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Xingyi's avatar

well there's plenty of data out there showing that masks do cause harm. so, if they can't figure out what good they do or to what extent, we do have a measure of the downside already.

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The Wiltster's avatar

I remain perplexed by the level of mendaciousness from mask-holes. There was plenty of data, some conclusions even published by the WHO, stating that "there is no evidence that this is effective in reducing transmission," with regard to masking. How the absolute flaming hell can these people say, "we were/are not sure" at this point? I would say I am losing my patience, but that happened 2+ years back.

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SCA's avatar

Considering that they can build a few new Epsteins' (not a grammatical typo) Islands from all the mask trash floating around in the oceans, how they gonna walk that back with all of 'em still in Environmental Apocalypse mode? We know they don't give a damn about people, but "we strangled all the sea turtles for nothing" is staring them in the face.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

It was evident in early 2020 that the masks were an outward manifestation of fealty to the narrative rather than anything that realistically had to do with public health. This was particularly evident when the mandatory part of the Antifa and BLM riot regalia was the mask. It also became an expression of anti-Trumpism. The ACLU still displays mask-wearers prominently on its website. Note how the vast majority of participants in any contemporary leftist protest/riot (pro-abortion, for example) are wearing masks. Thus, my strong urge to punch these people in the area where I believe their teeth are located beneath their mask.

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Notyours's avatar

At the margins, there is a 10% reduction in the probability of you cutting your knuckles on their teeth because of that mask.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

LOL. I'll factor that into the risk calculus.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Our rulers banned me from going to public places because I wouldn't wear a mask. They are trying to ban everything that causes fear. The Covid list of "bans" is too long to list in one column.

https://billricejr.substack.com/p/in-praise-of-banning-gas-stoves

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

Great article. Safetyism and government in loco parentis.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Thanks, JCM.

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SCA's avatar

We need to bring back knee-slapping laughter as the de rigueur response to all of this, everywhere. Ridicule is a wonderful weapon and can be reloaded at will.

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SCA's avatar

Absolutely.

Though I don't trust any reporting from anyone these days until I see the evidence, and though I've no reason to doubt the vengefulness of the DOJ no matter who's in charge, I don't 100% trust the "jailed for meme" story.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

This is happening for three fundamental reasons:

1. Can't prove a negative

2. Sunk Cost Fallacy (for PHA's and a majority of public)

3. There's no way to develop a hypothesis that can provide proofs of anything, beyond "belief" and "disbelief", if it's not falsifiable. Find me a study/hypothesis about masks that was inherently falsifiable. Explain to me an experiment at either the individual level or societal level that is capable (in the real world about masks) of being tested for being wrong.

The scientific method was abandoned, precisely because they were simply trying to prove data instead of TESTING the data. And one of the main reasons they did that is because the global experiment would allow them to be able to say, "mistakes were made" ("but not on a net basis"...of course) AND that they were fucking LEARNING...of course...because...you know... it's a very scary NOVEL virus.

This is all a farce because they were never testing anything, other than how much control they could gain and how much power they could wield, unresisted, to meet those ends...and what they could get away with next time.

A quadrillion bits and bytes are nothing but digital detritus in your hypothesis if they can't be tested for falsifiability. And the kicker is masking is just one variable in the grand/global experiment they were conducting, that was based on a multitude of measures that had the same pseudo-scientific properties as masking. So, not only was masking unfalsifiable, but so was every other variable in the global experiment, that consisted of dozens of measures that the scientific method would've rejected wholesale.

An experiment where every variable is unfalsifiable, is just that; so utterly unfalsifiable that trying to control for confounders (every single measure/variable affected every other unfalsifiable variable) was an exercise in futility...because only one variable has to be unfalsifiable for the entire hypothesis to fail...let alone EVERY single variable inuring unfalsifiability to all other variables!

The perfect Swiss Army Knife for fucking bureaucrats.

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The Wiltster's avatar

Dude. That last sentence is worth a King's ransom. Kudos!

