I was recently chastised for using the word jigger when explaining how to make a cocktail. Soon anything with a G and an R will be grounds for outrage.
In the US I have a relative who went to great lengths to help a trans person with a work issue, and then when the trans person said, "thank you," he answered, "sure, man. Anytime." So the trans person went and reported him to HR for having called him "man"!! He got called in and he got a black mark in his employment record.
For heavenssakes, in the US "man" isn't necessarily literal. Many women say it to each other— "oh, man!" It's just an expression.
This was just an excuse to bully a person who didn't deserve it.
But I also think this particular trans person enjoyed playing the victim, and he enjoyed turning people against him so that he could play the victim. I suspect that's what was happening with your bartender as well.
Had a friend a long time ago who would bring his beautiful lab "Digger" to the park all the time and occasionally be found yelling "Digger!!! Where are you!! Come here Digger!" to the amusement of all listeners. I'm guessing he would be in trouble for this regrettable name in today's climate. This was in the '80's natch.
He should have called his dog COVID like I did .When I called my dog back while walking in the park ,by calling COVID ,COVID ,come back ,the dog came back to me ,but everyone else got up and ran the other way .
Well…there was no such thing as Covid in 1985. So there’s that. AIDS was big back then but for obvious reasons a heterosexual red blooded American male would not be interested in naming his dog such a thing.
Collective persecution. We need something similar against our enemies. Any suggestion that heritage is not paramount should be met with similar if not greater moral scrutiny. Any undue tolerance of non-Europeans in our lands should have one suspected of making underhanded deals to get ahead.
It’s already happened, some years ago, and was addressed by Stephen Pinker in a lengthy and scholarly rebuttal. ‘Snigger’ has also drawn attention, but not from intelligent people, only the trigger happy, (oh, shit..did I…)
Years ago, the National Football League was considering hiring Condoleeza Rice (a big American football fan) as their new league commissioner. A sports radio commentator was excited at the prospect and wanted to praise the idea. He started his sentence with "that would be a real... for the NFL." Tragically for him, he couldn't decide in time whether to say "a real credit" or "a real boon," and it came out as "a real coon." He got fired the next day.
Here in Australia we had a brand of tasty cheddar cheese called Coon after the owner of the business. It had been acquired by Kraft. It was extremely popular for dozens of years.
When the Kraft brand was basically retired in Oz, the cheese name was officially changed from Coon to Cheer 🙄.
Hehehehe, in my native area there's a village called Negerbyn. "Negro village".
It has nothing directly to do with actual Negros - I doubt anyone from there had seen a real live one except on TV until the 1990s, or if visiting the capital or attending some concert; Negros were that rare here then. The school I went to when we lived in the city (900 students ages 13-16) had two, both adoptees.
In olden days (1950s and earlier) that village was a stay-over place for charcoal-burners and tar-makers and given how those things were produced back then and that the men had zero amenities out in the forests, they were literally Negro-black when they came back after a few weeks of labour.
Acquaintance of mine always had trouble when he was in London. His first name? Odd.
"Hello, my name is Odd, what is yours?" is not as good a pick-up line as you'd imagine.
I was permanently banned from Facebook after a Black guy, I’d never had any FB contact with, never crossed paths with called me a White Supremacist, dirty Jew and a c*nt. Because I was posting on a real-time friend’s page who is black and I the only white person commenting on his page at the time. I replied to the lunatic with, “ You gleaned all that from my photo? What does that make you aside from a racist, misogynist , antisemite and an Imbecile? Im outta here”.
I’ve no idea where the “ dirty Jew” spew came from. Unless I tell someone I’m Jewish or knows that I am, nobody has ever made that determination by looking at me. Instead, they’re shocked to learn otherwise some of the reactions are so crazy that they’re hilarious. Apparently, being white is now equated with Judaism . Used to be the other way around
The following day when I attempted to log in, I was met with a notification that my page had been permanently removed after a FB user filed a complaint about my unprovoked racist attack targeting him. The guy who attacked me , without any provocation, using the most vile profanity and hate reported me!
I was banned for “ Violating FB Community Standards by spreading racism and hatred. “ Him? Rewarded.
