2 quick points on your broad brush "Californians" comment:
1. Those who have left California are those largely chased out by these policies and the resultant conditions (high taxes, ineffective government, poor business climate) -- so, those leaving California are not seeking to re-establish the lunacy.
2. Many Californians despise the current governor and the interests he and his party advocate and govern through in this state.
"so, those leaving California are not seeking to re-establish the lunacy."
True to some extent, perhaps largely true, but how do we establish the percentages?
I'm considering the outmigration from the San Francisco Bay Area to Austin and certain places in Colorado and New Mexico, when I speculate on this point.
The plural of anecdote isn't data, but I know two families that left for the sensible reasons you state, and three couples who migrated purely because their equity made them wealthier, and their "progressive" voting habits (and political agitation) moved with them.
Perhaps destination is the signal? I know two moderate conservatives planning to migrate to Florida, and one setting up retirement in Idaho.
As someone who has spent their entire adult life in two locations subject to this outmigration, I just want to point out there's a reason for the coining of "Californication".
Back in the 80’s, the band, “Red Hot Chili Peppers” (originally from Los Angeles) wrote a famous song called, “Californication,” disparaging all the things….
Ironically, Portland, OR garage band, “Everclear” went on to celebrate Santa Monica in a song by the same name after years of song expressing tears and angst appropriate for PNW sentiment.
What’s the message? I’m so confused! How can my pot filled brain manage the cognitive disconnect? Please! Won’t someone tell me what to think!
You can drive to Yuba City in less than 2 hours and see American Flags , No on 50 signs , pick up trucks and get a huge breakfast where the waitress calls to “Hon “ . Too bad it’s so hot there . A Cambria is the place but it is tiny . Yes ,it’s maddening to live in state run by lunatics
Idaho and Florida are common destinations for California out-migration. Biggest driver is likely income tax rather than Businesses moving sends the strongest signal. Wealthy individuals always have the luxury of living where they want, especially if they're retired, so I would not weight that signal as strongly as individuals in prime working age and otherwise thriving leaving. You will make much more money working in the SF Bay Area than in Austin. Your costs will be lower in Austin, but not as low as you want. I too live in the SF Bay Area, and I know only one individual that left the state because of the lunacy. The others left for family or jobs, (less-political motivations). There is simply too much opportunity here to ignore.
There may be too much opportunity to be ignored, but many people have availed themselves of it and are ready to retire. I live next door in Nevada,and we see them in droves. You can sell your house in California, and buy one here for half the money. You do get to bring your whole attitude with you also along with that money, and believe me, we see it. When I was young I would tell people that one would never see the day a restrictive gun law would be passed in this state. That day has come and gone. Idaho is next on their list.
I visited my sister in a community just outside Boise, Idaho in the summer of 2023. I saw more than a signs here and there saying "Californians go back home." Apparently there are people from CA who fled the bad results of their voting habits and moved to Idaho because it was so much nicer (but never asking themselves WHY it was nicer), and then kept on voting for stupid things like they were still in California. I hope they don't prevail.
I left the SF area because of politics first and then financial second. When the lunatics put police tape around the ocean during the covid hoax that was the final straw for me.
And they often show up with wives and children that are trained Marxists. Like the Mayor of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and the future New York
1/2 my friends have left California. We have compromised due to our income source. We split time with a free state. I feel for people who are stuck due to a job.
Californians destroyed Oregon and Washington. When they first started leaving because costs were too high it was mostly liberals. I think the more recent waves finally realize there is something wrong with their politics. If Texas and Florida were smart they should outlaw former Californians voting in their states just to be on the safe side. 😆
I had a chat today with a fellow representing a national gutter company. He was living in Oregon but actually down. here in California doing business for his company. He said things in Portland are considerably worse than what we see on even the conservative TV. He said the city is basically ruined.
I live here as well. So what do you say to the fact that all of these people moves up to Oregon and Washington for more affordable housing and ended up turning those states into loony bins, just like California. I think you are wrong. You state "Many Californians despise the current governor and the interests he and his party advocate and govern through in this state". So why do they lose every election? We've had to endure the imbecile voters who continually vote these democrat party morons into power. Even though approximately 40% are Republican voters, the state is a democratic party dictatorship. You think illegals don't vote here? California is turning into a hell hole, and if you live here, you should know better. The broad brush is verifiable, whether you like it or not.
Every stereotype contains truth. As do jokes. I don't deny that. And I don't like or dislike it. It just is.... and ultimately, I'm just saying not everyone in California is a lunatic, and not everyone that moves out of California is spreading whatever objectionable ideology around. That's all.
I've met lunatics in places like Indiana, Texas, and Utah. To the point of this article, it's an ideology rather than a place. California certainly has a bunch of lunatics. It also has upwards of 40 million people, so this is not surprising.
Actually, now that I think about it, I know a lot of Oregonians that have been living down here in California for quite a while. Canadians too... maybe they're the problem! ;) I kid, I kid.
The other part is that the lefty state government of California does everything to keep power. And with lots of indigents and bureaucrats among the population they keep them around with government paychecks.
You must have no idea that Oregon and Washington are almost violently anti-Californian.
That applies to both lefty Californians moving to lefty PNW cities, or conservative Californians moving to the center-east side of the cascade range where they mostly vote conservative.
I know that it used to be that Oregonians and Washingtonians hated the California migration to the northwest. However, they now all share the same politics, especially in the big democrat run cities. Just like all of them. All in the family.
Honestly associating the term liberal with the authoritarian aspects of politics in the US seems ironic to me…..the term used to refer to anti war pro free speech positions
People have become very confused by the long march through the institutions. There are very few Liberals left in California.
The far left coopted the liberal institutions, carefully redefining extremism as being "progressive." It is neither progressive nor liberal; it is totalitarian collectivism, founded on Marxian polemics.
Being intimately acquainted with the Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist-Maoist, Trotskyite and Anarcho-syndicalist movements in the seventies, it was interesting in a rather horrifying way, to watch the Stalinist-Maoists become ascendant.
The apogee was when Peter Camejo was defenestrated from the Socialist Workers Party for ideological impurity. He took the united front rhetoric a bit too literally, seeking to compromise the Trotskyite wing of the International by forming a permanent coalition with liberal-adjacent cohorts.
He wound up running on the Green Party ticket, influencing it very far toward left-authoritarianism in one big jump.
You really have to do a deep dive into the totalitarian movements, to wrap your head around this stuff.
My aunt who lives in Georgia says the same about Massachusetts liberals who migrate to Georgia - they just keep voting for stupid in their new nice home....
Newsom is very strange . He will not play well outside SF .
The “ bullet train “ began in 2008 . It was to connect SF to LA in 2hrs 45 minutes and go non stop at 220mph
As of last week all we have is an overpass in Fresno . No Rail . Just and Overpass . Why Fresno ? Welcome to California where you can drive an EV alone in the HOV lane .
Probably. Although many in California cannot leave the state. Or won't leave. Many are deeply rooted. Despite opportunities to move out, starting over is very hard. California still has very much to offer. The lunatic policies are now finally alienating even those who funded them (Mark Benioff wants DJT to send in the National Guard to clean up the free drug use zones in SF) and the crazies will get pushed down by moderated interests.
I live in Santa Barbara . How can I leave a place where the weather is 72 degrees everyday ? I actually live on the north end in Goleta which is far less “ woke “ . It’s tough . I just never talk to any of the Democrats . They are true aliens..like from a distant planet .