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AshesThanDust's avatar

Spot on.

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

I hear you. If this had anything to do with health, the same people that forced masks on others would have stopped buying candy bars. Irresponsibility, and submissive to authority is at the core of their character.

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Chiadrum's avatar

Gotta love the people in the grocery store, to this day, masked up with 20 liters of coke and piles of junk food in the cart.

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Modern art at its finest

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Decaf's avatar

But doesn't the mask-wearing compensate for any and all neglect of one's health?

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Chiadrum's avatar

6200 calories of sugar and chemicals plus 6 jabs plus mask = optimal health

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Jennifer Depew, R.D.'s avatar

Wearing the mask makes them feel better about the candy bar and everything - placebo safe. Like a cloak of invisibility but less useful.

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

Taking the shot ,may earn you a hamburger.Wearing a mask will only get you a chowing gum .

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Well put. It's ultimately a trap. Superheroes don't wear capes, or masks. Well maybe Batman but most people aren't that badass to begin with

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Chiadrum's avatar

How about the WHO’s write up of the Uttar Pradesh success. Never mentioned the dreaded I word of course…..

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

The wearer of the mask tells us ,like hello,I'm retarded ,stay clear of me ,because there is no telling what an insane subject like me may do next .

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Sirka Sie's avatar

They are great at virtue signalling and being able to identify the zombies among us.

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Damian's avatar

This happened last year in Ireland. The Health Minister was asked what data he had to support masking in the context of him floating their return during winter. He replied, asininely, that there was "Oodles of Data". His office was pushed on this claim and eventually they were forced to list these oodles of data.

I went through every single thing they listed in my substack which was picked up by a national media outlet. Suffice to say, the oodles were anything but convincing.

https://raggedlines.substack.com/p/oodles-of-data

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The Wiltster's avatar

Over three years back, I started trying to find "the truth" using the data the U.S. CDC had compiled on masking. I went to their website, found the list of links to studies, downloaded each study and read it. (I created a little catalog of studies.) There were, at that time, in October, 2020, 19 studies cited by the CDC in ostensible support of masking. The first nine of those studies DID NOT MENTION masking, at all. These people were and are, shameless.

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

The mask should cover the whole head ,to the neck in the shape of a sheep head .I would get me a wolf head mask ,to scare the sheep away .

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Way Back Joe's avatar

THE CDC Huh.

What can you expect from an organization where the top six jobs were held by Khazars. Walensky lied about everything. Even when she was aware of a Pfizer study concluding that pregnant women and those breast feeding their babies were at higher risk of side effects. She announced that there was no risk to pregnant women or nursing babies at all. But then she also during the height of the mental mania announced that taking the shot guaranteed that you would not get covid or pass it on to others. Some organization, some science, and some Khazar female criminal asshole who should be languishing in jail. Unlike most trusting gullible gentiles I have an instinctive distrust of this group, and for a very good reason. Study and history backed by real experience.

THE COVID SCAM.

ANOTHER PAINFUL SORROW BROUGHT TO YOU GENTILES BY THE SONS OF SATAN

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Ted's avatar

Why.... "everyone knows" that the plural of anecdote is data, Damian, and that all assertion becomes verifiable fact upon endless repetition.

I must say, though, that I find technical terms such as "oodles" quite persuasive. When we consider that many bunches of smidgens = one oodle, the plethora of smidgens involved simply overwhelm all skepticism. If we express this algebraically, the argument becomes utterly convincing. What's lacking in the minister's response was the mathy bits.

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Moonspinner's avatar

LOL. Thanks ...

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

I went shopping and payed with my last oodle .I did not get a smidgen in change back .

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JayBee's avatar

Top review, thanks.

