to not taking something seriously that I should take seriously. For instance, I'm entirely dismissive of the monkeypox scare. I'm pretty sure my attitude is the correct one here. But I could be proven catastrophically wrong!
David, regarding your last sentence. No, I don’t think you’ll be proven catastrophically wrong. What I do think is that the propaganda and fearmongering is still affecting you, just a little bit. The ‘Monkeypox scare’ should definitely be dismissed. Think about it. It’s ludicrous.
Yes, I am legitimately afraid of the propaganda and hysteria it could unleash, and not at all afraid of the monkeypox virus. But one could see theoretically how this worldview could bite me in the ass- there could theoretically someday be a dangerous virus or bacteria I should legitimately be afraid of and take action against. But I wouldn’t believe, and thus wouldn’t heed, the “public health” establishment warnings. But in the meantime, there is nothing to fear but the public health establishment itself.
The test itself is worthless. Which means we know zero about any of it. You have numbers based on a bogus test that for all we know is showing any type of cold or virus as a covid positive. The entire thing is and was a sham. It was simply some type of novel virus that deserved zero mitigation strategy. We were and are being completely conned, and I’m starting to believe all this new world order stuff as the real reason.
Yeah. I was pondering this - I think that if you did a search of pubmed and compared the number of hits for different viruses you'd find that SARS-COV-2 has, in just over two years, become the most studied virus in history. I'm speculating, I'm too lazy to test it (anyone want to?). But, yeah, we have no context for all the information we have about Covid. Like, form example, it does all these scary things to evade immunity. PANIC! Well, I'll bet the the common run of the mill Rhinoviruses have some clever tricks to evade immunity. If they didn't they wouldn't still be with us after all this time. I'll bet they also can do nasty things to organs if they become blood-bound. There is just never any context given to any of the Covid news. It's always presented as, 'be afraid, SARS-COV-2 does X' without saying whether doing X is unusual for viruses.
>'be afraid, SARS-COV-2 does X' without saying whether doing X is unusual for viruses.
I would add that we're also always told about it when SARS-COV-2 does X, but not when SARS-COV-2 no longer does X.
"SARS-COV-2 does X!" Ok, but does it still do X now that we all have some degree of immunity?
"SARS-COV-2 does X!" Ok, but which variant of SARS-COV-2 exactly? The extinct Wuhan strain?
Real world example:
"SARS-COV-2 has a superantigen site!" Ok cool, I've looked this old zero COVID claim up and there are now at least two mutations in that "superantigen site" with the Omicron variants. Is it still a superantigen today? I don't have the background required to answer that question myself and I've seen exactly nobody who is willing to offer an answer.
What you say is true, together with the fact that prior to March 2020 contagion, viruses, epidemics, respiratory diseases, infection control, Human Anatomy and physiology were entirely unknown to medical science.
Covid swept through my household (five people) a few weeks ago for the first time. We treated it with the FLCCC IVM protocol. No one got very sick and everyone recovered within a couple of days.
That being said, it was worse than a cold and also more contagious. It is the first time ever that everyone in my house got sick at the same time. The fever and cough were worse than any viruses I've had recently. There is a real novel virus, dissimilar from others I've had, spreading like wildfire. But, yeah, it was not that much worse than ordinary viruses. None of the interventions are at all justified or justifiable, especially now with Omicron.
That's the first question that popped into my mind as well. I remember when we used to get a seasonal illness and just said, "I got a cold, or the flu" and we just stayed home for a few days, ate some soup, watched TV and read a book and moved on with life, Without *ever* getting tested. Now everything is supposedly "covid" and we are supposed to rush out and get a *useless* test to tell us we have to, um, stay home for a few days, eat some soup, drink water and watch TV or read a book. I'll never get over the utter madness that's gone on.
i know someone who was really sick, felt like crap, missed a week of work and said "thank god it wasn't covid!" who cares? being sick is being sick no matter what name you give it
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
But, the PCR is not a diagnostic test. It has an extremely high rate of false negatives, and false positives. So to me, it’s the opposite of helpful. They’ve succeeded at getting people using and trusting the results of this test. Why? To propagate and continue the fear and obsession. And to make $ for certain companies. They never even deny that the test is a load of crap. So, why use it?
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
There are many kinds of cold causing viruses, but various of them are just as infectious. They are typically not as bad indeed. But the idea that never everybody in your household got sick at the same time is in your imagination. They were not as bad as covid-19, so you simply did not notice everybody having a few days of sneezing, being tired, coughing etc. But if one of your kids has Rhino, all of you will be having Rhino that same week. 100% guaranteed.
Everyone in my house except for me grew up in rural Southeast Asia. Consequently, they have amazing immune systems and never get sick. I (having grown up in the sterile urban West) often get sick, without infecting anyone else in my house. They may all be carrying the viruses. But this is definitely the first time ever in my house everyone got sick, i.e. had symptoms of illness. And as a group we were definitely sicker than we've ever been. Which, again, is not saying much. It was not a big deal. But it was definitely different from anything we've experienced in the past.
I believe all viruses start that way. They are very nasty because they are not well adapted to their new hosts. They evolve rapidly to play in a nicer way, because that improves their long term ability to survive.
The original covid-19 strains were also a lung-virus. The current BA.x are all upper respiratory. Not yet the snotty nose yet, but dominantly throat not lungs. This also drives a lot of the reinfections. Pre-omicron immunity, let alone shots, produce very little IgA antibodies and matching cellular immunity in the upper respiratory track. One stidy showed where pre-omicron natural immunity was >90% it dropped to just 60%. That means 100% of the vaxed and 40% of the ones who had it could get omicron.
And then of course everybody can get any other illness AND get re-exposed to covid and test postive, while their symptoms are from the other illness as covid is not able to replicate string enough. After all PCR tests do not indicate strength, only that you've had some exposure.
A respiratory infection never caused me to lose my sense of smell or have long term cardiovascular problems before January 2020. But the response is overblown and has caused unnecessary damage. The worst part is the division which both sides no doubt bear some responsibility for.