15 years on FB, 5000”friends”, 872 friend request, thousands of followers at least 200 photos, saved phone numbers, messages,the names, faces - gone.
In those fifteen years, not a single complaint filed or violation. Until the lunatic filed the kill shot. A friend called a few days later to ask why “ I” removed my page. He was floored. Called back a few minutes later to tell me the guy had joined FB a few days prior to my page being removed , had 2 friends . One was his cousin, the other was my friend whose page I was on when he went full on batshit hate crazy. Can’t make it up. Happened during Obama’s Siege. The onset of cancel culture , Surveillance State. Thought and Speech Policing, the Censorship Industrial Complex , Prosecution and Imprisonment for “ Hate Speech” that isn’t and a free pass for the “ right type” of hate.
Yep, that actually happened. And it was in the same Washington DC city government that once refused service to a person from New Mexico because, that person said, he was not a US citizen.
More recently a Chinese person was condemned you saying Ne Ga, Ne GA, Ne GA several times. In Mandurian this phrase is used as a space filler and means literally that, that that.
true - but I always wondered if the person did that on purpose. Maybe just to prove how illiterate we have become and he made his point better than he expected.
“I suspect this prosecution arises from some kind of automatic flagging process triggered by an error in an electronic transcription.” The wonders of mass surveillance. I can feel how much safer and inclusive our venerable democracy is becoming 😍
Exactly. More precisely, in the words of the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, the principle is "SENTENCE FIRST - VERDICT AFTERWARDS."
The initial notice PRESUMES the recipient guilty, and SUMMARILY orders him to pay a fine. It is then up to the recipient to incur the trouble and expense of a criminal trial to displace that presumption. The trial is in effect an appeal from an initial ADMINISTRATIVE finding of guilt.
The trial initiated BY THE ACCUSED is in effect an appeal from the initial administrative finding of guilt, and effectively starts from a PRESUMPTION OF GUILT. It is only at the end of the trial that the accused would receive a JUDICIAL verdict of "guilty" or (if he is very lucky) "not guilty" of the offense, and in the former case a much heavier penalty.
Germany’s national suicide began when Stazi Mädchen Merkel realized that forming a new NASDAP was absolutely prohibited. What to do? Import a gang of foreigners with the same ideology and let them run rampant.
you only have to watch YouTube translations to understand. A far-Eastern monk has a qi-gong channel. He has a very heavy accent, and the tube translated Q-Gong meditation with Chicken meditation. I had to stop watching, no way I could meditate with the chickens.
Every time I think I live in a mad country which has completely lost the plot, you pop up with a story showing that Germany is even madder than Britain!
I still love the very funnyTom Sharpe novels from the 70/80ties (Wilt, Porterhouse a.s.o.) and for me it looks like Britain started down that road long before us...
This is an infuriating story. I know nothing of German law but does the population at large generally side with the dip-💩💩💩 in charge? I never imagined I’d envision Caesar Flickerman and Effie Trinket when reading about real people. Condolences.
This makes me think of long ago, in a chat room, where someone got knocked out because of writing the name of Arnold Schwarzenegger with a I. Host thought the person wrote the N word, which is a curse here in the US, even though I heard some black people say it themselves. So this is yet another 'racial' item made up by mostly white people.
At least we know where NOT to move to thanks to your posts.
Hm. I'm not a native German speaker but I believe his name is a compund of Schwarzen for Black, and Egger for Spear/Prosperity (alt. forms are Ogier and Edgar).
So we can make "Blackspear" a reasonable translation.
But we'd need an actual German-speaking scholar of names to really get it right, of course.
Close but no cigar. To me as a native German speaker this denotes someone who lived in Schwarzenegg, roughly "Black corner". Probably a village in Tirol.
Aha! thank you. So "Egger" would be derived from Ecke then, I guess?
Hm, Black Corner - sounds like a place in the shade most of the time. Up here there's a village called Mörkret = The Darkness; it's on the North-East slope of a low mountain, so it's almost always in the shade.
Nearby is the village called "Andra sidan" = The Other Side...
On the map, I once found a small place (in Upper Austria, I think?) with the wonderful (to an English speaker) name of Rottenegg.