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Rob D's avatar

My main complaint about the insanity of masking has always been mandating them. I've mentioned many times my over 30 year experience with wearing a mask (properly fitted, right mask for the right reason, etc) and knowing that the ritual of masking was doing absolutely nothing but scare people, divide people and give people a false sense of security drove me insane. My thing is, if you want to wear a ridiculous face diaper because you think it's going to somehow help you... Go for it! No one's going to stop you. Where I draw the line is when someone demands that I wear one to make them "feel" safe. If masks work, with at least 90% "compliance" in 2020/21 no one, and I mean no one would have become ill those years. Yet I heard numerous times, I wore my mask and still got sick, what am I doing wrong?" I would just shake my head in awe over the ignorance of so many people. We must *never* allow mask mandate rituals to ever again be the rule of the day. The damage these damn things cause physically and mentally are *not* worth it.

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Dark Thomas's avatar

the amazing counter that i was given when saying masks don't work is "well, we wear masks to protect others, not ourselves"

because - as i understand it - it became painfully obvious that masking does not prevent infection, but somehow it could prevent transmission.

i have never fully understood the physics of these claims, but i do recognize the signs that a conversation needs to be ended in order to protect my valuable time.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

They never actually took the extra step to think about what that even means!

If masks "prevent transmission", that means for it to "work" I must be sick and breathing out the virus into the mask. Then, every single time I'm breathing in, I re-breathe the virus back into my body.

In other words, the only way masks "work" is when they're actively making your health WORSE!

"Weird" how they never framed it like that, right?

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Dark Thomas's avatar

pretty sure that's why you double-mask - to trap all the germs safely in-between

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

More often now I see masks with a sharp bow in front ,is that in case you jog it will cut through the wind better ??

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Fear's avatar

It was an homage to the bubonic plague masks from the middle ages...

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

Thank's Fear, for the tip ,because if the plague lasts much longer I may have to go and rent a bubonic plague mask from a museum

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shasta's avatar

I also think the govts and media should do something about it, something to help those people, I mean. Explain that masks do not work, that you don't need them while driving your car and also explain all the problems they create. The people that wear the diaper should be helped.

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Cindi's avatar

Governments & media fomented the idiocy. You think they weren’t laughing their asses off at the dopes who complied so faithfully (as evidenced by all the times THEY were caught maskless)

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shasta's avatar

That’s clear

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Cindi's avatar

Then how would governments & media possibly “do something” about the fear they deliberately & maliciously created? Even if they repented, “wanted to “do something” to help,(which will never happen), would anyone trust what they’d say or do? Not me, that’s all I’m trying to say. The scariest 9 words in the English language are “I’m from the government & I’m here to help.”

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shasta's avatar

We agree. The govts SHOULD do something but they don't, which makes perfectly clear that they dont give a fuck about the peasants.

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Cindi's avatar

If governments & media truly cared about their countries & people (ha!), they would never have done what they did & continue to do to us. Frankly, governments & media have done enough; I don’t want them to do a thing except drop dead

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AndyinBC's avatar

Apparently the world already suffers (?) a severe shortage of mental health professionals. From whence could come 'help' for the unfortunate souls afflicted with mask mania?

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shasta's avatar

Just information. No mental health professionals required!

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

If you have mental sickness ,you need a mental sickness Pro .Wearing an airtight mask will raise your I.Q. to infinity .

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Vanda Salvini's avatar

so what makes you think that any of these people would respond well to information when they haven't up to now?

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shasta's avatar

I see old people wearing masks outside. They think they work. They are not crazy, just confused. And they trust the media.

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

Besides the old people wearing masks .i see two and three year olds ,masked being dragt along by so called parents on sidewalks and in stores .Their playpen may also be surrounded by barbed wire .

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

If all dating and making out would be done fully masked ,boy and girl ,humans will dye out .Than kill shots will not be needed for accomplishing genocide .

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AndyinBC's avatar

It has never been about whether masks "work" or "don't work". We have known for 50 years that masking is ineffective against airborne viruses. It IS about being perceived as "doing something" ... oh, and CONTROL!

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Sam's avatar

Visual compliance. The P.T.B can F.R.O

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George Bredestege's avatar

It’s too bad they didn’t mandate a plastic bag over the head, tied closely at the neck. It would have helped thin the compliance herd.