Right. The central lie is that this is a deadly disease. It’s not. It never was. This has been obvious to any thinking person since March 2020.
In the face of complete societal destruction, I try my best to be optimistic. For more than two years, governments and the corporate media have demonstrated conclusively that they cannot be trusted. I used to think of these people as librarians or kindergarten teachers — stupid but essentially well-meaning. I now believe that everything they do and say is in my *worst* interest
Before covid, I did not vote or keep up with current events. I trusted that I would be taken care of. Not anymore. I know many other people who have had similar revelations. By overplaying their hands with restrictions and mandates, the elites may have awakened a sleeping giant.
When I see accomplished, otherwise smart people still wearing the face diaper and staying apart from everyone else, I know the 2 years of PsyOps have succeeded and there’s almost no hope of a path back for them. For those who have woken up, bravo.
the concern is that every person who has been injected with mRNA instructions may be constructing amyloidosis fibrous structures inside their bodies, and that it’s only a matter of time before they block major arteries or cause heart attacks, strokes or other acute causes of “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” (SADS).
So many disasters, hard to choose one. I suspect this is why we like to see the experimental phase BEFORE the widespread administration of a medication. Maybe?
The main issue from me is not the new theory, but more that I think people are picking up on studies and making tangential inferences from said studies. I saw people talking about the amyloidosis and a hydrogel study, and yes proteins change conformations in various pH, but then we should apply that knowledge to physiological pH, the pH within various organelles or cells, and the bioactive nature of said misfolded protein. But instead, a protein misfolded under acidic conditions and it may mean that prion disease may be caused by the vax.
I have plenty of concerns over the vaccine, but I'm disappointed at how many intelligent people are going down this rabbit hole. Or maybe I'm just the weird one and missing the picture.
Poll groups are getting a LOT of business lately. Funny how the epithet "ultra MAGA" seems to have backfired. Just like "deplorable" (obviously poll tested) was used by Clinton and it backfired too.
Between VAERS and tons of anecdotes, it seems that SOMETHING is happening to many vaxxed people - just today I spoke with an acquaintance who had a severe reaction . Looks like that could be a more significant consequence than the actual virus.
Because it doesn't 'fit the narrative'. It's the exact opposite of 'fitting'. No way in hell they are going to publicize this until government tells MSM HOW to handle it, or it government loses communication control.
So I guess that DHS will blame 'narrative' changing to "foreign actors". Nothing is mentioned about the first "narrative" being a lie.
Since Russia seems to have accomplished many of it's goals, and the US/NATO seems to accomplished far less than their goals (didn't weaken Russia, enabled Russia/China alliance, hurt the EU and US economically, and removed Russia from further sanctions, effectively) will Russia continue to be the scapegoat? Or are they going to change the subject?
Don't count Biden out just yet, I don't think we've plumbed the depths of his (their) political machinations yet.
It's a legitimate concern, at this point. I wonder if this phenomenon is mitigable? Not everybody dies from this (blood vessels filling up with new types of "clots"), do they? First thing is (IMO) is that we cannot trust the people currently in charge right now. They need to be replaced. There are tons of honest, intelligent people, in the health care business, finance guys (Ed who used to work in Blackrock, who has 'blown' the whistle regarding excess mortality) to doctors (McCullough, Zelenko, too many others to name) and to a much smaller extent: journalists (Alex Berenson is one, IMO not too many more. This should have been a gig for MSM, speaking "truth to power". Instead it's MSM complicit) who absolutely want to help/understand/volunteer and we have to replace people like Fauci (and put him in jail, surely he has broken laws when he 'outsourced' biological weapons to Eco Health/China) and Francis Collins (already gone) and FDA, NAIAD and other 'captured' agencies. Certainly remove the CDC, they've made so many mistakes and lied so completely/often that they are no longer a 'authority')
I just wonder what is happening/will happen regarding governments and their (deliberate in many places) unconstitutional decrees (in USA) and being completely wrong regarding 'vaccines' and cheap, effective (and suppressed) drugs and how many died unnecessarily. That has to be worked out, and it will be interesting if the globalists manage to keep the main conclusions 'quiet'. The US certainly would be a different nation under Trump, and the reactions from the US government will be completely different. Can you imagine the noise when MSM detected a 'problem' with Trump in charge? They still can do that, but it is not going to have NEARLY the same effect as if MSM had brought attention to 'vaccines' when Trump was still president.
I'm equating the masks as a metaphor. For the ppl who psychologically are masked....they've yet to mature and become transparent in relationships or spiritually, no vulnuerablility and therefore they do not want to connect or engage in that deeper human way. A hidden self, completely opposite from the persona they make up to project. It's exactly what virtue signalling is...phoniness and being externally focused about how you are perceived. I know b/c I did it until I started waking up in mid 30's and the journey has been slow. But thank God for forward progress. Notice all the politicians who preached masks and wore them contuiously for the cameras? Those are sure signs of narcissists. These ppl aren't safe nor trustworthy b/c they have no integrity. What I call heartless b/c they have no truth or intimacy with self. That is where the hatred comes from when they lash out at hearing truth, they're not even truthful with themselves so they attack truth or else they'd have to admit to themselves that they are a complete sham. Which is where salvation begins...enter Jesus.
John you are wrong I diagnosed it almost from day one as a mental illness . It was the easiest diagnosis I ever made in my 86 years and I accomplished it with my O I.Q.
May I suggest ‘intelligent’ rather than ‘smart’. Smart people didn’t get sucked into this whole Pantomime of the Grotesque. There is no correlation between intelligence and smart - if anything there is an inverse relationship, in my experience.
and let's not forget the newest happening, from the most recognized celebrity with half his face paralyzed from 'shingles' virus, yeah, straight from the vax I'd bet. And his 25 yr old wife had a brain blood clot and mini-stroke in March! Not sure what to make of the "small hole in her heart that needed repair" but a slim chance it could be vax related too? Justin Bieber and wife. I seriously wonder if the pharma handlers swoop in and offer millions for them to keep quiet?