Keep in mind , we passed prop 187 to halt the flow of Mexicans . It passed with 60% ….it was ignored .
Partially true. I lived in AZ for a bit almost 20 years ago. The prices in AZ of housing now are through the roof, and NM is going the same way. I know several Californians who moved here to Ga and they brought their madness with them. You are probably one of the exceptions. I also read several reports of Americans living in Mexico and they seemed to share my thoughts. I am not speaking for ALL of them, but quite a few seem to fall back in their old ways once they got settled elsewhere.
LOL that was my idea, too. I read a few books from an expat in Mexico and it is beyond me, that they want to stay there. That is how I figured how bad it must be in CA.
Mexico is doing loud communist marches against Americans and Canadians moving there. They even resent the tourists.
Most people don’t realize….. You must secure hundreds of thousands of dollars in your bank account to prove you can look after yourself if you wish to obtain Mexican residency.
My Austin experience from 1980 to 2000 was wonderful…..true diversity with rednecks, hippies, blacks, hispanics, democrats and republicans co-existing well enough……the Californication had started but was relatively benign…..then things accelerated with the influx of California wealth and when I headed to TN in 2012 Austin had entered the Twilight Zone…….still has great aspects but the hassle of dealing with the downsides outweighs the rewards….really glad to have been living in the sticks during the Covid insanity……
Oh, ok. So Ingrid should have said, "the woke, leftist loonies in California who constitute the majority of voters within and without the gerrymandered districts who get the prevailing leftist politicians in office, and not including the people who despise the prevailing government" here in the USA."
Yet the point is valid. Californians fleeing the result of their own stupid voting patterns have destroyed Colorado, Washington and Oregon, and have been trying to do the same to Texas and Idaho, with varying degrees of success.
Our experience with Californians, Utahans, and Arizonans pouring into the State is that they are missionaries of Wokism flush with Benjamins from unloading highly inflated real estate. I have yet to meet a refugee. They are hated and despised by the local population.
I will disagree as I'm an ex-Californian in Boise, and they've done their best to destroy this city. Wealthy Californians come here to retire and build megamansions in the foothills, which are now ugly as sin.
I fled California after living there for 60 years. It is a nightmare. I don’t want my current state, Missouri, ending up like California; rather I spread the word about what I see coming.
There are more Republicans in California than in any other state. A lot of them are fleeing to other states and have no intention of replicating their political experience in California.
When they do, Lerkison, they become part of the problem, regardless of how they vote. They bring profits from realizing their hyperinflated home values, increasing competition for local housing and outbidding the locals, recreating the cost-of-living crisis they fled.
Migration is a sort of Ponzi scheme that way; the first to take that relative advantage are the winners, and subsequent migrants face diminishing returns, each wave having less advantage than the last.
Eventually, it stabilizes at a hyperinflated level, which then spurs further migration (mostly younger folks) in search of an income/expense balance that allows them some opportunity to flourish and prosper.
Within that instability, lies opportunity for a few; cash is king. The destabilization is quite a deliberate process.
Ted, these are good points about the potential negative consequences of Americans moving to different states. There are, of course, potential positive consequences too, such as an increased tax base and more industry. But this is all part of capitalism; there will always be some winners and some losers in these movements. And I certainly understand the sadness of places changing, losing their character. But this is unavoidable, as the world is always in flux; nothing is permanent. In fact, I am quite sad that the California of my youth--largely conservative and much less populated-- has permanently changed for the worse.
There is much in what you say about impermanence, Lerkison, and it's a universal fact of all systems; mercantilist, capitalist, communist, entropy always obtains.
What I miss most about the old California conservatives, is their deep kindness at the neighborhood level. They were always pleased to give youngsters opportunities to better themselves, and they were great conversationalists, too.
Well, I suppose we can only try to keep a little bit of those old traditions alive in these times of ever-faster change.
I've lived in Washington State since July 3rd 1970. Then the Californians came up here in the mid 80's. They have taken over and ruined our state. Ruined it.
"Then the Californians came up here in the mid 80's."
That was a game of "migration dominoes," Craig. Capital from everywhere converged on California, driving the tech boom-and-bust cycle. People followed, from within the country and from without.
Housing prices soared, spurring sellout in areas like the San Francisco Bay Peninsula, and cash-heavy homesellers moved north. One of those places was the "telecom valley" two counties north of Menlo Park.
The sellers-turned-buyers outbid the locals, driving up entry-level pricing beyond the reach of most. Those "shut-outs" moved north, compelling more cost-of-living migration.
Western-central California took a double-hit, with immigrants from mexico pushing that same equity-migration northward, and along with it, the economic base of the non-tech sector was ravaged by the trades being taken over. This knocked over another set of dominoes, pushing toward your neighborhood.
You took a double-hit, with migration from the west, along with from the south. What was ruined, was economic and family stability, such as it was, in California, Oregon and your own state of Washington.
Ill-informed people think that it's merely a matter of building more housing. That's a nice soundbite, but a fantasy. The money accrues with amortization. Housing stocks amortize over a period of time. Once amortized, prices for rentals drop, and rental prices set home prices when demand fluctuates.
With endless migration, demand no longer fluctuates, it continues to rise, only reaching momentary plateaus at certain points of the business cycle. What destroyed stability was constantly-increasing demand, gentrification, conversion of amortized properties to redeveloped market-rate and an imbalanced aggregate amortization schedule.
....And, of course, those who sold out instead of fixing the problem, brought that same attitude to my hometown and your home state.
The useless idiots, the banal evil living amongst us. The “know nothings” referred to from the Cross. Following Marxist Globalists right into the abyss of dystopian utopia. Never give up, never give in and never, ever refuse to vote no matter how bad it seems. The bad are indeed the minority, exactly why they resort to totalitarian methods to shut you up. That is weakness appearing strong.
Exactly . Doomberg claims Europe is ignoring physics and will implode because of it .
I would correct you slightly in that I believe these people are genuine . They actually believe they are correct . Wind and solar will provide 100% of their electric needs .
I know . I live in California. It is difficult to live among insane people .
There are a lot of True Believer™ useful idiots, as pictured, and then there are the people in charge, many of whom are fully aware of their bad policies, but don't care.
Germany needs max headroom but what they’ll get is MAX PAIN until they decide to make a change.
I tried. I wrote a German friend (in 2022) I hadn’t spoken with in 30 years when Baerbock and Co decided to marginalize fossil fuels. I expressed my concern but received the “wave off.” 😱 I will not say, “I told you so.” Unkind, and what would be the point?
Don't forget...the Marxists in Germany were very strong in the 30s. One of the reasons Hitler became popular was because of the communists in Germany. That's no excuse for supporting Nazis, but it was a factor. Don't forget, Marx was a German. And the left in Germany is making a comeback with a vengeance.
Agree 100%. Interestingly, the Marxists were also busy in other countries (ie with British unions) alongside competition from mustache man Fascists as we got closer to WW2.
Unfortunately, it's more laughing and celebrating their own ignorance. I bet the vast majority of those that voted for this law have no clue what it would entail. It's like all of those people who buy into the myth of "cheap green energy", then seem shocked when power prices increase.
