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MissLadyK's avatar

Laughing and celebrating their own demise. Your language fits perfectly. Nihilism on full display.

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Tito Botero's avatar

Not really, they'll move on to another nice place, leaving the long- term residents and working class behind.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

and start all over again where they go, like Californians here in the USA.

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Eric Heath's avatar

2 quick points on your broad brush "Californians" comment:

1. Those who have left California are those largely chased out by these policies and the resultant conditions (high taxes, ineffective government, poor business climate) -- so, those leaving California are not seeking to re-establish the lunacy.

2. Many Californians despise the current governor and the interests he and his party advocate and govern through in this state.

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Ted's avatar

"so, those leaving California are not seeking to re-establish the lunacy."

True to some extent, perhaps largely true, but how do we establish the percentages?

I'm considering the outmigration from the San Francisco Bay Area to Austin and certain places in Colorado and New Mexico, when I speculate on this point.

The plural of anecdote isn't data, but I know two families that left for the sensible reasons you state, and three couples who migrated purely because their equity made them wealthier, and their "progressive" voting habits (and political agitation) moved with them.

Perhaps destination is the signal? I know two moderate conservatives planning to migrate to Florida, and one setting up retirement in Idaho.

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Tardigrade's avatar

As someone who has spent their entire adult life in two locations subject to this outmigration, I just want to point out there's a reason for the coining of "Californication".

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CorkyAgain's avatar

I know that reason very well, having lived in WA state since the 1980's.

But of course, the Soviet of Washington has its own history of leftwing insanity.

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Bob's avatar

Colorado is a mini-California. Very little difference other than the Rockies being grander than the Sierra Nevada range.

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Eric Heath's avatar

And the lack of an ocean on one side.

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Ray Noack's avatar

You can drive to Yuba City in less than 2 hours and see American Flags , No on 50 signs , pick up trucks and get a huge breakfast where the waitress calls to “Hon “ . Too bad it’s so hot there . A Cambria is the place but it is tiny . Yes ,it’s maddening to live in state run by lunatics

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Eric Heath's avatar

Idaho and Florida are common destinations for California out-migration. Biggest driver is likely income tax rather than Businesses moving sends the strongest signal. Wealthy individuals always have the luxury of living where they want, especially if they're retired, so I would not weight that signal as strongly as individuals in prime working age and otherwise thriving leaving. You will make much more money working in the SF Bay Area than in Austin. Your costs will be lower in Austin, but not as low as you want. I too live in the SF Bay Area, and I know only one individual that left the state because of the lunacy. The others left for family or jobs, (less-political motivations). There is simply too much opportunity here to ignore.

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WillyH's avatar

There may be too much opportunity to be ignored, but many people have availed themselves of it and are ready to retire. I live next door in Nevada,and we see them in droves. You can sell your house in California, and buy one here for half the money. You do get to bring your whole attitude with you also along with that money, and believe me, we see it. When I was young I would tell people that one would never see the day a restrictive gun law would be passed in this state. That day has come and gone. Idaho is next on their list.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Boise is quite progressive.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

1/2 my friends have left California. We have compromised due to our income source. We split time with a free state. I feel for people who are stuck due to a job.

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BD's avatar

I live here as well. So what do you say to the fact that all of these people moves up to Oregon and Washington for more affordable housing and ended up turning those states into loony bins, just like California. I think you are wrong. You state "Many Californians despise the current governor and the interests he and his party advocate and govern through in this state". So why do they lose every election? We've had to endure the imbecile voters who continually vote these democrat party morons into power. Even though approximately 40% are Republican voters, the state is a democratic party dictatorship. You think illegals don't vote here? California is turning into a hell hole, and if you live here, you should know better. The broad brush is verifiable, whether you like it or not.

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Eric Heath's avatar

Every stereotype contains truth. As do jokes. I don't deny that. And I don't like or dislike it. It just is.... and ultimately, I'm just saying not everyone in California is a lunatic, and not everyone that moves out of California is spreading whatever objectionable ideology around. That's all.

I've met lunatics in places like Indiana, Texas, and Utah. To the point of this article, it's an ideology rather than a place. California certainly has a bunch of lunatics. It also has upwards of 40 million people, so this is not surprising.

Actually, now that I think about it, I know a lot of Oregonians that have been living down here in California for quite a while. Canadians too... maybe they're the problem! ;) I kid, I kid.