They don't need to. They got their officially-approved diagnosis and won't question it because they'd lose their audience if they did Never turn over a rock if you don't want to find a bug...
The New York Times comments section on anything Covid related is horrifying. They LOVE their face diapers. They won’t give them up without a fight. They’ve become like sacred talismans that ward off evil spirits.
I think too many people on all sides now are hysterically invested in Big Doom, 'cause the sky is always falling somewhere, ain't it?
The pro-vax people desperately need all the refuseniks to die, slowly, horribly, with vents down their throats till the last rattle.
And many of the refuseniks--those without loved ones who took the vax for a myriad of reasons--desperately need every vaxed person to die, slowly, horribly, decaying from within, as proof of their idiocy and as revenge for every cruelty and restriction all of us were subject to.
Because, you know, human nature is the same all over. "You fucking morons!" is the world's favorite battle cry, available in all dialects.
I'll admit I'm not a person of restrained temperament at the best of times, but I try to be better, and I dislike when innocents suffer, regardless of the cause, and we all need to let go of our favorite game.
You've been a trusty companion through the crocodile-infested swamp and I ain't gonna doubt you now.
When the Covid vaccines were first widely administered I heard multiple people say that they believed the vaccinated people would all die in mass-numbers over the coming months as part of the "depopulation agenda".
I think you're exactly right - it comes from an innate human desire to be proved "right". People felt persecuted by the immoral and overreaching propaganda campaign of the vaccines plus the mandates and passports and so needed to imagine that something apocalyptic would happen to the vaxxed to definitively show that they were on the "right side"
Viruses are complicated, but much easier to understand than the humans they infect. Viruses mutate, so understanding one virus doesn't necessarily translate to understanding its progeny. But there is considerably more diversity in humans than in viruses, so the real challenge is to determine how any individual virus will affect any individual human. The sars2 experience has proven that we're all different. The best approach seems to be maximizing our health, in order to support the also complex human immune system to perform its historic role to defend against viruses.
My dad lives in a fancy apartment community in Northern Virginia [(ashby ponds) Very expensive but excellent situation if you can afford it]
My daddy is 98. He has had all 4 shots available via pfizer I believe.
He is doing okay, but he is tough.
The neighbor across the hall, healthy guy, a little younger, after the first two shots, complained of chest pain and breathing issues. Eventually they took an xray and saw he had a spot on his lung. They did a Bx and found a bit of cancer. He got chemo.
Then he got a booster #1 and the cancer spread and became untreatable.
He died last week. Sweet funny guy. My heart breaks for his wife.
When the Delta wave first hit India and the lying Legacy Media draped itself in the bloody entrails of useless statistics like "3 thousand dying a day!!!!!" I then remember asking someone how many people die everyday in India on a normal day.... It's over 27,000....
It was always a spiritual-metaphysical battle,the virus is just like The Maltese Falcon.It’s the title of the movie but it’s The MacGuffin.Everything since the last 4th turning,liberalism,scientism,progressivism hit the wall.The Boomer in control weren’t ready to face the fact after living the in the greatest technology time that they were all going to die ,everything going on now in Boomers reliving the late 1960s and buying time because they still believe the transhumance fountain of youth exists.In some ways a much worse virus with higher fatality,just enough to collapse the modern state but not the civilization around it would have been better.The better did come however,Pulter probably outflanked our idiotic western leaders and it’s the only reason the whole thing has a chance to collapse in the quickest and best possible outcome.That is all that is left ,just best possible outcomes,but they are all terrible.
I met some friends over the weekend in a bar in Sacramento, California. It was 101F outside (38.3 Celsius), probably 72F inside. Place was dirty, and I probably picked up every virus known to man, including Hep A-F, and I still don't think I'm going to die from the viruses. Maybe from the headache I got from the drinks, but that was definitely self-immolation on a Saturday afternoon, all these fear mongers need to take a chill pill.
Maybe go to Nairobi on a bender and sample a bunch of street whores over a week or so. Eat plenty of roadside bushmeat, poorly cooked of course. If you survive your newly adapted immune system will be impervious.
> We really understand almost nothing about how viruses other than SARS-2 ordinarily behave
This reminds me of something Curtis wrote on Gray Mirror:
> In particular, it has long been known that a month-long hard lockdown eradicates all respiratory viruses, perhaps with occasional remnants to be cleaned up by spot treatment.
To which I had to share this eye-opening paper: "An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation"
Faced with a virus which refused to behave like the Black Death, the panic-mongers distracted everyone with transmission, making it the danger, not the actual effect. Then stopping the spread became the mission - test, test, test; vax, vax, vax.
The Masses are easily distracted.
Even that ran out of steam in time when the vaccines, masks, etc supposedly to stop the spread obviously didn’t, it spread anyway and without bodies of dead grannies piling up in the streets.
So new variants spreading, is all they’ve got left to try and stoke up the panic anew.
As for all cause mortality. Given the absolute unreliability of the data of alleged CoVid deaths, plus lots of unexplained dying going on that is non-CoVid related, excess mortality data to draw conclusions about CoVid is tainted in most Countries except for Sweden (which may include some vaccine deaths) and which shows no overall increase in excess mortality.
I think excess mortality for other Countries should be viewed in that light and I could easily be persuaded that deaths caused by CoVid alone are so few as to be lost in the background noise.
CoVid is, in my view, a global non-event… on the other hand the behaviour of Governments is the real dangerous pandemic.
I refuse to ever write or verbally say "The Pandemic" when referring to these past two years. Doing so would give power to the lie. I use "The Madness" or "The Hysteria". Words have great power so we much chose wisely.
Once infected with a micro-organism we acquire immunity to it. We do not get repeated re-infections. Covid 19 is diagnosed on the basis of a PCR test. PCR tests CANNOT tell us if someone is actively infected or not.. It should not be used as a surrogate marker of infection or as a diagnostic test because it is not a diagnostic test. Those who think they have repeated infection, are simply people who keep coming up positive on the PCR test. They DO NOT have repeated COVID 19. They may have influenza, or RSV or a host of othe illnesses, but not repeat COVID.