I assumed that "Egg" meant some specific kind of high rocky thing - the Austrians have lots of those; but thanks to you I see it's a form of "Ecke" for "corner".
I’m learning Portuguese on Duolingo and Negro is the acceptable word for the colour black. I believe Spanish is the same? A Spanish goalkeeper at the football club I support was banned, shamed and sacked for using this word in relation to a player he wanted marked. If the player had been “blond”, “”tall”or “ginger” it wouldn’t have been a problem.
yes it is. And for all I know, most blacks don't bother about that, but N.igger is different, that is not the word for a colour, it is something that came from the slaves being called that, a cuss-like word I suppose.
I accept that. Our goalie used the word Negro though, so why should he have been castigated? It is literally the same as Black, which I assume was acceptable.
Negro was never a curse. In the USA was completely acceptable until the 70s. It fell out of use due to the preference for Black. But there was no big deal about it at all. Everyone knew it wasn’t a bad word. But perhaps now everyone has forgotten.
I'd say it's pretty similar for German "Neger". It was the regular word to refer to someone of dark skin. Of course you can find plenty of examples where the word was used in a racist context, but I can still see in the way old relatives use it that it was just as neutral as today's "Schwarzer" (black) is. I still learned it from older people and books and used it as a kid in the 90s. It was probably already unacceptable for many at that point but I didn't notice before the new millennium.
Today I'd never say "Neger" to refer to a black person because in my generation it has become entirely unacceptable. I won't correct older relatives for continuing to use it, maybe I would if I was them, and I think it's strangethat this word changed its meaning so much, but it is what it is and if I'd use it as a young(ish) white guy, it would 100% be understood as racism.
Just one thing really pisses me off though: only for the past few years I've been hearing people refer to "Never" as "das N-Wort". That's ridiculous. It's obviously an intent to copy American sensitivities and import them to our language. Frankly, I find it very odd that you guys have a word that you don't even dare to utter in quotes. It's a concept I only knew from reading Harry Potter (in German) when I was a kid, where no one says "Voldemort" out loud. But I'm not here to tell Americans how to speak English, and I accept that it's a sensitive issue in the US not unlike Nazi language is a sensitive issue in Germany. I rarely have a reason to pronounce "Neger" but when I do, I will surely not dance around it to cater to this imported nonsense. There's thousands of words that you shouldn't use, if we applied this to all of them, we'd soon run out of letters. I mean, "Nutte" (whore) is also a bad "N-Wort",...and what about "Nazi"? :)
The insanity over the word "nigger" in the US is at a slightly higher order though as certain people can and routinely do use the word, often loudly and proudly. I wonder whether there might be consequences for a black person in Germany who was to utter some verboten words.
Yes, although Heil in itself has strong Nazi connotations. You still see the verb heilen (to heal) and related words like Heilkunde, Heilung, Seelenheil...even "heil" as an adjective is used in some contexts as "undamaged". But if someone used it like the Nazis did in "Sieg Heil", it would always ring strong Nazi connotations
In English, you may think of "Hail Mary" for example, but in German Catholics don't pray "Heil Maria" (they say "gegrüßt seist du Maria" and I think the English phrasing sounds cooler). Using Heil that way may not be illegal in every combination, but people would at least think that you're making a Nazi comparison or an edgy joke or something.
German state to YouTube kid: "You did an incantation. You did a hex. You did a malediction. You did an imprecation. You did a sulfurous emanation. You did an infernal summoning. You did a no warding off of mal ojo. This makes it abundantly clear you did not understand the demoniacal nature of the multiplicity of your sins."
This is an essentially magical understanding of the nature of speech -- it doesn't matter if you *accidentally* spoke the accursed syllables out loud. you said the curse and now the community has to punish you lest the evil eye fall upon all of us
this is totally right, it's another element in the general degraded understanding of the entire Nazi legacy we see every day. low-resolution, formulaic, black and white, increasingly religious/magical. it is crazy.
Good grief! The German police, and justiciary have time - and money - for that, but not for prosecuting 'difficult' things like screaming anti-semitic slogans at demos?
If their constitution is going to persecute them as such, perhaps they should actually instead of accidentally be supporting anti-constitutional organizations.