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Meraviglie's avatar

"... looks like nobody bothered with any kind of messaging exit strategy..." it's so true and it is still impacting many of us... when are all my doctors' offices going to stop giving me a mask as soon as I walk in? Sigh... at least after the completely arbitrary date of May 11, Novak Djokovic and countless Americans' family members, business colleagues, etc can enter the US and be treated with dignity like human beings.

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Samwise's avatar

Novak will able to come here and play tennis, but I will still be unwelcome to visit my parents in their home because me and my wife and children are unjabbed, and my younger (adult) siblings who live with them have decreed that to come in the house you must be shot and fully boosted.

I do feel some sense of loss over what is probably a permanent ending of my relationship with my brother and sister, but I’m mostly just gobsmacked that 3+ years into this they are still being dense.

Further context: my brother developed blood clots in his lungs in early 2021 within the first couple weeks after his first dose of poison. His doctor lied to him and told him no way it was the shot, it’s cuz you had the Rona. The dupe, who I used to think was a smart kid, accepted that pile of crap.

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

I had a similar issue with the wife and kids of my brother .We live 800 km apart and my brother was murdered in a hospital with deadly treatment protocols .His wife and kids kept it a secrete when he dyed .I only found out 3 month later .Experiences like that are heart breaking .I have nothing to do with them anymore .

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NSquared's avatar

You are completely on top of this. I wish the morons in the U.S. would come clean. Thx for all that you are doing to bring truth to the world!

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Why would you need need to have contingencies or be prepared for a mea culpa, when all the measures were arbitrary and based on not being able to prove a negative?

THEY 100% KNEW THAT. The worst case scenario for them was to say mistakes were made...or that we were learning. And that's exactly why the don't have to apologize, provide any cogent explanation as why they got it so wrong and most importantly why they never worried about having to defend their decisions.

The irony is that; it was all an experiment in how far they could go to abandon the scientific method for control - and to see how the public would respond.

They will never have to come clean because of the sunk cost fallacy and the fact you can't prove a negative. Go ask the average person in America that understands these concepts...it will be low...very, very low

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Vonu's avatar

How could a mask with a minimum pore of 4 microns stop a virus with a diameter of .04 micron?

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Rocío Matamoros's avatar

- By government order.

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Vonu's avatar

Sounds like Fauci science.

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Vanda Salvini's avatar

and no one seems to be aware that we're still coming out of the last ice age which was approximately 12,000 years ago and that glaciers have never been a permanent fixture on the landscape: they come and go as the climate changes.

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Vonu's avatar

What does the weather 80 years from now have to do with anything now?

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joe stuerzl 85's avatar

When climate change is accomplished.,there will be no more weather .

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Vonu's avatar

In the absence of an environment there can't' be either of them.

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Vonu's avatar

How could something that hasn't come to exist be relevant?

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Brian's avatar

Worth noting people were arrested and I am aware of at least one death (in Canada) for not wearing a mask where someone was strangled to death by security in a hospital after pulling down her mask to breath. Crazy.

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Nadine L's avatar

And maybe someone should apologize to all the kids who had to wear masks, especially during physical exercise....

That was the craziest to me

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Bash's avatar

I used to call this Groupthink, but now I call it BlobThink

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shasta's avatar

Either one is too optimistic as they both include the word "think".

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Trish C's avatar

Yesterday (in NZ) I saw an elderly man walking along the street, alone, on a windy day (it’s always windy here) with a surgical mask strapped to his face. The mask was being sucked in and out as he struggled to breathe. The government and health care providers who endorse mask wearing are doing harm to scared people like this elderly man. It incenses me.

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eugyppius's avatar

The only people I see still wearing them are alone and elderly - I guess they are the demographic most heavily influenced by the television, with no real-life companions to correct the messaging, but god it really is depressing and enraging.