If you did indeed have Covid, you woud have developed immunity to it and would not have had another bout, so a person symptomatic again will not be due to "repeat" infection with covid.
Covid is the illness from SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 has mutated and, as a result, many people have experienced illness (Covid) as a result of being infected with the mutations.
"mutations" / variants very closely resemble the original virus, and there is significant. similarity between the original and the subsequent virus for (natural) immunity to protect the individual. One would not get reinfected within weeks or months, the original infection, perhaps even years, perhaps never. Why, because each time we get exposed to a variant, our existing immunity provides protection, and now, having being exposed to the new variants, complete protection is acquired against these as well. So all this talk about multiple waves of infection, and repeated reinfection from variants makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Not the case. If you are unvaxed and get Covid (as I did a year ago) you have a natural immunity that is many times better than the putative "immunity" the vaccine affords. I walked home from the hospital (where I got tested to see if once I kicked it I could go about my life w/o wringing my hands) and smoked a cigarette. I kicked it two days layer w/o a second thought and have total disdain for the maskers and have lost total respect for a few good friends and Im sure one day Ill be hit by a car but meanwhile those who were fooled by Fauci are a joke and those who wear masks are the jesters for the jokes and I don't want the vaxxed to suffer any bad consequences but they are, many, and that's my only ongoing question: it's not just money the vax pushers are after. There's something bigger (for sure) and I don't know what it is and don't believe anyone who says otherwise. But we all know this deep down inside. Not all of them are evil of course. But quite a few are, or they wouldn't have told the fraudulently elected Biden to say his patience is wearing thin with the likes of me. Yawn.
Here's where I betray my relative ignorance: I thought "rhinovirus" was a kitchen-sink term for a family of distinct upper-respiratory viruses with relatively mild symptoms?
there’s substantial cross immunity across rhinovirus strains, various conserved proteins (they’re all related viruses), similar symptoms etc. but yes, it’s more on the influenza side of pursuing diversity as a strategy.
"Reports of constant reinfections might sound bad, but the truth is that we’ve never tested this widely for any other virus in history. Our knowledge of SARS-2, its reaction to vaccines, and its associations with all-cause mortality, is totally unique and we have no basis for comparison"
Well put. I've been trying to make this point to people. We cannot compare Covid to anything else because we've never measured anything else the way we have been measuring Covid. It is precisely this phenomenon - presenting Covid numbers in a complete vacuum, which sound big and scary for the simple reason that the world has 8 billion people - that has caused all of the hysteria and enabled the Covid authoritarians.
exactly right, and playing the same game at the expense of the vaccinators (who, in a certain sense, 'own' the infections now) might have its rhetorical advantages, but it's ultimately the same mistake as team lockdown made from the very beginning
Those were VOLUNTARY mistakes... obviously...
Yeah, I've proposed calling this phenomenon Leonardi's law, after a notorious Twitter cult leader: The phenomenon whereby obsessively gazing at any particular virus seems to inevitably make it look uniquely scary.
I've shown before that if you were to closely gaze at the scientific literature available for cytomegalovirus, herpes simplex type 1, certain adenoviruses, you would also run into statistical correlations and strange phenomena you wouldn't like. Decreased bone density, a link to obesity, you can find all sorts of strange observations in connection to the adenoviruses. With the herpes type viruses you see a link to dementia and immunosenescence.
I still wouldn't rule out the possibility that something is in fact uniquely scary about this Wuhan concoction, but Leonardi's law is a problem I see almost everyone eventually succumb to when staring too closely at this virus, regardless of where you started out. It's especially true for those without a real scientific background, who are not familiar with P-hacking, publication bias and all the other limitations intrinsic to the scientific process.
As a simple example, I would like to remind everyone of 2020, when we were all told that this virus was going to infect your testicles and make you infertile. The cynic would say these studies were aimed at the demographic most reluctant to participate in this global group psychosis, but it's now 2022, we have countries where most people have been infected multiple times before receiving any vaccine and I'd ask: Has anyone seen a country where something strange has happened to the birth rate? I've looked and I haven't seen it.
Skepticism is warranted for a lot of scientific reporting. And yet, it's equally mistaken to arrive at the conclusion that you can just ignore scientific warnings. We also suffer cognitive biases that prohibit us from recognizing potential existential threats. Mentally healthy people have a psychological immune system that tends to prohibit them from recognizing big problems.
~rintrah
It's a tough needle to thread in the current information environment. In 2020, I began with the presumption that institutions like the New York Times, the WHO, the CDC, scientific journals, etc., were, for the most part, telling me something approximating the truth. I now begin with the presumption that I'm being misled, if not outright lied to, by these institutions. This shift in presumptions makes sense-making a lot more complicated. And, frankly, exhausting.
And it could well lead me to not taking something seriously that I should take seriously. For instance, I'm entirely dismissive of the monkeypox scare. I'm pretty sure my attitude is the correct one here. But I could be proven catastrophically wrong!
David, regarding your last sentence. No, I don’t think you’ll be proven catastrophically wrong. What I do think is that the propaganda and fearmongering is still affecting you, just a little bit. The ‘Monkeypox scare’ should definitely be dismissed. Think about it. It’s ludicrous.
Yes, I am legitimately afraid of the propaganda and hysteria it could unleash, and not at all afraid of the monkeypox virus. But one could see theoretically how this worldview could bite me in the ass- there could theoretically someday be a dangerous virus or bacteria I should legitimately be afraid of and take action against. But I wouldn’t believe, and thus wouldn’t heed, the “public health” establishment warnings. But in the meantime, there is nothing to fear but the public health establishment itself.
That's the whole point of cautions about crying wolf.
It's like you're reading my mind. Eerie.
David you would not be dismissive if the gorilla pox visits you ,then you would be catastrophically wrong .
The meerkat pox. That's the one we really need to keep a lookout for.