This is 🤡🌎, where they act like Nazis did and accuse others of being Nazis. Note: in US nazi salute accusations the accuser also do exactly the same series of gestures.
In the US before World War II, children were taught to use the very same salute while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It was later changed to placing the right hand over the heart.
As the admin of my local (private) Facebook group for our tiny town (pop 300), people are now demanding content moderation because somebody posted something vaguely political that others took exception to.
I am soooo tempted to post this article as an example of the slippery slope.
We have a church lady like that at the charity. Whenever someone donates books, she is there quick as taxes to assuage the worthiness of the titles.
Problem is she's going on 80, and was never in touch with popular culture or fiction, so she literally judges by the cover.
Two weeks back, someone had donated "50 shades of grey" and its sequals, hard-back volumes. Church lady (who is otherwise very nice) had never heard of them and deemed them "can't be worse than my Jackie Collins' novels".
Me and the neighbour of mine who handles the gifts-table which where books go, had to hold our breaths until Church-lady left the room.
Just wanted to lighten the mood a bit by sharing that.
Reminds me of the time some dude got cancelled in the US for using the word "niggardly".
I was recently chastised for using the word jigger when explaining how to make a cocktail. Soon anything with a G and an R will be grounds for outrage.
God forbid you call someone "brother". I was effectively kicked out of a nice bar for saying "thanks, brother" to the bartender.
I guess my genuine appreciation for the service and the 30% tip was not enough to dissuade him from making the imposition itself the point.
You know what I wanted to call him after that bullshit?.........exactly what he was hoping for deep down inside.
The game is to metaphorically "trap" you on the way "in", and on the way "out".
So I guess "thanks man" is forbidden now as hate speech for possible 'misgendering'.
Its that ridiculous
In the US I have a relative who went to great lengths to help a trans person with a work issue, and then when the trans person said, "thank you," he answered, "sure, man. Anytime." So the trans person went and reported him to HR for having called him "man"!! He got called in and he got a black mark in his employment record.
For heavenssakes, in the US "man" isn't necessarily literal. Many women say it to each other— "oh, man!" It's just an expression.
This was just an excuse to bully a person who didn't deserve it.
But I also think this particular trans person enjoyed playing the victim, and he enjoyed turning people against him so that he could play the victim. I suspect that's what was happening with your bartender as well.
Wow. Just wow.
True.
You can blame "Obeyme" for that. He was the Racist in Chief. He literally set back race relations by 50 years.
Had a friend a long time ago who would bring his beautiful lab "Digger" to the park all the time and occasionally be found yelling "Digger!!! Where are you!! Come here Digger!" to the amusement of all listeners. I'm guessing he would be in trouble for this regrettable name in today's climate. This was in the '80's natch.
He should have called his dog COVID like I did .When I called my dog back while walking in the park ,by calling COVID ,COVID ,come back ,the dog came back to me ,but everyone else got up and ran the other way .
Well…there was no such thing as Covid in 1985. So there’s that. AIDS was big back then but for obvious reasons a heterosexual red blooded American male would not be interested in naming his dog such a thing.
Irunthis ,last time I checked,they where still running . Sorry I did not check if my blood is really red ,because if I see blood I faint .
I suggest he simply rename his dog Excavator in the interests of Realpolitik.
Imagine trying to teach physics or electronics, and what happens when you say "Gigawatt"...
Just pronounce the "G" as a "hard G"
But was it a niggardly jigger? OMG I actually typed that. lol
Anyone who did that to me would go on my permanent shitlist. As in, don’t even fucking bother to acknowledge my existence.
Collective persecution. We need something similar against our enemies. Any suggestion that heritage is not paramount should be met with similar if not greater moral scrutiny. Any undue tolerance of non-Europeans in our lands should have one suspected of making underhanded deals to get ahead.
"Juggernaut" sounds particularly dangerous in this regard. I will try to use it often.
It’s already happened, some years ago, and was addressed by Stephen Pinker in a lengthy and scholarly rebuttal. ‘Snigger’ has also drawn attention, but not from intelligent people, only the trigger happy, (oh, shit..did I…)
To say nothing how the trouble you can start if you try talking about coon dogs with stupid people.