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BD's avatar

You are correct. It's just that California seems to have more lunatics per square foot than anywhere else, IMO.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

The other part is that the lefty state government of California does everything to keep power. And with lots of indigents and bureaucrats among the population they keep them around with government paychecks.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

You must have no idea that Oregon and Washington are almost violently anti-Californian.

That applies to both lefty Californians moving to lefty PNW cities, or conservative Californians moving to the center-east side of the cascade range where they mostly vote conservative.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Newsom is very strange . He will not play well outside SF .

The “ bullet train “ began in 2008 . It was to connect SF to LA in 2hrs 45 minutes and go non stop at 220mph

As of last week all we have is an overpass in Fresno . No Rail . Just and Overpass . Why Fresno ? Welcome to California where you can drive an EV alone in the HOV lane .

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Ted's avatar

"Why Fresno ?"

Because it's imperative to get from Fresno to Bakersfield in twenty-two minutes?

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Tardigrade's avatar

I think I've seen pictures of that overpass, and it's unfinished.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Honestly it wasn’t even going to go that far, going from Bakersfield, which is a cow town, to another cow town, never even reaching the bay.

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Tardigrade's avatar

The end result of #1 is the remainder has a higher concentration of lunatics.

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Eric Heath's avatar

Probably. Although many in California cannot leave the state. Or won't leave. Many are deeply rooted. Despite opportunities to move out, starting over is very hard. California still has very much to offer. The lunatic policies are now finally alienating even those who funded them (Mark Benioff wants DJT to send in the National Guard to clean up the free drug use zones in SF) and the crazies will get pushed down by moderated interests.

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Ray Noack's avatar

I live in Santa Barbara . How can I leave a place where the weather is 72 degrees everyday ? I actually live on the north end in Goleta which is far less “ woke “ . It’s tough . I just never talk to any of the Democrats . They are true aliens..like from a distant planet .

Keep in mind , we passed prop 187 to halt the flow of Mexicans . It passed with 60% ….it was ignored .

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Partially true. I lived in AZ for a bit almost 20 years ago. The prices in AZ of housing now are through the roof, and NM is going the same way. I know several Californians who moved here to Ga and they brought their madness with them. You are probably one of the exceptions. I also read several reports of Americans living in Mexico and they seemed to share my thoughts. I am not speaking for ALL of them, but quite a few seem to fall back in their old ways once they got settled elsewhere.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Why live in Mexico when you can live in Los Angeles ?

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

LOL that was my idea, too. I read a few books from an expat in Mexico and it is beyond me, that they want to stay there. That is how I figured how bad it must be in CA.

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Warmek's avatar

Better food. Less traffic. Nicer people. :D

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Mexico is doing loud communist marches against Americans and Canadians moving there. They even resent the tourists.

Most people don’t realize….. You must secure hundreds of thousands of dollars in your bank account to prove you can look after yourself if you wish to obtain Mexican residency.

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Paul Ashley's avatar

Many who who flee California are unable to connect their liberal views with the problems they are fleeing.

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

Honestly associating the term liberal with the authoritarian aspects of politics in the US seems ironic to me…..the term used to refer to anti war pro free speech positions

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Dr. K's avatar

You clearly have not been to Austin...

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

My Austin experience from 1980 to 2000 was wonderful…..true diversity with rednecks, hippies, blacks, hispanics, democrats and republicans co-existing well enough……the Californication had started but was relatively benign…..then things accelerated with the influx of California wealth and when I headed to TN in 2012 Austin had entered the Twilight Zone…….still has great aspects but the hassle of dealing with the downsides outweighs the rewards….really glad to have been living in the sticks during the Covid insanity……

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BD's avatar

And I know several California democrats who have moved to Austin. Do they like the weather?

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Dingo Roberts's avatar

Oh, ok. So Ingrid should have said, "the woke, leftist loonies in California who constitute the majority of voters within and without the gerrymandered districts who get the prevailing leftist politicians in office, and not including the people who despise the prevailing government" here in the USA."

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Bob's avatar

Like Californians moving to Montana.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

These "unmitigated retards" (as E describes them) are just the "acceptable" faces of barbarism.

Its all a scam for elected officials and the elites to escape accountability.

Unfalsifiable garbage. The exact opposite of what science is.