The color purple for their upcoming “No King” protest? Hmmmm, I’m thinking book. That was such a big deal for the Left back in the day. Either way, they’ve got nothing and losing support down the drain along with their Revolutionary fever dream and their revolutionary proxy league of misfits, Antifa and criminals. Meanwhile, Newsom is splintering the Constitution denying future purchases of glocks and releasing children from school to anyone who wants to pick them up. Neither move well received by Californians. The Dems in this state are such losers!
The Glocks “law” will 100% be overturned. Beside “not to be infringed,” Glocks are immensely popular which sets the standard for “in common use.” I don’t even think a trial would be necessary, just a “clarification” requested of SCOTUS since they’ve been ruling on this a lot recently.
It's definitely unconstitutional and yes it will definitely be reversed. Why he does these ridiculous and nonsensical things is a mystery to anyone with half a brain. The squirrelly little twerp wants attention all the time. He is a certified low IQ idiot, but he sure thinks he can be the next president. If America would be foolish enough to vote for this fool, well, I guess the country's brains have gone to mush. Every time I see him saying anything I just want to slap him silly. There's something seriously wrong with his brain.
Gruesome Newsom is not really "virtue signaling" in the conventional sense. Rather, he is (once again) quite intentionally going way outside accepted legal bounds precisely in order to "move the Overton window."
Remember that Newsom once screamed in a public appearance (about gay marriage - then the cutting edge "social issue" du jour): "You're going to get it whether you like it or not."
They choose various colors for their regime change operations.
Purple was Hillary Clinton’s purple revolution which did not happen in 2016. They’re choosing a color for the midterms. Purple must be it if they’re playing up purple already. Democrats are all about marketing.
Nihilism and moral entropy. Part of a much bigger picture. A color revolution.
In the US, it’s purple. If you look at all the groups, which are neither random nor individual, they all share something with a “purple” identifier. The No Kings bullshit uses purple placards , the Marxists/Islamists have different items with a purple color. Ditto the “Queers/Fatties/Jews/Feminists/Drag Queens/Sex Workers For Palestine(Hamas), Anti-Ice, etc.
I don’t know whether UK, Germany, France,Netherlands are using there own “ colours”, but the puppet leaders are all part of it.
Just keep saying it and as often as you can. End every phrase with Vote this out. Then the authorities know exactly where you’re coming from and that you’re keeping it legal.
Steyn has gone dark . Where do you find him . He can be hilarious. I think he had a falling out with Tucker Carlson which is sad . Also , I think he finally one his case against Michael mann
Still produces at least four pieces a week on his website, steynonline.com. For a man who's had his health and litigation issues, his continued output and prescience is remarkable. I don't believe there is a finer writer in the English language currently.
I don't think I'd fault Steyn for falling out with Tucker, if true. Over the past, idk, twelve months or so, Tucker's gone a wee bit cuckoo. He's gotten high on his own supply and seems to lack anyone around him telling him, "That's a stupid thing to say," or, "Don't invite that wingnut onto your show. Just don't." I've cut way back on listening to his podcast.
No nudists. It reminds me of California and other jurisdictions worldwide which ban electricity generation within their borders, then import it and pretend they haven't just exported the pollution to other jurisdictions with weaker anti-pollution laws.
Our very educated friend gets mad when I call her e-vehicle ‘coal-powered’ a lot of Texas electricity is still generated from Wyoming-sourced low-sulfur coal coming in on Warren Buffet-owned BNSF railroads.
Hamburg may have to collapse in order for all of Germany to regain sanity— just as NYC may under Democratic Socialist( nee communist) Mamdani. Sadly, as govt “income” declines due to deindustrialization, govt expenditures will increase to support ever more bureaucrats and unemployables. Then it will be Weimar all over again?
We visited beautiful Schönbrun palace abt 25 years ago and noticed most outbuildings were infested w government/NGO offices ‘doing something’ while parts of the palace were not adequately heated w condensation on the windows and peeling paint due to lack of pre-€ (DM) funding to properly operate the palace…
Have noticed that in other EU cities since. In Hamburg back then noticed the massive Granite Kaiser (ne Bismarck) Memorial was neglected as well, while my colleagues in Berlin were titillated asking if I visited the Reeperbahn and Herbertstraße…was sad sack area.
Just wait until the costs of this effort start piling up. Taxes and fees will go up, probably sharply, the tax base will erode as people and businesses flee and these bucketheads will stop smiling.
I am beginning to worry where we can go to escape this. Dubai does not appeal to me and all the traditional (for Brits) tax havens demand much more capital and income than I have. I am too old to matertially improve these data now.
It also possible they will not be able to deliver the electricity. Forget the costs . You could go dark . They have no understanding of Physics. They can’t build anything or do anything ..only destroy
All I see is a bunch of people clothed and fed all due to industries. I think anyone who voted for it should be forced to live where there is no industry or readily available fuel. Perhaps then the Rousseau fantasy can be shown to be the nightmare it is.
Or conversely, be sent to live in the area where all of these industries are going to go to keep propping up their lifestyle. Perhaps a season in Mumbai or Bangladesh might temper their enthusiasm for sending well-paid, relatively safe and dignified jobs for workers somewhere else where they don't want to look at it.
I agree 1000%. I have long advocated for drill baby drill in the US. Not that I want to see terrible industrial output/pollution. Rather, it is a hope that by seeing the consequences of drilling, innovation can make it cleaner acknowledging the reality that we are going to continue to use it. Our current offshoring is like putting your septic pond on a neighbor's property because you don't like the smell. I have also changed my mind about nuclear energy. I am with Michael Shellenberger that it furthers the goal of a cleaner environment.
Three Mile Island for me. The consequences are obviously very real as the Japanese learned with Fukushima. I've noticed there seems to be less organized opposition. Perhaps people are aware that their addiction to social media needs abundant energy.
There were no reported deaths at 3 mile island and no statistical add on deaths years later . Again no one died of radiation at Fukushima. The deaths were caused by the tsunami. Also ,no statistical add on deaths from radiation .
We also have other sources like thorium that are cleaner, less volatile and don't produce by product suitable for weapons. We can easily not repeat the mistakes and tech of the past at this point.
Google and other tech companies are building nuclear power plants. They will be responsible for care and feeding. If we were concerned before it will soon be much more expanded and pervasive.
I live near the 4th largest nuclear power plant in the world - very safe Candu Reactor design. I feel fine with that. I think nuclear is a good solution to baseline power needs.
You were mistaken in the 70’s . There were no reported deaths at 3 mile island . It was a mistake of Biblical proportions. 50 years of progress wasted .
And it disturbs me how OK many 'liberals' are with slave labor as long as is NIMBY. I know so many who are complaining about tariffs- and blaming tariffs for increases due to recent hikes in state gas and transport taxes that tariffs have nothing to do with. As long as they are personally surrounded by a world of performative kumbaya and cheap trinkets, they have no real care as to where their energy/stuff/cheap labor really comes from.
I used to get the peace institute new letter. Years ago it discussed that our Iphones were made with possible slave labor. Shoot under Obama, even NPR discussed the Uighur labor camps and the connections to the US and Hunter Biden.
The fact is USA has harder to get light crude good for making plastic. If you notice, Trump is talking to Canadian western provinces, and seems extra eager over Venezuela. The basis for the stuff you put in your car is more rare now.
does their oil differ? I have read we have abundant oil but we haven't been drilling. I thought it was the processing that made the difference. Does quality depend on region?