Years ago, the National Football League was considering hiring Condoleeza Rice (a big American football fan) as their new league commissioner. A sports radio commentator was excited at the prospect and wanted to praise the idea. He started his sentence with "that would be a real... for the NFL." Tragically for him, he couldn't decide in time whether to say "a real credit" or "a real boon," and it came out as "a real coon." He got fired the next day.
Bwa-ha-ha! I shouldn't laugh but I can't help myself.
First time Miles Davis and his band played in Sweden, the headline in the major evening paper at the time was:
"Miles Davis och hans käcka negerorkester". Or in English:
"Miles Davis and his gay Negro orchestra"
Imagine that today!
Imagine if you have the last name Coon. It's a Scottish name from the word "Cuna" which means "brave man" in Gaelic.
Here in Australia we had a brand of tasty cheddar cheese called Coon after the owner of the business. It had been acquired by Kraft. It was extremely popular for dozens of years.
When the Kraft brand was basically retired in Oz, the cheese name was officially changed from Coon to Cheer 🙄.
To this day most Aussies refuse to buy it.
There are still supplies https://shop.fruitologist.com.au/coon-tasty-natural-cheddar-cheese-250g
😂Can’t believe you can still get it!
Hehehehe, in my native area there's a village called Negerbyn. "Negro village".
It has nothing directly to do with actual Negros - I doubt anyone from there had seen a real live one except on TV until the 1990s, or if visiting the capital or attending some concert; Negros were that rare here then. The school I went to when we lived in the city (900 students ages 13-16) had two, both adoptees.
In olden days (1950s and earlier) that village was a stay-over place for charcoal-burners and tar-makers and given how those things were produced back then and that the men had zero amenities out in the forests, they were literally Negro-black when they came back after a few weeks of labour.
Acquaintance of mine always had trouble when he was in London. His first name? Odd.
"Hello, my name is Odd, what is yours?" is not as good a pick-up line as you'd imagine.
Death to the Jews is okay. Calling out Islamist terrorism is a hate crime.
Or the Chinese professor canceled for saying "nega".
We had one in England where the word welch was used meaning to renege on a bet. Of course the retards went nuts claiming a slur on the Welsh people.
that wasn't for saying nigger, but for having a vocabulary larger than most.
We can avoid a lot of trouble ,by painting our face black .
Time to re-write the lyrics to that ole' Rolling Stones tune then:
"I see a White face and I want to paint it Black..."
I was permanently banned from Facebook after a Black guy, I’d never had any FB contact with, never crossed paths with called me a White Supremacist, dirty Jew and a c*nt. Because I was posting on a real-time friend’s page who is black and I the only white person commenting on his page at the time. I replied to the lunatic with, “ You gleaned all that from my photo? What does that make you aside from a racist, misogynist , antisemite and an Imbecile? Im outta here”.
I’ve no idea where the “ dirty Jew” spew came from. Unless I tell someone I’m Jewish or knows that I am, nobody has ever made that determination by looking at me. Instead, they’re shocked to learn otherwise some of the reactions are so crazy that they’re hilarious. Apparently, being white is now equated with Judaism . Used to be the other way around
The following day when I attempted to log in, I was met with a notification that my page had been permanently removed after a FB user filed a complaint about my unprovoked racist attack targeting him. The guy who attacked me , without any provocation, using the most vile profanity and hate reported me!
I was banned for “ Violating FB Community Standards by spreading racism and hatred. “ Him? Rewarded.
15 years on FB, 5000”friends”, 872 friend request, thousands of followers at least 200 photos, saved phone numbers, messages,the names, faces - gone.
In those fifteen years, not a single complaint filed or violation. Until the lunatic filed the kill shot. A friend called a few days later to ask why “ I” removed my page. He was floored. Called back a few minutes later to tell me the guy had joined FB a few days prior to my page being removed , had 2 friends . One was his cousin, the other was my friend whose page I was on when he went full on batshit hate crazy. Can’t make it up. Happened during Obama’s Siege. The onset of cancel culture , Surveillance State. Thought and Speech Policing, the Censorship Industrial Complex , Prosecution and Imprisonment for “ Hate Speech” that isn’t and a free pass for the “ right type” of hate.