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MissLadyK's avatar

The useless idiots, the banal evil living amongst us. The “know nothings” referred to from the Cross. Following Marxist Globalists right into the abyss of dystopian utopia. Never give up, never give in and never, ever refuse to vote no matter how bad it seems. The bad are indeed the minority, exactly why they resort to totalitarian methods to shut you up. That is weakness appearing strong.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Nailed it

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Ray Noack's avatar

Exactly . Doomberg claims Europe is ignoring physics and will implode because of it .

I would correct you slightly in that I believe these people are genuine . They actually believe they are correct . Wind and solar will provide 100% of their electric needs .

I know . I live in California. It is difficult to live among insane people .

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Tardigrade's avatar

There are a lot of True Believer™ useful idiots, as pictured, and then there are the people in charge, many of whom are fully aware of their bad policies, but don't care.

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MissLadyK's avatar

Leaving a path of destruction along the way, too stupid to know the difference between nihilism and nation building.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Germany needs max headroom but what they’ll get is MAX PAIN until they decide to make a change.

I tried. I wrote a German friend (in 2022) I hadn’t spoken with in 30 years when Baerbock and Co decided to marginalize fossil fuels. I expressed my concern but received the “wave off.” 😱 I will not say, “I told you so.” Unkind, and what would be the point?

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BD's avatar

Don't forget...the Marxists in Germany were very strong in the 30s. One of the reasons Hitler became popular was because of the communists in Germany. That's no excuse for supporting Nazis, but it was a factor. Don't forget, Marx was a German. And the left in Germany is making a comeback with a vengeance.

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Chixbythesea's avatar

Agree 100%. Interestingly, the Marxists were also busy in other countries (ie with British unions) alongside competition from mustache man Fascists as we got closer to WW2.

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Epaminondas's avatar

Unfortunately, it's more laughing and celebrating their own ignorance. I bet the vast majority of those that voted for this law have no clue what it would entail. It's like all of those people who buy into the myth of "cheap green energy", then seem shocked when power prices increase.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Try explaining “ The Grid “ to them and watch their eyes glaze over .

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Epaminondas's avatar

The main way I can tell if they have any clue on what's happening is if they understand the term "dispatchable". If not, they are hopeless.

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MissLadyK's avatar

A “know nothing” phenomena. Jumping on a bandwagon to self destruction.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

The Greens are the NSDAP. That's why the referendum got up.

(DOC) How Nazi Are the Greens? National Socialism and the German Green Party

https://share.google/j1yZBbrq5DPQSc22I

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MissLadyK's avatar

Yeah. A total mind f..k. The only way they can win. Temporarily.

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Gail's avatar

Nihilism and moral entropy. Part of a much bigger picture. A color revolution.

In the US, it’s purple. If you look at all the groups, which are neither random nor individual, they all share something with a “purple” identifier. The No Kings bullshit uses purple placards , the Marxists/Islamists have different items with a purple color. Ditto the “Queers/Fatties/Jews/Feminists/Drag Queens/Sex Workers For Palestine(Hamas), Anti-Ice, etc.

I don’t know whether UK, Germany, France,Netherlands are using there own “ colours”, but the puppet leaders are all part of it.

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MissLadyK's avatar

Exactly right. The color purple, like the book? Good grief! I wonder if their mascot is Barney.

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MissLadyK's avatar

Just keep saying it and as often as you can. End every phrase with Vote this out. Then the authorities know exactly where you’re coming from and that you’re keeping it legal.

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Gail's avatar

I’m thinking they used purple to create a monarchy parallel.

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fiendish_librarian's avatar

As Mark Steyn often says, some societies become too stupid to survive. Here is a perfect example.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Steyn has gone dark . Where do you find him . He can be hilarious. I think he had a falling out with Tucker Carlson which is sad . Also , I think he finally one his case against Michael mann

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fiendish_librarian's avatar

Still produces at least four pieces a week on his website, steynonline.com. For a man who's had his health and litigation issues, his continued output and prescience is remarkable. I don't believe there is a finer writer in the English language currently.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Thanks

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I.M.'s avatar

I don't think I'd fault Steyn for falling out with Tucker, if true. Over the past, idk, twelve months or so, Tucker's gone a wee bit cuckoo. He's gotten high on his own supply and seems to lack anyone around him telling him, "That's a stupid thing to say," or, "Don't invite that wingnut onto your show. Just don't." I've cut way back on listening to his podcast.

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Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

Yes.

