Apparently not stabbing and spitting on conductors is a peculiar central European cultural norm unknown to our guests from Syria, Afghanistan and Turkey.
Another excellent, albeit disturbing piece, eugyppius. Unspoken beneath your cutting sarcasm is that this is all intentional, not a result of naiveté or even incompetence or idiocy. At the top, these decisions are intentional. The lower-level bureaucrats who are left to deal with the carnage may be naïve or incompetent, but the decision makers who are fostering this debacle most certainly are not. They are evil, pure and simple.
Yes, it is being done with full knowledge of what it will result in.
For those catching up: Fact: There are countries with primitive subcultures that believe rape and brutality against women (and even boys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi ) is morally acceptable. This is 1 reason why orderly modern immigration processes (long chucked out the window by Western countries) need to be adhered to.
As a girl, in the late 70s, I spent 4 years in Paris. We were vexed by such characters repeatedly asking us, as we walked home from school, "Do you want to come home with me?"
These men would try to rub their groins against women in packed rush-hour subways. And they would come on to any age: a kid, a mom, or a white-haired grandmother.
Given my family's conversations with other French residents, we learned the problem had been well-known since before the 70s.
If you live in a Western country, whose immigration processes have been trashed, it's best to assume that you'll need to protect yourself when you step out. At least carry bear spray.
Sadly, one cannot assume personal safety as we could in the past.
I heard some very disturbing stories from folks who visited Paris back then. Every single perpetrator was from Africa. I can only speculate as to how much worse things have become. This isn't racism, it's the facts.
Add me to the list of raconteurs. Paris, 1973, first experience of the French Quarter, grabbed really viciously on the breast by an African guy as I strolled the sidewalk middle of the day. I can still remember the look on his face, too.
Normandy and Brittany were much more pleasant. In those days.
I was in Paris as a 19 year old girl in 1971. I narrowly escaped being abducted by an African immigrant. My mother and I never returned to that beautiful city.
You are so, so right. In 1977-79 I worked as a teacher in Tehran. If any of we women were out and about without another male accompanying us, it was not good. We didn't want to be out alone walking anywhere, and even two or three woman together could be dicey. The characterization of a "primitive subculture" is absolutely spot on. We used to call it "Stone Age mentality" as a joke, but it was truer than you might think. There were, of course, educated, sophisticated Iranian men who didn't behave that way. And then there were the low wattage "others". Those men had no respect for women whatsoever and believed that any woman out and about without a man as an "escort" was fair game. In crowded areas as people pass by each other on a crowded street, you would be shocked at how many males can pass by you at a good clip but still manage to get in a crotch grab on a passing woman. Looking back in shock, you could barely determine who the perp was in the crowd. Grab and run. We women usually carried Bic pens in hand and at the ready in order to stab the incoming hand.
Thank you for this personal recollection. Chilling. Hard to imagine how stressful that must've been.
I also appreciate your nuance: "There were, of course, educated, sophisticated Iranian men who didn't behave that way."
Being concerned about out-of-control immigration, with no set processes or ability to vet properly, isn't xenophobic in the slightest. It's tragic that some insist that any adult discussion of the topic, can't include any criticism or questioning.
To wit: It's hard to conceive of a more cosmopolitan city than Paris, with its suburbs too.
On any given day at school, I'd sit next to a Lebanese girl on the left, and someone from Moscow on the right.
One day a new girl from Kenya, came into our geometry class. Her name was Lucy. She sat *under* her desk, and it was clear she felt afraid.
The teacher wisely let Lucy be, not requiring her to do otherwise.
I and a couple of my friends soon befriended Lucy and she lost her shyness. I still remember her laughing at our jokes and coming out of her shell.
Being concerned about rape and assault by cavemen is being concerned for *everyone* in a given country: all women and their families.
May we find our way back to civilized and open debate on the issue and action.
Awful. I believe what you say and can confirm it from my personal experience. But I don’t understand from your description how prevalent assaults were and how it was received by those who didn’t partake in this criminal behavior? Was it normalized?
(Also what a time to have been teaching in Tehran!)
It wasn't constant, it was occasional. Yet it was frequent enough that we were always "on guard" and carried our Bic pens at the ready. I wouldn't say it was normalized. It just "was." Iranian women had problems with some of the men too but didn't really know what to do about it. We Western women were more overtly aggressive in fighting back. Overall, I loved the Iranian people and the country, but there were a lot of uneducated scumbags running around too.
And yes...it was an incredible time to be there from a historical point of view. Weird, strange, but also exciting and Iran was such a rich cultural experience on many levels. Ancient Persia had unbelievable handicrafts and art, not only in the architecture, but also reflected in carpets, miniature paintings, tapestries, bronze work, the list is long. It's so tragic what has happened to Iran since the revolution, which ruined it.
Because the West loves women so much they have to make sure women have to learn how to fight off brutes! Is this for the good of women or is this masked female hating? Or do we continue to be chattel in the eyes of all those policy makers?