Yep, that actually happened. And it was in the same Washington DC city government that once refused service to a person from New Mexico because, that person said, he was not a US citizen.
Copy-paste from online dictionary:
Niggardly:
niggard | ˈniɡərd |
noun
a stingy or ungenerous person.
adjective literary
ungenerous; niggardly.
I haven't heard that word used in a coon's age.
More recently a Chinese person was condemned you saying Ne Ga, Ne GA, Ne GA several times. In Mandurian this phrase is used as a space filler and means literally that, that that.
true - but I always wondered if the person did that on purpose. Maybe just to prove how illiterate we have become and he made his point better than he expected.
“I suspect this prosecution arises from some kind of automatic flagging process triggered by an error in an electronic transcription.” The wonders of mass surveillance. I can feel how much safer and inclusive our venerable democracy is becoming 😍
Yup. The process is the punishment.
The whole idea is to make surveillance permanent in its effect, even if it's episodic in its action.
The end result is the "subject" becomes the principle of his own subjection.
QUOTE: The process is the punishment.
Exactly. More precisely, in the words of the Queen of Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, the principle is "SENTENCE FIRST - VERDICT AFTERWARDS."
The initial notice PRESUMES the recipient guilty, and SUMMARILY orders him to pay a fine. It is then up to the recipient to incur the trouble and expense of a criminal trial to displace that presumption. The trial is in effect an appeal from an initial ADMINISTRATIVE finding of guilt.
The trial initiated BY THE ACCUSED is in effect an appeal from the initial administrative finding of guilt, and effectively starts from a PRESUMPTION OF GUILT. It is only at the end of the trial that the accused would receive a JUDICIAL verdict of "guilty" or (if he is very lucky) "not guilty" of the offense, and in the former case a much heavier penalty.
Love it
Ain't AI wonderful?
Infinite "examination" = obligatory objectification
gotto consider it like memes - making you laugh.
Germany’s national suicide began when Stazi Mädchen Merkel realized that forming a new NASDAP was absolutely prohibited. What to do? Import a gang of foreigners with the same ideology and let them run rampant.
The Jews came back, protected by Uncle Sam, to ruin... I mean to run Germany in 1945, with a vengeance.
you only have to watch YouTube translations to understand. A far-Eastern monk has a qi-gong channel. He has a very heavy accent, and the tube translated Q-Gong meditation with Chicken meditation. I had to stop watching, no way I could meditate with the chickens.
"Hey hey, accept this digital ID program and we promise we'll send a few of the anti-semitic browns back."
🎯
Every time I think I live in a mad country which has completely lost the plot, you pop up with a story showing that Germany is even madder than Britain!
It's so depressing it's past being funny.
I still love the very funnyTom Sharpe novels from the 70/80ties (Wilt, Porterhouse a.s.o.) and for me it looks like Britain started down that road long before us...
This is an infuriating story. I know nothing of German law but does the population at large generally side with the dip-💩💩💩 in charge? I never imagined I’d envision Caesar Flickerman and Effie Trinket when reading about real people. Condolences.
This makes me think of long ago, in a chat room, where someone got knocked out because of writing the name of Arnold Schwarzenegger with a I. Host thought the person wrote the N word, which is a curse here in the US, even though I heard some black people say it themselves. So this is yet another 'racial' item made up by mostly white people.
At least we know where NOT to move to thanks to your posts.
Hehehe, you made me recall what a problem Swedish media at the time had when US Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf visited Stockholm.
"Schwarzkopf" is easily understandable by all Swedes, and is "svartskalle" in Swedish; a pejorative on par with "nigger" in American English.
lmao
But is he a jam doughnut, as while visiting Berlin JFK announced he be when he said, "Isch bin ein Berliner"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krapfen_(doughnut)
Austrians have strange names. A native German once told me that Arnold's last name means "black n*gger."
Hm. I'm not a native German speaker but I believe his name is a compund of Schwarzen for Black, and Egger for Spear/Prosperity (alt. forms are Ogier and Edgar).
So we can make "Blackspear" a reasonable translation.
But we'd need an actual German-speaking scholar of names to really get it right, of course.