Yes it is.

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Tardigrade's avatar

'unmitigated retards having a happy'

Note the Marshmallowian front and center.

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Chartertopia's avatar

No nudists. It reminds me of California and other jurisdictions worldwide which ban electricity generation within their borders, then import it and pretend they haven't just exported the pollution to other jurisdictions with weaker anti-pollution laws.

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Warmek's avatar

I think the best thing the surrounding states could do is simply refuse to sell it to them.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Also, the one Greenie in the crowd.

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Nicholas Edward Bednarski, MD's avatar

Hamburg may have to collapse in order for all of Germany to regain sanity— just as NYC may under Democratic Socialist( nee communist) Mamdani. Sadly, as govt “income” declines due to deindustrialization, govt expenditures will increase to support ever more bureaucrats and unemployables. Then it will be Weimar all over again?

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Matthew's avatar

The silver lining is that a German Trump becomes more and more inevitable.

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

not in "our" democrazy does that ever come close to reality.

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Harald Gormsson's avatar

Just wait until the costs of this effort start piling up. Taxes and fees will go up, probably sharply, the tax base will erode as people and businesses flee and these bucketheads will stop smiling.

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EppingBlogger's avatar

I am beginning to worry where we can go to escape this. Dubai does not appeal to me and all the traditional (for Brits) tax havens demand much more capital and income than I have. I am too old to matertially improve these data now.

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Ray Noack's avatar

It also possible they will not be able to deliver the electricity. Forget the costs . You could go dark . They have no understanding of Physics. They can’t build anything or do anything ..only destroy

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Harald Gormsson's avatar

Yup, along with a myriad of other services as the “decarbonization” efforts consume more and more city resources.

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Elizabeth's avatar

All I see is a bunch of people clothed and fed all due to industries. I think anyone who voted for it should be forced to live where there is no industry or readily available fuel. Perhaps then the Rousseau fantasy can be shown to be the nightmare it is.

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baker charlie's avatar

Or conversely, be sent to live in the area where all of these industries are going to go to keep propping up their lifestyle. Perhaps a season in Mumbai or Bangladesh might temper their enthusiasm for sending well-paid, relatively safe and dignified jobs for workers somewhere else where they don't want to look at it.

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Elizabeth's avatar

I agree 1000%. I have long advocated for drill baby drill in the US. Not that I want to see terrible industrial output/pollution. Rather, it is a hope that by seeing the consequences of drilling, innovation can make it cleaner acknowledging the reality that we are going to continue to use it. Our current offshoring is like putting your septic pond on a neighbor's property because you don't like the smell. I have also changed my mind about nuclear energy. I am with Michael Shellenberger that it furthers the goal of a cleaner environment.

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Tardigrade's avatar

I also have changed my mind about nuclear, and I grew up in the era of Jane Fonda and The China Syndrome.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Three Mile Island for me. The consequences are obviously very real as the Japanese learned with Fukushima. I've noticed there seems to be less organized opposition. Perhaps people are aware that their addiction to social media needs abundant energy.

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Ray Noack's avatar

There were no reported deaths at 3 mile island and no statistical add on deaths years later . Again no one died of radiation at Fukushima. The deaths were caused by the tsunami. Also ,no statistical add on deaths from radiation .

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Elizabeth's avatar

We weren’t commenting on death but the time period that was used to scare us.

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Mitch's avatar

how many people died as a result of Three Mile Island? How many die in the fossil fuel industries every year? Nuclear is the safest form of energy.

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baker charlie's avatar

We also have other sources like thorium that are cleaner, less volatile and don't produce by product suitable for weapons. We can easily not repeat the mistakes and tech of the past at this point.

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Ray Noack's avatar

No one died at 3 mile island and no statistical add on deaths from radiation . Years later it is difficult to discern cause of death .

No one died in Fukushima ( death was due to tsunami )

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Ray Noack's avatar

You were mistaken in the 70’s . There were no reported deaths at 3 mile island . It was a mistake of Biblical proportions. 50 years of progress wasted .

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Tardigrade's avatar

I don't remember any deaths reported, but as a 20-something at the time, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the news.

Safety and waste fuel disposal are still a concern, but in light of the recent history of other energy technologies, it's worth revisiting.

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J_in_Ontario's avatar

I live near the 4th largest nuclear power plant in the world - very safe Candu Reactor design. I feel fine with that. I think nuclear is a good solution to baseline power needs.