Why blame the people who voted though? Why not blame the 56% of the people who failed to vote? If this is what the German people want or at least refused to oppose, then they should get it good and hard.
At least in the US, we've devalued voting by making it so 'easy' to vote. And some things do take time. My friend and I went through judges that we vote in. We were shocked at how crazy they were.
"Municipal industries must transition from coke and gas entirely to hydrogen and e-fuels, although there is hardly a market for either of these alternatives or even the hope of one"
Coke does sound funnier and might explain the actions we're seeing from these ingrates.
Why would I remember what was taught in fourth grade? Sounds like a useless thing to remember as well. I never heard of coke being used as an energy source and thought he meant coal.
No. Thinking memorising meaningless information and teaching someone to be a slave to the system is though,-) But here's a gold star for being an obnoxious know it all
Germany needs a government shutdown like we have here in the U.S. (and nobody has even noticed!). Trump is taking a buzzsaw to the vast canopy of deadwood which pollutes our fair land. I'm a longtime woodworker, and have American-,Japanese-, British-, and German-made tools. They're all good, but the German ones are exceptionally good; they stand out from the rest. Thus, de-industrialization in Germany brings tears to my eyes. Does Germany have the largest percentage of retards in government in the world? And the dismal turnout? What's up with that?
If they were already at the bottom of the barrel and sank further no one would notice. But they were on fire as recently as 2019, now crashing magnificently, so everyone can’t help but notice.
Outstanding. Brilliant article. Tears of laughter running down my cheeks as I read it. It really is beyond belief, like a Monty Python sketch, how one city can contain SO MANY indescribably stupid people. Not two neurons to rub together amongst the lot of them. Phuck ‘em all — they deserve everything that’s coming to them.
Absolutely. They should have shifted their arses at least as far as the post box and voted AGAINST it. Apathy leads to domination by lunatics and deranged activists. Same as the UK currently, where 2TK was voted in by less than 25% of the eligible electorate.
Do people here believe carbon actually matters or why lend credence to the lie of carbon by saying this:
"Hamburg is responsible for something 0.022% percent of CO2 emissions globally. The city is not even a rounding error."
The point of playing along with morons to lead them out of darkness is over. You did well but FULL ridicule is required. Do not give them an inch of retard or they can't help but go full retard. Think Sean penn.
I still see Dr Willie Soon before these graphs - and he keeps saying, our warmth comes from the SUN, not from CO or anything else. The earth is heated by the SUN. Watch his demolition of the fake science
No one denies that. But the composition of the atmosphere effects how much of the heat from the sun is absorbed. It's called greenhouse effect for a reason. Greenhouses do not produce heat. It's always the sun.
Also greenhouses have four walls and a roof - a closed system. The Earth has four different atmospheric layers opening out to space. The Church of Carbon is concerned with the weather in the troposphere (lowest layer in the atmosphere) if they even know what the term is.
Yes. But it easily becomes collective, snowballing, and having impact.
If nothing else, it is useful to the people in the actual lever room, in that it makes it easier for them to fulfil their policies. (This is why so much resources are poured on brainwashing. They would not otherwise.)
Laughing and celebrating their own demise. Your language fits perfectly. Nihilism on full display.
Not really, they'll move on to another nice place, leaving the long- term residents and working class behind.
and start all over again where they go, like Californians here in the USA.
2 quick points on your broad brush "Californians" comment:
1. Those who have left California are those largely chased out by these policies and the resultant conditions (high taxes, ineffective government, poor business climate) -- so, those leaving California are not seeking to re-establish the lunacy.
2. Many Californians despise the current governor and the interests he and his party advocate and govern through in this state.
"so, those leaving California are not seeking to re-establish the lunacy."
True to some extent, perhaps largely true, but how do we establish the percentages?
I'm considering the outmigration from the San Francisco Bay Area to Austin and certain places in Colorado and New Mexico, when I speculate on this point.
The plural of anecdote isn't data, but I know two families that left for the sensible reasons you state, and three couples who migrated purely because their equity made them wealthier, and their "progressive" voting habits (and political agitation) moved with them.
Perhaps destination is the signal? I know two moderate conservatives planning to migrate to Florida, and one setting up retirement in Idaho.
As someone who has spent their entire adult life in two locations subject to this outmigration, I just want to point out there's a reason for the coining of "Californication".
I know that reason very well, having lived in WA state since the 1980's.
But of course, the Soviet of Washington has its own history of leftwing insanity.
Back in the 80’s, the band, “Red Hot Chili Peppers” (originally from Los Angeles) wrote a famous song called, “Californication,” disparaging all the things….
Ironically, Portland, OR garage band, “Everclear” went on to celebrate Santa Monica in a song by the same name after years of song expressing tears and angst appropriate for PNW sentiment.
What’s the message? I’m so confused! How can my pot filled brain manage the cognitive disconnect? Please! Won’t someone tell me what to think!
Colorado is a mini-California. Very little difference other than the Rockies being grander than the Sierra Nevada range.
And the lack of an ocean on one side.
You can drive to Yuba City in less than 2 hours and see American Flags , No on 50 signs , pick up trucks and get a huge breakfast where the waitress calls to “Hon “ . Too bad it’s so hot there . A Cambria is the place but it is tiny . Yes ,it’s maddening to live in state run by lunatics
Idaho and Florida are common destinations for California out-migration. Biggest driver is likely income tax rather than Businesses moving sends the strongest signal. Wealthy individuals always have the luxury of living where they want, especially if they're retired, so I would not weight that signal as strongly as individuals in prime working age and otherwise thriving leaving. You will make much more money working in the SF Bay Area than in Austin. Your costs will be lower in Austin, but not as low as you want. I too live in the SF Bay Area, and I know only one individual that left the state because of the lunacy. The others left for family or jobs, (less-political motivations). There is simply too much opportunity here to ignore.
There may be too much opportunity to be ignored, but many people have availed themselves of it and are ready to retire. I live next door in Nevada,and we see them in droves. You can sell your house in California, and buy one here for half the money. You do get to bring your whole attitude with you also along with that money, and believe me, we see it. When I was young I would tell people that one would never see the day a restrictive gun law would be passed in this state. That day has come and gone. Idaho is next on their list.
I visited my sister in a community just outside Boise, Idaho in the summer of 2023. I saw more than a signs here and there saying "Californians go back home." Apparently there are people from CA who fled the bad results of their voting habits and moved to Idaho because it was so much nicer (but never asking themselves WHY it was nicer), and then kept on voting for stupid things like they were still in California. I hope they don't prevail.
Boise is quite progressive.
I left the SF area because of politics first and then financial second. When the lunatics put police tape around the ocean during the covid hoax that was the final straw for me.
And they often show up with wives and children that are trained Marxists. Like the Mayor of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and the future New York
1/2 my friends have left California. We have compromised due to our income source. We split time with a free state. I feel for people who are stuck due to a job.
Californians destroyed Oregon and Washington. When they first started leaving because costs were too high it was mostly liberals. I think the more recent waves finally realize there is something wrong with their politics. If Texas and Florida were smart they should outlaw former Californians voting in their states just to be on the safe side. 😆
I had a chat today with a fellow representing a national gutter company. He was living in Oregon but actually down. here in California doing business for his company. He said things in Portland are considerably worse than what we see on even the conservative TV. He said the city is basically ruined.
We Floridians are about to vote to remove property tax on our homestead properties! Our Governor is FANTASTIC.