The 1960s civil rights legislation is the starting point for it in the Anglosphere and the hideous remnants of the liberty, equality fraternity human falsehood in France
And you can bet the people 'at the top' who allowed this to happen never ever use public transport themselves, preferring chauffeur driven limos, and helicopters if not private jets. We have lost control of our countries and no one cares. We are all in our own now and it will only get worse!
This has nothing to do with public transport and everything with elevating "civilized helplessness" into a holy virtue. Mental and physical disarmament has consequences.
All part of the plan as you can obviously see. It's a very busy strategic plan, all designed to overwhelm via it's various heads attacking at once, generating fear, with the ultimate plan of Gov (and the Private Public interface) riding in on their white horse to save us all (NOT) as part of the not so (great) reset!!
I used to be convinced it was intentional at the top and it made me incredibly angry, but at this point I can’t focus on them because without all the people at the lower levels of compliance, i.e., the general public, who will not look squarely at what is happening, the situation would not exist.
Yep. Following the Covid Event, most of my contempt has been directed at the enablers. They will gladly explain that your dissent is a result of "internet misinformation", and they know it because The Experts explained all about it in the Proper Respectable Channels. The normies aren't victims, they're collaborators.
Exodus 23:2, perhaps the most important commandment, is universally disregarded, as well as suffering Maimonides'(?) misinterpretation - decide by our democracy.
Their Plausible Explanation which is always B.S. “I was just doing my job” Pay Back, I would say rampant Rape at the G20 or WEF meetings, however that might get to many likes from these degenerates.
We are 7.5 billion, remember the majority rule let’s all wake up before its to late.
Out of respect for diversity re: cultural-ethnic mores, values and traditions, migrants to Germany ought to be punished for crimes according to the customs and religions of their respective group.
For arab moslems (f.e.), assaulting and sexually harassing a woman would mean at least a public flogging (Ithink it is fifty lashes with either a whip or a sharp rod accross the lower back) plus paying reparations to the victim or her legal guardian.
I feel that in order to avoid racism, we should most definitely show respect for migrants by upholding their various traditions when it comes to crimes and punishments.
The deeper problem is a fundamental mismatch of cultures (coupled with the liberal/progressive belief in either the goodness or the perfectability of human nature, against which all history, common sense, and all major wisdom traditions make strong arguments).
It's kind of like a well-behaved western youth soccer team taking the field against a bunch of Genghis Khan's riders.
I hope you do not live in Canuckistan because the little Stalin named turdo is filed with lies and BS just like biDumb and ovomit is and was. He is importing millions of moslems who would abuse any woman not moslem in vile ways and we do not want or need such sub human trash.
"Those migrants exposing themselves to female conductors, pulling out knives, spitting on railway staff, fighting with each other, assaulting fellow passengers – all one massive misunderstanding!"
I guess you have to kill 'em. No other way to stop this very deliberate bad behavior. These men are malignant, incorrigible and, for all the good they do, extraneous.
Turks and Afghans are not "arabs" and would balk at the suggestion they are.
And in a sharia court system there needs to be a certain amount of witnesses to an assault so no, sexually harassing women does not automatically mean a public flogging.
Actually in fact these guys understand perfectly well that rape and groping are not acceptable though they will try it any place they can.
In the '80s I was living in Peshawar and I used to travel everywhere throughout the city, visiting friends, shopping etc., and I was always properly schmattehed-up but Americans are indelibly so anywhere.
And I was walking in a crowded street and a guy grabbed my juicy bottom. And in my very best extremely idiomatic Pushto I started carrying on. "Do you not have a mother? A sister? Am I not a human being like you?" etc. etc. etc. and a crowd of men soon formed and I continued in my extremely dramatic exposition, and all of them assured me that indeed I was a human being worthy of respect and they grabbed *that* guy and took care of him good.
I'll give lessons on how to respond to these guys for free if you fly me over and back. My Pushto is a lot rustier now and it wasn't ever pristine but the gestures I can still accomplish with full range of motion.
And I'll school your moron officials too about their hopeless ignorance of how the world works.
indeed, SCA. the problem is not ignorance, it's that these people are calibrated for societies where behaving like this will get your ass kicked, or worse. without that to keep them in line, you get this behaviour instead.
What I find really appalling with the Finnish and German reactions is the patronizing manner in which they try to control this problem. They treat the immigrant offenders like 6-year-olds. This will only cause the offenders to treat the authorities with further contempt.
Very well said; I agree 100%. A lot of these men come from places where physical violence is the norm. The suggestion that they would submit to being controlled by some middle-aged woman scolding them is not just naive, it is rightfully seen as a direct insult. Westerners have become almost insane in their inability / unwillingness to understand the most basic aspects of human dynamics.
And we see that even in countries where floggings and execution by stoning etc. are routine, there's no shortage of malefactors. But you just gotta keep up the fight.