"Leonardi's law,...: The phenomenon whereby obsessively gazing at any particular virus seems to inevitably make it look uniquely scary."
Isn't this just like the well-known observation that anyone reading a list of symptoms will immediately believe they have all those symptoms?
The test itself is worthless. Which means we know zero about any of it. You have numbers based on a bogus test that for all we know is showing any type of cold or virus as a covid positive. The entire thing is and was a sham. It was simply some type of novel virus that deserved zero mitigation strategy. We were and are being completely conned, and I’m starting to believe all this new world order stuff as the real reason.
And let’s not forget about the bio labs. They should all be shut down. As we write here, they’re creating more diseases. It’s got to stop.
Yeah. I was pondering this - I think that if you did a search of pubmed and compared the number of hits for different viruses you'd find that SARS-COV-2 has, in just over two years, become the most studied virus in history. I'm speculating, I'm too lazy to test it (anyone want to?). But, yeah, we have no context for all the information we have about Covid. Like, form example, it does all these scary things to evade immunity. PANIC! Well, I'll bet the the common run of the mill Rhinoviruses have some clever tricks to evade immunity. If they didn't they wouldn't still be with us after all this time. I'll bet they also can do nasty things to organs if they become blood-bound. There is just never any context given to any of the Covid news. It's always presented as, 'be afraid, SARS-COV-2 does X' without saying whether doing X is unusual for viruses.
>'be afraid, SARS-COV-2 does X' without saying whether doing X is unusual for viruses.
I would add that we're also always told about it when SARS-COV-2 does X, but not when SARS-COV-2 no longer does X.
"SARS-COV-2 does X!" Ok, but does it still do X now that we all have some degree of immunity?
"SARS-COV-2 does X!" Ok, but which variant of SARS-COV-2 exactly? The extinct Wuhan strain?
Real world example:
"SARS-COV-2 has a superantigen site!" Ok cool, I've looked this old zero COVID claim up and there are now at least two mutations in that "superantigen site" with the Omicron variants. Is it still a superantigen today? I don't have the background required to answer that question myself and I've seen exactly nobody who is willing to offer an answer.
Ditto for "climate change".
EXACTLY!
What you say is true, together with the fact that prior to March 2020 contagion, viruses, epidemics, respiratory diseases, infection control, Human Anatomy and physiology were entirely unknown to medical science.
Covid swept through my household (five people) a few weeks ago for the first time. We treated it with the FLCCC IVM protocol. No one got very sick and everyone recovered within a couple of days.
That being said, it was worse than a cold and also more contagious. It is the first time ever that everyone in my house got sick at the same time. The fever and cough were worse than any viruses I've had recently. There is a real novel virus, dissimilar from others I've had, spreading like wildfire. But, yeah, it was not that much worse than ordinary viruses. None of the interventions are at all justified or justifiable, especially now with Omicron.
How do you know it’s CONvid? Let me guess…you took a test. 🤦♀️
That's the first question that popped into my mind as well. I remember when we used to get a seasonal illness and just said, "I got a cold, or the flu" and we just stayed home for a few days, ate some soup, watched TV and read a book and moved on with life, Without *ever* getting tested. Now everything is supposedly "covid" and we are supposed to rush out and get a *useless* test to tell us we have to, um, stay home for a few days, eat some soup, drink water and watch TV or read a book. I'll never get over the utter madness that's gone on.
i know someone who was really sick, felt like crap, missed a week of work and said "thank god it wasn't covid!" who cares? being sick is being sick no matter what name you give it
WHY ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE STILL TAKING TESTS???? WAKE UP!
I’ve never tested and I never will. And I lost my job because I refuse to test. Take your test (made in Chyna) and shove it up your CONvid ass!
1000👍💥
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
But, the PCR is not a diagnostic test. It has an extremely high rate of false negatives, and false positives. So to me, it’s the opposite of helpful. They’ve succeeded at getting people using and trusting the results of this test. Why? To propagate and continue the fear and obsession. And to make $ for certain companies. They never even deny that the test is a load of crap. So, why use it?
Well, I didn't specify PCR test. I know the antibody tests are also highly inaccurate, as are many lab tests for other things.
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
Actually, if I got sick I *would* test. Only so that I could more intelligently talk to people about how covid isn't necessarily so bad. (Perhaps arrogantly, I'm assuming I wouldn't get very sick!)
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get sick despite not trying not to. I haven't had even a cold since making a major lifestyle change in 2010, and this is acting just like another common virus in that way, for me.
There are many kinds of cold causing viruses, but various of them are just as infectious. They are typically not as bad indeed. But the idea that never everybody in your household got sick at the same time is in your imagination. They were not as bad as covid-19, so you simply did not notice everybody having a few days of sneezing, being tired, coughing etc. But if one of your kids has Rhino, all of you will be having Rhino that same week. 100% guaranteed.
Everyone in my house except for me grew up in rural Southeast Asia. Consequently, they have amazing immune systems and never get sick. I (having grown up in the sterile urban West) often get sick, without infecting anyone else in my house. They may all be carrying the viruses. But this is definitely the first time ever in my house everyone got sick, i.e. had symptoms of illness. And as a group we were definitely sicker than we've ever been. Which, again, is not saying much. It was not a big deal. But it was definitely different from anything we've experienced in the past.
I believe all viruses start that way. They are very nasty because they are not well adapted to their new hosts. They evolve rapidly to play in a nicer way, because that improves their long term ability to survive.
The original covid-19 strains were also a lung-virus. The current BA.x are all upper respiratory. Not yet the snotty nose yet, but dominantly throat not lungs. This also drives a lot of the reinfections. Pre-omicron immunity, let alone shots, produce very little IgA antibodies and matching cellular immunity in the upper respiratory track. One stidy showed where pre-omicron natural immunity was >90% it dropped to just 60%. That means 100% of the vaxed and 40% of the ones who had it could get omicron.