I live here as well. So what do you say to the fact that all of these people moves up to Oregon and Washington for more affordable housing and ended up turning those states into loony bins, just like California. I think you are wrong. You state "Many Californians despise the current governor and the interests he and his party advocate and govern through in this state". So why do they lose every election? We've had to endure the imbecile voters who continually vote these democrat party morons into power. Even though approximately 40% are Republican voters, the state is a democratic party dictatorship. You think illegals don't vote here? California is turning into a hell hole, and if you live here, you should know better. The broad brush is verifiable, whether you like it or not.
Every stereotype contains truth. As do jokes. I don't deny that. And I don't like or dislike it. It just is.... and ultimately, I'm just saying not everyone in California is a lunatic, and not everyone that moves out of California is spreading whatever objectionable ideology around. That's all.
I've met lunatics in places like Indiana, Texas, and Utah. To the point of this article, it's an ideology rather than a place. California certainly has a bunch of lunatics. It also has upwards of 40 million people, so this is not surprising.
Actually, now that I think about it, I know a lot of Oregonians that have been living down here in California for quite a while. Canadians too... maybe they're the problem! ;) I kid, I kid.
You are correct. It's just that California seems to have more lunatics per square foot than anywhere else, IMO.
The other part is that the lefty state government of California does everything to keep power. And with lots of indigents and bureaucrats among the population they keep them around with government paychecks.
You must have no idea that Oregon and Washington are almost violently anti-Californian.
That applies to both lefty Californians moving to lefty PNW cities, or conservative Californians moving to the center-east side of the cascade range where they mostly vote conservative.
I know that it used to be that Oregonians and Washingtonians hated the California migration to the northwest. However, they now all share the same politics, especially in the big democrat run cities. Just like all of them. All in the family.
Many who who flee California are unable to connect their liberal views with the problems they are fleeing.
Honestly associating the term liberal with the authoritarian aspects of politics in the US seems ironic to me…..the term used to refer to anti war pro free speech positions
People have become very confused by the long march through the institutions. There are very few Liberals left in California.
The far left coopted the liberal institutions, carefully redefining extremism as being "progressive." It is neither progressive nor liberal; it is totalitarian collectivism, founded on Marxian polemics.
Being intimately acquainted with the Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist-Maoist, Trotskyite and Anarcho-syndicalist movements in the seventies, it was interesting in a rather horrifying way, to watch the Stalinist-Maoists become ascendant.
The apogee was when Peter Camejo was defenestrated from the Socialist Workers Party for ideological impurity. He took the united front rhetoric a bit too literally, seeking to compromise the Trotskyite wing of the International by forming a permanent coalition with liberal-adjacent cohorts.
He wound up running on the Green Party ticket, influencing it very far toward left-authoritarianism in one big jump.
You really have to do a deep dive into the totalitarian movements, to wrap your head around this stuff.
Yes it still sticks like old paint on the wall. It’s convention but signifies nothing.
My aunt who lives in Georgia says the same about Massachusetts liberals who migrate to Georgia - they just keep voting for stupid in their new nice home....
Newsom is very strange . He will not play well outside SF .
The “ bullet train “ began in 2008 . It was to connect SF to LA in 2hrs 45 minutes and go non stop at 220mph
As of last week all we have is an overpass in Fresno . No Rail . Just and Overpass . Why Fresno ? Welcome to California where you can drive an EV alone in the HOV lane .
"Why Fresno ?"
Because it's imperative to get from Fresno to Bakersfield in twenty-two minutes?
I think I've seen pictures of that overpass, and it's unfinished.
Honestly it wasn’t even going to go that far, going from Bakersfield, which is a cow town, to another cow town, never even reaching the bay.
The end result of #1 is the remainder has a higher concentration of lunatics.
Probably. Although many in California cannot leave the state. Or won't leave. Many are deeply rooted. Despite opportunities to move out, starting over is very hard. California still has very much to offer. The lunatic policies are now finally alienating even those who funded them (Mark Benioff wants DJT to send in the National Guard to clean up the free drug use zones in SF) and the crazies will get pushed down by moderated interests.
I live in Santa Barbara . How can I leave a place where the weather is 72 degrees everyday ? I actually live on the north end in Goleta which is far less “ woke “ . It’s tough . I just never talk to any of the Democrats . They are true aliens..like from a distant planet .
Keep in mind , we passed prop 187 to halt the flow of Mexicans . It passed with 60% ….it was ignored .
Partially true. I lived in AZ for a bit almost 20 years ago. The prices in AZ of housing now are through the roof, and NM is going the same way. I know several Californians who moved here to Ga and they brought their madness with them. You are probably one of the exceptions. I also read several reports of Americans living in Mexico and they seemed to share my thoughts. I am not speaking for ALL of them, but quite a few seem to fall back in their old ways once they got settled elsewhere.
Why live in Mexico when you can live in Los Angeles ?
Better food. Less traffic. Nicer people. :D
LOL that was my idea, too. I read a few books from an expat in Mexico and it is beyond me, that they want to stay there. That is how I figured how bad it must be in CA.
Mexico is doing loud communist marches against Americans and Canadians moving there. They even resent the tourists.
Most people don’t realize….. You must secure hundreds of thousands of dollars in your bank account to prove you can look after yourself if you wish to obtain Mexican residency.
You clearly have not been to Austin...
My Austin experience from 1980 to 2000 was wonderful…..true diversity with rednecks, hippies, blacks, hispanics, democrats and republicans co-existing well enough……the Californication had started but was relatively benign…..then things accelerated with the influx of California wealth and when I headed to TN in 2012 Austin had entered the Twilight Zone…….still has great aspects but the hassle of dealing with the downsides outweighs the rewards….really glad to have been living in the sticks during the Covid insanity……
Now they have a crime and homelessness epidemic.
And I know several California democrats who have moved to Austin. Do they like the weather?
Tech companies and film producers have moved there.
Oh, ok. So Ingrid should have said, "the woke, leftist loonies in California who constitute the majority of voters within and without the gerrymandered districts who get the prevailing leftist politicians in office, and not including the people who despise the prevailing government" here in the USA."
Yet the point is valid. Californians fleeing the result of their own stupid voting patterns have destroyed Colorado, Washington and Oregon, and have been trying to do the same to Texas and Idaho, with varying degrees of success.
Spot on.
Our experience with Californians, Utahans, and Arizonans pouring into the State is that they are missionaries of Wokism flush with Benjamins from unloading highly inflated real estate. I have yet to meet a refugee. They are hated and despised by the local population.
I will disagree as I'm an ex-Californian in Boise, and they've done their best to destroy this city. Wealthy Californians come here to retire and build megamansions in the foothills, which are now ugly as sin.
I fled California after living there for 60 years. It is a nightmare. I don’t want my current state, Missouri, ending up like California; rather I spread the word about what I see coming.
Like Californians moving to Montana.
There are more Republicans in California than in any other state. A lot of them are fleeing to other states and have no intention of replicating their political experience in California.
When they do, Lerkison, they become part of the problem, regardless of how they vote. They bring profits from realizing their hyperinflated home values, increasing competition for local housing and outbidding the locals, recreating the cost-of-living crisis they fled.
Migration is a sort of Ponzi scheme that way; the first to take that relative advantage are the winners, and subsequent migrants face diminishing returns, each wave having less advantage than the last.