That because SA is a power play and the ultimate FU to well behaving men. It’s like these scum do it to prove not only they can, yet to provoke other men with “I know you want to do this too “. It’s a tool of revolt to upper class values.
I had a very small taste of this as a teacher in San Francisco public schools in the early 2000’s. The students really needed a MUCH firmer hand, yet the teachers were hamstrung.
Calibration, good formulation: not innate but habituated to a certain level of enforcement and once that is removed trouble can follow. Calibration allows us to avoid assertions on race yet recognize differences which have profound consequences. Profiling as a practical matter.
Obviously, this method (making the offender notice that you are a human being and not a thing) applies not only to mid-easterners, but to other nations too. Actually, just two days ago we had to use it against a completely native Finn, who was tasked by the new owner of the neighbouring apartment (rivitalo for those familiar with the types of Finnish houses) to paint their side of the fence shared with ours, and could not help himself but start cutting down plants (with wonderful berries on them) on our side that were getting just a bit in his way on top of the fence. My wife had to tell him very similar things to bring him to his senses. (That was an old man, so other methods of "persuasion" could not be used)
And just about a week ago my son had to intervene when another completely native (this time young) man was assaulting a girl in a fast food place late at night. Sorry for a bit of unwanted reality (this is not to SCA or Eugyppius but to certain others who might read this).
If we're all going to be entirely honest, every level of sexual assault is found everywhere and extremely frequently with power/status imbalances so good luck to the girl or woman trying to get justice in almost every case. In the US we've had so many instances of basement rapes during HS parties in lovely suburban communities and the guys are always the popular ones from families of well-educated professionals.
But of course roving gangs of foreigners tend to stick out a lot more. I wouldn't say it's an improvement to be raped by one's own but every society has enough of its own problems that it's pretty moronic to import the problems of other cultures.
The main difference lies in frequency of offences per offender, and how the offence is viewed by his peer-group.
When one of our class-mates in school (8th grade, meaning 15 year olds) got rough with a girl at a school party, /we/ roughed him up, because it just wasn't on. Same with girls who went for other girls' boyfriends; the girls sorted that out.
But for certain groups, that only counts if it's a girl/boy of the same group - it it's a white girl (to use the american catch-all term) she simply doesn't count. She has no honour, she has no clan that'll exact revenge, and on the remote chance police will be able to nail the culprit, he'll get off lightly anyway and will get honour and respect among his peers and his family for having been in prison.
Among many mid-eastern groups here, it is seen as a rite of passage for the boys to sow their wild oats among swedish girls, since they are all whores according to the mid-easterners - whereas marrying a swedish girl is close to a death-sentence.
I will quibble with you here because in the US there's been plenty of in-group rape and sexual abuse and the girls who report it to the authorities--school administrators or law enforcement--will often be absolutely destroyed by their peers. Trying to get justice against a high-status group, even if you are purportedly a high-status girl, is often a hopeless quest and even if prosecutions occur, the girl's life in the community is over.
And as I said in this space recently, an important reason poor people in Muslim countries are often unwilling to send their daughters to school is because they can't protect them outside the house. A family trying to get justice shall have put a target on the backs of every one of their members.
Plenty as compared to what, is the key. While I don't doubt that there's some truth to the Jock-sterotype with assorted wrong behaviour due to "affluenza" and such - that is quite certainly a drop in the ocean compared to how afghans, arabs and such behave against "infidel" women.
Nor is there any societal acceptance (as far as I can see) for the "Jocks", though there may of course be some "she asked for it by dressing up/getting drunk/chewing gum in a suggestive way"-crowd too - bit I think the average american would think it wrong to take advantage of a drunk girl no matter what the circumstances are.
Perhaps it is the Puritan cultural heritage that is the root-cause of ostracising the victim in such cases? I know it is among moslems, no matter how blameless the girl or woman is: even if the clan seeks and takes revenge, /she/ is still seen as worthless and may well be driven out or even killed (a "favourite" here, unique to moslems, is tossing her off of a balcony, as that makes it nigh-on impossible for police to prove any wrongdoing).
The average American is not a HS boy and when popular HS boys get in trouble their communities often cover for them.
You are seeing these Muslim migrants in your country. They behave just the same in theirs. Middle-class urban women have more freedom of movement and dress and migrant men from the countryside, or from slum communities, handle that very poorly. And of course upper-class men can get away with anything and do--even with peer-group girlfriends, sisters and wives.
Yes, of course. Plus, if something like that would happen in post-USSR space where I spent my youth, and I would intervene and it went bad for the offender, police would only thank me (if they would notice). Here, I'm not sure whose side police would take.
Not long ago I saw a video from Iran of a “man” there physically harassing a young woman over her lack of head dress. A group of men passing by mustered to her Defence and beat the shite out of him.
I view Iranians as I do Chinese; while I hate their governments, I understand that most are great people victimized by their respective governments and that these groups have their own share of bad apples as we do.