Close but no cigar. To me as a native German speaker this denotes someone who lived in Schwarzenegg, roughly "Black corner". Probably a village in Tirol.
Aha! thank you. So "Egger" would be derived from Ecke then, I guess?
Hm, Black Corner - sounds like a place in the shade most of the time. Up here there's a village called Mörkret = The Darkness; it's on the North-East slope of a low mountain, so it's almost always in the shade.
Nearby is the village called "Andra sidan" = The Other Side...
Exactly. There are many many supremely uncreative place names here that just describe what was there when the first houses were built.
Funny thing, there's a place called "Kehrsiten" near Lucerne, that's also "the other side"...
On the map, I once found a small place (in Upper Austria, I think?) with the wonderful (to an English speaker) name of Rottenegg.
I assumed that "Egg" meant some specific kind of high rocky thing - the Austrians have lots of those; but thanks to you I see it's a form of "Ecke" for "corner".
Yet Schwarzkopf is the name of a major German company. Why hasn't the CEO been arrested already?
I’m learning Portuguese on Duolingo and Negro is the acceptable word for the colour black. I believe Spanish is the same? A Spanish goalkeeper at the football club I support was banned, shamed and sacked for using this word in relation to a player he wanted marked. If the player had been “blond”, “”tall”or “ginger” it wouldn’t have been a problem.
Nigger is also just the English version of Latin niger (black) from which the Niger river and country also come from. Negro is Spanish niger.
yes it is. And for all I know, most blacks don't bother about that, but N.igger is different, that is not the word for a colour, it is something that came from the slaves being called that, a cuss-like word I suppose.
I accept that. Our goalie used the word Negro though, so why should he have been castigated? It is literally the same as Black, which I assume was acceptable.
Negro was never a curse. In the USA was completely acceptable until the 70s. It fell out of use due to the preference for Black. But there was no big deal about it at all. Everyone knew it wasn’t a bad word. But perhaps now everyone has forgotten.
Let's not forget "Afro-American" which was followed by "African-American," the preferred term before they went back to Black (now with a capital B).
I'd say it's pretty similar for German "Neger". It was the regular word to refer to someone of dark skin. Of course you can find plenty of examples where the word was used in a racist context, but I can still see in the way old relatives use it that it was just as neutral as today's "Schwarzer" (black) is. I still learned it from older people and books and used it as a kid in the 90s. It was probably already unacceptable for many at that point but I didn't notice before the new millennium.
Today I'd never say "Neger" to refer to a black person because in my generation it has become entirely unacceptable. I won't correct older relatives for continuing to use it, maybe I would if I was them, and I think it's strangethat this word changed its meaning so much, but it is what it is and if I'd use it as a young(ish) white guy, it would 100% be understood as racism.
Just one thing really pisses me off though: only for the past few years I've been hearing people refer to "Never" as "das N-Wort". That's ridiculous. It's obviously an intent to copy American sensitivities and import them to our language. Frankly, I find it very odd that you guys have a word that you don't even dare to utter in quotes. It's a concept I only knew from reading Harry Potter (in German) when I was a kid, where no one says "Voldemort" out loud. But I'm not here to tell Americans how to speak English, and I accept that it's a sensitive issue in the US not unlike Nazi language is a sensitive issue in Germany. I rarely have a reason to pronounce "Neger" but when I do, I will surely not dance around it to cater to this imported nonsense. There's thousands of words that you shouldn't use, if we applied this to all of them, we'd soon run out of letters. I mean, "Nutte" (whore) is also a bad "N-Wort",...and what about "Nazi"? :)
The insanity over the word "nigger" in the US is at a slightly higher order though as certain people can and routinely do use the word, often loudly and proudly. I wonder whether there might be consequences for a black person in Germany who was to utter some verboten words.
It is truly unbelievable how crazy some people are. And since it was a Spanish goalkeeper, it should come as no surprise that he speaks Spanish!
All governments including the Bidenistas would love to do this.
I do not speak German. Although I have heard the phrase I do not know what “Seig heil” actually means beyond being some sort of salute or slogan.