Eventually, it stabilizes at a hyperinflated level, which then spurs further migration (mostly younger folks) in search of an income/expense balance that allows them some opportunity to flourish and prosper.
Within that instability, lies opportunity for a few; cash is king. The destabilization is quite a deliberate process.
Ted, these are good points about the potential negative consequences of Americans moving to different states. There are, of course, potential positive consequences too, such as an increased tax base and more industry. But this is all part of capitalism; there will always be some winners and some losers in these movements. And I certainly understand the sadness of places changing, losing their character. But this is unavoidable, as the world is always in flux; nothing is permanent. In fact, I am quite sad that the California of my youth--largely conservative and much less populated-- has permanently changed for the worse.
There is much in what you say about impermanence, Lerkison, and it's a universal fact of all systems; mercantilist, capitalist, communist, entropy always obtains.
What I miss most about the old California conservatives, is their deep kindness at the neighborhood level. They were always pleased to give youngsters opportunities to better themselves, and they were great conversationalists, too.
Well, I suppose we can only try to keep a little bit of those old traditions alive in these times of ever-faster change.
I've lived in Washington State since July 3rd 1970. Then the Californians came up here in the mid 80's. They have taken over and ruined our state. Ruined it.
"Then the Californians came up here in the mid 80's."
That was a game of "migration dominoes," Craig. Capital from everywhere converged on California, driving the tech boom-and-bust cycle. People followed, from within the country and from without.
Housing prices soared, spurring sellout in areas like the San Francisco Bay Peninsula, and cash-heavy homesellers moved north. One of those places was the "telecom valley" two counties north of Menlo Park.
The sellers-turned-buyers outbid the locals, driving up entry-level pricing beyond the reach of most. Those "shut-outs" moved north, compelling more cost-of-living migration.
Western-central California took a double-hit, with immigrants from mexico pushing that same equity-migration northward, and along with it, the economic base of the non-tech sector was ravaged by the trades being taken over. This knocked over another set of dominoes, pushing toward your neighborhood.
You took a double-hit, with migration from the west, along with from the south. What was ruined, was economic and family stability, such as it was, in California, Oregon and your own state of Washington.
Ill-informed people think that it's merely a matter of building more housing. That's a nice soundbite, but a fantasy. The money accrues with amortization. Housing stocks amortize over a period of time. Once amortized, prices for rentals drop, and rental prices set home prices when demand fluctuates.
With endless migration, demand no longer fluctuates, it continues to rise, only reaching momentary plateaus at certain points of the business cycle. What destroyed stability was constantly-increasing demand, gentrification, conversion of amortized properties to redeveloped market-rate and an imbalanced aggregate amortization schedule.
....And, of course, those who sold out instead of fixing the problem, brought that same attitude to my hometown and your home state.
These "unmitigated retards" (as E describes them) are just the "acceptable" faces of barbarism.
Its all a scam for elected officials and the elites to escape accountability.
Unfalsifiable garbage. The exact opposite of what science is.
The useless idiots, the banal evil living amongst us. The “know nothings” referred to from the Cross. Following Marxist Globalists right into the abyss of dystopian utopia. Never give up, never give in and never, ever refuse to vote no matter how bad it seems. The bad are indeed the minority, exactly why they resort to totalitarian methods to shut you up. That is weakness appearing strong.
Nailed it
Let them find out.
Everyone else in Hamburg should move now whilst property values have not yet cratered.
Exactly . Doomberg claims Europe is ignoring physics and will implode because of it .
I would correct you slightly in that I believe these people are genuine . They actually believe they are correct . Wind and solar will provide 100% of their electric needs .
I know . I live in California. It is difficult to live among insane people .
There are a lot of True Believer™ useful idiots, as pictured, and then there are the people in charge, many of whom are fully aware of their bad policies, but don't care.
Sometimes lessons may be hard and painful but necessary.
Leaving a path of destruction along the way, too stupid to know the difference between nihilism and nation building.
Germany needs max headroom but what they’ll get is MAX PAIN until they decide to make a change.
I tried. I wrote a German friend (in 2022) I hadn’t spoken with in 30 years when Baerbock and Co decided to marginalize fossil fuels. I expressed my concern but received the “wave off.” 😱 I will not say, “I told you so.” Unkind, and what would be the point?
Don't forget...the Marxists in Germany were very strong in the 30s. One of the reasons Hitler became popular was because of the communists in Germany. That's no excuse for supporting Nazis, but it was a factor. Don't forget, Marx was a German. And the left in Germany is making a comeback with a vengeance.
Agree 100%. Interestingly, the Marxists were also busy in other countries (ie with British unions) alongside competition from mustache man Fascists as we got closer to WW2.
Unfortunately, it's more laughing and celebrating their own ignorance. I bet the vast majority of those that voted for this law have no clue what it would entail. It's like all of those people who buy into the myth of "cheap green energy", then seem shocked when power prices increase.
Try explaining “ The Grid “ to them and watch their eyes glaze over .
AfD now at 40% by polling.
https://substack.com/@petersweden/note/c-166721589?r=xgq76&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
The main way I can tell if they have any clue on what's happening is if they understand the term "dispatchable". If not, they are hopeless.
A “know nothing” phenomena. Jumping on a bandwagon to self destruction.
The Greens are the NSDAP. That's why the referendum got up.
(DOC) How Nazi Are the Greens? National Socialism and the German Green Party
https://share.google/j1yZBbrq5DPQSc22I
Yeah. A total mind f..k. The only way they can win. Temporarily.
Jackpot!!
Think Starmer is bad for Britain? Check out which country is behind the Los Angeles riots?
This is a must read-
https://futurefastforward.com/2025/06/12/british-backed-chaos-the-color-revolution-masterminds-behind-las-riots/
This one isn’t opening for me.
Let’s try this one
https://open.substack.com/pub/seemorerocks/p/british-backed-chaos-the-color-revolution?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Which one? I’ll see whether there’s an option to link it differently.
Future fast forward
Check this out:
https://venuestoday.com/usaid-the-hidden-manipulator-behind-color-revolutions/
I’m thinking they used purple to create a monarchy parallel.
The color purple for their upcoming “No King” protest? Hmmmm, I’m thinking book. That was such a big deal for the Left back in the day. Either way, they’ve got nothing and losing support down the drain along with their Revolutionary fever dream and their revolutionary proxy league of misfits, Antifa and criminals. Meanwhile, Newsom is splintering the Constitution denying future purchases of glocks and releasing children from school to anyone who wants to pick them up. Neither move well received by Californians. The Dems in this state are such losers!
The Glocks “law” will 100% be overturned. Beside “not to be infringed,” Glocks are immensely popular which sets the standard for “in common use.” I don’t even think a trial would be necessary, just a “clarification” requested of SCOTUS since they’ve been ruling on this a lot recently.
It's definitely unconstitutional and yes it will definitely be reversed. Why he does these ridiculous and nonsensical things is a mystery to anyone with half a brain. The squirrelly little twerp wants attention all the time. He is a certified low IQ idiot, but he sure thinks he can be the next president. If America would be foolish enough to vote for this fool, well, I guess the country's brains have gone to mush. Every time I see him saying anything I just want to slap him silly. There's something seriously wrong with his brain.
I believe he is virtue signaling if you happen to know that colloquialism….
Gruesome Newsom is not really "virtue signaling" in the conventional sense. Rather, he is (once again) quite intentionally going way outside accepted legal bounds precisely in order to "move the Overton window."