Shia Islam is a particularly crazy variant. Iran's culture is quite schizophrenic because it combines great sophistication and an extremely long history with the derangements of Shia philosophy.
One thing is for certain. Criminals are not afraid enough. Realize that our "elites" are the same sort of people who won't discipline their own children.
The elites live in gated communities, employ private security and do not mingle in any way with the hordes of lawless and dangerous criminals they have invited to my country.
Yup. Sweden had that up until the 19th century. Works well too.
And even better, people convicted of slander or lying could be sentenced to the stocks outside church (men) or wear a contraption with a razorblade pointing into the mouth (women).
Imagine journalists and politicians under such laws.
I remember when in my town they hanged two brothers in the middle of the square, because they killed and robbed a family. Not a single peep in the whole square!
I’m quite certain these “refugees” know the rules, but choose not to follow them because they have correctly concluded that the natives are too week to mandate compliance. Ultimately, the “refugees” have nothing but contempt for the natives and surely believe they will one day make the “rules” while the natives hide and cower and retreat to the fringe to be safe.
No one regardless of culture has any respect for people who won't fight back, who set no limit to the abuse they're willing to take. Europeans will only realize they should have fought to maintain all that they had and all they were, but only after it's taken away.
"No one (...) has any respect for people who won't fight back..."
True, and it has been observed both in small-scale and large. Hangers-on to the original bully often explain their actions as the victim deserving it, precisely because the victim won't fight back.
As did interviewed camp-guards after WW2: they came to hate the inmates for not fighting back (no matter the weakened state of the inmates), especially if circumstances were such that a combined rush by hundreds of inmates against maybe only 4-5 guards were possible.
It is even noted in ancient manuscripts and is also prevalent among other mammals: if the runt of the pack at least tries to fight, he/she is treated better than if he/she just takes it.
But western culture has for ca 70 years now had its boys raised by women who have taught "violence is always wrong" and "fighting doesn't solve anything" and "bullies hurt on the inside and are really weak".
And now, western men won't defend western women (that'd be sexist to do), so the women of today get to suffer for what the feminists of the 1950s-2000s fought for.
Kinder, Küche, Kirche might have been limiting to men and women alike, but it worked a damn sight better than the current alternative.
We are equally vulnerable here in the UK. Disarming the population is a favourite of governments who do not trust the people. The fact that countries like Britain and Germany have severely restricted civilian gun ownership tells us something about our governments' attitudes towards us. They treat us with either suspicion or contempt, and foist deeply unpopular policies on us, despite our protests. It won't end well.
Another excellent, albeit disturbing piece, eugyppius. Unspoken beneath your cutting sarcasm is that this is all intentional, not a result of naiveté or even incompetence or idiocy. At the top, these decisions are intentional. The lower-level bureaucrats who are left to deal with the carnage may be naïve or incompetent, but the decision makers who are fostering this debacle most certainly are not. They are evil, pure and simple.
Yes, it is being done with full knowledge of what it will result in.
For those catching up: Fact: There are countries with primitive subcultures that believe rape and brutality against women (and even boys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi ) is morally acceptable. This is 1 reason why orderly modern immigration processes (long chucked out the window by Western countries) need to be adhered to.
As a girl, in the late 70s, I spent 4 years in Paris. We were vexed by such characters repeatedly asking us, as we walked home from school, "Do you want to come home with me?"
Students referred to these folks as "the Algerians." (https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/mde280022010en.pdf) But I believe some were Afghans, and from other countries as well.
These men would try to rub their groins against women in packed rush-hour subways. And they would come on to any age: a kid, a mom, or a white-haired grandmother.
They would rape their own as well. In the 80s, a heroic French woman of Algerian origin, Samira Bellil, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samira_Bellil) detailed how she'd been repeatedly gang-raped. https://time.com/archive/6953598/sisters-in-hell-2/ And it turned out there was something of an epidemic of such gang rapes. (More on Samira Bellil: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2004/sep/13/guardianobituaries.france )
Given my family's conversations with other French residents, we learned the problem had been well-known since before the 70s.
If you live in a Western country, whose immigration processes have been trashed, it's best to assume that you'll need to protect yourself when you step out. At least carry bear spray.
Sadly, one cannot assume personal safety as we could in the past.
I heard some very disturbing stories from folks who visited Paris back then. Every single perpetrator was from Africa. I can only speculate as to how much worse things have become. This isn't racism, it's the facts.
Add me to the list of raconteurs. Paris, 1973, first experience of the French Quarter, grabbed really viciously on the breast by an African guy as I strolled the sidewalk middle of the day. I can still remember the look on his face, too.
Normandy and Brittany were much more pleasant. In those days.
I was in Paris as a 19 year old girl in 1971. I narrowly escaped being abducted by an African immigrant. My mother and I never returned to that beautiful city.