And then of course everybody can get any other illness AND get re-exposed to covid and test postive, while their symptoms are from the other illness as covid is not able to replicate string enough. After all PCR tests do not indicate strength, only that you've had some exposure.
A respiratory infection never caused me to lose my sense of smell or have long term cardiovascular problems before January 2020. But the response is overblown and has caused unnecessary damage. The worst part is the division which both sides no doubt bear some responsibility for.
Right. The central lie is that this is a deadly disease. It’s not. It never was. This has been obvious to any thinking person since March 2020.
In the face of complete societal destruction, I try my best to be optimistic. For more than two years, governments and the corporate media have demonstrated conclusively that they cannot be trusted. I used to think of these people as librarians or kindergarten teachers — stupid but essentially well-meaning. I now believe that everything they do and say is in my *worst* interest
Before covid, I did not vote or keep up with current events. I trusted that I would be taken care of. Not anymore. I know many other people who have had similar revelations. By overplaying their hands with restrictions and mandates, the elites may have awakened a sleeping giant.
When I see accomplished, otherwise smart people still wearing the face diaper and staying apart from everyone else, I know the 2 years of PsyOps have succeeded and there’s almost no hope of a path back for them. For those who have woken up, bravo.
the concern is that every person who has been injected with mRNA instructions may be constructing amyloidosis fibrous structures inside their bodies, and that it’s only a matter of time before they block major arteries or cause heart attacks, strokes or other acute causes of “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” (SADS).
the thing is, it feels like every time i go online there's a new theory about what the concern is.
So many disasters, hard to choose one. I suspect this is why we like to see the experimental phase BEFORE the widespread administration of a medication. Maybe?
The main issue from me is not the new theory, but more that I think people are picking up on studies and making tangential inferences from said studies. I saw people talking about the amyloidosis and a hydrogel study, and yes proteins change conformations in various pH, but then we should apply that knowledge to physiological pH, the pH within various organelles or cells, and the bioactive nature of said misfolded protein. But instead, a protein misfolded under acidic conditions and it may mean that prion disease may be caused by the vax.
I have plenty of concerns over the vaccine, but I'm disappointed at how many intelligent people are going down this rabbit hole. Or maybe I'm just the weird one and missing the picture.
it is not easy to figure out by definition.
Are you sure they are intelligent ,to me they prove otherwise and my I.Q. is only about O .
The new theories are the inevitable result of the official lies.
Poll groups are getting a LOT of business lately. Funny how the epithet "ultra MAGA" seems to have backfired. Just like "deplorable" (obviously poll tested) was used by Clinton and it backfired too.
Everything liberals throw out there is going to backfire because we deplorable ultra maga conservative insurrectionists are RIGHT.
Between VAERS and tons of anecdotes, it seems that SOMETHING is happening to many vaxxed people - just today I spoke with an acquaintance who had a severe reaction . Looks like that could be a more significant consequence than the actual virus.
i know, as malone said they have been gaming it for 20 years ...
Fear of the unknown does create that as we are swamped with conflicting data/opinion/new experts.
yes, a genuine mistake ... who would have thought ... yeah well, fauci is only 95 years old .. he will learn for next time ..
There were 61,000 excess deaths in 18-45 age group in the US last year (2021). No reporting on that.
Because it doesn't 'fit the narrative'. It's the exact opposite of 'fitting'. No way in hell they are going to publicize this until government tells MSM HOW to handle it, or it government loses communication control.
Maybe this is why in February 2022, Department of Homeland Security, put out this warning https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-february-07-2022
So I guess that DHS will blame 'narrative' changing to "foreign actors". Nothing is mentioned about the first "narrative" being a lie.
Since Russia seems to have accomplished many of it's goals, and the US/NATO seems to accomplished far less than their goals (didn't weaken Russia, enabled Russia/China alliance, hurt the EU and US economically, and removed Russia from further sanctions, effectively) will Russia continue to be the scapegoat? Or are they going to change the subject?
Don't count Biden out just yet, I don't think we've plumbed the depths of his (their) political machinations yet.
https://hannenabintuherland.com/usa/up-to-65-increase-in-u-s-deaths-2021-among-18-49-year-olds-why/
They sure don't want there to be "vaccine hesitancy". 🙄Sick of the madness.
It's a legitimate concern, at this point. I wonder if this phenomenon is mitigable? Not everybody dies from this (blood vessels filling up with new types of "clots"), do they? First thing is (IMO) is that we cannot trust the people currently in charge right now. They need to be replaced. There are tons of honest, intelligent people, in the health care business, finance guys (Ed who used to work in Blackrock, who has 'blown' the whistle regarding excess mortality) to doctors (McCullough, Zelenko, too many others to name) and to a much smaller extent: journalists (Alex Berenson is one, IMO not too many more. This should have been a gig for MSM, speaking "truth to power". Instead it's MSM complicit) who absolutely want to help/understand/volunteer and we have to replace people like Fauci (and put him in jail, surely he has broken laws when he 'outsourced' biological weapons to Eco Health/China) and Francis Collins (already gone) and FDA, NAIAD and other 'captured' agencies. Certainly remove the CDC, they've made so many mistakes and lied so completely/often that they are no longer a 'authority')
I just wonder what is happening/will happen regarding governments and their (deliberate in many places) unconstitutional decrees (in USA) and being completely wrong regarding 'vaccines' and cheap, effective (and suppressed) drugs and how many died unnecessarily. That has to be worked out, and it will be interesting if the globalists manage to keep the main conclusions 'quiet'. The US certainly would be a different nation under Trump, and the reactions from the US government will be completely different. Can you imagine the noise when MSM detected a 'problem' with Trump in charge? They still can do that, but it is not going to have NEARLY the same effect as if MSM had brought attention to 'vaccines' when Trump was still president.
pandelis its something that will happen in a matter of time ,it is happening right now
I'm equating the masks as a metaphor. For the ppl who psychologically are masked....they've yet to mature and become transparent in relationships or spiritually, no vulnuerablility and therefore they do not want to connect or engage in that deeper human way. A hidden self, completely opposite from the persona they make up to project. It's exactly what virtue signalling is...phoniness and being externally focused about how you are perceived. I know b/c I did it until I started waking up in mid 30's and the journey has been slow. But thank God for forward progress. Notice all the politicians who preached masks and wore them contuiously for the cameras? Those are sure signs of narcissists. These ppl aren't safe nor trustworthy b/c they have no integrity. What I call heartless b/c they have no truth or intimacy with self. That is where the hatred comes from when they lash out at hearing truth, they're not even truthful with themselves so they attack truth or else they'd have to admit to themselves that they are a complete sham. Which is where salvation begins...enter Jesus.