Remember that Newsom once screamed in a public appearance (about gay marriage - then the cutting edge "social issue" du jour): "You're going to get it whether you like it or not."
I hope so!
They choose various colors for their regime change operations.
Purple was Hillary Clinton’s purple revolution which did not happen in 2016. They’re choosing a color for the midterms. Purple must be it if they’re playing up purple already. Democrats are all about marketing.
I really don’t know much about their color choices. I was just flirting with some ideas.
Purple was always for USA.
The big kahuna. Take the US down, the rest fall like dominoes.
Nihilism and moral entropy. Part of a much bigger picture. A color revolution.
In the US, it’s purple. If you look at all the groups, which are neither random nor individual, they all share something with a “purple” identifier. The No Kings bullshit uses purple placards , the Marxists/Islamists have different items with a purple color. Ditto the “Queers/Fatties/Jews/Feminists/Drag Queens/Sex Workers For Palestine(Hamas), Anti-Ice, etc.
I don’t know whether UK, Germany, France,Netherlands are using there own “ colours”, but the puppet leaders are all part of it.
Exactly right. The color purple, like the book? Good grief! I wonder if their mascot is Barney.
Just keep saying it and as often as you can. End every phrase with Vote this out. Then the authorities know exactly where you’re coming from and that you’re keeping it legal.
I’ll go back to the original site
As Mark Steyn often says, some societies become too stupid to survive. Here is a perfect example.
Steyn has gone dark . Where do you find him . He can be hilarious. I think he had a falling out with Tucker Carlson which is sad . Also , I think he finally one his case against Michael mann
Still produces at least four pieces a week on his website, steynonline.com. For a man who's had his health and litigation issues, his continued output and prescience is remarkable. I don't believe there is a finer writer in the English language currently.
Thanks
Thank you for revealing his hideout! Same website. Can’t imagine he and Carlson having a fallout, but many have.
He is hilarious. Love that guy.
I don't think I'd fault Steyn for falling out with Tucker, if true. Over the past, idk, twelve months or so, Tucker's gone a wee bit cuckoo. He's gotten high on his own supply and seems to lack anyone around him telling him, "That's a stupid thing to say," or, "Don't invite that wingnut onto your show. Just don't." I've cut way back on listening to his podcast.
Yes.
Yes it is.
Germany has obviously become an Idiocracy.
And there's also that famous saying, "You can't fix stupid."
https://substack.com/@petersweden/note/c-166721589?r=xgq76&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
'unmitigated retards having a happy'
Note the Marshmallowian front and center.
No nudists. It reminds me of California and other jurisdictions worldwide which ban electricity generation within their borders, then import it and pretend they haven't just exported the pollution to other jurisdictions with weaker anti-pollution laws.
Our very educated friend gets mad when I call her e-vehicle ‘coal-powered’ a lot of Texas electricity is still generated from Wyoming-sourced low-sulfur coal coming in on Warren Buffet-owned BNSF railroads.
I think the best thing the surrounding states could do is simply refuse to sell it to them.
Also, the one Greenie in the crowd.
They’re all millennials except the grisly dude under the green lights. 🤔
Actually, if you look closely, there are five green lights visible in the crowd. Somebody must've been handing those out.
Hamburg may have to collapse in order for all of Germany to regain sanity— just as NYC may under Democratic Socialist( nee communist) Mamdani. Sadly, as govt “income” declines due to deindustrialization, govt expenditures will increase to support ever more bureaucrats and unemployables. Then it will be Weimar all over again?
We visited beautiful Schönbrun palace abt 25 years ago and noticed most outbuildings were infested w government/NGO offices ‘doing something’ while parts of the palace were not adequately heated w condensation on the windows and peeling paint due to lack of pre-€ (DM) funding to properly operate the palace…
Have noticed that in other EU cities since. In Hamburg back then noticed the massive Granite Kaiser (ne Bismarck) Memorial was neglected as well, while my colleagues in Berlin were titillated asking if I visited the Reeperbahn and Herbertstraße…was sad sack area.
Just wait until the costs of this effort start piling up. Taxes and fees will go up, probably sharply, the tax base will erode as people and businesses flee and these bucketheads will stop smiling.
I am beginning to worry where we can go to escape this. Dubai does not appeal to me and all the traditional (for Brits) tax havens demand much more capital and income than I have. I am too old to matertially improve these data now.
Aren't the channel islands a good place for brits?
It also possible they will not be able to deliver the electricity. Forget the costs . You could go dark . They have no understanding of Physics. They can’t build anything or do anything ..only destroy
Yup, along with a myriad of other services as the “decarbonization” efforts consume more and more city resources.
All I see is a bunch of people clothed and fed all due to industries. I think anyone who voted for it should be forced to live where there is no industry or readily available fuel. Perhaps then the Rousseau fantasy can be shown to be the nightmare it is.
Or conversely, be sent to live in the area where all of these industries are going to go to keep propping up their lifestyle. Perhaps a season in Mumbai or Bangladesh might temper their enthusiasm for sending well-paid, relatively safe and dignified jobs for workers somewhere else where they don't want to look at it.
I agree 1000%. I have long advocated for drill baby drill in the US. Not that I want to see terrible industrial output/pollution. Rather, it is a hope that by seeing the consequences of drilling, innovation can make it cleaner acknowledging the reality that we are going to continue to use it. Our current offshoring is like putting your septic pond on a neighbor's property because you don't like the smell. I have also changed my mind about nuclear energy. I am with Michael Shellenberger that it furthers the goal of a cleaner environment.
I also have changed my mind about nuclear, and I grew up in the era of Jane Fonda and The China Syndrome.
Three Mile Island for me. The consequences are obviously very real as the Japanese learned with Fukushima. I've noticed there seems to be less organized opposition. Perhaps people are aware that their addiction to social media needs abundant energy.
There were no reported deaths at 3 mile island and no statistical add on deaths years later . Again no one died of radiation at Fukushima. The deaths were caused by the tsunami. Also ,no statistical add on deaths from radiation .
We weren’t commenting on death but the time period that was used to scare us.
how many people died as a result of Three Mile Island? How many die in the fossil fuel industries every year? Nuclear is the safest form of energy.
We also have other sources like thorium that are cleaner, less volatile and don't produce by product suitable for weapons. We can easily not repeat the mistakes and tech of the past at this point.
No one died at 3 mile island and no statistical add on deaths from radiation . Years later it is difficult to discern cause of death .
No one died in Fukushima ( death was due to tsunami )
Google and other tech companies are building nuclear power plants. They will be responsible for care and feeding. If we were concerned before it will soon be much more expanded and pervasive.
I live near the 4th largest nuclear power plant in the world - very safe Candu Reactor design. I feel fine with that. I think nuclear is a good solution to baseline power needs.
You were mistaken in the 70’s . There were no reported deaths at 3 mile island . It was a mistake of Biblical proportions. 50 years of progress wasted .
I don't remember any deaths reported, but as a 20-something at the time, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the news.
Safety and waste fuel disposal are still a concern, but in light of the recent history of other energy technologies, it's worth revisiting.
we weren't discussing deaths. we were discussing the time periods
Jane Fonda was a lifelong subverter.
Attention seeker
most are....Greta syndrome
She still is, even at 80-something.
Fukushima
Which was built in kind of a stupid place right on the ocean. I'm not saying nuclear is perfect, but no energy source is, and it's worth revisiting.