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Mitch's avatar

Jane Fonda was a lifelong subverter.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Attention seeker

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Mitch's avatar

most are....Greta syndrome

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The Big Ugly's avatar

Why blame the people who voted though? Why not blame the 56% of the people who failed to vote? If this is what the German people want or at least refused to oppose, then they should get it good and hard.

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Riri's avatar

Depressing read. Thanks :-(

Typo alert :

"Municipal industries must transition from coke and gas entirely to hydrogen and e-fuels, although there is hardly a market for either of these alternatives or even the hope of one"

Coke does sound funnier and might explain the actions we're seeing from these ingrates.

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eugyppius's avatar

I've changed to 'petroleum coke' to clarify.

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Riri's avatar

I learnt something new today. I didn't know about petroleum coke.

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air dog's avatar

Most of us learned in fourth grade, when they taught how steel is made using coke, limestone and iron ore.

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EmilyTVProducer's avatar

This is suicide, which means it's genocide eventually...which is -- of course -- the intended outcome.

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Karl's avatar

What's with the old guy lit up green? Leprechaun?

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Tardigrade's avatar

Green Party.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Sorry, typo alert. Missing words in these sentences:

"Hamburg is responsible for something 0.022% percent of CO2 emissions globally."

"It is absolutely imperative these sorts of people out of politics."

I'm especially interested to see what verb you meant to use in the second one.

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eugyppius's avatar

thanks, a little bleary eyed after a day of translating.

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Richard North's avatar

"Bow"?

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vorlic's avatar

I was thinking more like "f*** off out of politics". It's nice of eugyppius to give us the opportunity to suggest verbs.

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Tardigrade's avatar

"It is absolutely imperative to defenestrate these sorts of people out of politics."

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Tardigrade's avatar

Excellent point!

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Ed Ligon's avatar

Breathtaking stupidity

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Ray Noack's avatar

Just like California. We suffer from the same disease . The Woke mind virus

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Gary Ogden's avatar

Germany needs a government shutdown like we have here in the U.S. (and nobody has even noticed!). Trump is taking a buzzsaw to the vast canopy of deadwood which pollutes our fair land. I'm a longtime woodworker, and have American-,Japanese-, British-, and German-made tools. They're all good, but the German ones are exceptionally good; they stand out from the rest. Thus, de-industrialization in Germany brings tears to my eyes. Does Germany have the largest percentage of retards in government in the world? And the dismal turnout? What's up with that?

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Ray Noack's avatar

“ German engineering “ is legendary

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Eldeezy's avatar

God help western Europe and save these people from themselves, I'm not sure anyone else can.

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Roger Willbourn's avatar

Outstanding. Brilliant article. Tears of laughter running down my cheeks as I read it. It really is beyond belief, like a Monty Python sketch, how one city can contain SO MANY indescribably stupid people. Not two neurons to rub together amongst the lot of them. Phuck ‘em all — they deserve everything that’s coming to them.

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Tardigrade's avatar

How about the 77% who did not vote for this? Do they deserve it too?

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Roger Willbourn's avatar

Absolutely. They should have shifted their arses at least as far as the post box and voted AGAINST it. Apathy leads to domination by lunatics and deranged activists. Same as the UK currently, where 2TK was voted in by less than 25% of the eligible electorate.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Good point.

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Ray Noack's avatar

Come to California ..we have millions of them .

I often think of Pieter Bruegel painting “ “ The blind leasing the blind “ ..Happy Idiots

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Never Forget's avatar

Do people here believe carbon actually matters or why lend credence to the lie of carbon by saying this:

"Hamburg is responsible for something 0.022% percent of CO2 emissions globally. The city is not even a rounding error."

The point of playing along with morons to lead them out of darkness is over. You did well but FULL ridicule is required. Do not give them an inch of retard or they can't help but go full retard. Think Sean penn.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I still see Dr Willie Soon before these graphs - and he keeps saying, our warmth comes from the SUN, not from CO or anything else. The earth is heated by the SUN. Watch his demolition of the fake science

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jean's avatar

No one denies that. But the composition of the atmosphere effects how much of the heat from the sun is absorbed. It's called greenhouse effect for a reason. Greenhouses do not produce heat. It's always the sun.

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WillyH's avatar

It's all just posing really. You know, " Look at me! I'm enlightened."

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