Mask wearing = indication of undiagnosed mental illness.
John you are wrong I diagnosed it almost from day one as a mental illness . It was the easiest diagnosis I ever made in my 86 years and I accomplished it with my O I.Q.
AMEN!!!! Awesome comment. I concur.
Well stated. Thanks.
May I suggest ‘intelligent’ rather than ‘smart’. Smart people didn’t get sucked into this whole Pantomime of the Grotesque. There is no correlation between intelligence and smart - if anything there is an inverse relationship, in my experience.
Good point. Spot on.
both the virus and in much more quantities the vaxx contain the spike protein which is prion generating protein.
That and blood clots everywhere.
and let's not forget the newest happening, from the most recognized celebrity with half his face paralyzed from 'shingles' virus, yeah, straight from the vax I'd bet. And his 25 yr old wife had a brain blood clot and mini-stroke in March! Not sure what to make of the "small hole in her heart that needed repair" but a slim chance it could be vax related too? Justin Bieber and wife. I seriously wonder if the pharma handlers swoop in and offer millions for them to keep quiet?
They don't need to. They got their officially-approved diagnosis and won't question it because they'd lose their audience if they did Never turn over a rock if you don't want to find a bug...
these are amyloidosis clots
Amyloidosis, fibrin clots, blood clots. Looks there are a number of clot killers. May depend on jab and host.
amyloid not common before.
I’ve seen it. My point is that there appears to be a spectrum of jab clot death
I read in my science book that lots of German schnaps drinking gets read of your clots .
The New York Times comments section on anything Covid related is horrifying. They LOVE their face diapers. They won’t give them up without a fight. They’ve become like sacred talismans that ward off evil spirits.
Yes since 2020 we not only have a planet full of yrusses but also half a planet full of retards
I think too many people on all sides now are hysterically invested in Big Doom, 'cause the sky is always falling somewhere, ain't it?
The pro-vax people desperately need all the refuseniks to die, slowly, horribly, with vents down their throats till the last rattle.
And many of the refuseniks--those without loved ones who took the vax for a myriad of reasons--desperately need every vaxed person to die, slowly, horribly, decaying from within, as proof of their idiocy and as revenge for every cruelty and restriction all of us were subject to.
Because, you know, human nature is the same all over. "You fucking morons!" is the world's favorite battle cry, available in all dialects.
I'll admit I'm not a person of restrained temperament at the best of times, but I try to be better, and I dislike when innocents suffer, regardless of the cause, and we all need to let go of our favorite game.
You've been a trusty companion through the crocodile-infested swamp and I ain't gonna doubt you now.
Big Doom, I should save that for my own piece if I eventually write one!
When the Covid vaccines were first widely administered I heard multiple people say that they believed the vaccinated people would all die in mass-numbers over the coming months as part of the "depopulation agenda".
I think you're exactly right - it comes from an innate human desire to be proved "right". People felt persecuted by the immoral and overreaching propaganda campaign of the vaccines plus the mandates and passports and so needed to imagine that something apocalyptic would happen to the vaxxed to definitively show that they were on the "right side"
Viruses are complicated, but much easier to understand than the humans they infect. Viruses mutate, so understanding one virus doesn't necessarily translate to understanding its progeny. But there is considerably more diversity in humans than in viruses, so the real challenge is to determine how any individual virus will affect any individual human. The sars2 experience has proven that we're all different. The best approach seems to be maximizing our health, in order to support the also complex human immune system to perform its historic role to defend against viruses.
so true. Very well stated.
My dad lives in a fancy apartment community in Northern Virginia [(ashby ponds) Very expensive but excellent situation if you can afford it]
My daddy is 98. He has had all 4 shots available via pfizer I believe.
He is doing okay, but he is tough.
The neighbor across the hall, healthy guy, a little younger, after the first two shots, complained of chest pain and breathing issues. Eventually they took an xray and saw he had a spot on his lung. They did a Bx and found a bit of cancer. He got chemo.
Then he got a booster #1 and the cancer spread and became untreatable.
He died last week. Sweet funny guy. My heart breaks for his wife.
God bless your dad! That’s really sad and unfortunate when it could have been avoided.
When the Delta wave first hit India and the lying Legacy Media draped itself in the bloody entrails of useless statistics like "3 thousand dying a day!!!!!" I then remember asking someone how many people die everyday in India on a normal day.... It's over 27,000....
Perspective is everything.
Fear porn is the whole point. I was never afraid of the “virus” but I was & remain terrified & angry @ what those in power have done in its name
It was always a spiritual-metaphysical battle,the virus is just like The Maltese Falcon.It’s the title of the movie but it’s The MacGuffin.Everything since the last 4th turning,liberalism,scientism,progressivism hit the wall.The Boomer in control weren’t ready to face the fact after living the in the greatest technology time that they were all going to die ,everything going on now in Boomers reliving the late 1960s and buying time because they still believe the transhumance fountain of youth exists.In some ways a much worse virus with higher fatality,just enough to collapse the modern state but not the civilization around it would have been better.The better did come however,Pulter probably outflanked our idiotic western leaders and it’s the only reason the whole thing has a chance to collapse in the quickest and best possible outcome.That is all that is left ,just best possible outcomes,but they are all terrible.
"When will the pandemic be over, Doctor?"
"How would I know? I'm not a politician."