You are so, so right. In 1977-79 I worked as a teacher in Tehran. If any of we women were out and about without another male accompanying us, it was not good. We didn't want to be out alone walking anywhere, and even two or three woman together could be dicey. The characterization of a "primitive subculture" is absolutely spot on. We used to call it "Stone Age mentality" as a joke, but it was truer than you might think. There were, of course, educated, sophisticated Iranian men who didn't behave that way. And then there were the low wattage "others". Those men had no respect for women whatsoever and believed that any woman out and about without a man as an "escort" was fair game. In crowded areas as people pass by each other on a crowded street, you would be shocked at how many males can pass by you at a good clip but still manage to get in a crotch grab on a passing woman. Looking back in shock, you could barely determine who the perp was in the crowd. Grab and run. We women usually carried Bic pens in hand and at the ready in order to stab the incoming hand.
Thank you for this personal recollection. Chilling. Hard to imagine how stressful that must've been.
I also appreciate your nuance: "There were, of course, educated, sophisticated Iranian men who didn't behave that way."
Being concerned about out-of-control immigration, with no set processes or ability to vet properly, isn't xenophobic in the slightest. It's tragic that some insist that any adult discussion of the topic, can't include any criticism or questioning.
To wit: It's hard to conceive of a more cosmopolitan city than Paris, with its suburbs too.
On any given day at school, I'd sit next to a Lebanese girl on the left, and someone from Moscow on the right.
One day a new girl from Kenya, came into our geometry class. Her name was Lucy. She sat *under* her desk, and it was clear she felt afraid.
The teacher wisely let Lucy be, not requiring her to do otherwise.
I and a couple of my friends soon befriended Lucy and she lost her shyness. I still remember her laughing at our jokes and coming out of her shell.
Being concerned about rape and assault by cavemen is being concerned for *everyone* in a given country: all women and their families.
May we find our way back to civilized and open debate on the issue and action.
Sounds godawful.
Thanks for the bic pen idea, BTW I guess time for us here to learn from the women in the trenches there.
Awful. I believe what you say and can confirm it from my personal experience. But I don’t understand from your description how prevalent assaults were and how it was received by those who didn’t partake in this criminal behavior? Was it normalized?
(Also what a time to have been teaching in Tehran!)
It wasn't constant, it was occasional. Yet it was frequent enough that we were always "on guard" and carried our Bic pens at the ready. I wouldn't say it was normalized. It just "was." Iranian women had problems with some of the men too but didn't really know what to do about it. We Western women were more overtly aggressive in fighting back. Overall, I loved the Iranian people and the country, but there were a lot of uneducated scumbags running around too.
And yes...it was an incredible time to be there from a historical point of view. Weird, strange, but also exciting and Iran was such a rich cultural experience on many levels. Ancient Persia had unbelievable handicrafts and art, not only in the architecture, but also reflected in carpets, miniature paintings, tapestries, bronze work, the list is long. It's so tragic what has happened to Iran since the revolution, which ruined it.
Bic pens? Maybe a bear trap would have been more appropriate. I am so sorry you had to endure that.
Because the West loves women so much they have to make sure women have to learn how to fight off brutes! Is this for the good of women or is this masked female hating? Or do we continue to be chattel in the eyes of all those policy makers?
They're locking men into prison cells with women. What do you think?
Keeping women in a state of fear of men is a physical, spiritual and emotional tactic in order to destroy God’s most magnificent creation: humans.
Men’s inability to control their appetite of lust and destruction is straight from the pit of hell.
We do not war against flesh and blood, but principalities….know your enemy.
The 1960s civil rights legislation is the starting point for it in the Anglosphere and the hideous remnants of the liberty, equality fraternity human falsehood in France
And you can bet the people 'at the top' who allowed this to happen never ever use public transport themselves, preferring chauffeur driven limos, and helicopters if not private jets. We have lost control of our countries and no one cares. We are all in our own now and it will only get worse!
This has nothing to do with public transport and everything with elevating "civilized helplessness" into a holy virtue. Mental and physical disarmament has consequences.
First they make us afraid (just like 'covid') - then they can control us, to 'keep us safe' - with facial recognition and 24/7 mass surveillance.
All part of the plan as you can obviously see. It's a very busy strategic plan, all designed to overwhelm via it's various heads attacking at once, generating fear, with the ultimate plan of Gov (and the Private Public interface) riding in on their white horse to save us all (NOT) as part of the not so (great) reset!!
Yes! move into our 15 minute city where safety awaits.
I used to be convinced it was intentional at the top and it made me incredibly angry, but at this point I can’t focus on them because without all the people at the lower levels of compliance, i.e., the general public, who will not look squarely at what is happening, the situation would not exist.
Yep. Following the Covid Event, most of my contempt has been directed at the enablers. They will gladly explain that your dissent is a result of "internet misinformation", and they know it because The Experts explained all about it in the Proper Respectable Channels. The normies aren't victims, they're collaborators.
They’re being played, stage by stage, in what to say and think.