Is the meaning so obnoxious that the use of those two words must always be avoided. Depending on what they mean is there an acceptable alternative.
the phrase means "hail victory." you can use either word by itself, but not in the fixed slogan distinctive of the NSDAP greeting.
that should keep you all free
Yes, although Heil in itself has strong Nazi connotations. You still see the verb heilen (to heal) and related words like Heilkunde, Heilung, Seelenheil...even "heil" as an adjective is used in some contexts as "undamaged". But if someone used it like the Nazis did in "Sieg Heil", it would always ring strong Nazi connotations
In English, you may think of "Hail Mary" for example, but in German Catholics don't pray "Heil Maria" (they say "gegrüßt seist du Maria" and I think the English phrasing sounds cooler). Using Heil that way may not be illegal in every combination, but people would at least think that you're making a Nazi comparison or an edgy joke or something.
Wow! You read my mind. I was just thinking if saying Hail Mary was forbidden. Safer to say it in Latin maybe (Ava Maria)?
Ave Victoria?
oh no, I put an 'a' at the end of the first word when it should be an 'e'! Am I up for a huge fine now??
German state to YouTube kid: "You did an incantation. You did a hex. You did a malediction. You did an imprecation. You did a sulfurous emanation. You did an infernal summoning. You did a no warding off of mal ojo. This makes it abundantly clear you did not understand the demoniacal nature of the multiplicity of your sins."
This is an essentially magical understanding of the nature of speech -- it doesn't matter if you *accidentally* spoke the accursed syllables out loud. you said the curse and now the community has to punish you lest the evil eye fall upon all of us
YOU'RE WELCOME
this is totally right, it's another element in the general degraded understanding of the entire Nazi legacy we see every day. low-resolution, formulaic, black and white, increasingly religious/magical. it is crazy.
Ironic in the extreme, considering the very real Ahnenerbe and Thule-Gesellschaft and the attendant esotericism, mysticism and so on.
Good grief! The German police, and justiciary have time - and money - for that, but not for prosecuting 'difficult' things like screaming anti-semitic slogans at demos?
Words fail me!
I wish Mr Heldt all the best.
Or finding out why so many young people are dropping dead, all of a sudden.
Well, in the spirit of all kinds of inquisitions, there is a crime he is guilty of:
Wasting the court's time.
Laugh? I almost did.
I don't think there is a "rock bottom". Regrettably, speech prosecution is a black hole. You are staring into the event horizon.
If their constitution is going to persecute them as such, perhaps they should actually instead of accidentally be supporting anti-constitutional organizations.
Yep.
Wunderbar...government strikes again.
my German is rusty, but I heard him say "We need to overthrow the Constitutional order. Down with Democracy! Long live Hitler!"
I mean if he succeeds, he probably won't have to pay the €16k.
TBF, they aren't leaving many other options than revolution.
🤣
This is 🤡🌎, where they act like Nazis did and accuse others of being Nazis. Note: in US nazi salute accusations the accuser also do exactly the same series of gestures.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/sen-booker-dragged-on-social-media-for-alleged-%E2%80%98nazi-salute%E2%80%99-to-california-dems/vi-AA1FSUd1?t=6
In the US before World War II, children were taught to use the very same salute while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It was later changed to placing the right hand over the heart.
I sent a link of this article to a British friend to make him feel better
lol
As the admin of my local (private) Facebook group for our tiny town (pop 300), people are now demanding content moderation because somebody posted something vaguely political that others took exception to.
I am soooo tempted to post this article as an example of the slippery slope.
definitely don't post this piece, the anti-politicals will come after you too!
We have a church lady like that at the charity. Whenever someone donates books, she is there quick as taxes to assuage the worthiness of the titles.
Problem is she's going on 80, and was never in touch with popular culture or fiction, so she literally judges by the cover.
Two weeks back, someone had donated "50 shades of grey" and its sequals, hard-back volumes. Church lady (who is otherwise very nice) had never heard of them and deemed them "can't be worse than my Jackie Collins' novels".
Me and the neighbour of mine who handles the gifts-table which where books go, had to hold our breaths until Church-lady left the room.
Just wanted to lighten the mood a bit by sharing that.
They’d probably be all for it. Censors love to censor. It becomes like a drug. They get literally high on the power.