Yeah…. I think they used the water for some important purpose…. The sea wall was supposed to be the best known to man.
I feel much the same way.
And it disturbs me how OK many 'liberals' are with slave labor as long as is NIMBY. I know so many who are complaining about tariffs- and blaming tariffs for increases due to recent hikes in state gas and transport taxes that tariffs have nothing to do with. As long as they are personally surrounded by a world of performative kumbaya and cheap trinkets, they have no real care as to where their energy/stuff/cheap labor really comes from.
I used to get the peace institute new letter. Years ago it discussed that our Iphones were made with possible slave labor. Shoot under Obama, even NPR discussed the Uighur labor camps and the connections to the US and Hunter Biden.
Your friend is right about oil replenishment but only to a point.
Latest stats.
Either we’re just drilling more short term or previous info was a lie. Very confusing.
https://x.com/javierblas/status/1973104433765437667?s=12&t=nZQp1RRTzTVA8pql7YpS3A
A friend said the way the reserves are calculated are wrong and that oil replenishes itself. Have zero clue as to the truth
The fact is USA has harder to get light crude good for making plastic. If you notice, Trump is talking to Canadian western provinces, and seems extra eager over Venezuela. The basis for the stuff you put in your car is more rare now.
does their oil differ? I have read we have abundant oil but we haven't been drilling. I thought it was the processing that made the difference. Does quality depend on region?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/790790/us-oil-reserves-by-state/
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Crude-Oil-Stocks-Climb-While-Cushing-Levels-Sink-Deeper.html
thanks for the response. tapped out or failure to drill? what does CA have?
based on price ex taxes, it seems to be more plentiful than ever.
Sorry I just meant rare in the ground in USA. Not rare worldwide.
Why blame the people who voted though? Why not blame the 56% of the people who failed to vote? If this is what the German people want or at least refused to oppose, then they should get it good and hard.
Same everywhere. No one votes but they sure complain.
No doubt most people feel demoralized.
At least in the US, we've devalued voting by making it so 'easy' to vote. And some things do take time. My friend and I went through judges that we vote in. We were shocked at how crazy they were.
In California, at least 90% of judges do not have a proper, written oath of office stamped and certified.
150,000 people died due to cold in Europe last winter. Sorry I can’t remember the source.
The silver lining is that a German Trump becomes more and more inevitable.
not in "our" democrazy does that ever come close to reality.
Germany has had its Trump and is now much more aware of the dangers of electing a demagogue. Dangers for Germany and for the world.
Depressing read. Thanks :-(
Typo alert :
"Municipal industries must transition from coke and gas entirely to hydrogen and e-fuels, although there is hardly a market for either of these alternatives or even the hope of one"
Coke does sound funnier and might explain the actions we're seeing from these ingrates.
I've changed to 'petroleum coke' to clarify.
I learnt something new today. I didn't know about petroleum coke.
They bake in ceramic refractory insulated coke ovens, by products are metallurgical coke, coal
tar, nasty and extremely volatile coke gas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzPr3j6laGs
Most of us learned in fourth grade, when they taught how steel is made using coke, limestone and iron ore.
This ^^^^. Then again, in our day we had an actual education ...
Why would I remember what was taught in fourth grade? Sounds like a useless thing to remember as well. I never heard of coke being used as an energy source and thought he meant coal.
Yeah, you're probably right. Education is for suckers!
No. Thinking memorising meaningless information and teaching someone to be a slave to the system is though,-) But here's a gold star for being an obnoxious know it all
Zelensky: “Hey Pedoliac, I heard Putin bombed the coke plant! Not the coke plant Pedoliac!”
Pedoliac: “It’s a different kind of coke plant, Mr. President.”
Zelensky: “Oh. I am so relieved. Pedoliac. You a good friend.”
This is suicide, which means it's genocide eventually...which is -- of course -- the intended outcome.
Germany needs a government shutdown like we have here in the U.S. (and nobody has even noticed!). Trump is taking a buzzsaw to the vast canopy of deadwood which pollutes our fair land. I'm a longtime woodworker, and have American-,Japanese-, British-, and German-made tools. They're all good, but the German ones are exceptionally good; they stand out from the rest. Thus, de-industrialization in Germany brings tears to my eyes. Does Germany have the largest percentage of retards in government in the world? And the dismal turnout? What's up with that?
“ German engineering “ is legendary
If they were already at the bottom of the barrel and sank further no one would notice. But they were on fire as recently as 2019, now crashing magnificently, so everyone can’t help but notice.
Breathtaking stupidity
Just like California. We suffer from the same disease . The Woke mind virus
Speak for yourself! 😂
But you are going to still have a bunch of tanks and fighter jets to stand up to those mean old Russians right? Right?
It feels strange reading this at a time when America is trying to figure out how to reindustrialize as rapidly as possible.
No guarantee of actual production mind you. Just contracts for MIC.
What's with the old guy lit up green? Leprechaun?
Green Party.
Outstanding. Brilliant article. Tears of laughter running down my cheeks as I read it. It really is beyond belief, like a Monty Python sketch, how one city can contain SO MANY indescribably stupid people. Not two neurons to rub together amongst the lot of them. Phuck ‘em all — they deserve everything that’s coming to them.
How about the 77% who did not vote for this? Do they deserve it too?
Absolutely. They should have shifted their arses at least as far as the post box and voted AGAINST it. Apathy leads to domination by lunatics and deranged activists. Same as the UK currently, where 2TK was voted in by less than 25% of the eligible electorate.
Good point.
Come to California ..we have millions of them .
I often think of Pieter Bruegel painting “ “ The blind leasing the blind “ ..Happy Idiots
Do people here believe carbon actually matters or why lend credence to the lie of carbon by saying this:
"Hamburg is responsible for something 0.022% percent of CO2 emissions globally. The city is not even a rounding error."
The point of playing along with morons to lead them out of darkness is over. You did well but FULL ridicule is required. Do not give them an inch of retard or they can't help but go full retard. Think Sean penn.
I still see Dr Willie Soon before these graphs - and he keeps saying, our warmth comes from the SUN, not from CO or anything else. The earth is heated by the SUN. Watch his demolition of the fake science
No one denies that. But the composition of the atmosphere effects how much of the heat from the sun is absorbed. It's called greenhouse effect for a reason. Greenhouses do not produce heat. It's always the sun.
Also greenhouses have four walls and a roof - a closed system. The Earth has four different atmospheric layers opening out to space. The Church of Carbon is concerned with the weather in the troposphere (lowest layer in the atmosphere) if they even know what the term is.
It's all just posing really. You know, " Look at me! I'm enlightened."
Yes. But it easily becomes collective, snowballing, and having impact.
If nothing else, it is useful to the people in the actual lever room, in that it makes it easier for them to fulfil their policies. (This is why so much resources are poured on brainwashing. They would not otherwise.)
Sorry, typo alert. Missing words in these sentences:
"Hamburg is responsible for something 0.022% percent of CO2 emissions globally."
"It is absolutely imperative these sorts of people out of politics."
I'm especially interested to see what verb you meant to use in the second one.
thanks, a little bleary eyed after a day of translating.
"Bow"?
I was thinking more like "f*** off out of politics". It's nice of eugyppius to give us the opportunity to suggest verbs.
"It is absolutely imperative to defenestrate these sorts of people out of politics."
Excellent point!