Exodus 23:2, perhaps the most important commandment, is universally disregarded, as well as suffering Maimonides'(?) misinterpretation - decide by our democracy.
Their Plausible Explanation which is always B.S. “I was just doing my job” Pay Back, I would say rampant Rape at the G20 or WEF meetings, however that might get to many likes from these degenerates.
We are 7.5 billion, remember the majority rule let’s all wake up before its to late.
Yes, so many cite Hanlon’s Razor. No, this has been clearly intentional for some time now.
Barbara Specter is probably proud her efforts have paid off
Please use an ordinary apostrophe. WP had to redirect.
Same here in Oz my friend
Out of respect for diversity re: cultural-ethnic mores, values and traditions, migrants to Germany ought to be punished for crimes according to the customs and religions of their respective group.
For arab moslems (f.e.), assaulting and sexually harassing a woman would mean at least a public flogging (Ithink it is fifty lashes with either a whip or a sharp rod accross the lower back) plus paying reparations to the victim or her legal guardian.
I feel that in order to avoid racism, we should most definitely show respect for migrants by upholding their various traditions when it comes to crimes and punishments.
We must after all be inclusive.
That would result in a lot of one-handed, castrated immigrants. How will they make their Falafels?
More importantly it would result in less unemployable, unvetted, and security risks that would result in far fewer snaggle toothed taxi drivers.
fewer
You know, that is not a terrible idea.
The deeper problem is a fundamental mismatch of cultures (coupled with the liberal/progressive belief in either the goodness or the perfectability of human nature, against which all history, common sense, and all major wisdom traditions make strong arguments).
It's kind of like a well-behaved western youth soccer team taking the field against a bunch of Genghis Khan's riders.
Excellent suggestion, Rikard!
Thats why those countries have sharia. Maybe someday Europe will join them.
Maybe, but hey, I’m not ready to be treated like chattel just yet…
I hope you do not live in Canuckistan because the little Stalin named turdo is filed with lies and BS just like biDumb and ovomit is and was. He is importing millions of moslems who would abuse any woman not moslem in vile ways and we do not want or need such sub human trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unAX99IbbQk
Click on that. Turdo is far worse than biDUMB.
Want more proof the turdo is a statist stalinist criminal sop and
DICKtator?
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQVxbhHTbtWNRGPsxtNDKZZnLbZ
"Those migrants exposing themselves to female conductors, pulling out knives, spitting on railway staff, fighting with each other, assaulting fellow passengers – all one massive misunderstanding!"
I guess you have to kill 'em. No other way to stop this very deliberate bad behavior. These men are malignant, incorrigible and, for all the good they do, extraneous.
What a brilliant idea.
Turks and Afghans are not "arabs" and would balk at the suggestion they are.
And in a sharia court system there needs to be a certain amount of witnesses to an assault so no, sexually harassing women does not automatically mean a public flogging.
I think we need a big 'no-no square' across the entire European continent.
aka 'No - you're not coming in. No - you're not staying.'
Maybe Oulu city council can make the promotional video?
I’m chuckling, this is one kick butt no-no square that I like. I also can hardly write no-no square lol
Actually in fact these guys understand perfectly well that rape and groping are not acceptable though they will try it any place they can.
In the '80s I was living in Peshawar and I used to travel everywhere throughout the city, visiting friends, shopping etc., and I was always properly schmattehed-up but Americans are indelibly so anywhere.
And I was walking in a crowded street and a guy grabbed my juicy bottom. And in my very best extremely idiomatic Pushto I started carrying on. "Do you not have a mother? A sister? Am I not a human being like you?" etc. etc. etc. and a crowd of men soon formed and I continued in my extremely dramatic exposition, and all of them assured me that indeed I was a human being worthy of respect and they grabbed *that* guy and took care of him good.
I'll give lessons on how to respond to these guys for free if you fly me over and back. My Pushto is a lot rustier now and it wasn't ever pristine but the gestures I can still accomplish with full range of motion.
And I'll school your moron officials too about their hopeless ignorance of how the world works.
indeed, SCA. the problem is not ignorance, it's that these people are calibrated for societies where behaving like this will get your ass kicked, or worse. without that to keep them in line, you get this behaviour instead.
What I find really appalling with the Finnish and German reactions is the patronizing manner in which they try to control this problem. They treat the immigrant offenders like 6-year-olds. This will only cause the offenders to treat the authorities with further contempt.
Very well said; I agree 100%. A lot of these men come from places where physical violence is the norm. The suggestion that they would submit to being controlled by some middle-aged woman scolding them is not just naive, it is rightfully seen as a direct insult. Westerners have become almost insane in their inability / unwillingness to understand the most basic aspects of human dynamics.
But they still give white sex criminals much harsher treatment
100%.
And we see that even in countries where floggings and execution by stoning etc. are routine, there's no shortage of malefactors. But you just gotta keep up the fight.
Sort of like spanking children, as needed, that ignore rules and responsibilities.
Oh you sly thing, you.