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Cindi's avatar

I see quite a few young people wearing them & that’s even worse. Old people are on the downhill slide of mortality & fear of death & they may have co-morbidities that make them even more susceptible. But young, presumably healthy 20-somethings should not be so blinkered & afraid. I’ve been tempted many times to ask why they do it & do they realize they’re in no danger. And then I think it’s none of my business, have @ it. That consideration was not afforded to me in choosing not to wear one at the height of the idiocy, but that doesn’t mean I stoop to their level now in saying something to a maskaholic

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Warrick's avatar

And all medical people are still mandated. Includes ambulances etc not just hospitals. Interestingly at the dentist recently only dentists and nurses masked, not receptionists. But at the pharmacy, all have to be masked including customers, but I get no pushback for not.

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Cindi's avatar

Where are you? All medical places where I live have stopped, although going to a breast imaging center in a big city up north mandated mask & i was really mad

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Warrick's avatar

Christchurch

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Quakeress's avatar

I think it's pretty mixed - I see even some teenagers wear them, some people in their thirties and forties do. But nothing depresses me as much as some old granny trudging along, hardly able to breathe. That, and masked children. But this particular trend seems to have vanished.

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Jacqueline W's avatar

Just been checking - they're still out there.

Deepti is retweeting about mask fitting in Australia as recently as last Saturday, Trisha Greenhalgh has taken off hers at last for profile pic but is still writing lengthy threads on the topic womansplaining why masks still work* while our very own (in Ireland I mean) Anthony Staines is still saying wear a mask in FULL CAPS while still wearing one in his profile pic (take that Trish!)

*My favourite tweet in the thread is number 5 where it is noted that masking is controversial because it is also a cultural practice - after all "Pirates and Burglars wear masks"!

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Dark Thomas's avatar

I remember watching Fauci say that goggles would also be needed because you can get infected through your eyes. (True)

And he did say "goggles" not "glasses" - as a glasses-wearer, he understands the distinction.

When this entire discussion was dropped in less than 24 hours - I knew the whole thing was fake as a Kardashian.

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Jim Brown's avatar

I think no one bothered to craft a "messaging exit strategy" because they don't need one. Myths are very sticky, even after they are discredited. The sheep, having adopted Covid propaganda as their own truth, will cling to the lies indefinitely. To acknowledge the truth is to lose their pseudo-self esteem. The collaboration of the herd allows the bureaucrats to move smoothly from one propaganda campaign to another. "Like it never happened."

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Quakeress's avatar

I think by now the fanatic covidians are a minority, but they will cling on to covid indefinitely. AFter all, they bought expensive portable air filters and lug them around to their dentists' appointmens and some such (and then proudly post pics of the occasion for their fellow covidians to marvel at). They are becoming a sect - self-reinforcing, keeping each other in line, absolutely closed world view.

Most "normies" are totally over covid, so over the management, never want to see or hear about it again. They don't have self-esteem issues as far as I can see, they seem to think they were misled by a government, not because of malice but because the government didn't know any better at the time.

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Jim Brown's avatar

Whether or not the government acted out of malice, I hope the "normies" will adopt a healthy skepticism about government information.

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Quakeress's avatar

I feel that a lot of trust of government and institutions has been lost among the "normies". Can't tell how long it will last or whether it will be specific to covid, not, e.g. climate change.

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Rintrah Radagast's avatar

The bigger question with all of this stuff is ultimately just: Do we want it?

The risk of pointing out "A does not work" is that they come up with B, which does work and is more miserable than A. The respirators probably work.

It's like saying lockdowns don't work. I'm pretty sure the CCP strategy of sealing people in their apartment and leaving people to watch their family members die in front of their eyes because they're unable to get dialysis stops them from spreading viruses. But that's not what we are.

It probably helped get the normies on our side and build critical mass to point out none of the shit they were peddling worked, but in the long run the important thing to always keep in mind is that all of the stuff they peddle is existentially miserable, undignified and isolates us further and further from (human) nature.

The real problem is that none of the stuff they proposed is compatible with the kind of society worth living in. The fact that we don't want any of it is argument enough. Children don't want to wear masks and that's sufficient reason not to make them wear masks.

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