I met some friends over the weekend in a bar in Sacramento, California. It was 101F outside (38.3 Celsius), probably 72F inside. Place was dirty, and I probably picked up every virus known to man, including Hep A-F, and I still don't think I'm going to die from the viruses. Maybe from the headache I got from the drinks, but that was definitely self-immolation on a Saturday afternoon, all these fear mongers need to take a chill pill.
Maybe go to Nairobi on a bender and sample a bunch of street whores over a week or so. Eat plenty of roadside bushmeat, poorly cooked of course. If you survive your newly adapted immune system will be impervious.
> We really understand almost nothing about how viruses other than SARS-2 ordinarily behave
This reminds me of something Curtis wrote on Gray Mirror:
> In particular, it has long been known that a month-long hard lockdown eradicates all respiratory viruses, perhaps with occasional remnants to be cleaned up by spot treatment.
To which I had to share this eye-opening paper: "An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/pdf/jhyg00082-0026.pdf
>> it has long been known that a month-long hard lockdown eradicates all respiratory viruses,
Did Curtis give any real-world examples whatsoever of this miracle having been accomplished?
Did it involve nuking the site from orbit?
It's the only way to be sure.
Faced with a virus which refused to behave like the Black Death, the panic-mongers distracted everyone with transmission, making it the danger, not the actual effect. Then stopping the spread became the mission - test, test, test; vax, vax, vax.
The Masses are easily distracted.
Even that ran out of steam in time when the vaccines, masks, etc supposedly to stop the spread obviously didn’t, it spread anyway and without bodies of dead grannies piling up in the streets.
So new variants spreading, is all they’ve got left to try and stoke up the panic anew.
As for all cause mortality. Given the absolute unreliability of the data of alleged CoVid deaths, plus lots of unexplained dying going on that is non-CoVid related, excess mortality data to draw conclusions about CoVid is tainted in most Countries except for Sweden (which may include some vaccine deaths) and which shows no overall increase in excess mortality.
I think excess mortality for other Countries should be viewed in that light and I could easily be persuaded that deaths caused by CoVid alone are so few as to be lost in the background noise.
CoVid is, in my view, a global non-event… on the other hand the behaviour of Governments is the real dangerous pandemic.
I was never worried about SARS-2 (unvaxxed and infected twice). It is the public health reaction that worries me.
I feel like we operate under the wrong paradigm and the medical cabal profits from that.
I hate to sound like a broken record (that is a dated aphorism if I ever saw one), BUT, this has not been a viral pandemic extraordinaire.
It's been a pandemic of testing, with much of the results highly flawed
I refuse to ever write or verbally say "The Pandemic" when referring to these past two years. Doing so would give power to the lie. I use "The Madness" or "The Hysteria". Words have great power so we much chose wisely.
Good point!
I usually just call it "bullshit"
Bullshit works.... Don't you believe in the $©ience?
"The Pandemonium" works for me.
Covidians are probably too stupid to know what that means.... 4+ syllables? Never....
Once infected with a micro-organism we acquire immunity to it. We do not get repeated re-infections. Covid 19 is diagnosed on the basis of a PCR test. PCR tests CANNOT tell us if someone is actively infected or not.. It should not be used as a surrogate marker of infection or as a diagnostic test because it is not a diagnostic test. Those who think they have repeated infection, are simply people who keep coming up positive on the PCR test. They DO NOT have repeated COVID 19. They may have influenza, or RSV or a host of othe illnesses, but not repeat COVID.
A civilzation of symbol manipulators is gonna symbol manipulate. -- J Tainter (sort of)
Please describe the difference between covid 19 and influenza
No difference. So called covid symptoms are the symptoms of the flu.
That logic doesn't make sense. ~ "may have influenza, or RSV or a host of other illnesses, but not repeat COVID"
How can you be sure?
If you did indeed have Covid, you woud have developed immunity to it and would not have had another bout, so a person symptomatic again will not be due to "repeat" infection with covid.
Covid is the illness from SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 has mutated and, as a result, many people have experienced illness (Covid) as a result of being infected with the mutations.
"mutations" / variants very closely resemble the original virus, and there is significant. similarity between the original and the subsequent virus for (natural) immunity to protect the individual. One would not get reinfected within weeks or months, the original infection, perhaps even years, perhaps never. Why, because each time we get exposed to a variant, our existing immunity provides protection, and now, having being exposed to the new variants, complete protection is acquired against these as well. So all this talk about multiple waves of infection, and repeated reinfection from variants makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Except that we're taking about having vaccinated masses of people in the middle of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine.
Not the case. If you are unvaxed and get Covid (as I did a year ago) you have a natural immunity that is many times better than the putative "immunity" the vaccine affords. I walked home from the hospital (where I got tested to see if once I kicked it I could go about my life w/o wringing my hands) and smoked a cigarette. I kicked it two days layer w/o a second thought and have total disdain for the maskers and have lost total respect for a few good friends and Im sure one day Ill be hit by a car but meanwhile those who were fooled by Fauci are a joke and those who wear masks are the jesters for the jokes and I don't want the vaxxed to suffer any bad consequences but they are, many, and that's my only ongoing question: it's not just money the vax pushers are after. There's something bigger (for sure) and I don't know what it is and don't believe anyone who says otherwise. But we all know this deep down inside. Not all of them are evil of course. But quite a few are, or they wouldn't have told the fraudulently elected Biden to say his patience is wearing thin with the likes of me. Yawn.
Here's where I betray my relative ignorance: I thought "rhinovirus" was a kitchen-sink term for a family of distinct upper-respiratory viruses with relatively mild symptoms?
it is, there's maybe 150 strains across three species
Thanks, that's what I thought. So when we see statistics about rhinovirus, we're really not talking about one "thing."
there’s substantial cross immunity across rhinovirus strains, various conserved proteins (they’re all related viruses), similar symptoms etc. but yes, it’s more on the influenza side of pursuing diversity as a strategy.
Thank you!
When the rinosaurus went extinct it was replaced by the rhinovirus
Science is so fucking weird. I swear they're just making shit up.