That because SA is a power play and the ultimate FU to well behaving men. It’s like these scum do it to prove not only they can, yet to provoke other men with “I know you want to do this too “. It’s a tool of revolt to upper class values.
I had a very small taste of this as a teacher in San Francisco public schools in the early 2000’s. The students really needed a MUCH firmer hand, yet the teachers were hamstrung.
A friend was once a teacher in a Los Angeles ghetto. A mutual friend suggested he needed to keep an Uzi or an AK47 in his desk.
Where I used to work, we used to say that on a good week we only called the cops once or twice.
That was over twenty years ago.
Seriously
And the result of having to live with them is that the rest of us have to submit to authoritarian laws and rules.
In short; they require the constant threat of extreme physical violence in order to behave in a civilized manner.
The thing is that these societies live differently.
Women don’t go anywhere alone. They are accompanied by their sisters, brothers, cousins.
There is still a lot of violence. Look at those thousands of women who suffer from acid attacks every year.
Calibration, good formulation: not innate but habituated to a certain level of enforcement and once that is removed trouble can follow. Calibration allows us to avoid assertions on race yet recognize differences which have profound consequences. Profiling as a practical matter.
Obviously, this method (making the offender notice that you are a human being and not a thing) applies not only to mid-easterners, but to other nations too. Actually, just two days ago we had to use it against a completely native Finn, who was tasked by the new owner of the neighbouring apartment (rivitalo for those familiar with the types of Finnish houses) to paint their side of the fence shared with ours, and could not help himself but start cutting down plants (with wonderful berries on them) on our side that were getting just a bit in his way on top of the fence. My wife had to tell him very similar things to bring him to his senses. (That was an old man, so other methods of "persuasion" could not be used)
And just about a week ago my son had to intervene when another completely native (this time young) man was assaulting a girl in a fast food place late at night. Sorry for a bit of unwanted reality (this is not to SCA or Eugyppius but to certain others who might read this).
If we're all going to be entirely honest, every level of sexual assault is found everywhere and extremely frequently with power/status imbalances so good luck to the girl or woman trying to get justice in almost every case. In the US we've had so many instances of basement rapes during HS parties in lovely suburban communities and the guys are always the popular ones from families of well-educated professionals.
But of course roving gangs of foreigners tend to stick out a lot more. I wouldn't say it's an improvement to be raped by one's own but every society has enough of its own problems that it's pretty moronic to import the problems of other cultures.
The main difference lies in frequency of offences per offender, and how the offence is viewed by his peer-group.
When one of our class-mates in school (8th grade, meaning 15 year olds) got rough with a girl at a school party, /we/ roughed him up, because it just wasn't on. Same with girls who went for other girls' boyfriends; the girls sorted that out.
But for certain groups, that only counts if it's a girl/boy of the same group - it it's a white girl (to use the american catch-all term) she simply doesn't count. She has no honour, she has no clan that'll exact revenge, and on the remote chance police will be able to nail the culprit, he'll get off lightly anyway and will get honour and respect among his peers and his family for having been in prison.
Among many mid-eastern groups here, it is seen as a rite of passage for the boys to sow their wild oats among swedish girls, since they are all whores according to the mid-easterners - whereas marrying a swedish girl is close to a death-sentence.
I will quibble with you here because in the US there's been plenty of in-group rape and sexual abuse and the girls who report it to the authorities--school administrators or law enforcement--will often be absolutely destroyed by their peers. Trying to get justice against a high-status group, even if you are purportedly a high-status girl, is often a hopeless quest and even if prosecutions occur, the girl's life in the community is over.
And as I said in this space recently, an important reason poor people in Muslim countries are often unwilling to send their daughters to school is because they can't protect them outside the house. A family trying to get justice shall have put a target on the backs of every one of their members.
Plenty as compared to what, is the key. While I don't doubt that there's some truth to the Jock-sterotype with assorted wrong behaviour due to "affluenza" and such - that is quite certainly a drop in the ocean compared to how afghans, arabs and such behave against "infidel" women.
Nor is there any societal acceptance (as far as I can see) for the "Jocks", though there may of course be some "she asked for it by dressing up/getting drunk/chewing gum in a suggestive way"-crowd too - bit I think the average american would think it wrong to take advantage of a drunk girl no matter what the circumstances are.
Perhaps it is the Puritan cultural heritage that is the root-cause of ostracising the victim in such cases? I know it is among moslems, no matter how blameless the girl or woman is: even if the clan seeks and takes revenge, /she/ is still seen as worthless and may well be driven out or even killed (a "favourite" here, unique to moslems, is tossing her off of a balcony, as that makes it nigh-on impossible for police to prove any wrongdoing).
The average American is not a HS boy and when popular HS boys get in trouble their communities often cover for them.
You are seeing these Muslim migrants in your country. They behave just the same in theirs. Middle-class urban women have more freedom of movement and dress and migrant men from the countryside, or from slum communities, handle that very poorly. And of course upper-class men can get away with anything and do--even with peer-group girlfriends, sisters and wives.
Not according to the FBI uniform crime statistics database, and not according to objective analysis by for example Heather Mac Donald.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2011/04/are-one-five-college-women-sexually-assaulted-heather-mac-donald/
Did I say "college?"
White sluts run through by blacks and browns and then a Swedish cuckboy ends up with them...
Yes, of course. Plus, if something like that would happen in post-USSR space where I spent my youth, and I would intervene and it went bad for the offender, police would only thank me (if they would notice). Here, I'm not sure whose side police would take.
Karelia?
East side of lake Peipsi near Estonia.
Not long ago I saw a video from Iran of a “man” there physically harassing a young woman over her lack of head dress. A group of men passing by mustered to her Defence and beat the shite out of him.
I view Iranians as I do Chinese; while I hate their governments, I understand that most are great people victimized by their respective governments and that these groups have their own share of bad apples as we do.
Shia Islam is a particularly crazy variant. Iran's culture is quite schizophrenic because it combines great sophistication and an extremely long history with the derangements of Shia philosophy.
Deport immigrants who commit crimes. Problem solved. Next.
And then when they come right back in? One of the illegals who raped and murdered a 12yo girl in Texas had been deported at least 7 times....
Gallows at the border.
Optional: cages hanging from poles, in which the criminal is put to rot to death.
It will come to that. Where there is no law, vigilantes will naturally rise
Very medieval - I like it!
One thing is for certain. Criminals are not afraid enough. Realize that our "elites" are the same sort of people who won't discipline their own children.
The elites live in gated communities, employ private security and do not mingle in any way with the hordes of lawless and dangerous criminals they have invited to my country.
Sadly, they do, instilled with the idea that the rest are not worthy
Gallows out side every town and city, with criminals hanging for everyone to see...
Yup. Sweden had that up until the 19th century. Works well too.
And even better, people convicted of slander or lying could be sentenced to the stocks outside church (men) or wear a contraption with a razorblade pointing into the mouth (women).
Imagine journalists and politicians under such laws.
I remember when in my town they hanged two brothers in the middle of the square, because they killed and robbed a family. Not a single peep in the whole square!
Deport immigrants who commit crimes after punishing them. Problem solved. Next.
Brand them, and deliver them, with documentation, to the Taliban.
I'm not opposed to executing them on a second offense.
Deport Muslim immigrants who commit crimes. Problem solved. Next.
FIFY
Deport all of them. They are not in our countries because they love them, they are here to take over.
We think alike. See above.
And, expel the jews who financed and facilitated their arrival. That will fix MANY problems, actually.
The Taliban does not agree they be devout Muslims.
Deport them all, criminal or not
I’m quite certain these “refugees” know the rules, but choose not to follow them because they have correctly concluded that the natives are too week to mandate compliance. Ultimately, the “refugees” have nothing but contempt for the natives and surely believe they will one day make the “rules” while the natives hide and cower and retreat to the fringe to be safe.
No one regardless of culture has any respect for people who won't fight back, who set no limit to the abuse they're willing to take. Europeans will only realize they should have fought to maintain all that they had and all they were, but only after it's taken away.
"No one (...) has any respect for people who won't fight back..."
True, and it has been observed both in small-scale and large. Hangers-on to the original bully often explain their actions as the victim deserving it, precisely because the victim won't fight back.
As did interviewed camp-guards after WW2: they came to hate the inmates for not fighting back (no matter the weakened state of the inmates), especially if circumstances were such that a combined rush by hundreds of inmates against maybe only 4-5 guards were possible.
It is even noted in ancient manuscripts and is also prevalent among other mammals: if the runt of the pack at least tries to fight, he/she is treated better than if he/she just takes it.
But western culture has for ca 70 years now had its boys raised by women who have taught "violence is always wrong" and "fighting doesn't solve anything" and "bullies hurt on the inside and are really weak".
And now, western men won't defend western women (that'd be sexist to do), so the women of today get to suffer for what the feminists of the 1950s-2000s fought for.
Kinder, Küche, Kirche might have been limiting to men and women alike, but it worked a damn sight better than the current alternative.
Sadly, they're not wrong.
An armed society is a polite society and the Germans are helpless
We are equally vulnerable here in the UK. Disarming the population is a favourite of governments who do not trust the people. The fact that countries like Britain and Germany have severely restricted civilian gun ownership tells us something about our governments' attitudes towards us. They treat us with either suspicion or contempt, and foist deeply unpopular policies on us, despite our protests. It won't end well.
Yes. It is the 2nd amendment that keeps the US government looking over its shoulder at a gun behind every blade of grass. Stay safe
Beowulf knew what to do
I understand they want to disarm the AfD first.
I was actually expecting Eugy to have mentioned *that* particular court ruling already.
Import the 3rd world, get 3rd world attitudes.
Import not-Germans, become not-Germany.